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September 18, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-153

News & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Question:

What year will this war end ?

? Ukrainian Civil War
? Cold War 2.0

Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2022 12:23 utc | 1

We are living now in an increasingly Totalitarian political wasteland or at least, we are hurtling towards it. Firstly, thank God for the SMO initiated by Russia, it has seriously slowed down the velocity of this momentum. In fact, thanks to the EU committing suicide and the USA going into a rapidly steep economic decline, I believe the NWO is now dead in the water because the Globalist WEF Leaders in the collective West have no care or concern about their own citizens. Civil unrest is coming and I believe it will be serious, in huge numbers and will have an impact on Government and politics.

Although industrial levels of Censorship, Propaganda and blatant lies still pervades the international Western MSM, I think this is on the wane and will be more so when the reality of the consequences of the Sanctions imposed against Russia by the collective West. People in my social circles and workplace are now saying 'people need to take to the streets' in protest. These are people who wholeheartedly swallowed the Covid restrictions and up until the last 2 weeks, believed Russia was the evil in the world.

I note now that the EC intend to remove finance to Hungary allegedly due to 'corruption' but we all know it is really that they are the only country alongside Serbia that are challenging the blatant idiots that run the EU. UVDL is rapidly beginning to sound like a Dictator. She is drunk with power now and, imho, the nations that make up the EU need to start mounting a serious challenge to her increasing delusions that she is going to be the NWO Global Leader. I hope Orban stands firm, withdraws Hungary from the EU and turns towards Russia and the SCO. I hope too that Vucic ditches his desire for Serbia to join the EU.

It is a fact (the Pandora Papers) that Ukraine is not only the most corrupt country in Europe but probably in the World. Ze is a Nazi President to rival Adolf in a serious way. He is seriously racist and harbours a deep hatred for Russia. He advocates the torture and murder of Russian POWs, the collective West encourage him. He has presided over the exhumation of bodies in Izyum that were peacefully and respectfully laid to rest just for a photo optic propaganda opportunity, the collective West publish the propaganda. The UAF are now engaged in serious acts of Terrorism. The collective West encourage and support it. Fidel Castro was right in 1997 when he said "The next international war will be Russia against Facism only this time Fascism will be called democracy". A visionary who could see what the world was becoming.

Everything points to desperation by the collective West. They know Ukraine has lost this big time so they resort to Terrorism. I believe the time has come now where, within the next 2 weeks, the RF will take off the gloves and end this dispute comprehensively. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually took Kiev as well.

What is more shocking is the fact that the collective West has not condemned the exhumation of dead bodies which, in itself, is a monstrous act, just for propaganda purposes. Also that EU member countries are not condemning the proposed EC suspension of funding to Hungary. It isn't about corruption, the EC is rife with it as is Ukraine, it is to do with crushing any dissent to the WEF Globalist Agenda.

Amidst this desert of insanity, thank God for Putin, Xijingping, Raeisi, Modhi and other Presidents who are forging a fairer world order, mutually beneficial trade agreements and, above all, the voice of reason, rationality and truth.

I think Ukraine is finished. The SMO, once Russia takes its gloves off, will conclude it comprehensively in the near future. I live in the UK. Truss? A complete and utter idiot without a vestige of competence in diplomacy, leadership or critical analysis. Sterling has collapsed alongside the dollar. It is rapidly becoming a 3rd world country. It will be isolated internationally, even from europe, in record quick time. The USA isn't worth aligning to as a country.

The War Crime Tribunals are coming up and, I note that today, the UAF hit another POW camp. Smacks of desperation to keep people from testifying and telling the truth. I firmly believe truth will ultimately prevail, that the decency of Russia, China and other SCO nations will win the day and that light will triumph over the current darkness. The icing on the cake for me would be the arrest of Ze and a trial at the War Crime Tribunals.

God Bless Mother Russia and Vladimir Vladimirovich. Truth and light are on your side.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 12:30 utc | 2

Ukies knickers are all in a knot after Romania's former foreign minister suggested that the Frankenstein Monster created by the Bolsheviks in 1922 and the Soviets under Stalin and Khrushchev created the Ukraine SSR by adding both parts of Russia (including Donbass and all the ethnic Russian majority Black Sea littoral) to a few Oblasts which were highly majority ethnic Ukrainians should be dismembered.

No question that Ukraine is not a unitary nation. The surprise is that this voice from Romania got added to rumblings from popular sentiment in both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic. Though the Czechs do not have a dog in the fight, so to speak, their former Slovak Czechoslovak partners did lose land after WWII to the Ukies...at that time a loyal and substantial part of the USSR.

Romania has usually had sleazy governments, always ready to "cooperate" with the big dogs, whether in WWI or the Second. Hungary also lost Magyar speaking parts of Transcarpathia to Stalin's "readjustment" of borders. The always expansionist Polak regime is virtually slathering with spittle, dreaming of returning to suzreignty over Galicia, a region dominated by the Banderites and which never should have been appended to Ukraine.

The flies in the honeypot are the U$$A and UKistan, along with their various minion, occupied and puppet regimes in Western and Central Europe and their NATO imposed sanctions against Russia. The aim of the ruling bank$ters has long been to break up the Russian Federation so that they can impose their greedy control over the largest accumulation of natural resources on the planet.

Upshot of all this is that the imposed "coalition" to the west of Ukraine is raveling already (mostly due to their tottering economies and in some cases long memories. We can expect further disintegration of the assembly of puppets as the slow, steady disarming of the former SSR by Russia continues to degrade the UAF and then suddenly picks up steam as General Winter approaches.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 12:46 utc | 3

Alexander Mercouris in yesterday's broadcast discussed the the press conference President Putin gave to Russian journos in Sarakand.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAAowWtT6o

Alexander Mercouris particularly highlighted Persident Putin's remark regarding terroristic an attack against nuclear power plants in the Russian Federation, but Mercouris also remarked that is did not hear of any such events.

It might be that Putin was referring to the attack on the Kursk Nuclear Plant happening middle of August.

Dima of the Military Summary channel reported on August 16 on terroristic action aimed at affecting the Kursk nuclear power plant; allegedly carried out by Ukrainan saboteurs; go to 3min 35sec of his video of 08/16 linked below.

https://youtu.be/hRulpWZuiUE

for more details also see the article linked below:

https://en.topwar.ru/200393-ukrainskie-drg-podorvali-opory-linii-jelektroperedachi-atomnoj-stancii-v-kurskoj-oblasti.html?ysclid=l876tp2gvv173952860

Posted by: Sternberg | Sep 18 2022 12:47 utc | 4

Correction: Should read "Ukraine is unraveling" rather than "raveling". A bit groggy here in mornings unlike most early risers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 12:50 utc | 5

For the west, narrative is king, and the narrative is that russia is failing and being seen to fail in its invasion of ukraine. glacial progress on the donbass front combined with ‘stunning’ gains by ukranian forces on the battlefields as they push russia back to its borders in the north and press forwards in the south is providing a field day for media gossipists and youtube channels like ‘professor’ patrick boyle. not good.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 18 2022 12:53 utc | 6

Question:

What year will this war end ?

? Ukrainian Civil War
? Cold War 2.0

-The answer is the same, when NATO can no longer keep the Russians out, the Americans in or Germany down.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 18 2022 12:54 utc | 7

sorry for the typos in
Posted by: Sternberg | Sep 18 2022 12:47 utc | 6

should of course be "Samarkand" and "that he (Mercouris) did not hear of any such events"

Posted by: Sternberg | Sep 18 2022 12:56 utc | 8

Many barflies have shown interest in Jacques Baud's analyses. I’d like to point out that an English edition of his book Poutine: maître du jeu ? will be published on 11 October by his French publisher Max Milo, under the title Putin : Game Master?

Here is the presentation text from his publisher:

Has Vladimir Putin become the master of the game? Why and how did the Russian President decide to attack Ukraine? Did he seek to prevent Ukraine from associating with Europe? Does he seek to reconstitute the USSR? Did NATO promise not to expand east after 1990? Is the Nord Stream 2 project the sinews of war? Is Ukraine's neutrality the only solution? Has Russia ever lost or won the war?...

Based on the files of the intelligence services and official reports, Jacques Baud thus reviews the events of the recent history of Russia, which led to the war with Ukraine; it analyzes the various disputes between the West and Russia, and sheds light on the role that Putin plays today on the international scene.

For the moment, unfortunately, there is no indication that his most recent book, Opération Z, is about to be translated.

https://maxmilo.com/collections/jacques-baud

But that's not a problem, since Internet ads tell me that you can learn a foreign language in three days.

Posted by: Leuk | Sep 18 2022 13:05 utc | 9

Jo Dominic@3

Excellent overall wrap of the current situation. Yes, popular unrest in the NATOstani minion and puppet regimes is currently at a fast simmer. As economic and daily life conditions rapidly disintegrate as winter looms, even the police and military upon which those regimes maintain their power, may become unglued and join in with their civilian relatives, friends and neighbors, much like Czarist soldiers and sailors did in March of 1917.

T.S. Eliot penned some prophetic lines in his ca. 1920 poem "Wasteland": "The center cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the land." One would hope that those growingly probable popular uprisings do not take that course of total anarchy, but that there are sane and sober voices in the crowd who have the capacity to steer those ships of state into new and untroubled waters.

Fair and objective trials will need to be held for all those who have heavily contributed to this elitist war against common humanity. Smaller fry should be treated in a manner similar to those placeholders in South Africa during the "Truth and Reconciliation" hearings. Though I do not favor the Vatican and its rites and rituals, one which would be useful in a reconstitution of reality would be confessions (not forced like that of the Bolsheviks) by the vast majority of those who merely "followed orders". However, even minor minions who tortured and falsely imprisoned their countryfolk, should be required to pay for their "sins".

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 10

Those Iranian Shahed-136 loitering munitions being deployed by Russia are very impressive. It is going to cause the other side all kinds of problems.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 11

I am sure this has been asked before and I missed it. Allow me to indulge in a repetitive question.

Is the status of Gonzalo Lira known?

Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:10 utc | 12

This one by Mercouris is a very good one:

Mercouris Sep 17, 2022 Putin May Upgrade SMO to Counter Terror Operation; Modi Says India Russia Friendship Unbreakable

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 18 2022 13:13 utc | 13

@chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:10 utc | 16

Is the status of Gonzalo Lira known?
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trePeF5q3X4

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:14 utc | 14

The longer view is coming into focus with the Europeans being "groomed" for war against Russia, as early as next year I reckon... Russians are simultaneously: war criminals, weak, losing, to blame for inflation, turning off the gas/oil/fertilizers, etc. With a cold winter and a recession next up in the playbook, Putin should be looking to end the SMO sooner rather than later.

Posted by: North Patagonia | Sep 18 2022 13:16 utc | 15

Thanks Norwegian. I'll listen to that this afternoon. I think Gonzalo's take from some time ago will prevail. At least I hope it does. An agreement will eventually be made to stop the whole thing on the condition that troublemaking Americans get kicked out of Europe. I think everyone would benefit from that.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:19 utc | 16

@North Patagonia | Sep 18 2022 13:16 utc | 19

How can the Europeans fight without their industry?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 17

A note from my study of Linguistics and in regard to English usage of the definite article 'the':
Common usage in former times was to always use 'the Ukraine' when referencing this country. This is because of native English speakers intuition of the grammatical meaning of the definite article 'the'. When we refer to "the Philippines" we recognize the archipelago making up this one country. Similarly, we say "the Azores", "the Canary Islands" because these places are composed of many islands. On the other hand, we say "Hawaii", "Taiwan", and "Long Island" because these places are singular, one entity. In politics this contrast shows in "the United States" versus "America", "the United Kingdom" versus "Great Britain", "the Russian Federation" versus "Russia" and so forth. The observed rule is that a multiple noun is signaled by the definite article while a unity is signaled by no article at all.
For a brief time, people intuited that Ukraine was united, one thing, one country. Political divisions re-emerging in the past decade, however, changed perceptions so that many people return to referencing as the Ukraine. This is a case where politics and grammar converge. I learned this insight into English grammar from a Finnish professor of English while researching English usage of articles.

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 18

@aristodemos #14

Err... It’s Yeats’ The Second Coming, not Eliot’s The Waste Land.

Posted by: Leuk | Sep 18 2022 13:34 utc | 19

Gonzalo Lira just did a 2 hour live stream with The Duran and Brian Beretic of the New Atlas a few days ago

Posted by: Lauren Michele | Sep 18 2022 13:35 utc | 20

@chunga | Sep 18 2022 13:19 utc | 20

Yes, I hope so too. The longer this goes on, the more likely that result becomes, the problem is that there cannot be any agreement as long as the other side is agreement incapable. So regime changes in the west need to happen.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:38 utc | 21

@too scents | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 21

How can the Europeans fight without their industry?
Twitter is all that counts /s

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:39 utc | 22

A bus in Latvia: "Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only"
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8770

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:51 utc | 23

Tragic coward Zylynskyyy ran for President on a platform of making peace in the Donbass provinces, and actually moved toward embracing the Steinmeier formula for implementing the Minsk Accords, but then he capitulated to neo-Nazi war-mongers and brought ruin to Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine as Ukraine was preparing to deep-six the moribund Minsk Accords and invade the breakaway Donbass republics.

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 13:53 utc | 24

@Lauren Michele | Sep 18 2022 13:35 utc | 24

Thank you. I was wondering what might have happened to him because if I remember right he was in the area that is now occupied by Ukrainian forces.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2022 14:01 utc | 25

@ John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 13:53 utc | 28
Tragic coward Zylynskyyy . .capitulated to neo-Nazi war-mongers and brought ruin to Ukraine

Reminds me of Mr. Hope-and-Change in the USA, Obama sending 70,000 more troops to the graveyard of empires.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 18 2022 14:05 utc | 26

Regarding Tragic Coward Volodymyr Zelensky, I provided links to articles documenting his sell-out to the Neo-Nazis starting with this Twitter thread:
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https://twitter.com/john_schmeeckle/status/1522308169699110913?s=20&t=3vuCO7VPj2z_jmc1uRv3rQ

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Sep 18 2022 14:18 utc | 27

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 13:08 utc | 14

With respect. Yeats. Not T.S. Eliot. But on the main, I agree.

Posted by: Andaréapié | Sep 18 2022 14:21 utc | 28

@Sternberg #6
The tactical bits are nowhere as interesting as the strategic bits.

Pakistan PM asked for a natural gas pipeline. There is already a pipeline to India in the works, as is a pipeline from Iran agreed to.

Russia is clearly going to build a network of natural gas pipelines crisscrossing Central Asia; tying the area down much as Roman roads did in that era and as China is attempting with rail. All of those Central Asian countries will have the choice of being part of a Eurasian NOPEC powerhouse where Russian natural gas - formerly sent to Europe - is now sent to China, Pakistan and India along with Iranian gas. The Azeris and Kazakhs can join or be isolated (literally). The influx of cheap energy will turbocharge the Pakistan and Indian economies - that have long been hampered by affordable energy access (India is one of the largest LNG importers prior to Ukraine).

And what happens to Europe? They get to wither on the vine of expensive American LNG imports - LNG which is likely not going to be reliable as US electricity prices skyrocket due to historically low NG prices disappearing.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 14:27 utc | 29

Leuk@23

Thanks for the correction. My early morning postings do tend to get blurred. Not a morning person, but this time nature called and sleep was no longer an option. Memory glands sag a bit, as I knew that, but...

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:29 utc | 30

A bus in Latvia: "Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only"
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8770

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2022 13:51 utc | 26

Thank you for this link; it is priceless if it is true and not an electronically falsified sign in a bus.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 18 2022 14:30 utc | 31

John Schmeckte @ 2 postings:

Pressure on Piano-Dick-Tater also came from Boris Johnson on behalf of his directors, those who own the Bank of England and have full control over the Crown and MI6.
Reason why Russia made the incomplete move on Kiev was at least twofold: #1 was to draw in UAF forces from Donbass and #2 was to bring Kiev to the negotiating table. These two may be turned around, though both are operatively real. Do bear in mind that the Neo-Khazarians call the shots and that their Banderite buddies are their enforcers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:36 utc | 32

@fanto | Sep 18 2022 14:30 utc | 31

Latvia has amongst the highest inflation rates in Europe, and their mortgages are blowing up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-17/ecb-hikes-add-mortgage-agony-to-20-inflation-at-euro-zone-s-eastern-edge

Which countries can afford their nationalism?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 14:40 utc | 33

The iranian drones are doing a killing on Ukronazis: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/42436?single

One can expect a discreet but steady increase in military and civilian cooperation between Moscow and Tehran...
Interesting years to come.


Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 14:44 utc | 34

Andereapie@28

Knew that, as I'd been a fan of Yeats by age of 20 and in sophomore year at university, I enrolled in a course on Yeats which was mostly populated by serious literature type upper classfolk. The summer immediately preceding that September course had seen me on a nightly basis hanging out in Greenwich Village and writing poetry. Another regular at the Cliche' ice cream parlor said my stuff reminded him of early Yeats. So I hit the nearby bookstore and purchased a volume of his poetry.

There are levels of congruence between those works of Yeats and Eliot. That same summer of '65 found Dylan a bit further uptown at a studio where he produced his masterwork, the Highway 61 Revisited album, with "Desolation Row" probably the focus of the Nobel committee granting him the prize in literature. In that multipartite presentation, the troubadour from Hibbing and Duluth assailed the pair he then considered America's two great poets of the 20th Century: "Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot, fighting in the Captain's Tower, while calypso singers laughed at him and fishermen hold flowers".

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 14:46 utc | 35

I do not believe in any revolt in EU.
The population is brainwashed and obediently trust their governments.
The masses (and specially the upper classes) hope they shall get some crumbles when "Russia is defeated".

Posted by: marko | Sep 18 2022 14:51 utc | 36

circumspect@15 "...Iranian Shahed-136..."

That cannot be - Andrei "Russia Stronk!" Martynov, echoing the typical Russian inferiority complex (e.g. Tsarist court spoke almost pure French when Napoleon invaded), says Russia doesn't need them and have more than enough to manufacture "all the drones they need".

I hate to say it, but Russians sometimes show Polish level stupid and stubborness. If Iran can provide good weapons, fantastic. If by getting 1000 Iranian drones, Russia can use the facilities that were not used for simple drones to build, say 100 more Kinzhals, that is an excellent bargain along with the benefit of scaring the hell out of the shitty little nation.

Decisions have risks, and Izyum turning into a replay of Bucha after Russia's withdrawl is a direct consequence of some Stavka idiot planning the SMO with insufficient troops, and not being creative enough to fill the gaps *WITHOUT* a general mobilization, which of course carries significant risks itself...

Perhaps the same Russian guy who planned the Moscva's operational schedule also chose where to locate the prison camp with Avoz war criminals and operational security for the airfield in Crimea with the weapons depots next to the aircraft. He must have been promoted to set up the defenses in the Izyum district...

Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 18 2022 14:57 utc | 37

Garland Nixon has a 55 minute piece on what Europe will look like this winter and next Spring. I've never watched him until now but his predictions make a lot of sense and are worth the time to watch. In summary he says:
Europe will likely be crippled beyond repair from the winter cold;
Leaders will be replaced one way or another;
Lots of people will die;
Spring will not bring a return to normal-- Europe will be a third world region;
Russia will prevail in Ukraine and they know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tikL5RBRN4

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 18 2022 15:02 utc | 38

>Question:
>
>What year will this war end ?

It will be called year 0.

Posted by: Ivan | Sep 18 2022 15:16 utc | 39

What are the implications for the EU if war becomes WW3? No energy from the east. Those tankers coming from the US to the EU? It's a big ocean filled with subs. Possibly a very short war. Who knows?

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 18 2022 15:19 utc | 40

Kareem | Sep 18 2022 14:44 utc | 34

RE denies using Iranian drones


TASS 16 SEP, 21:36 - Russia has enough drones, federal service chief assures
We have the best drones, head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation stressed
SAMARKAND, September 16. /TASS/. Russia has the best drones, Dmitry Shugayev, head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, assured on Friday when asked by journalists whether the supplies of Iranian or Turkish drones were planned.
"We have no problem with drones. We have the best drones," Shugayev stressed.
"We have enough of everything," he added.

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 18 2022 15:20 utc | 41

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine - as of September 18, 2022

🔻The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation.

▪️In the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction, the enemy, with the help of three company tactical groups of the 60th Infantry and 57th Motorized Infantry Brigades, supported by six tanks, made unsuccessful offensive attempts in the areas of MIROLYUBOVKA, MALA SEYDEMINUKHA and BELOGORKA of the Kherson region.

All attacks were successfully repelled by units of the Russian armed forces.

▪️High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near the city of Nikolaev hit the personnel and military equipment of units of the 28th mechanized and 79th air assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

During the day of hostilities in this direction, the losses of Ukrainian troops amounted to over 180 military personnel, 2 tanks, 7 armored combat vehicles, 3 guns and 10 vehicles.

▪️The Russian Aerospace Forces, rocket troops and artillery delivered massive fire strikes on units and reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Units of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated by concentrated fire strikes near the settlement of KIROVO, Zaporozhye region. Enemy losses amounted to up to a hundred Ukrainian servicemen, as well as more than ten units of military equipment.

▪️As a result of strikes on the positions of the 54th, 93rd mechanized brigades and the 10th mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of VERKHNEKAMENSKOE, SPORNOYE, BERESTOVOE, ARTYOMOVSK and ZAYTSEVO of the Donetsk People's Republic, the losses of the enemy amounted to more than 110 servicemen and 20 units of military equipment.

▪️High-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the places of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the units of the 14th mechanized brigade in the areas of the settlements of KOCHETOK, ROHAN, DOROSHENKOVO, VELIKA BABKA and CHUGUEV of the Kharkov region, the 63rd mechanized brigade in the VEREMIEVKA area, as well as the 3rd of a separate territorial defense battalion in the MIROLYUBOVKA area of ​​the Kherson region, more than 150 Ukrainian servicemen and 17 units of armored and special military equipment were destroyed.

▪️During the fighting in the area of ​​the settlement ZAYTSEVO of the Donetsk People's Republic, the 24th battalion of the Aidar national formation of the 53rd mechanized brigade lost more than half of its personnel. The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine withdrew the remnants of the unit to the CLOCK YAR of the Donetsk People's Republic.

▪️The strikes of operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery hit the control and coordination point of missile strikes of the Primorye group in the SHURINO region of the Mykolaiv region, three command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the regions of CHERVONOY OSKOL of the Kharkiv region, PERSHOTRAVNEVE of the Zaporizhia region and SEVERSK of the Donetsk People's Republic.

▪️Also, 47 artillery units, manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in 127 districts, including the bases of foreign mercenaries of the American private military campaign "Academy" and the national formation "Kraken" in the regions of KRAMATORSK and NIKOLAEVKA of the Donetsk People's Republic.

In addition, an ammunition depot of the 14th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which contained more than seven and a half thousand shells for Western artillery systems, and an ammunition depot of the 128th mountain assault brigade in the DOLINKA district of the Zaporozhye region were destroyed in the KHARKOV region.

▪️High-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces near KRAMATORSK destroyed a US-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, an S-300 anti-aircraft missile system guidance radar in the area of ​​the DVURECHYE settlement, and an air defense radar station in the VASYUKOVKA region of the Donetsk People's Republic.

▪️Russian air defense systems shot down eight unmanned aerial vehicles per day in the areas of the settlements of MALIEVKA, YAGODNOE, Kharkiv region, LEBEDEVKA, Luhansk People's Republic, TOKMAK, CHERVONOARMEYSKOE, Zaporozhye region, VLADIMIROVKA, ANTONOVKA, Donetsk People's Republic.
In addition, eight shells of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were destroyed in the air in the area of ​​NOVAYA KAHOVKA, Kherson region and the city of KHERSON.

🔻In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 293 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 1981 unmanned aerial vehicles, 375 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5022 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 837 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3397 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5680 units of special military vehicles.

Posted by: Summary | Sep 18 2022 15:20 utc | 42

Jānis Sārts, the Director of NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (Riga) — the head of NATO propaganda — has visited a conference in Warsaw wearing socks by a “patriotic” Ukrainian brand that read (photo):

        Топчу русню
        112 БР теробороны

which means

        I’m trampling [literally] on rusnya
        112th Brigade of Territorial Defense

Rusnya is a very strong ethnic slur referring to Russians; in my opinion, the most hateful one. So the expression is the same as “I’m trampling on Kikes”, “I’m trampling on niggers”, “I’m trampling on chinks”, etc.

Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 15:29 utc | 43

LLYFH@13

Thanks for the Mercuris link. To time to take in the entire talk, but he shares some incisively explored insights into Putin's Samarkand speech by going to original Russian sources rather than Western "translations".

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:30 utc | 44

Too Scents@33

Your take is quite quotable: "Which countries can afford their nationalism" in reference to near-bankrupt Latvia.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:33 utc | 45

Marko@36

When people are cold, tired and hungry, embedded propaganda often gets shoved into the back-seat. Even here in the U$$A, rural folk and the laboring working class types in the cities are already seething and simmering.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 18 2022 15:36 utc | 46

This is how the world ends.
This is how the world ends.
This is how the world ends.
Not with a bang but with a whimper.
"The Hollow Men" - Eliot

The best lack all conviction, while
the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
"The Second Coming" - Yeats

We must love one another and die." "September 1, 1939" - Auden (revised 15 years after original publication from 'We must love one another or die'.)

Posted by: Objective Observer | Sep 18 2022 15:42 utc | 47

Before anyone gets butthurt about Russia using Iranian drones, yes, we know Russia has fancy and expensive drones on par with what the US uses. But using expensive drones in environments where your opponents have some limited air defenses (stingers, in the case of the Ukraine) is like using benjamins for toilet paper, and that is before Benjamin went on a diet with all of this inflation lately. Big and expensive strike drones are easy targets, so they are best used against goat herders who are only armed with pointed sticks. This is why the Russians are mostly using their Orlan-10 drones; because they are good at what they do and they are dirt cheap.

The Iranians, on the other hand, have had fiscal responsibility imposed upon them in no uncertain terms. Their domestic Military Industrial Complex cannot afford $10,000 toilet seats and $600 hammers, but they have to produce effective weapons systems nonetheless or face being destroyed by USUK psychos and zionist freaks.

Remember, Iran is ranked #5 in the world for graduate STEM students, and if you count only domestic students they are #4 and ahead of the US. Iran has real engineering talent, even if they don't have bottomless pockets like the Empire of Delusion does. Because of this, if I were to place a bet, it would be that Iran's drones are superior to Turkish drones, and approaching the effectiveness of American and Russian drones, but at a small fraction of the cost. Those who have been diligent in their study of Marxist analysis will know that cost tracks manufacturing efficiency so one can expect that lower cost items are easier to mass produce than higher cost ones (yes, I know the difference between value and price in Marxist analysis, but most people don't and I'd rather not spend a bunch of electrons trying to explain it).

Basically, Iranian drones are almost certainly a good buy, and a nice cost-effective way to say "Good bye!" to Nazis and their NATOady hardware. Russian bulk purchases will also help grow the Iranian tech and manufacturing sectors, so it is win-win on the SCO side of things. Bear in mind that even should Russia successfully conclude the SMO in the Ukraine by Christmas, the war against the Empire of Lies will continue for some time to come. Also keep in mind the industrial component of warfare. With these considerations Russia will do well to have some industrially and technologically healthy allies. China is certainly one such ally but they are still a little gunshy.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 15:49 utc | 48

@34 "One can expect a discreet but steady increase in military and civilian cooperation between Moscow and Tehran..."

One can also expect complaints from the West about Iranian technicians 'meddling' in Ukraine.

Posted by: dh | Sep 18 2022 15:55 utc | 49

Just a countermeme to all this:

Its kind of funny to see fantasists dealing gradually with the fact that they are loosing. Russian military is almost spent, and they seem to have no plan for a winter in the trenches with HIMARs raining down on the leaders. The only opåtion is to go suicide bomber with nuclear weapons, and seriously, thats just sad. Its like a schoolshooter hating daddy so much he just wants to kill as many on the way out as he can. Duginism is just a loosers religion, always the victim.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 15:58 utc | 50

@Norwegian #23:

A bus in Latvia: "Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only" https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8770

This is a political performance. There are no such signs in Latvia—yet. The sign was most likely attached by Latvian Russian activists to raise awareness of the fact that there are 182,375 so-called “non-citizens” in Latvia (120,205 of them ethnically Russian), who can’t vote, can’t be elected, etc., even though all of them either were born in Latvia or have lived there for most of their lives, i.e., their rights are limited simply because of their native language. Somehow the U.S. and the EU—those paladins of human rights and democracy⁠—haven’t done anything about that racist system for 31 years. (Same system exists in Estonia.)

Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 16:05 utc | 51

Reply to "Posted by: Tedder | Sep 18 2022 13:21 utc | 182 concerning using "the" in front of names of lands/countries/states:
When I learned readong English as a 7-12 year child in The US of north A-an English and from my parents prenumerating on a series on "The Countries of the World" Put out by THE National Geographic Society In THE US Of A, the Lands on both sides of the Rio de la Plata were called "The Argentine" and "The Uruguai".
In German, we have "die Schweitz" and das Aussland" and "die Niedel¨nde" (The Low Countries) for the Queendom ruled by Holland.
"THE UKAINE" is a nice way of differentiating that part of Eastern Central Europe form the area of South Central Kroatia called "Krania",

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Sep 18 2022 16:07 utc | 52

The Duran with Gonzalo was long and I haven't gotten all the way through, but I found it interesting that Gonzalo said that the supermarkets and gas stations in Kharkov are still open and he even bought Chilean grapes a couple of days ago.
How are they being stocked, I wonder.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 53

There is a healthy mood of (self)criticism and patriotic anger in Russia right now, at least outside some wealthy moscovites circles. Indeed a great patriotic war type of mobilization is not compatible with decades of capitalist neoliberalism (and years of narcissistic consumerism and its collateral damages of individualism, liberal "fragility" etc.) I have no contacts in Novorussia, but judging from TM of reliable civilians and military from.the Donbass (no they are not subliminal ukronazis trolls mind-controlled by Langley) their spirit is excellent, but their healthy anger at Moscow's neoliberal elites in the corridors of the Kremlin, is quite sharp.

In that context, the latest piece on Elijah Magnier's blog is interesting, by its divergence from the stubbornly absurd "world of unicorns" painted by some west-based bloggers for their fanbase. Here Magnier focuses solely on the military strategic and tactical miscalculations (that happens in any war) on RU's side.

The SMO is dead, russian society naive vues on the collective west too. Now Russian society honeymoon with capitalism (necessarly globalized, integrated) is ending, and this end starts with the rising contradictions between the new ruling class (those who behind a patriotic facade want their kids raised and schooled in NATO land) and the people who is tired of enduring a gutted state, unable to perform its military and civilian duties toward the nation and the workers. (Many russians use the image of the defunded, anemic russian navy versus the "army" of billionaires yachts paid with stolen money, in total impunity.

But, for complex reasons, some US based bloggers of russian origins are painting, to their (mostly US-EU altright) audience, a rosy picture of 8D chess, glorious capitalist/tsarist restoration, imminent victory etc.

HOW RUSSIA LOST THE BATTLE OF KHARKIV, AND WHAT ARE THE LESSONS TO BE DRAWN?

"...defeating the military mechanism of Ukraine necessitates destroying the physical and psychological Ukrainian army leading to a total defeat. This is unlikely to happen because that would mean the US has failed and was defeated, along with all its western allies. Indeed, the US (and the rest of NATO behind it) will continue arming Kyiv because it is the war of the West against Russia, and Ukraine is the medium. In this war, there can be only one winner and one loser."

Read in full: https://ejmagnier.com/2022/09/16/how-russia-lost-the-battle-of-kharkiv-and-what-are-the-lessons-to-be-drawn/

Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 54

The physical war is not really important. This is an economic war with Russia, China, India, and OPEC vs the West. The West has already lost. They have no good moves in this game but they feel like they must play it out and hope for a mistake from the other side. Putin and Xi don’t seem to make major mistakes.

Posted by: KHS | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 55

If this is anything to go by Russia is certainly not isolated, and many countries around the world don't appear to back the Western narrative.


"The West intended to demonstrate Russia’s "isolation" in a vote following Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s video address at the UN General Assembly yet failed."


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 18 2022 16:20 utc | 56

S @43. Well, it says all it needs to say about NATO's hatred of Russia. Shame on Janiis of NATO wearing those socks. Shame on him. It wouldn't look out of place in NAZI Germany.

My goodness, the collective West and NATO have lost all reason, rationality and diplomacy. This level of deep rooted hatred is truly shocking. Hate is the expressway to Hell. The collective West deserve all the poverty, deindustrialization and shame that they deserve. WTF do these people think they are doing? It's not a game, this is a serious situation. Thank God Russia, China, Iran, Turkiye and other nations are able to think seriously and rationally. The Leaders of the collective West are acting like Children in a school playground. Let them stay there whilst the 85% rest of the world move forward with strategic integration, dedollarisation and neocon attitudes. They are being left behind and, the collapse of their pathetic games and ideology will come sooner rather than later.

What a complete and utter bunch of morons. Thank God for Orban and Vucic they are the only saving grace the corrupt EU has. FWIW, this is the end for them, for the EU, for the wannabee Dictator UVDL for the USA and their demise will be hastened by their stupidity, racism and facism.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 16:21 utc | 57

" Ze is a Nazi President to rival Adolf in a serious way. He is seriously racist and harbours a deep hatred for Russia. He advocates the torture and murder of Russian POWs, the collective West encourage him. "

Please do tell. What race is Zelensky, what race are the Ukrainians and what race are the Russians ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Sep 18 2022 16:24 utc | 58

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 15:49 utc | 48

Excellent analysis, indeed, indeed.
Contributions like yours is what makes this site a valuable space. Thanks!

Posted by: Karrem | Sep 18 2022 16:32 utc | 59

What year will this war end ?

? Ukrainian Civil War
? Cold War 2.0

Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2022 12:23 utc | 1

1. There is nothing easier than getting Slavs to fight among themselves, so never.
2. It became a hot war in 2014 with the Maidan Coup.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 18 2022 16:34 utc | 60

chunga @25
He is in the city of Kharkov, which was not occupied by Russian forces.
They were outside the city.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2022 16:35 utc | 61

Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 15:58 utc | 50

You are punching in lines that have been said over and over again since the start.

Try again.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 16:46 utc | 62

I'm an American, long-time reader, and first-time writer.

There's inadequate attention in the west to how weird/terrifying the current situation is. We have former NATO officials and US generals saying publically that nuclear weapons use is within the realm of the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile, we have Ukraine working to retake Crimea, which is a natural part of Russia and which Russians have good reason to consider sovereign Russian territory. Plus, I remember in 2021 when the people of Crimea were saying they didn't have enough fresh water because Ukraine had cut them off. It seems to me that the people of Crimea need Kherson to keep Crimea sustainable. But from that point of view, the loss of Kherson is a sovereign threat to Russia.

It seems that we are slow-walking into a nuclear war. It's crazy! We have already learned that Russia is not capable of threatening American national security interests. If they can't take over Ukraine in under six months, they aren't going to take over Poland or the Baltics. We can all relax over Russia. We should all relax and start buying condos in Batumi, Tblisi, Tallin, wherever we formerly were reluctant to invest for fear of Russia. Instead of appreciating that our world need not be half as scary as it was, we're creating a nuclear war scenario that doesn't have to happen.

I have no idea how non-maximalist Americans can communicate our views to the larger public or leverage our leaders. It seems that we're doomed to drift into a even more dangerous and unstable situation in the next few months.

Posted by: GoFast | Sep 18 2022 16:47 utc | 63

@ Jo Dominich | Sep 18 2022 12:30 utc | 2

I often refrain from writing anything because many of us are simply rephrasing the same ideas in refreshingly clever and succinct ways. But, channeling Mercouris, “I just have to say” what you wrote was especially so.

Bravo.

@ North Patagonia | Sep 18 2022 13:16 utc | 15

>> Putin should be looking to end the SMO sooner rather than later.

In case it’s not clear, I suggest the desired goal appears in the post after yours, where chunga wrote:
>> An agreement will eventually be made to stop the whole thing
>> on the condition that troublemaking Americans get kicked out of Europe.

>> What year will this war end ?

@ Exile | Sep 18 2022 12:23 utc | 1

>> What year will this war end ?

>> ? Ukrainian Civil War

2026, because of deliberate go-slow approach

>> ? Cold War 2.0

2030, because by then one side will deploy AI-controlled wonder weapons that wipes out the other side’s conventional forces. The losing side will have to decide whether to go nuclear.

Sadly, I don’t foresee a multipolar world, because the imperial “Western” rulers seem as incapable of change — swords to ploughs — as that scorpion in Aesop’s fable. Unlike China And Russia. So, the RoW will have to defeat and demilitarize the west.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 16:49 utc | 64

Good luck with demilitarising us in the West.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 16:54 utc | 65

Posted by: Kareem | Sep 18 2022 16:12 utc | 54

The SMO is not dead. The thinking that they need to defeat militarily the Ukraine in a very absolute way is only espoused by clueless nationalists.

The RF needs to hold onto territory now and slowly advance in the Donbass to a spectacular effect at the moment when the Ukrainians and the World cant escape the realisation anymore that they are in fact the agressors in the liberated territories and cant move an inch.

Every day those territories are outside the central control of Kiev, they drift further away from it. With every day passing that the allies are holding this territory, NATO will need increasing modes of escalation. Terrorism, shelling cities, border towns etc. The whole world is watching.

At a given moment, it will be clear to everyone that NATO has become the agressor.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 17:01 utc | 66

There is no evidence or acknowledgement from Russia that they're using or need Iranian drones. that is a narrative from Western sources, and some English Russian channels, all psyops.

Stop spreading lies.

Posted by: BigBalls | Sep 18 2022 17:02 utc | 67

@Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 16:54 utc | 65

An army marches on its stomach.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 17:04 utc | 68

reply to 60

I think it ends in an armistice and ceasefire like Korea. I'm surprised no EU nation has demanded this. The only question to me is can they seize Odessa? I'm doubtful. Donbass militias wanna stay home. If Kharkiv and Odessa really want liberation, they need to overthrow local rulers - and obligate Russis to intervene.

As for Russia being drained, that would primarily be manpower - and nobody's reported use of foreign troops yet on Russia's side . I think NK would be eager to get live artillery practice and battlefield experience as well as getting paid. Syrians are needed at home.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 18 2022 17:12 utc | 69

It is true, an army does march on its stomach. How good is russian food for the folks lying in the trenches,the actual soldiers? Not very good by all measures.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 17:26 utc | 70

@Eigthman #69 (nice),

I think it ends in an armistice and ceasefire like Korea. I'm surprised no EU nation has demanded this.

Just my opinion/speculation but I think the US/EU are holding to "Ukraine must liberate all of its de jure territory including Crimea" in part to give Russia an offramp when it's ready to call quits. That stance means that Russia can spin a significant defeat as "we fought all of NATO and forced *them* to make concessions" if the eventual ceasefire is something like pre-24Feb lines with no additional conditions.

I suspect that there is quiet diplomacy to that effect ongoing, but neither side is willing to concede the south.

The only question to me is can they seize Odessa? I'm doubtful.

Far more likely that Ukraine retakes Kherson than Russia takes Odessa.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 18 2022 17:30 utc | 71

What is really amusing is this Kharkiv "offensive" is not even the first one.

Remember the "captured border crossing" that was clearly a paper mache in spring? The same thing happened then: Russian troops advanced to surround Kharkiv, then pulled back. Then they advanced forward again, now they've pulled back again.

In both cases: no serious combat between Ukrainian and Russian/LDPR/Rosgardia forces, although I am fairly certain a lot more Ukrainians died in this "offensive" than the previous one.

And in both cases: a complete sideshow.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 17:34 utc | 72

@Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 17:26 utc | 70

My understanding is that Russian field kitchens are among the best. They regularly top international competitions.

But you misunderstood my comment, as I was referring to feeding the population in the rear that supports the front line, which will be increasingly unaffordable without without cheap fertilizer and fuel.

People in the UK will be forced to choose between heat and food this Winter. That will have a de-militarizing effect.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 17:37 utc | 73

Posted by: S | Sep 18 2022 15:29 utc | 43

Топчу русню
112 БР теробороны
which means
I’m trampling [literally] on rusnya
112th Brigade of Territorial Defense

Rusnya is a very strong ethnic slur referring to Russians; in my opinion, the most hateful one. So the expression is the same as “I’m trampling on Kikes”, “I’m trampling on niggers”, “I’m trampling on chinks”, etc.


I think it is even more sinister than that. It has a connotation like stomping leaves or whacking weeds and shrubbery.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 18 2022 17:41 utc | 74

@70: what, don't they get McDonald stuff? Horrid! Then how can they get an extra 50 kg fat to insulate them when winter comes? Really, if they do not even get proper Western Fast food, how could a Russian army possibly survive the cold? Happily we have intelligent people like you pointing this out!

Posted by: Anthony | Sep 18 2022 17:43 utc | 75

@ Fnord73 | Sep 18 2022 16:54 utc | 65

Have you driven through your cities and taken a good look? Are you bothered by the panopticon your rulers have built as part of your conversion from freedom to fascism? How about the crime families that alternate running the countries while jailing protesters and journalists? Are you bothered by mass murder they commit in your name?

Your best bet is to remove your evil rulers demilitarize and stop their aggressive wars.

Understand who your real enemies are. They go through great pains to hide it from you. You’ll have to work hard to see through them.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 17:44 utc | 76

To 69
I think the 10k that attacked Kherson came from Odessa, and pretty sure the 30k near Kharkiv are from that garrison, so taking those cities becomes progressively easier. How many left in those cities?
Imo the longer this goes on the weaker the defense will be.

Posted by: John k | Sep 18 2022 17:45 utc | 77

@William Gruff 28. NATOrcy is better.
Imhop

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 18 2022 17:47 utc | 78

Unintended consequences (equals European Union)...

RT tells us that Ukraine's glorious grain exports under the special program now serve to undercut EU farmers' prices. Well that plus the abolition of any import tariffs and quotas for Ukrainian produce. Well done.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 18 2022 17:48 utc | 79

@ GoFast

I sympathize.

In particular, your 4th paragraph makes a good point succinctly: “We have already learned that Russia is not capable of threatening American national security interests. If they can't take over Ukraine in under six months, they aren't going to take over Poland or the Baltics. We can all relax over Russia.”

Although one might argue Russia could “do more, more quickly” by putting more resources into it, that wouldn’t change the view from 50,000 feet. IOW, I very much agree. The western rulers’ alarmism to rile the crowd is, once again, rooted in fiction.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 18 2022 17:50 utc | 80

Its 48.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 18 2022 17:51 utc | 81

BigBalls @67: "There is no evidence... that they're using or need Iranian drones."

Russia’s Use of Iranian Kamikaze Drones Creates New Dangers for Ukrainian Troops (WSJ - paywall, but the clever can find their way around it)

Anyway, nobody said Russia NEEDS Iranian drones. Using drones like the Shahed-136 would just be a wise decision on the part of the Russians for a very large number of reasons, some of which I mentioned. The Russians seem to posses a fair bit of wisdom so it shouldn't offend or be a surprise if they make decisions that have multiple layers of benefits.

What drawbacks are there to Russians using Iranian drones? I don't see any, except in the make-believe narrative sphere among people who are overly sensitive about the size of their cojones.

Furthermore, there is the possibility that Iranian drones are being used in the Ukraine, but not by Russians! Ever think of that?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 17:55 utc | 82

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 18 2022 17:48 utc | 79

Putin said in his presser from Samarkand something about the grain and fertilizer. The bottom line was that the EU has lifted sanctions of both but only for themselves and not the poor countries that need it. Not sure about the mechanics of it that but it seems kind of consistent with how protective and supremacist the EU behaves with others. For example hoarding the vaccines when they became available in the winter 2020.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 18:00 utc | 83

What drawbacks are there to Russians using Iranian drones?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 17:55 utc | 82

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The supply chain.

That said, Iran is filling the void left by Renault in Russia's automobile industry.

https://www.intellinews.com/iran-and-russia-save-each-other-s-car-industries-254091/

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:03 utc | 84

William Gruff | Sep 18 2022 17:55 utc | 82

Russia says it s not using Iranian Drones, the WSJ says Russia is

Who to believe ?

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 18 2022 18:05 utc | 85

Meanwhile back in the real world…

The European countries are going to have a rough winter, but they are not on economic suicide watch.
The US is not in steep economic decline and it is not going to get driven out of Europe (see next point).
NATO has expanded in size. Yes, really.
The SMO is not going well for Russia. Even Russian talkshow TV acknowledges that.
100,000 North Korean troops are not going to be fighting in Ukraine anytime soon or ever.
Ukrainians are fighting and dying to protect their homeland. If they were Nazi’s, or brainwashed or any other half-baked nonsense this conflict would have been over in the three day campaign the Russians originally planned.
Finally, and this is a shocker. Russian forces commit atrocities and have done so in Ukraine. All occupying armies do.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 17:34 utc | 72

"And in both cases: a complete sideshow."

so what is the main show?

I know you are highly intelligent. I have read you before...

But there is a large percentage Western Civilisation, who may have only been slightly disrupted by covid - had to get jabbed and wear masks, and be locked in their homes for a few months, and then let out for a few months...

Now winter is coming to Europe, and sod's law, or maybe the Sun's law, indicate it may be extremely cold, like it was in 1963...My igloo, built at Christmas, had still not completely melted by Easter As a 10 year old boy, I had no fear. it was a lot of fun with everything frozen solid in Oldham. We didn't have any gas, but we had a coalman. He delivered our coal with a horse and cart.

Now, as I approach 70 years old, I have just had delivered a ton of coal.

I think in the UK, we may not be cut off from gas and oil. We still get a lot of energy from the North Sea, and Norway supply us with a lot direct.

Thanks for posting this by: migueljose | Sep 18 2022 15:02 utc | 38. I had never heard of Garland Nixon before. Is he a musician? He keeps saying the same thing over and over again, as if he is writing a song, but I agree with him.

If it is a very cold winter, millions are likely to die in Europe, as systems totally break down. People are likely to freeze and starve to death, and it is getting a bit short notice to prepare.

It doesn't matter, about me dropping dead. I am already past my sell by date, but I have a Grandaughter due to be born anytime soon. I want her to have a chance to live.

Our leaders eg in the UK and Germany - Are they doing their best to protect us, or doing their best to kill us, or just complete useless brainwashed morons?

I didn't vote for any of them.

Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 18 2022 18:21 utc | 87

Kazakh living in Germany tapes a Z on the Back of his car, gets reported by his Ukranian boss‘s wife to the cops. judge throws the book at him 1,800€ fine, 30 days loss of driver‘s license, plus 120 probation.

Hilarious article ( in German use machine translator)
https://www.merkur.de/lokales/wolfratshausen/wolfratshausen-ort29708/mit-am-heck-durch-die-gegend-gefahren-geldstrafe-und-fahrverbot-91766479.html

Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2022 18:22 utc | 88

@Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86

When the Euro goes down the trade surplus of the EU should go up. The Euro near all time lows and the worst trade surplus ever is the sign of a very sick economy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcvqFZsakAEcM2i?format=jpg

Also, the water in the state of Mississippi's capital city Jackson is unsafe for weeks now.

What is a sign of economic decline?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:31 utc | 89

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Sep 18 2022 16:07 utc | 52

"THE UKAINE" is a nice way of differentiating that part of Eastern Central Europe form the area of South Central Kroatia called "Krania",

Yes, the word krajina is (usually) not used by itself but you have to say which one, because they are many of them (srpska, bosanska, vojna, ...). So, putting definite article in front of it you say The Special One. :-)
And it seems that Krajina is Mark in German.
The term is equal to German Mark and French marche.[5] In the Habsburg Empire, a large region in modern Croatia was referred to as a Military Frontier (Militärgrenze; Vojna krajina).

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 18 2022 18:32 utc | 90

Posted by: too scents | Sep 18 2022 18:31 utc | 89

excellent example too scents. there's been bad water for years in some other cities, too.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 18 2022 18:33 utc | 91

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86

Considering the size of Western and NATO involvement, which surprised everyone, the SMO and Russia’s economy is doing quite well.

DNR and LNR militias, soon to be joined by Crimean volunteers, are fighting and dying to defend their territory from anti-russian supermacist rule. You know, rule like Russians in the Baltics “enjoy”.

The Ukrainians, unable to take what is not theirs anymore, in the meanwhile commit terrorist acts against the administrations in the liberated territories, are shelling cities and border places in retribution. This is done under advisory of NATO btw. They are complicit.

As for the EU economy, I reserve judgement. You may be right but who knows: there seems to me to be a awful lot of faith in the money printing press a.k.a. MMT. We already saw what that did with the pandemic. But I might be wrong, IDK.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 18 2022 18:35 utc | 92

« The ukraines » IMO, once this thing will be done.

In the meantime, all areas still occupied by the Ukrainian govt. should be spelled with all vowels after the first one replaced with « i ». Odissii, Zapirizhii, Avdiivki, etc.

As they get taken by Russia, return them to their normal spellings.

And concerning the Russian SMO not going well :

« This is the beginning of the end. »

« The walls are closing in. » etc.

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 18 2022 18:48 utc | 93

When will the .....SMO, Ukrainian conflagration, WWIII ... end?

The quantity of posts suggesting this or that date, after or before the US mid-terms, spring, summer or winter, is revelatrice of a wish for it to be clearly marked out, and the final whistle....eeerrr sorry, missile blown.

The US was in Afghanistan for twenty years. The Russians have already prepared for the long haul. The level of fighting and use of arms has been exactly calculated. Bows and arrows ready, saws for amputations, a healthy dose of brandy as anaesthetic, and captagon and priests for the morale if not the morals.

But who is getting stretched? The EU is doing a wonderful job of bankrupting itself with US help. The US is doing a wonderful job of using a conflict in a foreign land while contemplating a second one or two. Bases being built and troops installed (Third one in East Syria, new one in Australia), new weapons. Great, but the standards for actually becoming a US soldier are drooping like dried out knickers. There is no longer any substance left in the greenback. The era of living off the fat of the land, has become the fat living on the sidewalks.
Which side will find themselves stretched the tightest?
*
(The rant is finished).
***

I assume that the "New" Russian policy will be the accurate targeting of higher ranking NATO and US officers who have had the bad idea that they are untouchable, plus the newbies who have been "invited" to participate, the UK, Poland, Germany and probably Israel. (Zele-has invited Israel and has called Ukraine the "new Israel"). Pity for the inhabitants. Mercenaries are prime targets.

https://avia-pro.net/news/vmeste-s-amerikanskimi-nayomnikami-udarami-rossii-mogli-okazatsya-unichtozheny-i (Its in English)

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 18 2022 18:52 utc | 94

the US was in Vietnam a long time, too. 1954 to 1975? something like that.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 18 2022 18:57 utc | 95

@Tom UK | Sep 18 2022 18:17 utc | 86
Also, the water in the state of Mississippi's capital city Jackson is unsafe for weeks now.
Jackson's water has been unreliable and unsafe for decades. Why? The city is 82% Black.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 18 2022 19:07 utc | 96

@Tony_0pmoc #87
There are several levels of show; every nation has more internally.
Top level: Russia is tying Central Asia, East Asia and South Asia into a natural gas network. The cheap natural gas which underwrote the Western European nations for 2 generations will instead be redirected to the billions in China,India, Pakistan and points nearby and in between.
The next level is the deindustrialization of Europe and the US. While the US is less affected than Europe; Americans use visibly more energy per capita than Europeans. Higher prices plus less safety net means they get hurt more. This has both electoral and economic impact.
In parallel with the above: the ROW will be watching: Africa; Central and South America, non yapping dog Eastern Europe, the Middle East.
These places can’t afford or don’t need to commit either way.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 19:09 utc | 97

Here in the US we are staring to say that war is when your government tells you who the enemy is. And revolution is when you figure it out for yourself. Politicians. Just suck.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 18 2022 19:10 utc | 98

Starting not staring. Sheesh.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 18 2022 19:11 utc | 99

@Stonebird #94
Anything is possible, but I don’t see even Ukrainians being stupid enough to keep fighting the SMO for too much longer.
The fact that Kiev is drafting breeding age women is a definite sign of manpower problems, so to speak.
I also don’t see the MIC risking their reputation too much longer in Ukraine: the litany of Wunderwaffe and resulting real world “not successes” is bad for business longer term. Then there’s the electoral issue: between bad economy and ongoing money funneling to Ukraine, and structural inflation, I have a hard time seeing the previously relatively prosperous people of Europe continuing to “suck it up”.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 18 2022 19:15 utc | 100

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