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September 25, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-157

News & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Posted by b on September 25, 2022 at 12:40 UTC | Permalink

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tucenz @156
Thank you for posting that interview with Texas Bentley. I find the most interesting part being the "reporter" inserting the Official Narrative whenever Bentley contradicts it.
This seems to be a common practice among western "journalists". I guess it's mandatory

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 26 2022 17:40 utc | 401

Hermit @398

Baptistism, more recently segueing into a form of Calvinistic theology; was once in its European origins, a movement on the part of a newly literate segment of the peasantry and expressed as Anabaptism, a primitive, but sincere belief in the word by word "reality", as then conceptualized, of the Emperor Constantine's Bible.

19th Century German exegetical researchers essentially demolished the "Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins" mindset, which had been imposed on the West by the likes of Augustine and Aquinas. If one reads the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas, Jesus comes across as the Greatest spiritual teacher and not as the third branch of Jehovah central to the Trinitarian Dogma.

To Judge J.D. Rottenfeller by his works one must consider all the diabolical and nefarious elements of his activities, such as the theft of Minnesota's Mesabi iron range from the pair of brothers who had first developed it and also in his murdering goons attacks in the Colorado mining district known as the Ludlow Massacre. "By their works ye will know them". The Baptist thing was merely a hypocritical cover story to blindside the believers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 26 2022 17:41 utc | 402

@ Scorpion | Sep 26 2022 17:26 utc | 400

Scorpion, you can choose whether or not to download media to your phone. Just go (top left) to settings>auto media download and make your choice.
In addition, it is possible, in the same tab, to choose how long you want to keep the media in memory.

Posted by: SCan | Sep 26 2022 17:48 utc | 403

james @ 385

Looks like I missed the main story. In early morning Asian trading the pound bottomed out at $1.03. Of course anything that smacks of genuine price discovery is slapped down quick. Stock markets bad. Bond markets worse. Is this the crash? We wait.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 26 2022 17:49 utc | 404

@ oldhippie | Sep 26 2022 17:49 utc | 408

Hedge funds were net long when the pound crashed. Think about that for a moment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-26/hedge-funds-piled-on-bullish-pound-bets-just-before-big-crash

Posted by: too scents | Sep 26 2022 17:53 utc | 405

Hedge funds were net long when the pound crashed. Think about that for a moment.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 26 2022 17:53 utc | 409

Too bad. Their customers liquidate at a bad price and their affiliates pile in at for them a favorable one.
And so it goes...

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 26 2022 18:02 utc | 406

@403 aristodemos

You seem to throw everything into your overarching worldview that the dark ages were truly unspeakably bad.

I am not so sure and have read that the dark ages are somewhat of a misnomer.

Culture and technology are not the same. You can have amazing and refined technology as we have today and be suffering under a cataclysmic dearth of culture.

As a Hegelian, I think human history mirrors the advancing of spirit towards absolute mind.

For instance, will we lose the knowledge that surgical tools need to be cleaned before operating in the future? No, we will not.

So I think it is a falsity to say that high-culture appears in a flash under the right conditions and then can disappear again for centuries, only to reappear in, say, China.you need to first differentiate between culture and technology and understand that a healthy combination of the two is probably best.

So I am largely in disagreement with you, especially when it comes to Aquinas who I feel is very important for Catholics to read today with regards to understanding Catholicism in the world.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 26 2022 18:05 utc | 407

@ Scorpion | Sep 26 2022 18:02 utc | 410

customers muppets

Posted by: too scents | Sep 26 2022 18:06 utc | 408

Is there any hard evidence that the "Ukrainian offensive" east of Kharkov was anything other than a small attack?

I can't even find a single estimate of the number of Ukrainian tanks involved.

Doesn't anyone here know?

Surely someone here knows. Surely?

It seems no one knows. No one seems to have any idea.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 26 2022 18:46 utc | 409

aristodemos | Sep 26 2022 15:18 utc | 363
“………If you have self-schooled in the use of symbology, you will understand.”
Yep.
And some here likewise could benefit from some educating on ……. topics they have a Pavlovian trained response to reject.
Like Watcher….you know the Mafia isn’t Italian…..right?
Sure…. Italian names, but jewish……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 26 2022 22:49 utc | 410

Jack | Sep 26 2022 18:46 utc | 413
Re the force build up for Kharkov offensive.
“………estimate of the number of Ukrainian tanks involved.”
Does anyone know?
Well. One *could* dissect the Russian MoD clobber list ….
But. Of course *everyone* just accepts that because it’s the *Russian* MoD it’s lies and fiction.
Despite now more than 6months of demonstrated veracity.
Since you’ve asked the question several times in the thread, you seem to want the info.
Places to trawl are:
New Atlas yt.
The Duran
Military Summary Channel.
Go back to dates just before the start of the offensive.
Telegram interslava might have it.
Like others I haven’t subscribed to that, so am limited in what I can view.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 26 2022 23:04 utc | 411

Re NS2 pressure drop

The pressure remaining, 7 bars, indicate that the leak is at the 230 some feet mark. About 75 meters.

An explosive device or even an electric torch may have been used to perforate the tube.

Somebody really wants People of Europe to freeze. Would he be sitting close to the Potomac?

Posted by: CarlD | Sep 27 2022 0:57 utc | 412

Interested Party@404

It was years ago that I read a paperback history of the Kursk Salient. Memory is that the title of the book was something along the lines of "The Tigers are Burning". The reference was specifically to the Porsche-designed Konig-Tigers. Problem with that machine was that the frontal armor was so thick that it did not feature a frontal-mounted machine-gun. That design flaw made it vulnerable to infantry attacks, mostly by sapper engineers who were dug in deep in specially designed foxholes. They emerged as the Tigers were passing by.

If you have information which would be an update on my readings, please pass them along.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 27 2022 2:08 utc | 413

Nemesis Calling @411

Up front. I despise the Vatican and all it stands for...with an exception. Under the off and on broad umbrella of "Holy Mother Church", there have been over the ages a number of truly spiritually infused individuals: Examples being St. Francis of Assisi; St. Teresa of Avila, Hildegard of Bingen; just possibly Joan of Arc and in more modern times Teilhard de Chardin and Thomas Moore.

With that said, there was a deliberate destruction by aggressive Catholicism of all forms of natural religion, which was the province of people who lived closed to the land, the "Pagani" as urban Romans called them. We know now from archaeological discoveries of the many artifacts such as Stonehenge, the myriads of pyramids across the world and many additional features, such as the depth understanding to have been discovered in recent anthropological findings regarding shamanistic culture. All of these elements prove that the cultures which were destroyed by the JudieChristie MagickMindfuck, that tribal Europeans as well as in colonized parts of the world were not only deeply attuned to human interaction with the magical realism of the natural world, but also were possessed of cosmic vision.

As the relict of the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, centering on the likes of Augustine of Hippo, set out to destroy the libraries and the wisdom schools of the ancient Hellenic and Hellenistic civilizations. This policy was carried out constantly and consistently in such expansionist ventures as the defeat and enslavement of the Mayans and Incans, together with the deliberate destruction of their Codexes and other forms of historical retention. So those people too, were effectually deracinated and subjected to the Missionary Position.

Although there is some level of spirituality to be found within Orthodox traditions; the R.C. church is essentially merely religious and is basically bereft of true spiritual meaning. In my estimation, the Dark Ages have very little to do with technology, rather the destruction of ancient knowledge and wisdom on behalf of a totalitarian religious agenda.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 27 2022 2:28 utc | 414

Finally someone says it. Palestinians have suffered from anti-Semitism like no other.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 26 2022 10:56 utc | 324

Two smartazztastic gems in one day! You are on a roll.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 27 2022 3:44 utc | 415

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