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September 28, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-160

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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@ karlof1
Russia is likely preparing for anything. But, IMO it should avoid the escalation bait. As has been said before on this blog many times, it’s better to give space for Natostan to implode within its own footprint — that it’s doing. Time remains on the side of the RoW.
Let Team McStain-Nuland-Blinken make ever more ridiculous, embarrassing moves that humiliate their junior ass-ociates for following their lead.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 28 2022 19:25 utc | 101

But what is Russia going to do about it besides complain to the corrupt UN which won’t do anything?
Russia has mostly been weak with its responses and fighting after the first weeks of the SMO. Russia is not sending the Donbass militias the weapons and gear they need. Instead private organizations raise money to send quadcopters, medicine, and clothes to the militias and Russian soldiers. The Russian government is being to slack and slow at helping and reinforcing the Russian and allied forces in the Ukraine. This laxity has allowed Ukraine, backed with NATO weapons, to kill civilians in the Donbass everyday and even attack border regions of Russia.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 28 2022 19:32 utc | 102

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 18:29 utc | 84
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 28 2022 19:32 utc | 102
It sounds like you seem very concerned about “looking weak”.
Maybe you are projecting your own psychological problems onto Russia?
A consultation with a shrink would perhaps be indicated?

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 28 2022 19:43 utc | 103

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 18:48 utc | 92
“Not that it matters, but public opinion here in Outlaw US Empire would be very decisively against war with Russia.”
I think public opinion on the matter of war currently would be negative, but once the MIC starts a war the people always jump on board. They have been heavily propagandized over the years against Russia, so there will be no resistance. And they have been so beaten down by the govt. through cancellation, surveillance, searches and arrest that they’re very afraid and will not stand up against anything the government does. Has there been even one demonstration against this war? No. I think Tucker Carlson is one of a handful of public figures/media to criticize the intervention and the money wasted.
This is all shaping up to take place the way it was planned, with the final act being played out 5 weeks before the election. All along it was clear that Biden was wagging the dog.These people will do anything to win this election and maintain power. and with everything else in the dumper war is the only option left to them to achieve that result. I expect an all-out military intervention sometime very soon, probably aimed at driving the Russians out of Ukraine. The US has been using all its resources and the intelligence it has gathered since February to plan this war, and now is the time for the implementation phase. It has had a lot of time to size up Russia’s capabilities, its strengths and its weaknesses.
A while ago Biden told soldiers stationed in Poland “you will be there.” That wasn’t a gaffe, it was the truth.

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 19:45 utc | 104

Dima from Military Summary says that it is strange that Russia is not using land mines.
Can anybody elaborate on that?

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:52 utc | 105

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 28 2022 19:32 utc | 102
It sounds like you seem very concerned about “looking weak”.
Maybe you are projecting your own psychological problems onto Russia?
A consultation with a shrink would perhaps be indicated?
I think it very important not to look weak in order to scare the enemies.

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:53 utc | 106

From Crimea to Zaporizhzhia, now in the middle of the Baltic Sea, the pattern played out in the course of increasingly desperate and self-destructive provocations is for Natostan perpetrators to blame everything on Russia — albeit with brain-bending implausibility. But why, really?
It’s difficult for me to imagine anyone taken in by such crap, but then again, US Americans really are a wonderfully oblivious polity, I’ve come to see. Profoundly, such meaningless, totally unconvincing deception is telling of our cultural consistency. Awesome media energy is poured into manufacturing consent for world war three, as if consent were a significant requirement. As if this were a democracy, where it matters what people think.
We know our consent has not been and will not be requested, while hysterically continuing with prior pretenses. We are too morally crushed, utterly defeated and exhausted, to raise much of a fuss about unsheathing the nukes, now.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 28 2022 19:55 utc | 107

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 19:53 utc | 106
Perhaps the country that defeated Nazi Germany, and before that Napoleon’s great army, which has many generals and strategists, the second military power in the world, has its own way of doing politics and war other than that of playground confrontations and cockfighting?
And most certainly not yours ?

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 28 2022 20:03 utc | 108

@ marko | Sep 28 2022 19:52 utc | 105
Landmines are best used for a ‘Deliberate Defense’. … They are not so much used for ‘Mobile Defenses’ or for forces that continually transition from offense to defense and then to offense again. … Why? Because the landmines that one lays down must be breached (very manpower and time intensive). Moreover, forces who do not have the minefield recording will end up trampling over their own mines. If they do have the minefield recording, then they have to restrict their maneuver to go around them.
Apparently, Russian Allied Forces do not contemplate going into a Deliberate Defense, and expect to transition to the Offense.

Posted by: Mummer | Sep 28 2022 20:08 utc | 109

I can see why they did it — punish Germany and EU generally for considering, as they are, independence from Biden gang lockstep — but only a degenerate female would be so stupid as to pull a stunt like this, blow gas lines. My immediate thought went to Truss, later to Nuland. Power and Monaco also would be in there, and some female(s) at CIA and the think tanks left and right (doesn’t matter which, they’re all the same). No doubt men executed — I’m going with SAS, Royal Navy, and Poles — but the decision to execute, and the target to maul, is typical of degenerate females winging it more or less on their own.
It’s common for commenters to refer to the US doing this, the US doing that. I have done that, contrite to say. But that locution is really inaccurate. Biden gang, or more broadly State/CIA, and more specifically Nuland-Power-someone(s) at CIA and think tanks, are doing this and doing that. These actors are not “the US.”
These decision makers and centers think they represent America, are America, but they do not and are not. The salient feature of the Biden/D.C. gang, other than their illegitimacy, is that they have no center. They are a collection of independent operators, each with a huge budget — CIA’s is limitless and beyond scrutiny — coordinated only loosely by the back-chatter of D.C. cocktail parties. Again, Biden/D.C. gang do not represent The USA. But they are a gang, self-organizing and criminal too.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 28 2022 20:13 utc | 110

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 28 2022 19:13 utc | 99
“I don’t think a declaration of war would pass either House of Congress. So they would have to bring about a situation where they could claim the U.S. has been attacked.”
Under the War Powers Act, while on the one hand requiring a declaration of war, also provides for 60 days of intervention for an attack on the US or its territories or “its armed forces.” After the 60 days, a statutory authorization” (an AUMF) is required. But there is that 60 days where the president has a broad authority. Biden won’t declare war on Russia — that’s far too broad. He’ll limit his action to Ukraine. He’ll come up with some kind of excuse, like WMD in Iraq, or an invitation from Ukraine to come in. And the truth is the entire Congress — Dem and Republican — is already behind him.

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 20:18 utc | 111

marko @ 105

Dima from Military Summary says that it is strange that Russia is not using land mines. Can anybody elaborate on that?

I’ll hazard a guess, Russians have their hands full removing the wall to wall Ukrainian ones, they need their sappers removing those? The Russians employing modern maneuver warfare plan on advancing and not getting stuck removing their own mines? Mines are a pain in the ass all around and a sign of desperation, you use them when you’re in the shit, and under-maned or retreating, so maybe it’s a good sign they aren’t using them, maybe it’s not all as dire as Dima and some Telegram channels are saying? I’m pretty doom and gloom but these angels sitting on the head of a pin speculations are silly.
BTW how does Dima know that Russia isn’t using mines, all the info, here, there, everywhere just cycles around and around from one telegram channel to an other, to a handful of forums and a couple commentators on Youtube and then back around again, most driven by monetization and clickbait. Not that there isn’t intelligent speculation out there but it’s just that, speculation, bunch of people sitting in a room sniffing their own farts, me included. Welcome to the internet era, maybe sitting in a theater in 1942 watching newsreels was saner.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 20:28 utc | 112

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 28 2022 20:18 utc | 111
funny how the escalating side calls the patient one weak ,)

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 28 2022 20:31 utc | 113

GreyRaven @95–
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, it appears too few understand what you illustrated, given the great paucity of comments since I tried to inform people the day of the speech and everyday during the past week since its delivery. I even posed this issue in a direct comment addressed to Andrei the Saker on his recent open thread, but it was never posted despite my others on that thread. IMO, there appears to be a demand for a more explicit explanation of what the two vows–Yes, Biden made one also back in February–entail. So, I’ll write then publish it at my VK page.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 20:39 utc | 114

All I see is Russia methodically focusing on the task at hand, uniting the newly ceeded territories of Ukraine with Russia Federation. The sabotage of the pipeline would be dealt with in good time, the Russian way. Time will tell who the biggest loser in this reckless act is. No I don’t think we are closer to open war between NATO and Russia over of this.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 28 2022 20:52 utc | 115

Everybody relax. Russia blew up the pipeline. The problem is, we can’t figure out why. Either because Putin wants to prove he’s crazy, or because Russia wants to deescalate the war, by escalating the war, by making it look like the US blew up the pipe. Either one of these two options. Perfectly clear.
“US officials and European allies say attack on Nordstream 2 appears to be “sabotage,” evidence suggests “state actor.” “Likely culprit: Russia”
Question is why?
One official:
— “Did Putin order to prove Mad Man theory, to make his nuclear threat more plausible?””
“Regarding Nordstream 2 explosions: Western allied official tells me:
— “If they (Russia) intend to escalate more directly with the EU/NATO, they will claim US guilty of sabotage and ‘retaliate.’
The only logic I see (for Putin) is related to escalation dynamics.”

Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 20:57 utc | 116

Kellen Cramer & dfg–
Thanks for your replies. Given Congressional sentiment, it would pass a Declaration of War against Russia now, but it would also have to pass legislation enabling the Draft to resume for the Empire’s military lacks the bodies for such a conflict. The Empire also lacks the industrial might to defeat those it would oppose as well as critical natural resources. IMO, direct hot war with the Outlaw US Empire isn’t what Putin had in mind, but the terrorist attack has changed Putin’s equation, and by Putin I mean his entire advisory staff and Duma supporters.
I don’t know what the back-channel talk between Patrushev and Sullivan might have involved, nor do I want to speculate. Perhaps we’ll get a hint in a few days.
IMO, something will occur outside the Ukraine theatre, likely in Syria where Russia will cease the Empire’s oil theft activities and perhaps push its garrisons out of Syrian territory, mostly by using the SAA. I must admit, however, that’s wishful thinking by me.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 20:57 utc | 117

Kellen Cramer and
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 20:57 utc | 117
It took the US several months to mobilize, orchestrate, and plan for the invasion of Iraq. There is no way in hell the US is prepared for an actual war with Russia.
Even if you think the US combined with NATO forces could constitute an offensive sufficient to push Russia out of Ukraine, this would take MONTHS to prepare by my understanding of military logistics.
Even flying air sorties is out of the question on account of Russia’s air defenses.
The only thing the US can do is fire some missiles in Russia’s direction, engage in provocations, and go nuclear.
I suspect that some elements in the US strongly desire to stage a nuclear provocation, to make it look as though Russia has used a nuclear bomb. (The US need not even use a nuclear bomb to do this. They need only cause a big enough explosion.)
What I don’t understand is WHY the US would want to do this? I am assuming they do not want to start a nuclear war.
Perhaps they want to force Africa, India, the Middle East, and China to get on the sanctions train. But the problem is that these countries, unlike Europe and Canada, are not simply going to believe what the US tells them.
So it’s unclear what a staged nuclear provocation is meant to achieve. And yet all the signals from the West suggest that a staged nuclear provocation is being contemplated.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:06 utc | 118

Bismarck @ 33

Rest assured that no actor outside the US will have done this act without the blessing of some high ups at DC or Langley.

For sure no US quisling would dare go rogue, an iron fist would come down on them be it even right hand man UK, but elements in the US deep state could, forcing the Biden administration into a position of all out war with no ability to wind things down. This is what happened to Kennedy in the Cuban Missle Crisis, his fear wasn’t Khrushchev it was the hawks in the defense department trying to undermine him and drive him into a corner. Kennedy got around it through back channels and saved all our asses. Even is Biden wasn’t demented he’s no Kennedy.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 21:08 utc | 119

The difference is that JFK had not yet lost his brains, while Biden has already.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:10 utc | 120

Please review the following BBC News article. I have taken screenshots of the headline and of the body of the article which contradicts it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63065943
I really don’t care what happened to Nordstream or who did it, but it sickens me to see the BBC instinctively trying to spin every story into an anti-Russian or anti-Chinese diatribe. Its not Asif we Brits don’t have enough problems of our own closer to home

Posted by: Andrew Carter | Sep 28 2022 21:18 utc | 121

WJ @ 118

So it’s unclear what a staged nuclear provocation is meant to achieve. And yet all the signals from the West suggest that a staged nuclear provocation is being contemplated

A scared populace is a controlled populace. Let’s hope that’s all there is to it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 21:19 utc | 122

Gepostet von: WJ | 28. September 2022 21:06 UTC | 118
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Why USA = Biden needs this?
Now forget the elections…Biden needs success or at least justification for the many billions.
He didn’t win and that’s what everyone says…
If he isn’t just Tahnlos, then 99% of the time he will face a no-confidence procedure!
Biden is in the process of pumping the last of the state’s oil reserves into the market to save the election….
For Biden, it’s about existence! For the sheer survival of his party and with it power!
That’s why he takes every risk… It’s all or nothing!
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It is possible that Syria is now lost for him, which increases the oil shortage for him and thus would also be his end…. only Russia must not appear openly there, otherwise Biden would have his enemy image and excuse…
Ergo not easy for Putin!
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Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 28 2022 21:20 utc | 123

If Russia has 100% realized the west is trying to destroy it why would they ever sell them fuel again?
If Russia shuts of the gas and the west freezes and starves they will have humdreds of millions of people that can and may turn on them and blame them.
Today everyone is suspect it was the US, this created a fall guy and distrust amoung EU members. It also sends the message to the USA that sanctions will not be used as a carrot for peace negotiating.
Saying the Russians have nothing to gain from this or that they would never do it is a mistake. I am not saying they did, I am just pointing out why they would.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:32 utc | 124

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:32 utc | 124
Easy. Russia realizes that the EU is not currently sovereign, and that sanctioning Russian gas is not in the EU’s interest. The EU is acting as it is only because of NATO–that is, only because the US effectively controls it politically. The pipeline represented the possibility of giving Germany an “out”–of wrenching itself free from US control. That would have been disastrous for the US for several reasons. Germany opening Nordstream 2 would have been a huge victory for RUssia, economically and symbolically. So naturally that can’t be allowed to happen.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 21:39 utc | 125

This is the best video analysis I have seen. Jackson Hinkle is good.
EVIDENCE: US Guilty Of Nord Stream EXPLOSIONS jackson hinkle
extend the war
CIA warms Germany of pipeline sabotage max blumenthal tweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPOd267RGVo

Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:50 utc | 126

If Germany decides to relocate its industrial base, Russia is a more reliable partner than the neocons in the US, and could also be closer to Germany by sea depending on the seaport.

Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:57 utc | 127

@WJ
This has moved into the actual survival of Russia and perhaps next week we se WW3,
Russia is sending in more troops than Ukraine can handle, it is time for the west to shit or get off the pot.
I understand why the US would do this and chances are they did, buuut I can also see why Russia may also want to send the message that bluffing or begging for western money are not going to be involved in any steps going forward.
The US “If you want that pipeline open you better do what we say”
Russia “that pipeline? look what the US just did to the EU”…

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 28 2022 21:59 utc | 128

The Germans must mobilize either way.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 28 2022 21:59 utc | 129

The side story to all of this is Germany’s nefarious and clandestine role in the world post WWII.
From Skorzeny’s adventures across the Middle East and his curious relationship with Mossad, Germany’s close relationship with Iraq, Rickter in Argentina, Bariloche, Strassmeir‘s involvement in the Oklohoma bombing, the curious role of Germany is 9/11, the fact that Germany actually produces nuclear warheads for France, it’s role is in Israel and South Africa’s nuclear program, rocket program in Zaire (and Musk’s lookalike)…etc. All cloak and daggers.
I wonder if Germany is playing the game of ‘let’s you and him fight’ while they sit there as an innocent maiden.
Sure the economy is temporarily hindered but after the rubble of a global conflict, who will be left standing?

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 28 2022 22:01 utc | 130

If so there would be images and radar or sonar traces. You can’t hide much in the Baltic.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 28 2022 22:02 utc | 131

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 28 2022 22:02 utc | 131
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In any case, it is clear that NATO headquarters in Brussels should know just as much who is responsible as the Russians. All monitoring data from all neighboring NATO countries converge in Brussels, and that of all places in the Baltic Sea, where presumably NO herring lay eggs without being monitored and no one has data that would clarify this attack, is extremely unlikely.
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From this arises another question. Because information that is available, possibly multiple times, can only be kept secret if the owners of this information cooperate. In other words, NATO’s surveillance data is only under control as long as the political approval of those involved is assured. Or, to put it a little more bluntly, undertaking such an act of sabotage against the will of the federal government and keeping it secret borders on the impossible ‼
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The Bundeswehr should also have some microphones hanging in the Baltic Sea

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 28 2022 22:08 utc | 132

Just saw a picture in telegram, where something like 10-12 Himars were packed into an old looking cargo or ferry ship of some sort. They are bringing Himars to Odessa harbor or Polish harbors?

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2022 22:09 utc | 133

“how can Europe be so subservient?”
they get well paid, they don’t do it out of subservience

Posted by: John | Sep 28 2022 22:11 utc | 134

Ngl lads, I’ve had a sick feeling in my stomach since America bombed Europe’s pipelines.
Kind of a watershed moment, I fear. This is when the new iron curtain came down over the European continent.
Seems like the ground action in Ukraine – while very important – pales in comparison with the broader global cold war.
I’m also starting to get pretty tired of being taxed to support ungrateful Ukrainian politicians and their incessant demands and constant lying. At this point I hope Russia conquers the entire country and erases it from the map so I don’t have to see any more of their Ukrobullshit again.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 28 2022 22:14 utc | 135

John @ 134

“how can Europe be so subservient?”
they get well paid, they don’t do it out of subservience

Lots to it, certainly there is more to be gained, money, renown, power, in the empire than the provincial homeland, but remember all these EU and many other world leaders, political, financial, cultural were all educated from their most formative years up to university in the USA or UK. The Roman Empire used to do exactly that, in fact all empires, take the children of provincial rulers back to Rome ostensibly as hostages but foremost to be raised and educated in “superior” and “sophisticated” Roman ways before being sent back home to rule. The most thorough form of brain washing. Worked almost 100% percent, there were a few outliers who kept their heads straight and tried to lead their people to rebellion, but Rome lasted a long, long time that way. Nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 22:43 utc | 136

114 Cont’d–
As promised, here’s my article, “A Tale of Two Vows: Biden’s & Putin’s”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 22:52 utc | 137

Despite official pronouncements, US and NATO leadership probably know their war is doomed.
The recent talk about nuclear escalation is frightening. The full translated transcripts of Putin’s recent speeches reveal he didn’t threaten to escalate to nuclear war; he was restating long-standing Russian doctrine that a nuclear strike would be met with nuclear retaliation. The Western governments and press seem to be distorting his words. It is the US and Europeans that are escalating the nuclear rhetoric. With little prospect of winning the conventional war in Ukraine, I believe they may be getting desperate. I fear the US may be preparing a nuclear strike somewhere in Ukraine or elsewhere in Europe to be blamed on Russia.
I hope I’m wrong. But when I see and hear Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, and their EU partners and then read the Western press going along with them, my hope fades to despair.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 28 2022 23:10 utc | 138

WJ @118–
So it’s unclear what a staged nuclear provocation is meant to achieve. And yet all the signals from the West suggest that a staged nuclear provocation is being contemplated.
Russia has the high moral ground and RoW knows that point very well. If you want more, please read Lavrov’s four UNGA performances at my VK or the MFA’s website–the transcripts are all in English now. The use of WMDs is clearly a Neocon mojo first used on Iran and then elsewhere to limited effect. The thinking seems to be if a nation can be smeared with using a WMD, then it loses all moral authority, will be condemned by the world and subjected to never-ending sanctions from hell. And if the nation is weak enough, like Iraq or Libya, then they become ripe for invasions and devastation. Note that instead of WMDs, Yugoslavia was subjected to the Genocide immorality bomb, which as we now know was 100% contrived. So, all those have the same bottom-line aim–destroy the targeted nation’s international standing and make it a pariah forever–a status royally deserved by the Outlaw US Empire and all other Plundering nations. Do note how that pariah status still haunts Serbia, which NATO continues to use as its justifications against Serbia.
Russia continually counters NATO’s Nuke chatter to inform RoW who is doing it and why so RoW won’t be taken by surprise. Russia continually refers to its publicly available nuclear weapons use policy to remind one and all about its transparency on the issue. It also issues consistent reminders as to what nation and organizations have broken numerous treaties that has caused the global security situation to suffer. All that PR, derided here by many who ought to know better, serves the very important purpose of morally/ethically separating Russia from NATO/Outlaw US Empire by elevating the former over the latter–all for the RoW audience, not the overly propagandized and indoctrinated West.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:15 utc | 139

DocHollywood @138–
My answer to WJ @139 is for you too. NATO has a problem if an actual nuke is employed: All nukes have fingerprints that can’t be erased, and more than enough nations now have the capability of discovering who that fingerprint belongs to, many being in RoW. However as I wrote elsewhere today, the terrorist attack on the pipeline is almost as good as a nuke for destroying the EU economy. I do have thoughts on what might occur next in the economic realm, but they’re reserved for now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:23 utc | 140

All this talk about the pipelines, anyone got any info on Lyman? It seems that city is about to fall the the AFU.

Posted by: Awake | Sep 28 2022 23:40 utc | 141

@ karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:23 utc | 140
Thank you for the reply; I just read your VK page and your excellent “Two Vows” post. BTW, we live in the same US state.
I worry that – with its compliant MSM press and its equally compliant European vassals – even the risk of discovery won’t be enough to deter an increasingly desperate and degenerate imperial power. I hope you’re right and I am wrong.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 28 2022 23:42 utc | 142

Russian space aliens did it.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 28 2022 23:56 utc | 143

The majority still clinging to shreds of sanity and attempts at rationality need to get up the curve, these are psychopathic ideologues of the highest order operating with absolute impunity and immunity from any “oh but millions will starve/die if we do that” guilt. The worst possible disgusting billionaire human filth who gleefully kill as many people as possible for profit. 18 months into Obama’s third term, they finished squeezing every possible dime out of the mandatory poison injections scam, now rapidly escalating their WWIII scam, their crowning achievement will be The War On The Weather scam, which of course this plays straight in to. You can’t Build Back Better unless you completely destroy the place first, and these are people who stand right up on stage and declare that we must get the world population down to 1 billion. The Samson Option indeed, especially with the midterms approaching fast and the uppity plebes saying No they don’t want their 8 year old taught to hate their country and to love anal sex in school. It’s all of a piece, disgusting sociopathic elite human filth versus Humanity

Posted by: AusYank | Sep 28 2022 23:57 utc | 144

The USA is more heavily occupied by you know who than the Palestinian West Bank: the White House, the Congress, the Intelligence agencies, the Fbi, the Media, the Education System, Big Pharma, etc., etc. The list above is only partial, you can add to it all the private banks, the fed, all the big hedge funds, and most of the US corporations. When you lose the power of creating your currency, let alone the world´s reserve unit for trade, you become a nation living in slavelandia.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 28 2022 23:58 utc | 145

Every time in the last two hundred years, after Napoleon´s defeat, the Jewish banksters planned wars & desired revolutions script-performed. The next will not be an exception.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 29 2022 0:07 utc | 146

DocHollywood @142–
Thanks for your reply. You make the sixth barfly I know of living in Oregon. It’s very difficult to predict what psychopathic minds will think and act out. I’ve argued that self-interest alone is enough to deter nuclear war as what does one do with one’s riches in a devastated world? Plus, as Hudson explained again to Nader, the 10%’s wealth is the 90%’s debt; so, if the 90% are dust, the 10% have no wealth. And thanks for the positive review.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 0:17 utc | 147

It was Dirk Pitt from NUMA. Clive Cussler, for those of you that like formulaic CIA dreck.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 29 2022 0:23 utc | 148

The astonishing, mind-boggling, attitude of the Western governments can be understood, IMHO, as follows: The “chosen brotherhood” money printers, be they private banks or central banksters, want to preserve the US$, the primary tool of power they exert on the West. By cutting off all links between Europe and Russia they successfully achieved two strategic goals: Firstly, if you want to run away from the US Dollar you have nowhere to head, Europe being destroyed, and Great Britain converted into a sort of Atlantic North Corea. Secondly, you preserve the exchange value of the US counterfeit fiat currency, the means by which the USA wants to live and consume at the expense of the rest of the productive humanity, uttering these parasitic words: “you produce we consume by trading only with our home-made means of exchange”.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Sep 29 2022 0:34 utc | 149

@121 “European Commission head Ursula von der Leyen has promised the “strongest possible response” if the attack is proven to have been deliberate.”
I keep sending Ursula pictures of Vlad shirtless. It seems to be having an effect on her mental stability. I’m thinking of doing the same to Liz Truss.

Posted by: dh | Sep 29 2022 0:35 utc | 150

“I’ve argued that self-interest alone is enough to deter nuclear war as what does one do with one’s riches in a devastated world?”
The contradictions of capitalism are such that at a certain point self-interest becomes absorbed and suffocated by spiraling out of control forces seeking an outlet.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 29 2022 0:35 utc | 151

karlof1@137. i just finished your latest VK post. thank you for it. i read it right after reading pepe’s latest on presstv & found the two compliment each other very well; pepe provides the plot & you bring the theme, undercurrent & third element. certainly we have reached a point where the drunk in the room is desperate & may well do the unthinkable, i believe putin/lavrov/patrushev & shoigu have researched the various ramifications of this, all of it, from the day putin took the reins from yeltsin (& well before with primakov) & the goal is take our tender world & return her to sanity, peace & goodwill & prosperity for all. team russia will not do anything that endangers that end. if now mother has determined force is necessary, then i believe it can only be. thank you again for all you do to keep us informed & on point.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 29 2022 0:40 utc | 152

I see two options about the blown pipelines: Russia did it, or the US/NATO did it.
Russia did it: a)maybe disaffected members of the Russian military took an action to remove the gas element as a blackmail item against Europe in hopes of ending the war sooner; or b) Russia did this as a way to blame the West for doing it
US/NATO did it: By blowing the pipelines the gas supply is removed from the equation; ie, so long as the lines are undamaged there is always the chance Germany might switch to the Russian side to get the gas and unravel the EU-US alliance. Surely as the cold sets in there will be huge domestic pressure. By blowing the lines, this is now removed totally as an element of alliance; ie makes it much more unlikely Germany and and EU will shift towards Russia. Instead, now the only sources of gas for Europe are the US and other parts of the world, not Russia. The US and other areas will save Europe, with very expensive gas, but Putin’s great bargaining chip has been destroyed and removed.
Russia will try now, I think, to call the war off, declare the republics part of the RF after the votes, stand in place militarily, and hope for negotiations. Or Russia may now invade the rest of Ukraine thinking that Europe ios still going to face a long cold wionter no matter what.
Looks to me like an extremely hard-ass, hedgemonic move by the US, entirely willing to have Europe freeze in the dark if that is the price to pay for removing Putin’s leverage with the EU. Plus US gas suppliers will make out wonderfully.
But, meanwhile, in Ukraine, what will happen on the ground in battle? It seems NATO and Zelinsky are firm on getting Ruissia out of all of Ukraine, and it seems Russia has fully taken the eastern part. Incessant civil war, now?

Posted by: Boomheist | Sep 29 2022 0:41 utc | 153

Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:50 utc | 126
This is the best video analysis I have seen. Jackson Hinkle is good. EVIDENCE: US Guilty Of Nord Stream EXPLOSIONS jackson hinkle extend the war CIA warms Germany of pipeline sabotage max blumenthal tweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPOd267RGVo
<=in my mind the Camels, Israelis and Turkeys are the big winners in the NSII destruction. https://sonar21.com/what-a-coincidence/
https://www.israel365news.com/270368/israel-to-supply-natural-gas-to-europe-and-its-connection-to-a-blessing-from-deuteronomy/
maybe Jackson Hinkle has evidence for who supported who, but the reason for the destruction of the two Russian oil pipelines may not be the war in Ukraine at all, but instead the act of a private oil cartel unable to make a profit with its two pipe lines each seeking to use state power to exclude Russia from the global market place. Its possible the act of terror was executed by privately owned interest. Read these two links and tell me if you think this idea belongs in the mix? thanks.

Posted by: snake | Sep 29 2022 0:58 utc | 154

snake | Sep 29 2022 0:58 utc | 154
Turkeys are the big winners.
That would explain Erdogan’s reversal over the past couple of weeks suddenly condemning Russia.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 1:21 utc | 155

Liman is gone. Horrendous losses on Russian side.

Posted by: BarryW. | Sep 29 2022 1:50 utc | 156

#140 @ karlof1 “: All nukes have fingerprints that can’t be erased, and more than enough nations now have the capability of discovering who that fingerprint belongs to, many being in RoW”
It is believed that the US has at least two Soviet-era tactical nuclear weapons (torpedoes recovered from K-129), so it would be easy enough to use that very fingerprint as “proof” that the Russians “did it”.

Posted by: Billb | Sep 29 2022 1:53 utc | 157

WJ@116
Crappola. Russian personnel couldn’t get into that part of the Baltic in a rowboat. It’s probably the most heavily patrolled and wired for sound chunk of water in the world.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:01 utc | 158

Andrew Carter@121
Presumably, as a Brit, this will be nothing new to you, but many posters may not be aware that it was British intel which created BBC back in the 1920’s. Highly doubtful whether they would have given over the power over the message to any other party.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:05 utc | 159

Kellen Cramer #104

This is all shaping up to take place the way it was planned, with the final act being played out 5 weeks before the election. All along it was clear that Biden was wagging the dog.These people will do anything to win this election and maintain power. and with everything else in the dumper war is the only option left to them to achieve that result. I expect an all-out military intervention sometime very soon, probably aimed at driving the Russians out of Ukraine. The US has been using all its resources and the intelligence it has gathered since February to plan this war, and now is the time for the implementation phase. It has had a lot of time to size up Russia’s capabilities, its strengths and its weaknesses.
A while ago Biden told soldiers stationed in Poland “you will be there.” That wasn’t a gaffe, it was the truth.

It certainly looks that way. Expect Kaliningrad to be the next provocation.
I note on Telegram some frequent reports of noticeable build up of USA forces in Poland. I assume when/if Russia makes a westward push of some considerable scale (beyond the new state accessions) there will be an immediate invasion to save the nazis, secure the new eastern NATO frontier and roll in the missiles.
My guess is that the trigger will be either a Russian retaking of the Kharkiv region or the stampede to secure the southern cities and Transnistria.
The UKUSA warmongers have been measuring the Russian war game for months and likely now assume they have the pattern worked out and the tactics to match and overwhelm. Soon for the phase two invasion of the freedom forces of western civilisation. /s

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 29 2022 2:18 utc | 160

LYFH@136
Where is the seat of the Empire? There has been a lot of research released on the role of The Rhodes scholarships and the people and money behind them.
Consider the case of William Jefferson Clinton. He was spotted early on by “searchers” as a very bright, attractive and articulate young man on the rise. He was also psychologically assessed as being narcissistic and egotistic, perhaps borderline sociopath and maybe even with some psychopathic tendencies. In other words, he was their made man, a willing servant of the hidden Empire on behalf of Cecil Rhodes’ legacy and the plotting for an Anglo-American world rule, with the primary stress placed on the Anglo.
Primary heirs of the Rhodesian legacy was none other than the British branch of the Rottenchild crime clan. Do some research and don’t just take my word for that. It’s all about greed, power and control. The U$$A is quite useful to the Empire as their attack-dog enforcer, due to the fact that as a world military power, the United Kingdom had shot their bolts, militarily and economically via their nefarious roles in the two world wars. However, with willing Yankee, Ivy League frontmen, the Empire rolls on.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 2:19 utc | 161

as you point out, they combine the most incompetent land army on the planet and the most amazing frogmen in any navy in the world.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 29 2022 2:31 utc | 162

How long before Russia attacks the British/ Norway pipeline. Two can play at the same game.

Posted by: Gerard | Sep 29 2022 2:42 utc | 163

@Barry W. #156
What are your sources…?

Posted by: DakotaRog | Sep 29 2022 2:42 utc | 164

@ UncleTom; Perhaps the country (the Soviet Union) that defeated Nazi Germany,…
The person who won the second world war for the “Allies” was the double agent Hitler.
Hitler saved the Allies many times,…
Read all about it here.
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
An intriguing read.

Posted by: JK | Sep 29 2022 2:50 utc | 165

@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 20:28 utc | 112
Dima also proposed that the Russians were setting a trap, which would be a Russian attack through Siversk to Krasny Lyman cutting off the Eastern pincer of the Ukie attack – the Ukies attempting to cauldron Krasny Lyman become cauldroned themselves. This makes sense to me, pull the enemy in and give enough gains to male the enemy pour in more and more reserves into an open area where they can be easily destroyed by artillery and air attacks and then surrounded and cut off. We should know within a week if the Russians are planning such a thing, otherwise the Ukies may very well cut off Krasny Lyman. Within a few days the Russians will have the legal ability to take the gloves off as they will be fighting on Russian territory.
With respect to the pipelines, of course the West did it! I feel that Russia will continue not to escalate as that would provide the West with a cassus belli for greatly enhancing the economic and kinetic war on a Russia which needs to keep the Rest of the World on its side. Russia must stay focused on the real prize, the taking and subjugation of Ukraine and the economic destruction of a West teetering on the edge with high inflation and colossal levels of public and private debts.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 29 2022 3:10 utc | 166

Germany going broke will be unable to subsidize Poland’s desire to be a major threat to Russia, Germany being the EU’s leading donor and Poland being the leading donee.
April 2021
Poland is a major partner in NATO efforts at military modernization. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, Poland has been divesting itself of legacy Soviet equipment while procuring modern U.S. defense systems. Poland has undertaken an ambitious multi-year, multi-billion-dollar defense modernization program that includes significant purchases from the United States. In March 2018, Poland signed an agreement worth nearly $5 billion for the Patriot air and missile defense system. Poland is also procuring the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), worth $411 million, which will improve its indirect fire capabilities. Poland has also agreed to purchase 32 F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters plus services and support worth ~$4.5 billion under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program overseen by the U.S. Department of State. This procurement will help Poland replace its fleet of aging MiG-29 and Su-22 aircraft. . .here
February 2022
The State Department has approved an estimated $6 billion sale of M1 Abrams tanks and other equipment to Poland as tensions on the eastern flank of Europe remain high over Russian aggression aimed at Ukraine.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2022 3:12 utc | 167

Aleph Null @107 my heart breaks with the truth of your post.
“Awesome media energy is poured into manufacturing consent for world war three, as if consent were a significant requirement. As if this were a democracy, where it matters what people think.
We know our consent has not been and will not be requested, while hysterically continuing with prior pretenses. We are too morally crushed, utterly defeated and exhausted, to raise much of a fuss about unsheathing the nukes, now.”
wanted to quote the whole thing, but the end will do. thanks.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 29 2022 3:14 utc | 168

The story line now is that Russia is threatening more aggression because it (personalized to Putin, as usual with US enemies) is desperate .
The Hill

“He is dangerous, he is desperate,” said Daniel Fried, distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council and a former U.S. ambassador to Poland. “Because he’s in a weak position he’s doubling down on what he may consider to be his strongest remaining assets: nuclear threat and ability to use violence to achieve his aims, such as blowing up the Nordstream pipelines, if in fact Russia is responsible, which it appears they may be. He’s hoping to use unpredictability as a tactical weapon to intimidate the West.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2022 3:28 utc | 169

Karlof1
I can’t express my gratitude enough for all that you have written and I strive to read it all
I am but a neophyte in this world and in many aspects of it.
But you and Alistair Crooke and so many others are possessed by a deep and wide erudition that I would be guilty of some kind of crime were I not to partake of what is so freely given.
I read your piece of The Two Vows and agree very much with your points.
I then continued reading all the way thru President Putin’s speech announcing the partial mobilization, pausing to read Mr. Crooke’s very dense and thoughtful piece.
Verizon usually blocks my access to Strategic Culture Foundation, so I was pleasantly surprised to be able to successfully link to it.
All I can offer as a comment on the fragmentation of the public mind in The West is what I have learned about the Tavistock Institute and the aim it has pursued since it’s founding in 1913.
It is to install a One World Government.
Its greatest obstacle was and is the deeply ingrained Judeo/Christian values that form the bedrock of the spiritual values that have led humanity to continually strive to actualize it’s highest ideals.
Please accept my apologies as I am too sleep deprived to continue. I’m having great difficulty articulating my thoughts.
I’ll look forward to connecting with you and having dialogue on all of this if you are at all interested in said same.
Thank you, again for all you’ve given to me and know I am ever in your debt
Be well and Blessings to you and All for whom you care
Slava Russia
L

Posted by: Lauren Michele | Sep 29 2022 3:31 utc | 170

Interesting posts here. There has been a lot of bar chatter here about the USA committing a false flag to push a nuclear incident to blame on Russia. Well this pipeline atrocity committed by them is that flag.
However, as more learned barflies have commented, having done this, they are now going to have a devil of a job proving how Russia could have got into the Baltic Sea to do this. They are also going to have to explain why NATO/USA were trying out new drones right in the area where it happened the day before.
For me the USA hasn’t thought this attack through at all and the consequences of it. So, they have committed this atrocity, there will be a totally fraudulent biased investigation which will exclude Russia but blame it somehow and then what? Russia and Germany will repair the pipelines. That’s it.
I note the post in which today a White House Spokesman said if Russia annexes the Southern and Eastern Oblasts the action the USA will take will be very serious and consequentual. WTF has that got to do with them?
All this us sheer desperation on the part of the collective West as they know Russia has not only won this hands down but is now in the home straits. What are the USA actually going to do? If Biden is pondering a nuclear attack I strongly suspect the Pentagon will refuse to act on the instruction.
I cannot see where they can go with this. They have dropped a major b*****k due to a lack of thought and outright hysterical thinking and action. I cannot see how they can escape the blame for this. I cannot see how they can proceed in any meaningful way from here.
Russia will, next week, incorporate the 4 oblasts into the RF. They will set about assessing the damage to the pipelines and what repairs are required. It will complete the SMO in the East and South Ukraine sooner rather than later now and will prevail.
I cannot see them as anything other than having metaphorically speaking surgically removed their own testicles. They have now closed down all the options they had.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 29 2022 3:46 utc | 171

Now, trains with equipment and personnel are passing through the settlement. Every night after 22 o’clock trains arrive at the Likhachevo railway station located in Pervomaisky.

Amazing that electric trains are still delivering military equipment in Ukraine. The USA military must be shaking their heads.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 29 2022 3:51 utc | 173

BarryW. | Sep 29 2022 1:50 utc | 156
“………Liman is gone. Horrendous losses on Russian side.”
DakotaRog | Sep 29 2022 2:42 utc | 164
“………What are your sources…?
Yes. Barry. Source?
Just did a scroll through the telegrams I can access…. Zip nada, nowt.
I found this:

https://t.me/azmilitary11/22618
#YURI Battle of Liman continues, its outcome will determine the whole course of hostilities.
Despite fierce battles, the front lines haven’t changed much during this day.
Russian actions prevented the AFU from accumulating enough troops to attack the rear of the Liman fortified area by hitting the pontoon crossings over Severski Donets.
Liman holds on, while eastern part of Kupyansk have been left by the Russian troops late night yesterday.
The enemy now has two quite comfortable bridgeheads over Oskol, and may well launch a next wave of offensive to wash off the political humiliation of the referenda, overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia.

Interested to have another source.
________
Jo Dominich | Sep 29 2022 3:46 utc | 171
What’s a major “b*****k” ???
If you intend to use a word…just fucking use it.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 4:03 utc | 174

non regular posters taking shit… who whudda thunk it? ignore them..

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 4:20 utc | 175

taking – talking…

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 4:21 utc | 176

james talking shit. . .ignore him

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2022 4:29 utc | 177

Lauren Michele @170–
Thanks for your generous reply. Yes, of course, connect. But rest your mind; it works best then.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 4:37 utc | 178

Don Bacon @167–
Thanks Don. I see that blowback too. The expense of the plunder might overcome the take.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 4:40 utc | 179

Don Bacon@169
What would be the ethnic origin of the surname “Fried”? That might explain something of his slant.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 4:52 utc | 180

Uncle Tungsten@172
It is mordantly amusing observing a dedicated Talmudist like Adam Schiff festooning those UkieNazis with “Hossanahs” and “Hurrahs”. Central Casting could not have devised a more twisted irony. Sometimes pure farce negates any possible emotional involvement.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 4:57 utc | 181

@ james | Sep 29 2022 4:20 utc | 175
There seem to be fewer of them, per Gruff’s expectation due to the Florida weather.
@ dh | Sep 29 2022 0:35 utc | 150
lol
@ nietzsche1510 | Sep 29 2022 0:34 utc | 149
Hate the game. Not the players.
The league wouldn’t be less inhumane with one team missing.
@ karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 0:17 utc | 147
The *financial* debt of the 90% is a proxy for future labor by the 90%. With increasing automation of everything, the 10% won’t need that labor. (Nor does the 90% need that 10%. So, who are the “useless eaters”? Ha ha.).

Posted by: dfg | Sep 29 2022 5:04 utc | 182

If Germany decides to relocate its industrial base, Russia is a more reliable partner than the neocons in the US
Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:57 utc | 127
Companies, instead of selling EU-made products, setting up factories in Russia. This was happening before, and sanctions have only accelerated the trend. Claas combine harvesters in Krasnodar is an example: manufactures not only for Russia, but also exports to Kazakhstan. It’s not only physically moving production east; the German training scheme, where someone attends school but also works has also been introduced in Krasnodar, I think?
You could say business routes around sanctions.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 29 2022 5:41 utc | 183

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 4:03 utc | 174

What’s a major “b*****k” ???
If you intend to use a word…just fucking use it.

Like I suggested before, you need to work on your reading comprehension. It’s an expletive. You literally don’t need to know what it means.
Yeah yeah, you’re really complaining about prissiness. Thing is, I missed where b made you the style editor for the site.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 29 2022 5:46 utc | 184

Somehow I missed this back March 2nd :
UN General Assembly resolution demands end to Russian offensive in Ukraine
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113152
« Out of 193 countries, 141 voted to condemn Russia, 5 voted against, 35 abstained. »
Can somebody please refresh me, what the hell happened ?

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 6:05 utc | 185

@171 Jo Dominich
“Russia and Germany will repair the pipelines. That’s it.”
Exacctly. Eventually this war will be over, while the internal issues in the US will just get worse. When the US has lost interest in the EU again, the commercial interests of Germany and Russia will prevail, and they will mend their relations and fix the lines. Hopefully by then the SPD/Green vassal government in Germany will also be toast. Any German in the know can never respect the US again.

Posted by: grits | Sep 29 2022 6:11 utc | 186

@181 aristodemos
Yeah, makes me ponder even more so the official version of WWII. Surely this is not a new thing?

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 29 2022 6:14 utc | 187

For the German govt to admit this actually happened—that the United States attacked German civilian infrastructure—would put them in an impossible situation with respect to their own people. It would be to admit they are not actually in an “alliance” with the US, but a vassal state. This is a well known reality at the highest levels of government, but it would not be acceptable to the German people. Worse, it would be to admit that the power they have been actively serving, and whose geostrategic aims they have been promoting, is one that has no regard for Germany’s national interest and is in fact actively undermining it. This would make the German government look like incompetent weaklings and cowards at best. More to the point, it would make them look like traitors.

Posted by: GuardYourHumanity | Sep 29 2022 6:29 utc | 188

Posted by: Ken | Sep 28 2022 21:57 utc | 127
Prior to 1914 Germany was the dominant investor in the Russian Empire with Siemens having 90% market share and arms like (US) Singer having huge factories in St Petersburg.
Between 1919 and 1933 German companies established weapons plants inside USSR as JVs and build tanks, aircraft, and tested poison gas and other tactical methods until Hitler stopped it after 1933.
Germany circumvented Versailles Treaty by building U-Boats in Sweden.
Lots of German manufacturing is carried out by Turkish companies – in fact Mercedes buses are all made in Turkey – so it is obvious “Made in Germany” and “German made” are different and since German manufacturing has been totally dependent on sub-assembly work in UK, Turkey, Ukraine, Italy, it really has no control any longer over technology transfer

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 29 2022 6:30 utc | 189

Plus, as Hudson explained again to Nader, the 10%’s wealth is the 90%’s debt; so, if the 90% are dust, the 10% have no wealth. And thanks for the positive review.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 0:17 utc | 147
I think Hudson had better be more specific than that !!!
Double-Entry Bookkeeping does not always appeal to “economists” but “Debt” is only a Liability on one side of the Balance Sheet; it is an “Asset” on the other.
It is also imperative not to mix “stocks” and “flows” and Hudson probably did not but you may well have done so.
All Pensions are a Liability to the agency paying them but an Asset to the persons counting on receiving them or they would be saving much more money and consuming much much less.
If 1% in Russia own 60% wealth it suggests they have a very major problem and they probably do………in Germany I think 1% owns 30% wealth but the average German is quite poor with no property ownership but high levels of debt………..
The fact us the bulk of Debt is corporate and if you think BMW is a family business then that is a lot of Wealth/Debt for the Quandt Family – likewise in the Mars Family or for James Dyson or even Michael Dell

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 29 2022 6:38 utc | 190

There was real hunger there, 1948-1953, around.
Posted by: Hausmeister | Sep 28 2022 15:06 utc | 32
Interesting. Yet food rationing did not end in the UK until 1953/54. Not long after the coronation of QE2 in 1953. Strict currency control restrictions in the UK. Remained in force until October 1979.
This was several years after the open food market returned to Europa.
Neutral state Switzerland. Late in the war suffered minor bomb damage from a number of USAF intentional raids. Or the secret AmeriKan undeclared war on Switzerland. This was labeled as so-called navigation error bomb raids in 1945. Was one of the first Europa countries to end food rationing in 1948. The open free food market in Europa followed shortly thereafter.
Was this a vain attempt to stem the massive migration of Europa citizens from fleeing o/s? For a better life elsewhere! To evade post-war hatred of local German collaborator persecution. Then very prevalent in post-war Europa.
One could say, the Soviet Union was not the only country to face post-war starvation
and other shortages alone.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 29 2022 6:56 utc | 191

… Even is Biden wasn’t demented he’s no Kennedy.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 28 2022 21:08 utc | 119

Going on recent performances, Biden’s reduced to care-home body popping.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 7:01 utc | 192

Can somebody please refresh me, what the hell happened ?
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 6:05 utc | 185
What do you mean?
Reality happened.
188 national governments chose the USA over Russia.
They are all weaklings but they aren’t stupid.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 7:03 utc | 193

… Its not Asif we Brits don’t have enough problems of our own closer to home
Posted by: Andrew Carter | Sep 28 2022 21:18 utc | 121

That sickening propaganda exists precisely because the UK is a neoliberal husk.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 7:04 utc | 194

@SeanAU – thank you. That was my reaction too, but I wanted to be sure. I didn’t remember this at all.
Even weirder, I looked for references to this event on my favourite sources, and there was nothing, so I was wondering if this guy gave me a fake webpage or what. Cognitive dissonance and all that.
Is that all there is to it ? Buncha cowards, not putting their name on the line, cause it’s non-binding anyway ? But Iran and Venezuela… et tu ?!

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 7:15 utc | 195

Can somebody please refresh me, what the hell happened ?
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 6:05 utc | 185
There was another vote at the UN again in August to condemn Russia. This time the numbers were completely reversed. You will never hear about that one because the West lost. In the lead up to it Blinken was all over Arica and Asia trying to drum up support, Lavrov too was doing the same.
It was even scrubbed from the UN website, but it did happen even though all through Western media it was completely blanked from the media
Only RT registered it and you know what they did to RT in the west
https://www.rt.com/russia/561627-un-ukraine-resolution-support/

Posted by: DaVinci | Sep 29 2022 7:29 utc | 196

We are in a world where the more educated a person is, the more likely he/she will be brainwashed by the media.
It might be that one of the objectives of destroying the pipe lines is to say to the people in Europe, when they start hitting the streets against their governments, there is no point of negotiating with Russia because there are no pipe lines any more. It is also possible it will be “proven” that the damage is irreparable.

Posted by: Man | Sep 29 2022 7:52 utc | 197

I did think that the EU were vassals of the US. Now I think the US is a vassal too. It’s not the country anyone knew. It was bad but not this bad. Americans have lost America too. The government and the elections are shams run by inhuman people who grovel before someone. Who?

Posted by: Jimmy Flies By | Sep 29 2022 7:54 utc | 198

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 23:15 utc | 139
“RoW knows that point very well.”
The court juries, of MOA, wherever we are, the 16% of the world’s population are not the Russian targets.
Russia is concerned with is, as you state, the 84% of the world’s citizens jury. Who are now watching the Russian, political, military and financial performance.
When they retire to the Jury Room, they, and only they, will discuss the Russian and their allies actions v the 16%’s actions. Only then will they arrive at a verdict.
The world of the 84%, are who, Russia and its allies, are determined to deliver the “Brave New World”, to.

Posted by: OhOh | Sep 29 2022 7:59 utc | 199

@ Paul Greenwood | Sep 28 2022 14:19 utc | 19
Your hope for a reassessment of the situation and the sanctions is admirable, but please bear in mind the highly mysterious enthronement of von der Lügen. Her appointment as EU president resembles the North Korean style. This person is the personified apparatchik and an 250% atlanticist puppet from Hillary Clinton’s cabinet of horrors.
I admit I also had hopes that the EU would be the best thing happen to this West Asian peninsula. But I forgot it’s colonial nostalgic dreams among the so called “elitites”, which are actually parasites.
During my work for a international organisation I have come to realise that this was a hopeless illusion since the totally undemocratic admission of 14 new members in 2004. Remember when the whole world was lamenting the illegal US war against Iraq… This EU “enlargement” was in fact the end of the Europe we used to know and split into “New” & “Old” Europe. As the hotel blew up, it was a milestone, easily comparable to the pipeline mystery and I quit my job.
Returning to Europe at that time, the value of a euro was 2 to 1 to the Swiss franc. Today, 1 Swiss franc is worth more than 1 Euro. How much more we have to be drunk to talk about an inflation of 8% when it is already 100% for the last 20 years??? Paul, like the US, Europe is economically finished. I fully agree with Michael Huston. Look at the UK, the Ashton report, look at the ECB’s bond buying sheme of QE and the crazy mortgage lending to people in precarious jobs. Education and health is no longer affordable.
There is this very interesting comment
Posted by: tunabe | Sep 28 2022 17:54 utc | 78
To which I agree, even if it sounds a bit hopeful with the typical optimistic view of those in former GDR.
I don’t think it will come to a nuclear exchange, but to an economic bang that will lead to a reconsideration of the geographical reality and at the same time to a rapprochement between Eastern and Western Europeans.

Posted by: Ted | Sep 29 2022 8:08 utc | 200