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September 26, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-158
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Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 27 2022 0:57 utc | 91
I suspect the Russians are going to conserve all their nuclear weapons, tactical or strategic for the final Armageddon.
Unlike the Americans, the Russians actually do have an aversion to using such a weapon on human beings, especially those they regard as related and especially in such close proximity to their own borders. It was never an option.
These persistent, overt and covert suggestions by the US that Russia might use *nuclear weapons is part of the standard arsenal of mindf**kery employed to demonize the opponent, and entertainment of the notion by the public is merely a symptom of how effective this mindf**kery is.
It’s also projection, looking back at the history of American conflicts one gets the impression the US would have liked to use nuclear weapons as an “easy out” for all it’s wars but never really could (outside of Japan). It projects this fantasy onto it’s most feared opponent because that is what occupies it’s thoughts on a daily basis.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 27 2022 1:43 utc | 101
@ Posted by: marko | Sep 26 2022 19:27 utc | 20
I am like you and I don’t quite understand the military plans of Russia. I think we are in a very thick fog of war right now; I wouldn’t let any information filter out if I were in the place of Russia and that is what I expect of them.
I think Russia has been in a process of developing it’s military capabilities during the last years and the current SMO provides Russian planner with opportunities to prioritize their development efforts. Maybe they need to refine their logistics for a massive deployment.
I also think that when things get more serious some satellites will fall from the skies and enemy communication jamming (including anti-anti-EW devices) will become a priority over such a wide front line.
I am sure Putin and Lavrov knew beforehand that enforcing their red lines would be costly for Russia. However they courageously faced the challenge thrown at them by the Western Club and they are learning as a result. I am confident that the courage of Russia will prevail eventually but that won’t be an easy task to push back the enemy and to pacify the whole of Ukraine.
Since I expect less reliable information to get trough while Russia is getting fully organized, I don’t follow the SMO very closely these days.
Posted by: Richard L | Sep 27 2022 1:47 utc | 102
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 26 2022 18:21 utc | 10
Did NATO build new housing for the broken statelets of Yugoslavia?
…
I can’t remember.
I remember. I was in Africa at the time. Africans looked with pity upon the misery of eastern Europeans for at least a decade after.
Imagine that? NATO turned the Baltics into their own White Congo for a time …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 27 2022 1:50 utc | 103
In Ukraine the signposts point to terror.
“On Sunday, Ukrainian terrorists tried to organize an attack on the observer group using American HIMARS missiles.”
from anti-spiegel.ru with my apologies for using tinyurl.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 27 2022 1:54 utc | 104
…. That the sabotaging of the NS2 and probably the NS1 signals that someone was about to break ranks and ask for more Gas. Precipitating a collapse of the 1000 plus sanctions nasty self inflicted destruction for Europe…..
Stonebiird seems to be right on this one
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2022 2:00 utc | 105
So, no one here can quote a single estimate of the number of West-Ukrainian tanks involved in the “great West-Ukrainian offensive” east of Kharkov. No one can point to an article where some estimate is made.
The real reason for this?
The East-Ukrainians (The Luhansk & Donetsk People’s Republic forces) and Russians were ordered to withdraw from the whole area.
The West-Ukrainians made a few small attacks on the withdrawing East-Ukrainians and the lying media turned these into a massive Ukrainian victory.
Two questions; Who ordered the East-Ukrainians and Russians to withdraw?
And why did they choose to do it at a time when the West-Ukrainians were absolutely desperate for a distraction because of their disastrous losses in the south.
I still wait for an estimate of the number of Ukrainian tanks involved in the “great West-Ukrainian offensive.”
Even an order of magnitude guess.
Was it 10 tanks, or 100 tanks, or 1000 tanks, or 10000 tanks?
Posted by: Jack | Sep 27 2022 2:05 utc | 106
Posted by: Jack | Sep 27 2022 2:05 utc | 106
Last time i will feed you troll, but has it ever occurred to you that Russia almost never does what is expected. It is part of their strategy. So if they are deliberately doing unexpected things to confound their enemies, why do you think us barflies sitting at our laptops or PCs in far off lands will have a clue.
Of course there are some here will real expertise and they may have a clue, but they would think better than to feed trolls.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 2:13 utc | 107
NS1 and NS2 both decide to spring a leak at the same time. hmmmm
Posted by: hankster | Sep 27 2022 2:15 utc | 108
So, no one here can quote a single estimate of the number of West-Ukrainian tanks involved in the “powder smuggle” for the big guy in Kiev. No one can point to an article where some estimate is made.
The real reason for this?
The West Russians (The Luhansk & Donetsk People’s Republic forces) don’t give a shit how much blow he gets.
The Nazi’s made a few small attacks in the general direction of the Russians but mostly they just died.
Two questions; Who pays for these trolls and wanna be propagandists? Are they just sick – warped by the covid death jab that they bowed down to? Or is the answer darker. More sinister?
And why did they choose to do it at a time when the Russians were laughing at them?
I still wait for an estimate of the number of Ukrainian tanks involved in the “great powder smuggle offensive.”
Even an order of magnitude guess.
Was it 10 tanks, or 100 tanks, or 1000 tanks, or 10000 tanks?
And how many keys per tank?
Posted by: Just Observing | Sep 27 2022 2:23 utc | 109
Posted by aristodemos @9:33 p.m. CST:
The Eye of the Hurricane
Quiet thread compared with yesterday. Perhaps this situation is the classical lull before the storm. With the results of the Referenda becoming more and more positive that the peoples of the four formerly Ukraine SSR oblasts have come to the conclusion that the puppet regime in Kiev is toxic and does not represent their best interests and even those of the core speakers of the Ukrainian dialect of the greater Russian language.
For months now, my position that the leftovers from the Bolshevik and Soviet administrative appendings to Ukraine SSR, since the Maidan coup has developed into a Frankenstein Monster. Frankenstein’s lab experiment centered on producing his “golem” by adding bits and pieces of various dead bodies. The analogy is apt and quite close to the truth of the situation.
The current entity, which calls itself Ukraine not only lacks internal cohesion, but in deep contrast to the Russian Federation does all it can to destroy all of those majority “minority” cultures within their conceptualization of a totally nationalist Ukraine, with special credit given to the least adhesive of all those majority “minorities”, the Uniate Catholic, westernized and Bandarista leaders of the longtime Polish/Lithuanian and latterly Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia.
Perhaps this lull in the storm may be better equated with the eye of the hurricane when considering the underlying realities of the Empire of Lies, the puppet regimes in the Di$trict of Corruption along with the NATOstani EU puppet regimes; both entities being ruled from the top by the financial elite cabal centered in City of London and seconded by Wall $treet.
Based upon a neocolonialist and highly parasitical and greed-based lust for more and more profits to be dragged out of the resources of other lands; the ruling financial cabal has long had its sights on the greatest and most diverse accumulation of natural resources on the planet, the Russian Federation of what is it, six time zones stretching from the Baltic coast to the Bering Strait.
As Western mass mindfuck propaganda media would have it, this conflict is one between near total evil in the driver’s seat on one hand and on the other an opposing force which is closer to civilized human values than those of their sworn enemies. However, the minderbinder media’s pilpul transvaluation of values has this agon between near total evil and its polar opposite, precisely bass-ackwards.
So the war is in a very real sense, existential. Will the Vampire Squid continue to crush all opposition and come to rule the entire planet, as is the Babylonian Talmudist ethos… or will an awakened and revitalized multipolar vision triumph?
That underlying question is the Eye of the Hurricane.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 27 2022 3:03 utc | 110
Further developing the idea that the Americans are planning a nuclear false flag to blame on Russia…
I suspect the American false flag would be most likely to use a low yield nuclear device on a Ukrainian bunker near the line of contact.
Their goal is to get the countries like India and Saudi Arabia off the fence to take NATO’s side. So it has to be at least believable on the face. The Russians would never nuke a city full of Russians and relatives of Russians such as Kiev, or even Lvov. But if a low yield tactical device is used on a deeply entrenched bunker, that is a story they might be able to sell to the watching world.
When the Soviet Union collapsed the Americans obtained a significant amount of Soviet plutonium and also “helped” to demilitarize quite a few older Soviet nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons leave a unique isotope signature that allows the identification of the source material, and therefore the source country.
I expect the US false flag would use a low yield weapon made with material obtained from the Soviet Union. They only need a big enough bang for the radioisotopes to register on sensors around Europe and then blame the Russians, and deploy whatever psyop plan they have prepared.
MH-17 was a false flag that they deployed right as the pro-Russian separatists were winning. I would expect this nuclear false flag to be timed to steal the thunder from a major Russian victory. Thus it would not surprise me to see it happen in the next 8 weeks.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 3:07 utc | 111
Just Observing @ 109; Wouldn’t it be easier just to find an estimate of the number of West-Ukrainian tanks involved in the “great West-Ukrainian offensive” east of Kharkov.
Posted by: Jack | Sep 27 2022 3:13 utc | 112
Ukraine telegram channels.
https://t.me/s/legitimniy
Our source reports that many predict a tactical nuclear weapon attack on the Yavoriv training ground near Lviv, which is often visited by Western instructors and mercenaries.
The first strike will be indicative and preventive, and therefore it will be closer to Poland, as the main one who wants to take the lands of Western Ukraine for himself under the guise (especially Lviv, which they consider their own).
https://t.me/s/rezident_ua
MI6 passed intelligence to the President’s Office and the General Staff that tactical nuclear weapons attacks will be carried out to demonstrate intentions to the West, and some of the targets are located near the border of Poland. It will be impossible to shoot down the missiles, and hypersonic weapons will be used for strikes.
Perfect setup for a perfidious albion false flag
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 27 2022 3:16 utc | 113
German government thinks that the pressure loss in different pipelines cannot be a coincidence – they say that it was either done by Ukrainians – or by Russia as a false flag to make Ukraine look bad.
Am I the only German that remembers the Polish statements saying it would be best to blow up NS2 to make sure that Germany doesn’t start using it? Not to mention the US and the three Baltic statelets who all have better capabilities to sabotage pipelines in the Baltic Sea than Ukraine does?
I forget. Those are our friends and allies, and above suspicion. Ukraine, too. It must be the Russians.
Posted by: Martina | Sep 27 2022 3:24 utc | 114
Wasn’t Yavoriv already hit with missiles during Biden’s visit in Poland? Killed hundreds of mercenaries. These retards can’t get their own propaganda right
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 3:24 utc | 115
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 27 2022 3:16 utc | 113
Watch the wind direction!
They dare not do it when the fall out would head to Poland. It is not on today anyway.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 3:25 utc | 116
Peter
It seems to me that it is the UK which plans this, not the USA. They have a government of Russophobic fools.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 3:27 utc | 117
I concur with those who believe that the constant fear-mongering about Russia’s use of a tactical nuclear device is possibly a set up to a false flag. The US or UK will detonate a huge bomb (it need not even be nuclear), claim that Russia has detonated a tactical nuke, and then use this claim to….what? Here is where I don’t follow….
What would the US do in response? It might try to insert NATO into the war, but then its airbases all across Europe would get pummeled and its carrier fleets would be destroyed. Does it then escalate to nuclear attack? Well, if it does then we’re all dead.
Apart from guaranteeing our mutual destruction, I really don’t see what escalatory measures the US has against Russia that (a) won’t be immediately countered by Russia in a way that is terribly embarrassing to the US or (b) won’t lead to nuclear escalation on the part of both parties and hence mutual assured destruction.
Or are the US State neocons so crazy they don’t believe in MAD?
Posted by: WJ | Sep 27 2022 3:38 utc | 118
FWIW all this USA talk and hype about RF using nukes in Ukraine is, in reality, a massive PR talk up because I do believe citizens of EU are more pro Russia than is being let on.
Also, the ROW is supporting Russia. So, I think the USA are in major PR drive to demonise Russia in order to turn ROW against them.
Let’s be clear on this, there is only one country in the world that used a Nuke at a point in a war they were losing with Japan and that of course us the USA.
Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 27 2022 3:40 utc | 119
@Jack 13
My understanding, from a broad range of sources on both sides:
1) The Allies withdrew their police patrols who had guarded the region, and functional equipment in good order, escorting civilians who wished to be evacuated into the liberated territories of the Donbas.
2) The undisciplined Ukrainian forces rushed in behind the retreating allied forces in light vehicles, including civilians cars, carrying only personal and squad arms. According to a number of Ukrainian personnel, the advancing Ukrainian soldiers were not in contact with any allies forces.
3) Hoping to take advantage of the advance, the Ukraine rushed in military equipment and reinforcements, including murdering militia who killed people accused of having cooperated with Russia.
4) Russia took advantage of the opportunity created by the exposed Ukrainian advance, to reduce the Ukrainian equipment and personnel involved in the advance, with artillery, missile and aerial attacks. See the daily MOD briefings for d tails.
5) As usual, the Ukraine claimed the slaughter of their troops and loss of their equipment as a great victory, and this was repeated so frequently by the OMM (Oligarch Managed Media) that a few ignorant, naive, delusional and stupid people began to engage in wish fulfilment, that despite the OMM’s inglorious record of contradicting all evidence and sense, these claims might, for the first time ever, be accurate.
Posted by: Hermit | Sep 27 2022 3:42 utc | 120
Example of a paid troll asking inane irrelevant question repeatedly. Might as well say how come nobody has counted the sand grains on the beach.
Saker has implemented a Comment registration that has largely weeded out the US/UK trolls. MOA is a one man operation without moderators to do the cleaning up.
Time for b to be proactive in keeping his bar clean from cockroaches.
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 27 2022 3:43 utc | 121
Martina | Sep 27 2022 3:24 utc | 114
I don’t remember who in Germany said a few weeks ago that NS should be taken appart. Anyway, it’s too strange for a coincidence. Because of sanctions I don’t think repairs will be allowed even if Gazprom wanted to.
Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 3:07 utc | 111
They’ve set their own strategy this way, now they’ll discover how dumb it was. “Slow is best” only attracts terrorism and does nothing else. Also, nato can hit a few npps inside Russia with weapons sent to Ukr. This could explain zely’s interest in areas closer to border
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 3:49 utc | 122
Now I am not a proponent of violence, but I am of justice. In my dreams i wish for a rebellious event sometime in December- perhaps at Xmas, nice cold windy day. The German Bundestag is seized and all are forced to ride on bicycles 25 km up a few hills, led of course by the Greens. Once entering a villa of some sort (poorly insulated), each is required to take a nice cold shower to get rid of the sweat from their ride. They are given towels to dry themselves and served a nice cold meal (cannot waste energy on cooking), so some fruit (seasonal and local of course) maybe apples, some nuts etc. After that they are herded into a recreation room (heating to 16 degrees) and allowed to play board games or read – by candle light. At night they are each given a mattress, pillow and blanket and allowed to sleep – no overnight heating of course. In the morning another nice cold breakfast (no bread because gas is too scarce for baking). then they will be allowed to cycle home.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 4:01 utc | 123
@ Surferket | Sep 27 2022 3:43 utc | 121
b has enough to do… we need posters to smarten up..
Posted by: james | Sep 27 2022 4:02 utc | 124
Arch Bungle [98]
Tell your friend „Jack“ to listen to Col Douglas McGregor who stated UKR used 10-20 tanks plus 40 Technicals and the area had 2000 DPR and Rosgvardiya personnel facing 40,000 UKR troops and do withdrew for artillery to deal with UKR
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 27 2022 4:38 utc | 125
What I find remarkable is that now that Russia is, in effect, fighting literally NATO/US, that they haven’t been more direct in questioning the narrative of what essentially set this present crisis in motion. Namely, the 9/11 pretext to refashion the Middle East and if not possible destroy it. How this same treatment was then almost in the manner of a formulaic recipe applied against Libya and Syria, as Wesley Clark announced would happen.
So it’s fairly clear this impossible to miss pattern motivated Russia to intervene in Syria and now in Ukraine, because it perceived that the falling dominoes were headed its way by way of loss of Crimea and indeed eradication of its age-long civilizatioal influence in Ukraine. Yet Russia has apparently not delved into the strangeness of the 9/11 event itself: i.e. the convenient fortuitousness of it all for the neoconservative grand plan. I wonder why that is?
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 27 2022 4:56 utc | 126
There’s another possibility of why NS1 and NS2 suddenly sprung a leak.
Natural gas wells can’t easily be turned off – that’s why there’s a huge gas flare in Russia next to where NS2 goes under the Baltic sea.
I was in Moscow last week, and a senior Russian engineer I met explained to me that the metal of the gas flare is degrading and won’t last much longer. It wasn’t designed to be a gas flare of this size (there’s a lot of gas being flared there).
I suspect a Russian submarine made holes in NS1 and NS2 so they could discharge the gas into the Baltic sea instead of flaring it.
So keep an eye on the gas flare – if the flare goes out, this will show that Russia is pumping this gas into NS1 and NS2 so it will bubble out near Denmark.
And the Greens in Germany will go crazy, since natural gas (methane) is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 27 2022 5:01 utc | 127
Ludovic #126
Yet Russia has apparently not delved into the strangeness of the 9/11 event itself: i.e. the convenient fortuitousness of it all for the neoconservative grand plan. I wonder why that is?
BS
Read John Helmer, dances with bears blog.
Please do some research before you vomit in the bar, it puts people off their martinis.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 27 2022 5:11 utc | 128
Why all the pointless talk about nukes?
Larry Summers might be discussing something of immediate value to the conjecture that wont be flushed. I want to try to help the folks who have never worked as an analyst at the CIA understand why the current organization is virtually useless. It boils down to this very simple fact–CIA analysts now work in Mission Centers alongside with CIA operations officers and intelligence analysis takes a back seat to operational priorities.
I imagine that the operations clowns just want to get it all over with one way or the other and, as they are the most egotistical, they just keep pumping BS into the ear of every listener. The war drags on, and the operations dudes are hating every month of it 😉
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 27 2022 5:23 utc | 129
Posted by: james | Sep 27 2022 4:02 utc | 124
“we need posters to smarten up..”
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 27 2022 5:49 utc | 130
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 27 2022 5:23 utc | 129
Don’t know if you read the article on the 39th anniversary yesterday of Petrov’s decision NOT to abide by Soviet SOP in the wake of the false alarms on Sept 26th 1983 but I was only referring to ICBMs and the like. We’re closer to nuclear midnight than at any point since the CMC and Washington-London are doing their best to make it happen. Perhaps you’re referring to tactical nukes in which case I agree. No need.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 27 2022 5:51 utc | 131
In response to
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Posted by: james | Sep 27 2022 4:02 utc | 124
“we need posters to smarten up..”
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 27 2022 5:49 utc | 130
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I have been here over a decade and the core contingent of commenters have repeatedly worked to enforce civility, staying on topic and calling out the sly trolls. Frankly, I am amazed at how well it has and continues to work…..hat tip to b and our fellow civilized humans.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2022 6:00 utc | 132
@114 Martina
good point. I was thinking US Navy Seals/SAS or mossad.
Posted by: grippo | Sep 27 2022 6:24 utc | 133
Some Swiss (ex) army guy gives an accurate sitrep about 404.
He too sees an impotent rump UA in the end.
https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kurzanalyse-Referenden-im-Osten-der-Ukraine.pdf
Sorry – only in German.
Posted by: Goingo | Sep 27 2022 6:36 utc | 134
@WJ wrote: “Apart from guaranteeing our mutual destruction, I really don’t see what escalatory measures the US has against Russia that (a) won’t be immediately countered by Russia in a way that is terribly embarrassing to the US or (b) won’t lead to nuclear escalation on the part of both parties and hence mutual assured destruction.”
Ah, but you are missing both the objective and the fact that there is a loophole.
The objective of a nuclear false flag would be to get India, Saudi Arabia and the other countries sitting on the fence, to take NATO’s side against Russia, and enforce the sanctions.
The loophole is that while Russia would definitely respond to a nuclear attack on its own territory with a nuclear counter-attack, however, a nuclear detonation in Ukraine, far from the line of contact, on territory that is undisputedly Ukrainian, would not trigger the Russian nuclear counter-attack. So this is the MAD loophole. The objective is not to start nuclear war, but to accuse Russia of starting nuclear war.
And here is an even more clever way they might make it look like Russia did it.
Set up a nuclear device in a Ukrainian bunker or ammo depot somewhere in the West that has previously been receiving Western munitions and foreign mercs. Once the bomb is in place to be remotely detonated, the Ukrainian SBU deliberately leaks to Russian ears that a weapons shipment will be arriving at that location at certain date and time. Then wait for the Kinzhal strike. When the Kinzhal hits, press the remote detonator and boom! Russia just nuked Ukraine with a Khinzal missile gets splashed all over the MSM.
This might be successful in getting India and Saudi Arabia to agree to sanctions.
The question is – how could Russia defend against such a dastardly false flag?
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 6:52 utc | 135
@WJ, getting India to enforce sanctions is definitely an objective. But getting Russia kicked off the UN Security Council is probably a much higher objective. To do that they would have to persuade a majority of the UNGA to vote to do that. They’ve gotten pretty good at staging false flags, like MH-17 and immediately using MSM to blame Russia for it before any facts can be ascertained. In the heat of that emotional moment, they ask for a vote at the UNGA to sanction Russia. I think their goal would be to remove Russia from the security council.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 6:58 utc | 136
How will things change in Ukraine in the near future (this year)? Obviously, this weeks inclusion of the 4 provinces into Russia will be a major event, followed by the new doctrine of the war: Russia is now defending its own territory.
But, will things remain the same in the rest of Ukraine? In my opinion it is very likely we will see Zelensky dumped soon. Why was General Zaluzhny on the front page of Time? Someone commented that Zaluzhny had studied alongside General Gerasimov and considered him very smart?
I don’t give Zelensky much time in office after October 1st.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2022 6:58 utc | 137
I find Dima overly dramatic. Look at the situation from the Ukrainian peoples perspective.They were sold the ‘victory’ of Kharkov ,only a week or so later for 4 more regions to go ‘irrevocably’ to Russia. Can’t imagine they will be happy about that. In hindsight it’s clear by comparing the level of fortification in Kherson and Kharkov,the ‘plan’ was to draw the Ukrainians north by offering an exploiatable breach. According to Col. D McGreggor,this PR/optics win came at a heavy price,even though the Russians had withdrawn ‘in good order’. Once Ukraine shot its bolt,the referenda were re-announed and quickly completed. Ultimately Ukraine and the west have been caught flat footed on this occasion and what looked like a tactical victory,may have became a mortal blow. While America may be gungho about Nukes.Europe not so much ,since its their back yard.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 6:59 utc | 138
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 6:52 utc | 135
Interesting theory. That would also explain why the Poles started handing out iodine tablets to their population. They become sacrificial lambs in this Nato nuclear stunt. I guess it could be the next attempt of an “MH-17”.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 27 2022 7:14 utc | 139
A persistent NATO troll was bragging by insinuations that the Russians are not able to inflict significant damage on the Nazi invincible war machine.
Here’s a Saker article with data from Russia. Essentially Russia has already wiped out most of the Nazi original hardware at the start of SMO and is eating on the flow of NATO supplies, and that includes jets and drones.
Russia IS fighting NATO in every detail. Right down to the “mercenaries” who end up as on “unpaid” leave.
Don’t be surprised that even the Nazi Migs are flown by Baltic NATO pilots.
“According to Shoigu, Ukraine has lost 61,207 killed and 49,368 wounded (a total of 110,575 casualties) from an initial military strength of 201-202 thousand. The caveat to that that the Ukraine has conscripted hundreds of thousands of men into territorial defence units since the start of the conflict. That’s greater than a ten-to-one ratio of Ukrainian to Russian casualties
Shoigu also said that over the previous three weeks — since the launch of Kiev’s counter-offensives in Kherson and Kharkov — the Ukrainians had lost more than 7,000 men and 970 pieces of heavy equipment, including 208 tanks, 245 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), 186 other armoured vehicles, 15 aircraft and four helicopters.
That amounts to about 60 per cent of the roughly 350 tanks, and three-quarters of the 328 IFVs, supplied by Western countries since February 24. If one lumps armoured personnel carriers (APCs) in with IFVs, Shoigu is still talking about 30 per cent losses of NATO-supplied heavy armour.”
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 27 2022 7:19 utc | 140
“Tell your friend Jack to listen to Col Douglas McGregor who stated UKR used 10-20 tanks plus 40 Technicals”
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,…
I don’t believe Col Douglas McGregor said anything so ridiculous.
Posted by: Jack | Sep 27 2022 7:22 utc | 141
@♣127 Contrarian_Ed
“I was in Moscow last week, and a senior Russian engineer I met explained to me that the metal of the gas flare is degrading and won’t last much longer. ”
Wow, a “senior Russian engineer” wastes his time with a paid keyboard troll like yourself.
Posted by: grits | Sep 27 2022 7:29 utc | 142
And if Col Douglas McGregor did actually say that the UKR used 10-20 tanks plus 40 Technicals for the “great West-Ukrainian offensive” then it was a tiny little attack, and would have never forced the East-Ukrainians and Russians to withdraw.
Posted by: Jack | Sep 27 2022 7:31 utc | 143
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 27 2022 7:19 utc | 140
There have been multiple sources, I even saw some Polish one that main battle tanks (namely T-72) from the Warsaw Pact have almost run out. They now send some Slovenian variant of the T-55, called M-55, which uses Nato caliber shells which Ukraine does not have.
That is a massive achievement for the Russian military to “de-tankize” Ukraine, which was the most well equipped Soviet SSR and the whole Warsaw Pact inventory. Nato is simply unable to replace even a fraction within the time frame we are talking about this war potentially lasting. Running out of fuel and economy going into major global recession. Well, they could strip the US military active units of tanks for sure.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 27 2022 7:33 utc | 144
Hello barflies, here is an example of German brainwash which deserves both a place in the history books and in the criminal records for future trials involving the guillotine. Source is RND (Editorial Network Germany) whose biggest limited partner is the SPD, the party of Olaf Scholz.
Lavrov’s Lies
source [machine translation, my emphasis]
Speaking to the United Nations, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claimed that the people of Eastern Ukraine want to belong to Russia. The Russian occupying power is currently conducting a sham referendum there by force of arms. …But a 2021-2022 poll by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) refutes Lavorv’s claims and exposes them as propaganda. According to the representative poll, only 10 percent of respondents in Donetsk, 12 percent in Luhansk, 6 percent in Kherson and 7 percent in Zaporizhia wanted Ukraine to join Russia. More than 80 percent spoke out against it.
The article links to this KIIS report and refers to graph 4 there. However, the disclaimer in RND’s imprint reads “…Despite careful content control, we assume no liability for the content of external links. The operators of linked websites are solely responsible for their content…”. I would like to know two things: What methodology did the Kiew Institute apply to arrive at the claim that the poll is “representative”, and how did RND’s “careful content control” look in this particular case? They better document it. After all, back to the introduction, …the guillotine might wait.
Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2022 7:38 utc | 145
Iran is saying “America will pay a price” for trying to destabilise it’s government. Did Russia just score some free drones?
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 7:40 utc | 146
Isn’t Zaluzhny the one who said about 2 weeks ago that they’ll go 2000km inside Russia in 2023? He’s as puppet as Zely, Duda, Maya and the rest. And natural retards.
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 7:41 utc | 147
Zaluzhny wanted 30 fully eqipped brigades before making a move. If you had 30 fully equipped brigades it ‘could’ happen. But would you ever be able to accumulate and stage that material? Highly unlikely. With the addition of 300,000 reservists dispatched to ‘New Russia’ the one advantage Ukraine had will disappear.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 7:50 utc | 148
LOL the germans being played again!
Germany suspects ‘targeted attack’ on Russian gas pipeline – media
and suspects a “targeted attack” from either Ukraine or Russia
https://swentr.site/business/563580-nord-stream-suspected-attack/
Most likely it is not Ukraine and obviously not Russia but US/UK/Nato forces, they have those capabilities and wishes to destroy any resumption of the Germany/Russian gas pipeline!
Posted by: Zanon | Sep 27 2022 7:54 utc | 149
@rk | Sep 27 2022 7:41 utc | 147
Isn’t Zaluzhny the one who said about 2 weeks ago that they’ll go 2000km inside Russia in 2023? He’s as puppet as Zely, Duda, Maya and the rest. And natural retards.
Zelensky will be replaced by another puppet, for sure. Zaluzhny or someone else. Zelensky will be blamed for losing the war, that is the main point.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2022 7:58 utc | 150
@Zanon | Sep 27 2022 7:54 utc | 149
Most likely it is not Ukraine and obviously not Russia but US/UK/Nato forces, they have those capabilities and wishes to destroy any resumption of the Germany/Russian gas pipeline!
Obviously. I consider it a military attack on the pipeline.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2022 8:05 utc | 151
@123 watcher
Dream on. Most greens drive the latest car models/limos, and live in the upper class neigbourhoods. Most have good incomes and personal savings/inheritance. Greens garner most of their support from government bureaucrats and the affluent who have the most secure employment situation in the country.
Posted by: grits | Sep 27 2022 8:05 utc | 152
Ukraine Refugees in Germany ?
In the population it boils!
.
Come here go to the Flixbus station and see for yourself!
I won’t say more about it…
Flixbus goes directly to Ukraine…or put another way
Direct connection “Employment Office to Kyiv”
Thousands of Ukrainians who never had or have a residence in DE, just get money !!!
Come here once a month go to the bank / shop and then back to Ukraine !!!!!
Authorities do NOT check your place of residence (rental contract, etc.) only a bank account in Germany has to be given, so each single person collects around €580, each family with 2 children up to €1,600.00 (no one checks whether these children exist, a fake certificate is enough and it doesn’t have to be translated be ! )
.
Take a look for yourself at Flixbus Online…
Select a ride Berlin -Kiev and that pops up
” Trip is already fully booked ”
Fully booked for weeks !!!!!!!
Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 27 2022 8:06 utc | 153
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 4:01 utc | 123
Excellent!
Posted by: jpc | Sep 27 2022 8:12 utc | 154
Interesting.
From day one. If you seek full-on fake news and ‘z’ graded propaganda concerning country 404. All one has to do is tune into the CIA’s ever reliable well known propaganda outlet since 1949. Radio Free Europe/Freedom Radio.
In the 21st century, we see the rise of internet trolls. To see which troll competes to do better at generating fake news and fake videos. Allegedly from country 404. Complete with misspelled words.
Today’s effort seems to be about how many fake videos can be created about fictional Iranian suicidal drone attacks can be made to fool those who seek to be fooled.
Lest we forget long-range attacks to date from Russia Since February 24th, 2022. Are all PGMs? Why waste suicidal drones intended to destroy open-air soft military targets and soft heavy transport vehicles? The operative word is “SOFT”.
Stop and think. Question more. Why is the evidence supplied full of holes?
That which is too good to be true usually is.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 27 2022 8:15 utc | 155
Posted by: grits | Sep 27 2022 8:05 utc | 152
I think watchers point is they should live the life they preach for others to live.
Your observation about how many of the green actually live is pretty much on the money.
Wealthy middle class lefties who know better and in their minds live better than the others.
Time for Mr reality to call to them.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 27 2022 8:21 utc | 156
Re: Dima / Military Summary Channel
Stopped watching it a long time ago after Dima kept making these ridiculous claims every so often. Stuff like “once Ukraine recruits their women, Russia loses, because they will overrun Russian positions in masses”. Not surprised he comes up with nuke BS now.
The man knows no more than you and me. He runs this channel to earn a buck or two; god bless him, but there’s no real info value to be found. Some hypothesis are interesting to listen to, but most of it just turns out to be pure fantasy (last time I watched, he proclaimed the start of the Russian “tongue offensive” around Kharkov about 7-8 weeks ago … we all know how that turned out)
Save precious life time and unsubscribe. Read the Russian official statements. Read western mainstream press (= Ukrainian official statements). Read what b writes here and follow the comments. That’ll provide you with all the info you can realistically get in as little time as possible. Everything else is only known to those directly involved.
Posted by: Arminius | Sep 27 2022 8:27 utc | 157
TASS – Medvedev – Russia to not allow its hostile neighbors to have nuclear weapons / NATO will not interfere if Russia uses nuclear weapons in response to Ukrainian aggression, and Kiev must realize this to some degree / Russia has right to use nuclear weapons, if needed, based on nuclear doctrine. Liz Truss had even expressed readiness to start an exchange of nuclear strikes with Russia. The overseas [the US] and European demagogues are not going to die in a nuclear apocalypse. That is why they will swallow the use of any weapon in the current conflict / It would be good if the authorities in Kiev realized this sad conclusion at least a little bit
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 8:40 utc | 158
From IntelSlava
🇷🇺🇺🇦 On September 27, referendums on the accession of the Liberated territories of Ukraine to the Russian Federation end. And the procedure for their admission to the Russian Federation may take place on September 29. We analyze what Ukraine is losing:
▪️regions in which referendums are held have rich black soil, mineral deposits, developed industry, large economic, industrial and human potential, developed mining industry, transport and industrial infrastructure;
▪️until 2014, only Donetsk and Lugansk regions together accounted for 16% of Ukraine’s GDP;
▪️integration of agricultural regions (Zaporozhye and Kherson regions) will turn the Russian Federation into the largest player in the grain market;
▪️Odessa actually remains the only access point of Ukraine to the sea (at the same time, Odessa remains in the sphere of interests of the Russian Federation);
▪️Ukraine is losing about 9 million people, and taxpayers in uncontrolled territories will move into the Russian legal field.
As you can see, the situation is amazing, but at the same time, no one is talking about the future arrival of winter, when the lack of energy resources and other economic difficulties will force European countries to radically reconsider their policy of supporting Ukraine.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 27 2022 8:41 utc | 159
Ah, but you are missing the objective … The objective of a nuclear false flag would be to get India, Saudi Arabia and the other countries sitting on the fence, to take NATO’s side against Russia, and enforce the sanctions.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Sep 27 2022 6:52 utc | 135
Your scenario, and if your reading of the collective West’s mind is correct, their scenario too, are based on an assumption so big and so full of holes, that only a zealot or a fool would entertain such a dangerous action. The assumption is that the leaders and indeed the public in India, Saudi Arabia and other countries are as brainwashed and as big morons as the majority of the American populace, and consequently ready to swallow any false flag narrative thrown at them. These are the times when false flag operations do not fool many people any more, nothing like it was possible in the past. But, of course, that may not be understood by those who plan such actions, and we may still face dire consequences of Western recklessness.
Posted by: Pagan | Sep 27 2022 8:49 utc | 160
If you want to do your own analysis of this conflict, Dima is definitely worth watching, you just have to know what to watch him for. If you don’t care to do your own analysis, the combination of MoA, The Saker and Martynov’s site should be sufficient for a solid understanding.
Military Summary does offer specific information in an aggregated form that is hard to find elsewhere. information you can’t find elsewhere, unless you speak Russian.
Dima is dramatic and speculates wildly in regard to longer term events. Strategically he guesses too much. He still knows far more about some things then any other English source due to his proximity to the conflict, language skills and connections in both militaries.
Dima is part of the reason my analysis has been so spot on, you just have to know how to listen to him.
Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 27 2022 8:51 utc | 161
Posted by: grits | Sep 27 2022 7:29 utc | 142
Wow, a “senior Russian engineer” wastes his time with a paid keyboard troll like yourself.
Jeez, I have his business card and I was at a conference in Moscow (I had to fly via Istanbul). We had a nice dinner together to talk about some business opportunities.
And “paid keyboard troll” is silly – these trolls don’t get very much money per posting, and I don’t make many posts. If I was being paid per post (and if it was significant amount someone would pay me), I’d post more – duh.
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 27 2022 8:53 utc | 162
Another day another act of desperation by the zombie dead Empire.
In a war it’s normal to disrupt the enemies supply lines.
But … doing it to your own allies !! To keep them from survival options???
Who exactly benefits from this event? If a military submarine commander did this it is a war crime. If it was a private minisub it’s a crime me against humanity – either way someone has moved beyond the pale and retribution will attend them, sooner or later.
I discerned many moons ago that NS2 was built and ready to go and WOULD be used for this coming winter – REGARDLESS of the war situation. The Russians would supply emergency fuel to the Peoples of the demented West, because they know that we are just pawns of the Ancient Slave Masters , who believe they will never be anything but.
It seems that in the daily more frantic toddler tantrums – they are setting ‘their’ world on fire and leading ‘their’ slaves to doom just so that our collective freedom will be just ashes.
2 things can happen, amongst many others no doubt,
1. when you expect that LNG tanker to successfully be built, arrive at the loading terminal, transit the open sea and safely unload its nuclear explosive level of load in some European port as safely as a pipeline which offers more secure-and cheaper supply – then don’t be surprised if Murphy’s Law activates.
2. There are MANY pipelines that move much in many parts of the world… asymmetry is a bitch baby. The World Cup is coming or possibly NOT …
Know your enemy Slave , you are not a master of humanity, just because we live in the Collective Waste, a White Waste with happy smiling black and brown faces in adverts that makes them ‘equal’; your Masters own you and controls humanity through YOU!
Their days are OVER and will NEVER return – know them and usurp them and join the free humanity and free your slave self from your mental slavery to the ancient masters and their ubiquitous lies.
We are not alone, these that are fighting and defeating the Ancient Slaver Owners are holding their arms out to us to walk towards a multipolar freedom and not be sucked down with the demise of the Unipolar bastards, into their hell and grave, by remaining their meat shields. Like the daily thousands of demented Ukrops and mercenaries.
Don’t stay dumb slaves anymore – the choice is there and clear.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 27 2022 9:01 utc | 163
As winter bites and the Ukrainian economy propped up by western aid continues to tank,secession offers an alternative to any region with a Russian leaning or just indifferent population centre. It may even spread to Europe if the winters are particularly harsh this year.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 9:06 utc | 164
“The damage that occurred in one day simultaneously at three lines of offshore pipelines of the Nord Stream system are unprecedented. It is impossible to estimate the timeframe for the recovery of the gas transport infrastructure so far,” Nord Stream AG said.
This is democratic US sponsored state terrorism. Like stealing oil in Syria. Now let’s see how long before Turkstream and China pipes are blown up. Why? Because Gazprom’s profit for first half 2022 is 45b eur, 2.6x higher than first half of 2021
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 9:12 utc | 165
@163 DunGroanin
This must have been OK’ed at the highest NATO level, unless done by a NWO-crew like the mossad, who are not answerable to anyone.
So the German gov has some hard decisions to make. How to fix the pipeline is the least of them.
Posted by: grippo | Sep 27 2022 9:14 utc | 166
Turkey MIR & Ukraine Update
A very interesting article from Naked Capitalism adds more information re RF Turkey relations, with some informed comments from MK Bhadrakumar
Vis-à-vis Erdogan, MKB sums up the position of the west as one of -can’t live with him can’t shoot him
Extracts below
« Turkish exports to Russia between May and July grew by nearly 50% compared to 2021. There have been whispers about Russian industrial producers being allowed to operate out of newly established free trade zones in the Black Sea region of Turkey. »
‘Alongside, the Russian side has projected its interest to establish more free trade zones in Turkiye, signaling that Russian business will increase their investments if more of these zones are established, especially on the Black Sea coasts.’
I have also read that Turkey is a prime if not major destination for Russia grain exports which is there milled and then re exported
The article underlines the importance of Turkey as holiday destination both for rich and for less rich Russians, the oligarchs are wary of planting their cash in so far chosen alternative UAE
As an example of Turket being able to play two sides or rather host them, it is said not only Russian tourism is up, but also EU, including a migration novelty product « « the perfect way to pass the winter » » given Erdogans’s deals with PP for energy
The NC article states that Putin has said that Turkey can not join the SCO as a member of NATO, but I can find no original source for this statement (it was reported that these talks were closed door)
Erdogan’s recent proposal to host a new round of peace talks between Russia and Ukraine included the re iterated desire to collaborate with the SCO
At the same Erdogan re iterated his refusal to accpt the annexation of Crimea as he refuses to accept annexation of the DPR etc
“We will not recognize the annexation of Crimea, and we have told Russia about that. We have expressed our concerns over the referendums in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson. We made it clear we would not recognize those,” Turkey’s top diplomat warned, according to a broadcast on his Twitter page.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/us-tightens-the-screws-on-turkey-russian-payment-system-%e2%80%a8.html
https://www.newagebd.net/article/181326/turkey-to-pay-for-quarter-of-russian-gas-in-rubles-putin
https://mronline.org/2022/08/10/russia-turkey-launch-new-economic-roadmap/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/turkish-russian-presidents-hold-closed-door-talks-in-uzbekistan/2687081
https://tass.com/world/1513713
https://tass.com/world/1513483
Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 27 2022 9:21 utc | 167
Betting Putin will declare Ukraine ‘a terrorist state’ after the referendums are done and rename the SMO into “counter-terrorist operation” a-la Syria. The hints by the Russian officials (current Crimean head in particular) and the stuff taking place in Odessa sure make it likely.
Posted by: Z_- | Sep 27 2022 9:24 utc | 168
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 9:12 utc | 165
A lot of LNG pipes and facilities for export have been leaking and blowing up in the US this year, too. I wonder if that will continue.
The right counter could be to destroy the oil drilling facilities in US occupied E/NE Syria and put an end to that stealing.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 27 2022 9:24 utc | 169
So the German gov has some hard decisions to make. How to fix the pipeline is the least of them.
Posted by: grippo | Sep 27 2022 9:14 utc | 166
If the German government had unequivocal proof it’s not the Russians.
And could identify the actor’s.
They wouldn’t open their mouths.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 27 2022 9:25 utc | 170
There are 3 leaks, perfectly placed at the edge of Denmark’s border around the island, but inside economic zones of Denmark and Poland. 2 holes for NS1, 1 for NS2
Now it is impossible to exclude any option until the conclusions of experts have appeared – Dmitry Peskov
French FM is partying in Kiev today, announcing more “support”.
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 9:41 utc | 171
Zanon | Sep 27 2022 7:54 utc | 149
There is a huge financial benefit to speculators on the Dutch TTF gas trading platform to prevent any possibility of Nord Stream 1 and 2 being restarted by popular demand from the European public. The last thing they would want is a sudden drop in gas contract values caused by an increase in supply.
Posted by: Cyberhorse | Sep 27 2022 9:46 utc | 172
First a drop in pressure in NS2, now a leak found on NS1:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/
So both pipelines are found leaking in a matter of days. The Baltic Sea is quite shallow, average depth around 50 Meters, so not that easy to do, but also not impossible to conduct an operation to damage undersea pipelines, even at a private contractor level.
If it’s sabotage, then by whom? Is it a NATO plot, Russian or some other rogue activity? A number of actors could have plausible reasons. Is Russia trying to accelerate Europe’s crisis, Ukraine punish Germany for not supplying more weapons… or is it part of a US plan to really throw the boot into Germany and Europe?
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 9:47 utc | 173
DunGroanin | Sep 27 2022 9:01 utc | 163
I discerned many moons ago that NS2 was built and ready to go and WOULD be used for this coming winter – REGARDLESS of the war situation
Yeah, likewise, and this latest incident suggests to me that its inauguration was drawing near…
Posted by: john | Sep 27 2022 9:58 utc | 174
@ Posted by: james | Sep 27 2022 1:12 utc | 93
The words ‘fascism’ and ‘far right’ are being spread quite prematurely and inappropriately regarding Italy.
As stated the article, a large portion of the winning coalition’s base is the industrial north, small and medium businesses being hit hard by current energy prices, and long begrudging the loss of Russia as a lucrative export market since 2014.
When it comes to ‘fascist’ rule, one can make a much stronger argument in using that term when it comes to Brussels, and the way in which it has long favoured German and French companies over Italian ones. The big question remains how effective can the new coalition be in countering this trend, and how they will deal with UvDL’s ‘tools’ threats.
As for immigration, the fundamental issue in Italy is not so much skin colours, rather the significant changes seen in all major cities, particularly in the south, where once beautiful areas are infested with homelessness and crime, primarily from people fleeing wars pursued by UK, France and of course the USA, yet the refugees disproportionately end up arriving in southern European states. This is another source of grief by Italians towards the EU and NATO.
Should Meloni attempt to pursue a more independent foreign policy, a possible outcome could see China and Russia supporting Italy where the EU and Ursula turn out to be a threat, ie, in buying the Italian bonds no longer being bought by Lagarde’s ECB… at current debt to GDP ratios and low growth levels, Italy will have to find itself beholden to someone either way.
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 10:13 utc | 175
@170 jpc
why would the Russians blow up their own pipelines? Just when Putin again offered to supply gas via NS2?
Even a schoolgirl can see through your deflection.
Posted by: grippo | Sep 27 2022 10:14 utc | 176
bevin @ 73
The fascists are the ones injecting poison into a billion arms the past two years.
Fascism triumphs easily while everyone is busy fighting the last war.
Populism means popular. As in you allow little people to speak. Even when they are not corralled into correct 1930s parties chapters and cells. When you decide populism is the enemy it is you that is the enemy.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 27 2022 10:16 utc | 177
This is why the Eurocrats hate Meloni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhzpeENwxY
She is wrong about all sorts of subjects. My expectations are low enough I will not be disappointed. But this is why they hate her. She does not want a nation of slaves.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 27 2022 10:26 utc | 178
I see Kievs gone full on Nazi with latests legislative proposals. I wonder how those members of the EU that rightly castigated Trudue will react? The western narrative requires an ignorance beyond belief. Somehow the people who have been in open civil war with their government for the last 8 years, somehow have to be forced at gun point to vote?
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 10:31 utc | 179
From IntelSlava
🇪🇺⚡The energy crisis will hit like the disaster of 2009 – Bloomberg
Governments are spending hundreds of billions of euros to ease the pain of high gas prices, but that won’t stop a deep recession.
The economic damage from cutting off Russian gas supplies is mounting rapidly in Europe and could eventually eclipse the effects of the global financial crisis.
With a continent-wide recession looking imminent, a harsh winter is setting in for chemical manufacturers, steel mills and automakers, starved of essential raw materials, who, along with households, are sounding the alarm about skyrocketing energy bills.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 27 2022 10:32 utc | 180
Down South | Sep 27 2022 10:32 utc | 180
German business and industry and business people should be advised to move to Turkey, with cheap gas and oil from you know who, clement weather, plus Black Sea free trade zones being set up with ‘a major country’
Bonus -Real estate is cheaper
Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 27 2022 10:42 utc | 181
@ Posted by: grippo | Sep 27 2022 10:14 utc | 176
Why would Russians blow up their pipelines? For the same exact reason they stopped sending gas through them.
We don’t know exactly how much reserves Germany and Europe actually have, and how long they have in storage to last them through the winter. I can tell you my heating has been on since early September, it is not even cold yet, so someone clearly isn’t worried about it running out where I live, which by the way, is where most German politicians also live ;
So, for all the talk of ‘Russia has all the time in the world’ (which is total bs, otherwise, why would they mobilise 300,000 men, conduct referenda and annex areas they don’t even have 50% control over? let’s be honest, it’s a bad look even to pro-Russian supporters), perhaps it sends a signal to Germany that any calculations they made on gas storage and flows for this winter perhaps ought to be reconsidered, as should their position vis a vis Ukraine.
If you think China and India will continue to support Russia as the EU economy collapses, then i suggest you widen your research base perhaps. They both have huge investments in Europe they surely don’t want to see fail, and China particularly relies on a strong EU for its exports.
And when we speak of ‘support’, let’s not forget they are under heavy US pressure to stop buying oil from Russia, which they only get thanks to massive discounts, which by the way, one wonders how long that will last as the price keeps dropping as the economic crisis slows demand… meaning dwindling revenues ahead to support the war for Russia. Moscow stock market is down 50% this year, it just dropped around 10% just yesterday… no one is immune to such pressure.
So basically, as is said above, a number of actors could be behind this, but excluding the possibility it was Russia would be naive.
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 10:50 utc | 182
Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 10:13 utc | 175
When it comes to ‘fascist’ rule, one can make a much stronger argument in using that term when it comes to Brussels…
Yes, it seems to me that our governments, security services, and institutions in general are already chock full of nazis and fascists, that all of this misdirection is just the usual furtive antics employed by our shifty overlords.
However, of all of uncle sam’s European vassals, Italy has to date been the most obedient. Despite the superficial fawning, there is still vivid memory of the carnage wreaked by Gladio.
Posted by: john | Sep 27 2022 10:56 utc | 183
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 10:50 utc | 182
So basically, as is said above, a number of actors could be behind this, but excluding the possibility it was Russia would be naive.
And if you had to pick one, who would you go with?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 27 2022 11:01 utc | 184
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 10:50 utc | 182
I think if it were done by Russia, they would have chosen a spot not within the economic zone of hostile nations ie Denmark and Poland. They would want to be in a position to easily repair.
China stands to gain from the collapse of the German car and chemical and steel industry which is looking very likely. India too.
Moreover Germany has been making noises about detaching from China, so i cannot see that they will change their view much. For China, cheap Russian gas and an expanded export market, replacing Europe is a positive.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 27 2022 11:04 utc | 185
The internal sabotage of the great russian industrial capacities, started by the traitors around Gorbachev, is continuing. The capitalist looting of state infrastructure (civilian AND military!) goes on even with enemies on all (land and sea) borders. “Our partners” have good friends inside Russia. The positive is that a politically educated russian public, extremely patient and “legitimist” toward its leaders, sees all that, thus patriotic anger is slowly building, along with calla to rebuild a State, with all social and strategic capacities in safe hands.
Meanwhile things are bot going well, specislly regarding logistics, production and even psets of the.mobilization, despite the “cult-like” world of unicorns painted by western-based bloggers, as absurd as the delirious russophobia of BBC-CNN etc.
A partial account of the internal sabotage, going on unpunished since the nineties… Thanks God for the soviet-era stocks…
“🇬🇧 Factories, “Spetsremont” and the liquidation of defense enterprises during the NWO
Against the backdrop of numerous demands to mobilize the economy and transfer it to a military footing, the news about the bankruptcy and sale of the property of defense plants sound absolutely fantastic. This process, of course, did not begin yesterday and has been going on for several years.
But seven months after the start of the special military operation and the seemingly obvious problems with the lack of production capacities of the military-industrial complex, such processes are surprising.
The following factories are currently being liquidated:
▪️50th Automobile Repair Plant, Rostov-on-Don
▪️258th repair plant for refueling and transporting fuel, Bataysk
▪️751st repair plant, Rostov, Yaroslavl region
▪️5th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Yekaterinburg
▪️88th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Chita
▪️15th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Novosibirsk
▪️172nd Central Automobile Repair Plant, Voronezh
▪️9th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Saratov and Engels
▪️487th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Republic of Bashkortostan
▪️81st Central Engineering Base, Yaroslavl Region
▪️1st design and fortification bureau, Moscow
▪️85th repair plant, Bryansk
▪️261st repair plant, Novgorod.
This is not a complete list of dying defense enterprises, but I would like to dwell on these separately. All of them belonged to the Spetsremont JSC, controlled by the Ministry of Defense, which, in theory, is engaged in the repair and modernization of armored vehicles. But the effectiveness, to put it mildly, is debatable.
In 2017, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated in the State Duma that JSC Spetsremont owed the Ministry of Defense: in 2012-2013, the enterprises of the subholding were supposed to supply about 22,000 units of military equipment worth 12 billion rubles. However, this did not happen.
🔻 Apparently, after that, it was decided to transfer these enterprises to Rostec JSC. But even the state corporation could not clearly answer the question about their prospects.
As a result, only one of the entire list of enterprises was lucky – the 258th repair plant in Bataysk, where Rostvertol is going to make a flight test station.
The rest of the factories are selling unique equipment for next to nothing, and experienced personnel are being fired. This process is accompanied by corruption scandals.
▪️For example, Andrey Yakovlev, the former director of the 88th Central Automobile Repair Plant from Chita, was arrested in 2015 for organizing a criminal community. Sergei Chadaev was appointed to replace him, who, as they say, sold out the entire repair fund of the plant.
▪️The 9th Central Automobile Repair Plant is a developer of unique ceramic armor for military equipment. But military customers refused the services of the plant, and it was bankrupted by its own trade union.
▪️Most factories are waiting for the sale of equipment, cutting of all metal and reprofiling into warehouses, shopping centers, office space, etc. Perhaps – complete demolition and construction of an LCD in their place. And this is now, in conditions of an extremely urgent need for military equipment against the backdrop of hostilities.
All these enterprises today are vital for increasing the country’s defense capability. But since the decision to preserve them was never made by the Russian Ministry of Defense, most likely, we, naive bloggers, do not understand anything about this: after all, there, at the top, they know better what is needed and what is not for the needs of the military-industrial complex, right ?
#Russia
@rybar”
https://t.me/rybar/39413
Posted by: Karim | Sep 27 2022 11:04 utc | 186
NS1 NS2 and one more. 3 in total all lost pressure at similar times various media are reporting . undersea leak detected. cui bono? no turning it on now. no repairs under sanctions, no topping up during winter. millions at real risk now for the neocons death cult
Posted by: hankster | Sep 27 2022 11:11 utc | 187
Posted by: Karim | Sep 27 2022 11:04 utc | 186
▪️For example, Andrey Yakovlev, the former director of the 88th Central Automobile Repair Plant from Chita, was arrested in 2015 for organizing a criminal community. Sergei Chadaev was appointed to replace him, who, as they say, sold out the entire repair fund of the plant.
Yakovlev … Another Khazar. It’s Khazars all the way down …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 27 2022 11:14 utc | 188
Volkswagen looking to relocate part suppliers out of failed Baerbockistan and Habekstan. The largest immediate winner will probably be Hungary. Hungary might become the wealthiest region of EU-rope, by becoming the de-facto gateway and intermediator between EU and Eurasia.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1574535013559070721
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 27 2022 11:19 utc | 189
@ Jo Dominich | Sep 27 2022 3:40 utc | 119 and similar-minded
A nuke like you describe could conveniently help reconcile the gap between official and unofficial Western casualties. It could help “explain” why “the west is winning!” turns into “we the west are losing and must raise more armies”.
Posted by: dfg | Sep 27 2022 11:25 utc | 190
A note about paid trolls:
Hurricane Ian is heading for Tampa, Florida. I’ve been informed that many offices are already closed for at least Wednesday and Thursday in that area. Tampa is where SOCOM – MISO is based (SOCOM = Special Operations Command, MISO = Military Information Support Operations).
While many of the longer term trolls in this site’s fora are paid and directed from fake NGOs like NED, USAID, NDI, Open Society, etc., the current “surge” here is contracted by the US military, since that is where mountains of cash have been dumped. Producing bullshit is the only thing that the US can do in industrial quantities anymore so that is what it does. One should always work hard at what one is best at, right? SOCOM is the chief headquarters for that industrious bovine excrement output effort and is about to be spanked by Mother Nature.
Basically, we should see the trolling tail off and lose its coordination over the next few days as their command centers close for the hurricane and the troll grunts don’t get their daily talking points/marching orders.
Rejoice!
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2022 11:25 utc | 191
According to RT the pipeline damage is in Denmarks economic zone. Do the countries the pipeline passes through have liability?
Posted by: Bob | Sep 27 2022 11:26 utc | 192
I’m starting to wonder if the over-the-top campaign to remove Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour leadership had 2022 in mind. If he was Prime Minister the Ukraine war might never have started.
Posted by: ZX | Sep 26 2022 23:03 utc | 79
This has been a “Made in America” event since at least 2000, well before the Cookie
Monster made a cameo appearance in Maidan. While MI-6 does manage some of the aspects of the west’s anti-Russian campaign (Skriptals, Navalny, White Helmets), they were incapable of installing a series of anti-Russian governments in Kiev.
But you are right, since Corbyn was deemed too difficult to handle, he was never getting the MI-6 political spokesperson job at 10 Downing. By all accounts they have Liz Truss on a short leash.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 27 2022 11:29 utc | 193
Posted by: Rudi | Sep 26 2022 20:34 utc | 43
Can anyone shed some light on specifically what the deranged neocons are telling Russia?
It’s a cry of desperation. You only reach for your most powerful weapon when your enemy scares you. There is no other reason.
It means the neocons are running scared. Things aren’t going the way they planned.
Expect more desperate and dangerous thrashing and wailing from the great beast of revelations …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 27 2022 11:33 utc | 194
Prime-Minister Morawiecki: Today we faced an act of sabotage, we don’t know all the details of what happened, but we see clearly that it’s an act of sabotage, related to the next step of escalation of the situation in Ukraine,”
They did it
Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2022 11:35 utc | 195
While everyone is talking about NS2 and potential sabotage, it looks like Lyman is about to fall to the AFU. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Stunned | Sep 27 2022 11:55 utc | 196
A piece worth reading by larry Johnson. I am aware that he is a veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism:
https://sonar21.com/more-on-the-referendum-game-changer/
Remember three weeks ago when Putin and the Russian military were on the ropes and the Ukrainian army was steamrolling through Kharkov? That was then and Urkaine’s promised victory failed to materialize. With the benefit of hindsight, it appears that Russia abandoned the strategically meaningless territory in the Kharkov Oblast of Ukraine and re-deployed forces to the Donbas, Zaporhyzhia and Kherson. Why? To be in position for the referendum–i.e., to defend the Ukraine oblasts that would be given the chance to vote whether or not to reunite with mother Russia. Putin’s subsequent announcement of the referenda, which began last Friday, was not a Hail Mary pass nor an act of desperation. The planning for this had been in the works for at least a month, maybe longer.
While Ukraine continued to throw its troops against the Russian lines and launched artillery strikes on civilian targets, it paid a terrible price in terms of human casualties and destroyed tanks and combat vehicles, and failed completely to disrupt the vote. There have been international observers monitoring the vote throughout the four oblasts. I wish at least one reporter would ask these observers when they were first contacted and asked to come to the Russian controlled territory and do the monitoring. That detail would provide some insight into the extent of the pre-planning for the referenda.
Posted by: Menz | Sep 27 2022 11:58 utc | 197
Martyanov is really turning into a clown. He still is trying to tell us that fighting for 10,000 km2 of territory, gained over 6 months, and donated back in less than week, was a Russian 5D chess move to…. wait for it… focus on referendums for areas which Russia doesn’t even fully control.
How can anyone take these referenda seriously, when Russia wants to annex Zaparozhia Oblast, and it doesn’t even control Zaparozhia the city, which makes up roughly 50% of the population? Not to speak of Lughansk… still missing 50% of that too… And yeah, keep quoting your mate Larry, the former CIA analyst who quotes fake RAND dossiers…
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/09/larry-gives-superb-treatment-to.html
And yeah, it was a retreat, we get it, saved lives, but i am sure Ukraine was more than happy to get all those tanks and equipment left behind too. Was that part of the plan as well? And what about all the people? He insists they were also evacuated. I am sure they are all very happy about their new life as refugees, and are singing the praises of the 5D chess strategic genius of the Russian MOD… i am sure that really motivated the rest of the Russian people in Ukraine and beyond in trusting Russia from now on…
But wait, Russia is winning the economic war too…
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/09/i-already-touched-on-it-in-my-video.html
Yes, Western stock exchanges are down. But guess what? So is the Moscow one Bozo! In fact, it is performing 2.5 times worse. It’s amazing how someone who promotes himself as the one who bases his analysis on facts and figures can also so blatantly ignore the ones that contradict his arguments.
YTD Dow Jones: -19%
YTD MOEX: -49%
Not convinced? Let’s look at oil prices then.
Oil November Futures currently trading at $77.70, down from June highs of $122.11. Not that Russia was ever even getting close to that anyway…
Does this idiot think Russia’s economy runs on exports to Mars, or that United Russia, a fundamentally pro-business party, somehow can ruin Russian companies and still count on their support indefinitely?
My point is, even Russia doesn’t operate in a vacuum, yes they may ultimately have good leverage in some areas, but in this game of chicken we are all losers. And if NATO’s goal ultimately is to weaken Russia, it’s possible they are not failing as badly as some want us to think. Stop believing people who tell you Russia has all the time in the world and they are not suffering or worried, they are just as full of it as NYT and BBC.
Russia to its credit has done much better than many in the West expected, but despite that, anything could still happen, we still have a long way to go. Reality checks are not concern trolling. Filling you with one sided bs and false hope is.
Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 27 2022 12:03 utc | 198
@Gerrard White | Sep 27 2022 9:21 utc | 167
Turkiye does not recognize Crimea’s, LDPR’s and other region’s secessions because of a deep and well-founded (in their own past atrocities) fear of its Kurdish East breaking away (being broken away by external forces at the helm, to be precise), and even worse, form with other Kurdish territories a sizeable, populous hostile state. I’m sure Putin knows and accepts this stance of Erdo.
Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2022 12:07 utc | 199
@farm ecologist | Sep 26 2022 18:55 utc | 17
PL tried to get the press accreditation of Philips and Bentley cancelled
Posted by: cirsium | Sep 27 2022 12:08 utc | 200