Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 28 2022 12:42 utc | 2
The US doesn’t need the Russians to make them look like assh*les. They can manage it all by themselves.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 28 2022 13:04 utc | 4

how can Europe be so subservient? NATO and the US tells them what they can and can’t. WTF? USA has wanted the pipelines shut down since before it was built! Now they have damaged it, and the Europeans can’t even find out what is going on. They have been so dumbed down by the narrative that Putin is evil, they have lost all touch with reality.
The world is ruled by a group of idiots.

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 28 2022 13:09 utc | 6

From Rybar, machine translated
A few weeks ago we wrote (https://t.me/rybar/38709 ) about the military columns in the city of Pervomaisky, Kharkiv region, which were going in the direction of the front line.
Now, trains with equipment and personnel are passing through the settlement. Every night after 22 o’clock trains arrive at the Likhachevo railway station located in Pervomaisky.
Part of the equipment is unloaded and sent towards Alekseevka and Balakleya. Other trains are sent further to Lozovaya. All this indicates the preparation of a powerful strike by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the bridgehead on the right bank of the Oskol in the direction of Svatovo and the territory of the LPR.
The only way to at least temporarily stop the transfer is a massive strike on the station: the object is in the range of the OTRK and long—range MLRS.
At the end of August and at the beginning of September, a large number of Telegram channels provided detailed information and objective evidence of the preparation of the Ukrainian offensive on Balakleya and Izyum. The price of inaction was the “regrouping” in the Kharkiv region.
We really hope that at least now the transfer through the loaded station in Pervomaisky will not be ignored: the scenario may happen again.

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 13:26 utc | 8

>how can Europe be so subservient?
They believe in American dream and consider Americans to be their natural masters.

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 13:29 utc | 10

Knowing the players of the game helps divine the strategy. Who owns Putin? Is one to believe he is a free agent?

Posted by: JustAskin | Sep 28 2022 13:41 utc | 12

How can Europe be subservient? Easy. They are raised on a diet of American TV, music, fashion ,language and internet. Their whole life , from the moment they are born, is infused with Americana. To these dumb Europeans, Europe is just a more colourful Disneyworld – type place , there just to give you an “ethnic” experience.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 28 2022 13:51 utc | 14

Brother Ma | Sep 28 2022 13:51 utc | 16
A collection of individuals, not allowed to rise out of the market to the level of a people, all raised to believe that myths, games, and other juvenile exercises of self-valuation are the stuff of adult reality. That was Baudrillard’s thing, I think.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Sep 28 2022 14:06 utc | 16

Brother Ma | Sep 28 2022 13:51 utc | 16
A collection of individuals, not allowed to rise out of the market to the level of a people, all raised to believe that myths, games, and other juvenile exercises of self-valuation are the stuff of adult reality. That was Baudrillard’s thing, I think
Your comment is amazingly correct.
I would add: they remain in infantile stage of development for life.
That is Europe, specially the educated class.

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 14:14 utc | 18

@c1ue | Sep 28 2022 14:09 utc | 19
As I posted on the other thread the perpetrators pride will not allow them to keep a secret.
There will now occur a series of tiny boastful leaks.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 28 2022 14:20 utc | 20

The Danish and the Swedish have one hell of a combat diver tradition…

Posted by: Skåne | Sep 28 2022 14:22 utc | 22

It seems more than obvious: In retaliation for Russia mobilizing to protect the Donbass´populations after incorporating them in the Federation, the US-NATO has blown North Stream pipelines. Germany and Europe continue degrading and the US benefits more.

Posted by: EDO | Sep 28 2022 14:33 utc | 24

«Северного потока» just said that they need to inspect the damages and then decide how to fix them. They said they have the expertise and the equipments to do the job.
https://readovka.news/news/113723

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 28 2022 14:40 utc | 26

“how can Europe be so subservient?”
The Q is how come Washington play on Europe’s psychological weaknesses so well?
They pet Poland and Baltic states whispering in their ear they’re GREAT countries (don’t laugh…) and Murica will help them achieve their state of grandeur (against Russia… or Germany).
They hold Germany on a leash reminding them every week it’s thanks to Patton’s army in 1945 that Germany wasn’t swallowed by Uncle Joseph.
For a long time France resisted the American nefarious influence but thanks to coked-up idiots like Sarkozy or Macron (Hollande didn’t take coke) France is now a full member of the EU device = a true slave of Uncle Sam.
**Now** the slaves will soon realize they were slaves all along and not partners Washington catered to. How will this end? Badly, but that everyone can see.

Posted by: Nanker | Sep 28 2022 14:41 utc | 28

Only gullible fools think Russia blew up their own pipeline. Lucky that there are so many people that rely on television for their spoon fed “news”

Posted by: Bismarck | Sep 28 2022 14:51 utc | 30

I guess @Paul Greenwood with many surprising inside views into the German industry, who lives may be Germany, get’s it right. – What shapes now is worse than Versailles and 1945 for Germans. Destroyed houses can be rebuilt. The majority of brains blown empty one cannot just recover. A big part is lost. – What develops now is similar to what happened to the then still existing High-Tech industry in the former DDR after having had split the world with the intentionally started Cold War. Many machines ready to be used, enough functionable workforce, accessible war materials and energy – but out of the sudden the access to the world markets via Hamburg was cut off. Result: the workforce had to escape. My family came to Western Germany on that background. @All: believe me, 90% or more were what we call Wirtschaftsfluechtlinge. They did not run away from some bad commies. Opposite: Stalin needed a neutral but successful Germany to pay for the incredible damages the Nazis had imposed on the SU. He tried to realize that interest of the SU at that time but the “Free West” tried all means to prevent just that. Most of my relatives would have opted to stay there. But it was impossible. There was real hunger there, 1948-1953, around.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Sep 28 2022 15:06 utc | 32

Posted by: Bob | Sep 28 2022 12:50 utc | 5
” the realisation that Russia can move that close without being detected by numerous sensing apparatus.”
The pipelines are not equiped with many sensing and monitoring possibilities over that whole distance. However, it’s true that the act alone has symbolic value. Someone is capable and willing to attack undersea infrastructure in international waters. It’s a first. It itself a major escalation. Why stop there? How to really catch someone, who has clearly the means to come and go underseas carrying serious explosive devices or torpedoes? The game has changed.

Posted by: John Dowser | Sep 28 2022 15:12 utc | 34

Posted by: ffreeloader | Sep 28 2022 13:26 utc | 11
> Yeah, the Russians are so dumb they are destroying their own energy infrastructure worth many billions of rubles. It’s just as believable as the tale that they are shelling the Zaparpzia nuclear power plant so they can contaminate the area they hold, kill their own troops and millions
It wasn’t worth much anymore since not anything was moving inside it. Plus it can be repaired of course but not on the short term. In the mean time this event simply puts pressure on an already overheated (or actually very cold?) energy market. Then again, Russia had probably way much better approaches to pause the transport. Maintenance, contracts, quoting sanctions. Blowing it up seems a bit irrational although unclear who will benefit this in the end, on longer term.

Posted by: John Dowser | Sep 28 2022 15:18 utc | 36

And as I posted in a different thread (the b sabotage info one) – France actually benefits from Germany being basically destroyed due to lack of energy – a French geopolitical objective for hundreds of years.
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 28 2022 14:09 utc | 19
This is just nuts. French policy switched after the 2WW to sticking close to Germany, but c1ue hasn’t noticed what happened as recently as 70 years ago.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 28 2022 15:32 utc | 38

http://johnhelmer.net/the-bornholm-blow-up-repeats-the-bornholm-bash-poland-attacks-germany-and-blames-russia/
Worth your time imo…

Posted by: Nanker | Sep 28 2022 15:35 utc | 40

I read somewhere that 3 detonations were ‘heard’. Whoever performed this operation must have used at least minimal redundancy. If only 3 explosions were detected, it would not be possible that an unexploded, intact, is it still there, with all the fingerprints of the terrorist state?

Posted by: SCan | Sep 28 2022 15:38 utc | 42

SCan (44)
Apparently, they were so powerful that a Swedish seismologist picked them up on his equipment.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 28 2022 15:44 utc | 44

i’ll give you one pipeline for one space satellite, and a handful of “advisors” on the side.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 28 2022 15:46 utc | 46

Here in Canada, I watched CBC ‘the National’ last night, which I only do when curious as to what government wants us to believe. Since I was fairly certain the pipeline leaks were done by ‘the west’, I fully expected to see the usual ‘It was those evil Ruskies’ story. To my surprise there was only a 15 second blurb about some leaks in the pipelines, sandwiched between stories of hurricane Ian and Soccer. I said to my wife, ‘must be they haven’t gotten their story in order yet, we’ll see tomorrow night’.
This morning I read a comment on MOA, linked here, from a certain badrabbit. Although it seems like a stretch AND it’s the first time I’ve seen that handle, if did make me think of what I had said to my wife. The takeaway line, ‘Silence from the msm media says it all, they were not ready for this!’
badrabbit comment on moa
I’ve been reading MOA for years, first time I’ve posted. Usually skip posters I don’t recognize until they have some credibility among the regulars who have helped me make some sense of this mad world. I don’t know if I’ll ever post again, I’m not an expert on anything and I DO get annoyed with posts that don’t really add anything to the discussions, maybe like this one 😉

Posted by: FLenQC | Sep 28 2022 15:49 utc | 48

@WJ 33
I agree that the US is hands down winning the propaganda war (in the west at least), and that many people will believe what they are spoon fed in the press . However, I think there will come a point when, enough people start losing their jobs, futures and livelihoods because their former secure, successful, mittelstand firm has closed or severly downsized due to hugely increased input costs, that they look up and look for someone to blame. Add that to the general stress with cost of living rises and you may well have a turning against the US.
People were genuinely suprised here when ‘yes, we scan’ Obama was caught hacking Merkels’ phone; I think what might trigger that change is the US penchant for overreach and taking ‘just one more bite ‘ out of the European cherry so often that the Atlanticts in the German establishment can’t contain peoples’ anger. I live in hope.
That however, is a shitty road to travel but I cant see anything benign/constructive/collaborative coming out of the US for a long long time to come.

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 28 2022 15:53 utc | 50

PG @ 21
US population is roughly 330,000,000. EU population 450,000,000. What are you including to get to 800,000,000 for European continent?
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 28 2022 14:50 utc | 31
He wrote “European” not “EU”.
Europe: 745,173,774 population in 2021
European Union: 447,007,596 in 2021

Posted by: SwissGuy | Sep 28 2022 16:08 utc | 52

SCan | Sep 28 2022 15:38 utc | 44
Republicofscotland | Sep 28 2022 15:44 utc | 46
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1574849652016422914?cxt=HHwWhICxscTa_torAAAA
“The Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeline leaks are ~75 kilometers apart (so, two very distinctive incidents). The Danish military has dropped 3 beacons over the leaks to signal the danger. You can see @MarineTraffic data (red circle).
“> The two areas of the leaks is so far apart (~75 km) that natural events (like subsea mudslides or earthquakes) can be almost certainly ruled out. The same goes about ships dragging anchor or fishing nets from trawlers, or a submarine colliding by chance. This is deliberate.
“> Here the Danish geological service: 2 explosions detected. One at 2.03am on Monday, Sep 26, and another at 7.03pm on the same day (~17 hours apart). The first event registered 2.3 on the Richter scale, the second measured 2.1 (No way this wasn’t man-made)
“> https://eng.geus.dk/about/news/news-archive/2022/september/baltic

GEUS has recorded shaking in the Baltic Sea Published 27-09-2022
The first event registered 2.3 on the Richter scale, the second 2.1 on the Richter scale.
The signals do not resemble signals from earthquakes. They do resemble the signals typically recorded from blasts.
The signals are recorded on GEUS’ two seismographic stations on Bornholm, the station on Stevns as well as on Swedish and German stations.
The Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland (GEUS) is responsible for monitoring and locating earthquakes and other seismological events in Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe islands.
…..maps of the locations and the seismographic stations. Maps: GEUS and Google Maps 

[yes. I’ve already posted this. But it’s obvious barflies aren’t reading, only posting…]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 28 2022 16:14 utc | 54

Financial Info Re Nord Stream:
“According to Gazprom, the costs of the onshore pipelines in Russia and Germany were around €6 billion.[113] The offshore section of the project cost €8.8 billion.[114] Thirty percent of the financing was raised through equity provided by shareholders in proportion to their stakes in the project, while 70 percent was obtained from external financing by banks.[115]
There were two tranches of fundraising.[116][117] The first tranche, totaling €3.9 billion, includes a €3.1 billion, 16-year facility covered by export credit agencies and an €800 million, 10-year uncovered commercial loan to be serviced by earnings from the transportation contracts. A further €1.6 billion is covered by French credit insurance company Euler Hermes, €1 billion by German loan guarantee program UFK, and €500 million by Italian export credit agency SACE SpA. Crédit Agricole is the documentation bank and bank facility agent. Société Générale is intercreditor agent, Sace facility agent, security trustee and model bank. Commerzbank is the Hermes facility agent, UniCredit is the UFK facility agent, Deutsche Bank is the account bank, and Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation is the technical and environmental bank.[115][116] The financial advisers were Société Générale, Royal Bank of Scotland (ABN Amro), Dresdner Kleinwort (Commerzbank), and Unicredit.[118][119] The legal adviser to Nord Stream was White & Case, and legal adviser for the lenders was Clifford Chance.[116]
For Nord Stream 2, the loan from Uniper, Wintershall Dea, OMV, Engie, and Royal Dutch Shell covers 50 percent of the projected costs of €9.5 billion. The rest is being financed by Gazprom.[72]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Costs_and_financing

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 28 2022 16:20 utc | 56

Looks like the US/EU will be gearing up the propaganda machine to blame the Russians. Current CNN headline:

US warned European allies this summer that Nord Stream pipelines could be attacked

Should be:

US warned European allies this summer it would destroy Nord Stream pipelines.

I am inclined to think it was the Poles as they recently have drudged up old hatreds and grievances toward the Germans.

Posted by: Erelis | Sep 28 2022 16:24 utc | 58

Let’s face it. The sabotage/destruction of NS1 and NS2 has the signature of the U.S. all over it. The motives, means and the technical ability are all there. Whether the manpower actually involved was Ukrainian, Polish, British or Danish (or a combination thereof) is irrelevant. The hardware, logistics and planning were certainly provided by the U.S.
On an earlier thread here somebody (I forgot who) wrote a very short comment along the lines that blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines was the stupidest thing the U.S. could ever have possibly done. At face value, I believe that is absolutely correct.
Attacking German/Russian infrastructure, torpedoing German and thus also European energy security, inevitably plunging the entire EU into a massive recession and causing huge swaths of Germany’s industrial capacity to shut down and/or fail entirely is essentially an act of war. If in the European public awareness this ever clearly linked to the U.S. then it will be a permanent public relations disaster from which the U.S. will never recover. It can pack up it’s nuclear toys and revert to it’s former “splendid isolation” as a backwater of the world.
However, what if this act of utter stupidity also represents one of the most massive tactical blunders the U.S. has ever made?
Did it ever occur to the U.S. leadership that attacking BOTH German and Russian infrastructure and vital interests might actually have the opposite effect?
The Russians have stated that they have the know how and ability to repair the pipelines. It will probably be a long, slow job. But the pipelines are 1.300 kilometers in length. Only a short section needs to be replaced. What happens if Germany and Russia end up working together towards getting both pipelines working again? What if Germany simply asserts its own national and economic interests to supersede any (non-working) sanctions against the Russian Federation and imports all the gas it needs for itself and its European allies?
This is all conjecture, of course. But if a scenario like this comes about, it could be the beginning a real strategic partnership between German high tech and the sheer endless resources the Russia Federation can supply. This is precisely what the U.S. has been trying to derail for decades now and one of its worst fears. A German/Russian partnership would establish a veritable powerhouse the U.S. would never be able to dominate.
The alternative, of course is either another endless “Cold War” or the bitter reality of an even colder nuclear winter.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 28 2022 16:33 utc | 60

FLenQC | Sep 28 2022 15:49 utc | 50
>…”Silence from the msm media says it all…..
Mmmm. No. There’s HEAPS of happenings that don’t make a media blimp.
Or are quickly buried.
That some were quick to twitter and telegram with the information captured here by b, means those that know, know it was the US.
What the US and its media muppets want now is for the whole episode to be forgotten.
Just watch. Can they get people to forget?
And watch. If people insist on remembering… the RussiaRussiaRussia mantra will kick in.
—————————
Passerby | Sep 28 2022 15:52 utc | 51
Follow the money….. who traded what and when. In fact, look at the NS shareholders… they might have seen a chance to recoop their losses from a stranded asset……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 28 2022 16:48 utc | 62

An internal tug of war in America.
Some folks will be happy with the CIA’s act of terrorism, while some folks will be pissed that it hastens the demise of the old empire and their monopoly flash-money.
Out with the old and in with the new, AKA, Trading Places.

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 28 2022 16:53 utc | 64

Yeah looks like West is already in line to blame Russia. As German government has said it looks like damage to the pipelines is irreparable and suggesting Russia did this. If German lemmings do this then you can bet rest of the West will do as well. Germans are really turning into those girls in movies that get off being abused. “Punish me harder, daddy!”
I can’t wait for their theory of how Russia accomplished this. As it seems submarines could not possibly have entered this area. So it had to have been Russian boats carrying tons of explosives and navigating shallow near shore waters without Dutch, German and Polish navies even realizing they are there. Scott Ridley must be making angry phone calls as to why his team never thought of this movie plot.
Russia has called up the UNSC to meet over this incident as well. Seems there are just too many cooks in the West kitchen and probably nobody really is calling the shots. There is no order, just chaos. A nuclear incident is most likely next on the dock. Just smells like pure desperation. The forecast of winter and economic future must be absolutely grim.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 28 2022 16:58 utc | 66

Comandante | Sep 28 2022 16:58 utc | 66
“……I can’t wait for their theory of how Russia accomplished this…..
Putler himself did it. They even have photos.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1574798581810200578?cxt=HHwWhICw2e2959orAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 28 2022 17:12 utc | 68

The people responsible for the pipeline blowup will be the only interested party that is not blamed.
Those who did it will have made sure that they will never be mentioned.
War is all about deception.
This article tells you about some of the incredible deception that occurred in the second world war:
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
Modern wars involve incredible deception.

Posted by: JK | Sep 28 2022 17:17 utc | 70

The Anglosphere has done this before. As soon as Britain entered WWI, they cut the Germans’ transatlantic cables.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 28 2022 17:26 utc | 72

My guess is that the governments of all those involved here know exactly who did blew up the pipelines, and probably why.
Russia has lost potential leverage over Germany and hence the EU should they choose a path of peace negotiations. Also money and a route back to normal relations. The engineering difficulties of a repair are I belive quite significant and cannot be done before next year.
The Uk will be on its economic knees soon so does not want a Brexit blowbackand would be quite happy with a crippled EU. Truss has form on being both Russophobic and stupid. Poland has a new gas pipeline of its own. The Ukraine wants to control the flow of Russian gas via the pipelines which cross its territory and the Z regime is dead set against peace. Who can guess what the USA wants with its senile president and policy set by a constantly shifting set of establishment interests and cabals.Nothing that would help the EU or Russia, that is for sure.
To believe Russia did this one would need to find it credible that Russian assets either set charges when the pipeline was built or managed to sneak into near Danish territorial waters without detection -where a long established Naval base and undersea listening and detection capabilities have been in place since the cold war started. Alternatively you might think a recent (days old) USN/NATO exercise in the exact same area is a bit of a coincicence.
I doubt German intelligence services have not investigated all this and are able to point the finger – motive, means and opportunity. What European governments do about this remains to be seen.

Posted by: marcjf | Sep 28 2022 17:36 utc | 74

U.S. Congress approved a $12 billion package of aid for Ukraine to cover for the first quarter of fiscal 2023 (which starts October 1). Over $4 billion of that is designated for the Ukraine government’s basic operating expenses for next 3 months.
https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2022/09/27/congress-to-vote-on-123-billion-ukraine-aid-package/
Appropriations to Ukraine by US gov since February have now exceeded Russia’s entire defence budget for the year.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 28 2022 17:47 utc | 76

@60 GreyRaven
Here in Germany, currently the inflation rate of daily items is up to 50%. Next year is going to be very hard for many Germans.
I think that there will be a new government in Germany in the next year. Once the average German figures out that the Greens were doing everything possible to hurt them, that party reverts back to it’s core constituency at 5%. The SPD will probs not survive this.
I also think that in the medium term the US will not be able to recover from this PR-disaster anymore. Possibly also Poland.
And yes, once we have a new government, Russia and Germany can cooperate and fix the lines. The technical knowhow is obviously there.
And I hope that from then on we only see the US on it’s way out the door. It’s a f. disgusting nation.

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 28 2022 17:54 utc | 78

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 28 2022 16:58 utc | 66
The theory that the sea-water corrodes the pipes and yields them unreliable is BS. It’s probs just German Greens talking points to prevent repairs.
I worked on the installation of offshore windfarms in the North Sea. Those steel structures have so-called cathodic protection all over them, to prevent exactly this from happening, since the steel is continually in the sea water. I would be very surprised if these lines did not have that, since the concrete on the outside is not impervious, so they must have a way of deflecting the corrosion. With cathodic protection in place there is much less of a problem.

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 28 2022 18:03 utc | 80

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 28 2022 17:54 utc | 78
“And I hope that from then on we only see the US on it’s way out the door.”
* * *
Here in Austrian Alps the inflation rate has reached 9.3% and is expected to increase to 11% before the end of the year. With all respect for what the Greens were originally fighting for, the idiocy of their current position is rapidly becoming clear – both in Germany and Austria.
The U.S. and (presumably) Poland have perpetrated a massive, self-inflicted catastrophe upon themselves, due to the perennial idiocy both countries so blatantly demonstrate. I agree that eventually a pragmatic and workable cooperation between Germany and the Russian Federation can develop.
At that point the U.S. will be out of the door of Europe entirely and Germany will never make the same mistakes twice again. This is a lesson the U.S. has failed to realize.
Let the Americans steep in their own lunacy until someone puts them out of their misery.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 28 2022 18:19 utc | 82

It is amazing that Russian responses to this sabotage are so weak.
Now, The West knows it can be even more aggressive.

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 18:29 utc | 84

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 28 2022 18:33 utc | 85
Makes zero sense.
Why destroy your leverage?
Why destroy your leverage in NATO waters?

Posted by: WJ | Sep 28 2022 18:35 utc | 86

Poland urges its citizens to leave Russia and not travel there
Intel Slava Z
🇪🇪🇷🇺⚡Estonia urges its citizens to leave Russia and not travel there
Intel Slava Z
🇷🇴🇧🇬🇷🇺⚡Romania and Bulgaria urge their citizens to leave Russia immediately

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 28 2022 18:36 utc | 88

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 18:29 utc | 84
“It is amazing that Russian responses to this sabotage are so weak.”
* * *
Dude, you have ostensibly succumbed to your “trollist” demands for immediate gratification.
That is not the way the Russian Federation works. Without question, the price will be fully paid, but the Russians will decide upon when, where and who.
You can be assured, that the penalty will be surprising, painful and, presumably, deeply embarrassing.
It will be like getting massively kicked in the balls with all your girlfriends watching.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 28 2022 18:39 utc | 90

91 Cont’d–
Not that it matters, but public opinion here in Outlaw US Empire would be very decisively against war with Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 18:48 utc | 92

I have to wonder, if only slightly, because of the USA’s ill-prepared non-response to the pipeline attack, that it is some rogue or unsanctioned action.
Okay, wondering over.
I always find it funny when folks start handing out iodine pills. Like handing out a band-aid for a beheading.

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 28 2022 18:56 utc | 94

IMO, the latest developments in the Baltic Sea, if confirmed ( still no official western precise damage assessment , which is for the least curious ) would be very far reaching (as already mentioned by barflies on this blog). they may put a term to the latest hype on distributed international energy conduits be it for oil, gas, electricity, etc … and especially using undersea assets.
Generalized use of remote controlled/Autonomous anonymous ( false flag bearers) vehicles jeopardizes any sustainable stable energy providing and distribution environment.
Imagine what would have happened if the Baltic sea damage occured in plain winter freeze season. It looks like a first warning to change course of investments ?

Posted by: Go Figure | Sep 28 2022 18:59 utc | 96

Posted by: Bismarck | Sep 28 2022 15:09 utc | 33
Isnt that the truth of every war that the US has involved itself in. Self sabotage and blame the other guy. the only issue here is that there is a potential rouge group amongst the US cabal that decided not to clue in the other members in case they may balk at such a reckless step. Rest assured that no actor outside the US will have done this act without the blessing of some high ups at DC or Langley. The Polish ex Foreign Minister just thanked the US in a recent tweet
As far as the gas bubbling is concerned. It is an unfortunate aspect of undersea pipelines that the gas pressure inside is actually used to preserve the integrity of the pipe fighting against the seas pressure at the bottom. It is easier to crush an empty pipe than one with product inside, just like a can of drink is easier to squeeze when empty. This is why the NS” was pressurised even when it was not transmitting gas. The Russian will have to shut it down now leading to water ingress and potentially loss of the entire pipe for a considerable distance. In an ordinary situation the pipeline owners would be able to quickly deploy a clamp to cover a leak but since these were definitely explosives the damage will be too geat to put what is essentially a bandage around a leak. Whoever did this wanted to make sure that even in 3 years the pipes would not get fixed, They really wanted to hurt the Germans for years not months.
Talking about hurting the Germans, I read somewhere that the Germans are contractually obliged to pay Russia a certain amount of money for the gas in NS2 even when they are not taking any. This is a common feature of most gas sales contracts, to protect the investor in said infrastructure. So in essence the Germans are being double fucked as they owe Russia for the gas even when they are not taking it as the fault for not using the gas comes entirely from their side, The Russians will be wanting their money I’m sure somewhere down the line. It truly is a tragedy for Germany. After their economy tanks, the US investors will be itching to buy shares in their jewel companies like Daimler Benz, VW BMW, Bosch for pennies on the dollar. It truly is fatal be be a US ally as Kissinger said.

Posted by: DaVinci | Sep 28 2022 19:02 utc | 98

Posted by: marko | Sep 28 2022 18:29 utc | 84
At this stage, it’s up to the EU, especially Germany, to at least change their diplomatic position and start speaking out against this American orchestrated attack on the whole of the EU. What measures should RF take to support EU gas delivery when, for whatever reason, Stepan Borrell and von der Bandera are effectively party (after the fact) to the sabotage and interpret it as yet another opportunity to spit on RF.
Supposedly there are some high level US-RF doomsday negotiations going on behind the scenes but who knows.
What we can see suggests that RF has escalated on its side by switching to referenda and formal integration of liberated territory that wants it. RF is mobilising to secure liberated territory and free up the real military for frontline duties. RF has also adopted the Iranian Shahed 136, which seems to have cause quite a stir on the pro-UA side.
If we step back for a second, cutting the pipelines was a likely US escalation if they couldn’t get what they want on the Ukrainian front … Biden’s words from just before SMO suggest as much.
EU compradors are going along with it because that’s what compradors do.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 28 2022 19:14 utc | 100