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September 18, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-153
News & views related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Question: Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2022 12:23 utc | 1 We are living now in an increasingly Totalitarian political wasteland or at least, we are hurtling towards it. Firstly, thank God for the SMO initiated by Russia, it has seriously slowed down the velocity of this momentum. In fact, thanks to the EU committing suicide and the USA going into a rapidly steep economic decline, I believe the NWO is now dead in the water because the Globalist WEF Leaders in the collective West have no care or concern about their own citizens. Civil unrest is coming and I believe it will be serious, in huge numbers and will have an impact on Government and politics. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 12:30 utc | 2 Ukies knickers are all in a knot after Romania’s former foreign minister suggested that the Frankenstein Monster created by the Bolsheviks in 1922 and the Soviets under Stalin and Khrushchev created the Ukraine SSR by adding both parts of Russia (including Donbass and all the ethnic Russian majority Black Sea littoral) to a few Oblasts which were highly majority ethnic Ukrainians should be dismembered. Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 12:46 utc | 3 Alexander Mercouris in yesterday’s broadcast discussed the the press conference President Putin gave to Russian journos in Sarakand. Posted by: Sternberg | Sep 18 2022 12:47 utc | 4 Correction: Should read “Ukraine is unraveling” rather than “raveling”. A bit groggy here in mornings unlike most early risers. Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 12:50 utc | 5 For the west, narrative is king, and the narrative is that russia is failing and being seen to fail in its invasion of ukraine. glacial progress on the donbass front combined with ‘stunning’ gains by ukranian forces on the battlefields as they push russia back to its borders in the north and press forwards in the south is providing a field day for media gossipists and youtube channels like ‘professor’ patrick boyle. not good. Posted by: Oh | Sep 18 2022 12:53 utc | 6 Question: Posted by: Tom | Sep 18 2022 12:54 utc | 7 sorry for the typos in Posted by: Sternberg | Sep 18 2022 12:56 utc | 8 Many barflies have shown interest in Jacques Baud’s analyses. I’d like to point out that an English edition of his book Poutine: maître du jeu ? will be published on 11 October by his French publisher Max Milo, under the title Putin : Game Master?
For the moment, unfortunately, there is no indication that his most recent book, Opération Z, is about to be translated. Posted by: Leuk | Sep 18 2022 13:05 utc | 9 Jo Dominic@3 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 10 Those Iranian Shahed-136 loitering munitions being deployed by Russia are very impressive. It is going to cause the other side all kinds of problems. Posted by: circumspect | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 11 I am sure this has been asked before and I missed it. Allow me to indulge in a repetitive question. Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:10 utc | 12 This one by Mercouris is a very good one: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 18 2022 13:13 utc | 13 @chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:10 utc | 16
Yes. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:14 utc | 14 The longer view is coming into focus with the Europeans being “groomed” for war against Russia, as early as next year I reckon… Russians are simultaneously: war criminals, weak, losing, to blame for inflation, turning off the gas/oil/fertilizers, etc. With a cold winter and a recession next up in the playbook, Putin should be looking to end the SMO sooner rather than later. Posted by: North Patagonia | Sep 18 2022 13:16 utc | 15 Thanks Norwegian. I’ll listen to that this afternoon. I think Gonzalo’s take from some time ago will prevail. At least I hope it does. An agreement will eventually be made to stop the whole thing on the condition that troublemaking Americans get kicked out of Europe. I think everyone would benefit from that. Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:19 utc | 16 @North Patagonia | Sep 18 2022 13:16 utc | 19 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 17 A note from my study of Linguistics and in regard to English usage of the definite article ‘the’: Posted by: Tedder | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 18 @aristodemos #14 Posted by: Leuk | Sep 18 2022 13:34 utc | 19 Gonzalo Lira just did a 2 hour live stream with The Duran and Brian Beretic of the New Atlas a few days ago Posted by: Lauren Michele | Sep 18 2022 13:35 utc | 20 @chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:19 utc | 20 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:38 utc | 21 @too scents | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 21
Twitter is all that counts /s Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:39 utc | 22 A bus in Latvia: “Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only” Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:51 utc | 23 Tragic coward Zylynskyyy ran for President on a platform of making peace in the Donbass provinces, and actually moved toward embracing the Steinmeier formula for implementing the Minsk Accords, but then he capitulated to neo-Nazi war-mongers and brought ruin to Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine as Ukraine was preparing to deep-six the moribund Minsk Accords and invade the breakaway Donbass republics. Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 13:53 utc | 24 @Lauren Michele | Sep 18 2022 13:35 utc | 24 Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 14:01 utc | 25 @ John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 13:53 utc | 28 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 18 2022 14:05 utc | 26 Regarding Tragic Coward Volodymyr Zelensky, I provided links to articles documenting his sell-out to the Neo-Nazis starting with this Twitter thread: Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 14:18 utc | 27 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 14 Posted by: Andaréapié | Sep 18 2022 14:21 utc | 28 @Sternberg #6 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 14:27 utc | 29 Leuk@23 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:29 utc | 30 A bus in Latvia: “Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only” Posted by: fanto | Sep 18 2022 14:30 utc | 31 John Schmeckte @ 2 postings: Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:36 utc | 32 @fanto | Sep 18 2022 14:30 utc | 31 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 14:40 utc | 33 The iranian drones are doing a killing on Ukronazis: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/42436?single Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 14:44 utc | 34 Andereapie@28 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:46 utc | 35 I do not believe in any revolt in EU. Posted by: marko | Sep 18 2022 14:51 utc | 36 circumspect@15 “…Iranian Shahed-136…” Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 18 2022 14:57 utc | 37 Garland Nixon has a 55 minute piece on what Europe will look like this winter and next Spring. I’ve never watched him until now but his predictions make a lot of sense and are worth the time to watch. In summary he says: Posted by: migueljose | Sep 18 2022 15:02 utc | 38 >Question: Posted by: Ivan | Sep 18 2022 15:16 utc | 39 What are the implications for the EU if war becomes WW3? No energy from the east. Those tankers coming from the US to the EU? It’s a big ocean filled with subs. Possibly a very short war. Who knows? Posted by: Leroy | Sep 18 2022 15:19 utc | 40 Kareem | Sep 18 2022 14:44 utc | 34 Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 18 2022 15:20 utc | 41 Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine – as of September 18, 2022 Posted by: Summary | Sep 18 2022 15:20 utc | 42 Jānis Sārts, the Director of NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (Riga) — the head of NATO propaganda — has visited a conference in Warsaw wearing socks by a “patriotic” Ukrainian brand that read (photo): Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 15:29 utc | 43 LLYFH@13 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:30 utc | 44 Too Scents@33 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:33 utc | 45 Marko@36 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:36 utc | 46 This is how the world ends. Posted by: Objective Observer | Sep 18 2022 15:42 utc | 47 Before anyone gets butthurt about Russia using Iranian drones, yes, we know Russia has fancy and expensive drones on par with what the US uses. But using expensive drones in environments where your opponents have some limited air defenses (stingers, in the case of the Ukraine) is like using benjamins for toilet paper, and that is before Benjamin went on a diet with all of this inflation lately. Big and expensive strike drones are easy targets, so they are best used against goat herders who are only armed with pointed sticks. This is why the Russians are mostly using their Orlan-10 drones; because they are good at what they do and they are dirt cheap. Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 15:49 utc | 48 @34 “One can expect a discreet but steady increase in military and civilian cooperation between Moscow and Tehran…” Posted by: dh | Sep 18 2022 15:55 utc | 49 Just a countermeme to all this: Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 15:58 utc | 50 @Norwegian #23:
This is a political performance. There are no such signs in Latvia—yet. The sign was most likely attached by Latvian Russian activists to raise awareness of the fact that there are 182,375 so-called “non-citizens” in Latvia (120,205 of them ethnically Russian), who can’t vote, can’t be elected, etc., even though all of them either were born in Latvia or have lived there for most of their lives, i.e., their rights are limited simply because of their native language. Somehow the U.S. and the EU—those paladins of human rights and democracy—haven’t done anything about that racist system for 31 years. (Same system exists in Estonia.) Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 16:05 utc | 51 Reply to “Posted by: Tedder | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 182 concerning using “the” in front of names of lands/countries/states: Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Sep 18 2022 16:07 utc | 52 The Duran with Gonzalo was long and I haven’t gotten all the way through, but I found it interesting that Gonzalo said that the supermarkets and gas stations in Kharkov are still open and he even bought Chilean grapes a couple of days ago. Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 53 There is a healthy mood of (self)criticism and patriotic anger in Russia right now, at least outside some wealthy moscovites circles. Indeed a great patriotic war type of mobilization is not compatible with decades of capitalist neoliberalism (and years of narcissistic consumerism and its collateral damages of individualism, liberal “fragility” etc.) I have no contacts in Novorussia, but judging from TM of reliable civilians and military from.the Donbass (no they are not subliminal ukronazis trolls mind-controlled by Langley) their spirit is excellent, but their healthy anger at Moscow’s neoliberal elites in the corridors of the Kremlin, is quite sharp. Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 54 The physical war is not really important. This is an economic war with Russia, China, India, and OPEC vs the West. The West has already lost. They have no good moves in this game but they feel like they must play it out and hope for a mistake from the other side. Putin and Xi don’t seem to make major mistakes. Posted by: KHS | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 55 If this is anything to go by Russia is certainly not isolated, and many countries around the world don’t appear to back the Western narrative. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 18 2022 16:20 utc | 56 S @43. Well, it says all it needs to say about NATO’s hatred of Russia. Shame on Janiis of NATO wearing those socks. Shame on him. It wouldn’t look out of place in NAZI Germany. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 16:21 utc | 57 ” Ze is a Nazi President to rival Adolf in a serious way. He is seriously racist and harbours a deep hatred for Russia. He advocates the torture and murder of Russian POWs, the collective West encourage him. ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Sep 18 2022 16:24 utc | 58 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 15:49 utc | 48 Posted by: Karrem | Sep 18 2022 16:32 utc | 59
1. There is nothing easier than getting Slavs to fight among themselves, so never. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 18 2022 16:34 utc | 60 chunga @25 Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2022 16:35 utc | 61 Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 15:58 utc | 50 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 16:46 utc | 62 I’m an American, long-time reader, and first-time writer. Posted by: GoFast | Sep 18 2022 16:47 utc | 63 @ Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 12:30 utc | 2 Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 16:49 utc | 64 Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 54 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 17:01 utc | 66 There is no evidence or acknowledgement from Russia that they’re using or need Iranian drones. that is a narrative from Western sources, and some English Russian channels, all psyops. Posted by: BigBalls | Sep 18 2022 17:02 utc | 67 @Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 16:54 utc | 65 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 17:04 utc | 68 reply to 60 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 18 2022 17:12 utc | 69 It is true, an army does march on its stomach. How good is russian food for the folks lying in the trenches,the actual soldiers? Not very good by all measures. Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 17:26 utc | 70 @Eigthman #69 (nice),
Just my opinion/speculation but I think the US/EU are holding to “Ukraine must liberate all of its de jure territory including Crimea” in part to give Russia an offramp when it’s ready to call quits. That stance means that Russia can spin a significant defeat as “we fought all of NATO and forced *them* to make concessions” if the eventual ceasefire is something like pre-24Feb lines with no additional conditions.
Far more likely that Ukraine retakes Kherson than Russia takes Odessa. Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 18 2022 17:30 utc | 71 What is really amusing is this Kharkiv “offensive” is not even the first one. Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 17:34 utc | 72 @Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 17:26 utc | 70 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 17:37 utc | 73 Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 15:29 utc | 43
I think it is even more sinister than that. It has a connotation like stomping leaves or whacking weeds and shrubbery. Posted by: hopehely | Sep 18 2022 17:41 utc | 74 @70: what, don’t they get McDonald stuff? Horrid! Then how can they get an extra 50 kg fat to insulate them when winter comes? Really, if they do not even get proper Western Fast food, how could a Russian army possibly survive the cold? Happily we have intelligent people like you pointing this out! Posted by: Anthony | Sep 18 2022 17:43 utc | 75 @ Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 16:54 utc | 65 Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 17:44 utc | 76 To 69 Unintended consequences (equals European Union)… Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 18 2022 17:48 utc | 79 @ GoFast Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 17:50 utc | 80 BigBalls @67: “There is no evidence… that they’re using or need Iranian drones.” Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 17:55 utc | 82 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 18 2022 17:48 utc | 79 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 18:00 utc | 83 What drawbacks are there to Russians using Iranian drones? Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:03 utc | 84 William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 17:55 utc | 82 Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 18 2022 18:05 utc | 85 Meanwhile back in the real world… Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 17:34 utc | 72 Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 18 2022 18:21 utc | 87 Kazakh living in Germany tapes a Z on the Back of his car, gets reported by his Ukranian boss‘s wife to the cops. judge throws the book at him 1,800€ fine, 30 days loss of driver‘s license, plus 120 probation. Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2022 18:22 utc | 88 @Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:31 utc | 89 Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Sep 18 2022 16:07 utc | 52
Yes, the word krajina is (usually) not used by itself but you have to say which one, because they are many of them (srpska, bosanska, vojna, …). So, putting definite article in front of it you say The Special One. 🙂
Posted by: hopehely | Sep 18 2022 18:32 utc | 90 Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:31 utc | 89 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 18 2022 18:33 utc | 91 Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 18:35 utc | 92 « The ukraines » IMO, once this thing will be done. Posted by: Featherless | Sep 18 2022 18:48 utc | 93 When will the …..SMO, Ukrainian conflagration, WWIII … end? Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 18 2022 18:52 utc | 94 the US was in Vietnam a long time, too. 1954 to 1975? something like that. Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 18 2022 18:57 utc | 95 @Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 18 2022 19:07 utc | 96 @Tony_0pmoc #87 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 19:09 utc | 97 Here in the US we are staring to say that war is when your government tells you who the enemy is. And revolution is when you figure it out for yourself. Politicians. Just suck. Posted by: Leroy | Sep 18 2022 19:10 utc | 98 @Stonebird #94 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 19:15 utc | 100 |
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