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September 16, 2022
Ukraine – Dissecting Some War Propaganda News Items

Last night a Reuters headline claimed:

Mass grave of more than 440 bodies found in Izium, Ukraine -police


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Many media, who republish the Reuters feed, repeated that headline:

Kyiv: Ukrainian authorities have found a mass grave of more than 440 bodies in the eastern city of Izium that was recaptured from Russian forces, a regional police official said on Thursday, adding some of the people had been killed by shelling and air strikes.

Serhiy Bolvinov, the chief police investigator for Kharkiv region, told Sky News that forensic investigations would be carried out on every body.

"I can say it is one of the largest burial sites in a big town in liberated (areas)… 440 bodies were buried in one place," Bolvinov said.

"Some died because of artillery fire … some died because of air strikes," he said. Thousands of Russian troops fled Izium at the weekend.

Notice the wording. It is a 'large burial site' with '440 bodies in one place'. That does not have to mean a mass grave with 440 bodies but could also describe a graveyard with a total of 440 people buried there.

And indeed an AP video team visited the site and their video shows quite a different scenario (h/t Tore). In a wooded area there are a large numbers, maybe one hundred or two, of single graves with orthodox and other crosses. There is also one grave that has a cross which says that 17 soldiers were buried there.


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In the AP video several soldiers and investigators are moving around. One Ukrainian soldier says he saw a video that the Russians made when the soldiers were buried in that one mass grave. From it, he says, he estimates that more than 17, maybe 25 or 30, he says, were buried in that grave.

The video he refers to is likely this one (h/t Elena Evdokimova) which was published on May 8. It seems to show the same graveyard with that one mass grave. One sees civilians with red cross armlets collecting and burying bodies of dead soldiers. I count a total of 17 dead bodies but there may be one or two more. One Russia soldier is around and explains what is happening. The title in Russian translates to:

Ukraine refuses to take away the bodies of dead soldiers. Russian military bury them in mass graves


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There is also a link to a Russian news site called Giport or Hyport which says (machine translated):

Ukraine refuses to take the bodies of the dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russian military is forced to bury them in mass graves

Ukraine again refuses to take away the bodies of its dead soldiers, who have to be buried in mass graves. The Russian side several times offered the enemy to take the bodies for burial by organizing a corridor for medical workers, but did not receive a response from the Ukrainian command.

Some time ago, the bodies of dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were collected by Russian soldiers on their own and transported to the morgue under mortar shelling from Ukraine. As a result, Ukraine did not take them from the morgue either. Today, Russian servicemen had to bury the dead soldiers in mass graves.

According to one of the soldiers involved in the burial, the bodies of the killed soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were taken from the front line a week ago. He said that negotiations with the current government of Ukraine were unsuccessful. The Ukrainian side simply refused to take the bodies, so the Russian Armed Forces buried the dead on their own in one of the city cemeteries.

If the current Ukrainian authorities took the bodies of their fighters, their relatives could say goodbye to them in a human way. And now they were buried in plastic bags in mass graves. But this is better than becoming food for the beast, as it would happen if it were not for the Russian military. At least the relatives will at least have a chance to find the dead by going through the procedure of taking DNA.

This is not the first such story. Back in March, we wrote that Ukraine refuses to make contact and take the bodies of dead servicemen from the territories of the LPR and DPR. As a result, all of them were also buried in mass graves. Some had nameplates, other soldiers remained unidentified.

The Reuters headline was 100% false. That may have been because the editor misinterpreted what the Ukrainian police investigator said. Or it intentionally exaggerated the case to increase the propaganda value of that news item. I suspect the latter to be the case.

There is otherwise nothing unusual with that graveyard. During a war people on both sides die. Civilians suffer as much as soldiers while fighting around them is going on. The city had been heavily defended by the Ukrainians and it took the Russian military the whole of March to take it. A lot of the buried casualties were likely killed by artillery fire. There is no way to tell from which side that fire had came.

That the graveyard is in the woods and not in some open place also makes sense. With camera drones around and being in reach of hostile artillery one would not want to be caught while shuffling graves in open fields. The trees give at least some protection from being seen from above.

A different obvious propaganda fake was published in today's Washington Post:

The letters left behind by demoralized Russian soldiers as they fled

The 10 handwritten letters, dated Aug. 30, were left behind in a two-story residential house where Russians were squatting and later found by Ukrainian soldiers who provided the letters to The Washington Post for review. They paint a portrait of dejected troops desperate for rest and concerned about their health and morale after months of fighting.

The similar style in which the 10 letters were written suggests the troops, weary and disheartened, banded together to draft them. The letters caught the attention of Ukrainian soldiers when they first arrived in Izyum, which the Russians abandoned hastily in retreat, and some were shared on social media.

The authenticity of the letters has not been confirmed by independent forensic experts …

One can tell right away that the story makes little sense. The Russian security forces that were in Izium after the initial fighting were from the Rosguardia (Rosgvardiya), the National Guard of Russia which is more like a border police force with some additional tasks. There was little fighting in Izium after the end of March. The guards station there were regularly supplied. In that context they had no reason to feel like "dejected troops desperate for rest and concerned about their health and morale".

The Rosguardia were evacuated without losses by Russian military forces before the Ukrainians surrounded and recaptured the city.

That the ten letters were written in 'similar style' makes it likely that they were written by the same team of Ukrainian intelligence that uses the Washington Post and other media to spread their lies to the public. They intend to portray the Russian military as an exhausted and morally broken force. Neither seems to be the case.

While I wrote the above Reuters published a new piece that changes its earlier reporting but does not correct it:

Around 200 wooden crosses seen at site near Ukraine's Izium


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It in fact repeats the earlier false claims that the AP report had debunked:

IZIUM, Ukraine (Reuters) – Around 200 wooden crosses were found on Friday at a site near Izium in northeastern Ukraine, Reuters witnesses said, possibly marking a second mass grave in an area recaptured in recent days by Ukrainian forces.

Men in white overalls have begun exhuming bodies at the site, located on the edge of a cemetry in the northwest of Izium, the witnesses said. Some 20 white body bags were visible.

Ukrainian authorities earlier reported the discovery of a mass grave containing around 440 bodies in the city of Izium, a frontline Russian stronghold until Ukraine's counter-offensive across the Kharkiv region during the past week.

It is not the 'fog of war' that clouds such new reporting. It is the propaganda that was ordered up to incite the 'western' population against Russia and its citizens and soldiers.

Without further backup and and proof one can not, and should not, believe any news item coming from the Ukrainian and other wars.

Comments

@Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2022 16:21 utc | 97
That pipeline runs awfully close to the partially completed Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline, that is completed up to the Pakistan border (the US pressured Pakistan to stop the pipeline). With Iran connecting pipelines to Russia, a fully integrated Russia/Iran/Pakistan gas corridor could be produced.
Will be interesting to see if Pakistan will ignore the Iranian sanctions as well s the Russian sanctions.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 16 2022 16:40 utc | 101

There is a saying “Is it true or did you hear it on the BBC”. A more modern reworking is “Is it true or did you hear it from Ukraine”

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Sep 16 2022 16:46 utc | 102

The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant operation failed miserably so now another red flag goes up with the mass grave story to be blamed on Russia, of coarse. Why? Ukraine desperately wants US made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles designed to strike targets at a distance up to 300km. Russia Foreign minister issues chilling warning. Go to https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1829920/?lang=en

Posted by: wt baker | Sep 16 2022 16:50 utc | 103

Interesting times.
Country 404 fake propaganda continues unabated since day one of “SMO’!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 16 2022 16:52 utc | 104

Kopiansk, September 14, two civilians were shot in the head for collaborating with Russian Forces.
GRAPHIC:
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/24662

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Sep 16 2022 16:57 utc | 105

What bevin@94 posted, I warned of as soon as the IAEA inspectors arrived at the plant. Expect NO truth from these bodies. They are controlled by the US and the UK.

Posted by: Vragtes | Sep 16 2022 17:02 utc | 106

What i found more surprising, was seeing Martyano’v pal Larry Johnson also promoting the fake RAND report. – Et Tu | Sep 16 2022 13:09 utc | 10
The snag about the Rand report is, that the US and its German and European vassals act in line with its script. The report may be fake insofar as the attribution to the author’s affiliation is false. However, the content is true. – Posted by: OttoE | Sep 16 2022 14:43 utc | 44

What some of said at the start of the conflict is that Russia and the US together are destroying Germany for the 3rd time in just over 100 years. Sad that German politicos are seemingly unaware that the US is not their ally.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 16 2022 17:10 utc | 107

ThrowsOfWar | Sep 16 2022 14:39 utc | 43
“The Economist, which I usually like” is the house organ of the UK branch of the GAE – Global American Empire.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 16 2022 17:14 utc | 108

Press conference on the results of the visit to Uzbekistan, Putin. Video and partial transcript:
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69366

Posted by: Paco | Sep 16 2022 17:16 utc | 109

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 16 2022 13:18 utc | 14
“….God save our King.
As a former British subject… I remember when she (Elizabeth II) was crowned in Westminster Abby… As I grew older we stood up whenever in a public theater or movies back in the old country whenever “god save the Queen” were played. As the years rolled on… I refused to stand up I dun give a shit any more…. BTW Eoin please take your loyalty shits elsewhere… the Anglo-Saxons are evils and some day UK must pay for their crimes against not only the Chinese people but also the many Blacks, Moslems, Arabs and….
Had Xinjiang, Tibet or any China’s Western provinces colonized by the freaking shits… than you’ll see real genocides… but today these Western provinces are China promised lands.. especially Mount Qomolangma… will provide much of China cotton, tomatoes, grapes, wheats, corns and more… Yarlung Tsangpo, China has plans to build the world’s biggest hydroelectric dam much bigger than the present three Gorges dam..
Hey kids go read up history… and learn what your previous generations did…. especially to the Chinese people…
I hope to lived long enuf to see China revoke Cathay Pacific landing right in HK and also HSBC banking licenses too… these are UK colonial opium traders… not forgetting Stanford University the Americunts counterpart..

Posted by: JC | Sep 16 2022 17:18 utc | 110

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Sorry to offend you with my wit, or was it my sarcasm? Having suffered for many centuries under Anglo-Saxon imperialism, my country is now suffering from US Anglo-Saxon imperialism. Irish people think the brits bad, yankees great. Tis a difficult country to live in. Tis a difficult world to live in. One needs a good sense of humour these dark dark days. Take care my friend 110.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 16 2022 17:28 utc | 111

Propaganda starts at the top. This lady, who gets her underlings to do the washing up instead of using a dishwasher, knows something about it. Now every time I see a flying supersonic refrigerator I will duck, as they might have been recycled by the Russians.
https://twitter.com/silberschmelzer/status/1570632263934840837
She is of course, the person who going to be Empress of all the Europeans.
(VDL; Very Dumb Lady)

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 16 2022 17:30 utc | 112

When I was 15, We had to do 2 different exams..with different syllabuses GCE “O” level and the new CSE…
Whilst I was mainly interested in Physics, Chemistry, Maths and Geography, we also had to read a lot of books, for our English Language and English Literature exams. The school and also my Mum, used to take us to see plays, based on the contents – like Macbeth.
I loved the History of Mr Polly, Ring of Bright Water, and Animal Farm. I didn’t do 1984, until about 1984, but didn’t take it seriously. It was not an instruction manual, it was just an old book.
Macbeth is now normal, We are well beyond 1984, and now doing Animal Farm for Real.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Beam Me Up Scotty. We are not doing too well.
Still, we have a new Grandchild to be born soon, so we have got to clear this mess up for her.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 16 2022 17:35 utc | 113

Zelensky and Shimon Elliott are two proxy imposters. If Trump says BoogieWoogie was cornered and killed , I have to assume the opposite us the case. When PianoPenis is said to have been cornered and killed, I shall also believe the opposite is the case.
Scriptwriters from Hollywood create the headlines of war for apparently Jewish actors to spout. Until one has identified the culprit, and that it is not the actor, nor the person writing the script , but rather the highly respectable wanked out WEF , Gladio and Wolfovitz es of thus world, the sooner one can see that no amount of propaganda can affect Russia.
Russia is building an alternative world reality to the Straussiam horror movie, and that alternative world will replace the psyops world immediately we transfer our loyalties to it from the Zio- chainsaw massacre fantasy world of FUKUSISEU

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2022 17:38 utc | 114

@Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 16 2022 17:35 utc | 113
Add in the two minutes of hate (Russophobia) from 1984, and the rewriting of history (Stalin just as bad as Hitler, “victims of communism”, “Holodomor”) to support current narratives, and Big Brother (the surveillance state).

Posted by: Roger | Sep 16 2022 17:38 utc | 115

lol Reuters….
Dawn Scalici joined Thomson Reuters in July 2015 to serve as the company’s first Government Global Business Director. She is charged with the responsibility of advancing Thomson Reuters’ ability to meet the disparate needs of the U.S. Government—working across the company’s major business lines and optimally leveraging its vast and unique data, products, and services. In this capacity she develops strategic relationships with government sector constituents and key decision-makers, develops campaigns to promote Thomson Reuters’ business growth, and works with the company’s senior executives to determine relevant strategic goals and plans.
Prior to joining Thomson Reuters, Ms. Scalici served 33 years with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In her last federal assignment, she served as the National Intelligence Manager for the Western Hemisphere within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). In this role, she was responsible for overseeing national intelligence for an area of responsibility spanning from the Arctic to the tip of South America, including the US Homeland.
Ms. Scalici serves on the Board of Directors for the Association for International Risk Intelligence Professionals and on the Board of Advisors of the Momentum Aviation Group (MAG). She also serves on the Intelligence Committee of the Arms Forces Communications and Electronics Association (AFCEA) and the Homeland Security Intelligence Council of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance (INSA).

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 16 2022 17:39 utc | 116

PP @ 4

Amazon has a device called Echo and a digital spy/assistant called Alexa. One of the features you can set up is a “daily briefing”. The state organ, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, produces a news package for it, so every morning you can be awakened with the latest propaganda disguised as news.

Reminds me of an Italian film from 1977, A Special Day by Ettore Scola with Sophia Loren and Marcello Mastroianni. Takes place in an apartment block in Rome during WW2. I note it because throughout the entire film there is the distant, constant background drone of the neighbor’s radio with the 24/7 reports announcing the daily fascist news, supposed victories, and propaganda. Nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2022 17:41 utc | 117

Franz beckenbauer no. 68
Yes a world recession is imminent. The IMF have been predicting this for months now. First domino to fall was Sri Lanka. Looks like Zambia is next:
“More than 100 economists and academics have urged international lenders to crisis-stricken Zambia to write off a significant slice of their loans during financial restructuring talks this month.
Zambia is seeking up to $8.4bn (£7.3bn) in debt relief from major lenders, including private funds run by the world’s largest investment manager, BlackRock, to help put its public finances back in order.
In the run-up to what are understood to be tense negotiations involving the Chinese, French and British governments, the anti-poverty charity Debt Justice said that only a major debt write-off could save the Zambian economy from complete collapse.”
(Guardian 16th sept)

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Sep 16 2022 17:48 utc | 118

114 afterthought
Some posters here are keen to paint Asians as being immune to the FUKUSISEU chainsaw massacre Hollywood fantasy, but here in Britain vast swathes of Muslims either work for CIA / MI6 / other security apparatuses OR totally subscribe to the Hollywood Islamic State is the real Islam fantasy.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2022 18:02 utc | 119

Those days may come back again in Italy. The probable next prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, head of the right-wing Fratelli d’Italia party, started her political career in the neofascist Movimento Sociale Italiano.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 16 2022 18:07 utc | 120

Phase 1 of the SMO was a success. Russia got Ukraine to seriously negotiate. The failure on Russia was not to understand the strategic objective of the “West”. It was sanctions. That was why Kamala went to Europe and welcomed Ukraine into NATO and why the nazis shelled the Donbas after the Normandy group agreement. The “West” needed the war to achieve their strategic objective, which was sanctions. Therefore it should not have been a surprise that the “West” interfered in the peace talks. They still expected sanctions to work.
Sanctions were the strategic objective because of Syria. The Russian economy would collapse, and as part of the deal to remove sanctions, Russia would make concessions in Syria. Sanctions failed spectacularly.
The “West” now has a new strategic objective: to prevent President Putin from declaring victory before the US November election. If that were to happen, then it would jeopardize the steal of the election as the Red Wave would be too large to overcome.
Therefore expect escalations and attacks. The “West” will keep this war hot until mid-late October, even into November.

Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:09 utc | 121

@Sushi 22. Empathy. More accurately the distinct lack thereof. Overall American actions display a +10 phsycopathic lack of empathy. At a hive level they just dont give a fuc. ALL of the NATOwest countries have this affliction.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 16 2022 18:12 utc | 122

Bernhard Hoftsman, currently in my view runs the best website on world events. I know absolutely nothing about him, except I think he is a few years older than me, and probably lives in Germany.
I have sent him 10 Euros twice before, via Paypal. It all went through no problem, so far as I am aware
I think it is fairly safe. You probably won’t get The Thought Police turning up at your door.
“Why have you sent this old German Man 10 Euros”
It’s going to get tough this winter particularly in Germany, cos the Germans have seriously p1ssed off the Russians..
Thierry Meyssan (He is French) (I have massive respect) explains why
“The EU brought to its knees by the Straussians”
Paris (France)
A US grouping, constituted around the thought of the philosopher Leo Strauss, controls from now on both the Secretariat of Defense and the Secretariat of State. After having organized many wars since those of Yugoslavia, they imagined the one in Ukraine. It is now manipulating the European Union and is preparing to deprive it of energy sources. If European leaders do not open their eyes, their alliance with Washington will lead to the collapse of the Union’s economy. There is no point in believing that Europeans will be spared because they are developed. The Straussians wrote, as early as 1992, that they would not hesitate to destroy Germany and the EU.
https://www.voltairenet.org/?lang=en
Send b some money, even if you live in the USA
We wouldn’t want him to freeze to death
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 16 2022 18:20 utc | 123

The problem people are sensing for Phase 2 is called Murphy’s law. It is understandable that Russia wanted to move slow to avoid civilian casualties. However by delaying the victory you open up the door to Murphy.
For example did the Russians really expect the “West” to recruit NATO military personnel by the thousands as contractors? When we think of veterans who enter PMCs, we think of older dudes. These men are actually in their twenties, fresh out of the military. However it takes time to recruit and organize. The result is you get multiple battalion strength units of NATO soliders (officially PMCs) who are already trained. Who have previously worked with military intel on targeting and can fire a HIMARs GPS rocket or an excalibur shell with muscle memory. The ones out of an Armor brigrade already know American blitzkrieg tactics. Everyone noticed that the Kharkov offensive was entirely different. This was Murphy. That capability took time to put together. And there are other “Murphy’s” out there.
I’m not worried about Kharkov, as Ukraine has severe logistics problems to overcome in order to mount a sustained offensive. However, Kharkov was an operation that supports the “West’s” strategic objective. It works to delay the Russian victory until after the November election and raised public support, again helping to keep the support going to Ukraine until after the November election.
I’m also aware that Kharkov and Kherson support Russia’s strategic objective: demilitarization. However you always have to keep an eye out for Murphy.

Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:21 utc | 124

Russia will win Ukraine will loose regardless of the bullshit propaganda.the only question is how will the west reconcile their differences with the Russian federation given all this anti Russian hate spewing from the west,when all this is over the west need’s Russia more than the Russians need the west

Posted by: Boywonder | Sep 16 2022 18:29 utc | 125

Therefore expect escalations and attacks. The “West” will keep this war hot until mid-late October, even into November.
Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:09 utc | 121
You mean mid-late October 2024 😳

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2022 18:36 utc | 126

Von der Leyen: “The Russian military is taking chips from dishwashers and refrigerators to fix their military hardware, because they ran out of semiconductors.”
Out of curiousity: How many refrigerators does it take to build an Su-57 airplane? Or are dishwashers better suited for airplanes, and refrigerators more suited for tanks? Please inform us.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 16 2022 18:39 utc | 127

“b” – thank you for going through it all so carefully. And for your previous work.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 16 2022 18:46 utc | 128

my laptop news feed had the story, cant remember the source but it was embellished with a supposed eyewitness that said he pulled women and kids from an apartment killed from (of course) russian shelling and buried them there. 17 soldiers was the side part of the article .

Posted by: hankster | Sep 16 2022 19:04 utc | 129

And the Ukrainian / CIA death squads are about to provide the bodies for those graves.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 16 2022 19:06 utc | 130

Posted by: Giyane ….
Great posts, almost always something interesting or something with which I strongly agree.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2022 19:17 utc | 131

“… It is the propaganda that was ordered up to incite the ‘western’ population against Russia and its citizens and soldiers”
Indeed. Despicable lies, hellish fabrications against Russia’s military behaviour in Ukraine, and complete poisonous indifference and cover up of nazi Ukraine’s abuses, murders, robberies of civilians and beastly mistreatment of military captives, now and ever.
Current propaganda is of course needed to appease local populations while they are being swindled of their livelihood for the sake of the survival of a new nazi regime. (who would tell us a generation ago that a fully-grown fascist state would soon be propped up and energised by a gang of former nazi and anti-nazi states, all now in ideological brotherhood!?)
But their propaganda answers to a longer-lasting agenda as well, which requires keeping the bulk of their populations in a constant state of hatred, uncertainty, dependency and submission to the transnational goal of launching a war against Russia as soon as they consider themselves well fitted out to that end.
(When regimes like the US/UK and Europe openly speak of winning in the field of battle – rather than by diplomacy – and of preparing themselves military to confront Russia, as soon as ready to do so, thinking people better take notice. Hitler’s fundamental aims at conquest in the East and dominance in the west had been publicly announced well before 1939; Certain individuals have already spoken publicly of the “need” for war with Russia in 2024, 2025; the crooked and venomous game is not only for a vassal Ukraine but a dismembered Russia.
It is not a matter of a condescending dismissal or a mocking smile. The west’s remaining capacity for worldwide evil should not be considered lightly.

Posted by: Sam | Sep 16 2022 19:36 utc | 132

Hey kids go read up history… and learn what your previous generations did…. especially to the Chinese people…
I hope to lived long enuf to see China revoke Cathay Pacific landing right in HK and also HSBC banking licenses too… these are UK colonial opium traders… not forgetting Stanford University the Americunts counterpart..

Posted by: JC | Sep 16 2022 17:18 utc | 110
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Sorry to offend you with my wit, or was it my sarcasm? Having suffered for many centuries under Anglo-Saxon imperialism, my country is now suffering from US Anglo-Saxon imperialism. Irish people think the brits bad, yankees great. Tis a difficult country to live in. Tis a difficult world to live in. One needs a good sense of humour these dark dark days. Take care my friend 110.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 16 2022 17:28 utc | 111
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
As to go reading up history, this recent article might shed a little more light. Politically incorrect but historically more or less accurate.
https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/jews-and-revolutions/
Quite a ways down the article are sections about England, Ireland and Scotland. The section about the latter reads:
“Scotland
Aside from attempts at a Communist revolution in Scotland, there is the most unusual fact of “Scottish Masonry” which seems to rear its head in the most unusual places, inevitably in connection with Jewish crimes. One such was the creation of the HSBC bank, somehow “created in Scotland” but entirely owned and managed by Jews. David Sassoon was the first Chairman of the Board, the bank created solely to launder the Jews’ drug money – a specialty it still proudly carries today. Another such is Jardine and Matheson, seemingly being ‘Scottish Jews’ and heavily involved in the opium trade which even the Jewish encyclopedias tell us was “entirely a Jewish business”.”

Wheels within wheels, gentlemen, wheels within wheels. I think each of you will find the slightly longer paragraphs about England and Ireland respectively of interest.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 20:06 utc | 133

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2022 18:02 utc | 119
Hi Giyane, I assume you are the same bloke who posts on Craig Murray’s blog.
Fuck Craig Murray (I think he is The Racist)
I would love to meet you
You write well
I have never had a problem in India, Turkey, or South London with people who believe your religion…
Everyone where we have travelled across the world, started when we were young hitch hiking, especially when we were young, were incredibly nice and welcoming to us
They invited us into their homes and fed us.
Living in England with my lovely wife, we have tried our best to reciprocate, when basically musicians from foreign countries turn up, to play in Central London..
Sure The Queen’s Funeral is doing our heads in
But the fact of the matter, is that an extremely large number of people, are trying to pay RESPECT to Our Queen
I personally did that with Princess Diana
But this is something else.
There is only so much Death I can take, when I have such a lovely wife, and family with another a Grandchild on the way
I hope she is O.K.
I have not had a Grand Daughter before.
The NHS has been Brilliant, monitoring mum nearly every day but she hasn’t been born yet.
She was underweight, but now seems to be doing O.K.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 16 2022 20:20 utc | 134

However you always have to keep an eye out for Murphy.
Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:21 utc | 124

Murphy’s Law applies to all players, no? I respectfully suggest that the team with more disparate groups, with differing core objectives will have more Murphy type problems.
A friend of a friend returned from visiting family in Rostov, they also took a trip together to Crimea. The mood is patriotic and upbeat, and except for an uptick in military air traffic, there is no disruption to ordinary life.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 16 2022 20:31 utc | 135

Passerby @ 127:
Before becoming EU President, Ursula von der Leyen served as Minister for Defence under Chancellor Angela Merkel from 2013 to 2019. You might want to direct your question to the German Ministry of Defence, or whatever Germans to call that department, to find out how its public servants calculate how many different parts of common household appliances and their microprocessors can be repurposed in tanks, warships and fighter jets. I am sure they still use some incredibly complex algebraic formulas and algorithms, all dreamt up by UvdL herself while she was a Californian hausfrau bringing up seven kids in the 1990s, in their calculations.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 16 2022 20:51 utc | 136

Andrei Martyanov is a fucktard who rehashes elsewhere information and sells it off as his professional own analyses to people too stupid and lazy to see through his bullshit. Hes been wrong on just about everything. You cannot question or challenge the circle jerking narratives on his so called blog ‘the vineyard of the saker’…they wont publish comments that embarrass them. I suppose life sucks when one has a commisar pointing a gun at your head all day long.
Posted by: LM | Sep 16 2022 13:51 utc | 28
“LM” must stand for ‘Lazy Moron’ – but you were too lazy to type it out in full – because you literally did not get anything right but his name. Martyanov is former Russian Navy and the author of several books on west-vs-Russia which have been generally well-received by the military community. He typically does not ‘rehash elsewhere information’ at all, although most authors – including B – are inspired to write by events which have already happened. When doing that, many authors forecast what may happen as a result, and they are sometimes wrong. But I suppose you could be the first analyst to forecast the outcome of events which have already completed. I have dibs on World War II – I bet Germany loses. Andrei Martyanov does not have anything to do with Vineyard of the Saker, that’s a completely different individual. Both live in the United States, so it is not very likely Martyanov has a Commissar’s gun pointed at his head. Please spare us the questionable benefit of your lazy and hysterical denunciations of people you know nothing – literally – about.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 16 2022 20:57 utc | 137

«Almost everyone is too brainwashed to RESIST»
I know quite a few people that are not brainwashed, they are just in self-preservation mode: they are middle-class people sitting pretty with good salaries, and are absolutely terrified of muttering anything that might lose them that situation. They are fully aware that given constant rounds of “downsizing” and blacklists, a misplaced uttering might do them in, they are not taking any risks. “The nail that sticks out will be hammered”, “it is hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it”.

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 16 2022 21:05 utc | 138

«reported that “Ukrainian officials say”, blatantly just acting as Ukrainian propaganda spreaders.»
You don’t get journalist convention, that is the way honest journalists who are afraid of losing their job tell their readers that what they are reporting is bullshit. Compare:
* A. Journo: “Today I ate a bagel” that is something that means it is something that she knows for a fact.
* A. Journo: “Today A. Journo ate a bagel, ukrainian officials say” is her way to make the point that she did not do that.

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 16 2022 21:15 utc | 139

Any rape camps yet?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 16 2022 21:20 utc | 140

Propaganda starts at the top. This lady, who gets her underlings to do the washing up instead of using a dishwasher, knows something about it. Now every time I see a flying supersonic refrigerator I will duck, as they might have been recycled by the Russians.
https://twitter.com/silberschmelzer/status/1570632263934840837
She is of course, the person who going to be Empress of all the Europeans.
(VDL; Very Dumb Lady)
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 16 2022 17:30 utc | 112
That is called progress: In the past, they scared us with flying saucers. Now it’s flying dish washers – and nobody knows how many flying saucers the Russians have put into them. Worse, those dish washers might contain dirty saucers.
Thanks for your explanation regarding VDL = Very Dumb Lady. I really needed a laugh.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 16 2022 21:20 utc | 141

133 Mr Scorpion
Yes, we irish as an independent nation since 1922 have plundered and raped defenceless peasants with a smile on our faces throughout the globe. We are controlled by Jewish media which is why we carry out our cheerful atrocities. Yet, we pretend to be neutral and welcoming people. Thanks for the wonderful little article you linked, I haven’t had such a realisation since watching the late Al Gore’s cinematic debut.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 16 2022 21:26 utc | 142

Responding to LaxardalrNeil @26
A book that gathers documentary evidence to systematically debunk NATO claims around Yugoslavia is Michael Parenti’s To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia (Verso: 2000)

Posted by: RetainYourHumanity | Sep 16 2022 21:40 utc | 143

Jeremy Bowen on News at 10 noted that massacred people are not buried in individual graves marked with Orthodox crosses.

Posted by: Kaiama | Sep 16 2022 21:40 utc | 144

@140 “Any rape camps yet?”
Not yet but don’t be surprised if they find some dead children. Orla Guerin is on the case.

Posted by: dh | Sep 16 2022 21:45 utc | 145

@ Chaka Khagan and PP.
So call any and all liars an appropriate name.
Like Lying Sack of Sh it. Or put nicely, Pathological Liar.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 16 2022 21:45 utc | 146

RTE, Ireland’s state broadcaster ran the ‘mass graves” story with a photo of a Ukrainian soldier in a pit with a “metal detector”, the reality that these were mainly the graves of unburied Ukrainian soldiers, including the so called “mass grave” where 14 unburied Ukrainian soldiers whose bodies were abandoned in May, was not of course even mentioned as a
possible explanation.
The objective, it seems to me, is to demonise the Russians to such a degree that ANY action taken against them will appear as mere justice.
Is this objective being achieved? I don’t think so, people here are quietly seething about the huge amount of money and resources being committed to housing and providing for our unlimited commitment to house as many Ukrainian refugees as show up in our airports. Tonight the guy who delivered the turf to me (turf is the term for dried peat used as a widespread traditional fuel in rural Ireland), engaged in one of these conversations.. ‘I’m not racist but we can’t afford to be housing all these Ukrainians, it’s ridiculous ” and went on to explain how a local hotel owner, with the right political connections, whose sub standard hotel was a loss maker anyway, was in receipt of a €6m bonanza from cramming Ukrainians into his property, adding about the hairdresser who was told to bill the costs of hairdressing for some of the refugees to the hotel they are staying in, the state will pick up the tab. Apocryphal or not, these represent a widely expressed view amongst ordinary people, especially those on lower incomes, who are getting squeezed by inflation and rocketing fuel prices. There is therefore already a disconnect between the populace and the narrative being pumped out relentlessly by our Von der Leyen led political elites. I do not think that this is very likely to lead to a reassessment of the pro-Ukraine stance which is the accepted orthodoxy of Irish political discourse, but it does seem to me that “sympathy” for Ukraine is in many cases nominal rather than deeply felt. Once again the liberal/left elites are leaving the people far behind, and the sense of not being listened to or even consulted on anything of any significance is widespread. We have a unique situation here where ALL of the main political parties are vocal adherents of the pro-Ukraine, pro-EU, climate change, “woke” agenda. I am merely pointing out that, these political parties and the media and political elites here in Ireland, seem singularly unaware of how out of step they are with genuine popular opinion, for a growing majority of the Irish people, fuel bills, rental prices driven up by an excess of demand for rental properties (as the state corners the market to house refugees and asylum seekers) , the lack of accommodation for students in our towns and cities,the huge number of non English speaking children being shoehorned into our schools. All of these generate a singularly hollow response to the latest Ukraine “atrocity” story. Perhaps its selfishness, but people have other things on their mind. I suspect this pertains throughout the majority of EU countries.

Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Sep 16 2022 21:55 utc | 147

Stinkin Blinken tweeted this an hour ago.
Bots are chiming in – Send more and better weapons; our soldiers should join the fight; Make Russia a State Terror Sponsor…and On and On:
Reports of a mass grave with 440 men, women, and children in Izyum, Ukraine are heartbreaking and should galvanize our support to the brave Ukrainians seeking to liberate their homeland. We stand with Ukraine in pursuing accountability for these crimes.
What a lying POS.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 16 2022 22:00 utc | 148

Larry Johnson Andrei Martyanov Andrei Raevsky Gonzalo Lira Scott Ritter Alexander Mercouris are constantly trashed in these comments. Occasionally someone goes after Bernhard or Maria Zakharova. It is boring. It is tiring.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2022 22:07 utc | 149

there was a few vids on telegram that show the graves were dead ukies picked up from battlefield. surroundings confirm its same site.. its an extension to an existing cemetery not some nefarious hole in a forest.. marked like christian burials happen. there was even commentary that ukies refused to collect their dead so russians had to do it. always two sides to the story. its a pity the west will only print one.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/17748?single
nice attempt at distraction from the reality that semi trailers have to be used to haul out the thousands of dead ukies . link is for the trucks being loaded with bodies

Posted by: hankster | Sep 16 2022 22:16 utc | 150

US is “main predator of humanity.” Manlio Dinucci: “Whatever the sympathy we may have for the people of the United States, their country is still the main predator of humanity. We can in no circumstance claim to share their «values»….[Conte’s government] is perpetuating the tradition according to which the Italian government must always obtain the approbation of Washington, thus confirming the state of our « democratic sovereignty »….Interests which Washington will continue to consider as « legitimate » as long as Italy remains part of the NATO herd, dominated by the United States, follows them from war to war, increases on their demand its military spending, and leaves its territory at the disposition of US forces and bases, including nuclear weaponry.”…Manlio Dinucci, 7/31/2019, Voltaire, and Il Manifesto…https://www.voltairenet.org/article207179.html

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 16 2022 22:20 utc | 151

@38 Кomrade Retslag
Sorry dude, you got that ass backwards. Greens as a party were initiated by NATO, to drive an economic wedge between Germany and Russia, and to accelerate the deindustrialization of Germany, making it more dependent on the US. Anti-nuclear power and ostensibly pacifist was a clever part and ploy of this strategy.
Petra Kelly was one of the founders, together with her boyfriend (NATO) General Bastian. It’s so obvious.
You know the greens are on power again when there is yet another NATO war in Europe

Posted by: Xeen | Sep 16 2022 22:22 utc | 152

Numerous references about how such and such is being done or planned before the US General election come Nov. I can tell you, having lived my entire life here, the election outcome won’t make a difference one bit. We know the Dems are openly in the NeoCons pocket and will continue the same policy no matter if they have more seats in congress. The GOP make noises, especially the farther right flank, about defunding the NATO operations in Ukraine but when push comes to shove, they will fall in line to continue along–preserving the imperial status quo. Nothing drastic will change except for the fact that the situation for the “regular folk” gets progressively worse.

Posted by: Milton | Sep 16 2022 22:58 utc | 153

Posted by: Milton | Sep 16 2022 22:58 utc | 153
I think the main difference it makes is which hot button issues get pushed, and who gets the best lobbyist jobs after their careers in.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 16 2022 23:08 utc | 154

Like many of the previous events of the past i.e. 9-11, Iraq War, Syrian gas attack, Covid-19 vaccines we have yet another litmus test to see who believes the bullshit of the MSM. What’s odd is the bullshit just gets more absurd as the years go by.

Posted by: jc | Sep 16 2022 23:18 utc | 155

Andrei Martyanov does not have anything to do with Vineyard of the Saker, that’s a completely different individual. Both live in the United States, so it is not very likely Martyanov has a Commissar’s gun pointed at his head. Please spare us the questionable benefit of your lazy and hysterical denunciations of people you know nothing – literally – about.
Posted by: Mark | Sep 16 2022 20:57 utc | 137
I was unsure about that, and this is the first time I’ve actually read that AM is not the Saker.
So who is the Saker,and if he’s in the US why does his blog say “now flying in Iceland?”
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 16 2022 23:48 utc | 156

Posted by: the pair | Sep 16 2022 16:40 utc | 101
as for the letters posted on the bezos blog; just transparently stupid. first, who hand writes letters anymore? second, they probably weren’t even that far from home to justify writing “dearest millicent, winter’s unforgiving shroud is approaching and i fear the morrow” musings in their spare time. but then the MSM laps up anything from kiev like thirsty dogs at a toilet so hardly surprising.

Absolutely spot on. *I* can’t remember the last time I wrote an actual, physical letter, and I’m not that young. 23 year old Russian soldiers were writing letters to their sweethearts and sealing them with dainty kisses or something? Maybe Ukie intelligence got bought out by Mills & Boon.
NATO propaganda isn’t sending its best anymore, that’s for sure. But it’s a downside of Russia withdrawing anywhere – every village they leave behind will be “discovered” to have “mass graves”. And I fear some of them will be genuine – created by the neo-nazis getting their hands on “Russian sympathisers”

Posted by: ZX | Sep 16 2022 23:56 utc | 157

o who is the Saker,and if he’s in the US why does his blog say “now flying in Iceland?”
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 16 2022 23:48 utc | 156
The Saker’s blog was, and continues to be subjected to DDOS attacks. A few years ago he relocated the blog origin to Iceland.

Posted by: Cortes | Sep 17 2022 0:07 utc | 158

PP (#4):
Just saying it’s “propaganda” doesn’t mean the graves don’t exist.
They’re real.
The claim is that the buried are civilians (largely) killed in Russian bombardments, likely artillery attacks.
Okay, can you provide verifiable evidence that’s not the case?
The Bucha story fell apart for obvious reasons. The satellite photos were from 2 weeks before the Russians left, so the bodies “found” out in the streets when Ukraine retook the town can’t have been the same bodies as the satellite images showed, because bodies turn to goo and bones if left out in spring weather for 2 weeks. And we know that the Ukrainian National Police (or something like that) announced a special cleansing operation after Ukraine retook Bucha.
So the bodies in the satellite images were of people killed in the fighting — not simply just shot by Russians, and the different bodies “found” 2 weeks later were of Ukrainians who’d cooperated with the Russian occupation.
Sure, Alexa spies on you, but so does your cable box, your satellite TV provider, your internet enabled flatscreen TV, BUT MOSTLY your smartphone spies on you.

Posted by: Jay | Sep 17 2022 0:18 utc | 159

Putin Uzbekistan presser… http://kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/69366
“When we talk about grain export from Ukraine, do you know who is exporting it? American companies, they are the owners of this grain mainly, in large part. It turned out that the land in Ukraine has long been sold to American companies, this is their grain, and they export their grain. That’s probably why there was so much talk about it. No matter.”
“I would like to draw your attention to the fact that we are not fighting with a full army, we are fighting only with a part of the Russian army, only with a contract part. But, of course, this is due to certain parameters of personnel and so on. Therefore, we are not in a hurry in this part. But by and large, there are no changes, something the General Staff considers important, something secondary, but the main task remains unchanged, and it is being implemented.”
…………..
Some rough numbers. Total Rus military personnel 1.9 million. Combat troops approx 1 million.
Conscripts 130-150 thousand one year term. Leaves about 850 thousand professional military combat troops. Of that, 200 thousand are contract troops.
I have a few thoughts but too tired to comment further.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2022 0:18 utc | 160

oldhippie | Sep 16 2022 22:07 utc | 149
It appears desperation talking points have been handed out. Getting cranky at times with this or that blogger at times is I guess normal, but what we are seeing now is different.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2022 0:26 utc | 161

Laxardar @26
Information about the destruction of Yugoslavia is difficult to come by in the west.
This is a confession from a CIA guy about how it started.
https://sarajevotimes.com/former-cia-agent-claims-they-gave-us-millions-to-split-up-yugoslavia/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 17 2022 0:39 utc | 162

Bill Schryver analyzes the Ukie “counter attacks”……
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/fall-like-a-thunderbolt
Some Highlights……
Seventy-nine years ago what was arguably the single greatest battle of the Second World War took place in roughly the same area where battles are occurring again today.
Across a broad front in eastern Ukraine and southwestern Russia, stretching from Bryansk in the north to Izyum in the south, German and Soviet forces faced each other in the summer of 1943, with a substantial bulge in the lines in the area around Kursk. It was this bulge that was targeted by German commanders for envelopment and destruction.
this essay will focus on an aspect of the campaign that was unprecedented: it was the first battle in which the Soviet concepts of maskirovka were aggressively incorporated into every stage of the planning and execution of their operations.
Maskirovka is a Russian word meaning literally “masking” or “disguise”, but in the context of Russian military doctrine, it incorporates a wide spectrum of undertakings designed to deceive the enemy regarding strengths, weaknesses, disposition of forces, and the intentions of those forces.
On April 8, 1943, overall commander Georgy Zhukov wrote to Stalin:
“I consider it inexpedient for our troops to launch a preemptive offensive in the near future. It would be better for us to wear down the enemy on our defenses, knock out his tanks, bring in fresh reserves, and finish off his main grouping with a general offensive.”
Glantz, David M., Soviet Military Deception in the Second World War, p. 148
Somewhat ironically, the great armored battle that unfolded in the vicinity of Kursk developed as a diversion from the primary Soviet objective: to defeat and conquer the primary locus of German power in and around Kharkov.
There has been much ecstatic jubilation among Ukraine-supporters, and anguished hand-wringing among Russia-supporters, that somehow Russian forces were “surprised” and “humiliated” by the recent Ukrainian counter-offensive near Kharkov.
Let me therefore be perfectly clear: the notion that the Russian high command did not see this coming is, in my confident estimation, utterly absurd.
They observed its preparations over the course of many weeks. They knew much of the NATO-provided equipment shipped into Ukraine since the spring was not being used yet in battle, and had instead been diverted and hoarded to provide the backbone of firepower for an eventual counter-stroke.
They also knew that substantial numbers of the remaining cadre of Ukrainian professional soldiers had been pulled from the front lines to form the core of this attack, and that they were being supplemented by a significant infusion of “foreign volunteers”.
They knew that the cream of the thousands of new Ukrainian conscripts had been sent to Poland and Britain for rapid training according to NATO standards.
They knew NATO commanders had effectively assumed operational command of this force, and were calling the shots as to when and where it would be deployed.
And they certainly knew that, because this force was not present in the Kherson region for the limited counter-attack that took place there earlier in August, that the southern operations were almost certainly a diversion from the primary objective, which would be in the Kharkov region.
Indeed, as the true nature of the events of the past two weeks comes into clearer focus, it is now possible to see that the Russians acted deliberately to provide the NATO commanders of this reconstituted Ukrainian force with some low-hanging fruit to blood their untested army, and provide it with a victory that would not only bolster its battlefield confidence, but more importantly serve essential political purposes at a time when western public support was flagging to a very discernible degree.
More importantly, from the Russian perspective, providing NATO commanders a temptation they could not resist would draw this fresh army into the open field of battle where it could then be isolated and ultimately destroyed.
Therefore the Russians commenced, several weeks ago, to withdraw all but a token force from the area containing the towns of Balakliya, Kupyansk, and Izyum – thereby presenting an irresistible opportunity for the commanders of this NATO-trained, NATO-equipped, and NATO-led force to demonstrate, as they imagine it, the superiority of western combined-arms warfare.
The subsequent attack achieved seemingly extraordinary success against the relative handful of Donbass militia and Rosgvardia troops left to defend Balakliya and Kupyansk. The Ukrainians and their “foreign volunteer” shock troops advanced mostly unopposed and occupied a fairly significant piece of real estate extending all the way to the Oskil River.
Relatively little soldier against soldier fighting has occurred. In fact, Ukrainian reports euphorically trumpeted the fact that the Ukrainian advance could not even keep up with the speed of the Russian retreat!
The “glorious victory” of this quasi-NATO army has – at least for the time being – launched the western media narrative into an unprecedented spasm of triumphalism.
Delusional reports of hundreds of abandoned tanks, thousands of casualties, and tens of thousands of captured Russian soldiers are circulating widely, willingly believed by those whose biases find them pleasing.
Western think-tank monkeys and retired-generals-for-hire move from one mainstream news studio to the next spouting fantastical nonsense about next liberating the Donbass, then Crimea, followed by deposing Putin and hauling him before a tribunal at The Hague.
And if that were not enough, many have even begun to openly discuss the long-desired western pipe dream of dismantling Russia altogether; cutting it up into a dozen or more smaller republics that will then obediently fall in line with the rest of the “rules-based world order”.
It’s all quite breathtaking to behold.
Few seem to be aware that the triumphant army that marched forth into the power vacuum the Russians created for them have been continually savaged by long-range artillery fire and airstrikes, which have already inflicted nearly 20% casualties upon the relatively exposed force.
Few seem to appreciate that the pace of the initially rapid advance has now effectively ground to a halt, caught between the Oskil River to the east and the Seversky-Donets to the south, and it has proven unable to achieve appreciable success against the concentrations of Russian forces it is now encountering on the other sides of those rivers.
And no one seems to be asking the most pertinent question: What will the Russians do next?
There seems to be a pervasive assumption that this apparent battlefield “victory” has been so humiliatingly complete that the Russians have been ruined; psychologically broken; that they are no longer capable of operations; that they are now a beaten, trembling mob of frightened “orcs” nervously awaiting the next train back to wherever it was they came from.
Those cheering as the victory parade rolls down the streets of Kiev, London, and Washington appear to have forgotten that Russia’s “special military operation” up to this point has employed a minor fraction of its military capability, and that the Russian objective, from the beginning, has not been to conquer territory, per se, but to comprehensively destroy Ukrainian military capabilities.

I agree with the author’s conclusion…. “Premature exultation”
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 17 2022 0:44 utc | 163

Andrei Martyanov does not have anything to do with Vineyard of the Saker, that’s a completely different individual. Both live in the United States, so it is not very likely Martyanov has a Commissar’s gun pointed at his head. Please spare us the questionable benefit of your lazy and hysterical denunciations of people you know nothing – literally – about.
Posted by: Mark | Sep 16 2022 20:57 utc | 137
———-
So who is the Saker,and if he’s in the US why does his blog say “now flying in Iceland?”
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 16 2022 23:48 utc | 156

Saying Andrei Martyanov “has nothing to do with The Saker” is flat out wrong. He is one of their most consistent authors.
Andrei Raevsky runs The SAker and you can learn more about him at WikiSpooks.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/'The_Saker
Flying in Iceland, means that is where he moved his servers a few years back. If I recall it was to get away from the Amazon/Google Deep State duopoly.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 17 2022 1:07 utc | 164

Too Long Don’t Read. Extremely Offensive to Americans, but why shouldn’t I write what I feel. It is You Americans who pissed me off, not the people I know and love in England.
You Americans are a Disgrace to the Human Race
If you are on old person, like me do not be afraid, with the coming winter, which I expect to be incredibly cold – sods law almost demands it, because us in the “comfortable” West, have been extremly horrible to most of the rest of the World…Even if you don’t think it is your fault – you do not think you have personally done anything wrong. Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t..
If you have got a chimney, buy loads of coal (I have)
If you have got a freezer full of stuff..it does not last forever
Eat the oldest stuff now, and restock it, whilst you can still buy food..the same with your canned food.
Unless you have been camping numerous times over most of your life..just imagine you are going camping for the first time in your life…
What do you need to survive?
Have you ever had it rough? Do you know how to forage for food like a bird?
When all the electricity and gas and oil gets switched off by the lunatica in control, thinking the windmills and the solar power will work in an anti-cyclone which typically lasts for 3 months of the year like in 1963..
Learn Now how to Build an Igloo, like I did with my brother in 1963, and used blocks of ice for our windows
It was surprisingly warm inside – and my brother and I were just so proud of each other for actually building an Igloo in our Back Garden.
I expect it to get worse than that, and I do not think my yet unborn daughter will have to survive in an igloo..but if that is what it takes, my son (her dad) and me will build it out of fresh snow…
when the evil bastards in control, turn all the electricty, gas, water and food off
Fight to survive
Turn net zero off
Turn them off
Buy Coal.
Buy Canned Gas and Camping Equipment
Buy Rechargable Torches, and Keep Old Car Batteries and AC/DC Converters
Do not expect The Internet to work, cos it won’t.
Mobile phones won’t work
Nothing much will work, unless you get your arse into gear..
If you have got a nice family, and a young son, who will fight for anything, to keep his young children warm an well fed..
If it gets really bad, you are going to die, this coming winter
Unless You Kill The Neocons
Just Kill Them – Slit Their Throats
They are not nice
they are trying to kill us all
Fuck You – you evil Bastards
I am trying to protect my family here
Most of them live close to Washington DC.
I would request The Russians, to please not Nuke The City of London
The Queen is Dead, and Liz Truss is Useless.
Just Nuke The USA
Thanks
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 17 2022 1:14 utc | 165

Posted by: Cortes | Sep 17 2022 0:07 utc | 158
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 17 2022 1:07 utc | 164
Thank you!

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 17 2022 1:14 utc | 166

22 years of lying about Afghanistan proves nothing!

Posted by: Rjb1.5 | Sep 17 2022 1:14 utc | 167

Russia will continue to be demonized and attacked in every way possible by the West.
Putin knows there is no end to the escalation until he is gone and Russia is split up as spoils for the West. The only option left to him and Russia is to initiate a nuclear first strike upon the head of NATO which is the USA.
First, Russia wants to clear the Ukrainian army off of its Western front. When Donetsk is entirely taken, this objective will have been realized.
Whenever, all of Donetsk is taken by Russia and its Allies, Russia will launch its attack which will devour much flesh. This is based upon Daniel 7:5 of the Bible. This happens as soon as the bear has 3 ribs in its mouth between its teeth and “they” of Daniel 7:5 tell Russia to arise and devour much flesh.
Meanwhile, Putin’s Special Military Operation (SMO) continues to clearly show Russia who its enemies are. Soon it will be VERY, VERY BAD to be on Russia’s enemy list.
Soon Russia will launch against NATO. This will begin the time known as “Jacob’s Trouble”.

Posted by: young | Sep 17 2022 1:33 utc | 168

Propaganda, B?
I remember listening, many decades ago, to Radio Moscow, Radio Habana Cuba, BBC, VOA, Deutsche Welle, et al, on shortwave radio.
Heavy handed propaganda by all parties dispensed daily. Easily seen through but the Eastern block nations were obviously the most flagrant fake news sources. Liars.
Now it is flipped and the Western nations are the biggest liars. They destroy their own credibility except here in the USA where everyone – including Fox news hosts.
Conservatives, after telling us for years that the MSM was lying and just making up shit vis-à-vis the “Russian Collusion” story – now, suddenly believe the MSM when they lie. Cognitive dissonance?
No, Self deception.
Just saying.

Posted by: Just Observing | Sep 17 2022 2:01 utc | 169

The Russians should have put a bunch of rocks that would interfere with ground penetrating radar over it. You know, as a memorial.

Posted by: Cthulhu | Sep 17 2022 2:03 utc | 170

There is a graveyard with over 400 bodies. A lot of them will be casualties of this conflict, be it civilian or military. These casualties would not have occurred if Russia had not initiated the SMO into Ukraine.
Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 16 2022 14:55 utc | 52
100% correct Tom. You are right.
Now, how many more tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Donbass would be dead over and above the 14,000 +/- already killed by Ukraine operations since 2014-2021 had the 60,000 plus NATO UK USA Ukrainian Army been allowed to go through with it’s planned attack on the Donbass Republics in February 2022?
Any idea of the number Tom from the UK?
Would it be more than the 400+/- souls buried in a forest next to a cemetery who no one really knows who, why or how they were killed as yet? Or a little less than that number?
And would those 400 be dead now had your warmongering delusional UK PM Bojo not interfered in the peace/ceasefire agreements nutted out in Turkey between Russia and Ukriane officials in April?
Maybe it is the UK public who voted for that idiot to run your country who are really to blame for those deaths and not President Putin or Russian military. Gosh, who knows? Not me.
Mmmmmm. Dunning-Kruger perhaps? Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one’s own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1999-15054-002
Frankly, clearly, factually, obviously it is ‘the Jews’ who are 100% responsible Tom. I mean if they didn’t instigate and drive the 1917 Revolution and the subsequent Russian Civil War then Putin would never have become President of Russia 80 years later!!!
You know it makes sense.
/sarc

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 2:25 utc | 171

Yesterday, in an Al Jazeera news item covering the ‘440 people buried’ reports, they showed additional footage in another location of several other dead Ukrainian soldiers partially ‘buried’- covered with soil/vegetation – and several had lower legs/boots sticking out of the ground. They were not intentionally buried but simply left for dead.
Mentioning they were left behind by Ukraine forces. Now, I don’t know the date or location of that footage, or how long those bodies had been there – but they were definitely confirming dead Ukraine soldiers being left behind and not buried properly was a “thing”.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 2:44 utc | 172

Caitlin Johnstone: The trouble with “Western values” is that Westerners don’t value them.
It’s the critics of Western empire who actually embody values such as truth, free speech, equality, accountability for the powerful and adversarial journalism.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/16/caitlin-johnstone-just-who-values-western-values/
( in other news – Colombia & Venezuela to Reopen Border – poor little Guaidó )

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 3:21 utc | 173

Therefore: if Putin yields on attacking the rest of Ukraine, then Western intervention will eventually fizzle.
Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 16 2022 16:11 utc | 92
Sorry, that is quite ‘irrational/delusional thinking’ that defies the known reality.
Putin yielded on attacking the rest of Ukraine and the Donbas from 2014 thru 2022.
What “fizzled”? Nothing fizzled. The Western intervention has continually ramped up from 2014-2022 to today and still more is coming tomorrow.
It’s not called the ’empire of lies’ for no reason at all. Right?

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 3:27 utc | 174

Passerby | Sep 16 2022 18:39 utc | 127
The chips from dishwashers story is an old meme from the US and was bandied around as an illustration of how the US car industry faced a chip shortage in 2021 and how they failed to fix it (tap washing machines automobiles for links)
All vdL has done is steal it for her own purposes : like all her thefts transparently stupid

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 17 2022 3:44 utc | 175

JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:21 utc | 124
The Russians as everyone are familar with US habits of fighting via proxies and with mercenaries, of course they knew what to expect – every one of US and NATO actions come from the book
This was clear from from 2008 onwards
RF strategy of patient pursuit of limited goals is designed for many reasons, saving civilian lives, conserving and saving their military, appealing to home front population, broadcasting reasonable actions to the third world – gradually drawing NATO US into conflict on their just next to home ground – giving sanctions blow back time to wear down EU and allowing RF to contract alliances with Opec, India, Turkey Iran etc etc
Thjere was never any such thing as ‘swift victory’ in Ukraine : however an essential part of winning a war is to fight it on your own terms – this the RF have done and will continue to do
Every single action by NATO has been entirely predictable – will continue to be, more so as now NATO is merely reacting to RF

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 17 2022 3:46 utc | 176

re Bucha
The images presented by Maxar Technologies show a 45-foot long trench dug in the ground near the Church of St. Andrew & Pyervozvannoho All Saints. According to the company, the first signs of excavation on the grounds of the church date back to March 10. […]
The town had seen fierce fighting since the beginning of the Russian invasion on February 24 and was occupied by February 26. For more than a month, the town remained completely inaccessible.
https://www.newsweek.com/bucha-massacre-images-show-mass-grave-church-ukraine-1694602
(noting Newsweek is an intel/govt services psyops propaganda outlet)
I didn’t save photos of online links unfortunately, but way back then in March when this prop-story came out, very quickly and easily I found via search pro-Ukrainian social media pages with the FIRST excavations of that “mass grave”, and the first shots of bodies in ‘body bags’ being placed in it.
In the photos were uniformed Ukrianian ‘Ambulance’ staff personnel standing on the edge of the then shallow excavation plus several marked ambulances and other trucks.
The general location showed it was exactly as the images by Maxar technologies, only it was the beginning of the burials …..
iirc Bucha had it’s electricity cut from the very beginning under attack from Russian forces, because Bucha was shelled so both Ukraine military and “collateral” civilians were killed.
There was no power for refrigerated morgues for weeks, the bodies in body bags being buried in that “mass grave” were being put there BY UKRAINIANS because they amounted to an URGENT Health Problem …… then after the Russians entered the town, obviously more many bodies were buried there – it was the only sane rational compassionate thing to do.
The earlier photos matched up perfectly with the later photos in social media sources showing more bodies had been added over time. Of course “Bellingcat” would have known this too, but such info doesn’t fit the Narrative of Lies.
Clearly, dozens to hundreds of Ukrainian officials in Bucha and at the hospitals, morgues and ambulance staff ALL KNOW why that mass grave was dug and why bodies in body bags were buried there.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 3:48 utc | 177

Whilst I have massive respect, for the 8 young lads, who bought in the coffin (please do not ask me about this)…they did not drop it, which could be somewhat embarrassing on live tv..whilst at least 3 people came over with uncontrollable feelings – even some of the guards on parade in both Edinburgh and London…
I put it down to their love of our Queen, not that they had probably been jabbed recently..
But these things keeling over on pararade, almost never happened when I was a kid
It was almost completely unheard of.
Feeling weak at the knees carrying the coffin.
We had over 25,000 watching Oldham Athletic beat first Southport and then Manchester United, some of which was on live TV
Absolutely no one, keeled over and felt the slightest bit feint, and dropped dead on the pitch
It simply did not happen
None of us had been jabbed then, and a lot of us were really thin, but not starving.
We had a little bottle of milk in the morning…and a full cooked meal at lunch time.
No one just keeled over and dropped dead.
it was unheard of
the jabbed do it all the time now..another one bites the dust.
this is not normal
Glad I was born in 1953 , when the teachers told us off for fighting in the playground.
We did get told off, but no one was seriously injured, and no one died.
We didn’t hate each other, and would queue up together after school if we had a penny for a 1 penny special (big slice of potato, cooked in batter)
Chip shop across the road from school
We of course all had to behave, and did…or you woundn’t get a penny special.
Any of us even now, could be coffin bearers – both boys and girls
There is no way, we would drop The Queen.
I am still upset, and she hasn’t been buried yet.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 17 2022 4:00 utc | 178

Pakistan and Russia will now collaborate on many matters including building a long-delayed gas pipeline to Pakistan.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2022 16:21 utc | 97
I do not think so. Not until Imran Khan’s party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is returned to be the Government of the day after the US driven Coup this year which removed him and placed Shariff as the new PM.

“There were reports of political prisoners and detainees. The NAB continued to
press corruption charges against opposition figures, but corruption charges were
rarely pursued against Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party figures. In September 2020
authorities arrested National Assembly opposition leader and Pakistani Muslim
League (Nawaz) (PML-N) president Shehbaz Sharif on charges of accumulating
assets beyond his means and money laundering. On April 23, Shehbaz Sharif was
released from prison on bail. On August 5, the NAB approved a new inquiry of
Shehbaz Sharif relating to an allegedly illegal allotment of land. On July 5, the
NAB opened an investigation into former president and Pakistan Peoples Party
leader Asif Ali Zardari regarding his acquisition of property.”
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/313615_PAKISTAN-2021-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

Imran Khan was elected overwhelmingly to fight and remove all this entrenched corruption in the nepotistic ruling families of Pakistan. The US didn;t like that. Pakistan is another key to pushing against Russia in the region. Even though the gas pipeline was begun before Khan was elected, that doesn’t mean the US will now allow that project rto go through. It has already been stalled numerous times. Shehbaz Sharif may be making all the right sounds today at the SCO but he still has a gun to his head.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 4:08 utc | 179

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 16 2022 13:09 utc | 10
“There was a recent alleged RAND report, outlining US strategy that used the Ukraine war and subsequent Energy Crisis to weaken Germany and plunder its industry.”
I read that report, and clearly it was not written by an American. There were tons of grammatical errors that no professional American, with a high school education, would ever write. I copied them to a word program, but there got to be so many of them that I gave up copying them. Clearly it was written by a foreigner. The theme of the piece was that the US was out to destroy Germany and Russia. But clearly the main point was the destruction of an ally Germany, to sow division between Germany and the US; because everyone already knows that the US wants to destroy Russia. So authorship — given the clumsiness of the writing and the clear anti-German propaganda — I’m guessing was Russian (not saying Russian government).
As one indication of the Russian sourcing, when the point was made that the conflict might result in German loss of energy and Russian loss of an energy customer, the only dire consequences listed were those to be experienced by Germany — possible consequences to Russia were not listed. One other point. This report supposedly was written before the special operation began. But the report was too prescient to have been written then. NO ONE has that kind of ability to accurately predict so many facts in advance. It appear to be a propaganda piece written about a month ago.

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 17 2022 4:42 utc | 180

so many facts in advance….. only someone who can see how the game is being played and who is ”being played” can see it, and that wouldn’t include the ordinary american who has been dumbed down over the years by the constant propaganda they are fed…
purpose of nato has been to keep germany down, russia out and usa on top… of course an american would be incapable of seeing this as the usa is always on the side of good, lol…. lets ignore all the circumstantial evidence that says the exact opposite…
“The RAND Corporation (“research and development”)[7] is an American nonprofit global policy think tank[1] created in 1948 by Douglas Aircraft Company to offer research and analysis to the United States Armed Forces. It is financed by the U.S. government and private endowment,[6] corporations,[8] universities[8] and private individuals.[8]”
the idea that a non profit american think tank could be pushing propaganda would be unheard of!!

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2022 5:00 utc | 181

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 16 2022 16:52 utc | 105
alt- Country 404 fake propaganda continues unabated since before the Maidan!
Posted by: Vragtes | Sep 16 2022 17:02 utc | 106
yes – IAEA (OSCE, OPCW, ICJ, UN, G7, G20, OECD, the Internet/Comms etc) are all controlled by the US / UK / NATO / EU aka the Neoliberal/Neocon Octopus
Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 16 2022 17:39 utc | 116
They are all narcissistic Psychopaths. Identified and nurtured since college. Brainwashed, bought and sold.
Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:09 utc | 121
“…before the US November election …the steal of the election ” ?
I don’t understand this line of thinking. The Republicans in Congress (trump or no-trump) are as rabid warmongers/anti-Russia as the democrats are. Ever heard of McCain in Ukraine? It’s a totally corrupt one-party system. Trump and his sycophants are irrelevant (imo) and will become even more so going forward. But we’ll see.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 5:03 utc | 182

SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 4:08 utc | 179
The actions of the SCO states as you outline only serve non aligned interests, and to move Pakistan further away from US oppression
These practical matters, BRI and the gas line, so obviously of benefit will not be rescinded by Imran Khan should he return to power

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 17 2022 5:03 utc | 183

re US politics in general – Has everyone forgotten that the GW Bush regime was a Republican / Neocon / Neoliberal operation from start to finish? Then Obama took over after his Social Media PR manipulations of “Yes We Can” BS and it became a Democrat / Neocon / Neoliberal operation.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. (oh well, no worries, doesn’t matter.)

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 5:07 utc | 184

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 17 2022 5:03 utc | 183
Sorry Gerrard, I may not have been clear.
What I think is Imran Khan and his Party were very much OK with the gas pipeline and Russia, especially given his recent positive overtures/visit, just before being toppled from power.
What I was saying (intended) is that I seriously doubt Shehbaz Sharif will be able/allowed by the USA to follow through with his “positive rhetoric” today. I think it is “lipservice” while stuck betweena rock and a hard place.
It seems more likely to me (fwiw) the US will again act to block that gas pipeline/activity because it directly benefits Russia and Iran. Yes?

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 5:16 utc | 185

osted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 17 2022 4:42 utc | 180
Goodness Kellen
While I accept that the report could well be a fake – the circulation to the DNC is a bit of a giveaway as is the unprofessional comment o the Greens- to say that no one could have predicted all that stuff is really quite silly. I did predict this from my PC in Australia, with no access to expert knowledge, so hardly surprising that a Rand report – a genuine one would – that is their reason for existing.
For example, the collapse of the US economy has been predicted by many for at least the last 10 years and everyone with a smidgen of knowledge realises that the enormous national debt, the rise of China and the probable loss of reserve currency status in the next decade is a serious threat to US economic stability. This has been a probability for some years and became more likely with COVID.
Then the probable impact on Germany of a Ukraine war. This is also hardly more difficult to grasp and to be honest a clever 11 year old who followed the news could figure it out. It goes like this. Russia intervenes in Ukraine- This has been high probability since the December 21 ultimatum. Remember that? 95% probability at least after the US/NATO rejection (ie before the supposed Rand report). If Russia intervened then increased sanctions were a certainty and the probability of cut off of Nord 2 was also very very high probability, given the demands of US Presidents including both Trump and Biden. So let us say 90%. If you know your school maths that means that well before January 22, you can easily calculate that there was a more than 85% in fact. If Rand guessed, as had happened to Afghanistan and Venezuala, the seizing of Russian assets, then the closure of Nord 1 was also practically a certainty. No surprises there -the biggest one for me was how long it took Russia to close Nord 1. Again 90% probability of more. So any even vaguely competent analyst – including a kid doing a high school project could have assessed that the was more than a 75% chance of severe gas shortages in Germany. No prescience needed. Bleeding bloody obvious.
A little more industry specific knowledge is needed to assess the specific effects on German industry, but since that is the purpose of rand economic assessments, you would certainly hope they were well aware of the direct impact on steel, aluminum, glass, chemicals and pottery and the probably indirect effects on many other industries due to supply chain issues.
So all this is now coming to pass. Not a surprise to many I think.
For me I remain stunned by the willingness of Germany to destroy itself economically for the sake of Ukraine. i can only assume that they believed the rhetoric that Russia would collapse economically via the sanctions from hell and that disruption would be very short lived. I imagine also that the Greens would have bee quite happy with a short term disruption, even a short term price hike, because it would reinvigorate the renewable progress. I think Germany has miscalculated very badly. The cut off of Russian gas will now be very long term, and rather than renewables the push is towards dirty fuels like coal and the very unpopular nuclear option. However perhaps many do not realise that since most uranium comes fro Russia, nuclear does not really reduce energy dependence on Russia, although the cost differential from getting it from other suppliers is not as significant.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 17 2022 5:32 utc | 186

For example did the Russians really expect the “West” to recruit NATO military personnel by the thousands as contractors?
Posted by: JackG | Sep 16 2022 18:21 utc | 124
Obviously, yes they did. Given “NATO military personnel” and CIA ground operatives have been actively supporting, training or advising the Ukrainian military against Donbas since ~2014.
No different than in Syria, Libya, Africa and on and on and on everywhere. Nothing surprising – it’s what the US always does. I’d be extremely surprised if they didn’t.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 5:34 utc | 187

Blissex, 139
If they were honest journalists they would be calling it for the bullshit that it is and pointing out the obvious flaws in the propaganda narrative. That they do not is what makes them presstitutes.

Posted by: eagle eye | Sep 17 2022 6:23 utc | 188

SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 5:16 utc | 186
It is true that the US will it’s very best to contiunue to bribe and corrupt the Generals, but the weight of China SCO and RF infrastructure initiatives in the region will be more and more persuasive and within the nearish future inevitable – any form of cease fire with India will involve or rather will be promoted by such
All of Pakistan’s neighbours and allies, notably SA, will push for this – the US will be isolated
It’s like the NATO playbook – by infinite repetition of the same old corruption it loses any power

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 17 2022 6:38 utc | 189

The claim is that the buried are civilians (largely) killed in Russian bombardments, likely artillery attacks.
Okay, can you provide verifiable evidence that’s not the case?
Posted by: Jay | Sep 17 2022 0:18 utc | 159
For one, generally speaking, you cannot prove a “negative”. So the question presumes a ‘fallacy.’
Second, people can make all kinds of claims. The question is where is the hard verifiable compelling evidence those 400+ people found buried were in fact killed by Russian bombardments?
When? What was the date/s? Who was killed? Where were they killed? They could have easily been killed by Ukrainian aligned bombardments, or rifles, or knives, or Himars. Are they all ‘Ukrainians’?
No genuine police investigation would know the answers to all these questions on the same day the “media” first heard about the burial site.
To believe any “media or politicians” report they know for sure is ludicrous in the extreme.
A proper unbiased intelligent methodical investigation by reputable bodies needs to be undertaken. Including Russian / Luhansk associated personnel who may have been in the area and especially those people that actually did the burying.
Just because Ukrainian villager or Zelensky or the US Secretary of State claims the evil Russians did it does not make it so.
Why is this not automatically obvious to everyone?
Besdies being gullible, there’s this thing called extreme entrenched bias and especially cognitive dissonance. https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 8:01 utc | 190

Another profound author from the US, another big picture about this world war. Read of the day.
Über Kamikaze, die Propaganda der Verzweiflung – und warum die USA bereits verloren haben:
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/lies-damned-lies-the-media-and-kharkov

Posted by: njet | Sep 17 2022 8:06 utc | 191

@Et Tu (10)

That of course wouldn’t stop not so serious and by no means journalists, like Andrei Martyanov, from quoting it in support of his personal war of hate against Europe… but we all know despite his expertise on military matters, when it comes to geopolitics he is a partisan hack with a massive hard on for mother Russia… and a major grudge against Western Europeans

(May be OT)
Until now I thought I was the only one here who had a problem with that. I’m probably not alone anymore.

Posted by: joey_n | Sep 17 2022 8:49 utc | 192

Propaganda as Prelude
It is suggested that there exist two discrete spheres of interaction related to the conflict in 404.
The first sphere is that of two protagonists engaged in kinetic conflict. Both are constrained by the capabilities of their fielded forces, the depth of national resources they can summon and commit, the additional resources made available to them by 3rd parties. This is the sphere that makes the news, that is debated on Telegram channels and in posts on MoA. It is volitional; at any time one or both protagonists may elect to call a halt to the conflict (with the recognition that one protagonist may be a proxy for an outside 3rd party ultimately responsible for any decision made).
The second sphere is global and much more diffuse. It concerns issues occurring largely outside of the conflict zone. The range of decision inputs and constraints is global and beyond accurate calculation. This is the sphere of what is called economic transaction occurring between state parties, between corporate entities and between individual citizens.
While state actors may hold the belief that they assert a degree of control, such control is illusory. An example is found in Germany where the sales of inefficient forced air electric space heaters has increased by 30%. Citizens fearful of the coming cold winter have acted to protect themselves against the cold. But the consequent electrical demand has the potential to destabilize the electrical grid.
How is the state to control the usage of such devices by its citizens? Send police door to door to inspect each dwelling? Depend on one neighbour informing on another? Use military reconnaissance flights and IR sensors to identify dwellings of above average temperature?
According to published data the German Greens are hostile to RF pipeline gas because they are hostile to all hydrocarbons; they want to protect the environment. Some percentage of the population will be receptive to Green arguments; these person will go to woodlands and scavenge firewood for the home hearth. Or a “Green” entrepreneur will obtain the wood and will sell it from roadside stands.
This sounds like a reasonable and responsible “Green” solution. But burning wood releases significant CO2. Woods is as dirty as coal. The home hearth and fireplace are an inadequate source of heat as the design sends the heat up the chimney and draws cold air into the dwelling. The pulse of CO2 injected into the atmosphere today will be removed from the atmosphere after forest regrowth over a 20 year time span. But if firewood is needed next year then that 20 year recovery is pushed back by a year.
It becomes impossible to calculate the full range of individual responses to fundamental changes in a complex interconnected global trading regime. Western lived experience has, with minor interludes, been one of uninterrupted stasis and positive economic well-being. That comfortable nullity is about to be replaced by a vastly different lived experience, one well beyond our comprehension or understanding.
There will be demands to “Nuke the Slavs.” Look what they have done to us (and omitting the roles of Brandon, Trudeau, Macron, Scholtz, and Ursula von de Tzu).
How can such a response to energy poverty deliver a solution? If you are dependent on foreign hydrocarbons and then you destroy the infrastructure delivering those hydrocarbons, why do you expect to be better off? From a “Green” perspective how do you expect to eat if you destroy the source of fertilizer, pollute some of the most fertile land on the planet, and create dust clouds sure to block out the sun needed for crop production?
If the West is fighting this conflict on the basis of better propaganda, it must soon become evident that no amount of propaganda can paper over bad decisions and the weight of reality.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 17 2022 14:00 utc | 193

> Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2022 13:05 utc | 6
That may play a role, but there is also a much more mundane reason. The soldiers’ pay is distributed through their superiors. That means that if superiors do not report their subordinates as killed, the money will keep flowing with noone to collect it.

Posted by: Zweckpessimist | Sep 17 2022 14:11 utc | 194

The first nuke to fly will probably be the result of some similar ‘creative writing’ from the ‘sources’ of sensibility at Reuters Inc.

Posted by: Kevin Quinn | Sep 17 2022 17:11 utc | 195

The Rand report is fake I guess, because Rand says so – so I guess that settle it. It does seem to be unlikely that the US government would allow such a report – if they ever commissioned such – to see the light of day.
However the alleged report simply regurgitates well known and conventional geopolitical theories that have guided British and US foreign policy for a long time. Opposed the dominance of Europe by any one power.
Given this basic idea, it’s always been surprising that the US has appeared to support the EU. The EU would appear to be a gross example of allowing a single power to dominate Europe.
However, the reality is that the US still controls Nato and through Nato ensures that there is no independent military power in Europe. In that sense one just assumes that the EU is administering Europe as a caretaker.
So the reason the Rand report seems believable is because it presents a reasonable argument that makes sense in a world in which the hollowing out of the US has proceeded so far, that a Europe that used to be viewed as an asset must now be viewed as a potential competitor.
Thus you have V. Nulands famous “F**k the EU” quote as being a reasonable expression of at least a faction with in the US foreign policy establishment (such as it is)

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Sep 17 2022 18:48 utc | 196

( in other news – Colombia & Venezuela to Reopen Border – poor little Guaidó )
Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 17 2022 3:21 utc | 174
According to the UK high Court- Juan Guiado controls the $1B in Venezuelan gold. Poor indeed. 🙂

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Sep 17 2022 19:36 utc | 197

It appears that most of the movement along the front is Ukraine attacking. This gives the impression that Ukraine is winning. Before coming to that conclusion it is worthwhile considering: 1. Usually, the attacker needs 3X the number of troops to be successful in an attack. 2. Also, the attacker usually takes the greater causalities.
One of Russia’s objectives for their “Special Military Operation” (SMO) is to demilitarize Ukraine. This can happen by Russia taking over territory. This does not look to be the main Russian strategy. It appears that Russia is allowing the AFU to come to them where they have much superior artillery and air support. The reports over the last weeks have been of high AFU losses. This is consistent with the attacker usually taking greater causalities. Now the “gut” has been cut off in the center of the Ukrainian Kherson offensive by the taking out of several dam areas upstream. The Russians are naming this salient the “gut”. The gut is where food gets digested. Perhaps the Russians named this areas the “gut” because there they are digesting a lot of Ukrainian troops there.
If Russia can have the AFU come to the front lines (the zero) to be slaughtered, this serves their overall objectives just fine. Maybe this is one reason the Russians are allowing Ukrainian helicopters safe air space to evacuate their wounded.
Meanwhile, it looks like the Russians are weak and unable to mount any meaningful offensive. The day may come when Russia has felt that it has ground enough of the Ukrainian forces, and it is time to mobilize. Until then, we wait and allow such commentaries as this one guide us to some understanding in the fog of war.
Whenever Russia does mobilize, it will be remarkable and decisive. Most likely it will be in the Donbass area since another goal of the SMO is to “liberate” both Luhansk and Donetsk. Neither the Kherson nor the Kharkov areas were part of the original SMO objectives.

Posted by: young | Sep 18 2022 0:36 utc | 198

Today the 17th of September seven civilians killed and many injured in the shelling of Donetsk city clearly this new fangled ” SMO” is not working but regressing as now the lead prosecutor of Lugansk province and his assistant have also been killed by ukronazi shelling.
Denis Pushilin PM of DR would be wise to bring in North Korean troops to clear out the nazis and let the allied forces retreat to lick their wounds.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Sep 18 2022 1:58 utc | 199

I just asked a colleague who speaks russian what that cross with the 17 dead says. It does not say they are UK soldiers. Does not mean this propaganda is not legit prop, but still….

Well then what does it say?

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 18 2022 10:18 utc | 200