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September 4, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-145
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. Note: Stick to the topic or get banned. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of September 4, 2022 Posted by: Summary | Sep 4 2022 13:06 utc | 1 During the preparation by the Kiev regime and its Western sponsors of the operation to seize the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant on September 1 of this year, specially selected and trained “media representatives” from Ukraine, the United States and Great Britain had to inform the world community in the presence of the IAEA mission about the station’s transfer to Kiev’s control. Posted by: RuMoDsaid | Sep 4 2022 13:23 utc | 2 Legitimate question. Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Sep 4 2022 13:36 utc | 3 Thanks MOA; i look to you and Colonel Marcus Reisner to find out what is actually happening in Ukraine. Keep up the good work. Posted by: seenitbefore | Sep 4 2022 13:44 utc | 4 @JustAnotherAussie Posted by: Mary | Sep 4 2022 13:48 utc | 5 @ JustAnotherAussie – I listen to Alexander Mercouris and FWIW he has said there is not much coming from the Ukraine side about that. One thing I notice that is missing is the tally of Russian losses. There has to be some. Posted by: chunga | Sep 4 2022 13:48 utc | 6 From the above comments. Posted by: Jpc | Sep 4 2022 14:02 utc | 7 Strelkov: Posted by: NightTripper | Sep 4 2022 14:03 utc | 8 A lot of what Ukraine says is later debunked. But in this case the military seems to want to distance itself from Ellensky’s folly. Russian losses were put at around 500 vs 2 to3k Ukrain. Neither of these figures is confirmed.Although the overflowing hospitals close to the area of engagement would make the Ukraine casualties plausible. As things occur closer to central and west Ukraine,I imagine Kiev will have a much harder time with the spin. Posted by: Bob | Sep 4 2022 14:03 utc | 9 Uk Daily Mail: Posted by: NightTripper | Sep 4 2022 14:04 utc | 10 @Just another Aussie I am posting the following in it’s entirety…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 4 2022 14:22 utc | 12 Thank you for the replies everyone. And thanks for that link B. I just checked it out. No details just a running summary. Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Sep 4 2022 14:24 utc | 13 There are plenty of good objective sites on Telegram which are far more trustworthy than Mercouris. I strongly suggest before anyone elects to take that bloke at his word they spen d a little effort checking out that bloke’s history. Everyone has to have an earner and Mercouris appears to have elected himself Russia ‘expert’ as a way to put food on the table after he was struck off. That makes me wary as once or twice lately he appears to me to have moderated some of his POVs rather than risk a youtube de-monetisation. Same, same for Christoforou, the duran mob make no bones about their posts being an earner with all their merchandising etc, however when people do that it is only a matter of time before they find themselves having to make the same sort of compromises corporate media make, just to stay in the black. Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 4 2022 14:25 utc | 14 ” There are plenty of good objective sites on Telegram which are far more trustworthy than Mercouris. I strongly suggest before anyone elects to take that bloke at his word they spen d a little effort checking out that bloke’s history. Everyone has to have an earner and Mercouris appears to have elected himself Russia ‘expert’ as a way to put food on the table after he was struck off. That makes me wary as once or twice lately he appears to me to have moderated some of his POVs rather than risk a youtube de-monetisation. Same, same for Christoforou, the duran mob make no bones about their posts being an earner with all their merchandising etc, however when people do that it is only a matter of time before they find themselves having to make the same sort of compromises corporate media make, just to stay in the black. ” Posted by: Gonzo | Sep 4 2022 14:38 utc | 15 Debsisdead (14): An interesting document by the Rand corp. Posted by: Question Mark | Sep 4 2022 14:39 utc | 17 To Debsisdead and his number 14 post. Posted by: JustAMaverick | Sep 4 2022 14:41 utc | 18 Posted by: RuMoDsaid | Sep 4 2022 13:23 utc | 2 Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 4 2022 14:44 utc | 19 I saw on the British broadcasting clowns website yesterday a 2 line report on Russian claims of an attempted capture by UAF of the ZNPP, right above the article was an article about how to clean your arsehole with wax paper and then recycle the wax paper to make a candle and so save money this winter and stick it to Russia. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 4 2022 14:52 utc | 20 Posted by: Question Mark | Sep 4 2022 14:39 utc | 16 Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 4 2022 14:53 utc | 21
Why stop there? Some cultures use dried cow chips as fuel. Presumably the same could be done with human waste. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 4 2022 14:57 utc | 22 Thank you b, Posted by: Joe Dont Surg | Sep 4 2022 15:05 utc | 23 Duran is a little right wing cult. I listened for about 4 months non stop. Then had to stop as the grift was becoming too damn obvious and unbearable. Other than Martyanov, most of their guests are “pay me daddy” right wing chislers and crypto birchers. Are you in the cult? People in cults seem to be unable to see they are in cults. Posted by: Wester | Sep 4 2022 15:06 utc | 24 Re: Debsisdead | Sep 4 2022 14:25 utc | 14 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 4 2022 15:10 utc | 25 Indeed, the usual DebsIsDead ad hominem. Posted by: c1ue | Sep 4 2022 15:12 utc | 26 I discouvered Mercouris on here have been listening regularly lately. I think he’s doing a good job. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Sep 4 2022 15:16 utc | 27 I am new to Telegram and find it very difficult to use without a cell phone. I did finally establish an account using my wife’s android cell phone. One thing that has me confounded is setting “auto-translate” specifically for the Rybar channel on my desktop PC. It just does not work. Posted by: chunga | Sep 4 2022 15:17 utc | 28 “i found mercouris reports highy accurate” Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 15:18 utc | 29 Channels like The Duran offer summary information,that would otherwise require many hours of searching and filtering. Concise and not afraid to admit errors,it’s a worthwhile service. I think some people don’t know the difference between a service and a grift. Posted by: Bob | Sep 4 2022 15:20 utc | 30 @Wester #24 Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 15:21 utc | 31
I don’t have an telegram account, but I view all the basics feeds in normal browser just adding /s/ before the user name, the downside is you can’t view any video that are more then short clips, but oh well. Yes you’ll often need a translator plugin, I find Brave browser with google translate plugin works well for me to view telegram feeds without problems. Give it a try if interested. Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 15:32 utc | 32 @ Brother Ma 21 Posted by: Question Mark | Sep 4 2022 15:40 utc | 33 “most of their guests are “pay me daddy” right wing chislers and crypto birchers. Are you in the cult?” Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 4 2022 15:42 utc | 34 I’ll try that knighthawk. Thanks. Another source I check is Brian who runs “New Atlas” on youtube. He did a thing the other day on a 2019 Rand Corp. paper that was pretty much a must see. Posted by: chunga | Sep 4 2022 15:43 utc | 35 HB_Norica @ 34 Posted by: circumspect | Sep 4 2022 16:01 utc | 36 I’ll throw my hat into the rink on Alexander Mercouris. His podcasts are mostly summaries of a lot of information from various sources, and he states them as such. A lot of time he has spent more time looking at various sources than I have. When he gives his personal opinion of what is going on, which half the time is wrong, he is open about it. I still appreciate his opinions as it gives one something to think about. Whatever his past was, he is currently giving good service to his viewers. Overall, I give him two thumbs up! 🙂 Posted by: Douglas Houck | Sep 4 2022 16:04 utc | 37 The rising energy costs mean that, if you are a good capitalist, you lay off the staff now and shut down the business, possibly in a mothballed form. Otherwise you will go broke, if not this month, or next month, but maybe the month after that. Posted by: P J | Sep 4 2022 16:04 utc | 38 @Debsisdead | Sep 4 2022 14:25 utc | 14 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2022 16:05 utc | 39 @chunga 35 – Yeah I saw that from Brian at The New Atlas, as well as his one yesterday on the Kherson offensive overall, agree his content is usually worth the time. Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 16:07 utc | 40 If meat-grinder of Ukrainian forces by Russia is what we have, then I have no doubt whatsoever that that is what Biden and Johnson intended and planned for us to have. I don’t really believe in finger-in-mouth , butter-wouldn’t-melt, politicians saying , ‘ oh we never thought that was going to happen if we spentc20 years arming Ukraine against Russia. Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2022 16:11 utc | 41 This Ritter-Lira-Mercouris-whomever discussion is a waste of time, I’ll chip in my dime, all sources are fine and up to a critical mind to sift through them. I follow mostly Russian tg channels, if Mercouris has anything hard to digest that is the length of his clips, too much time, but I enjoy his accent and lexical abilities, good to polish a bit my poor English. Once in a while he is fine but a constant following takes a lot of precious time. Posted by: Paco | Sep 4 2022 16:16 utc | 42 @ Perimetr | Sep 4 2022 15:10 utc | 25 Posted by: james | Sep 4 2022 16:17 utc | 43 i wonder how many consider this?? it looks like even some of the regulars haven’t! Posted by: james | Sep 4 2022 16:19 utc | 44 Brother Ma | Sep 4 2022 14:53 utc | 21 Posted by: donten | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 45 I’m going to respectfully disagree. The west expected Russia to fold under the sanctions onslaughtThis failed,well more like boomeranged… However being idealogues with no reverse gear they had no way out,only to keep doubling down. At this point even after Russia claims Ukraine,for most of the west there is no way back. Hungary has signed a long term deal with Gazprom. This shows the fundamental difference in a leader who see’s ‘his people’ and someone like Beerbong,who sees the Germans as an ATM for her ideolgy. Posted by: Bob | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 46 PJ@38 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 47 Michael Roberts Has an excellent analysis of the latest round of sanctions proposed against Russia: the Oil Price Cap. He sums up the current and rapidly worsening socio-economic situation in Europe and the UK in particular. Posted by: bevin | Sep 4 2022 16:34 utc | 48 @ Bob | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 47 Posted by: james | Sep 4 2022 16:34 utc | 49 A lot of history to research and learn about the Ukraine. It seems that descendants of the Khazars want that territory back by any means necessary. See John Stewart. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 4 2022 16:38 utc | 50 Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 4 2022 14:25 utc | 14 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 4 2022 16:41 utc | 51 Really interesting post on Wagner-affiliated “GREY ZONE” telegram: Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 4 2022 16:44 utc | 52 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 48 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 4 2022 16:45 utc | 53 “So, does this mean the Russians HAVEN’T cut off gas to Germany and it was just a troll?” Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 16:46 utc | 54 For: Night Tripper Posted by: LogosApplied | Sep 4 2022 16:54 utc | 55 @ JustAnotherAussie Posted by: ltexpat | Sep 4 2022 17:02 utc | 56 Speaking of the Duran, I propose a drinking game: Drink a shot of liquor each time Alex M. says “I just have to say”. 😉 Posted by: dfg | Sep 4 2022 17:06 utc | 57 @Paul Greenwood | Sep 4 2022 16:45 utc | 53 Posted by: James Cook | Sep 4 2022 17:08 utc | 58 circumspect re: post 36 ‘uneasy rider’ Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 4 2022 17:26 utc | 59 Posted by: Question Mark | Sep 4 2022 15:40 utc | 33 Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 4 2022 17:28 utc | 60 Posted by: Wester | Sep 4 2022 15:06 utc | 24 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 4 2022 17:33 utc | 61 Mother Russia already has floored one beautiful church with armor repurposed from tanks and artillery of The Third Reich. Now they have enough tanks and artillery of The Fourth Reich to floor another beautiful church. I am all for Mother Russia building churches for her children using materials hard-won from those who insult Her. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 4 2022 17:34 utc | 62 Posted by: donten | Sep 4 2022 16:30 utc | 45 Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 4 2022 17:40 utc | 63
You did. You were lying then. You are lying now. Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 4 2022 17:41 utc | 64 LogosApplied | Sep 4 2022 16:54 utc | 55 Posted by: Hereward | Sep 4 2022 17:50 utc | 65 The New Atlas has an excellent take on BTG vs NATO(Ukranian) Brigades. Once Ukraine was restricted to a narrow front it was over. Posted by: Bob | Sep 4 2022 17:55 utc | 66 MK Bhadrakumar’s column discussed a dire future for the Zelensky regime: Face up to reality or having to face this same reality later when the West isin a still poorer position to negotiate a more face-saving agreement. He cited the views of a Bush-era general, Mark Kimmitt. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 4 2022 17:58 utc | 67 Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 4 2022 16:44 utc | 52 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 4 2022 17:59 utc | 68 Moderately familiar with rotating capital equipment (30 years manufacturing 😳) Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2022 17:59 utc | 69 Brother Ma @ 63 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2022 18:00 utc | 70 leaked report on the state of the UK-trained Ukrainians Posted by: @vec | Sep 4 2022 18:00 utc | 71 #RuMoDsaid 2 Posted by: Orchard1 | Sep 4 2022 18:01 utc | 72 Yenwoda | Sep 4 2022 16:44 utc | 52
Posted by: Clausewitz | Sep 4 2022 18:04 utc | 73 Sorry, BIF should read BIG in my post #67. The bad habit of not editing before posting. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 4 2022 18:14 utc | 74 “I am new to Telegram and find it very difficult to use without a cell phone. I did finally establish an account using my wife’s android cell phone. One thing that has me confounded is setting “auto-translate” specifically for the Rybar channel on my desktop PC. It just does not work.” Posted by: Craig | Sep 4 2022 18:15 utc | 75 Clausewitz @73 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 4 2022 18:17 utc | 76 Posted by: Hereward | Sep 4 2022 17:50 utc | 65 Posted by: John Henry Mackay | Sep 4 2022 18:21 utc | 77
That sums up your credibility problem.
Project much?
Denying an event or action that took place isn’t a “reasoned judgement”; it’s lying. Those who repeat their lies are liars. Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 4 2022 18:24 utc | 78 Hard to believe nobody reposted KimDotCom’s thread from Twitter yet. I did not know he was German. Glad to see another voice out there calling out how the ‘powers that be’ (Deep State) in the U.S. that detest (and have always detested) the resilience of the German state, and by association, the public welfare of all Germans.
I agree with everything but one of the last statements: “It’s not too late for Germany to turn this around”. Nice, fluffy-goodness thoughts, but no amount of determined heroics can make a moving aircraft carrier do a 180° turn on a dime. Firing the old captain and replacing them – no matter how many times – is not going to magically solve the problem. I have no need of the Oracle of Delphi – I reach my own conclusions. It gets tedious reading hare-brained polemics from trainee trolls targeting others.
Not helpful. You still have to provide a cell phone number to get the security token to activate the Telegram desktop app. I am not doing that to provide too much information to an ex-pat Russian living in Qatar. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 4 2022 18:28 utc | 81 headlines Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 4 2022 18:35 utc | 82 Igor Strelkov seems to have changed his attitude on the Kherson battle. Until today he had been confidently forecasting a Russian defensive victory. But his latest Telegram comments do not bode favorably for Russia. At least that’s my reading of his most recent statements. Posted by: GW | Sep 4 2022 18:37 utc | 83 To those dissing the two Alexs. Why do u watch their channel if you disagree with them? Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 4 2022 18:42 utc | 84 @Craig – I’ve done that and installed the latest version on a Win10 desktop. There is supposed to be an option, that one has to enable, in “settings”, “Language”, that allows me to check a box for “auto-translate” and it’s just not there. (First, I have to get a passcode using the cell phone, then key it in on the desktop) It’s a pain in the ass. Posted by: chunga | Sep 4 2022 18:44 utc | 85 If you don’t want to give telegram your real phone # get a free one from google voice or textnow and use that to sign up Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 4 2022 18:52 utc | 86 Oriental Voice @ 67 Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 4 2022 18:54 utc | 87
There is only 1 still in operation shortly after re-pressurizing after the yearly early august maintenance (not to be confused with this one). There is a second one (used initially to help re-pressurize after that window), but it was taken offline as it’s ~25k hour operation timeline without maintenance was reached and GP shut it down to say with-in terms of warranty and maintenance contract with Siemens. While arguably technically operable, for contract and safety reasons it’s not, till it gets it’s due maintenance. Which of course can’t be carried out due to sanctions mess, and playing risky games with this type of equipment is not in anyone’s interest. Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 18:58 utc | 88 Roger | Sep 4 2022 18:25 utc | 322 Posted by: marc | Sep 4 2022 19:03 utc | 89 Posted by: GW | Sep 4 2022 18:37 utc | 83 Posted by: NightTripper | Sep 4 2022 19:07 utc | 90 I don’t totally disbelieve the Russian account with the turbines.I do however regocnise the massive propaganda vivtory that would come with the opening of NS2. Pressure to do so will increase as the reserve dwindles. I blame Germany for not having the expertise on hand to maintain the thing locally. Posted by: Bob | Sep 4 2022 19:07 utc | 91 chunga | Sep 4 2022 18:44 utc | 85 Posted by: crone | Sep 4 2022 19:08 utc | 92 NS2 is sitting there waiting to delivery beaucoup cheap NG. Most interesting iddn‘t ? Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 19:11 utc | 93 Lets end the OT telegram topic and ask commenters that want to provide links to Telegram not to do so….at this time because not all on it and lots of roadblocks. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 4 2022 19:17 utc | 94 “Well, my cell is an Apple… Apple will not permit a T’gram app!” Posted by: chunga | Sep 4 2022 19:17 utc | 95 @HERMIUS | Sep 4 2022 18:42 utc | 84
The two Alexes are honest, intelligent analysts that connect a lot of factual dots. That is not popular among certain people, so therefore the dissing. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2022 19:19 utc | 96 Ukronazis have taken over Vysokopolye and captured more than 50 Russian respectivly LDNPR soldiers. Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 4 2022 19:20 utc | 97 Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 4 2022 18:25 utc | 79 Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 4 2022 19:29 utc | 98 @knighthawk #94, interesting… used to be able to do that, guess they cracked down. I wonder how they can tell. Sorry for suggesting something that didn’t work! Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 4 2022 19:30 utc | 99 @ my 82 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 4 2022 19:31 utc | 100 |
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