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September 25, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-157

News & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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Concerning Questions I have about EuroLand.
Why do European men let women lead them in everything these days? Do you think this is why they come on here with concerns? Do any of them actually support their wife financially or do they send her off to work to fight the world and flirt with other men? Do they not feel shame when their wife helps them pay the bills?
Such a weakness in them has led them to be very concerned about all things. I sense the shame and impish qualities on here.

Posted by: Syler | Sep 25 2022 18:11 utc | 101

Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2022 17:36 utc | 89

Africa exists.

Woops! Knew I was missing something.
Perhaps it was subliminal: I have an aversion to inviting any blowback to that benighted continent. One wonders if enough misery has not been visited on Africa to date …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 25 2022 18:11 utc | 102

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 25 2022 13:02 utc | 5
Did anybody see something at #5, I thought saw something, but it was so silly I dismissed it as gibberish.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 25 2022 18:12 utc | 103

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 25 2022 16:55 utc | 71

Assume threats to hit Russian decision making centres (conventionally) in response resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands

This should be covered by the decades old Russian policy on nuclear weapons use: Conventional weapons attack on the Russian heartland by NATO (and it’s allies) will result in a nuclear response against the US mainland.
M.A.D – the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 25 2022 18:16 utc | 104

https://www.rt.com/news/563489-cia-75-anniversary-history/
From respect to resentment: My history with the CIA
The US Central Intelligence Agency recently turned 75. I have my reasons to wish it doesn’t see another birthday
Article by Scott Ritter in the English version of Russia Today

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 25 2022 18:22 utc | 105

The linked essay by Ukraine’s Zaluzhni and Zabrodsky could receive top marks for resolve and tactical optimism, but its bottom line is that the successful “repulsion” of RF forces ”will require significant material resources and financial costs for a long time to come” (I.e. $$$ hundreds of billions), presumedly bankrolled by its western sponsors. The success of the plan also requires the complete expulsion of RF personnel and presumedly civilians from Crimea, and assumes the arrival of long-range missile systems from NATO able to attack population centres deep in Russian territory (without countervailing response). Cannot see that happening.
Warnings directed to Russian leadership concerning use of nuclear weapons were also publicized back in the spring, with the addition at that time of chemical and biological weapons (coincident with the securing of the biolabs). These types of warnings, or official speculations, were also in play previously during the build-up against Iraq, and then in Syria. The alleged threat was used for direct invasion and regime-change (Iraq), and later as a trigger for false-flags (Syria). Assume that the latter option is currently in play, as these warnings appear linked with the flood of stories in western MSM regarding alleged chaos in RF over the announced mobilization – I.e. information ops directed at western citizens.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 25 2022 18:23 utc | 106

The way the MSM reports the ‘Russians recruiting convicts’ story is designed to be another example of Russian barbarism. There are no details about the actual convicts. Do they volunteer? Are they forced? Obviously the RF will weed out drug addicts and psychopaths.
Posted by: dh | Sep 25 2022 17:46 utc | 94
If you seek you will find all the answers to your convict questions, and much more; I know I did. But you can search all day long, and for weeks and months, and never get anything but lies from the western MSM.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 25 2022 18:25 utc | 107

The turnout is sufficient after day 3:
Voter turnout in all regions day 3:
Zaporozhye: 51.55%
LPR: 76.09%
Kherson: 48.91%
DPR: 50%+
Over 50% means that the vote will be considered valid in all regions.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10159

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 25 2022 18:26 utc | 108

Dumb fucks.
Nothing else can explain.
theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/25/us-russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-weapons-jake-sullivan

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 18:27 utc | 109

how soon before Germany mobilizes?

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 25 2022 18:27 utc | 110

@Chaka Khagan #43
Even if the LNG supply is available – be clear on just what 12.5 bcm means in the grand scheme of things: Russia supplies in the order of 400 bcm to Europe per year.
12.5 bcm won’t change a damn thing.
Ten times that won’t change a damn thing.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 25 2022 18:30 utc | 111

Posted by: Syler | Sep 25 2022 18:11 utc | 100
Western society has reached its epitomy and will self destruct. ”Empowered women” as promoted for decades by the western Oligarchs has led to insufficient birthrate. Welfare made sure that most don’t really work or do anything productive.
It’s a cycle of Maslow’s pyramid, once you reach the top where you can afford to speak about ”intersectional feminism” as the number one problem, you know the next step is resetting back to the bottom. Infrastructures are breaking down for good and poverty rising faster than ever in at least 60 years. Poverty will reset ”conservative” values or, if incapable, end society.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2022 18:30 utc | 112

how soon before Germany mobilizes?
Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 25 2022 18:27 utc | 109
The legions of the 🌈 flag?

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 18:31 utc | 113

#109
I know Germans, they have a big mouth, but they don’t want to go to war.

Posted by: Nico | Sep 25 2022 18:32 utc | 114

I don’t see any way to step back from mobilization. I guess this is what Vucic was aware of. I wonder how many hothead Serbs will fly to Russia/Ukraine now? They are keen to bash NATO in revenge. They might make excellent saboteurs.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 25 2022 18:34 utc | 115

They are the only credible counterweight to Russian mobilization.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 25 2022 18:35 utc | 116

@La Bastille #90
75 million cubic meters of LNG equals roughly 45 bcm of natural gas.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 25 2022 18:37 utc | 117

@94 dh
Obviously the RF will weed out drug addicts and psychopaths
Yes, a casual disregard for human life is definitely going to get you disbarred 🙂
Recruiter: Are you willing to die for your country!
Convict: Yes, sir. I will also happily slaughter all Ukrainians that I face!
Recruiter: Oh, well we can’t have that! I’m sorry you are just not the right sort of man for us. Next!

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 25 2022 18:38 utc | 118

In recent years, ever since Nelson Rottenfeller died of a heart attack while getting head from a woman other than his wife, Happy; the Rottenfeller Crime Clan has maintained a low profile and covered up their tracks. It’s still the same old, same old…or as Leonard Cohen put it “Everybody knows”.
Frankly, Opport, I’m beginning to wonder about just where you happen to be coming from. Perhaps you simply are ignorant as to what goes on behind the scenes.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 25 2022 17:22 utc | 82

David Rockefeller, not Nelson was the last public face of the dynasty. He died in 2016, the same year Trump was selected. A former Democrat, Trump could never been selected if the Rockefellers still controlled the Republican Party, as they had for many decades.
If the Rockefeller Family is still so influential and powerful, why did they allow 2 relative lightweights, Sheldon Adelson and Robert Mercer, to buy the nomination and Presidency for Trump.
The current generation of Rockefellers are nothing more than very wealthy Trust Fund babies, and unless you can prove otherwise, you are engaging in speculation.
As for Vanguard:

Vanguard has a fairly unique structure for an investment management company. The company is owned by its funds; the funds are owned by the shareholders. Thus, the shareholders are the actual owners. In contrast to most publicly-owned investment firms, Vanguard has no outside investors other than its shareholders.
Vanguard’s structure allows the company to charge very low expenses for its funds. Due to its scope, the company has been able to reduce its expenses over the years. The average expense ratio for Vanguard funds was 0.89% in 1975. That number stands at 0.09% in 2022

As for Blackrock, see:
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-to-know-about-blackrock-larry-fink-biden-cabinet-facts-2020-12
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kind-shareholders-own-blackrock-inc-120134015.html
Note that the single biggest shareholder in Blackrock is Vanguard.
The genius of these 2 firms is that they recognized in the 1980s that the future was in huge pools of institutional (pension funds, insurance, trusts) capital that needed professional management.
I am certain that if a representative of the Rockefeller Family Trusts called Larry Fink, he would pick up the phone. He would not for you or I. But my response to your false statement: “they have full domination of Wall $treet…as they did in October of ’29.” stands.
I have no agenda, other than to point out that today’s stock market is not anything like that of a century ago. Stocks are overvalued now for completely different reasons and they will go down as interest rates rise, shaking out highly leveraged speculative positions. However the larger pools of institutional money will prevent a massive 1929 type crash.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 25 2022 18:39 utc | 119

@106 Guernica “If you seek you will find all the answers to your convict questions, and much more; I know I did.”
Sure, but I don’t have the time or the internet skills. I find it easier to just read the BBC and believe the opposite.

Posted by: dh | Sep 25 2022 18:40 utc | 120

Posted by: plangner | Sep 25 2022 13:34 utc | 13
Posted by: petrospapas | Sep 25 2022 13:45 utc | 16
Posted by: Andy | Sep 25 2022 14:07 utc | 18
I don’t understand your questions and answers as things seems clear for this :
– Russian army can deploy anywhere in Russia.
– Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizka will be in Russia by next week.
– The 300,000 mobilized PoW must be involved in the SMO, outside Russia, in 3 months.
– Mykolaiev, Odessa, Dnipro, Kharkiv and a part of Zaporija are not in Russia, and will still not be in Russia in 3 months.
It seems clear that those new mobilized forces are not needed for the 4 new oblast of Russia but for the 4 next ones ?

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 25 2022 18:41 utc | 121

@100 Syler
Concerning Questions I have about EuroLand.
Why do European men let women lead them in everything these days? Do you think this is why they come on here with concerns? Do any of them actually support their wife financially or do they send her off to work to fight the world and flirt with other men? Do they not feel shame when their wife helps them pay the bills?

In answer to your questions:
1) It saves arguments, and who doesn’t like a quiet life?
2) No.
3) Joint incomes. Women like to work where I come from. The flirting is optional.
4) No. I’m not that insecure.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 25 2022 18:46 utc | 122

I think Russia should make a clear threat:
“The next time any civilian buildings and people are hit in the Donbass, Russia will liquidate the Ukrainian leadership. So don’t say we didn’t warn you.”

Posted by: Nico | Sep 25 2022 18:48 utc | 123

… Frankly, Opport, I’m beginning to wonder about just where you happen to be coming from. Perhaps you simply are ignorant as to what goes on behind the scenes.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 25 2022 17:22 utc | 82

I certainly agree that one occasionally sees contributions that imply clandestine sponsorship =)
Own nothing, control everything …. hmmm, now where have I heard that before …

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2022 18:49 utc | 124

@ c1ue | Sep 25 2022 18:37 utc | 116
Yes, World Champion of lng import in 2021 was Japan with 100 million cubic meter. Then regasified to 60 billions cubic meter of gas. As many as one Nordstream pipe.

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 25 2022 18:51 utc | 125

” However, Russia has no defense against this and cant respond in kind ? Doesnt seem logical. There must be something else at play.
Hang on – you are saying hitting Kiev but losing thousands of Muscovites or St Petersburg civilians and then subsequent escalation beyond that wouldn’t make Russia at least pause for thought?
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 25 2022 17:53 utc | 96 ”
It might, however, the warning came from the ZioAmericans implying they would strike, therefore, the retaliation would be against the US not Ukraine. Why is the US issuing threats seemingly unafraid of retaliation ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Sep 25 2022 19:04 utc | 126

This should be covered by the decades old Russian policy on nuclear weapons use: Conventional weapons attack on the Russian heartland by NATO (and it’s allies) will result in a nuclear response against the US mainland.
M.A.D – the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 25 2022 18:16 utc | 103
But thats the point – do the Russians really want to go down that road in order to gain the opportunity to bomb Kiev?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 25 2022 19:05 utc | 127

It might, however, the warning came from the ZioAmericans implying they would strike, therefore, the retaliation would be against the US not Ukraine. Why is the US issuing threats seemingly unafraid of retaliation ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Sep 25 2022 19:04 utc | 125
that is a fair comment

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 25 2022 19:09 utc | 128

With the US putting nuclear warnings into the news cycle, I think there is a real possibility of a nuclear false flag. The Western public has been prepared with the “Russia losing and desperate” narrative. The US would respond to the false flag immediately, before anyone can show where it truly originated, as they did in Syria. For instance, otherwise reputable people still say that Russia simply invaded Georgia without placing it within any context. Perhaps 9/11 gave them the idea (proved?) that the historical record will be whatever they say it is. How else can they “win” this ?

Posted by: FarminChimp | Sep 25 2022 19:09 utc | 129

Dumb fucks.
Nothing else can explain.
theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/25/us-russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-weapons-jake-sullivan
Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 18:27 utc | 108
Sullivan has a desperate need to look like he can do something about what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. He can’t.
He kind of reminds me of a young Joe Biden, now I think of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 25 2022 19:10 utc | 130

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 25 2022 17:32 utc | 86
Arch Bungle, In my view (I just went to a bog standard secondary modern school), the layout and structure of your essay, was exemplary.
I just had a slight problem with the content, especially about the UK, where I live.
I am nearly 70 years old. I suspect you are considerably older than me.
Well done for keeping your marbles. What’s your secret?
If it was 1980. I would give you top marks, but it’s 2022
Well done,
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 19:13 utc | 131

@ Deplorable Commissar | Sep 25 2022 19:04 utc | 125
Some observers suggest NATO directs the sacrifice of Ukraine people to weaken Russia, while NATO leaders stay safe. People with “no skin in the game” make the decisions for others.
What if the USA situation is somewhat analogous? Do the leaders who rule “USA” spend more time lately away from possible targets? In bunkers? In other countries?

Posted by: dfg | Sep 25 2022 19:16 utc | 132

Pompeo is soon off to Taiwan again:
Kaohsiung, Sept. 22 (CNA) Former U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is scheduled to visit Taiwan next week for the second time,…
When I think about Sullivan, Nuland, Kagans and Blinken and then I think about Trump’s team, it is depressing.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 25 2022 19:16 utc | 133

The whole notion of “conspiracy theories” was developed during the hearings on the assassination of JFK. One of the conspirators in that takedown was LBJ. He chose and selected the members of the Warren Commission. The American people started getting all cynical about the “magic bullet theory”, posited by one of the political stooges on the commission.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 25 2022 17:22 utc | 82

I seem to recall reading that the political stooge in question was Arlen Specter.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 25 2022 19:18 utc | 134

Hermit @66
Thanks. Critical information on the price-gougers in the Big-Oil consortium. The Rottenfellers keep adding to their trillions and so do their unindicted co-conspiritors.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 25 2022 17:26 utc | 84

LOL… I see you are having more flashbacks to the 1970s. The Rockefeller Brothers Family Trusts exited all their oil investments in 2014-16, in a very public manner.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475
Or perhaps you believe it was just a head fake and they bought all the shares back later at lower prices. Or perhaps just try to keep up.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 25 2022 19:20 utc | 135

23k Hasidic Jews are on their way to Uman, Ukraine, for the annual celebration to the Tomb of Rabbi Nachman, an 18th century prophet.
Despite warnings to stay well clear of Uman, 160km south of Kerson, they will make the journey regardless of the ‘Russian’ shelling.
Now. if ever a Ukrainian recruitment scheme for frontline fodder presented itself, it’s this. 23,000, why that’s 5 brigades for storming Liman.
Go Bears!!

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 25 2022 19:22 utc | 136

Washington giving Kiev more sophisticated weapons.
“Ukraine has already received the US-promised systems of anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) NASAMS, Said President Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with CBS.
Last week’s spokesperson Pentagon General Pat Ryder reported that the United States expects the supply of two NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine within two months.”
https://ria.ru/20220925/nasams-1819381054.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 25 2022 19:22 utc | 137

Night Tripper | 25 septembre 2022 16:06 UTC | 50
Arch Bungle | 25 septembre 2022 16:08 UTC | 52
Night Tripper | 25 septembre 2022 16:14 UTC | 54 Trains of equipment with and on civilian lines
as usual.
The decision-making centres are Brussels and Washington.
With losses of 1:10 didn’t change anything.
it’s also the possibility for Ukraine will recover
Hand over her destiny if she wishes.
The Russians are not savages and the West is cowardly
Enjoy all. Two worlds two visions of man.

Posted by: la bouteille | Sep 25 2022 19:26 utc | 138

To move millions of cubic meter of LNG.
And….
you need a few hundred of very expensive ships. Investment probably exceed 5 times NS2
https://www.rnd.de/politik/lng-engpaesse-bei-fluessiggas-tankern-und-kaum-besserung-in-sicht-LQGDZ343HRFDZM75J6M75NZCZA.html

Prices for new ships also rising
As gas prices and charter rates rise, so do the prices of newbuildings. While an LNG carrier in the most common size class of 174,000 cubic meters capacity cost about $195 million a year ago, the price is now approaching the $250 million threshold.

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 25 2022 19:27 utc | 139

how soon before Germany mobilizes?
Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 25 2022 18:27 utc | 109

Mobilises what?
To mobilise, you need:
* lots of strong young men aged 18-35 who are both physically able (i.e. not office workers, permanent students, or NEETs) and mentally willing to fight (for you)
* lots of weapons, ammo and equipment to arm the mobilised
* lots of resources to support the above
Germany has none of these things. In fact, no country in Western Europe would be able to successfully mobilise in 2022/23. To even attempt it would be an invitation to riots and mass draft dodging.
We in the West are richer than Russia (for now) and have better technology than Russia (for now). But we’re not as robust as Russia, our people are not at all willing to die in order to defeat Russia, and due to our privileged standard of living, we can’t bear the sort of hardships Russians can. Or indeed Ukrainians.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 25 2022 19:28 utc | 140

@1 why would the Russians have a shortage of willing fighters when Russian polls show most Russians agree with Putin and the ongoing fighting in Ukraine? Putin is popular in Russia and in most parts of the world. President Putin is popular Everywhere but in the west. To most of the world he is seen as a hero fighting the evil Europe and the devil called America
https://www.levada.ru/2022/03/30/odobrenie-institutov-rejtingi-partij-i-politikov/
https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-poll-ratings-climb/31781913.html

Posted by: Mr chums | Sep 25 2022 19:29 utc | 141

– Despite the sheer number of subversive tactics and strategies available to Russia, it appears that Putin has exercises none of them. Why this is the case would be an interesting discussion.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 25 2022 17:32 utc | 86

It seems to me that such activities would be incompatible with Russian leaders’ expressed support for principles underlying a multi-polar world (such as respect for other nations’ sovereignty).

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 25 2022 19:30 utc | 142

#136
Those news are irrelevant because they are always outdated. The West has already shipped way more than officially announced.
I still think Russia should keep the stuff, mercenaries etc. from getting in in the first place, and if it means flattening the whole border region, so be it.
Russia should really isolate Ukraine in every way, destroy telecommunication, TV, radio etc.

Posted by: Nico | Sep 25 2022 19:33 utc | 143

Plangner @ 13
‘No particular reason to assume this specific set of 300k are to be sent primarily to Ukraine…’
Agree that primary function will be to backfill for already serving troops not at the front–aside from specialties (drone pilots, military programmers, etc.)
Some have argued that 300k (of currently serving soldiers) now available for frontline duty actually multiplies by a factor of 4 or more the ~ 80k Russian troops available for actual battle roles.
Plus 300k will not be the only new forces pool available:
At least a few thousand many who have not been mobilized have nevertheless reported for duty.
new Chechen & other Rosgvaria & voluntary self-mobilization may be over 120k.
137k new conscripts can also backfill, while roughly same # of conscripts about to be released may be held over for a year.
Wagner prison & other retired SF recruiting may net 100k or more.
And of course if this becomes more openly direct troop-on-troop NATO / RF conflict, conceivable that Syria, Iran, Mali, North Korea, Hezbollah and even eventually China might supply volunteers–in or out of uniform.
Plus joint patrols by Iran & China & CSTO? along Russia’s Southern & Eastern borders may allow extra troops to be transferred from these theaters to the West.
So 600k or so, without foreign mercenary or foreign volunteer forces. So perhaps as much as 7 or 8 times current Russian forces already deployed for front-line battle.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 25 2022 19:33 utc | 144

CarlD@65:
The other day somebody posted a 20 second video of a drone just blasting the Hell out
of a target. It really had a peculiar sound, perhaps it was a Geran2.

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 25 2022 19:34 utc | 145

Would add that Russia is facilitating citizenship for volunteers willing to fight in armed forces, so that could be additional tens of thousands.
So 700k new forces available without next 1% tranche of mobilization, out of 25 million veterans with military experience….

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 25 2022 19:37 utc | 146

The chatter in the West about Putin’s “threat” of nuclear weapons is growing every day.
It could be usual populace-numbing propaganda.
But I worry that something else is afoot. I imagine there are elements in State Department that want to push Russia into using a tactical nuclear device in Europe as a way of instigating a full-on war between Russia and NATO in Europe.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 25 2022 19:52 utc | 147

.. Frankly, Opport, I’m beginning to wonder about just where you happen to be coming from. Perhaps you simply are ignorant as to what goes on behind the scenes.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 25 2022 17:22 utc | 82

I certainly agree that one occasionally sees contributions that imply clandestine sponsorship =)
Own nothing, control everything …. hmmm, now where have I heard that before …
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2022 18:49 utc | 123

Another great laugh, y’all are on a roll today. My close Canadian friends falsely attribute my pro-Russian views to the fact that I live with one who thinks Putin is the best Russian leader in over 200 years. As for “clandestine sponsorship”, she does make a fabulous Borscht and other Eastern European dishes. There is the aroma of homemade bay leaf infused chicken stock in the house right now.
As for “Own nothing, control everything” you must be confusing me with someone else. I like my personal property TYVM.
Perhaps what I do is simply call out BS anywhere, regardless of where it comes from.
I have a theory that it is the alphabet agencies that promote the Roth/Rock “invisible hand behind the curtain” meme in order to deflect from the current string pullers. Didn’t they report that they found that stuff on bin Laden’s computer. LOLOL

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 25 2022 19:52 utc | 148

Opport knocks@118:
I think you can add another venerable name to that list of trust fund babies-
Rothschilds. They are way past their expiration date also.
Sure I will be castigated for doubting their status, at least by the Jewish cabal conspiracy types, ” it’s all the fault of the Jews!”

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 25 2022 19:53 utc | 149

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 25 2022 19:27 utc | 138
All of this will be useless, as there will be any gaz to ship in Europe.
The fact is that the quantities that Russia supplies to EU each year are not disponible anywhere else.
Even in 3 year, with Qatar and others doubling their outputs, it will still be insuffisiant.
What can be is China or India buying russian gaz and selling it to europe, what they are already doing.
To add, the Germany four leased floating storage and regasification units are said to fit for 20% or their needs in normal time, not talking about winter.
A lot of troubles ahead..

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 25 2022 19:55 utc | 150

Posted by: Syler | Sep 25 2022 18:11 utc | 100
My wife would scratch your eyeballs out and I would just watch with amazement.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 25 2022 20:02 utc | 151

But I worry that something else is afoot. I imagine there are elements in State Department that want to push Russia into using a tactical nuclear device in Europe as a way of instigating a full-on war between Russia and NATO in Europe.
Posted by: WJ | Sep 25 2022 19:52 utc enough.
Fair enough!
Who do these loons think will survive and win?
There are some that think these events can be won.
Reality dysfunction!

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 20:06 utc | 152

America’s going for the biggie. Nuclear war between NATO and Russia. That’s basically the meaning of Jake Sullivan’s words today.
Bluntly put, America is ordering Russia to forgo use of nukes in self-defense or else face an “immediate and decisive” response from the US. That’s the only realistic interpretation of Sullivan’s statement.
The war is happening because the US ordered Russia to accept subversion of its national defense, by allowing the West to turn Ukraine into a NATO stronghold.
Now America’s ordering Russia to forgo winning the war – and securing its legitimate existential needs – or else it’s nukesville.
The US State Department, DoD, White House and Brussels have gone mad. Absolutely, totally insane. God save the world.

Posted by: Rudi | Sep 25 2022 20:09 utc | 153

Given current developments and the continuation of the NATO-Kiev regime, I’d be afraid to remain in Kiev any longer.
Accordingly, regarding NATO-Kiev expelling Iran’s diplomat, the “appropriate response” from Iran should be “thank you”.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 25 2022 20:09 utc | 154

@ Chaka Khagan 132
To lift your spirits, imagine all your aforementioned, Nudelman & Filth, hanging by the neck on makeshift gallows.

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 25 2022 20:16 utc | 155

To those who criticise the SMO as being a failure in regard to achieving the strategic aims as outlined at the beginning, I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. I believe the Russian military has been wildly successful in demilitarising Ukraine, efficiently destroying it as an effective fighting force. But that is only applicable in relation to the Ukrainian military as it stood in Feb 2022. I believe the Russians were expecting this conflict to evolve into an insurgency once the standing army was demilitarised. If not for continual resupply of its destroyed hardware by the US led West then this would have been over long ago. This is the crux of the issue, the unending amount of support from the West. Russia knew the West would keep supplying the Ukies but the bottomless level of support is really unprecedented and I believe has been far greater than anticipated by the Russians. You could say that this was obvious long ago but that was before the Ukies launched an offensive that many commentators said they were incapable of doing. Plus it’s obvious to anyone with basic knowledge that Russia has always had massive escalatory capacity so the Russians have probably thought the obvious fact that only they can win this conflict would see the West accept the obvious and stand down. But rational people aren’t in control in the West so the Russians have decided that ‘okay then, we go next level’.

Posted by: JohnG | Sep 25 2022 20:16 utc | 156

Because of my long interest and involvement in the legalise cannabis issue I took an interest in Russell Bongo Bentley a few years ago and occaisionally watch his videos (He was correct in predicting the SMO a week or two before it happened). I have full respect for his actions and commitment, but have small reservations about him seeming to be a “in gun we trust” ‘merican. He clearly is very passionate about what he does and patience is probably not his strong suit.
As Russia (like China Iran Syria Venezuala Cuba and other nations of the resistance) has fucked in the head, shit for brains cannabis prohibitionist laws and policies, I would be interested on Rusell’s views on the matter (and the quality of weed he gets to consume these days!). Also I wouldn’t mind hearing Putin’s answers if someone put the (cannabis) questions to him at one of his 4 hour sessions. However, both men clearly have more pressing matters of concern at the moment, so I can wait!
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russell-texas-bentley-putin-propaganda-ukraine-interview-1315433/
POLITICS Story of How a Hardcore Texas Leftist Became a Frontline Putin Propagandist
In a contentious interview with Rolling Stone, Russell “Texas” Bentley explains why he’s in Ukraine cheering on Russian troops
BY TIM DICKINSON
MARCH 3, 2022
HOW DOES A 61-year-old former pot dealer named “Texas” end up filming videos in front of Z-marked tanks on the Russian side of the frontline in Donbas?
Russell “Texas” Bentley has gone viral this week with a YouTube video in which he wears a black leather jacket and a revolutionary’s army-green cap. “This is Tejas on the frontline with the De-Nazifiers and the Liberators of Ukraine,” he twangs with all the camp of a Tarantino character. “These guys are tough. These guys are ready. And there’s plenty of ‘em,” Bentley boasts of the Russian soldiers behind him, adding: “We’re gettin’ ready to bring the hammer down. These guys are going to save and liberate all the good people of Ukraine. And the bad people? BOOM! Kick their ass.”
YouTube pulled the video for violating its community guidelines but it’s still available on Twitter.
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— Bad Weapon Takes (@BadWeaponTakes) February 28, 2022
Bentley writes that his aim — which also happens to be Vladimir Putin’s aim — is to bring “Ukraine back into the Slavic family where it belongs and has been for 1,000 years.” As for the “bad people” he hopes to see the hammer dropped on? They seem to include not only the rulers of Ukraine but the leaders of his former American homeland. On VK — the Russian alternative to Facebook — Bentley posted that he was “heading west with the Liberators of Ukraine. We may stop in Kiev, we may stop on the English Channel. We may liberate the USA.”
On Tuesday, Rolling Stone reached Bentley at a hotel in Donetsk for an hour-long phone interview. Bentley describes himself as an “information warrior” for the Russian side. He has lived in the separatist areas of Eastern Ukraine since 2014 and is now a citizen of the breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic as well as of Russia. “I don’t give a fuck what they think about me in the United States,” he insists. “The government — or most of the people.”
Bentley’s backstory is as wild as his present circumstance. He’s a former marijuana legalization activist who once mounted a third-party bid for the Senate in Minnesota — in the 1990 election that brought Paul Welstone to Washington — before landing in prison for felony marijuana trafficking.
He was born Russell Bonner Bentley III to a wealthy family in Texas in 1960. “I grew up in a very exclusive area of Dallas called Highland Park,” he says. “It’s basically the Beverly Hills of Dallas.” Bentley was the “black sheep” of the family as a teenager, he says, drawn to hard left causes. “I was reading Ho Chi Minh and Che Guevara” he says. “I understood the Vietnamese were right to defend their land against foreign invaders, and that the United States was wrong. I understood that Fidel and Che were right to overthrow the foreign masters that had turned Cuba into a casino and bordello.” Bentley insists: “I’m anti-racist. I’m anti-imperialist. I grew up supporting people’s rights to defend themselves.” (His commitment to democracy and self-determination was less developed.)
Bentley bills himself as an “auto-didact.” He dropped out of middle school, but later got his GED and spent some time in the U.S. Army. He then waited tables and partied for years on South Padre island, on the Texas coast, playing guitar in a group called the Asbestos Band. He says his preferred genre was “cow punk” — a mix of Johnny Cash and Johnny Rotten. But when that music failed to pack in the crowds, Bentley recalls, they started covering hits from hot MTV bands like ZZ Top, the Cure, and even Bryan Adams.
Known then as “Bongo” rather than “Texas,” Bentley followed a girlfriend to Minnesota, according to profile in Texas Monthly. There, Bentley got deep into the world of marijuana legalization, running for Senate in 1990 as a member of the pro-pot Grassroots Party, whose motto was “lower taxes, higher taxpayers.” He garnered nearly two percent of the statewide vote.
In the mid-1990s, Bentley made a radicalizing trip to Cuba where his socialist leanings hardened into communism. “I went with Pastors for Peace, with Medea Benjamin from Code Pink, and a bunch of those guys,” Bentley recalls. On the island, he met a captain in the Cuban army who told him that “a communist is someone that’s willing to fight for socialism.” He vowed then: “I’m going to quit being a pussy and calling myself a socialist; I am a communist.”
In his professional life, Bentley wasn’t just promoting pot, he was dealing it — importing substantial quantities of weed from Texas to Minnesota. And by 1996, Bentley got tripped up by the DEA. He was arrested for felony trafficking and sentenced to federal prison. But only months before he was scheduled to be released in 1999, according to court documents, Bentley broke out of the minimum security facility where he was being held. “I didn’t have to dig a tunnel or take anybody hostage,” he recalls. “But I did escape from prison.”
Bentley then lived on the lam, mostly in Washington state. He took part in the anti-globalization uprising against the World Trade Organization conference in Seattle in 1999, which he says “was the last time that I was really proud to be an American.” Bentley remained a fugitive for the better part of a decade before being recaptured in 2007. “They put me in a maximum security joint till the end of my sentence.” Bentley remained under supervised release — which included a ban on intoxicants and a mandated 12-step program — until 2012.
Over the years, Bentley’s distrust of American power had been metastasizing. Today, he rattles off a list of American foreign policy sins dating from Ronald Reagan’s invasion of the island nation of Grenada and what he denounces as Bill Clinton’s “horrendous war crimes against Yugoslavia.” Growing conspiratorial, he insists that 9/11 was — at least in part — an inside job, citing his expertise in the U.S. Army as a demolition expert: “You can say what you want about building one and two, but building seven? Anyone that doesn’t understand that that was a pre-planned, pre-placed controlled demolition is either an idiot or a liar,” he claims. (Government investigators found the tower collapsed from the heat of uncontrolled fires.)
Bentley’s disgust grew through the “bogus” wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he insists the final straw was the 2011 Western military action that toppled Muammar Gadhafi in Libya. “He was one of the greatest,” Bentley says fondly of the larger-than-life dictator whom the International Criminal Court accused of war crimes. Bentley says that when “Gadhafi was brutally murdered on video, it really pissed me off.” Bentley worked out his anger by donning rock climbing gear to scale a Marines recruiting billboard in Austin, defacing it with the words “FUCK NATO” in six-foot letters.
By the time the Maidan Revolution broke out in 2014 in Ukraine — toppling the Putin-backed government in Kyiv — Bentley was primed to see the events through the looking glass. “I knew it was exactly the work of the State Department and the CIA and Soros, of course,” Bentley recalls, invoking another conspiracy theory that Hungarian billionaire George Soros pulls the strings of American foreign policy. When he saw the unrest spill over into violent clashes in Odessa, Bentley sympathized with wounded pro-Russian separatists.
Then Bentley came across video from the aftermath of an explosion in Luhansk, in eastern Ukraine, that local separatists blamed on a Ukrainian air strike. He recalls a video of a dying young woman with her legs blown off. “Her eyes looked into my soul,” he says, earnestly. “She was asking me, ‘What are you going to do about this? Are you going to go hold hands across America for peace, or sing Kumbaya?’ And I said, ‘No, I’m going to go kill some of the dudes that did this.’ And I have,” he insists.
Determined to head to the frontlines in Donbas, Bentley broke up with his yoga-instructor girlfriend, quit his job as an estimator for a tree-trimming company, and booked a flight for Rostov-on-Don, a Russian city on the Black Sea. Before he left Texas, he recorded a song about his belief that this was “armageddon” and he was choosing his side with “Novorussia.” He sang: “The U.S. is wrong, and I’ll do more to right it than just write this song.”
Bentley, then 54, was an unlikely foreign fighter. He didn’t speak Russian at the time, but made his way to the war-torn city of Donetsk where he hooked up with a fellow Russian-sympathist expat, a writer from Italy, who showed him around and helped Bentley hook up with the Vostok Battalion — a militia group linked to the Russian intelligence service.
“When I came here, I didn’t think I would live through the winter, bro,” says Bentley, who peppers his speech with surfer pronouns like dude and bro. “I didn’t hardly speak Russian. It was a major war with a full-on National Army against the people’s militia. And I was on the little guys’ side,” he says, adding he believed he was, “defending good people against abjectly evil people.”
Bentley has lived in the contested separatist regions of Donbas ever since, surrounded by a war that’s killed an estimated 14,000, with allegations of abuses and needless civilian casualties on both sides. Bentley says he’s since served as a military policeman and an “information warrior” — an English language propagandist for the Russian side, hosting a podcast called “Radio Free Donbas” and filming YouTube videos of the struggle in the region. He emphasizes he’s a volunteer for the cause: “I don’t get paid by the Donetsk People’s Republic. I don’t get paid by the Russians. I don’t get paid by anybody.”
Bentley became a citizen of the breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic in 2017, and became a citizen of Russia in 2020. Today, he grows belligerent when pressed on the contradictions of his decision to side with an authoritarian like Putin. ”What about Putin poisoning his political rivals?” I ask him, referring to Alexei Navalny, the opposition leader who blames the Kremlin for poisoning him with a powerful nerve agent.
Bentley shoots back: “Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be that stupid?” He insists that it’s “a fucking question that only an idiot would fucking ask.” Bentley underscores that the alleged poisoning victims are still living. “Do you think that if Vladimir Putin, the head of the most powerful military in the world today, wanted to kill somebody that [he] would fail?” he asks. “That’s a really stupid question.”
Like Putin, Bentley decries the Ukranian military as the sum of all evil, blasting them as “genuine, mass-murdering Nazis.” Bentley embellishes that the Ukrainian ranks are also swelled by “thousands of ISIS cannibals.”
Invocations of Nazis are still politically potent in Russia, which suffered unfathomable losses at the hands of Hitler’s armies in World War II. But while Ukraine, like many nations, has extremist right-wing factions, there is no evidence its military is teeming with Nazis. To the contrary, Ukraine’s popularly elected president is Jewish, and several of his relatives were killed in the Holocaust. The United States Holocaust Memorial and Museum has denounced Putin for having “misrepresented and misappropriated Holocaust history” by “claiming falsely that democratic Ukraine needs to be ‘denazified.’” Shortly after I spoke to Bentley, news broke that Russian forces had shelled a Holocaust memorial in Kyiv.
I ask Bentley why he thinks anyone who calls themselves an “information warrior” should be trusted as an honest broker.
“In every information war, there’s two sides,” he says.
“And you see yourself as on the side of truth?” I ask.
“The evidence speaks for itself,” he insists.
In the current conflict, Bentley boasts that “Russia is liberating Ukraine from foreign occupation.” I ask why the world is not seeing Russian troops greeted as liberators, and Ukranians are instead hunkering down and with AK-47s and Molotov cocktails preparing to defend their cities. “How in the hell can you even think you’re qualified to have an opinion on that?” Bentley snaps. “I was, today, 50 kilometers inside what was, two days ago, under Ukrainian Nazi occupation and the dudes there, the women there, had tears in their eyes thanking us for coming to liberate them after eight years of terrorism and oppression. How do you dare to say that?”
With the conversation growing heated, I ask a more muted question: If Bentley knows why Russian tanks have been marked with a “Z.” He says he’s heard differing explanations, from the swashbuckling — “the mark of Zorro” — to the mundane, deriving from the Russian word for west, zapad, which indicates the direction they’re traveling. “But I have my own personal theory,” he adds, “and it is that the ‘Z’ stands for Zelensky’s zhopa. Zelensky, of course, is the puppet president of Ukraine,” he says. “And zhopa is the Russian word for ‘ass.’ So all those machines are going to Zelensky’s ass. That’s my theory.”
Carrying on a conversation with Bentley is challenging. Though we share a common language, he’s committed himself to an alternate reality. “With U.S. politicians and mainstream media, including Rolling Stone,” he tells me, “everything they say is a lie. It is 180 degrees — the opposite direction from what is true.”
What is Bentley’s version of the truth? “Believe me, bro, this is very clear cut,” he says. “This is the battle, not just of Ukraine. This is the battle between good-and-evil for the future of the world. And right now, it’s looking like the world might just have a chance because us and our friends are kicking some Nazi ass right now.”
In reality, the balky Russian blitz of Ukraine has brought terror and bloodshed to a prosperous European nation, whose only real offense has been to chart a course independent of the aims of an unstable strongman in Moscow, who yearns to recapture the glory of a Russian empire.
Before he hangs up, Bentley signs off with a chilling little prayer for the battles ahead:
“May God protect the innocent,” he says. “And may the rest of us get everything that we deserve.”

Posted by: tucenz | Sep 25 2022 20:17 utc | 157

He kind of reminds me of a young Joe Biden, now I think of it.
Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 25 2022 19:10 utc | 129
That’s a truly terrifying observation.
Increasing the order of dumb at the highest level.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 20:20 utc | 158

The US State Department, DoD, White House and Brussels have gone mad. Absolutely, totally insane. God save the world.
Posted by: Rudi | Sep 25 2022 20:09 utc | 152
Assholes who don’t understand consequences.
Says all about us education doesn’t it.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2022 20:23 utc | 159

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 25 2022 19:22 utc | 135
> Despite warnings to stay well clear of Uman, 160km south of Kerson, they will make the journey regardless of the ‘Russian’ shelling.
OK, a bit of geography is needed here.
Umanj is 300km north of Odesa, in central Ukraine, (still) outside of war zone. Haven’t heard of any shelling there.
Odesa is 120km west of Herson.
160km south of Herson is Black Sea and western part of Crimea.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 25 2022 20:24 utc | 160

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 25 2022 15:47 utc | 43
How does Germany get LNG?
– Germany has leased four floating storage
and regasification units (FSRUs) to quickly
start importing liquefied natural gas (LNG)
directly and replace Russian volumes.
– Two of the FSRUs will be stationed in
Wilhelmshaven and Brunsbuettel, able to
jointly handle up to 12.5 billion cubic
metres a year .Aug 24, 2022
But… Those are supposed to be working for january… AND the “normal” imports of gaz by Germany is about 89 bcm a year, “small” part from russia.
https://www.atlasbig.com/en-us/countries-natural-gas-imports.
Problem yet to be solved…

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 25 2022 20:27 utc | 161

A request for information about an earlier posting.
Some days ago someone gave a detailed history of each of the four provinces now voting in the referendum. Can anyone help me retrieve this post? I have neither the date, time nor the moniker of the writer. Does MoA have a search function. Thanks for any assistance.

Posted by: Quentin | Sep 25 2022 20:31 utc | 162

‼️🇺🇦🇷🇺The Ukrainian armed forces threw armored groups into demilitarisation in the DPR in vain, trying to surround Lyman
▪️Today AFU with two armored groups attempted to breachAllied’s defenses from Karpovka towards Shandrigolovo.
▪️AFU were pinned down by the fire of MLRS. Two tanks, two BMPs, trucks, and infantry in the counterattack,were demilitarsied,the surviving fighters retreated.
▪️The second armored group succeeded in breaking through to the outskirts of Shandrigolovo, where Allied motorized riflemen engaged them. Using artillery and anti-tank-guided missiles, two more tanks and three BMPs were demilitarised. Caught in the firing pit, the second armored group was demilitarised
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22092

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2022 20:34 utc | 163

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 25 2022 19:20 utc | 134
” The Rockefeller Brothers Family Trusts exited all their oil investments in 2014-16, in a very public manner. ”
They go back a lot longer than that, trying to depopulate the world, whilst using their enormous financial resources, to influence, and corrupt most governments.
It is entirely possible that Putin is a member of the club. He has most certainly attended WEF meetings, kept his gob shut about 9/11, and is not stupid. But that doesn’t prove anything. He gives the impression of being an honest man, defending the interests of his country, which if anything is underpopulated. I don’t think he wants to kill more Russians, but I may be wrong. I often get the impression that they are all pissing in the same pot, when out of public view.
“The Club of Rome and Eugenics”
https://www.climaterealists.org.nz/node/878
“The organization was founded in 1968 by global elite kingpin David Rockefeller and counts amongst its members some of the most influential power brokers on the planet, including current and former Heads of State, UN bureaucrats , high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.
The Club of Rome’s 1972 publication The Limits To Growth was a Malthusian blueprint on how the human population needed to be reduced in order to prevent an ecological collapse, which in itself was merely a disguised version of the abhorrent eugenicist ideas that were circulating in the early part of the 20th century and eventually died out with Hitler. ”
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 20:37 utc | 164

@156 tucenz
Like Putin, Bentley decries the Ukranian military as the sum of all evil, blasting them as “genuine, mass-murdering Nazis.” Bentley embellishes that the Ukrainian ranks are also swelled by “thousands of ISIS cannibals.”
He sounds rational and sane.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 25 2022 20:42 utc | 165

Why is Russia using her air force so sparsely?

Posted by: marko | Sep 25 2022 20:44 utc | 166

In my experience, when someone warns someone in public that they better not do something nefarious, it’s because that first someone is about to do it, or has done it and kept news thereof on the qt. This is my thought when Biden people warn Russia against using nukes. Besides, in this case it’s a weak move, Russia already warned Biden people not to use nukes.
I am getting the sense that Nuland/CIA have lost interest in Zelensky and his lack of success for them. And are not a little afraid of what Russia has shown she can do. They won’t renounce their enmity for all things Russian, but they also know the country they nominally represent is not behind them and do not have industrial capacity to fight Russia even if they wanted to. US military recruiting and retention are disaster-land since AUG21.
In other words, CIA/Nuland are like Richard III at Bosworth Field, without the support of their army. They are testing other proxies, as Richard did, to carry on for them against Russia, their nemesis, but finding it difficult to conjure a country large and capable enough to get the job done. Besides, they had their shot at Russia in the 90s, and blew it. One doesn’t behave like a jerk and expect those on the receiving end to like you, not unless you’re certifiable to begin with.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 25 2022 20:49 utc | 167

@Jack “People say that the US is being hurt by the sanctions on Russia.
Nothing could be further from the truth.”
Have you filled up your tank recently?

Posted by: ian | Sep 25 2022 20:50 utc | 168

Why is the US issuing threats seemingly unafraid of retaliation ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Sep 25 2022 19:04 utc | 125
We don’t really know they are issuing threats, certainly not on the basis of words alone uttered by some bloviating hack in the administration. The Russians have made it abundantly clear that any clear involvement of US/NATO forces in the conflict would trigger Russian retaliation against Western command and control centers. The collective West knows this and knows that it cannot defend its territory against any such retaliatory attack.
So, if the threats are communicated to the Russians at all, they are dealt by the Russians in the same way the Chinese blew off Blinken’s veiled threats by telling him that the US is not in a position to issue any threats. It is much more likely, however, it’s all for show. That in reality the US swaggers around pretending to issue threats in order to reassure its vassals that the big boss is still in control and powerful enough to order people around.

Posted by: Pagan | Sep 25 2022 20:52 utc | 169

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2022 18:30 utc | 111
“Western society has reached its epitomy and will self destruct. ”Empowered women” as promoted for decades by the western Oligarchs has led to insufficient birthrate. Welfare made sure that most don’t really work or do anything productive.
It’s a cycle of Maslow’s pyramid, once you reach the top where you can afford to speak about ”intersectional feminism” as the number one problem, you know the next step is resetting back to the bottom. Infrastructures are breaking down for good and poverty rising faster than ever in at least 60 years. Poverty will reset ”conservative” values or, if incapable, end society.”
Yes! Well said, indeed.
Political empowerment of women is the great elephant in the room. We cannot hope to understand domestic and foreign policy for at least the last 50 years without taking it into account. And this definitely includes the West’s attitude to events in the Ukraine and the ease with which governments and the media have whipped up anti-Russian sentiment.
What you suggest in your last sentence is particularly sad, although likely true. Men would rather destroy each other than deal with this problem. On this very blog I made a similar point to you and was immediately accused of being a misogynist!
Very few are willing to face the reality that men and women are not equal. That doesn’t imply that one sex is better than the other, certainly not, only that they are not equal, and that that lack of equality has particular implications for societies that practise universal suffrage.

Posted by: RTX | Sep 25 2022 20:57 utc | 170

Strelkov is going on about Russia declaring war. That won’t happen unless NATO actually attacks Russia directly. He’s not factoring in what a declaration of war means under the UN system and international law. Declaring war would make it almost impossible for any other country to continue supporting Russia. It’s the same reason why Ukraine hasn’t declared war on Russia. It’s why nobody declares war. And it sure as shit is why Putin of all people won’t be declaring war.
But after the referendums, the actual Russian military will move into the new oblasts (it might already be there but not doing much of anything) and something similar to a CTO will loosen Putin’s SMO rules. The mobilized troops won’t go to the front as combat troops for the most part but might be near enough. Russia still needs to maintain a ready reserve of regular troops to stop NATO from doing something stupid elsewhere. It seems like a fair amount of troops could also be moved from the Far East if needed since it’s unlikely the Chinese will invade.
The US is hoping for a nuke to turn this whole thing around.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 25 2022 20:59 utc | 171

Incredible long piece of drivel. Definitely a paid info warrior.
“In reality, the balky Russian blitz of Ukraine has brought terror and bloodshed to a prosperous European nation, whose only real offense has been to chart a course independent of the aims of an unstable strongman in Moscow, who yearns to recapture the glory of a Russian empire.”
Posted by: tucenz | Sep 25 2022 20:17 utc | 156

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 25 2022 21:16 utc | 172

The Club of Rome’s 1972 publication The Limits To Growth was a Malthusian blueprint on how the human population needed to be reduced in order to prevent an ecological collapse, which in itself was merely a disguised version of the abhorrent eugenicist ideas that were circulating in the early part of the 20th century and eventually died out with Hitler. ”
Tony
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 20:37 utc | 163

I remember the “Club of Rome” days, that was during my University Years and it was closely followed in the Faculty of Environmental Studies. Maurice Strong was the high profile Canadian member of the group. Unlike many, I do not find the discussion of eugenicist ideas “abhorrent”, but its practice along ethno-cultural lines most certainly is.
The issue is now self correcting, birth rates in almost all countries are now below the replacement rate. Populations are only increasing due to people living longer and immigration. The bigger issue is that the big population increases are happening in the lower IQ countries.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 25 2022 21:21 utc | 173

fyi
with ABC This Week video of Jake the snake
I am sure that the Russians, especially Medvedev are trembling in their boots….
and for history’s sake let’s not forget the shellacking the Chinese gave Sullivan in Anchorage early last year
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574143217213267968
🇺🇸🇷🇺☢️White House National Security Adviser Jake “Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria” Sullivan: “Russia will face catastrophic consequences if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine; the U.S. and allies will respond decisively.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 25 2022 21:26 utc | 174

I just want to say that all this talk about recruiting convicts to the Army is merely a smokescreen. The UK Army has convicted criminals in its army as does the USA.
However, let’s not forget that, within 2 weeks of the start of the SMO Ze signed a Decree that Prisoners should be released and given arms to fight with. Many of those released from prison in Ukraine following this are actuly very dangerous including murders rapists and extremely violent offences in their record.
I read I think it was in Grayzone a few weeks ago that one of the commanders of a unit is wanted in Poland for an extremely violent murder. The soldiers in this unit have made substantial formal complaints about him including severe abuse, bullying and more

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 25 2022 21:29 utc | 175

Boris Johnson isn’t stupid either. I have never actually seen him in the flesh, but my wife has, whilst shopping in Croydon.
He actually was quite a decent Mayor of London, and introduced quite sensible policies – like free travel on London Buses, trains and tubes, for old farts like me. Unfortunately I do rather look like him – and got the nickname Boris about 15 years ago, which was an improvement on Jimmy (I still haven’t cut my long blonde hair)
However, I am now fairly convinced that Boris was a total c’nt, when peace was about to break out in the Ukraine. He is possibly even worse than Tony Blair (hard to imagine I know).
At least so far as I know, he is not gay, and even I quite fancy his crazy lunatic “Eco” Missus Carrie Johnson – on the left side of planet Venus.
Liz Truss, gives the distinct impression, of not being that bright, but good for a blind date in Leeds and possibly Moscow recently.
Typical meeting of these people, after the Americans have f’cked off – gone to bed (no sense of humour)
Liz: “Can we have a party now? Not been to many Moscow night clubs recently”
I am sure they do Abba in Moscow too.
“So how did you get your job Maria?”
Zacharova: “I am not the Queen of Russia yet”…as they run off the toilets together for a goss.
I know what these blonde girls are like.
God help us.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 21:58 utc | 176

I see Africa was belatedly noticed in the thread discussion. Barflies must have missed this, “‘Attack on Russia is Attack on Africa’, Ugandan Commander of Land Forces Says”:

During Sergei Lavrov’s tour of Africa in July, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni assured the Russian foreign minister that “if Russia makes mistakes then we tell them. But when they have not made a mistake we cannot be against them.”
Uganda’s military would treat aggression against Russia as aggression against the African continent, Land Forces commander Muhoozi Kainerugaba has indicated.
“President Putin does not have to threaten nuclear war. We hear him. An attack on Russia is an attack on Africa!” Kainerugaba wrote in a tweet Saturday.

Too bad more info isn’t available, although IMO Uganda’s sentiments are shared by many African nations.
Earlier this month after the Eastern Economic Forum, RT reported the following:
“Nigeria looks to Russia to help end dependence on the West: Nigeria wants to improve ties and deepen cooperation with its major trade partner Russia, entrepreneur and co-founder of the DevCA Initiative David Okpatuma told RT at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok.
“Okpatuma explained that he would like to see a broadening of frontiers, as well as ‘the shifting of focus from a bipolar world to a multipolar world, where every country is able to harness its own resources … and develop itself before seeking external collaborations and support’….
“The businessman noted that Nigeria has similar natural resources to Russia, saying: ‘We can learn from Moscow in developmental aspects. We’ve seen how Russia is able to develop its [resources] and create more sustainable wealth for its people.’
“He added: ‘We want to make sure that we can improve our GDP, that we are sustainable, that we are not co-dependent on the West or other countries in regards to creating improved livelihoods for our people and ensure that we build better friendship [with Russia] as we grow along.'”
It should be recalled that Russia and Nigeria signed an agreement on military cooperation last August, and they just had consultations over hydrocarbon production.
There’re a great many events happening in Africa, but media still treats it like a Black Hole and so it doesn’t get much discussion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 25 2022 22:00 utc | 177

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 21:58 utc | 176
To mention Maria Z and Lizz T in the same sentence is a bloody travesty. Maria is clever, witty, strong and dynamic. Dizzy Lizzie is a mushroom.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 25 2022 22:03 utc | 178

Referendums mandate mobilization
The war has turned from a Ukrainian civil war into a war between NATO and Russia. The West is fighting Russia with a Ukrainian proxy army. But Russia is also using the Donbass proxy army for its defense.
If the war is about defending Russia’s western borders, then the LPR and DPR soldiers have the right to ask: “why are we fighting in the trenches, when Russia is doing practically nothing?”
The referendums clear up the situation, but they also mean that Russia now has to take over the defense of Donbass. The Donbass conscripts who have been in the trenches for half a year have the right to demand that they be sent home and others take their place at the front lines.
For this Russia has to mobilize 300,000 men.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 25 2022 22:13 utc | 179

From 8 years ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Sep 25 2022 22:14 utc | 180

When the leaves change then fall the Ukrops lose their cover and they will be bombed to smithereens.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Sep 25 2022 22:21 utc | 181

“President Putin is popular Everywhere but in the west.”
Posted by: Mr chums | Sep 25 2022 19:29 utc | 140
Disagree. I would speculate that Mr. Putin has a rather significant following in the West, in spite of the foolish denigrating diatribe perpetually extolled by Government/Corporate media. Any rational being can assess the events that have transpired in the past few decades, and the rapacious activities of certain counties. And perchance, if succulent history moves ones intellectual palate, then the events of various participants can go back even further in recorded time.
Mr. Putin represents an archetype. One not to be found in the bowels of Empire. Not all that reside here in the West are stupefied and addlepated. Nor is there a need (yet) to agitate.
They also serve those who stand and wait.

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Sep 25 2022 22:22 utc | 182

Tom cUcK’s reply at 121 made me laugh. What a buffoon.

Posted by: RDF2 | Sep 25 2022 22:23 utc | 183

All this talk of Russia’s first use of tactical nukes feels like a set up–first because Russia has several rungs of the escalation dominance ladder it can climb first, & has no clear time pressures–contrary to the West, which has few non-nuclear escalation steps it can take, and time seems very much against them.
Set up for what?
1. False flag detonation of tactical nuke falsely attributed to Russia.
2. UKR dirty bomb–a level of provocation so extreme as to cause (or so it’s hoped) Russia to go tactical nuclear.
3. UKR using one of its own nuclear power plants (likely the Southern NPP rather than Zaparozhye) as a de facto dirty bomb, forever poisoning the well of Russia’s territorial acquisition.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 25 2022 22:23 utc | 184

“Some observers suggest NATO directs the sacrifice of Ukraine people to weaken Russia, while NATO leaders stay safe. People with “no skin in the game” make the decisions for others.”
Dfg @131
NATO will fight until the last dead Ukrainian.

Posted by: RDF2 | Sep 25 2022 22:33 utc | 185

Paul @184
def a setup. as always, they accuse the other of what they have been eagerly awaiting-a chance to use a tactical nuke. hoping and praying that people with power are calling and telling joe that they know what he’s doing and he has to stop or the countries that know will make sure there are consequences. isolate the west further. deny fossil fuels, timber, minerals, whatever they have to do.
just letting them know, en masse, would help. but i’m likely dreaming. scary.
i wish putin and lavrov would make a huge deal about how even mentioning nukes was started by zelensky and then a stymied terrorist attack on an npp in russia and the npp in ukraine.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 25 2022 22:33 utc | 186

@Paul Damascene #184, genuinely curious what escalations you think Russia has available on the conventional side? Attacking NATO countries would bring NATO into the war, so that won’t happen. No air superiority means no strategic bombers or fighter-bomber raids behind the front line. Whatever Ukraine & partners are doing to hand off weapons seems to include excellent opsec so those can’t be interdicted with cruise missiles unless they get lucky – and it’s not reluctance, because Russia was willing to hit that foreign legion base near Lviv early in the war. Attacking “decision making centers” is floated frequently but Kyiv has excellent air defense and cruise missiles won’t take out the bunkered HQs anyway.
I think Russia is doing everything it can to succeed in the war using conventional means except commit huge masses of cannon fodder, which admittedly does seem to be changing now.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 25 2022 22:38 utc | 187

Posted by: watcher | Sep 25 2022 22:03 utc | 178
sorry, I was trying to make you laugh, but it is probably true.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 22:43 utc | 188

@ 58 Nicodemus
Is that you JB? (Johnny Bolton). Dream Son. Dreams are free too

Posted by: Maximus | Sep 25 2022 22:43 utc | 189

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 25 2022 15:24 utc | 36
Good approach. I still scan from the top down, but only look at stuff with a link to an article or from one of the few barflies who makes sense, such as karlof1. The rest is either ignorant opinions or trolls.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 25 2022 22:56 utc | 190

When my dad was 17 he liked to fight. During one brawl he seriously injured somebody. The judge gave him the choice of Juvee and jail or Vietnam. He chose Vietnam.
Too young for combat, he was assigned to a destroyer off the coast of Vietnam that flew medical helicopter and provided logistics.
The practice of recruiting convicts still holds today. Upper class and educated criminals will sometimes have the option of working for Intelligence instead of military. One of the professional trolls who used to work this site got into the business that way.
Some sort of service for amnesty process is common to all militaries.

Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 25 2022 22:58 utc | 191

@188 Probably best if you stick to accounts of your wife’s exciting shopping adventures. 🙂

Posted by: dh | Sep 25 2022 23:02 utc | 192

It’s more than likely that RU seriously beefing up their grouping in Ukraine will actually further reduce their losses. As these will be armed with hundreds, if not thousands additional artillery, tanks and integrated air defense systems. It will reduce the strain on the mobile defense groups currently acting as certain kind of fire brigades, and make easier to set up and fortify more static defense lines.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2022 23:03 utc | 193

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 25 2022 22:38 utc | 187
You rely too much on US Military magazines. While i think Russia also exaggerates its weaponry, the following seem to be realistic:
1. NATO is already in the war, so for Russia the calculation is not whether it fights NATO, but how large the NATO engagement will be.
2. If NATO is clearly shown to be attacking Russia(including soon any of the 4 new Russian provinces, then Russia can legally declare war on NATO.
3. If that occurs then the obvious NATO targets in a conventional war will be the various aircraft carriers, NATO bases close to Russia – Baltics, Poland and Balkans obviously
4. Russia has stated it will go after command centres, so places in the UK, Germany and the USA would be targets. Also US bases in Japan. probably mostly military bases would be targets.
5. NATO strategic assets would be targets, so oil refineries, oil/gas storage etc would all be targets.
6. Depending on the role of Turkey, the Bosphorus would be targeted.
None of the above require nuclear weapons. This is all pretty obvious. of course NATO would retaliate and that is the danger, since they may use nukes.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 25 2022 23:21 utc | 194

Why do European men let women lead them in everything these days?
Posted by: Syler | Sep 25 2022 18:11 utc | 100

Equality is not a weakness. But chauvinism is. And pretty stupid at that.
Look, Europe may have a lot of faults, and what is more, there is still a plethora of colossal idiots here. But we stopped shitting in the streets and throwing feces at each other a long time ago.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 25 2022 23:28 utc | 195

LATEST ON THE REFERENDA
Just over halfway through the voting period the turnouts are as follows:
LUGANSK – 76%
KHERSON – 49%
ZAPOROZHYE – 52%
DONETSK – 77%

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 25 2022 23:30 utc | 196

This is about taking measures, to try and avoid my family freezing to death in the coming (I suspect) artic, very cold winter
Due to the realities of the price of gas and electricity us two OAP’s face, we have subtley and gently given our son fair warning (who is currently working furiously trying to save his business – I reckon he will do it – dunno how)
We have a big old house, but we can’t afford to heat your bedroom in the attic.
Sure you and your children, are welcome to stay here, including your new baby due soon..but not in the attic. It will be too cold for a newborn baby.
Just move downstairs, into the spare bedroom, close to the hot water tank.
We can afford to keep most of our home warm, with the help of the coal I have bought, but not the attic.
he said fine
My wife and I can’t wait to see our new Grandchild
We also need some new thick curtains, and basic insulation
Just jobs to be done.
I think we have fixed the central heating, but not sure if we can afford to run it with these psychos in control, trying to kill us all.
There is something I haven’t thought of maybe a new chainsaw. We have lots of trees round here, and a fresh water stream nearby.
So its survivable.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 25 2022 23:40 utc | 197

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 25 2022 23:36 utc | 197
Apologies for feeding trolls, but these guys I think actually believe their own rubbish.
Sure Russia tried to bluff/bully a negotiated settlement that failed. However they did not fall quickly into a quagmire of wasted resources and fell back quickly when the bluff did not work.
The game has now changed, precisely because Russia will try not to get itself bogged down. They are about to bring in the military proper and it remains to be seen if NATO will bite. The whole thing has been a game of chicken, with NATO goading Russia into a response that could let loose the WWIII dogs. So far Russia has not bitten but it has a new strategy. Now Russia has reversed the strategy and is goading NATO.
Russia will try to avoid a hot war with NATO until the fall out from Winter becomes clear, but if NATO bites first, who knows.
Personally if I lived near any US bases (anywhere) or near German gas storage I would be relocationg.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 25 2022 23:47 utc | 198

The 300,000 have been mobilised – within 48 hours of the announcement.
But of course the msm in the west think a few pictures of traffic jams changes that reality

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 25 2022 23:50 utc | 199

@15 tucenz
Care to be a little more to the point next time? Wtf

Posted by: Xeen | Sep 26 2022 0:18 utc | 200