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September 28, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-160
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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@ karlof1 Posted by: dfg | Sep 28 2022 19:25 utc | 101 But what is Russia going to do about it besides complain to the corrupt UN which won’t do anything? Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 28 2022 19:32 utc | 102 Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 18:29 utc | 84 Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 28 2022 19:43 utc | 103 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 18:48 utc | 92 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 19:45 utc | 104 Dima from Military Summary says that it is strange that Russia is not using land mines. Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:52 utc | 105 Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 28 2022 19:32 utc | 102 Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:53 utc | 106 From Crimea to Zaporizhzhia, now in the middle of the Baltic Sea, the pattern played out in the course of increasingly desperate and self-destructive provocations is for Natostan perpetrators to blame everything on Russia — albeit with brain-bending implausibility. But why, really? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 28 2022 19:55 utc | 107 Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:53 utc | 106 Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 28 2022 20:03 utc | 108 @ marko | Sep 28 2022 19:52 utc | 105 Posted by: Mummer | Sep 28 2022 20:08 utc | 109 I can see why they did it — punish Germany and EU generally for considering, as they are, independence from Biden gang lockstep — but only a degenerate female would be so stupid as to pull a stunt like this, blow gas lines. My immediate thought went to Truss, later to Nuland. Power and Monaco also would be in there, and some female(s) at CIA and the think tanks left and right (doesn’t matter which, they’re all the same). No doubt men executed — I’m going with SAS, Royal Navy, and Poles — but the decision to execute, and the target to maul, is typical of degenerate females winging it more or less on their own. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 28 2022 20:13 utc | 110 Posted by: Lysias | Sep 28 2022 19:13 utc | 99 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 20:18 utc | 111 marko @ 105
I’ll hazard a guess, Russians have their hands full removing the wall to wall Ukrainian ones, they need their sappers removing those? The Russians employing modern maneuver warfare plan on advancing and not getting stuck removing their own mines? Mines are a pain in the ass all around and a sign of desperation, you use them when you’re in the shit, and under-maned or retreating, so maybe it’s a good sign they aren’t using them, maybe it’s not all as dire as Dima and some Telegram channels are saying? I’m pretty doom and gloom but these angels sitting on the head of a pin speculations are silly. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 20:28 utc | 112 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 20:18 utc | 111 Posted by: Macpott | Sep 28 2022 20:31 utc | 113 GreyRaven @95– All I see is Russia methodically focusing on the task at hand, uniting the newly ceeded territories of Ukraine with Russia Federation. The sabotage of the pipeline would be dealt with in good time, the Russian way. Time will tell who the biggest loser in this reckless act is. No I don’t think we are closer to open war between NATO and Russia over of this. Posted by: Steve | Sep 28 2022 20:52 utc | 115 Everybody relax. Russia blew up the pipeline. The problem is, we can’t figure out why. Either because Putin wants to prove he’s crazy, or because Russia wants to deescalate the war, by escalating the war, by making it look like the US blew up the pipe. Either one of these two options. Perfectly clear. Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 20:57 utc | 116 Kellen Cramer & dfg– Kellen Cramer and Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:06 utc | 118 Bismarck @ 33
For sure no US quisling would dare go rogue, an iron fist would come down on them be it even right hand man UK, but elements in the US deep state could, forcing the Biden administration into a position of all out war with no ability to wind things down. This is what happened to Kennedy in the Cuban Missle Crisis, his fear wasn’t Khrushchev it was the hawks in the defense department trying to undermine him and drive him into a corner. Kennedy got around it through back channels and saved all our asses. Even is Biden wasn’t demented he’s no Kennedy. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 21:08 utc | 119 The difference is that JFK had not yet lost his brains, while Biden has already. Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:10 utc | 120 Please review the following BBC News article. I have taken screenshots of the headline and of the body of the article which contradicts it. Posted by: Andrew Carter | Sep 28 2022 21:18 utc | 121 WJ @ 118
A scared populace is a controlled populace. Let’s hope that’s all there is to it. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 21:19 utc | 122 Gepostet von: WJ | 28. September 2022 21:06 UTC | 118 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 28 2022 21:20 utc | 123 If Russia has 100% realized the west is trying to destroy it why would they ever sell them fuel again? Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:32 utc | 124 Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:32 utc | 124 Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:39 utc | 125 This is the best video analysis I have seen. Jackson Hinkle is good. Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:50 utc | 126 If Germany decides to relocate its industrial base, Russia is a more reliable partner than the neocons in the US, and could also be closer to Germany by sea depending on the seaport. Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:57 utc | 127 @WJ Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:59 utc | 128 The side story to all of this is Germany’s nefarious and clandestine role in the world post WWII. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 28 2022 22:01 utc | 130 If so there would be images and radar or sonar traces. You can’t hide much in the Baltic. Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 28 2022 22:02 utc | 131 Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 28 2022 22:02 utc | 131 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 28 2022 22:08 utc | 132 Just saw a picture in telegram, where something like 10-12 Himars were packed into an old looking cargo or ferry ship of some sort. They are bringing Himars to Odessa harbor or Polish harbors? Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2022 22:09 utc | 133 “how can Europe be so subservient?” Posted by: John | Sep 28 2022 22:11 utc | 134 Ngl lads, I’ve had a sick feeling in my stomach since America bombed Europe’s pipelines. Posted by: ZX | Sep 28 2022 22:14 utc | 135 John @ 134
Lots to it, certainly there is more to be gained, money, renown, power, in the empire than the provincial homeland, but remember all these EU and many other world leaders, political, financial, cultural were all educated from their most formative years up to university in the USA or UK. The Roman Empire used to do exactly that, in fact all empires, take the children of provincial rulers back to Rome ostensibly as hostages but foremost to be raised and educated in “superior” and “sophisticated” Roman ways before being sent back home to rule. The most thorough form of brain washing. Worked almost 100% percent, there were a few outliers who kept their heads straight and tried to lead their people to rebellion, but Rome lasted a long, long time that way. Nothing new under the sun. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 22:43 utc | 136 114 Cont’d– Despite official pronouncements, US and NATO leadership probably know their war is doomed. Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 28 2022 23:10 utc | 138 WJ @118– DocHollywood @138– All this talk about the pipelines, anyone got any info on Lyman? It seems that city is about to fall the the AFU. Posted by: Awake | Sep 28 2022 23:40 utc | 141 @ karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:23 utc | 140 Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 28 2022 23:42 utc | 142 The majority still clinging to shreds of sanity and attempts at rationality need to get up the curve, these are psychopathic ideologues of the highest order operating with absolute impunity and immunity from any “oh but millions will starve/die if we do that” guilt. The worst possible disgusting billionaire human filth who gleefully kill as many people as possible for profit. 18 months into Obama’s third term, they finished squeezing every possible dime out of the mandatory poison injections scam, now rapidly escalating their WWIII scam, their crowning achievement will be The War On The Weather scam, which of course this plays straight in to. You can’t Build Back Better unless you completely destroy the place first, and these are people who stand right up on stage and declare that we must get the world population down to 1 billion. The Samson Option indeed, especially with the midterms approaching fast and the uppity plebes saying No they don’t want their 8 year old taught to hate their country and to love anal sex in school. It’s all of a piece, disgusting sociopathic elite human filth versus Humanity Posted by: AusYank | Sep 28 2022 23:57 utc | 144 The USA is more heavily occupied by you know who than the Palestinian West Bank: the White House, the Congress, the Intelligence agencies, the Fbi, the Media, the Education System, Big Pharma, etc., etc. The list above is only partial, you can add to it all the private banks, the fed, all the big hedge funds, and most of the US corporations. When you lose the power of creating your currency, let alone the world´s reserve unit for trade, you become a nation living in slavelandia. Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 28 2022 23:58 utc | 145 Every time in the last two hundred years, after Napoleon´s defeat, the Jewish banksters planned wars & desired revolutions script-performed. The next will not be an exception. Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 29 2022 0:07 utc | 146 DocHollywood @142– It was Dirk Pitt from NUMA. Clive Cussler, for those of you that like formulaic CIA dreck. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 29 2022 0:23 utc | 148 The astonishing, mind-boggling, attitude of the Western governments can be understood, IMHO, as follows: The “chosen brotherhood” money printers, be they private banks or central banksters, want to preserve the US$, the primary tool of power they exert on the West. By cutting off all links between Europe and Russia they successfully achieved two strategic goals: Firstly, if you want to run away from the US Dollar you have nowhere to head, Europe being destroyed, and Great Britain converted into a sort of Atlantic North Corea. Secondly, you preserve the exchange value of the US counterfeit fiat currency, the means by which the USA wants to live and consume at the expense of the rest of the productive humanity, uttering these parasitic words: “you produce we consume by trading only with our home-made means of exchange”. Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 29 2022 0:34 utc | 149 @121 “European Commission head Ursula von der Leyen has promised the “strongest possible response” if the attack is proven to have been deliberate.” Posted by: dh | Sep 29 2022 0:35 utc | 150 “I’ve argued that self-interest alone is enough to deter nuclear war as what does one do with one’s riches in a devastated world?” Posted by: WJ | Sep 29 2022 0:35 utc | 151 karlof1@137. i just finished your latest VK post. thank you for it. i read it right after reading pepe’s latest on presstv & found the two compliment each other very well; pepe provides the plot & you bring the theme, undercurrent & third element. certainly we have reached a point where the drunk in the room is desperate & may well do the unthinkable, i believe putin/lavrov/patrushev & shoigu have researched the various ramifications of this, all of it, from the day putin took the reins from yeltsin (& well before with primakov) & the goal is take our tender world & return her to sanity, peace & goodwill & prosperity for all. team russia will not do anything that endangers that end. if now mother has determined force is necessary, then i believe it can only be. thank you again for all you do to keep us informed & on point. Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 29 2022 0:40 utc | 152 I see two options about the blown pipelines: Russia did it, or the US/NATO did it. Posted by: Boomheist | Sep 29 2022 0:41 utc | 153 Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:50 utc | 126 Posted by: snake | Sep 29 2022 0:58 utc | 154 snake | Sep 29 2022 0:58 utc | 154 Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 1:21 utc | 155 #140 @ karlof1 “: All nukes have fingerprints that can’t be erased, and more than enough nations now have the capability of discovering who that fingerprint belongs to, many being in RoW” Posted by: Billb | Sep 29 2022 1:53 utc | 157 WJ@116 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:01 utc | 158 Andrew Carter@121 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:05 utc | 159 Kellen Cramer #104
It certainly looks that way. Expect Kaliningrad to be the next provocation. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 29 2022 2:18 utc | 160 LYFH@136 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:19 utc | 161 as you point out, they combine the most incompetent land army on the planet and the most amazing frogmen in any navy in the world. Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 29 2022 2:31 utc | 162 How long before Russia attacks the British/ Norway pipeline. Two can play at the same game. Posted by: Gerard | Sep 29 2022 2:42 utc | 163 @ UncleTom; Perhaps the country (the Soviet Union) that defeated Nazi Germany,… Posted by: JK | Sep 29 2022 2:50 utc | 165 @Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 20:28 utc | 112 Germany going broke will be unable to subsidize Poland’s desire to be a major threat to Russia, Germany being the EU’s leading donor and Poland being the leading donee. Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2022 3:12 utc | 167 Aleph Null @107 my heart breaks with the truth of your post. Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 29 2022 3:14 utc | 168 The story line now is that Russia is threatening more aggression because it (personalized to Putin, as usual with US enemies) is desperate .
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2022 3:28 utc | 169 Karlof1 Posted by: Lauren Michele | Sep 29 2022 3:31 utc | 170 Interesting posts here. There has been a lot of bar chatter here about the USA committing a false flag to push a nuclear incident to blame on Russia. Well this pipeline atrocity committed by them is that flag. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 29 2022 3:46 utc | 171 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 29 2022 3:50 utc | 172
Amazing that electric trains are still delivering military equipment in Ukraine. The USA military must be shaking their heads. Posted by: Simon | Sep 29 2022 3:51 utc | 173 BarryW. | Sep 29 2022 1:50 utc | 156
Interested to have another source. Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 4:03 utc | 174 non regular posters taking shit… who whudda thunk it? ignore them.. Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 4:20 utc | 175 Lauren Michele @170– Don Bacon @167– Don Bacon@169 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 4:52 utc | 180 Uncle Tungsten@172 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 4:57 utc | 181 @ james | Sep 29 2022 4:20 utc | 175 Posted by: dfg | Sep 29 2022 5:04 utc | 182 If Germany decides to relocate its industrial base, Russia is a more reliable partner than the neocons in the US Posted by: Passerby | Sep 29 2022 5:41 utc | 183 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 4:03 utc | 174
Like I suggested before, you need to work on your reading comprehension. It’s an expletive. You literally don’t need to know what it means. Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 29 2022 5:46 utc | 184 Somehow I missed this back March 2nd : Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 6:05 utc | 185 @171 Jo Dominich Posted by: grits | Sep 29 2022 6:11 utc | 186 @181 aristodemos Posted by: tunabe | Sep 29 2022 6:14 utc | 187 For the German govt to admit this actually happened—that the United States attacked German civilian infrastructure—would put them in an impossible situation with respect to their own people. It would be to admit they are not actually in an “alliance” with the US, but a vassal state. This is a well known reality at the highest levels of government, but it would not be acceptable to the German people. Worse, it would be to admit that the power they have been actively serving, and whose geostrategic aims they have been promoting, is one that has no regard for Germany’s national interest and is in fact actively undermining it. This would make the German government look like incompetent weaklings and cowards at best. More to the point, it would make them look like traitors. Posted by: GuardYourHumanity | Sep 29 2022 6:29 utc | 188 Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:57 utc | 127 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 29 2022 6:30 utc | 189 Plus, as Hudson explained again to Nader, the 10%’s wealth is the 90%’s debt; so, if the 90% are dust, the 10% have no wealth. And thanks for the positive review. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 29 2022 6:38 utc | 190 There was real hunger there, 1948-1953, around. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 29 2022 6:56 utc | 191 … Even is Biden wasn’t demented he’s no Kennedy. Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 7:01 utc | 192 Can somebody please refresh me, what the hell happened ? Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 7:03 utc | 193 … Its not Asif we Brits don’t have enough problems of our own closer to home Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 7:04 utc | 194 @SeanAU – thank you. That was my reaction too, but I wanted to be sure. I didn’t remember this at all. Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 7:15 utc | 195 Can somebody please refresh me, what the hell happened ? Posted by: DaVinci | Sep 29 2022 7:29 utc | 196 We are in a world where the more educated a person is, the more likely he/she will be brainwashed by the media. Posted by: Man | Sep 29 2022 7:52 utc | 197 I did think that the EU were vassals of the US. Now I think the US is a vassal too. It’s not the country anyone knew. It was bad but not this bad. Americans have lost America too. The government and the elections are shams run by inhuman people who grovel before someone. Who? Posted by: Jimmy Flies By | Sep 29 2022 7:54 utc | 198 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:15 utc | 139 Posted by: OhOh | Sep 29 2022 7:59 utc | 199 @ Paul Greenwood | Sep 28 2022 14:19 utc | 19 Posted by: Ted | Sep 29 2022 8:08 utc | 200 |
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