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September 06, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-146

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Note: Stick to the topic or get banned.

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when will gazprom stop gas flows through ukraine?

Posted by: ct | Sep 6 2022 11:15 utc | 1

Press conference Lavrov FM Thailand with Q&A from 10:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emhFrTZJkis

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 11:30 utc | 2

Posted by: ct | Sep 6 2022 11:15 utc | 1

Citing and translating Anti-Spiegel ... there are 5 pipelines at work these days, more or less.

QUOTE
The Ukrainian pipeline
We will look at the Russian pipelines in the order of their creation. The first pipeline that pumped Soviet gas to Europe at the time was the Soyuz pipeline, now known as the Ukrainian pipeline. Gas has also been pumped to Germany via it since the 1970s.

The pipeline runs through Ukraine and there are three points where gas from Russia is fed into the pipeline: one in Lugansk, one a little further north and one line comes from Belarus. The pipeline today supplies Hungary, Slovakia, Austria and before that also countries further to the south, such as Bulgaria and Romania, which would today be supplied from Turkish Stream, more on that later.

The gas compression station near Lugansk came under Lugansk control at the beginning of the Russian intervention, but this did not impede the flow of gas for two months. At the beginning of May, Ukraine suddenly declared that it was shutting down the flow of gas through this part of the pipeline "because it no longer controlled the gas compression station". Since then, the flow of gas through the pipeline has been reduced accordingly, without Western media or politicians criticizing Ukraine for it.
END OF QUOTE

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/der-medienhype-um-die-selbst-verursachte-gaskrise/

The Poles cut their ties to Russian gas completely, then started buying it from Germany as long as it came through NS1.

BTW, NS2 is ready to go and if there is a technical hick-up, the turbines are actually Russian ones and could be repaired instantly.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 6 2022 11:31 utc | 3

"But the prisoners from the Kherson direction were brought up. The lucky one from the same elite 128th mountain assault brigade, for which mourning was declared in Transcarpathia.

20-year-old Nazar from Ternopil region, assistant grenade launcher of a fire support platoon.

- ... We started the assault with a battalion. Our company and two more in other directions. We took one landing, strengthened, we were told to go one more landing forward. There we had to dig in, hold the defense and not let your troops through. A heavy mortar shelling began there, there were many wounded, two hundredth. Reinforcements were supposed to be sent to us, but your group soon reached us. We didn't have any ammo and we gave up.

According to the guys who took him,
the command told Nazar that the Russians would run when they saw the Ukrainian troops and the company could calmly move forward. But the Russians did not run, and therefore mourning events were recently held in Transcarpathia.

Nazar was absolutely sure that, having been captured, the Russians would mock, torture, and then send him to fell wood in Siberia. And they actually saved his life." Boris Rozhin

Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 6 2022 11:39 utc | 4

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 11:30 utc | 2

Actually there was one question only, but an important one since the EU diplomatic chief Borrell stepped on faeces once more calling Russia a fascist regime and the need to fight it. Even though this has been denied by his office and attributed the error to the translation, Lavrov insists on receiving the transcript of the original statement in Spanish. This former kibutzim -good first step for a career in the free west- projecting once more and ruining the relations between Spain and Russia, as I've said before spaniards in Russia are met warmly, that has been my experience, that idiot functionary that does not know what diplomacy is, with astronomical salary and perks is taking care of that. I'll leave it there so as not to go into insults.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 11:50 utc | 5


BTW, NS2 is ready to go and if there is a technical hick-up, the turbines are actually Russian ones and could be repaired instantly.
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 6 2022 11:31 utc | 3

This show the importance for countries of keeping their native industry for strategic sectors of the economy. Compare this with Nordstream, where the turbines were originally from a British company (Rolls-Royce), who, for exclusively financial short-term reasons sold the division that made them to a german company (Siemens), which in turn for more MBA-based reasons now make them in Canada.
And it also shows the delusion behind the whole "services-based economy" hype:
At the end of the day, Banks, Hedge-Fund and Insurance companies can't feed you, won't fix your roads, won't fuel your car, keep you warm or manufacture ammunition. You need a real agro-industrial economy for that.

Posted by: Marcos E BR | Sep 6 2022 11:54 utc | 6

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine - as of September 6, 2022

🔻 During the day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continued to attempt to attack in certain areas of the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction.

▪️Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery deliver precision strikes on units and reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In the areas of the settlements of VISUNSK, YAVKINO, BEREZNEGOVATOE and CHERVONOPOLIE, manpower and military equipment were hit at the temporary deployment points of the 61st Infantry Brigade, the 35th Marine Brigade and the 17th Tank Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Also, three depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the BOLSHOE ARTAKOVO region of the Nikolaev region.

▪️ High-precision long-range sea-based missiles "Caliber" in the area of ​​​​the village of KARPOVKA, Dnepropetrovsk region, destroyed a large fuel storage destined for a group of Ukrainian troops in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction.

▪️Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense systems shot down three Su-25s of the Ukrainian Air Force. One Su-25 in the area of ​​​​the village of SNIGIREVKA and two Ukrainian Su-25s in the MIRNOE region in the Nikolaev region.

▪️In just a day, in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction, the enemy lost 12 tanks, 11 infantry fighting vehicles and 8 other armored vehicles, 6 pickup trucks with heavy machine guns and more than 210 military personnel.

▪️High-precision air-based weapons hit the points of temporary deployment of units of the 54th and 93rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of ARTEMOVSK, Donetsk People's Republic. Up to 250 servicemen and more than 10 vehicles and armored vehicles were destroyed.

▪️In the area of ​​the settlement VESELYANKA, Zaporozhye region, up to 100 militants and 15 units of military equipment were destroyed by high-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the points of temporary deployment of the 1st battalion of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

▪️Due to high losses and the cessation of rotation, the personnel of the units of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, operating in the ZAYTSEVO region of the Donetsk People's Republic, refuse to perform combat missions and leave combat positions in groups.

🔻 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery continue to strike at military facilities on the territory of Ukraine.

▪️During the day, three command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit, including the 14th mechanized brigade in the STONE YARUGA area of ​​the Kharkiv region, the command and observation post of the battalion of the 102nd territorial defense brigade in the village of POLTAVKA, Zaporozhye region, as well as 52 artillery units, manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the 161st district.

▪️A launcher of the Ukrainian Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the Grygorivka area of ​​the Donetsk People's Republic.

▪️In a day, air defense systems shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of YAKOVENKOVO, KAPITOLOVKA, LIPTSY of the Kharkiv region, KIRILLOVKA, SLADHOE, VALERYANKOVKA, NOVOANDREEVKA of the Donetsk People's Republic, SKADOVSK, Kherson region and the city of KHERSON.

▪️A ballistic missile "Tochka-U" was also intercepted in the area of ​​​​the settlement of POPASNAYA in the Luhansk People's Republic and 11 shells of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system in the area of ​​​​the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

▪️In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 290 aircraft, 152 helicopters, 1889 unmanned aerial vehicles, 373 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4845 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 825 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3369 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5343 units of special military vehicles.

🔻 The Kyiv regime continues provocations at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to create a threat of a man-made disaster.

▪️During the day, 15 artillery attacks on the city of ENERGODAR and the territory of the Zaporozhye NPP were recorded by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

▪️In total, Ukrainian artillery fired 20 shells, including three on the territory of the nuclear power plant. One of the munitions hit the roof of special building No. 1, the second hit the area of ​​the transition between special building No. 1 and the second power unit, the third exploded near the tanks for storing distilled water near power unit No. 2.

▪️The fire was fired from Ukrainian positions in the area of ​​​​the settlement MARGANETs, ​​Dnepropetrovsk region. Artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were suppressed by the return fire of Russian artillery.

▪️The radiation situation at the Zaporozhye NPP is normal.

Posted by: Summary | Sep 6 2022 11:57 utc | 7

I dont understand the Russian strategy at all.
1. Cherson counterattack
Ukronazis announced the counterattack for a long time and is therefore not a real surprise but the russian defense
at place reacts and reacted like they had been overtaken by events. In order to avoid encirclement, on the eve of
Vysokopolya RF had to retreat in an organized manner with significant losses.
2. Today ukronazis started a counterattack in direction of Balakleya. attackers become defenders
3. Avdiivka
Since six months RF trying to conquer Adviika. Without success, unfortunately. The nazis shelling 24/7 from Adviivka
Doneck and surrounding settlements. From Adviivka the nazis have killed in the last six months minimum 1000 civilians
and and unknown numbers of russian soldiers.
Instead of bombing the shit out of the Nazi scums in the trenches and buildings the Motto is soft approach because of
civilians and infrastructue.
While the RF are attacking in soft modus the enemy is killing civilians en masse and destroying infrastructure.
Totally INSANE strategy this SMO!!!
Only drop 24/7days FAB 500 bombs on Avdiivka and finish this nazi cockroaches. This war and not a philanthropic
humanitarian chapionship! In the last six months more civilians have died from Adviivka nazis shelling at Donezk than
if RF would pulverize Adviivka. Such an FAB500 nonstop 24/7 attack would send the right signal to all other nazis held
locations. But this soft ice approach will only help the enemy to import more heavy weapons for counterattacks


Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 12:02 utc | 8

What is the US goal in Ukraine? They really don't have one.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/09/what-is-americas-goal-for-the-ukraine-war-answer-we-dont-have-one/

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc | 9

Ukraine is only a part of Russian strategy. The effect can really be seen between the original UN vote with 141 countries condemning the 'invasion'. In comparison to the 6th month anniversary vote of 56. While the initial vote was all over msm.The other,not so much. Ukraine as a leech sucking on the west has a greater destabilising effect,than is immediately apparent.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc | 10

Re: Posted by: ct | Sep 6 2022 11:15 utc | 1


And screw over their friends in Hungary & Serbia?

Why would they do that?

I really don't think Hungary & Serbia would appreciate that. Do you?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 6 2022 12:23 utc | 11

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 12:02 utc | 8

Has it occurred to you that for many senior guys in the Russian army, some of these towns in the Donbass may in fact be their home town, and they do not wish to destroy it.

Just think a little while. The guys who are now in their 50s/60s, usually the senior guys, were trained and joined the USSR army. When the separation happened, it is more than probable that many of the Russian speaking military guys would have chosen advancement in the Russian army than sticking with Ukraine. Moreover in the years 2000-2014, the Russian army was paid better etc. Many of the Donbass dwellers who took out Russian citizenship and went to work in Russia, may also have more recently joined the Russian army, especialy those who had relocated their families to Russia.

Also many of the Russian guys will have trained with the Ukrainians and chaces are that most have at least one friend from the areas.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 6 2022 12:23 utc | 12

The so called Kherson offensive in two pictures.

This is what the Russians call a firebag.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb9VO8iWQAAvDdT?format=jpg&name=large

And this is how it functions.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb6IjBUXgAURFXg?format=png&name=small

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2022 12:28 utc | 13

It strikes me how often the statements of Peskov that "russia will not resume gas supplies to europe until sanctions are lifted" is misinterpreted.

If you read the article closely Peskov says that Siemens doesn't repair the turbine because it is forbidden by the sanctions and that gas delivery can only resume when those sanctions are relieved.

So I see no threat or blackmail, only a matter of fact conclusion of a rather limited range.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/05/russia-will-not-resume-gas-supplies-to-europe-until-sanctions-lifted-says-moscow

Posted by: Wim | Sep 6 2022 12:32 utc | 14

Re: Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc | 10

Ukraine has been sucking on the West for 8 Years+ - why not another 8+ years?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 6 2022 12:37 utc | 15

@Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 12:02 utc | 8

The closer an asset is destroyed to the front line the more expensive was in manpower and materiel for the opponent to field.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2022 12:38 utc | 16

It is going to take some time to determine how successful the recent Ukrainian offensive was or was not.

If the Ukrainians were greatly weakened by this recent large offensive, this will be counted a success for Russia. And Russia should be able to mobilize significantly taking new territory.

Time will tell!

Posted by: young | Sep 6 2022 12:39 utc | 17

According to Bloomberg Europe has reserved $375 Billion in heating bill relief. UK’s Truss has set aside £130 billion.


Think of all the gas you could have bought with that money. Now you get nothing.

My Spanish Engineer Friend has been predicting for years that there simply is not sufficient petro energy resources to go around.

Apparently, the Russians and Chinese found more, lots more....
BUT....

NATOstan will not receive any....

UNTIL....

They capitulate...

Regardless....

Those $billions and $billions... are keystrokes in a computer... bits in a memory chip...

They cannot burn... and keep anyone warm this winter...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 6 2022 12:40 utc | 18

Vid of heavy equipment by rail in Crimea to Kherson this week.
https://t.me/intelslava/36398
The Russian army is deploying reinforcements along the Crimean post to the Kherson region, where the enemy continues to attempt an offensive

Pic of fire at the oil depot in Krivoy Rog.
https://t.me/intelslava/36469

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:40 utc | 19

From IntelSlava

🇵🇱🇺🇦⚡From September 10, Poland will no longer accept Ukrainian hryvnia for exchange, - National Bank of Poland.

“The National Banks of Poland and Ukraine inform that the program for the exchange of Ukrainian hryvnia for Polish zlotys, which was launched for the needs of Ukrainian citizens in Poland, is nearing completion.

The last week of operations at PKO Bank Polski branches is from 5 to 9 September 2022.”

Posted by: Down South | Sep 6 2022 12:43 utc | 20

young | Sep 6 2022 12:39 utc | 17
“……It is going to take some time to determine how successful the recent Ukrainian offensive was or was not.
Nah.
Brain Berletic at New Atlas has already pulled together a reasoned assessment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwDizPXHMiU
Kherson Offensive: What Went Wrong?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:45 utc | 21

Marcos E BR | Sep 6 2022 11:54 utc | 6

And it also shows the delusion behind the whole "services-based economy" hype:
At the end of the day, Banks, Hedge-Fund and Insurance companies can't feed you, won't fix your roads, won't fuel your car, keep you warm or manufacture ammunition. You need a real agro-industrial economy for that.

Indeed. As the Chinese said in their "China 2025" policy document

Manufacturing is the engine that will drive the new Chinese economy. Since the beginning of industrial civilization in the Middle of the 18th century, it has been proven repeatedly by the rise and fall of world powers that without strong manufacturing, there is no national prosperity.

I guess the EU as a non-imperial Empire is learning this lesson the hard way.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 6 2022 12:46 utc | 22

Julian
Because the 'west' is drying up- the milk and honey are diminished. Already it is becoming difficult for governments to explain that, while they do not have the capacity to subsidise energy bills or curb speculators in the hydrocarbon markets, sending another billion or so to cover Zelensky's movie crew's expenses is no problem.
See Prague, last Saturday.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 6 2022 12:47 utc | 23

BTW, NS2 is ready to go and if there is a technical hick-up, the turbines are actually Russian ones and could be repaired instantly. Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 6 2022 11:31 utc | 3
Nope. Putin has said the gas for NS2 has now been redirected for domestic consumption.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:48 utc | 24

Javier Blas Bloomberg
The size of the UK energy bail-out is off-the charts.
According to @alexwickham. on top of the £130 billion to freeze household energy bills, Liz Truss is mulling another £40 billion for small business.
The ~£170 billion equals to the annual NHS budget, and it's >5% of GDP
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1567067323000832004?cxt=HHwWiICy6a7bq78rAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:53 utc | 25

Early reports, not confirmed of Ukrainian advances toward Balakliya (NNW of Izyum). Medium-sized town that would provide a bridgehead over Seversky Donets if liberated. There was a large ammo depot blown up there a couple days ago.

Russian pontoon bridge over the Inhulets at Daryivka was knocked out, bridge next to it is heavily damaged and likely not usable.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 6 2022 12:53 utc | 26

@9 unimperator | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc

Yes they do.
Keep the Biden Gang in the money, and out of jail.

Posted by: imo | Sep 6 2022 12:56 utc | 27

@bevin | Sep 6 2022 12:47 utc | 23

Mere billions are not sufficient.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-06/goldman-sees-2-trillion-surge-in-europe-energy-bills-by-2023

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2022 13:05 utc | 28

The Taliban special services believe that the terrorist attack in Kabul at the Russian embassy was organized by ISIS with the support of foreign intelligence services that oversee the activities of terrorists.

It is worth noting that even during the war against the United States, the Taliban has repeatedly stated that ISIS and the United States are acting together in Afghanistan, in particular, citing as an example an episode with the Taliban storming a prison where ISIS militants were held, who were taken out by American helicopters.
It is also worth noting that former Afghan President Hamid Karzai (whom it is difficult to suspect of sympathizing with the Taliban, who consider him an American puppet) also agreed with the Taliban's opinion that ISIS and the United States are acting on the same side in Afghanistan, which he also publicly stated.

In the capital of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, the work of the Taliban's counter-terrorism agencies to identify ISIS cells has now been intensified. According to the Taliban government, this terrorist attack was aimed at destroying the strengthening relations between the Russian Federation and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (agreements on oil and gas supplies to Afghanistan were reached not so long ago).

In addition to the injured civilians and two dead Russian diplomats, 4 Taliban militants who were engaged in protecting the embassy were killed.

-cc

Posted by: terroristattack | Sep 6 2022 13:13 utc | 29

"Russia should be able to mobilize significantly taking new territory"

Flawed assumption. What leads you to think the Russians are currently interested in taking new territory?

Russia's stated goals are demilitarization and denazification of the Ukraine. They are accomplishing that right now as the Nazis and military are coming to them. Later the Russians will have to advance to find more Nazis and military equipment to destroy, but they are not at that point yet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 6 2022 13:29 utc | 30

BTW, NS2 is ready to go and if there is a technical hick-up, the turbines are actually Russian ones and could be repaired instantly. Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 6 2022 11:31 utc | 3

Nope. Putin has said the gas for NS2 has now been redirected for domestic consumption.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:48 utc | 24

Putin's remarks on the topic (at least the ones I read) said that half the gas has been redirected, so that only one half of NS2 could go into production if EU comes to their senses. And that the second half will not remain available indefinitely.

Has the second half been repurposed as well? I don't think so, otherwise Poland wouldn't insist of dismantling NS2.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 6 2022 13:30 utc | 31

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 12:02 utc | 8

Every other day, you post with the same worrying complaint about Russian strategy, and every post is prudently rebutted by the MOA regulars with clarity. You call yourself a chessmaster, yet your focus is on events at the 5000 foot level, and not at the 50,000 foot level. As a result, you are not seeing the situation as a whole (or you are just trolling). The Russians have not done everything well at the micro level (no military operation does); but at the macro level the Russian strategy has been exceptional, as Marinus has pointed out in the USMC Gazette, and as is evidenced by the geopolitical and economic current state, after 6 months of nuclear level sanctions weathered by Russia.

This is the early stages of total war, and it is occuring across all aspects of our world. The next few weeks are a dangerous time. If you like chess, you have been blessed to live in such interesting times.

Posted by: Buddy the Cat | Sep 6 2022 13:37 utc | 32

Angry Planet
Indonesia:
Thousands of Indonesians are protesting against the Indonesian government's decision to raise fuel prices by 30%.
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1566938459993845760

France:
Freedom protests in France today…
The resistance against the WEF globalist agenda is growing… #WEF
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1566276194445713408?cxt=HHwWgICz4c_5w7wrAAAA

Czech Republic:
Prague. Energy prices because Ukraine war
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1566475778677678085?cxt=HHwWioCxlfranr0rAAAA


Germany:
Thousands of Germans in Magdeburg oppose Olaf Scholz's policy by shouting: "Nord Stream! Nord Stream!" EU sanctions were supposed to weaken Russia's economy, instead they are destroying Europe's economy. This is reality.
https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1567064963658776576?cxt=HHwWgIC8rYTSqr8rAAAA

Germans rise up en masse. Demonstrations in many German cities against Olaf Scholz's policy and the sanctions against Russia that are leading Germany and beyond into the abyss. In the video Leipzig. It will be a very hot autumn in Europe and beyond.
https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1566867323465744384?cxt=HHwWgIC-le7h0L4rAAAA

Netherlands
Sri Lanka
+ others….

[Might post others tomorrow.]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 13:48 utc | 33

too scents @ 28
Two trillion euros in one year? It took the US ten years to blow that in Afghanistan. How much of that is being fed into Russian coffers? NATO sends mostly junk to the Ukraine and Euros converted into rubles to Russia.

We are in the nut-o-sphere.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 6 2022 14:00 utc | 34

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 13:48 utc | 33

Those demonstrations are quite large. early days yet.

The Czech one looked significant. it will be hard for Europe to hold to their strategy.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 6 2022 14:08 utc | 35

Martina | Sep 6 2022 13:30 utc | 31
My understanding is gas has to be presold, then produced, then pumped.
That’s why historically Russia insisted on long term contracts at lower than spot prices, … it allowed them to work to a known production/ volume schedule.
NS2 was “primed” with gas at the time of its completion and in anticipation of its commissioning. Then Biden told Scholtz on the steps of that White House that NS2 would not be brought on line.
As there are no contracts for the production of gas, there’s no gas just lying around waiting for the Germans to suddenly now want it.
Gas that might have been produced for NS2 has now been designated for domestic production. We’re Germans tomorrow want NS2 gas, they’d have to sign a long term contract and join the production schedule cue.
That’s why EU and Asia have been scouring global gas producers and discovering to their chagrin, production is tight and there’s no idle spare gas …… short supply is pushing prices up.

As for Poland. It’s best understood as a yapping demented Chihuahua.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 14:08 utc | 36

...So I see no threat or blackmail, only a matter of fact conclusion of a rather limited range.
...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/05/russia-will-not-resume-gas-supplies-to-europe-until-sanctions-lifted-says-moscow

Posted by: Wim | Sep 6 2022 12:32 utc | 14

Correct. If Gazprom deviates from the contacted operation, inspection and maintenance of these NS1 compressors, it would void any warranty it has on them or any resulting damage. If Gazprom acts to ship a serviced compressor on its own initiative, it almost certainly becomes liable for sanctions violation.

Zelensky and other UA pressure groups have actively campaigned to block the return of services compressors or for any sanctions exemption that would allow the compressors contact to be legitimately fulfilled. They have succeeded!

All could be solved by providing a specific sanctions exemption for these compressors. The Guardian is no more able to admit this fact than they are able to admit the facts surrounding Minsk I / II or MH17 or any other Empire diaper fudge.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 6 2022 14:09 utc | 37

EU diplomatic chief Borrell stepped on faeces once more calling Russia a fascist regime and the need to fight it. Even though this has been denied by his office and attributed the error to the translation...

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 11:50 utc | 5

According to Sputnik News, the "fascist regime" quote was from a question asked by the Estonians, and Borrell merely repeated the phrase in his answer in his native language.

Seems a bit oversensitive of the Russians, all governments adopt some aspects of fascism during wartime, including the EU.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 6 2022 14:11 utc | 38

Nope. Putin has said the gas for NS2 has now been redirected for domestic consumption.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 6 2022 12:48 utc | 24

50% of NS2 capacity is now committed to RF domestic use:

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/78908/

How long until it’s 100% ?

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 6 2022 14:14 utc | 39

In comparison to the 6th month anniversary vote of 56. While the initial vote was all over msm.The other,not so much. Ukraine as a leech sucking on the west has a greater destabilising effect,than is immediately apparent.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc | 10

There was no "vote" after 6 months. It was a letter of condemnation circulated by the Ukrainian delegation which the representatives of 56 countries signed. There was no indication of who was asked and declined to sign.

Big difference.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 6 2022 14:19 utc | 40

If the protests keep building I can see us joining a new Russian Empire for cheap gas :)

Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 14:26 utc | 41

There is no chance of EU changing its course. EU elite remains firmly attached to US. No change is possible.

Posted by: mario2 | Sep 6 2022 14:29 utc | 42

Posted by: Martina | Sep 6 2022 13:30 utc | 31

Sorry, I missed your comment and made a redundant one on the same topic.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 6 2022 14:31 utc | 43

RSH @29

Thanks for that...i've been curious...makes sense.

Posted by: FormerMilitary | Sep 6 2022 14:32 utc | 44

when will gazprom stop gas flows through ukraine?

Posted by: ct | Sep 6 2022 11:15 utc | 1

What for ? Ukraine is a black hole. Money, Weapons, Gaz : Everything entering Ukraine eventually disappear.

So the scheme is the following : EU pay for gaz, Gazprom send it via Ukraine where it disappear. In the meantime Ukraine blackmail EU for more monies and weapons.

At the end of the day, EU paid for nothing, is getting poorer and further deplete its weapon stock, achieving the entire demilitarisation of EU at its own cost

Posted by: w | Sep 6 2022 14:36 utc | 45

I dont wanna be a partycrasher but we hat somewhere between 150.000 and 300.000 people on a single demonstration in Vienna at the hight of the Rona-dictates and nothing happened. Nothing. The media told the public that about 30.000 nazis were causing trouble and those who didnt see it, just believed it.

The demonstrations now do not indicate anything. We will see what happens when the lights go out. Until then they will just be ignored.

Posted by: orgel | Sep 6 2022 14:45 utc | 46

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 6 2022 11:31 utc | 3

Well that gas transit across Ukraine was worth a fortune in Julia Timoschenko's day and I suppose the Cyprus accounts were good for Z too.

So I bet it was the US that pushed to cut flow to Western Europe to pressure EU statelets to conform to Washington direction - and I bet they compensated Z with income from reverse-flow from Western Europe with Spot+Premium to boost his income from gouging Ukrainians buying Russian gas from Western Europe

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 6 2022 14:50 utc | 47

Winter is coming! Its going to be quite cold. There would power cuts and dark days in Europe.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 6 2022 15:07 utc | 48

Winter is coming! Very cold days and power cuts in Europe. Gas will be cut off from Europe.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 6 2022 15:10 utc | 49

Posted by: orgel | Sep 6 2022 14:45 utc | 45
Demonstration alone never enough. Those that actually succeed combined long enduring persistence and general strike.
With Europe industry set to contract if not collapse altogether general strike is not impossible.

As usual there'll be media blackout for sure but if economy and livelihoods get disrupted for good while they will have to do something regardless.

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 6 2022 15:19 utc | 50

Some gas will be still be flowing in Turkstream (Southstream), is there any other direct pipeline to Europe operating currently? Also some LNG apparently is shipped from China/Yamal, whatever is left over from the (38 billion m3) Power of Siberia 1.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2022 15:21 utc | 51

From Intel Slava Z telegram channel....
Losses of Ukraine during the counterattack on Kherson from August 29 to September 6

3100 military personnel
152 tanks
151 infantry fighting vehicles
110 combat armored vehicles
56 armored pickups
17 special vehicles

7 SU-25
1 SU-24
3 MIG-29
3 Mi-8

Not to mention 7,000 wounded...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 6 2022 15:21 utc | 52

Operation Z – a new interview with former Swiss Intelligence officer Jacques Baud

Vanessa beeley / 6 hours ago
We are pleased to bring you this fresh interview with Jacques Baud, in which we cover what is now happening in the geopolitical struggle that is the Ukraine-Russia war. As always, Mr. Baud brings deep insight and clear analysis to the conversation – The Postil

"...Zelensky was elected in April 2019 on the program of reaching an agreement with Russia. But nobody let him carry out his program. The Germans and the French deliberately prevented him from implementing the Minsk agreements. The transcript of the telephone conversation of 20 February 2022 between Emmanuel Macron and Vladimir Putin shows that France deliberately kept Ukraine away from the solution. Moreover, in Ukraine, far right and neo-Nazi political forces have publicly threatened him with death. Dmitry Yarosh, commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army, declared in May 2019 that Zelensky would be hanged if he carried out his program. In other words, Zelensky is trapped between his idea of reaching an agreement with Russia and the demands of the West. Moreover, the West realizes that its strategy of war through sanctions has failed. As the economic and social problems increase, the West will find it harder to back down without losing face. A way out for Britain, the US, the EU, or France would be to remove Zelensky. That is why, with the deteriorating situation in Ukraine, I think Zelensky starts to realize that his life is threatened.

At the end of the day, Zelensky is a poor guy, because his best enemies are those on whom he depends: the Western world..."

I'm trying to fathom what kind of replacement the U.S. has chosen for Zelensky. Chosen - past tense. They would have done this months ago. Zelensky's replacement will face the same challenges: ultranationalists will kill any leader capitulating to the Russians whether U.S. chosen or not.

For the U.S., it really doesn't matter how the war ends. It will likely end to the DPR/LPR/Russian's benefit if not Ukraine's total demise, which will be even more fertilizer for the U.S. to continue sowing resentment and hatred towards Russia. I don't think my leaders here in the U.S. have considered the whole energy price blowback on the stability of EU economies and governments thing yet. I'm 100% sure they think this can be managed with propaganda and still used against Russia ad nauseum. Remember: the U.S. fallback plan is always to double down on stupid.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 6 2022 15:22 utc | 53

I can see a situation where governments are pressured,in a similar way UKIP pressured conservative policy. Just the fear of losing power is enough ,politicians are not brave creatures,with the odd exception. Of course, should certain residences be conspicuously lit and heated,those will become a target as grannies freeze.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 15:28 utc | 54

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 6 2022 14:11 utc | 37

You’re not familiar with Russia or the Russians and their sensibility. A country where everybody has a close or not so close relative killed by the real and original fascists to be called fascist by someone from one of the many European countries -just like it is happening now, history repeating itself- that sent over 50K soldiers of the so called voluntary Blue Division. Typical blame the victim, they won't go for that, and one more thing, remember what is that imbecile job, he is the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs, if that is diplomacy well, then anything goes. There is nothing else to talk about with that guy, that’s what they said in Moscow, and I assume that until the idiot and his boss VonDerLying are not kicked out there won’t be any chance of a rapprochement.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 15:29 utc | 55

Melaleuca@33

Thanks for the reminders and updates of the awakenings in Europe. Will their treasonous governments under NWO financier control be able to keep the lid on the accelerating uprisings? Will their militaries continue to obey governmental orders? Even military types have families and kinfolk who will be suffering greatly over the coming months. If one of those regimes goes down, it is not unlikely to have an actual domino effect.

Except for the young and the migrants, perhaps, Europeans know bullshit propaganda when they experience it on a daily basis. Unfortunately, this realism is yet but an undercurrent across "the fruited plain".

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 6 2022 15:30 utc | 56

Here another great Interview with the swiss military expert Jacques Baud:
https://www.thepostil.com/our-latest-interview-with-jacques-baud/
also in german:
https://overton-magazin.de/hintergrund/politik/ukraine-krieg-irrefuehrende-darstellung-in-den-medien-und-unverstaendnis-der-russischen-kriegsfuehrung/

(...)"Thus, the objectives announced as early as February 24 by Russia were the “demilitarization” and “denazification” of the threat to the populations of Donbass. These objectives are related to the neutralization of capabilities, not the seizure of land or resources. To put it bluntly, in theory, to achieve their goals the Russians do not need to advance—it would be enough if Ukrainians themselves would come and get killed.

In other words, our politicians and media have pushed Ukraine to defend the terrain like in France during the First World War. They pushed Ukrainian troops to defend every square meter of ground in “last stand” situations. Ironically, the West has only made the Russians’ job easier.

In fact, as with the war on terror, Westerners see the enemy as they would like him to be, not as he is. As Sun Tzu said 2,500 years ago, this is the best recipe for losing a war.

One example is the so-called “hybrid war” that Russia is allegedly waging against the West. In June 2014, as the West tried to explain Russia’s (imaginary) intervention in the Donbass conflict, Russia expert Mark Galeotti “revealed” the existence of a doctrine that would illustrate the Russian concept of hybrid warfare. Known as the “Gerasimov Doctrine,” it has never really been defined by the West as to what it consists of and how it could ensure military success. But it is used to explain how Russia wages war in Donbass without sending troops there and why Ukraine consistently loses its battles against the rebels. In 2018, realizing that he was wrong, Galeotti apologized—courageously and intelligently—in an article titled, “I’m Sorry for Creating the Gerasimov Doctrine” published in Foreign Policy magazine.

Despite this, and without knowing what it meant, our media and politicians continued to pretend that Russia was waging a hybrid war against Ukraine and the West. In other words, we imagined a type of war that does not exist and we prepared Ukraine for it. This is also what explains the challenge for Ukraine to have a coherent strategy to counter Russian operations.

The West does not want to see the situation as it really is. The Russian-speaking coalition has launched its offensive with an overall strength inferior to that of the Ukrainians in a ratio of 1-2:1. To be successful when you are outnumbered, you must create local and temporary superiorities by quickly moving your forces on the battlefield.

This is what the Russians call “operational art” (operativnoe iskoustvo). This notion is poorly understood in the West. The term “operational” used in NATO has two translations in Russian: “operative” (which refers to a command level) and “operational” (which defines a condition). It is the art of maneuvering military formations, much like a chess game, in order to defeat a superior opponent.

For example, the operation around Kiev was not intended to “deceive” the Ukrainians (and the West) about their intentions, but to force the Ukrainian army to keep large forces around the capital and thus “pin them down.” In technical terms, this is what is called a “shaping operation.” Contrary to the analysis of some “experts,” it was not a “deception operation,” which would have been conceived very differently and would have involved much larger forces. The aim was to prevent a reinforcement of the main body of the Ukrainian forces in the Donbass.

The main lesson of this war at this stage confirms what we know since the Second World War: the Russians master the operational art."

Posted by: Tom | Sep 6 2022 15:33 utc | 57

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 6 2022 15:21 utc | 50

Ukraine also now tried to launched a second offensive, somewhat south east of Kharkov apparently in the Izyum direction. It's probably all related to the Nato meeting within a week or so.

https://t.me/asbmil/4824

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2022 15:38 utc | 58

orgel @ 45

The demonstrations now do not indicate anything. We will see what happens when the lights go out. Until then they will just be ignored.

Exactly. You can't ask for more massive, relentless, motivated protests than the Gilets Jaunes, people in the thousands to millions, dozens of cities at a time, every weekend for two years, all amounting to nothing. In the 50s-70s protests of this scale would have toppled governments and brought about reforms. That's all over in the neo-liberal environment.

Sorry if I repeat myself but we aren't heading for totalitarianism, we are well in it. It's obscured from most people as it's what Wolin calls "inverted totalitarianism". That's why a million people in the street with signs and banners result in absolutely nothing these days. The governments in the West are unresponsive which is the one word definition of totalitarianism. Can we get out of this? Well getting yourself out of totalitarianism is a lot harder that preventing it.

My guess is we'll have to hit rock bottom, when the middle class realizes its interest are tied to the working class and no longer tied to the rulers, ie the cops and army rebel. If you want to see how hard it is just look a Pakistan and Sri Lanka at the moment, pretty much the entire population is in the street to little avail.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2022 15:41 utc | 59

After the gas, Baerbock decides they don't need diesel in Germany either;

"Companies that impose a price cap will not be among the recipients of Russian oil," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov

Meanwhile the G7 countries have agreed to introduce a price cap on purchases of Russian oil in an attempt to limit the Kremlin's ability to fund its war

A large part (12 million tons/annum & 240,000 bbl/day) of German diesel and gasoline fuels come from the Schwedt refinery which mainly processes crude oil from Russia supplied through the Druzhba Pipeline

No Russian Ural oil for Schwedt mean major loss for Germany of gasoline, diesel fuel, light heating oil, liquid gas, bitumen, jet fuel and sulphur, plus 300 MW of reliable electricity generation. Plus they get a huge zombie oil refinery

Posted by: Lapin | Sep 6 2022 15:43 utc | 60

@ PavewayIV | Sep 6 2022 15:22 utc | 51

a few of us have been speculating on this topic too... valerii zaluzhnyi head of the ukraine armed forces was one possibility.. he had yarosh as part of his team shortly after he was given the high command position, but that was changed... the other fellow we discussed a week or less here - Major General Sergey Krivonos who was supposed to run against zelensky, but dropped out beforehand... he was questioning this kherson offensive the past week and asking about how long before ukrainians question all the needless death... do a search for this article as a start
Major General of Ukraine: Ukraine is a hare, Russia is a bear, and the hare can only defeat the bear if it grows up..

here is another article on him which triggered my curiousity about his possibilities here.. hard to know.. -
Ex-deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council estimated the irretrievable losses of Ukraine at hundreds of thousands of people

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2022 15:44 utc | 61

Starting to think Beerbong and co. are Russian sleeper agents,or maybe Chinese.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 6 2022 15:49 utc | 62

LMFAO

So according to US 'intelligence', not content with buying drones from Iran, sanctions are causing Russia to buy ammunition from North Korea now:

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is-buying-artillery-ammunition-nkorea-report-2022-09-06/

Last i checked, Russia is a net exporter of Iron ore, Nitrogen, Potassium and Sulphur, by some margin too.

At least they could have said domestic production cannot match the current attrition rate, but hey had to put their stupid sanctions in the narrative, didn't they...

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 6 2022 15:57 utc | 63

@ orgel | Sep 6 2022 14:45 utc | 45 // LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2022 15:41 utc | 57

thanks for saying all that.. i agree with you both.. the parallel if there is one here is how any possible leadership change in ukraine will not amount to any change as this is being driven by the west under the leadership of usa / uk - cia/m16.... it won't matter if a new leader is introduced as it will not mark any change.. just as the lights must go off in europe, the west has to suffer a major loss here on the ukrainian battlefield... i can't see any other end to this..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2022 15:59 utc | 64

Ok, Russia is winning. Ukraine is being grinded down. Europe will have a cold winter. We all - most - here know this, and western MSM, "intelligence" and experts have been lying shamelessly for monthes. But we can't turn a blind eye to what is happening on the battlefield. Donbass liberation has gone from liberating settlements to cleansing fortified positions. Likewise, Ukraine has launched the Kherson offensive and today started another offensive front in Kharkov-Izyum.

Does that mean Russians are going to be pushed back to their territories, that Ukraine is going to win the war, blah blah blah? Hell no. But the ultra "optimistic" predictions from the likes of Gonzalo have been proved to be way off. He has been saying Ukraine will collapse any minute for monthes. Odessa and Kharkov would by Russian garanteed. And even said Russia would eventually push all the way to the west - where he thought Russians would "leave" for Poland.

Kherson offensive has been a disaster and an utter failure. Kharkov/Izyum has just started, but I am expecting - and hoping - it is going to follow suit. But, the point is, these are not the movements of an army that is likely to collapse any minute. It seems the NATO financing was bigger than anticipated.

Yes, Donbass will be liberated. No, Ukraine will not "retake" the south. However, at this point, I am seriously doubting Russia will get anywhere near Odessa or Kharkov, unless they seriously ramp things up.

And if the trend keeps up, the more likely NATO will mantain/increase the support. To see Europe to crumble in winter would be gold, but what if it doesn't happen? It seems a lot of folks are putting all their chips on the assured assumption that all of Europe will succumb in the coming monthes. It is a reckless "strategy".

I sincerely hope this is not the single Russian option/expectation, because this wouldn't be a strategy, but a gamble. Hoping is not a strategy.

But then, what do I know?

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 6 2022 16:05 utc | 65

Got to hand it to Roger Waters. While everybody is waving blue and yellow flags and 'standing by Ukraine' he suggests there may be a better way...

https://news.yahoo.com/roger-waters-writes-letter-olena-053244678.html

Posted by: dh | Sep 6 2022 16:07 utc | 66

Agree Paul #46
I was living in Ukraine when Julia Tymo. headed to Russia in order to make a deal with PM Putin for gaz. When she got back and the news repeated the price - we just about had a heart attack - it almost doubled. Years later, Tymoshankster is a multi multi millionaire and a Victim. . And this was SOP for all Kiev politicians, as this war shows it - again.

I still can't get over how it seems like the Americans in the States are backing the Nazis - my fathers WW II generation was just spit on.

Posted by: GMC | Sep 6 2022 16:18 utc | 67

my friend in Colorado thinks all the Ukrainian nazis were rounded up at Mariupol. I cannot disabuse him of this notion. I am encourage to see Craig Murray at least partially coming around on Ukraine, as I interpret it, even refers to the controlled opposition in the UK. I don't think he's a gatekeeper.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/caught-in-a-cycle-of-despair-and-exploitation/

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 6 2022 16:21 utc | 68

Paco @5--

Actually, there were more questions, the first being about Truss. Here's Lavrov's machine translated reply:

Question: Yesterday, Lyudmila Truss was elected head of the British Conservative Party. Today it will be officially announced by the new Prime Minister of the country. During the election campaign, Lyudmila Truss promised to continue a tough anti-Russian policy, as well as to provide comprehensive assistance to Kiev, including the supply of heavy weapons. How, in your opinion, can the appointment of Mr Truss to the post of Prime Minister affect Russian-British relations? Should we expect an increase in the actions of the West to prolong the Ukrainian conflict with such a position of the new head of the British government?

Sergey Lavrov: This event is being discussed quite actively in the world. In the publications of the British media, it is estimated that if you take all the voters, all the adult subjects of the British Crown, then their absolute minority came out in support of this candidacy.

We know how British democracy works: only 160,000 people, declared as members of the Conservative Party, decide the fate of the government. It is believed that if a party wins a general election, then it can decide for itself in its circle, "by means of an interlocutor", who will be in charge.

At one time, we discussed this with our British colleagues when they criticized our democratic system. They were given this striking example. The British agreed that this is not very good, but everyone is used to it, they say, these are the traditions, so in the UK they do not change anything. According to this "tradition", the next prime minister was elected.

As for Truss's statements. We met in this building in early 2022, when she was the head of the British Foreign Office. Larry Truss adheres to his principles of intransigence in defending the interests of the United Kingdom without the intention of taking into account the positions of others in any way and making compromises. I do not think that this will help to preserve or strengthen the position of this country on the international stage, which was clearly shaken after leaving the European Union. For quite a long period of time, London has been actively trying to compensate for the loss of identity and influence in the EU through rather sharp steps on the world stage, including through aggressive actions in the situation around Ukraine. We all know that.

I think that before She finally formulates her obviously negative position towards Russia, it will be a higher priority to deal with her closest neighbours and, among other things, to finally decide: is President Emmanuel Macron a friend or an enemy for her? This question "hung in the air", and remained unanswered. I would think that it would be more important for two neighbors to deal with this than to "look" far beyond their borders.

Tradition of Oligarchy run by Royalty--Feudalism Reigns in UK, a greatly reduced Empire. Here's the Borrell Q&A, emphasis mine:

Question: Yesterday, as part of the inter-parliamentary conference on defence and security, the head of the European diplomatic system, Jean-Sultan Borrell, was asked by an Estonian parliamentarian what specific steps he was going to take in order to inflict a strategic defeat on fascist Russia. In his reply, the High Representative did not argue with this definition of Russia, but repeated the term. How do you assess such rhetoric on the part of Mr Georges Borrell? Is it possible to talk about any relations with the European Union when high-level diplomats use such terms in their speeches and answers?

Sergey Lavrov: I have taken note of this story. J. Borrell not only did not argue with the deputy, who allowed himself such impermissible statements, but, answering his question, said that they do not yet have a specific plan for how to defeat "fascist Russia" and "fascist regime". Thus, the goal is not in doubt, just a "concrete plan" has not been invented. This is not the first time that Mr Georges Borrell, who is the head of EU diplomacy, has not spoken about diplomatic methods for a long time, but constantly demands that we "defeat Russia on the battlefield" or increase arms supplies to Ukraine in order not to make any pauses in this military campaign.

The Office of the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy immediately denied the reports. He stated that J. Borrell spoke Spanish and there was an inaccuracy in the English translation. We have requested from the Office of the High Representative a transcript of his statement in Spanish. They don't give it to us. We will seek full clarity.

If we do not receive this transcript in Spanish today, we will draw the appropriate conclusions. Mr Borrell is, after all, the person who appoints EU representatives abroad. So a week ago we had a new head of the EU Delegation to the Russian Federation appointed by him. If the head of european diplomacy instinctively takes it for granted to talk about the struggle, as he put it, with the "fascist regime", then I would like to know what instructions and directives he gave to his representative in Moscow, and what line this representative will pursue. If we confirm what was reported by all the world's media, we will have big questions about how to continue to do business with these people.

As I wrote on the previous thread, unconditional surrender by NATO/EU is all Russia IMO will accept. I really don't see any other possibilities excepting the popular overthrow of EU and NATO's disintegration, which will bring about a similar result.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 16:23 utc | 69

@ dh - thanks for that...

thanks for your posts paco..

@ karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 16:23 utc | 69

disturbing developments as i see it, but they are in line with everything else we have seen to date... thanks karlof1..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2022 16:37 utc | 70

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 6 2022 16:05 utc | 65

It takes a while because Nato fights to the last Ukrainian. They get killed and then the next batch comes in, mans the same exact spot. You've probably never seen a war in your lifetime where millions get killed.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2022 16:38 utc | 71

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 16:23 utc | 69

I was so incensed by the Borrell idiocy that I forgot about that other jewel, lady Truss, the empire chooses its bus boys really well, petty functionaries eager to promote their careers and make money to the shame and detriment of their native countries, Solana, Borrell, Guterres, Barroso, what a shame, and they are supposed to be "socialists".

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 16:42 utc | 72

Paco @72--

Yes, Truss is a bellwether, a significant sign of overall European demise. We must recall, however, that the Revolution will not be televised.

I just read most of the Interview of the Russian Ambassador to the United States A.I. Antonov to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, September 5, 2022, the most important part being his update on the non-issue of the relevant Visas to Lavrov's UNGA delegation and his opinion about Congress passing a law calling Russia a state sponsor of terrorism:

"Meanwhile, congressmen continue to compete in whipping up Russophobic hysteria, demanding that the State Department recognize our country as a "state sponsor of terrorism." They threaten to adopt a separate law in this regard.

"Such a measure provides for the possibility of applying serious economic sanctions, up to the confiscation of state assets. At the same time, the automatic termination of diplomatic relations is not directly mentioned in US regulatory legal acts.

"I would like to note that declaring us a 'state sponsor of terrorism' will be an unprecedented decision in terms of cynicism, which will lead to the toughest retaliatory actions on our part." [My Emphasis]

Well beyond the pot calling the kettle black. I'm curious about what those "actions" might entail. If they deny Lavrov entry and pass such an act, severance of relations and serious attempt to remove UN HQ from New York would be measures I'd anticipate, the next step being open warfare.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 16:55 utc | 73

«This show the importance for countries of keeping their native industry for strategic sectors of the economy.»

Offshoring and long international supply chains have a big strategic advantage for the USA: they enable the USA Navy, which controls all major shipping choke points, to threaten them at will.

«And it also shows the delusion behind the whole "services-based economy" hype: At the end of the day, Banks, Hedge-Fund and Insurance companies»

There is a large lack of understanding about this topic, on both side, as to what I call "headquarterization":

* Once upon a time business headquarters ("desk jobs") were attached to factories ("shop jobs").

* A first phase of headquarterization was when the headquarters of several businesses moved to regional centers, which then developed things like business districts, stock exchanges, lawyer quarters. Places like Detroit or Milwaukee or Cleveland, or Newcastle or Lyon or Turin. From these regional centers several factories were controlled.

* Eventually a second phase of headquarterization resulted in the moving of business headquarters to national rather than regional capitals, like NYC, London, Paris.

* The third phase of headquarterization happen during the late english, dutch, spanish, french empires, where businesses were run from national capitals but had factories and other branches all over those empires.

* The fourth phase of headquarterization under USA "pax americana" was supposed to move all factories to remote areas of the USA suzerain empire, where trade unions were illegal and/or wages very low, keeping the headquarters in the USA and to a much lesser extent in the capitals of the previous colonial empires. The major example is Apple, which has almost no factory workers, and 1m work for Apple in offshore locations via contractors.

In the first, second and third phase the big questions was the same: why ever all the areas where the actual factories were would send the profits of the business to remote headquarters. The answer was simple: factories were in the same jurisdiction as the headquarters, and the headquarters could use the power of the state to take all the profits.

For headquarters where the factories are (same region, same state, same empire, offshore) does not matter as long as they control them.

In the fourth phase however the factories were subject to the control of a different state from headquarters, and this created two opposed dynamics:

* The attempt of the headquarters states to take control of offshore states via political and military means and via trade treaties imposing offshore jurisdiction (e.g. mandatory foreign arbitration).

* The attempts of *some* factory states to learn from the offshore factories, and create their own businesses with their own factories and headquarters. For example Japan, Korea-south, China-mainland, China-Taiwan, and to a much smaller extent Vietnam and India.

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 6 2022 17:41 utc | 74

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2022 15:41 utc | 59

A sobering, convincing analysis. By all means repeat yourself!

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 6 2022 17:52 utc | 75

«However, at this point, I am seriously doubting Russia will get anywhere near Odessa or Kharkov, unless they seriously ramp things up.»

My best guess is that first the RF military will see what General Winter will do to the military forces of the fascist ukrainian government. Winter is coming, and the ukrainian government has even had to beg for winter uniforms:

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/denmark-provides-military-uniforms-and-winter-clothing-for-ukrainian-defenders
“The Ukrainian servicemen will receive military uniforms and winter clothing from Denmark. The press service of the Office of the President of Ukraine reported about this.
https://www.president.gov.ua/news/prezident-obgovoriv-z-ministrom-zakordonnih-sprav-daniyi-pid-77485”

That is really "strange": winters AFAIK happen in Ukraine every year, they did not start happening this year, and they tend to be really really cold (northern USA level and worse), yet apparently the ukrainian military do not have sufficient stocks of winter clothing for their troops. Are there also enough stocks of fuel for both civilian and military heating and transport for this winter? Enough stocks of food? Enough supply of electricity?

I guess the RF military expect the ukrainian state to fail catastrophically this winter, and that there will be 10-20 million hungry, freezing ukrainians walking in long columns through the snow towards Poland, Romania, Hungary (and Belarus and Russia). If that does not happen I guess that they will start something serious on the anniversary of their counter-attack against the ukrainian war of aggression and ethnic cleansing of the Donbas.

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 6 2022 17:55 utc | 76

Military correspondent Sreda reports that PMC “Wagner” completely expelled the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Kodema and completed the liberation of the village. Earlier it was reported that our troops with the support of armored vehicles repelled powerful counterattacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kodema region.

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 6 2022 18:06 utc | 77

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 6 2022 17:55 utc | 76
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Now, for one, NATO countries have started shipping winter clothing and field heaters to Ukraine.
Whether the Uku army is still there is another question!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 6 2022 18:11 utc | 78

I think what Kremlin is doing right is top notch tactics given their current forces.
Think about it, war is deception, and Kremlin knows well how to play maskirovka.
They led AFU regulars to believe that they kicked orc scum out of Kiev region, and they have enough strength to kick them out of Kherson, Donbass, and possible Crimea, any day now.
And then these untrained kids are running straight into well calibrated cannons, a slaughter-house.

Posted by: Jeff | Sep 6 2022 18:13 utc | 79

You’re not familiar with Russia or the Russians and their sensibility. A country where everybody has a close or not so close relative killed by the real and original fascists to be called fascist by someone from one of the many European countries.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 15:29 utc | 55

Seriously??? I live with one and am regularly reminded of her family's losses to:
a) the Bolsheviks
b) the Nazis
c) Stalin's gulags
d) the criminal gangs post Gorbachev.

During WW2 and after, Russia was just as much a fascist state as the others, like Germany, Italy and Spain. Sanctions and the war effort are forcing Russia to adopt similar practices now.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 6 2022 18:22 utc | 80

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2022 12:17 utc | 9:

What is the US goal in Ukraine? They really don't have one.

To have Russia kill as many Ukrainians and later Europeans as possible. That way Russia looks bad in world's eyes. The same strategy for Taiwan, making China look bad. You'll understand this better if you ask the question: what do they have to lose???

Answer: nothing. So why not?

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 6 2022 19:02 utc | 81

Take good care of your mate since it is not short of a miracle that she made it to this world after her family suffered whites, reds, browns and blues.

This looks like fascism to me:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/14i/bidenspeech-s.jpg

Best wishes hoping that you do not add to the color list that one.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 6 2022 19:20 utc | 82

Exactly. You can't ask for more massive, relentless, motivated protests than the Gilets Jaunes, people in the thousands to millions, dozens of cities at a time, every weekend for two years, all amounting to nothing. In the 50s-70s protests of this scale would have toppled governments and brought about reforms. That's all over in the neo-liberal environment....

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2022 15:41 utc | 59

Demonstrators and protestors command nothing, they can only complain or plead. This posture establishes their lack of agency and their government's power, power which they demonstrably do not have milling around in the street.

Non-compliance is something else.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 19:40 utc | 83

Permanent Representative of Russia to the United Nations says reports of Russia buying shells from North Korea is the latest American fake.

t.me/asbmil

I'm afraid Yenwoda will have to go elsewhere for his ammunition.

Posted by: Leuk | Sep 6 2022 19:52 utc | 84

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 6 2022 12:40 utc | 18
"According to Bloomberg Europe has reserved $375 Billion in heating bill relief. UK’s Truss has set aside £130 billion."

That seems likely, especially for UK. I had hypothesised before hearing it that Truss would have to pull a very large rabbit from the proverbial hat to avoid being labelled "the PM who killed Christmas" and to secure a lead over Starmer heading for a possible snap election. Will the rabbit be big enough? Who knows, given the size of the energy bill and the tanking GB£.

Posted by: TPaine | Sep 6 2022 19:57 utc | 85

The first report from the liberated Kodema (Sept 6, 2022) ==> https://youtu.be/clUwZdIfeWM

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2022 20:00 utc | 86

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2022 15:41 utc | 59
@ Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 19:40 utc | 83

That's why I keep saying VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.

I've been guessing, when saying that. But, every attempt at "democracy" in Oceania has been rendered ineffectual. Time to go.

Still working with kids? Send your college-bound kids to study abroad where they might obtain another passport. Retired? Look on residencies.io for another home.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 6 2022 20:57 utc | 87

I have opposed my government since 1979, and completely condemned what happened in Yugoslavia with the help of MI6 CIA and Al Qaida. But to me the most important thing to understand about this war in Ukraine is that like Virgin boss escaping to the British Virgin Islands, the British 1% foresee a post-nuclear confrontation with Russia spent in idle luxury in New Zealand. Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted today that he was too busy to engage with politics any more. He clearly needs time to plan his Armaggedon.

The outcome of this proxy war against Russia will hasten the planned takeover of Britain by the South Asian Muslim community, which will be bloody, but very good for Britain.

European politicians have a plan B which in reality has been their plan B ever since the invention of nuclear weapons. But tge plan B was originally envisaged as an escape from """" Fascist Russia """", and has now been modified to being an escape route from their very own proxy fascist Islamic State, and their new proxy fascist Azov ideology in Ukraine.


Posted by: Giyane | Sep 6 2022 21:01 utc | 88

Tweet about the contours of UA conflict information space:

Really interesting study about how influential bots are in driving conversations related to the Russia-Ukraine conflict. More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian. Wonder who's running and financing the bot activity.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.07038.pdf

ref: https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1566891232403591169

The articles abstract says "Pro-Russian non-bot accounts are most influential overall".

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2022 21:11 utc | 89

. Retired? Look on residencies.io for another home.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 6 2022 20:57 utc | 87

Did it. 5 years and counting...

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 21:13 utc | 90

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 6 2022 13:29 utc | 30

How Russian cant be intereseted in taking new territorys?
New territorys MUST BE THE ONLY GOAL!
Why?

1) Keep Nato away from its borders
2) Keep Ukronazis away from Russian people

1.1)
Otherwise how do the Russians want to keep away NATO and NATO equipment from its Borders???
Only with new territorys under Russian control they re able to set up a buffer zone.
As more territory Russians controlling in Ukraine as less danger from NATO.


2.1)
Russia's stated goals are demilitarization and denazification of the Ukraine.
This so called goals are strategic wrong and ineffective
From history we ve learned that Nazi ideology needs LEBENSRAUM.
Lebensraum is TERRITORY.
demilitarization and denazification will not solve any problem because the ukronazis and Natonazis will always find a way to rearm and start a new wave of nazification in Ukraine Reich.
But therefore the ukronazis need territory respectivly Lebensraum.
Take them away the territory and you pull the carpet from under ukronazis feet and provide support, for the russian loyal forces in Ukraine.

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 22:00 utc | 92

Posted by: Buddy the Cat | Sep 6 2022 13:37 utc | 32

Yes i am worried about the current development of the SMO. Its a normal reaction to complain if u see that something is going wrong. If I see my daugthers development is going the wrong direction i would complain every day because its worrying me.
What situation i must see as a whole?
What whole?
The soldiers, the fighters, the civilians want to see RESULTS NOW AND NOT IN FEW YEARS AS A WHOLE.
There is NO WHOLE and will not be a WHOLE.

We live in the now
Not tomorrow, not yesterday, just today
Not soon, not last
We are happy people today
Because plain and simple, you're still alive today
Tomorrow is not given to us
Tomorrow is not promised to us
All we can do is just hope
Here and now, that's what counts
And today the russian leaders MUST chose this path for Russia and its people its fighters

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 6 2022 22:17 utc | 93

For: Chessmaster
Isn't slow and steady winning the race? The "situation" was in preparation since 2014, and other sources say since before I WW (ria.ru - citing Lenin, voices about Russia than). Maybe the rollers of the war will grind long, slow, and painful - until NATO delenda est.

Posted by: LogosApplied | Sep 7 2022 1:06 utc | 94

Dizzy Ms Lizzy phones the Kiev Chicken first before phoning any other foreign leader, including Creepy Uncle Joe.

Liz Truss breaks from tradition in first phone call as PM with Biden dropping down order list

The linked newspaper article does say that Truss had stated that she would call Zelensky first before phoning any other foreign leader if she became PM. Of course there is nothing to indicate whether this was Truss's own initiative or something her supporters / puppet masters (who may or may not include Boris Johnson himself) told her she had to do, once she became PM.

One wonders what sort of master / slave relationship exists between Britain and Ukraine, who exactly is pulling the strings of the other, and if Ukraine is more cunning (if still deluded and stupid - just not as stupid as the West) than we barflies give it credit for.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 7 2022 1:13 utc | 95

For: Chessmaster
Remember: The Mills of the Gods Grind Slowly, but They Grind Exceedingly Fine.

Posted by: Senelis | Sep 7 2022 1:20 utc | 96

JUST IN - Traditional German shoe retailer Görtz is insolvent. The company was founded in 1875 and operated 160 stores in 90 cities.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 7 2022 1:27 utc | 97

Jen | Sep 7 2022 1:13 utc | 95

The Brits have had a huge amount of influence in Ukraine. Although cookie Nuland and the Biden father son team are more public, the brits I think have run the most part of the influence operations.
b tends to think bojo and whoever go there on US orders but I do not believe that is correct. It is a very competitive operation between the brits and the Yanks and the Brits are determined and I think now desperate to keep US focused on Ukraine and Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 7 2022 1:31 utc | 98

Russia's days in Kherson are numbered. It turned out to be 'a bridge too far.' All the bridges have been destroyed and can't be rebuilt. Ferry service is sketchy and vulnerable, and so Russian forces lack proper logistical connections. Gasoline, water, food, ammunition, repair parts, they are absent and military forces can't function. They will die as a force.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 7 2022 2:39 utc | 99

Now that Kerson is history for the Russians, I don't think so. If there are problems with replenishment, there is still a fleet of Mi 26s, the largest cargo helicopters in the world.
But there is also a bomber fleet, and should UKI not only hide in schools and hospitals, these are good targets, on the east and west banks !!!
But I don't want to argue, but presenting your opinion here as so safe is selfish and wrong! Russia... has / would have reserves, but in any case a strategy that WE can only guess... and that's good because not only do we know little or nothing!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 7 2022 3:58 utc | 100

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