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September 1, 2022
The Pizza Ad Guy Is Dead

The guy in that Pizza advertisement is dead.


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His biggest mistake was his gullibility towards 'western' economist and leaders. It came at a catastrophic cost for the people in the former states of the Soviet Union. The Russians in general hated him for this. The 'western' leaders lauded him for what he has done for them.

Gilbert Doctorow has written a decent obituary:

[H]istory is always being reinterpreted in light of current developments. As I commented in my interview, the achievements and failures of Gorbachev in power must now be reevaluated in light of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, which is the largest and most dangerous military conflict on the European continent since 1945.

This war follows directly from the break-up of the Soviet Union, which Gorbachev failed to prevent, though he did his best. Indeed, in the spring of 1991 he oversaw a referendum on the issue and won support from the population for continuation of the USSR. However, his playing off the right and left forces within the Politburo and within the Party at large over a number of years, the deceptions he practiced to get his way, finally caught up with him and laid the way in the summer of 1991 for the Putsch by rightists intent on restoring Soviet orthodoxy, which in turn so weakened Gorbachev that he was easily pushed aside by Boris Yeltsin. Destruction of the Union was Yeltsin’s instrument for achieving the complete removal of Gorbachev from power and setting out on a course of economic reform and de-Communization that was anathema to the leaders of the more conservative Soviet republics.

I direct attention to Gorbachev’s greatest failure which resulted not from the conspiracies of his compatriots but from his own peculiar naivete in his dealings with the United States, meaning with Reagan, with Bush and their minions. The man who had shown such cunning in outfoxing his Politburo colleagues was completely outfoxed by his American and European interlocutors. Had he been more cautious to protect Soviet-Russian interests, he would have demanded and likely received much better terms of compensation for the withdrawal of Soviet forces from all of Eastern Europe and disbanding the Warsaw Pact. Had he been less gullible and more realistic, he would have demanded written treaties setting in concrete the prohibition of NATO expansion to the East and, or, he would have left Soviet garrisons in each of these states to ensure compliance. As it was, the Americans who gave him verbal assurances knew full well that they were meaningless and were perplexed at the Kremlin’s failure to defend strategic national interests.

These are the sins which patriotic Russians hold against Gorbachev today, even as they acknowledge his astonishing feats in freeing Soviet citizens from the totalitarian yoke of the past through glasnost and perestroika.

Thirty five years ago Robert Scheer published a review of Gorbachov's Manifesto. Consortiumnews has republished it. It helps us to understand why Gorbachev was gullible and failed:

When Mikhail S. Gorbachev comes to the United States next month for his summit conference with President Reagan, he will convey the main theme of this book: The Soviet Union is now in the grip of a new realism about its domestic crisis and world priorities.

His top foreign policy advisers are convinced that the “new thinking” of perestroika in foreign affairs has permitted a breakthrough on arms control beyond the signing of a ban on intermediate range nuclear force (INF) missiles. They speak openly of a dramatic deal to halve each side’s strategic missile force in return for continued strict observance of the existing Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.

Perestroika, or restructuring, as vividly and conversationally described in this remarkable manifesto, is based on a profound criticism of the “stagnation” of Soviet society and an insistence on radically reordering its essential economic mechanisms. But perestroika requires for its success a breeze of glasnost blowing through the country’s stultified intellectual and political life.

The more dramatic changes revolve around the other magic word of Gorbachev’s revolution: glasnost, or openness. […]

The connection between glasnost and perestroika is [..] vital, Gorbachev writes: “Today our main job is to lift the individual spiritually, respecting his inner world and giving him moral strength.” And, he adds, in italics no less, “in short we need broad democratization of all aspects of society.”

That did not work well in the Soviet Union which had zero democratic traditions and none of the institutions that are needed to develop a real democracy.

Later Scheer comes to the international part of the Manifesto. He criticizes some of it to then write:

Basically, Gorbachev argues that the time of the Cold War is over and that the Soviet Union and the United States no longer have a military avenue for pursuing their differences. It is a point not very different than that made by President Richard M. Nixon in his book, “The Real Peace,” which holds that war, either nuclear or conventional, isn’t any longer an option: “Peace is the only option,” Nixon wrote. Gorbachev puts it somewhat differently: “Having entered the nuclear age … mankind has lost its immortality.” He adds:

“Clausewitz’s dictum that war is the continuation of policy only by different means, which was classical in his time, has grown hopelessly out of date. It now belongs to the libraries. … Security can no longer be assured by military means–neither by the use of arms or deterrence, nor by continued perfection of the ‘sword’ and ‘shield.’ Attempts to achieve military superiority are preposterous.”

That belief was and is delusional. The U.S. did not swallow that bullshit and, being rid of the former competing power, it proceeded to menace the world more than ever:

The United States has conducted nearly 400 military interventions since 1776, according to innovative research by scholars Sidita Kushi and Monica Duffy Toft.

Until the end of the Cold War, note Kushi and Toft, U.S. military hostility was generally proportional to that of its rivals. Since then, “the U.S. began to escalate its hostilities as its rivals deescalate it, marking the beginning of America’s more kinetic foreign policy.” This recent pattern of international relations conducted largely through armed force, what Toft has termed “kinetic diplomacy,” has increasingly targeted the Middle East and Africa. These regions have seen both large-scale U.S. wars, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, and low-profile combat in nations such as Burkina Faso, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, Chad, and Tunisia.

From the abstract of the published study:

According to MIP, the US has undertaken almost 400 military interventions since 1776, with half of these operations undertaken between 1950 and 2019. Over 25% of them have occurred in the post-Cold War period.

Those were 100 intervention after the cold war during which the U.S. tried to implement its policies by military means.

And Gorbachev had thought doing such "hopelessly out of date". His failure to understand that real power flows from the sword was a major defect in his thinking.

His belief was the reason why he fell for sweet 'western' assurances without making sure that they were enforceable. The current proxy war the U.S. is waging against Russia is a direct consequence of this.

As such: Good riddance.

Comments

it is easy to shit on gorbachev….. at the time he could be accused of being naive and idealistic, not recognizing the nature of his opposition..
in reading michael hudsons latest book, he basically suggests financial control is what is sought.. if you have that, you don’t need to go to war… it seems that is what is at stake here at this moment… unfortunately neither gorbachev or a lot of ordinary people today see the extreme importance of this… there is always some evil lurking in the future… very few are capable of foreseeing it either…

Posted by: james | Sep 1 2022 17:46 utc | 1

History is filled with tragic figures, Gorbachev was one. But when it comes to the USSR’s dissolution, many are guilty, Lenin and Stalin foremost. So, there’s lots of blame to be spread around, Gorbachev was just the easiest one to point out.
Soon, the Outlaw US Empire will be in worse shape than the former USSR, and who will be blamed for that result? As with the USSR, the list is long; but to be sure, whoever’s POTUS will get the blame.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2022 17:54 utc | 2

Lenin and Stalin found Russia a broken wreck and made it into the world’s foremost power of its day. Gorbachev represented a political project which consciously sought to destroy that.

Posted by: Cesare | Sep 1 2022 18:14 utc | 3

When the enemies of your country love you and the citizens of your country hate you, then what are you to your country? Gorbachev is unanimously sanctified in Western press while democratically elected Russian president Putin is vilified. No country needs weak and gullible leaders like Gorbachev. Good riddance indeed.

Posted by: xor | Sep 1 2022 18:15 utc | 4

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2022 17:54 utc | 2
How were Stalin and Lenin foremost guilty for the dissolution of the USSR? They were both leaders who built the USSR and you can criticize the mistakes they made but dissolution of the USSR is not one of them. Certainly if you want to criticize either or both you need to do this more critically. Lenin had to build a system from scratch against the background of the first world war and the civil war with interventions by the west. This was a huge task. Stalin, whom I do not admire at all, had to raise the Russian empire from a simple agrarian society to a highly developed industrial one, also in his later years on the background of the second world war and against the most advanced industrialized country but also having to keep an eye on the west even though it was supposedly an ally.
I sort of understand where you are coming from but it just so happens that Gorbachev was the directly responsible not only for the dissolution, but the lack of vision to make the most out of it and protect Russia.

Posted by: Orage | Sep 1 2022 18:21 utc | 5

how does a person not know the nature of the enemy from watching Vietnamese villages being napalmed? from watching the US cultivate the mujahideen? from the etc, etc, etc that the US engaged in from ’45 to ’89? gullibility and naivete are excuses. Gorbachev and co didn’t “misread” the enemy. They capitulate and happily took their supersized pizza slices. What else is there to know about the man Gorbachev than his appearance in that obscene commercial? he met his doppelgängers in Maggie and Ronnie.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 18:22 utc | 6

Álvaro Cunhal on the resignation of Michail Gorbatchov (December 26, 1991)
These are serious events, not only for the peoples of the Soviet Union, wich are already suffering consequenvies, but also for workers and people around the world.
https://arquivos.rtp.pt/conteudos/conferencia-de-imprensa-de-alvaro-cunhal-11/

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 1 2022 18:25 utc | 7

To be fair, R.I.P. Mikhail, even the smartest Russian was totally unaware of the level of hatred towards their country. Only since Maidan has western contempt, deceit and outright wickedness raised fully its ugly head.

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 1 2022 18:29 utc | 8

@ crapitect 9
You offering to go to the frontline numbnuts?

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 1 2022 18:40 utc | 9

I think Russian criticism is warranted, I think it was indeed vanity and perhaps a bit of hubris that got him. Raygun himself said trust but verify. Raygun had that old Jimmy Stewart act down.
But at the same time I have to give him credit, and Yeltsin has his own huge share of the blame, and its been a while since any western leader looked much better. And the perfidy of the West in all this still causes many brains to lock up.
What I notice is Putin pays his respects to both.
I say Rest In Peace. There are better things to do than kick Gorbachov one more time.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 1 2022 18:48 utc | 10

It took a capable and gifted leader, Putin, to start to repair the catastrophic damage done to Russia by gullible and drunken clowns like Gorbachev and Yeltsin. At the time the damage appeared irreparable, and there are limits to what even a Putin could achieve. In all this time, Washington’s objectives and intentions and those of its satellites have remained remarkably consistent. The destruction and break up of the Russian Federation into a dozen or so statelets treated as African resource colonies run by comprador oligarchs, coupled with a general depopulation. Indeed the Polish president recently called for the population of Russia to be reduced to 50 million. How this was to be achieved and the fate of the other 100 million people was not explained. The current western “decolonisation” plans for Russia bear a remarkable similarity to the Nazi General Plan Ost of 1941 vintage. 60% of Russians (and, incidentally 85% of Poles), were to “disappear” like the Red Indians, though this would still leave a sizeable rump of expendable slave labour to be used in the new colonies of “Muscovy”, “Ukraine”. “Caucasus”, and the like, with sizeable chunks being gifted to Finland, Romania, and even Japan. It took rivers of blood to prevent this; it is taking great further bloodshed to prevent the implementaion of such plans in their current incarnation.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 1 2022 18:57 utc | 11

osted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 18:22 utc | 6
I don’t want to shit on Gorbachev, but it is hard to believe he was this naive about the US.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 19:00 utc | 12

All these “big man” assertions about who built the Soviet Union!
The 1917 revolution was made by the people of Russia, guided by the Bolshevik party under the leadership of Lenin and Trotsky. But the expected continuation of the revolt in Europe, esp. in Germany, was stillborn.
This gave Stalin an opening to pervert the gains of the revolution and hand them over in deals with the capitalists of the West. Stalin was Gorby’s precursor, looking to put the oligarchs back in power.
Putin’s remarks about the dissolution of the USSR being a tragedy are echoed by many Russians. And now, I would imagine, by many people around the globe witnessing USA/NATO’s bloodthirsty attempts to plunder the world’s resources for the benefit of the elite cabal.

Posted by: lindaj | Sep 1 2022 19:01 utc | 13

The word perestroika itself says that it cannot be done. You just cannot rebuild without destroying the structure. If you destroy the structure, you destroy the country. Gorbaczow didn’t appear to see it.

Posted by: rp | Sep 1 2022 19:03 utc | 14

Gorbachev was a breath of fresh air…that gave the Russian people pnuemonia. Their state was already in the process of collapse, but he hastened it.

Posted by: Mikhail | Sep 1 2022 19:03 utc | 15

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2022 17:54 utc | 2
I agree karlof, and the more so if we move on from this to realise that Russia swallowed the hard medicine and came out stronger. In the end blind and unthinking adherence to an un-evolving ideology was a dead end. Soviet communism had had its day and was no longer suited to fighting the class struggle because the enemy had become what Jameson called ‘late capitalism’ (i.e., no longer the big capital facing off the working class of the 19th-early 20th centuries), a very different beast indeed. How the Left has tried to reorganise itself to address this foe is another of the world’s tragedies (if not farce if one thinks of the parliamentary ‘Left’ in the West generally).
Thus, by going through the cold turkey of withdrawal from ideology, Russia was able to see if it could emerge again with its advances intact and yet with a redefined identity. And, not untypically of Russian history, it was a quasi-Tsar who achieved just that. Putin has been the Russian Augustus to Gorbachev’s Julius Caesar: the latter could hardly have known how to transition the USSR out of atrophy without a clear model. b calls it naivety, but it’s easy to make the accusation with the benefit of 35 years. It was Putin who was able to harness the hindsight, a man forged by the USSR but thrown clear of it through the 90s to learn one key truth advantageous to Russia: the West was now the bloc caught in blind and unthinking adherence to an un-evolving ideology, namely Liberalism.
So, speaking of naivety, as I watch Annalena Baerbock explain how she will continue Germany’s support of Ukraine despite the wishes of German voters, I become acutely aware of the stultifying effect of Liberalism, which has now abandoned any pretence to ‘democracy’ in favour of a transcendent morality (‘the right thing to do’), thus revealing itself to be the most abject form of ideology mystification. It will be as ruinous for contemporary Europe as Nazism was for Germany, or late communism was for the DDR and USSR; if current prognostications are right, perhaps worse.
If then the tragedy was Gorbachev as the naive Julius Caesar screwing up the res publica for want of a different mental frame for thinking through contemporary realities, then the real farce and clown show that followed are the consequences of late liberal capitalism corroding the West from within. Russia made it through (we never doubted she would!) because Putin has been able to salvage what was best of the Soviet era and build it into a new framework of Russian sovereignty by slowing excising the corrosive ideology, just as Augustus found the formula for articulating the new realties of the Roman world without jettisoning what really made Rome an effective power in the first place (namely, that the idea of ‘Rome’ had to break with the model of Mediterranean city-state to become larger territorial governance). What Putin has achieved in 20 years is actually quite astonishing and achieved with an extraordinary inclusive diplomacy. I do not see this ever happening in the West, where the cold truths of the world will steamroller its retarded social and political culture—the moronic nature of wokism, the bubbles of educated middle class banality, the complete failure to understand history, the vacuousness of social media. There will be no renaissance in the west like the one Putin has wrought in Russia. Liberalism is a far more tenacious and pernicious ideology than Nazism and Bolshevism ever were.
Gorbachev then was, perhaps, a necessary tragedy from which Russia has emerged in a better position than it might have been had the Soviet form been retained. Now it remains to be seen whether the West can similarly re-emerge after the coming collapse of liberalism, and do so without a real despotism. I can’t see it. If Russia had one tragic Gorbachev we seem to be ruled by scores of lesser clownish copies, less tragic, but more depressing.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 1 2022 19:06 utc | 16

“Security can no longer be assured by military means”
Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen… their people likely have a different view, as would their leaders, had they not all been murdered, Assad being the single notable exception thus far.
While the selective list above proves that defeat certainly can be inflicted by military means, victory cannot be assured by military means alone. China knows this, and Russia is doing its best to balance that truth into its calculus.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 1 2022 19:13 utc | 17

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 19:16 utc | 17
I mean I largely agree with you. as another poster pointed out, Gorbachev is almost deified in the west, hated in Russia.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 19:19 utc | 18

I’m surprised the Charles Koch foundation financed that study of US interventions. I would quibble with some of the ways the study classified the interventions, i don’t have nearly as rosy a view of US motivations in intervening and Greece and Italy after world war 2, or see its motivations ever including altruism, but the numbers seem solid.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 19:22 utc | 19

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 1 2022 18:48 utc | 9
I would say Putin has better things to do right now than concern himself with the state of the propaganda war in the West, but I think it is a live issue in the US and NATO countries. the narrative around Reagan-Gorbachev and the breakup of the USSR is intimately connected to the justifications for the proxy war, and it needs deconstructing imo.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 19:25 utc | 20

@11 Pretzel
Our propaganda is everywhere, all pervasive and almost omnipotent.
Perception is power and the US had hollywood.
If you don’t believe it watch how people in the enlightened west vote now… see?

Posted by: S.O. | Sep 1 2022 19:31 utc | 21

The blame for the collapse of the Soviet Union should be shared by those that followed Stalin, a pre-selected bunch of mediocrities given Stalin’s habit of killing off the gifted around him. They allowed alternative power bases to develop due to the lack of rotation of personnel, removed incentives for the more productive worker (yes, these existed under Stalin), and allowed corruption free reign while using fossil fuel foreign earnings to be wasted on the import of consumer goods and food that the Soviet Union was unable to produce. Gorbachev just finished the job, aided by Yeltsin, through a somewhat controlled implosion.
Stalin forced the collectivization necessary to produce the surplus to drive the industrialization of the USSR, carried out in 10 years just in time to stop the Germans. If you read Stalin’s speeches you regularly find him speaking about the necessity of the USSR to industrialize so that it could defeat the Germans/West that wanted to destroy socialism. He had many faults (some greatly exaggerated by Western propaganda) but on balance he was an effective leader who did what was required to beat the German/Western threat. To blame Stalin for the collapse of the USSR is like blaming the builder for the collapse of a house he built left to decay by its new owners.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 1 2022 19:32 utc | 22

I cannot disagree in principle with the premise of MoA’s article.
Nevertheless, i wonder whether Gorbachev has been unnecessarily vilified for putting lipstick rhetoric on the reality that the USSR pig had little if any leverage left, being broke and dysfunctional to the point where declaring defeat was merely a matter of how it would be sold to the public.
Perhaps all that peace-loving and hopeful post-cold-war rhetoric was just that: masking the reality of a defeated system that could no longer sustain itself.
Let us not forget, that for every rapacious Western capitalist, there had to be an equally depraved, opportunist, unpatriotic Soviet, willing to sell out his country for personal gain.
I doubt Gorbachov can be personally blamed for that, though being not only familiar, but also responsible and in charge of that system, i understand why Russians still resent him for facilitating circumstances that would have led to so many tragic events.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 1 2022 19:35 utc | 23

pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 19:19 utc | 18
someone else posting as me.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 19:38 utc | 24

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/08/30/mikhail-gorbachev-r-i-p/
“Reagan, despite the CIA’s opposition and that of the US military/security complex, carried out his plan not in order to win the cold war but as Reagan repeatedly stressed to all of us involved to end the Cold War. None of us, Reagan included, had any idea of Soviet collapse. Our purpose was to halt a gratuitous conflict that threatened humanity with nuclear Armageddon.
What we did not realize was that hardline elements of the Soviet Communist Party thought that Gorbachev was making too many concessions to the West too soon without sufficient reciprocal concessions and guarantees. Apparently, Gorbachev himself did not realize it.”

Also:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/09/01/how-the-cold-war-was-resurrected/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/08/31/pcr-interviewed-by-russian-media-on-mikhail-gorbachev/
I posted these links on the Open thread but then b just offered this thread about Gorbie. I think his last sentence is a little harsh, but no matter.
PCR again from the cold war article:
“It took the neoconservatives time. They had to isolate and marginalize other foreign policy views, monopolize policy positions in the Defense and State departments and National Security Council and use the CIA’s control of the media to form and control the narrative.
If Reagan and Gorbachev had foreseen these developments, they would have had prescience beyond human capability.
The conclusion seems clear. The Politburo destroyed the Soviet Union by arresting Gorbachev.
The removal of the Soviet constraint on Washington’s unilateralism gave the neoconservatives the opportunity to achieve the hegemony they desired, and they took it.”

Some may feel he is exonerating himself from blame, which is quite reasonable, but it doesn’t mean that his point about prescience is without merit. That said, I agree with b that there should have been a Treaty signed (not that it would have made any difference most likely).
In any case, if Gorbie is so guilty of insouciance, then so are pretty much all the citizens in Europe and the US for allowing neocons and their ilk to take over their nations and turn them into Money Power ruled basket cases.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 1 2022 19:39 utc | 25

Gorbachev was the last of Soviet Russia’s mistakes. As such, he gets the greatest blame–and yet, he was the best of Soviet Russia’s mea culpas.
Kruschev admitted that Stalin’s policies were a critical mistake.
Even that’s an admittance that every US Preznit after Eisenhower has been unable to make.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 1 2022 19:48 utc | 26

Four “gravediggers of the USSR” died in 2022. Mikhail Gorbachev was the last to leave.
The three “gravediggers of the USSR”, who went before Gorbachev in 2022 was, ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, ex-head of Belarus Stanislav Shushkevich, ex-secretary of state of the Russian Federation Gennady Burbulis.

Posted by: rp | Sep 1 2022 19:54 utc | 27

Although by taking Gorbatchev in isolation, we adhere to the theory of a “ruler” or “big man who is responsible, I wonder if we should take more into account the division within the Soviet system. The peasants and the Nomenklatura. Some 750’000 people had acquired all the power within the soviet stucture. These were the replacements for the old aristocracy (1.5 million). They would later on go on to become the leaders in the financial mafias that ruined Russia under Yeltsin.
Gorbatchev would have only moved in a “proto-liberal clique” with many of the same nasty habits as we see in today’s Oligarchies. Money, money, me, me, power and privilege. They would have been the “foil” by which he judged his own actions – not the mass of peasants. (Note; one reason that Stalin had such a big army, was to teach them how to drive and do basic maintenance, read and other useful “modern” necessities, ie educate them.).
Yes, he must have been too trusting of the US but he may have thought that they would react in the same way as the Nomenklatura, and think mainly of their own personal privileges and bank accounts, leaving Russia as she was.
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Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 1 2022 19:56 utc | 28

Scipio Aemilianus, the Roman general who defeated and destroyed Carthage in the Third Punic War, wept over the destruction of that city. He knew, and told advisers like Polybius, that, without a powerful rival like Carthage, Rome was bound to degenerate.
Just so, America needed a rival like the Soviet Union. Without it, we have only degenerated.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 1 2022 19:59 utc | 29

Any talk about the Soviet Union being ready to die ignores the FACT that the 1991 referendum overwhelmingly showed massive support from Soviet citizens for the union.
The USSR didn’t “collapse” it was demolished. And the traitors that signed the dissolution were bribed by the US to do so.
The citizens who voted to keep their union were right. Since the destruction of the USSR the looting, impoverishment, deaths and emigration in the former republics show that they were right.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 1 2022 20:09 utc | 30

@Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 1 2022 19:48 utc | 28

Kruschev admitted that Stalin’s policies were a critical mistake.

Khrushchev lied.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 1 2022 20:14 utc | 31

“Enemy of the State” final segment. At Time stamp 3:53 of this video, after a disaterous CIA operations, the only two surviving CIA operatives, under FBI interrogation, shapeshifting their failure to “Training Ops”. Similarly here, the Kherson Counteroffensive failure is called “war-gaming”, after thousands of Ukrainian soldiers died after US War-gaming.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/31/politics/ukraine-us-wargames-counteroffensive/index.html/
US war-gamed with Ukraine ahead of counteroffensive and encouraged more limited mission
Katie Bo Lillis Natasha Bertrand
By Katie Bo Lillis and Natasha Bertrand, CNN
Updated 9:33 AM EDT, Thu September 1, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fe1rk0T4PU
Enemy of the state(p2)
Feb 16, 2010

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 1 2022 20:24 utc | 32

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 19:38 utc | 25
27 is not me. the little force of trolls are stealing names again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 20:29 utc | 33

Lysias | Sep 1 2022 19:59 utc | 31
Rome was never more peaceful than when Hannibal was marching on its gates, was it? even though it is better to “busy giddy minds with foreign broils”.
that ‘war=peace’ is an idea with a very ancient history. the hominid who clubs his neighbor with a bone 1st has peace.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 20:31 utc | 34

Two minutes of non-hate
Finnish media, like all Western media, has for the last six months been spewing Russophobic hatred 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I avoid the mainstream media, but I sometimes come across the news on the car radio.
Today I had the radio tuned into the 3 o’clock news from the Finnish state broadcasting corporation YLE, the most Russophobic of them all.
I was surprised that there was no “hate Russia” story. Instead, the last item was a neutral story, that the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin will not be attending the funeral of Mikhail Gorbachev, because of scheduling issues. He had said his farewells at the hospital earlier today.
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There is a saying among Finnish workers, that if the employers agree with you, then you must be doing something wrong.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 1 2022 20:35 utc | 35

Mikhael Gorbatchov was in favour of open and frank discussion to reform a failing system. Western society still has not advanced to the point where policy failure can be discussed.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 1 2022 20:40 utc | 36

Test

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 20:40 utc | 37

Dmitry Orlov has a good take on Russian leaders weak and strong on his obit for Dugina, he has it available in full:
Ukrainian terrorists assassinate daughter of Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin
2022-08-22
https://cluborlov.wordpress.com/

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 1 2022 20:42 utc | 38

pretzelattack | Sep 1 2022 20:29 utc | 36
sartrian flies are abuzz amidst the vermin rot. we’ll have to let b sort it, if possible, since a god kissing carrion breeds maggots in a dead dog.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 1 2022 20:52 utc | 39

Passerby | Sep 1 2022 20:40 utc | 39
Yes, the irony is that a “frank and open discussion” was not what was required to reform the failing system. Perestroika should have preceeded Glasnost, not the other way around. He was a good human being and a poor leader.

Posted by: Сергей | Sep 1 2022 21:05 utc | 40

What seemed impossible — the fall of the Soviet Union — only took six years under Gorbachev’s “leadership.” Nothing is permanent, political systems can also be quite temporary.
It can happen to the USA too. You had a taste of it in the Trump years, and now with the demented regime of Joe Biden. Some Americans think, it might happen in 10, 20 years, but it might happen overnight as with Gorbachev, in 4-5 years.

Posted by: rp | Sep 1 2022 21:05 utc | 41

Posted by: rp | Sep 1 2022 19:03 utc | 13
Very sharp observation, the word says it all if only one pays some attention. To reconstruct destruction is a prerequisite.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 1 2022 21:14 utc | 42

Posted by: rp | Sep 1 2022 19:03 utc | 13
Very sharp observation, the word says it all if only one pays some attention. To reconstruct destruction is a prerequisite.
Posted by: Paco | Sep 1 2022 21:14 utc | 46
I give it until April of next year. The Mid-Terms are this year, and there is no indication they will happen at all. After this, then let the “societal reorganization” begin.

Posted by: Mann Friedmann | Sep 1 2022 21:35 utc | 43