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September 22, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-155

News & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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c1ue | Sep 23 2022 0:45 utc | 300

Thanks for that report.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 0:53 utc | 301

karlof1 | Sep 22 2022 18:40 utc | 183
Keep doing what you do Karl.
You are a diamond here, and many many barflies (including the lurkers) value your work.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 22 2022 23:23 utc | 274

***

I've not posted since Spring 'cuz work and life, but I'm another lurker who follows here, and on top of b's world class analysis your posts are among those who keep me coming back.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Sep 23 2022 1:00 utc | 302

apologies if someone has already posted this... indian punchline

Why Ukraine referendum is a big deal

Posted by: james | Sep 23 2022 1:04 utc | 303

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 0:53 utc | 301

i left this for you on the week in review thread.. i am posting again as i don't know that you saw it...

"i read a few pages in the book 'states of emergency' from 2022 by kees van der pijl that i wanted to share with you based on your work on the bioweapons labs in ukraine that you were researching... here is the quote...

" Eleven DTRA-funded bio-laboratories are active in Ukraine, over which the country has no control. This goes back to a 2005 between the Pentagon and Ukraine's Ministry of Health. It prohibits the Kiev government from disclosing sensitive information about the program; Ukraine is required to hand over the dangerous pathogens produced there to the U.S. Department of Defens for further biological research. Finally, the Pentagon has access to Ukraine's state secrets related to the said agreement. One of the Pentagons laboratories is located in Kharkov where at least 20 Ukrainian soldiers succumbed to a flu-like virus within two days in January 2016, and another 200 were hospitalized. However Kiev did not publicize this incident. Suspicious outbreaks of Hepatitis A in the southeast of the country ( where most U.S. laboratories are located) and cases of cholera caused by contaminated drinking water have also been reported."

there is a lot more in this book worthy of peoples attention..

Posted by: james | Sep 22 2022 19:05 utc | 229

Posted by: james | Sep 23 2022 1:06 utc | 304

I often appreciate Larry Johnson's insights and points of view on military/nationally security matters, that is; his politics and cultural comments are far too conservative for me personally.

here are some insights/comments from his Sept 20 article, about the referendums in the 4 ukrainian oblasts, soon to be part of the Russian Federation come Oct 1 or so

A game changer indeed. As Johnson remarks in other parts of this article and in the writing from today, unlike Joe Biden, V. Putin does not say foolish things offhandedly, nor does he make idle remarks or threats.

on a related note, I am still getting a laugh whenever I read about how the Kremlin is refusing to take any calls from France's Macron. too late Emmanuel, too late :):):)


https://sonar21.com/game-changer-in-ukraine-referenda/

"....Despite the potential peril of this moment, I am amused by the irony of the United States, the United Kingdom and France feigning moral outrage over the Russian’s willingness to accept the results of the votes by citizens of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.

Did the United States hold a referendum when it took Hawaii or Mexican territory? Did the United Kingdom allow the American colonies a referendum when they wanted their independence? Hell, go down the list of British colonies that were taken by force without the natives of those countries being given a chance to vote to “join” the UK. Ditto for France. I don’t recall them holding an election when they took over Vietnam. It was only when the North Vietnamese held a “vote” at Dien Bien Phu that France “decided” to accept the will of the people.

Unlike the United States and the former global colonial powers, Russia is letting the people in the besieged Ukrainian oblasts decide. We are living through consequential history. This is a true game changer...."


Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 23 2022 1:06 utc | 305

Putin is a jewish troll.

Posted by: john | Sep 23 2022 1:31 utc | 306

@INDY, what on earth are you talking about? Gas storage caverns do not operate at "low pressure", they never go below (roughly) pipeline transmission pressures unless the facility is being end-of-lifed. That 70 atmospheres of cushion gas is necessary for structural integrity. When storage is maxed that goes up to 200 atmospheres more or less, depending on geologics. There is absolutely, positively, no need to flow gas INTO the cavern to get gas OUT of the cavern.

Glad to see you posting here!

So, tell us all why GazProm claims it needs pipeline flows to make the stored gas available.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 23 2022 1:41 utc | 307

My concern is the following. Over the past few months Ukraine has mobilized hundreds of thousands of people into their army. Some sources claim that the number is up to a million. It shows as they were able to overrun lightly defended areas with, at times, 5:1 manpower advantages. With that in view, is 300,000 addition to the Russian forces sufficient or are we simply going to be back to a stalemate? Why not use the "American model" of always using "Overwhelming Force" to quickly break the resistance of the enemy? After all, Russia does possess such an overwhelming force advantage.

Posted by: Alan | Sep 23 2022 1:41 utc | 308

Fwiw, imo it's possible that some of the people leaving Russia are doing so because they are well to do, and would rather not risk living in a nation that is going to be going eyeball to eyeball with Uncle Sam, and thus possibly going to go through a rough patch. It seems to me likely that most weren't combat veterans, so they wouldn't have been subject to conscription anyway.

I speculate that they are well to do because they have the funds to relocate on a moment's notice, and they can afford tickets that apparently now cost thousands of dollars.

Maybe they lived in Moscow, which is an obvious target to a demented American President. The movie Fail Safe painfully reminded those of us living in or near New York City of the cost of our leaders failing to prevent a nuclear exchange.

If the rhetoric from the Biden administration maintains its shrill tone, then we might see a lot of wealthy Americans who live near Washington D.C., and New York City, start leaving too. Ha, Martha's Vineyard or bust!

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 23 2022 1:46 utc | 309

My concern is the following. Over the past few months Ukraine has mobilized hundreds of thousands of people into their army. Some sources claim that the number is up to a million. It shows as they were able to overrun lightly defended areas with, at times, 5:1 manpower advantages. With that in view, is 300,000 addition to the Russian forces sufficient or are we simply going to be back to a stalemate? Why not use the "American model" of always using "Overwhelming Force" to quickly break the resistance of the enemy? After all, Russia does possess such an overwhelming force advantage.

Yes, the Ukies have lots of bodies.... Some have rifles.... some have bullets... some have shoes.... some have rations.... They all have to walk....

Yes, there are a few BMP(s).... still some tanks..... fewer and fewer artillery each day... because MOD destroys it....

All have shovels.... so, they dig....

Problem is they must go out into the open to charge Allied lines....

Where....

They get slaughtered...

sort of like a mob with pitchforks charging machine guns...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 23 2022 1:48 utc | 310

Y'all are still replying to Tom UK? Really?

That's why the comments have become unreadable. Too much time wasted on trolls.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 23 2022 1:55 utc | 311


A sad day watched more than 3hrs UN Security Council meet on 'Maintenance of peace and security of Ukraine. Pity Russia and Belarus were mincemeat... every nation including Americunts, UK, Ghana, Kenya and India, Brazil... Only China stood by Russia... Did not watch Wang YI spoke (no CC subtitle) everyone includes UN António Guterres blame Russia... grains and fertilizer... everything under the sun..

I wonder if Russia stop selling fertilizer to poor African stave to death... China is OK, she harvested bumper crops especially reclaimed 400,000 hectares of saline-alkali land and their meet target.. Yuan Longping, 'father of hybrid rice"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRhWOkxPhI

Posted by: JC | Sep 23 2022 2:08 utc | 312

JC | Sep 23 2022 2:08 utc | 312

The reason Putin ordered R&D to start on next gen strategic weapons systems when US pulled out of the ABM treaty back in 2002. He understood the character of the beast.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 2:21 utc | 313

praying that there are enough sane, powerful people in the west to wrestle the crazies to the ground, if need be. their "need" to use a "tactical" nuke is palpable. iodine may be the least of the Poles' worries, not to mention us westies.

i hadn't heard that india and brazil dropped their support. that's awful. must have been threatened with economic disaster, but still, that's exactly what i thought we were all fighting. shame on them.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 23 2022 2:41 utc | 314


james@303
Thank you for the link to Indian Punchline. Bhadrakumar has provided the most succinct summary of the current situation that I have seen.
Why I don't have his site bookmarked is a question only a neurologist could explain.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 23 2022 2:44 utc | 315

thanks bevin... it will explain the shelling of donestk and etc. will be more likely in this time frame too, based on the referendum happening sept 23 to 27..

Posted by: james | Sep 23 2022 2:50 utc | 316

@300 c1ue

Thx. Intel Slava Z on telegram had some video captures of called-up draftees leaving their families.

Very, very sad for them. But extremely grateful for Russia who is spearheading the effort against the satanic west.

Russians, though guarded, have always appeared to me through other videos as calm, resolved, and very civil.

They have such a beautiful and deep culture that the west is trying to tear asunder. I am not sure if they want the mantle of world defender so much as Russia-defenders, but I salute them anyway and know that I may be called at a moment's notice to be a patriot in my country. By that I mean quickly turning my issued gun on those who expect me to fight for Jewish Internationalism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 23 2022 2:52 utc | 317

@ polarbear4 | Sep 23 2022 2:41 utc | 314
i hadn't heard that india and brazil dropped their support

India always plays both sides, uncommitted to either, and it's a weak player so it doesn't really matter.
from Foreign Policy....
Why Did Modi Push Back on Putin?

. . .some analysts suggest that Modi’s statement was carefully coordinated with Russia ahead of the SCO summit. After the meeting, prominent Indian political commentator Manoj Joshi argued that Putin appeared to take Modi’s remarks in stride, saying, “We want all this to end as soon as possible.” This argument is based in part on inference, but India’s continuing dependence on Russian energy imports and advanced weaponry means that it can’t be written off as fantasy. Chiding Putin without fanfare finally allowed India to seize the moral high ground and win favor with the West—without damaging its relationship with Russia, which still depends on India for diplomatic cover. Given the historic closeness of the relationship, this scenario could have been arranged in advance. . .here

Brazil? How many divisions do they have.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 2:55 utc | 318

@318 Don Bacon

thanks. i feel better. i bet it was discussed.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 23 2022 3:17 utc | 319

@ Gabriel in Ireland 259

Imho USUKIS are hoarding grain for use case political blackmail.Theyvate lying through
their teeth by declaring it as cattle feed.
This is purely to disguise the comprehensiveness of their intention to defeat Russia, by blackmailing countries that need the grain to disown Russia in the UN etc.

USUKIS have been ruling the world by lies for too long Whoever supports these lies does so knowingly, making a conspiracy, including unfortunately political Islam, which ought to know better.

Neo-nazism is an Indigenous polity , twisted and weaponised by USUKIS. Political Islam is can Indigenous polity that was weaponised by Usukis terror/ torture / brainwashing in prisons.

The question I am asking is whether there is evidence of lying aboutv the grain and of torture brainwashing into Nazism in Ujraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2022 3:40 utc | 320

Russia's recent actions have narrowed the possible outcomes of the current conflict in Ukraine down to two: nuclear war (either tactical or total) or unconditional surrender of Ukraine. Why? There is no way NATO can win a conventional war against Russia, IMO.
What would victory look like? Russia incorporating the land east of Kieve and Poland taking all points westward-probably without a shot being fired.
I suspect this outcome has been in the works for years between Poland and Russia (In secret, of course). Why this outcome? Because western Ukraine is recognized by Putin to be too anti-Russian and pro-Nazi to be governed by Russia practically, much less peacefully. Western Ukraine is nominally pro-Poland and Poland has gone out of its way to be pro-Ukrainian (offering citizenship, mutual recognition of status, etc.). The main reason, though: Poles don't share the Ukrainian's love of all things Nazi; on the contrary, they vehemently abhor Nazis; this is an integral part of the overall plan. Poland will complete the goal of de-Nazification for Putin-with zeal; while providing a peaceful and benevolent home for native Ukrainians.

Posted by: ttommy | Sep 23 2022 3:42 utc | 321

Alan@308

In war situations it is not the sheer number (quantity) of troops, rather the quality of the forces. In the case of Ukraine's "New Army", it has minimal training, badly equipped, unacquainted with new Natostan weapons systems and likely has very low motivation, being mostly conscripts.

Contrarily, Russia's professional army has lost fewer than 10,000 troops since 2-24 and is extremely well trained and as volunteers, tends to be highly motivated. Case in point: The expansion of the forces from something over one hundred thousand actives to over 300,000 will not happen overnight. Focus is on combat experience and previous training levels of the newly activated reserves. They will receive a full three months of updated training before they even see action.

With some 25 million Russians having experienced previous military service, the newly re-activated troops represent barely one-percent of the available manpower.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 23 2022 3:49 utc | 322

from Taurevanime. . .
The hacker group Beregini says they have gotten posession of NATO intelligence files that are given to Ukrainian command. And they have now after a suitable span of time released them to the public.
The alleged NATO files (8 pages) can be seen here . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 3:53 utc | 323

Posted by: Vintage Red | Sep 23 2022 1:00 utc | 302

Welcome back, Vintage Red! I hope your return is a sign that what was at the beginning is now nearing the end.

One can dream, and hope. . .

Posted by: juliania | Sep 23 2022 3:54 utc | 324

https://rumble.com/v1kpqdh-russell-bentley-situation-in-donetsk-and-in-ukraine.html

Interview with Texas Bentley (linked earlier). From Sept 19th before recent developments.

Texas is fuming. Around 15 mins he shares that some of his buddies also fighting in Donbass militia regard the MoD bulletins as 'total bullshit.' He is furious that they never pushed the Ukries away from Donetsk which are still in same place since February.

Why haven't they bombed the heck out of those guys? asked the interview.

Texas answers that they are all asking this question too in Donbass and they are losing support in Donbass and in Russia because it's a disgrace.

After the SCO meeting at the Press conference Putin said the goals haven't changed, we will liberate Donetsk and Lubanks. But Tex says this is a lie, first time he sees Putin lying. Just liberating those two oblasts is nothing, because the initial goal was to demilitarize and denazify ALL of Ukraine.
'They are fucking up, dude, they are fucking up and it's costing all these peoples lives.' In Moscow all the cars are BMW's, Mercedes, Porsches, but down here we're driving 30 yr old Ladas. We're the solid, patriotic Russians. We held the line for 8 years and we thought with the SMO we'd get a break but no, we are still on the front lines. They have all the great gear but we don't get it. We're under equipped, under manned and told to hold the line whilst the Russians go back for a rest.'

And 40 minutes more.
Worth listening to...

Curious to see how he feels now there is going to be the referenda.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 3:55 utc | 325

Aristodemos posting...

Appears that the North Korean provision of troops and presumably supplies to the Russian war effort is no mere rumor. Just some minutes ago I read the wrap on South Front. It confirmed the intentions of the N.K. government. Apparently, having had no direct combat experience, some elements of the N.K. army would be sent to the Ukraine battlefront in order to get "blooded" as the saying goes.

Were Russia actually losing their now no longer limited "special operation" in Ukraine, it would not be highly probable that the Koreans would be anxious to join up. It is not likely that they would make this offer unless they had already received a tacit okay from the Kremlin. Their military is huge and heavily armed. Like the Russians, they specialize in huge numbers of artillery. I have no knowledge as to whether they are adept with either missiles or drones. Probable, however, that their infantry has been almost excessively trained. Well-trained, highly motivated infantry along with extra artillery would logically meet the needs of the Kremlin's war efforts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 23 2022 4:02 utc | 326

Reports coming out...

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 22 2022 14:56 utc | 83

Can't you fucking source what you're saying ? Or is it just plain as day lie ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 23 2022 4:03 utc | 327

Putin's "nuclear threat"
“No one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to defeat and dire consequences for any potential aggressor,” the Russian leader said.

Obama's nuclear threats
April 21, 2009 -- U.S. President Barack Obama said on Tuesday he wanted direct diplomacy with long-time foe Iran but without taking other options off the table
Mar 2, 2012 — -- "Obama stated specifically that 'all options are on the table,' and that the final option is the 'military component.'
Aug 10, 2012 — When the Atlantic's Jeff Goldberg asked Obama to explain the phrase "all options are on the table," the president said the Israelis . . .
Mar 21, 2013 -- All options are on the table: Obama
Sep 30, 2013 — The president also said, “We take no options off the table,”
Feb 10, 2015 -- President Obama Says All Options Are on the Table If Ukraine Diplomacy Fails

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 4:17 utc | 328

@ Gabriel in Ireland 259

In every country in the world there are politically Conservative landowners or wannabe landowners who USUKIS can subvert to their alt right wing global agenda.

90 % of politicians are motivated by the acquisition of land, so when USUKIS ask for land to build toerture rendition prisons or silos to illegally hoard Grain, the landowning class is easily bribed, even when they are fully aware of the USUKIS ' criminal purposes.

Maybe there is a clue as to how Britain acquired England , Scotland and Ireland completely against the interests of the populations of those lands.

In England , every small town has a back-scratching posh class of bent Estate Agents solicitors, judges, police, and landowners.
Controlling these MFs is as easy as giving sweets to children. Easier in fact because the little Conservative elites have been well trained over the centuries to recognise the sound of troughs being filled.

Ireland , Scotland and Wales were the home for many a proxy army the British used. To this d, the Valleys of South Wales are still major recruiting grounds.

These world wide rural clans are landowning classes who revere USUKIS conservatism / fascism. Ukraine is just thecsame old battle of the vested interests of the rich being pitted against the rest of the population.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2022 4:18 utc | 329

Listening to Texas Bentley some more I think perhaps he is expressing the reason why things seemed a little rushed of late. It appears that many have been feeling recently that a thrust into Donetsk itself is increasingly likely and Tex is not the only person who believes 'as goes Donbass so goes Russia.' And if tens of thousands of Ukrops pour into Donetsk city then Donetsk oblast will fall and an attack is felt as being immanent.

Top of the page article in RT: https://www.rt.com/news/563363-counteroffensive-ukraine-dpr-troops/

So perhaps things got moved up recently because High Command has realized that the SMO approach is about to fail and unless they step up soon they will lose support as well as initiative. So as long as there is no successful counter offensive thrust into Donetsk City in the next few days and all the residents become full Russian citizens with all the protections that will afford, things might begin to buckle there in a bad way.

Texas is expressing sincere doubt about whether or not Russia is going to leave the people in Donbass hanging and he hates to say it but also stresses that this is what people are beginning to feel. So I think it's fair to say there was a crisis brewing in Donetsk area and the recent shifts seemingly hurried may be intended to fix this crisis ASAP.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 4:20 utc | 330

Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 3:55 utc | 325

Donbass is fighting a small local war and Russia is fighting the empire of lies. It is only if Russia wins that Donbass survives. Their issues are real. More will die. If Russia doesn't play its cards right, Donbass will be very close to the epicenter or starting point of Armageddon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 4:24 utc | 331

19th Sep bombing in Donetsk. Video by Texas Bentley:

https://vk.com/donbasstexac?z=video279679914_456240271%2Fvideos279679914%2Fpl_279679914_-2

13 civilians, 2 children murdered.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 4:37 utc | 332

REGARDING:
UN Security Council meet on 'Maintenance of peace and security of Ukraine.'
Every nation including US, UK, Ghana, Kenya and India, Brazil backed Ukraine
... Only China stood by Russia...
Posted by: JC | Sep 23 2022 2:08 utc | 312

India and Brazil are full SCO and BRICS members
Ghana / Kenya are key countries of the Global South
This is the reality.

Is this why?
Russia-Ukraine Crisis | Powerful Speech By Kenya At UNSC That Went Viral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0g1SrJkfo8

Ambassador Martin was speaking on the ongoing Russia-Ukraine crisis during an emergency Security Council meeting where he outlined Kenya's position. He affirmed that his country strongly opposed the undermining of sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine by Russian Federation.

[...] today across the border of every
single African country live our countrymen
with whom we share deep historical
cultural and linguistic bonds

At independence had we chosen to pursue
states on the basis of ethnic racial or
religious homogeneity we would still be
waging bloody wars these many decades
later.

Instead we agreed that we would settle
for the borders that we inherited
but we would still pursue continental
political economic and legal integration

Rather than form nations that looked
ever backwards into history with a
dangerous nostalgia, we chose to look
forward to a greatness none of our
many nations and peoples had ever known.

We chose to follow the rules of the
Organization of African Unity and
the United Nations charter, not
because our border satisfied us but
because we wanted something greater
forged in peace we believe that all.

States formed from empires that have
collapsed or retreated have many peoples
in them yearning for integration with
peoples in neighboring states. This is
normal and understandable. After all
who does not want to be joined to
their brethren and to make common
purpose with them?

However, Kenya rejects such a yearning
from being pursued by force. We must
complete our recovery from the embers
of dead empires in a way that does not
plunge us back into new forms of
domination and oppression.

We rejected irredentism and expansionism
on any basis including racial ethnic
religious or cultural factors. We reject
it again today. "


Comment:
Sounds very slick (by someone who was inculcated/graduated from Oxford, or something smooth Obama might utter). All well and good but I do wonder if it is that simple as that. And how broadly shared these ideas are across Africa and elsewhere. Besides what happened in Africa is not the same as what happened in the breakup of the USSR nor how/why Ukraine was formed as a defined State in the first place in 1922. I recall also the US was super keen to have East Germany reunited with West Germany.

Besides that, has the Govt of Kenya created by a violent coup recently, and been shelling 20% of it's population for the last decade or so. Such is the power of very slick 'Sophistry, 'propaganda' and extremely biased/cognitive dissonant information presented to the world 24/7.

fyi - Irredentism is the doctrine of political or popular movements that claim and seek to occupy territory considered "lost" (or "unredeemed") to the nation. Zionism sounds much the same to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_irredentist_claims_or_disputes

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 4:42 utc | 333

Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 2:55 utc | 318

"India always plays both sides, uncommitted to either, and it's a weak player so it doesn't really matter."

India politics by enlightened self interest – playing both sides is a westie ideological and irrelevant concept – as does Turkey Iran China etc

Aligning self interests is what is happening in SCO BRICS etc – not ideologies, nor ‘team building’ etc

To dismiss India as a 'weak player' is foolish

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 4:44 utc | 334


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 4:24 utc | 331

100% correct Peter.... Igor Girkin-Strelkov or the "the Shooter"? He lead the separatists.. but was asked to leave... there were many leaders killed or murdered... can't remember their names now.. Igor Girkin-Strelkov an excellent leader and well respected too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dCAGIDeoMY

Posted by: JC | Sep 23 2022 4:51 utc | 335

@ polarbear4 | Sep 23 2022 2:41 utc | 314
i hadn't heard that india and brazil dropped their support

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 2:55 utc | 318

Just a comment fwiw

Besides being in BRICS/SCO etc, India is also a major Commonwealth Nation (ie UK) and a pillar of the QUAD US/Japan/Australia/India an economic and defense forum to push back against China's asia/pacific influence.

Much like Turkey and Erdogan India/Modi are more like weather-vanes playing all sides of the table at once. None of them can really be trusted.

Russia and China certainly do not either. So it's better to jump to assumptions and take all public positions put forward by nations with a huge dose of salt. All are one election away from flipping to a totally opposite point of view.

If you do not trust the rhetoric/sophistry coming out of Nato, the EU, the US/UK and so on why would one be so naive to automatically swallow whole the PR/rhetoric/sophistry coming out of the recent SCO meetings and assuming it means Russia has got major support in it' s current actions.

Frankly, I do not believe any of it from any country of group body. Even if at times I really like the "sounds of it" .... because they all talk shit 24/7 ... this FM from Kenya included.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 4:53 utc | 336

Hopefully the Donbas rebels can hold the line for the 2 months it will take for the reinforcements to arrive. 2 long months. Its sad that it got to this critical point. How could they not realize this is the big heavyweight bout?? Dancing around the ring and jabbing vs an opponent thats using every dirty trick in the book is madness.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 23 2022 4:54 utc | 337

to not jump to conclusions (or believe anything of them say from day to day)

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 4:55 utc | 338

@ Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 4:44 utc | 334
India is a weak third-world country shackled by its primitive caste system and its primary Hindu-nationalist groups which, led by Modi, practice religious persecution of Muslims.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 4:57 utc | 339

Kenya to get paid for UN speech in votes for cash scandal

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-ruto-appeals-to-world-bank-imf-g20-africa-debt-relief-3958012

Kenya is a country that, in the wake of UK Unilever, tea plantations, and and a similar policy of colonisation that the UK inflicted on India, or as prevailed in the US, and has continued to develope ind ag exports of raw produce in order import the processed at great loss

Not only putting itself in a disatrous cycle of endless mounting debt, but putting at least 4Million rural villagers on starvation row

The we are not tribalists patter is hypocrisy coming from a country riven by tribalised and violent presidential elections, and subservient to élites imposed by Brits in the colonial era, and especially from Ruto, a servant of the Kenyatta clan in power since that era

Kenya is where Africom is building a giant military base to ‘combat’ Islamic irredentism in the Horn Of Africa

It is certainly true that the US is stepping up a corrupt our friends program in Africa, as elsewhere, and buying votes

PS Nairobi is like a US city, violent with massive homeless pop, known derisively to Africans as ‘Nairobbery’

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:02 utc | 340

@ SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 4:53 utc | 336
India is. . .a pillar of the QUAD US/Japan/Australia/India an economic and defense forum to push back against China's asia/pacific influence
The Quad is a merely a dialogue forum of countries which don't push back against anything. They did have a vax program that didn't work. In fact China has never been mentioned in any of their worthless dialogue reports. It's all show and no go.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 5:03 utc | 341

Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 4:57 utc | 339

« India is a weak third-world country shackled by its primitive caste system and its primary Hindu-nationalist groups which, led by Modi, practice religious persecution of Muslims. »

Caramba ! That’s exactly what the westies said about Russia and thought to attack – not so long ago they were saying exactly the same about China – look where that…

Talking nonsense all the time catches up with you in the end

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:05 utc | 342

U.S. troops are stationed at Camp Simba and Manda Bay Airfield, Kenya, thus insuring Kenyan support.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 5:09 utc | 343

Want to see six lanes of traffic on a two-lane road?. . .Go to India.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 5:13 utc | 344

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 4:44 utc | 334

To dismiss India as a 'weak player' is foolish...

Maybe not but can you trust Indians...? Look at UK today.. or watch how they all sit on top of every trains..
Look at China high speed train today... I still remember ridding China "green" trains from Guangzhou train station to Shanghai meeting my Chinese fren.. They were bads,,, but still better than the trains in India... in the 80s and early 90s travelled to London I make sure nonstop flights, avoids... the black hole of Calcutta and Bombay...

Posted by: JC | Sep 23 2022 5:16 utc | 345

the SMO approach is about to fail
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 4:20 utc | 330

This is using the wrong tense. The SMO approach had already failed!

Don't believe that? Well try a hypothetical of objectively placing yourself back in the shoes of Putin & Russian/Donbass republics leadership in January 2022 before the action began in Feb but knowing the SMO was coming.

Can you imagine any planning scenario where the situation one week ago was part of their planning expectations for the SMO by September 2022?

Answer: No

Their plans for the SMO have failed.

It is best to face reality squarely and objectively, as it is, and to not allow our personal biases/preferences to cloud either our observations or conclusions of what is and why it is so.

Now they are making totally new plans and setting new goals and expectations for what success looks like. This should be really clear to everyone by now but it isn't. In time it will be, and with better hindsight.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 5:21 utc | 346

@336 Sean AU

yes, i want to let the games upset me less. one thing the samarkand group and others have done is jumpstart the literal and political easyern connections. as russia says, it’s unstoppable now.

also heard an interview where a wiman said that india would like to pick up the lost china exports to the usa. who knows.

anyway, good reminder.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 23 2022 5:27 utc | 347

Don Bacon, I don't disagree with your conclusions but the Quad was still created " to do " something in particular. India still joined up and is still in it. The point is about Indian rhetoric and "diplomacy/trustworthiness" not whether the Quad is worth a nickle. AUKUS is as big a joke, maybe even worse. cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 5:27 utc | 348

@daffyDuct | Sep 22 2022 23:48 utc | 284

Western military pundits, and perhaps also NATO Secretary General Jens “Great Dane” Stoltenberg, who simply regard the Russians as finished will want to consider these realities.
Continue attacking the traitor Jens Stoltenberg for all the right reasons, but when you do, do it correctly: He is not Danish, he is Norwegian (unfortunately)

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 5:31 utc | 349

Posted by: JC | Sep 23 2022 4:51 utc | 335

You mightn't have picked up on what I was trying to convey there JC. Donbass survival depends on following Russia's plan. Strelkov... He led the resistance in the months after the US coup and no doubt inspired many others. That resistance would have been annihilated some weeks or months after MH17 if Russia had not stepped in. I cannot remember the time frame offhand but I think it was shortly after Europe and the US west imposed the MH17 sanctions that there was a sudden change in fortunes for the resistance. It was around that time or just after Strelkov was outed.
He would never have signed up to Minsk 1 or 2. That would have left Russia with no options other than to step back and see the resistance destroyed or enter into a war that it could not win, or could not be sure of winning at that point in time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 5:39 utc | 350

@Karlof1
Hey Karl.

Just wanted to pipe in and thank you for all of your links, quotes, highlights and comments on all of this WW3 stuff.

I usually pop over to your VK site to read the rest or to find clarification and sometimes I take different sources and run them through different translators to be sure of the meaning.

Whilst I rarely comment, I wanted to say that your input to this site is vital.

From an objective assessment, we are in WW3 right now and we are all hoping that it does not spread wider than it currently is at although, with the caliber of leaders available, I am not sure it is possible.

From my understanding, Lavrov's UN speech declared the "West" to be parties to the Ukraine conflict.

This is a very precarious moment to be at. President Putin is not a dictator and many in the Russian government are guiding what is happening. Putin's soft approach seems to be taking a back seat at the moment, but we can hope it is all bluster because the first "Western" asset to be taken out will change the scene entirely.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Sep 23 2022 5:43 utc | 351

Save the rap about Ukraine 'sovereignty.' Just one recent example, US chose Ukr's 2004 Pres: “The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years [2003-2004] to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring [US preferred] opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won last month’s disputed runoff election….IRI, [a taxpayer funded division of NED],…used US money to help [US-preferred candidate] Yushchenko arrange meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney, Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage and GOP leaders in Congress in February 2003.“...(5th parag. from end) 12/11/2004, “U.S. funds political groups in Ukraine,” AP...https://www.deseret.com/2004/12/11/19866090/u-s-funds-political-groups-in-ukraine

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 23 2022 5:45 utc | 352

JC | Sep 23 2022 5:16 utc | 345
Don Bacon | Sep 23 2022 5:13 utc | 344

This is merely westie empire privilege sneering – not going to work anymore
This is what you tried on russia, remember 'a gas station with a tea lady' ?
When you’re done giggling check out US infra reports from ACA

CSLs buy some time but soon the peasants revolt – China trade in Africa in general greatly exceeds ynakee, Keyna in particular, for infra development the US doesn’t have a clue while….

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:47 utc | 353

@michaelj72 | Sep 23 2022 1:06 utc | 305

It was only when the North Vietnamese held a “vote” at Dien Bien Phu that France “decided” to accept the will of the people.
Precisely so!

Unlike the United States and the former global colonial powers, Russia is letting the people in the besieged Ukrainian oblasts decide. We are living through consequential history. This is a true game changer...."
Actually, they decide on their own.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 5:52 utc | 354

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:05 utc | 342


Caramba ! That’s exactly what the westies said about Russia and thought to attack – not so long ago they were saying exactly the same about China – look where that…

And China ...
And Iran ...
And Vietnam ...


Talking nonsense all the time catches up with you in the end

They always manage to stay one step ahead of their nonsense ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2022 5:53 utc | 355

It is interesting to skim through the comments and estimate that over 50% are newbie commenters and their message is counter to the discussions that are normally going on in this bar.....maybe their presence will have some impact on the occasional MoA readers that extend the cred of b's web site to their comments but I doubt it will be money well spent by empire in the long run.

I look forward to the voting results

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 23 2022 5:54 utc | 356

@Alan | Sep 23 2022 1:41 utc | 308

Why not use the "American model" of always using "Overwhelming Force" to quickly break the resistance of the enemy? After all, Russia does possess such an overwhelming force advantage.
Learning from which successful "American model" exactly? Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Cambodia? Syria? Libya?

Maybe it is better to look for actual, lasting solutions rather than copy failures.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 5:57 utc | 357

Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2022 5:53 utc | 355

«They always manage to stay one step ahead of their nonsense ... »

If there is one thing to be learned about what RF and RoW are now doing it is that this is no longer true

Besides - Look at Vietnam onwards etc & tell me if that is staying one step ahead – snatching defeat from every war hardly counts as success – what they call staying ahead is merely squandering away all the wealth and advantages they started out with, selling out their country for peanuts

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:59 utc | 358

Now they are making totally new plans and setting new goals and expectations for what success looks like. This should be really clear to everyone by now but it isn't. In time it will be, and with better hindsight.
Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 5:21 utc | 346

... which seems to be highlighted here in this article already mentioned above, including by Medvedev himself. https://www.indianpunchline.com/why-ukraine-referendum-is-a-big-deal/

such as

Medvedev wrote in his Telegram channel: “Referendums in Donbass are of great importance not only for the systemic protection of the inhabitants of the LNR, DNR (Donbass) and other liberated territories, but also for the restoration of historical justice.”

[ iow the GOALS and the TACTICS have changed from the original SMO planning/expectations? Russia even pulled back troops from the Kiev region as a an act of good faith to garner the "peace deal" in March. ]

In Medvedev’s opinion, these plebiscites “completely change the vector of Russia’s development for decades.” He adds, “And not only our country. Because after they (referendums) are held and the new territories are accepted into Russia, the geopolitical transformation in the world will become irreversible.”

Most important, Medvedev forewarns, “An encroachment on the territory of Russia is a crime, the commission of which allows you to use all the forces of self-defence.”

[...] That is why these referendums are so feared in Kiev and in the West. That is why they need to be carried out.”

What emerges is that Russia has given up hopes of any negotiated settlement. Moscow was initially optimistic that Kiev would negotiate, ... [ the goals of the original SMO, yes?]

[...] Suffice to say, the referendum on Wednesday is Russia’s only available course of action under the [new/current?] circumstances [ie the failure of the SMO to get desired results]...

The accession of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye creates a new political reality and Russia’s partial mobilisation on parallel track is intended to provide the military underpinning for it. The accession signifies a paradigm shift insofar as any further attacks on these regions can be construed by Moscow as attacks on Russia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.

I think best description is " it's a game changer " Cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 6:25 utc | 359

What "full-scale invasion"? There wasn't one.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 6:28 utc | 360

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 22 2022 15:32 utc | 95

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your comments on this thread have exposed you as an idiot and tool of western propaganda. Yes it is possible to take a generally non-partisan view of the events in Ukraine, to be anti-war/imperial across the board, etc. But that's not what you're doing. World Wars are not bad for business. Vast fortunes are made in world wars. Why after the last world war, western companies got western governments to pay them for the investments they had in Nazi germany and lost to the war. World wars are the most opportune time for directing huge sums of public money into private pockets.

And your comments on mobilization in Russia are obviously straight from the most extreme propaganda networks. So either you believe those networks or you have a reason to promote their content. Of course there are Russian propaganda networks and no they shouldn't be believed any more than Ukrainian or UK/US/NATO propaganda networks.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 22 2022 16:05 utc | 106

The explanation is right there in the handle: "Tom in UK". Tbh, giving a UK poster "the benefit of the doubt" in the first place is on you.

The Russian nukes that will soon annihilate all life on that disgusting island (it's area-wise not a big place at all) will be in the service of all mankind.

Posted by: Unnamed | Sep 23 2022 6:39 utc | 361

EU: Punish Ukrainians, not Russians

RT has published an opinion by Ivan Timofeev criticizing EU's anti-Russian sanctions for not working toward their stated goals.

The EU’s von der Leyen is completely wrong about anti-Russia sanctions, and here’s why - RT, September 22, 2022

The key measure of the effectiveness of sanctions is whether they change the political course of the target country. This criterion has been well researched in both academic and applied literature and few people have any doubts about its veracity.

However, Russia has not changed its political course in Ukraine under the influence of the large-scale sanctions of the EU, US and other initiators. Moreover, its position is hardening, as evidenced by this week’s announcements of both a partial mobilization and the referendums.

Timofeev misses the key point: The sanctions are not targeted at Russians, but at Ukrainians, who might want to become Russian. The European Union offers all kind of freebies to Ukrainians who want to join NATO. Those that opt for Russia, like Crimeans are punished with sanctions: no visas, no mail, Western software, no social media accounts. Western sanctions are a form of blackmail.

***

On semiconductors

Timofeev is referring to Ursula von der Leyen's infamous speech (17 second video) at the European Parliament in Strasbourg on September 14, 2022.

"The Russian military is taking chips from dishwashers and refrigerators to fix their military hardware, because there are no semiconductors anymore. Russia’s industry is in tatters."

The statement is bullshit, but may have a ring of truth. But in reality it is the West that is most suffering from a chip shortage.

ASML CEO: Industrial conglomerate buying washing machines to rip out semiconductors - The Register, April 21, 2022

"I met the executive of a very large industrial company, a conglomerate, last week, and actually they told me that they're buying washing machines to rip out the semiconductors to put them in industrial modules."

Washing machines use simple 8-bit or 16-bit processors developed in the 1980s. Millions of comparable processors were produced in the Soviet Union and used in home computers. Today Russia has fabs using 65 nm processes and produces hundreds of millions of chips. The latest processor from China (Taiwan) are produced using a 7 nm process. None of these are needed in modern smart weapons. A smartphone has more electronics than is used in any Western of Russian smart missile.

Ultimately, the World Economic War may be decided by access to semiconductors. Taiwan leads, but China is catching up fast. One company, the Dutch ASML, controls the production of state-of-the-art integrated circuits. American secondary sanctions prevent ASML from exporting its top-end lithography machines to China or Russia.

In the 1970 and 1980 the US tried to limit the export of semiconductor making machinery to the Soviet Union. (CIA documents from 1974 and 1976) Asianometry has an interesting video on Soviet computers. But he is wrong about why the "Soviet Computer" failed. Soviet and later Russian computing failed because globalization flooded the Russian market with cheap Western and Asian imports. The global economic war means protections against international trade. This will lead to the rise of dollar-free computing and dollar-free electronics.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 23 2022 6:56 utc | 362

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 5:31 utc | 349

His predecessor Anders Fogh Rasmussen was of course a Dane, which might be the source of the confusion. I've always it very strange about how NATO made a sudden shift from a Dane who was just before the country's Prime Minister to a Norwegian who was just before the country's PM. That inorganic similarity is just very weird to me (given what NATO and the transatlantic elites are like, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some occult significance to it).

And though I don't wish to defend Rasmussen in any way, he comes off as having about double the intelligence of Stoltenberg. The latter gives the strong impression of mental retardation combined with some kind of speech impediment. He speaks in simple, stulted (no pun intended) language, with weird eye and facial expressions, and literally never says anything of substance. Bizarre. The best explanation I can find for the choice of Stoltenberg is that the US is showing its disdain for the organization, i.e. making a statement as to how irrelevant it is.

Posted by: Unnamed | Sep 23 2022 6:58 utc | 363

Fwiw, Putin directly addresses the equipment deficit on the DPR / LPR side and ordered it to be rectified

Posted by: dan | Sep 23 2022 7:05 utc | 364

... Well, it is an alternative to your anti Putin (therefore Russia phobic) comments.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 22 2022 18:46 utc | 188

You egregiously misjudge my tone, and therefore my position, with respect to Vladimir Putin, Russia and Russians generally. I simply stated the rather obvious truth of recent oligarch deaths in a matter-of-fact way.

Please take more care in future.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2022 7:07 utc | 365

Ukraine only survived because the Russians withdrew from Kiev, then withdrew from East of Kharkiv.

Ukraine survived because RF army high command is mentally stucked in Soviet (Warsaw Pact) era. They can have the best equipment, trained troops etc. But without letting field officers to show iniciative there is no way they can beat NATO in conventional war.

Posted by: Kamil | Sep 23 2022 7:07 utc | 366

The gloves are off. Russia will soon claim the geographic oblasts boundaries of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk are Russia. If Ukraine offered those 4 settlements to end the conflict today, it is unlikely (conjecture) Russia would accept.

Even Macron and Scholz have made conflicting statement over the last 2 days. Macron stated the goal is to obtain a negotiated peace in Ukraine. Scholz 'Germany intends to do everything possible to prevent the conflict from escalating between Russia and NATO"

The dancing of the western media (military and govt talking heads) these next several months will be something to behold

Dmitry Medvedev (Russian deputy chairman of security council and former president) made a Telegram post at 4 AM (CDT) 9.22.2022

Quote "
1. Referendums will be held, and the Donbass republics and other territories will be accepted into Russia.
2. The protection of all joined territories will be significantly strengthened by the Russian Armed Forces.
3. Russia announced that not only mobilization capabilities, but also any Russian weapons, including strategic nuclear weapons and weapons based on new principles, could be used for such protection.

Therefore, various retired idiots with generals' stripes do not need to scare us with talk about a NATO strike on Crimea. Hypersonic is guaranteed to be able to reach targets in Europe and the United States much faster.
But the Western establishment, in general, all citizens of the NATO countries need to understand that Russia has chosen its own path. There is no way back."

Sure it is a game changer. But that only means the game has changed. It does not mean Russia has won this new game, nor does it mean it is likely or possible to achieve it's objectives long term. Only time will tell.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 23 2022 7:10 utc | 367

UAF build-up in Ugledar has apparently taken some decent hits, losing their temporary trenches, artillery and mining equipment. A few weeks ago this was where they were expected to launch an offensive SE towards Mariupol and/or south of Donbass.

In Ugledar, Allies capture Ukrainian forts and equipment to rubble
1,009 views Sep 23, 2022 In Ugledar, Allies capture Ukrainian forts and equipment to rubble. Soldiers from the 3rd battalion named 383rd Mining Division and NM DPR recaptured the positions of Armed Forces of Ukraine in the trench fortress with their military equipment in Ugledar, Donetsk region. The artillery barrage destroyed the trench forts and the armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery and others were reduced to rubble. Ukrainian army lost an important trench and that was the end of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1aisRI4RA

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2022 7:27 utc | 368

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2022 20:14 utc | 212
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2022 20:44 utc | 228

Great posts, thank you.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2022 7:46 utc | 369

Putin himself is the biggest enemy of Russia, because Putin, this fucking idiot still is too weak, too coward and too late to win 🤣🤣🤣

still no actions against ukrainian decision centers full with nato-soldiers/commanders..

still no actions against weapons delivered from the West..

still no actions against ukrainian infrastructure like railway, bridges, electricity to reduce their abilities..

still no actions against foreign fighters in the Ukraine – no, he even frees them and allows these bastards to leave russia / and he even allows the nazi-commanders from azovstal to go back to Ukraine 🤮

it seems that Putin and Schoigu are fucking traitors, paid to destroy russia and to reduce russias population..

they needed 7 months to realise that 10000 policemen are not enough for Ukraine..

and they will need 7 more months to see that they must destroy western weapons before they can be used to kill russians..

and 7 months later they will see that it would be helpful to destroy ukranian infrastructure..

what stupid and dumb idiots in this 3rd world shithole are responsible for military strategy??

fucking idiots Putin, Schoigu and all the other bastards.. they had a big chance in 2014, but Putin decided to sent 200.000 encircled ukrainian soldiers home again to give them the chance to come back much stronger many years later and now he has similiar stupid strategies again 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Joe9211 | Sep 23 2022 8:01 utc | 370

@ Don Bacon | Sep 22 2022 20:23 utc | 219

You are both right. The American public is generally unintelligent. The American public also has no say in government policy. These two are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: FVK | Sep 23 2022 8:07 utc | 371

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 22 2022 20:23 utc | 219

Stupidity is the least the US population (as a whole) can be accused of. Your arrogance and ridiculous sense of entitlement at being confronted with this (and threating other posters with your "wrath", which is just laughable) are headed for the dustbin of history.

Posted by: Unnamed | Sep 23 2022 8:15 utc | 372

This troll never stops. He makes my arse tired.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 22 2022 18:22 utc | 170

So why are you repeating this shit?

Posted by: RB | Sep 23 2022 8:41 utc | 373

Posted by: Vintage Red | Sep 23 2022 1:00 utc | 302

Welcome back, Vintage Red! I hope your return is a sign that what was at the beginning is now nearing the end.

One can dream, and hope. . .

Posted by: juliania | Sep 23 2022 3:54 utc | 324

***

Thank you, and I hope you are doing well!

I've always been here, though I'm one of those barflies who doesn't post before reading every comment—very often I find someone has already stated what I'd have written, and even more effectively. The past several weeks have been a torrent.

As to nearing an end I'm 110% for undoing the Empire of Lies, but I'm more and more recalling a comment on 11 Sept. by Jhaji:

"Putin is actually containing a possible world war by conducting the war the way he is doing. It would seem that the greater part of the world knows this and therefore they support silently and through their actions economically. Putin is letting NATO come to him and fight it wave after wave consuming the armaments, money, and soldiers. NATO has the burden of financing Ukraine and the war entirely. Suppose RF captured all of east Ukraine in a month or two at a great price of soldiers, arms and cost. Do you think NATO as of now will just accept it and move on? It is clear that they will take the worldwide war forward by any means available. Now they are constrained by the framework of conventional war between two countries.

"Some are worried about the optics of strengths and weaknesses. But there is deeper optic at work. This is the optic of justice combined with the optics of strength that is operating world wide. The rest of the world knows what NATO is, at least now. The optics of democracy is shattered everywhere but in the West itself. The west is in a kind of slow and steady implosion and we can expect to see some process of recovery begin in future. It certainly won’t come from the elite. As of now the rest of the world has to treat the West in a delicate way so that it does not harm the world while it implodes."

Wow. Future historians will refer to this as the Tightrope War. And when on a tightrope with no safety net, we can only hope and dream for that end.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Sep 23 2022 8:44 utc | 374

Nato statement: "Nato is very concerned about Moldovan state's security".

Make of it what you like, I'll take it as Ukraine has impaled most potent reserves attacking in Kherson, and maybe other areas.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2022 8:53 utc | 375

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2022 0:27 utc | 297
"not just a bunch of individual comments that don't link together in a manner that creates wisdom"

For that to happen, this needs to be a blog with threaded comments, to start with. Those with wisdom, like yourself, would get more thoughtful responses.

At some point, however, almost all blogs not heavily moderated fail to produce value over BS. It's just the nature of Internet social media.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 23 2022 8:53 utc | 376

@b cleanup and block this repetitive cut-n-paste troll please:


`Posted by: Joe9211 | Sep 23 2022 8:01 utc | 371`

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2022 9:07 utc | 377

Official English translation of FM Lavrov's address to the UN is up.

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1830851/

Some choice bits:

"Zelensky’s interview on August 5, 2021 was a high point...he told everyone who feels Russian to leave for Russia for the good of their children and grandchildren.

I think that the decisions made by the people in a number of Ukrainian regions to hold referendums are a response to his wishes."


"The position of the states that are pumping Ukraine with weapons and combat equipment and training its armed forces is particularly cynical against this backdrop. The goal is obvious...to drag out the hostilities as much as possible despite the human losses and destruction in order to exhaust and weaken Russia.

This implies the direct involvement of Western countries in the Ukrainian conflict, which is turning them into its party.

The deliberate fuelling of this conflict by the collective West also goes without consequence.

Indeed, they won’t punish themselves, will they?"

Regarding punishment, the RU spox alluded to this earlier this year:
https://www.lauriemeadows.info/conflict_security/Commentaries-on-geo-economics-and-governance-2022-09-13.html

Make of the 2 references what you will. In my opinion, that which is done to others will be done to them. Not hastily, but steadily - steadfastly - and incrementally.

It's not revenge, it's deterrence.

Posted by: powerandpeople | Sep 23 2022 9:17 utc | 378

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 23 2022 5:59 utc | 358


«They always manage to stay one step ahead of their nonsense ... »
If there is one thing to be learned about what RF and RoW are now doing it is that this is no longer true
Besides - Look at Vietnam onwards etc & tell me if that is staying one step ahead – snatching defeat from every war hardly counts as success

My statement remains true. Here's why:

Even if the RF erased, formatted and reinstalled Ukraine it will not harm one hair on the heads of the original "nonsense talkers"; Nuland. Pyatt. Kagan. Bojo. Macron. Biden (jr. and snr) etc ...

Madeleine Albright died peacefully in her bed, not impaled on a stake at the gates of Baghdad, as would have been just.

As for Vietnam: Kissinger, Caley , LBJ etc. got away more or less scott free. The USA has still not even paid reparations for Vietnam.

And so on, and so forth in the same vein ...

These arsonists destroy millions of lives, yet live to destroy millions more. They remain one step ahead of the nonsense they talk ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2022 9:21 utc | 379

ukraine is vanishing before our eyes...play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

Posted by: denazi | Sep 23 2022 9:36 utc | 380

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 22 2022 21:09 utc | 233

Great clarity, I will bear all you say in mind, thanks again!

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2022 9:37 utc | 381

Since many/most here are too precious to soil their ears with Gonzalo a report for you.

Larry Johnson appeared on Gonzalos show. What Larry gets from his contacts in intelligence is that all intelligence product concerning Ukraine comes directly from the Zelensky regime. There is no second source. There is no checking. There is no comparison to SIGINT. In turn the Zelensky regime gets all its main talking points from Nuland Kagans Clintons. Maybe Hunter or cronies who can stand up add a bit. Of course this causes problems for those on ground expected to move physical objects around the map and accomplish things. They can complain to Larry, not much else.

Take a look at the UNGA photo of Blinken with the two ladies behind him. The large unhappy white lady is what Nuland looks like these days. That may be the most powerful player on stage at this moment.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 23 2022 9:41 utc | 382

So while Russia expands its territory by integrating a land mass the size of South Korea, the Anglos are borrowing 100bn to keep the lights on for the bext 6 months, according to the african chancellor of the exchequers plans announced this morning.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 23 2022 9:43 utc | 383

More civilians blown to pieces in Donetsk, eight years and six months in.

So when does Vlad go nuclear and end it already? This SMO, despite its early promise, is a crock of shit.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Sep 23 2022 9:44 utc | 384

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Sep 23 2022 9:44 utc | 385


More civilians blown to pieces in Donetsk, eight years and six months in.
So when does Vlad go nuclear and end it already?

And you think going nuclear will suddenly end civilians being blown to bits?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2022 9:47 utc | 385

They'll be held safely in Izmir.

Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 22 2022 21:34 utc | 240

Well, supposedly, I guess, who’s saying that, who’s gonna be checking? I think the NAZO media guys need to find some new filming locations, they already used Izmir as a backdrop for their gossamer-thin denial of Cloutier’s capture:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cloutier-captured-idUSL2N2W914L

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2022 10:02 utc | 386

@Unnamed | Sep 23 2022 6:58 utc | 364

Stoltenberg is severely frightened and compromised (Hint: 22. July 2011).

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 10:05 utc | 387

@204:
there is a very strong reverse correlation between the number of times someone uses the word "fucking" (or other obscenities and insults) and their intellectual level. Trolls sort themselves out: there are stupid trolls and then extremely stupid trolls. They all are annoying but it is reassuring that intelligent trolls are not to be found.

Posted by: Anthony | Sep 23 2022 10:08 utc | 388

UNGA photo of Blinken
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 23 2022 9:41 utc | 383

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US secretary of state Antony Blinken’s father dies aged 96 ==> https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40967588.html

https://twitter.com/ABlinken/status/1573151379866132480

Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2022 10:09 utc | 389

... The non extradition is for when things go wrong.

Posted by: hankster | Sep 22 2022 21:47 utc | 246

What happens in WestWorld, stays in Israel?

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2022 10:10 utc | 390

From IntelSlava

🇵🇱⚡️Polish schools are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets in case of a threat of radioactive contamination, Rzeczpospolita writes, citing information from the National Association of Educational Leaders.

Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2022 10:18 utc | 391

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 23 2022 9:41 utc | 383

thanks I'm watching yesterday's roundtable now.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 23 2022 10:28 utc | 392

From RT, Macron speculated about Putin’s mindset regarding the SMO in Ukraine:

“I have no rational explanation. I think this is a series of resentment, this is a strategy of hegemony in the region, and I would say this is a post-Covid-19 consequence, isolation,” he said.
I think Macron is projecting like most 'leaders' in the West. He makes a Covid-19 connection which is relevant, but not the way he claims. In any case, he claims to be irrational.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 10:36 utc | 393

The trolls blaming Russia for civilians being tortured, terrorized, and blown up by Nazis seem to forget that it is their beloved Nazis who are targeting, torturing, and terrorizing civilians, not the Russians.

The level of stupidity and delusion that the western world has achieved is truly staggering.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 23 2022 10:41 utc | 394

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 10:36 utc | 394

Macron is living in an alternate reality, like every other western "leader".

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 23 2022 10:45 utc | 395

Typical psychopath justification: "It's all your fault because you didn't stop me!"

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 23 2022 10:46 utc | 396

Re: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 3:55 utc | 325

Donbass is fighting a small local war and Russia is fighting the empire of lies. It is only if Russia wins that Donbass survives. Their issues are real. More will die. If Russia doesn't play its cards right, Donbass will be very close to the epicenter or starting point of Armageddon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2022 4:24 utc | 331

The interviewer addressed that very point and Texas expressed great admiration for the broader geopolitical strategy. But he and many fighters in Donetz have been feeling they are about to be overrun. He says that even if they take a neighborhood in the West of Donetsk City they will have over 10,000 human shields neutralizing all Allied artillery, tanks, drones and most likely Ukries will then take more and roll up all of Donetsk. They have a saying: As goes Donbass so goes Russia. And he adds that if Russia goes, so does the free world.

This is one man's perspective. Clearly he is rattled. But so are many others he cites.

Interesting that these soldiers active in the field do not read the MoD reports regarding them as rubbish.

I think his sense of Donetsk City being about to be overrun is worth considering seriously and might explain the sense of things being rushed of late.

He also reported huge disappointment that Russia called off a planned offensive with 15000 additional forces recently.

I think he is right that if Ukries take a neighborhood in City that would be very bad.

He gives the interview in his home in D city less than 5 miles away from U bunkers with artillery pointed at him. They have not been pushed back an inch since February 24th.

Things on the ground in crisis there.

Voting no longer in polling stations. Too dangerous as per report from in situ journalist today: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4j5mZneFY

I don't usually watch videos but Texas is a unique source. As is the lady reporting from there and blocked by many outlets.

Looks like PCR has had a better read all along than most pro-kremlin Barflies here.

Finally, Tex pointed out that the only reason things are so pear shaped in Donbass is because of RF's and their humanitarian approach to reduce civilian damage to life and infrastructure. 'it's commendable and noble but it's not working!' he says.

So yes the geopolitical theater is ultimately the most important but if they get 20,000 Nazis in Donetsk City next week it could be a bloodbath, moreover one that could lead to serious adverse results on the ground which in turn could crater the wider strategy. Perhaps why so little overt support in UN statements. They are not yet convinced that Uncle Schmuel is down for the count.

A perspective worth keeping in mind.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 10:51 utc | 397

I think Macron is projecting like most 'leaders' in the West. He makes a Covid-19 connection which is relevant, but not the way he claims. In any case, he claims to be irrational.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 23 2022 10:36 utc | 394

There have been more studies coming out how the pfizer/moderna covid shots have ended up changing blood formulation in recipients. Red blood cells have been "clumping" together. I wonder if this has something to do with general levels of intelligence, too. People generally going more berserk, crazy in addition to "unexplained excess mortality" rates climbing.

https://www.technocracy.news/peer-reviewed-study-94-of-vaccinated-patients-with-subsequent-health-issues-have-abnormal-blood/

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2022 10:58 utc | 398

JC | Sep 23 2022 4:51 utc | 335
“……there were many leaders killed or murdered... can't remember their names now

Sad. At the time those names were promised they’d be immortal for their sacrifice to the independent republics. Not even a decade later…. Lost in the blur of death and blood.
Givi:Mikhail Sergeyevich Tolstykh. 1980-2017
Motorola:Arsen Sergeyevich Pavlov. 1983-2016
Prime Minister of the Donetsk People's Republic: Aleksandr Vladimirovich Zakharchenko. 1976-2018

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2022 11:07 utc | 399

https://www.rt.com/russia/563182-another-afghanistan-in-making-how/

Another front opening up?

"While the leaders of more than 20 major Asian countries – including Russia, China, Turkey, and India – held talks in the ancient city of Samarkand only a few hundred kilometers away, large-scale hostilities erupted on the border between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, last week. As their presidents also participated in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit, the conflict erupted with the use of heavy weapons and claimed hundreds of lives."

Putin has been looking chipper of late. Let's hope he is still on the ball and ready to roll with the punches coming thick and fast. He took many years setting this up and his adversaries run an Empire running on fumes of Lies so....

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 23 2022 11:11 utc | 400

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