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September 18, 2022
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-152

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

> American officials believe they have, so far, succeeded at “boiling the frog” — increasing their military, intelligence and economic assistance to Ukraine step by step, without provoking Moscow into large-scale retaliation with any major single move. <

The ‘Wild Field’ Where Putin Sowed the Seeds of WarNew York Times – Sep 17

> Columns of dark green military trucks and American-made rocket launchers are thundering down the long, straight highways into the Donbas. But they will have a much harder fight on their hands.

“I’d go into the supermarket to buy some meat, and the shopkeeper tells me, ‘If you don’t speak Ukrainian, I’m not going to sell you any meat,’” Mr. Tsyhankov said. “I’ve been speaking Russian my whole life. How do you think that made me feel?”

At 9 p.m. on July 9, four cruise missiles slammed into a dormitory at the old ceramic plant. The buildings crumbled as if they were made out of sand. Viacheslav Boitsov, an emergency services official, said there were “no military facilities nearby.”

But according to Mr. Mohyla and Oleksandr Nevydomskyi, another Ukrainian military officer, Ukrainian soldiers were staying in that building.

Every night, the horizon in Chasiv Yar lights up with explosions. Ukrainian soldiers operate here almost as if they are on enemy territory, hiving themselves off from the public, watching their backs, traveling by night in long convoys of cars with the lights blacked out, the drivers wearing night vision goggles.

Russian sanctions slow to bite as US officials admit frustrations over pace of pain in MoscowCNN

> The hope had been that the sanctions would quickly choke off Russia’s war machine in Ukraine, making it difficult for the Kremlin to sustain its efforts on the battlefield — and perhaps even turn public opinion against the invasion when day-to-day life in Russian society became uncomfortable.

But the Russian economy has proven far more resilient than many top Biden administration officials had expected when they set out to punish the country in February, thanks largely to record-setting revenues it has reaped in the spring and summer from soaring energy prices. In the first 100 days of the war, Russia earned a record 93 billion euros in revenue by exporting oil, gas and coal, according to the Finnish Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air.

“We were expecting that things like SWIFT and all the blocking sanctions on Russia’s banks would totally crater the Russian economy and that basically, by now going into September, we’d be dealing with an economically much more weakened Russia than the one that we are dealing with,” said one senior US official, referring to the US and European decision to cut some Russian banks off from the SWIFT international banking system. <



Other issues:

Fakenews and Iran:

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, canceled all meetings and public appearances last week after falling gravely ill and is currently on bed rest under observation by a team of doctors, according to four people familiar with his health situation.

State television showed Khamenei, 83, standing as he spoke in a steady voice to his audience sitting on the floor about the importance of Arbaeen, a ceremony that marks the end of a 40-day mourning period for the grandson of the Prophet Mohammad, Imam Hussein.

Poor countries:

John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch – 17:51 UTC · Sep 16, 2022

NEW: income inequality in US & UK is so wide that while the richest are very well off, the poorest have a worse standard of living than the poorest in countries like Slovenia.
Essentially, US & UK are poor societies with some very rich people.
A thread:

Afghanistan:

Covid-19:

Use as open (not Ukraine) thread …

Comments

RTX | Sep 19 2022 6:14 utc | 98
“We can safely say that first world lifestyle makes westerners far more sucseptible to illness of all kinds.”
The answer to covid illness specifically, then to others is found in the links quoted in-
Gerrard White | Sep 18 2022 17:41 utc | 50
This is the ‘Hygiene hypothesis’
This, in my opinion, is not the whole answer, there is related generally poor lifestyle and health, and particularly poor diet largely the result of industrial agriculture

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 8:22 utc | 101

This is the ‘Hygiene hypothesis’
Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 8:22 utc | 101

H.L. Mencken satirized hygiene quacks a century ago.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2022 8:29 utc | 102

too scents | Sep 19 2022 8:29 utc | 102
Snake oil salesman one and almost all – but the obsession with clean is industrial era, no ? late 19thC invention of the soap industry and the urban primitive PMC rejection of rural values – the cleanliness is next to godliness of the modern Mayflower Maidens

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 8:35 utc | 103

The John Pilger link by b is a must read fellow barflies.
John Pilger cites two speeches by comrade Harold Pinter as follows:

In the years before he died in 2008, the playwright Harold Pinter made two extraordinary speeches, which broke a silence.
“U.S. foreign policy,” he said, is
“best defined as follows: kiss my arse or I’ll kick your head in. It is as simple and as crude as that. What is interesting about it is that it’s so incredibly successful. It possesses the structures of disinformation, use of rhetoric, distortion of language, which are very persuasive, but are actually a pack of lies. It is very successful propaganda. They have the money, they have the technology, they have all the means to get away with it, and they do.”
In accepting the Nobel Prize for Literature, Pinter said this:
“The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”
Pinter was a friend of mine and possibly the last great political sage – that is, before dissenting politics were gentrified. I asked him if the “hypnosis” he referred to was the “submissive void” described by Leni Riefenstahl.

Here is another speech in full at the Harold Pinter web site. He rendered these fine words on the acceptance of an Honorary Doctorate from Turin University on 27 November 2002.
And a further sharp quote:

However, I found that to emerge from a personal nightmare was to enter an infinitely more pervasive public nightmare – the nightmare of American hysteria, ignorance, arrogance, stupidity and belligerence; the most powerful nation the world has ever known effectively waging war against the rest of the world. “If you are not with us you are against us” President Bush has said. He has also said “We will not allow the world’s worst weapons to remain in the hands of the world’s worst leaders”. Quite right. Look in the mirror chum. That’s you.
The US is at this moment developing advanced systems of “weapons of mass destruction” and it prepared to use them where it sees fit. It has more of them than the rest of the world put together. It has walked away from international agreements on biological and chemical weapons, refusing to allow inspection of its own factories. The hypocrisy behind its public declarations and its own actions is almost a joke.

After the covid virus and the revelations of the biolabs in Ukraine, the hypocrisy of the USA ruling class and its military servants is no longer a joke – it is a crime against humanity.
Pinter’s pen was mightier than a thousand swords.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 19 2022 9:10 utc | 104

Armenia has a neocon president who suffers from the two bit loser curse.
Because of his aggressive lap dog yapping at Iran his nation has lost out big time.
https://journal-neo.org/2022/09/16/russia-azerbaijan-and-iran-accelerate-work-on-an-alternative-to-the-suez-canal/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 19 2022 9:18 utc | 105

Peter AU1 #2

Pilger – the submissive void. Everyone about me it seems has been led away by the pied piper.
They can all go the way of ukroids. I no longer care. Next day or two I’m going to camp beside a river.

You are not alone Peter, Pilger is with you, Pinter was with you, Assange is with you and there are thousands and millions more. Sometimes being in the west observing the “submissive void” is draining and difficult but sitting by a river is extremely good therapy. I sat by one last week and it is a favorite and very beautiful. The emus had sat in the reedy shores too only the night before but were long gone by the time I arrived.
I really wanted to see an echidna but no luck this time. They have a golden hue in the spring in that coastal zone.
May your river give you solace and revive your spirit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 19 2022 9:28 utc | 106

@K #94
You make many assumptions in your post – none of which are true.
For example: if COVID is a targeted biological weapon – why is it that Europeans have died at literal multiples of rates vs. any country in Asia, including the most dirt poor/shambolic ones?
So who exactly was it targeted for?
Secondly, differing performance is more explicable via very simple age and density models than the fancy pants garbage put out by the “experts”.
High density + high average age + high rates of obesity/comorbidity = high death rates.
Rich countries = more old people = more old people with serious comorbidities = high death rates.
Consider that the average 80 year old in the US takes 4 or more medications per day – that’s never a sign of great health even if you subtract the blood pressure one.
Yes, the presence of socialized and/or affordable health care helps but this factor is a fraction of the relative morbidity impact of comorbidities, age and density, in that order. That’s why COVID is actually very interesting from a demographic perspective: the richest countries have had high life expectancies due to the expansion of really old demographics. Age demographics in Somalia or South Africa are completely different, for example, as is the demographic in China.
As for unspeakable things: you clearly have never been in China.
It isn’t the Jewish experience in Nazi Germany, but the norms and standards of living are not something anyone Western can believe or understand without experiencing it.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 9:47 utc | 107

c1ue | Sep 19 2022 9:47 utc | 107
Your arguments are all skewed rich country paradigm
‘Dirt poor’ is a reasonable indicator of resistance/immunity to the bug – as per ‘dirt poor’ Africa
I take it you are referring to a rural lifestyle where roads and fields are muddy with dirt – and not the usual urban sneer
Nothing to do with ‘affordable health care’ – in countries where most people have no access to health care affordable or not
It’s not simply a question of age as if this was an indicator one could seperate from health – all you are saying is that these rich countires kept unhealthy people alive for longer
Besides the young in the same countries contracted and suffered from the bug very much more than in the poor – your young are almost as unhealthy, by way of comparison, as your old, if somewhat less numerous
Your only valid point may be ‘density’ – low density is usually the best protection against propagation – except that, as far I know, the large urban centers in Africa did not report significantly more infections deaths than the rural areas, or only to the degree that the rich livers of westielike lifestyles live in town
The US takes far too many drugs either directly or via the drugged animals they eat, they are victim of/to commercially propelled cleanliness obsessions, and adept at associating the imperatives of their drug consumption with a promise of the reward of heaven

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 10:09 utc | 108

…Video: Biden Arrives in London For Queen Elizabeth’s Funeral Almost no one showed up to greet him..” Well that being Joe Biden 2, nobody need greet him, being sprightly, with a firm stride and 20 years younger,

Posted by: Thomas Turk | Sep 19 2022 11:20 utc | 109

Re: COVID-19. Another country which seems to have weathered this very well is Vietnam, where:
– lockdowns were hard for some weeks (people needed permission papers to leave their homes, and only then for essential medical/food purposes),
– public messaging was strong (masks, sanitising, social distancing, no gatherings, health declaration for travellers)
– vaccinations were widespread using several different types, including astra-zeneca, Pfizer, and Sinopharm.
– death rate is around 435/million, which is worse than Japan, better than Australia – deaths continue at around one per day, and it is generally thought of as pretty much finished.
– masks continue to be worn in medical and public transport circumstances etc.

Posted by: Hope | Sep 19 2022 12:31 utc | 110

Is it just me but having just forced myself to stream OP LONDON BRIDGE live I have the following observations:
1. The “Queen Consort” looks very wobbly on her feet (query Parkinson’s?).
So much so that every spouse of the Royal Descendent(s) arrived & separately buy vehicle (interesting matchings?) but more importantly they did not depart the church & walk slightly behind their Royal Descended partners at the head of the Royal Procession.
2. Because of the apparent condition explained in 1. it is far to say the “Queen Consort” might have been unlikely to make the entire route of the Funeral Procession on foot.
They were clumsily inserted into the correct Oder of March before the Cenotaph.
3. Everyone took one for the King & his “Queen Consort” today & they did not look happy about that.
4 The Duke of Sussex looks like he will likely pick a very discreet fight with Prince Andrew before he leaves the Roual Court.
Nobody will blame him for that…despite what the Duke does with his private life. It will last one hit. You know who is going down by the body language.
5. Because of 1. It looked very odd to me. More of a Military Parade…& not a very big one at that. Did anybody see live footage of JB?

Posted by: Per Terram | Sep 19 2022 13:03 utc | 111

Happy Monday all.
Refreshing lack of flying army of trolls today!
Have they officially been given a day off for the Queens Funeral?
Correlation indicating not a coincidence ?
Anyway fabulous stuff from the barflies!
Too much to ingest in a few hours. Will need to bookmark and catch up on it later..
(Actually coincidentally we have developed real barflies at the bar in my club and am having to attend to a full deep clean – can’t get the experienced staff these days ! BrexShit)
Thanks all – riveting as usual.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 19 2022 13:28 utc | 112

Africa’s population is much younger and thus more resilient against Covid. Covid is not mild to those with comorbidities, that’s the whole point, or has fascist eugenics infected the left as well?
We’re not even mentioning long Covid, of which has effected 2 million Americans so severely that they cannot work. Each re-infection increases the odds of someone getting long Covid. When extrapolated to the general population, that is potentially many more millions of Americans who will get disabling long Covid. But, by all means, carry-on with your dismissive hand waving. Perhaps America deserves to find out.

Posted by: sluggo | Sep 19 2022 13:40 utc | 113

The US has a democracy and is not autocratic like those other nasty countries, the story goes. Meanwhile the US president has declared that the US military would sacrifice US lives meddling in China internal affairs.
AP
Biden said “yes” when asked during an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS News’s “60 Minutes” program whether “U.S. forces, U.S. men and women, would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 19 2022 13:41 utc | 114

It is odd to claim that poor people are more susceptible to Covid when we know for a fact that the rich countries had a higher death rate than poor countries. Do we just ignore facts to claim a pet theory?
And indeed, if poor people are more susceptible than the homeless population of the USA would be wiped out by now.
If you want to know why the US has such a high death rate from covid, follow the money. In early 2020 Congress passed the CARES Act, which pays hospitals a 20% bonus if they claim a diagnosis of covid. You don’t have to go any farther than that to explain the resulting sky high death rates.
As for “mutations” coronaviruses are relatively stable viruses, never known before 2020 for rapid mutations.
Personally, I value what the Russian MoD has to say about the odd behavior of the virus, which as you will recall, showed up in Wuhan, than Italy, than wiped out a bunch of Iranian legislators, then came to the US in a nursing home in Washington state, then spread through other nursing homes in New York, New Jersey and Michigan before making its way through NY City. The Russian MoD points out that that is not normal epidemiology. Nor is it normal for respiratory viruses to spread in the summer months, instead of “cold and flu season”. Nor is it normal for new “variants” to show up in various places and then spread throughout the US by the next week. Nor is it normal for respiratory viruses to spread when the population is in lockdown.
My thanks to Peter Watson who put this information on his VK blog, because you cannot find it easily using search engines.
To quote the Russia MoD:
“In May 2022, at a conference in Spain, Geoffrey Sachs – a leading expert at the prestigious medical journal The Lancet and a professor at Columbia University, the leading institution for global biosafety science – explained that “…the coronavirus was artificial and, with a high degree of likelihood, aided by American advances was generated in biotechnology … ”
According to our experts, this is reflected in the variability uncharacteristic of most coronaviruses, resulting in different peaks in incidence, significant differences in lethality and infectivity, uneven geographic spread, and the unpredictability of the epidemic process overall. Despite efforts to contain and isolate cases, the pandemic appears to be being artificially fueled by the exposure of new variants of the virus to this or that region.”

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 19 2022 13:54 utc | 115

Breaking:
Leak reported at German nuclear plant, possible repairs needed – environment ministry

BERLIN, Sept 19 (Reuters) – The operator of Germany’s Isar 2 nuclear power plant has informed the environment ministry of a leak at the site, which has not compromised security but could complicate the government’s winter energy plan, the ministry said on Monday.
A week-long repair period is needed, during which operations would come to a standstill, if the power plant is to operate beyond Dec. 31, the ministry added.
Isar 2, situated in the southern state of Bavaria, had been scheduled to go offline at the end of the year under Germany’s plan to phase out nuclear power.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/leak-reported-german-isar-ii-nuclear-plant-environment-ministry-2022-09-19/

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2022 14:03 utc | 116

Violence between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester. Started after a cricket match at the end of August, flared up again this weekend.
Masked young men, in better shape than the police, with no hope for a meaningful life, but aware of their ‘human rights’. The West better do something about this here economic crisis and fast
“Moment hundreds march through Leicester amid violent clashes between Hindus and Muslims – as police officers are relocated from Queen’s funeral duty to deal with unrest”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11226837/Moment-hundreds-march-Leicester-amid-violent-clashes-Hindus-Muslims.html

Posted by: glupi | Sep 19 2022 14:25 utc | 117

@Gerrard White #108
Sorry, but you are utterly wrong. Old people in Africa also died at high rates vs the younger.
There are a few really old people – mostly in the more stable countries there.
The hygiene thesis has some validity for allergy rates; it has very little relevance w/ respect to human immune reactions to an infectious organism.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 14:26 utc | 118

@Hope #110
Lockdowns definitely worked to postpone COVID spread in isolated countries (i.e. poor and/or small and/or little trade); it is far less clear that any country can afford to lockdown forever.
And as such, the question is: what is the actual overall impact of lockdowns vs. COVID deaths?
Even researchers in US institutions are noting that the net effect of lockdowns (i.e. deaths prevented from COVID spread vs. negative effects from lockdowns: business failures, increases in suicide/alcoholism/drug abuse, economic losses from job losses, school/socialization interruptions etc) is not clearly positive – and we are only starting year 3 after lockdowns.
Note that the above were exactly the questions I was asking in March 2020.
Ultimately, every nation will figure out what they want to do – but to say that COVID is preventable is ludicrous at this point.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 14:33 utc | 119

from Stripes, Sep 19. . .
Pentagon opens sweeping review of clandestine psychological operations

The Pentagon has ordered a sweeping audit of how it conducts clandestine information warfare after major social media companies identified and took offline fake accounts suspected of being run by the U.S. military in violation of the platforms’ rules.
Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defense for policy, last week instructed the military commands that engage in psychological operations online to provide a full accounting of their activities by next month after the White House and some federal agencies expressed mounting concerns over the Defense Department’s attempted manipulation of audiences overseas, according to several defense and administration officials familiar with the matter. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 19 2022 14:36 utc | 120

Big illegal Outlaw US Empire base within Syria struck by rocket attack after nearby base was hit with smaller assault. The report mentions many secondary explosions signifying important impacts. No mention of casualties, however.
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Asian economic growth to get further boost, “Full ratification of RCEP expected in near future as mega trade deal manifests as linchpin for global growth”, while the Outlaw US Empire’s proposed Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Prosperity (IPEF) and its kin are seen as “politically motivated empty shells.”
The RCEP establishes a free trade arena between ASEAN and China and is almost 100% ratified by ASEAN members. Members ratifying earliest like Malaysia experienced better than projected 2Q growth with “Malaysia’s economy expanded by 8.9 percent in the second quarter.”
All Global South nations have excellent memories of their involvement with IMF and World Bank “advice” and “help” which was always aimed at keeping them dependent on the Outlaw US Empire so they are very wary about entering any deals with such a disreputable partner–aside from those bribed to do so, which fortunately are a vanishing breed.
RCEP interacts with SCO in promoting trade in national currencies instead of dollars, helping the rate at which dedollarization occurs. Russia isn’t formally connected to RCEP but ought to be counted as one of its members given its interactions with ASEAN and China. India will also seek closer relations, and the breadth of RCEP’s activity will continue to move West across Asia to the Persian Gulf. It shouldn’t take much imagination to see how the growing integrated trade associations and logistical corridors will continue growing to become the planet’s most important commercial network by 2030, if not sooner. This development is what the Outlaw US Empire seeks to derail at all costs since it spells doom for its hegemony.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 15:18 utc | 121

Lavrov made the following important if brief remarks today to a gathering of foreign ambassadors accredited in Moscow:

The situation in the international arena is not getting any easier. We observe the accumulation of crisis processes, both related to economic policy, the sphere of energy supply of mankind, and to processes directly caused by the undermining of the foundations on which the entire system of globalization was based.
This requires additional contacts and explanations of each other’s positions. Thank you for responding to our invitation to have such a conversation. Hopefully it will be interactive. This is especially important on the eve of the UN General Assembly, which opened its 77th session in New York.
This week, high-level events begin, during which tough assessments of certain actions of various states will be heard – there is no getting away from this. At the same time, the United Nations was created not only for polemical exercises, but also to fulfill the requirements of its Charter, which prescribes, on the basis of respect for the sovereign equality of States, to seek collective solutions to international problems. [My Emphasis]

Hopefully, more info about this meeting will be released. Still no word on Lavrov and delegation getting their visas for UNGA Debate. IMO, this meeting was in anticipation that they won’t be forthcoming.
At the page about the “Opening remarks by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at the opening of the exhibition of archival records on the occasion of the 250th anniversary of the reunification of the peoples of Russia and Belarus,” was a link to the Archive of Foreign Policy of the Russian Empire, which was an organization/agency unknown to me that provides original sources for Russian history that ought to interest all historians, especially Russian specialists. For example, this page deals with the 1917 Revolution. And of course, everything’s in Russian.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 15:55 utc | 122

Picking up to the posts I made @82, 87 (fighting the last Ukrainian down to the last Puerto Rican), I have a few links to add:
US Navy assault ships arrive in Poland
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3158553/uss-kearsarge-lhd-3-and-uss-gunston-hall-lsd-44-arrive-in-poland/
Finnish citizen takes a detailed video of Kearsarge from its historic visit to Finland:
https://youtu.be/tMmZUN_O_9k
Detailed report of Hurricane Kay which delivered a years worth of rain to SoCal, and is the closest approach of a storm from the Pacific there in 50 years. Not much media coverage in Canada, I don’t think.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/tropical-storm-kay-unleashes-nearly-years-worth-of-rain-flash-flooding-in-socal/1245242
Cuba – Puerto Rico relations:
In June, Cuba expressed support at the UN for Puerto Rican independence
https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/06/20/cuba-reaffirms-at-un-support-for-puerto-rico-independence/
After that, Cuban solidarity group in Puerto Rico hits FBI harassment, defends rights. Reporting by Seth Calinsky and Matilde Zimmerman
https://themilitant.com/2022/09/17/cuba-solidarity-group-in-puerto-rico-hits-fbi-harassment-defends-rights/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2022 15:56 utc | 123

c1ue | Sep 19 2022 14:26 utc | 118
‘Old people in Africa also died at high rates vs the younger’
Where are you getting your statistics from ?
Of course older people are more fragile in Africa than younger ; this holds true everywhere and for everything : this is called stating the obvious under the illusion that it takes one to know one
– nonetheless by magnitudes both less old as less young died in Africa compared to EU US
What has ‘stability’, I guess you mean ‘political stability’ and not the solid foundations for health, got to do with it – this comes across as neo colonialist nose sniffing – or do you blame your continuing pandemic on the current instability in the EU US (the war, etc)
With regard to disparity of death rates : The only observable difference or rather significant difference is a matter of class and wealth ; the richer townies living an urban lifestyle copied on the westie died in greater number than the poorer out back country, but even here the numbers are tiny compared to EU
As for Africa, it is necessary to distinguish out the Sahel, very distinct, and South Africa, where a very much larger fraction of the population has lived the unhealthy westie way
You still have no explanation for the very much fewer infections and deaths here
Those who have written about the hygiene hypothesis disagree with your opinion – read the links I provided
« to say that COVID is preventable is ludicrous at this point. »
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 14:33 utc | 119
It seems to be preventable, or rather avoidable, very nearly, in sub saharan A – or are you a conspiracy theorist ?

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 16:01 utc | 124

Back from Samarkand, Putin dives again directly into the federal budget process, this meeting being the second session for today. His important remarks:

I would like to emphasise that when drafting the federal budget, it is necessary, of course, to take into account objective factors that directly affect its revenue side. I am referring to the domestic macroeconomic situation, as well as the state of affairs in the global commodity and financial markets.
Let me repeat that the changes and trends in this area are of a long-term nature, and here we must propose systemic mechanisms and give effective answers to the challenges for the entire sphere of public finances.
It is important to maintain the policy of stability and balance of the federal budget for the next three years and in the future, which will allow us to confidently and consistently solve the tasks set for modernising the economy and the social sphere, strengthening infrastructure and supporting the regions, and other important areas of the country’s development. [My Emphasis]

The bolded text reveals the major challenges for Russia in producing this document at this time. Those with vision can see how this issue interacts with the SMO and struggle with the Outlaw US Empire, and the assumptions that will be made based on how they are perceived. For example, I’d assume no sanctions relief, while commodity prices will remain at base-line levels or greater but keeping to the conservative approach adopted over the last several years in that realm.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 16:13 utc | 125

RT reports on yet another deluded German politico, “German politician predicts fate of Nord Stream 2,” who thinks the energy situation is 100% Russia’s doing and as a result its credibility is damaged. Prepare the virtual manure removal machine:

In an interview with Germany’s DPA news agency published on Monday, Governor Weil said the pipeline project would not be revived even after Russian President Vladimir Putin leaves office.
“The loss of trust is so fundamental that there will never again be a situation in which a German federal government can rely on energy from Russia,” the official noted.
According to Weil, the “Nord Stream 2 will never go into operation.”
The governor claimed that the Kremlin has burnt its bridges and that “this cooperation is irrecoverably destroyed.”

Clearly a victim of completely swallowing NATO’s propaganda to the point where he’s become deranged. The only cure I see for him is to turn himself into fertilizer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 16:24 utc | 126

RT also reports that at least one Outlaw US Empire military commander admits reality, “China able to ‘blockade’ Taiwan – US admiral: Beijing has built a large and modern fleet and can encircle the island should it wish to do so, Vice Admiral Karl Thomas has said.” I’m sure Martyanov will shower the Admiral with accolades for admitting the truth. However, it appears he didn’t say or was asked if the USN could defeat China’s Navy and break any potential blockade, which is where reality really comes into play. I’m on the record saying USN is powerless to break such a blockade.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 16:42 utc | 127

« to say that COVID is preventable is ludicrous at this point. »
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 14:33 utc | 119
It seems to be preventable, or rather avoidable, very nearly, in sub saharan A – or are you a conspiracy theorist ?
Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 16:01 utc | 124

You are correct, for the majority of healthy people, serious consequences from a Covid-19 exposure/infection are avoided with readily available preventative and therapeutic measures. Some are listed here on this blog. The only downside is that it requires the advance knowledge and self-discipline to do this.
This information was actively suppressed by the medical authorities with the paid co-operation of the MSM whores (*cough* – ad revenue) in favor of a top down, one-size-fits all, authoritarian approach.
Here in Canada and elsewhere, the peak in cases and deaths coincided with peak inoculation. Numerous independent virus experts said from the start that inoculation during the pandemic would simply encourage mutation.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 19 2022 16:43 utc | 128

Opport Knocks | Sep 19 2022 16:43 utc | 128
A lot of people in the US are supposing now that they’ve tried to figure out what to do, heck darn it, ‘we gave it our best shot’ but there’s nothing that can be done
This is not only submissive but lazy – it is possible to take the actions you mention, and it is also possible to plan ahead for the future covids, which are inevitable
But this is too much like hard work for the lazy ynaks – too forlorn to institute changes across their ind ag their general health, massive drug intake, their medicare, to recover any semblance of administrative efficiency, political willpower, social stability and community solidarity…..
The ynaks will always privilege a quick buck especially at their own expense

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 19 2022 17:23 utc | 129

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 15:18 utc | 121
I wonder how it is that the US seems to avoid casualties (in western media) so often in these strikes on their bases. It’s hard to believe except in cases such as the Iranians’ first retaliatory strike on a US compound in Iraq as a response to the assassination of Gen. Soleimani; that one being relayed in advance by the Iranians to their Iraqi counterparts and then on to the US command hours before the *scheduled* strike.
I’ve read your comments for years at MoA even when I never wrote any of my own, and I’m sure you recall the media moratorium on flag draped coffins arriving back from the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz illegal invasion of Iraq. To my knowledge that was never seriously questioned after, at the time, sites like YellowTimes were simply taken down for violating protocol. There have also been many US service members who died in that theater after Saddam was deposed allegedly due to everyday accidents and such. Where I’m obviously going here is that the US is almost certainly disguising deaths from enemy strikes as routine and the media no longer questions it. Additionally, as most of us know, there really is no such thing as real foreign correspondent journalism in the west anymore. At one point, reporters media stenographers and propaganda conduits were ’embedded’ with duh trwooops, but the Forever Wars have mostly fallen into the memory hole, especially since Obama’s second term and more so w/ Trump. After all, that was when Russia rigged/stole/hacked the US election the first time and emerged as the new public enemy #1 (to China’s 1a) among the western finance capitalist class.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 19 2022 19:37 utc | 130

@Gerrard White #124
Re: Africa COVID mortality
Look at South Africa and Egypt
Re: infections
Poor record keeping, low population density etc etc
Re: preventable
You don’t seem to understand the difference between survivability and prevention. If almost everyone in Africa is under 20 – they’re going to die at ridiculously low rates regardless of infection status.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 19 2022 19:54 utc | 131

Earthquake in Mexico, 7.4 magnitude, reported by Sputnik News
https://sputniknews.com/20220919/strong-68-magnitude-earthquake-hits-mexicos-central-west-1100979258.html
USS Makin Island is in that area. I’m not skilled enough with locating ships to tell if it’s in port in San Diego or in the water somewhere in that region.
According to the USS Makin Island Facebook page, the ship celebrated Hispanic Heritage Month on Sept. 16, they had a cake and a map and everything. “Let’s recognize the amazing contributions Hispanic-Americans have made to society!”, it reads.
https://www.facebook.com/303601415156/posts/uss-makin-island-celebrated-hispanic-heritage-month-lets-recognize-the-amazing-c/10167204845420157/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2022 19:55 utc | 132

c1ue wrote:
If almost everyone in Africa is under 20 – they’re going to die at ridiculously low rates regardless of infection status.
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If half the population is under 20 one would expect that death rates might be half as low, but in the middle of Africa death rates attributed to covid are only 1% of the death rates in the USA. The per cent of the population that is above 60 is no where near 1/100 of the per cent of the population that is above 60 in the USA. There might be about 4 times as many people over 60 in the USA, but that hardly explains the difference in the number of deaths.
From my own personal experience communicating with a doctor working in rural Ghana covid is now essentially nonexistent in rural Ghana. Its not as if they don’t know what people are dying from in this part of the world.
https://philipmcmillan.substack.com/p/why-is-the-pandemic-over-in-africa?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Posted by: jinn | Sep 19 2022 22:42 utc | 133

YAY ! TACOS !!!

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 19 2022 22:43 utc | 134

After all, that was when Russia rigged/stole/hacked the US election the first time and emerged as the new public enemy #1 (to China’s 1a) among the western finance capitalist class.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 19 2022 19:37 utc | 130

Skimming this report by the Department of Justice’s Office of the Inspector General makes clear that the accusation that Russia rigged/stole/hacked the 2016 US Presidential election lacked a credible basis but nonetheless was leveraged into a patently partisan investigation.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 19 2022 23:19 utc | 135

There was a second region in Mexico where there was an earthquake today. For reasons difficult to delineate, I followed the train of thought that perhaps this one, in this region, is the real target (presuming the possibility that these earthquakes are not entirely naturally occurring).
The other area where an earthquake struck today was 22 km al Oeste de Cintalpa, Chis (which means Chiapas I presume) A 4.0 magnitude quake hit there.
https://twitter.com/SismologicoMX/status/1571996581003419648
For pertinent regional information, I turned to El Heraldo de Chiapas (Herald of the Chiapas, using Google translation). First off, there have been heavy rains due to a storm over the weekend. Mud, landslides, damaged bridges, swollen rivers.
And I found something interesting: Mexico has a promising future in energy, says Siemens Energy. Article dated Sept. 19
https://www.elsoldemexico.com.mx/finanzas/mexico-tiene-un-futuro-prometedor-en-energia-asegura-siemens-energy-8908961.html

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2022 23:38 utc | 136

Dr. Hudson sent a Q&A paper to his Patreon members that was submitted to him by students from China’s Global University for Sustainability at Lingnan university. Here are two of the ten submitted:

2. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago was searched by the FBI
Question: How do you view and assess this incident? What will be the impact of this incident on the upcoming midterm elections in the United States?
The FBI raid was basically a public relations stunt to keep depicting Donald Trump as a lawbreaker, and make the empty threat that he may be tried for treason or other criminal acts.
As usual, this Democratic stunt may be backfiring, and galvanizing support for Mr. Trump among Republicans and Independents. There already has been some backlash at the double standard at work – in not prosecuting Hillary Clinton for taking so much top secret and other classified material at home on her computer, and then destroying the evidence with a hammer so that she could not be prosecuted.
Some commentators, such as Larry Johnson (a former CIA analyst) believe that the documents that Trump took with him detail the FBI and CIA plot against him for the notorious “Russiagate” accusations that he was a Russian agent being blackmailed by President Putin. All those accusations – the “pee tape” and other fictions supplied by British intelligence agent Steele – have been shown to be a political dirty trick against Trump, designed by Hillary Clinton’s supporters to explain why she lost the 2016 election. The Democrats refuse to acknowledge that she was the most hated politician in America, or that her support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal galvanized opposition to the Democrats by labor.
The FBI and CIA work on behalf of the Democratic Party, which reciprocates by supporting a neocon military policy and anti-labor policy at home. Trump opposed the Pentagon’s war in the Near East, and the generals simply refused to obey his attempt to wind it down. But they could not stop his withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan.
Trump has promised that if he is re-elected, he will clean out the Democratic Party operatives at the FBI and dismantle the pro-war anti-Russian leadership in the CIA and State Department. He was going to do this in 2017 under General Flynn, but the FBI framed up Flynn to persuade Trump not to rely on him. Trump proved to be a bad judge of character and was not able to tell who was his friend and who wasn’t.
To sum up: There is unlikely to be any prosecution of Trump. The raid shows the double-standard of the FBI: One set of rules for the Democrats and pro-war party, while harassing the Republicans and any candidate opposing a New Cold War.
10. Li Xuehe:
a. This question might be cliche and mis-stated, but I really like to hear your comments on the following: do you agree with the prediction that capitalism will collapse eventually? Would that be a favourable outcome of historical development?
Industrial capitalism was not expected to collapse, but to evolve into socialism. That evolution was derailed by World War I. And since 1980, neoliberalism has sought to roll back capitalism to a neofeudal rentier economy that is polarizing between the creditor One Percent at the top and the indebted 99 Percent.
b. If yes, would the best course of action be to further advance its (capitalism’s?) vices, hence expedite its demise, instead of trying to come up with partial cure and prolong its life?
Capitalism’s main vice is that industrial capitalism is being replaced by finance capitalism. Industrial capitalism’s doctrine was classical political economy. Its role was to free economies from the landlord class, from monopolists and from predatory banking. These were the legacies of feudalism, and they were backed by the hereditary landlord class that controlled the House of Lords in Britain and other upper houses of government elsewhere. So industrial capitalism backed democratic political reform to tax or
nationalize land, natural infrastructure monopolies and the monetary and banking system.
Since World War I the financial interests have mounted a counter-revolution to defend the rentier class, which is the major customer for private-sector bank credit. That is one reason why banking needs to be nationalized and socialized, as it is in China. The financial sector has become the great opponent of socializing land rent, natural-resource rent and monopoly rent. That policy is largely responsible for de-industrializing the U.S. economy.
The only solution is to propose an alternative socialist system. That is what my new book The Destiny of Civilization is about. It will be published in China later this year.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2022 23:58 utc | 137

Further to my @ 123, 132, 136
The New York Times on Sept. 17 (also available in Spanish) —
The U.S. Vowed to Defend Central American Democracies. Autocrats Had Other Plans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/world/americas/central-america-democracy-biden.html
List of Central American recent misdeeds:
“In Guatemala, Central America’s most populous nation, Mr. Giammattei has methodically dismantled the last vestiges of independent institutions. One by one, his government has jailed, exiled or silenced the very people the United States said would underpin its efforts to make Guatemala a more fair and ultimately more livable society: independent judges, prosecutors, journalists and human rights activists.
President Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua has over the past year jailed or forced into exile nearly all dissident voices, turning the country into a totalitarian state. El Salvador’s president, Nayib Bukele, who has used a crackdown against gangs to suppress free speech, announced Thursday that he would seek a second term in the next elections despite the Salvadoran constitution’s explicit ban on re-election.
And even in the region’s strongest democracy, Costa Rica, the newly elected president, Rodrigo Chaves, has launched unprecedented attacks against journalists investigating accusations of sexual harassment and financial misconduct, calling them “rats” and using executive powers to starve their outlets of revenue.”
Germany’s Steinmeier arrives in Mexico today as well for a 3-day visit, one postponed from 2020.
Could you, if you were a military or contract security outfit, attempt to launch an invasion of a country following a natural disaster? Or would the natural disaster be a preventative for something like that? Is there any route by which the US Navy would be employed on behalf of a foreign company like Siemens? Via NATO?

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 20 2022 0:28 utc | 138

“… the fact you don’t acknowledge any difference in what china verses the west gave as a vaccine – mrna verses not – tells me you are not really into looking at this closely and as oldhippie said earlier in the thread – you go along with the western msm on all of this, while being of the opposite persuasion over the war in ukraine… cheers..”
james@63
I have always taken a socialist view of the pandemic. In that respect I have differed much more radically from the MSM than those who, following the lead of the neo-liberals have denied the importance of dealing with a very dangerous epidemic.
As to the vaccines, almost all were developed on the basis of publicly funded research. The entire industry, particularly that part of it which sells almost all its output to governments or government funded institutions, should be taken into public ownership and run as a non-profit service for society.
As to the importance of vaccines in China, I know very little. I have always argued that the basic needs of Covid patients- constant nursing, medicines, warmth, a good diet, and staff who, unlike the part timers employed in many hospitals and homes, were not carrying the virus from one patient to another- these were precisely the elements missing in a medical system wrecked by neo-liberal cutbacks, profit seeking and an informal triage system which writes off the most vulnerable as “too expensive” to be kept alive.
It was clearly the case in Canada and the UK that governments used the ‘magic bullet’ vaccines as excuses for not dealing with the obvious weaknesses exposed in the epidemic- a lack of personal protection gear, masks etc, a reluctance to impose quick and full shutdowns to contain the disease, a refusal to regulate the movement of staff from one source of infection to another potentially dangerous situation.
The money that you talk of having been spent was almost all transferred to corporations, often to cronies of the politicians, or dropped like confetti on the electorate rather than being directed where it was needed and would produce real benefits.
Across Canada in the years between the first SARS outbreak and the pandemic hospital beds and critical care beds had been closed down in large numbers- in order to save money. At the same time there was a large increase in the number of old people warehoused-at vast expense- in special homes (two of which in my immediate experience became sites of massacres-93 dead in Barrie dozens in Bobcaygeon). The new staffing practices, turning nurses into (often zero hour)freelances flitting from job to job were guaranteed to lead to many deaths. And they did including many medical staff- the victims of Health Economists and cost accountants.
Of course in the United States where there is no equivalent to out public health system, the outcomes were predictable. And what happened was a classic ‘teachable moment.’
The lessons simple, common sense and clearly apparent, most notable of them was that the time for Medicare for All had arrived.
But all such lessons were lost in a vast storm of conjectures, discussions of sovereign remedies de-worming, quinines etc (all suppressed to preserve the profits of the drug companies it was argued) and extraordinary nonsenses to the effect that there was no problem, that the entire crisis was phony, cooked up by mysterious cabals to do all manner of things. A ‘plandemic’ in which almost nobody was dying and anyone who did was riddled with co-morbidities and slated to die anyway.
No doubt there were all sorts of other claims made. I honestly find it depressing and tedious to rehearse them. But they have had their effect in letting the ruling class off the hook for the deadly consequences of half a century rolling back the advances in healthcare and common decency, social solidarity in order to protect one of the most prized profit centres in capitalism: the selling of health and the renting of extended life.
If those are the things that the MSM has been saying then I must have the wrong bookmarks, perhaps someone can help. So far as I have seen the media has been most reluctant to criticise neo-liberal health policies. In Ontario it is currently ignoring what looks like a planned massacre of seniors on government legislation aiming at still further cutbacks in the number of hospital beds -charging $1000 a day for those refusing to move to for profit Old Age Homes until they have finished their treatment.
Sadly in the country whose healthcare system is based upon Saskatchewan’s Douglas reforms, and is derived from the lessons that rural families learned in the 1930s, notably in Simcoe county Ontario, the voice of left has been drowned in half baked shouting from the weirder reaches of the right wing. And the lesson that we seem to have learned from Covid is not to bother and to return to the wonderful days when Harper and the oil industry ruled the country. Is that not the message of Poilevre?
One thing I do know and that is that the danger of pandemics and epidemics is growing and that if we do not face the problems rationally and honestly- which involves discussing the questions arising in a reasonable and courteous, though rigorous fashion- we will become impotent in a society in which the oligarchs interests are everything and those of the people are nothing.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 0:29 utc | 139

“…President Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua has over the past year jailed or forced into exile nearly all dissident voices, turning the country into a totalitarian state…”
Bruised Northerner@138
This is a State Department talking point. Or, to put it another way, a CIA lie.
This is a far better source of news from the region than the NYTimes
https://orinocotribune.com/category/news/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 0:37 utc | 140

interesting
In other news. Former too old to run* in 2024 narcissistic wannabe candidate ex liar-in-chief and troll called “DJT”. Continues to make fake imaginary waves concerning the FBI raid on his fake insecure home residence “Make-A-Fast-Buck” in Florida.
Reading the comments it would appear the unfortunate redneck ‘Trumpophilliac’ trolls. Are down to writing the same identical robot repeat-after-me lies. Due to the complete ignorance of the law concerning USSA FBI Federal law search warrants.
As a business person given his track record of litigation against him exceeding a record of 3500+ over multiple decades. Clearly, ‘Troll-in-Chief’ DJT views the law which all must abide by in the USSA! As an impediment to his ethical free business profiteering activities.
In November 2016 DJT was forced into a Federal law settlement to the 6,000 registered students of “DJT U”. A fake unregistered business school.
‘Trump’s been fighting a losing battle in court for six years, ultimately paying through the nose to avoid a court verdict in a consumer fraud case that the mainstream press ignored this election season.
Today, Donald Trump has personally agreed to pay $25 million dollars to the victims of his Trump University scam, settling class action fraud and racketeering charges in federal court as well as New York state charges without a formal admission of guilt.
Winners in lawsuits do not pay multi-million dollar settlements.”
It appears that all “Trumpophilliac” worshippers have disconnected by default memory circuits concerning all of the “MAGA Messiah DJT”. In regard to the 3500+ evil deeds and illegal questionable activities! Throughout the entire career of one ‘DJT’!
Trump’s been fighting a losing battle in court for six years, ultimately paying through the nose to avoid a court verdict in a consumer fraud case that the mainstream press ignored this election season.
Today, Donald Trump has personally agreed to pay $25 million dollars to the victims of his Trump University scam, settling class action fraud and racketeering charges in federal court as well as New York state charges without a formal admission of guilt.
Winners in lawsuits do not pay multi-million dollar settlements.’
Truth is truly stranger than fiction……..Mark Twain
*if Joe Biden is too old to run as a second termer in 2024. The age of DJT in 2024 will be? Logic bomb alert!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 20 2022 1:02 utc | 141

An interesting article in Orinoco Tribune on depression.
“…The serotonin theory gained prominence because: 1) it fits within the one-factor, causally linear framework of the Cartesian reductionist outlook prevalent in mainstream science; 2) it was a diagnosis which facilitated the greatly profitable solution embodied in the tens of billions of dollars’ worth antidepressant drug industry; 3) it plays a hegemonic role in steering the diagnosis of the depression epidemic away from its real source—capitalist social relations which sustain the mass of people alienated from what they produce, from other people, and from nature—and, specifically with respect to the United States, in drowning debt for getting sick, pursuing an education, or attempting to own a home.”
https://orinocotribune.com/the-failed-serotonin-theory-of-depression-a-marxist-analysis/
This on Covid is also worth reading:
https://orinocotribune.com/healthcare-for-human-rights-not-profits-what-the-us-can-learn-from-cubas-coronavirus-response/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 1:11 utc | 142

@ bevin | Sep 20 2022 0:29 utc | 139
i don’t believe anyone at moa is letting the ruling class off the hook here… perhaps this is true of the media which was unwilling to address how their support for what the corporations were asking and which the gov’t was complying with – giving people an unproven mrna experimental vaccine, was not subject to debate… people were forced into taking the mrna thing, or being treated like a black sheep of the family.. the media, politicians and corporations – ie the ruling class servants, or the ruling class – were quite okay with this draconian or worse response to this pandemic…
i don’t think you and i are unlike in sharing a concern for the breakdown of our society, and in what looks to me a complete take over by the corporations of the political system we are living under in the west, which includes canada..
thanks for your response..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2022 1:17 utc | 143

and as i understand it cubas vaccine was not mrna experimental stuff either…. i think the differences are an important distinction missing in all of this…

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2022 1:20 utc | 144

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 0:37 utc | 140
Most interesting no nonsense like “Venezuela Analysis” read. Unlike the standard generic propaganda sold to all unfortunate Yankee citizens standard fare. Living in the well-known notorious police-controlled open prison. The “Union of Soviet States Of AmeriKa.
One article dated September 16th, 2022! This explains why the idiots running the USSA are now openly threatening sanctions against China. Or death to all who threaten the extinction of the USSA gold mine in the fake Panama Puppet Republic.
New PMC/contra/United Fruit Packing invasion of Nicaragua in………..

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 20 2022 1:39 utc | 145

bevin @ 140
Thanks for the alternative link! I appreciate your comment. I admit I was posting the NYT article as possible evidence of an attempted invasion of Central America, under the cover of the Mexican earthquakes, specifically the one in Chiapas. I wonder what role Mexico plays with regards to security for that entire region? Perhaps their military would need to be preoccupied in order to successfully takeover its neighbours?
I don’t know. But — as you point out, the NYT I’d spreading lies about Central America. I hope that Lopez-Obrador (and Steinmeier) will address the subject of hostility towards those countries in an upcoming press conference.
Why does it always seem that whenever the pain dial is turned up on the US establishment, it’s the Caribbean and Latin America that end up paying for it? How to address this??

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 20 2022 1:49 utc | 146

Meanwhile in Pakistan, reeling under a economic and flooding crises: We are seeing in real time the mainstreaming of religious extremism in our politics.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 20 2022 2:00 utc | 147

Posted by: K | Sep 19 2022 7:43 utc | 100
“Not trying to argue with you either. Just amazed that its not completely obvious to a fellow westerner: there are many thousands of major health studies into why there is such poor health in the so called first world, declining life expectancy, rise of obesity, diabetes, heart problems, stress, depression, suicide. etc etc”
Ok – thanks. I’d agree that in some cases things are getting worse and probably especially in the last two years (complete statistics aren’t available yet from what I can tell).
However, in terms of longevity by country the top 20 or 30 are still dominated by western European countries (as of 2020. Wikipedia: List of countries by life expectancy). The top three are Asian [Japan (84.62 yrs), Singapore (83.74 yrs), South Korea (83.43)] but the rest are mostly what we’d probably call western. The USA (77.28) is at number 54 but still not lower than China (77.1) at 59.
However, it is indeed dismaying to see the decrease in longevity, particularly the US: down more than 1.5 years from 2019! Russia is even worse with a drop of 1.75 years. Can only hope those trends will not continue…
Interestingly, Norway and Australia (4th and 5th spots) actually saw an increase in longevity.
So in terms of longevity only (and I know many other things could be considered) you’re still better off in Western countries in most cases. But the decrease we see see in so many of them is frankly…embarrassing. Nevertheless, unless you can point to specific evidence it is not clear to me that “We can safely say that first world lifestyle makes westerners far more susceptible to illness of all kinds.” Longevities are not clearly consistent with that statement anyway. You could say we’re more susceptible but also have better ways of dealing with illness in which case both observations could be reconciled. But in the absence of additional data (which you may have) I think we have to apply the principle of parsimony.
An interesting if somewhat depressing discussion.

Posted by: RTX | Sep 20 2022 2:06 utc | 148

RTX@148
Your figures are, I believe, out of date: China has now overtaken the US in life expectancy. Unfortunately I no longer have the link I posted a couple of days ago.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 2:48 utc | 149

Germany now has full NATO interoperability…
Exhibit A

Michael Brand: “Die chinesische Diktatur ist eine Gefahr für die Welt
Kein normales Verhältnis mit China
Deutschland muss sich auf einen Konflikt mit China vorbereiten

Posted by: denk | Sep 20 2022 2:58 utc | 150

james, the responses to pandemics tend to be draconian- they have to be and always were. Infections cannot be allowed to spread if they can be held in check. This is done to save lives which, experience has shown, will be lost.
That is why ‘Typhoid Mary’ was so unpopular- she was doing her own thing but killing people every bit as efficiently as Jack the Ripper did.
As to the vaccines, I have no information to add to what I’ve said, I know nothing about whether or not they work. I believe it is immoral to leave their production in private hands or to make profits from them. And that as long as the profit motive is there any objective assessment of their efficacy will be made difficult.
So far as insisting that people be vaccinated is concerned- we have long insisted on schoolkids being vaccinated against polio, smallpox and other scourges which have killed millions.
Is there any evidence, real evidence, that the vaccinations either save lives or put an end to them? My guess is that they are effective to a degree, whereas I am unconvinced by claims that vaccinations have killed people.
I can recall-sixty years ago almost!- being a member of a body which was discussing the introduction of flouride into the municipal drinking water. Some argued that it would prevent tooth decay. Others that it was a plot to poison us all and turn us into obedient slaves of the ruling class. Perhaps they were right- the flouride was introduced. I have no teeth on the other hand I am still not an obedient slave. And I’m not an epidemiologist either.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 3:13 utc | 151

jinn | Sep 19 2022 22:42 utc | 133
Thanks for this post – when ignorance meets privilege the result is worse than propaganda, it is the sort of firstworldism that brings back gringo go home
Poor record keeping ! They’ll be teaching us to count
As many in Africa state – this desire by firstworlders to protect us from their covid is merely a wish to sell vaccines digital health passports and other assorted Bill Gates indag Death Rows
A classic instance of mirroring – transferring all one’s own failure onto the ‘other’, for profit

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 3:15 utc | 152

RTX | Sep 20 2022 2:06 utc | 148
In what way is longevity a measure of good or better health ?
Very few very old people (to be precise in the USEU) are in good health, rather maintained in ill health by a vast number of drugs or machines, afflicted with very limited physical and mental existence
I’d say it was equivalent to a similar habit that counted height as a measure of better health – ‘you see how small they are they do not eat well’
Measures of health have to be a little more sophisticated than simplistic, mine is bigger than your’s –

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 3:26 utc | 153

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 2:48 utc | 149
“Your figures are, I believe, out of date: China has now overtaken the US in life expectancy.”
I wouldn’t be surprised!

Posted by: RTX | Sep 20 2022 4:28 utc | 154

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 3:26 utc | 153
“In what way is longevity a measure of good or better health ?”
Well, I’m not saying it is. (I was just looking for some sort of quantified metric to check for consistency with the original remark that people in the West “are far more susceptible to illness of all kinds.”) Presumably, though, we can agree that a decreasing longevity is a sign of the opposite.
“Very few very old people (to be precise in the USEU) are in good health, rather maintained in ill health by a vast number of drugs or machines, afflicted with very limited physical and mental existence”
Well no doubt, but that’s a general problem with old age isn’t it? Poor health I mean, followed by, er, death.
“I’d say it was equivalent to a similar habit that counted height as a measure of better health – ‘you see how small they are they do not eat well’”
I have no idea, but it seems it would depend on circumstance. Height may or may not be indictive.
“Measures of health have to be a little more sophisticated than simplistic, mine is bigger than your’s -”
Sure! As I say that wasn’t what I was going for.
As far as longevity is concerned I’m disappointed with the progress our species has made. While it seems that it has increased a lot I read somewhere that it’s mostly to do with reduced childhood mortality (where admittedly we have made a lot of progress), such that the chances of a 5 yr old seeing their 70th birthday is not much higher that it was centuries ago. May have the ages wrong but it was something like that.
Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 3:26 utc | 153

Posted by: RTX | Sep 20 2022 4:47 utc | 155

bevin | Sep 20 2022 3:13 utc | 151
Risk vs benefit. As you say many diseases have been largely eradicated due to vaccines. A lot of benefit but a small amount of risk to the few that have a bad reaction.
The American vaccines are a new untested medication. Risk vs benefit for various age groups?
Grieved put up this link not long back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekTR0w2M9-U A Thai study on heat complications in 13 – 18 year olds before and after vaccination with the US vaccines.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2022 5:03 utc | 156

RTX | Sep 20 2022 4:47 utc | 155
Thanks for your comments –
I accept that decreasing longevity is not a good sign in a country or system which prides itself on prolonging – and not to argue with you- but just as increasing longevity is essentially and narrow mindedly mechanistic in method and outcome, decreasing must result from failures of such measures (i.e. nothing to do with state of health)
My point to old age was that by definition it involves fragiler health – but the question was to the absurdity of interventions designed to prolong such ill health, in conditions of very limited capabilities & in the constant lock of drug induced poverty of mind and spirit, and then boast about such as signs of success
That is to say : the ‘old’ in the US die of covid in massive numbers because of above, but the old in Africa do not
There used to be similar to longevity boasting with regards to height – in particular it was pointed out how ‘small’ (un naturally so) Asians were, and – when encourages to take on a westie meat based diet, the ynaks lit up and glowed at the resulting gain in body mass
Well we all know where that quest ended up – massive obesity has spread like a cancer (literally) from the US into RoW
The point about children is accurate – infant mortality is a serious measure of success – however it must not be ignored that the system which gave birth to such a priority has also produced, in tandem, the fall in birth rate to below levels of population maintenance, and (some could say) a cherished obsession with the fragility and sanctity of the state of childhood, such that it is prolonged well into what used to be the age of adulthood

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 5:12 utc | 157

Continuing with my posts re Mexico, here is a report on AMLO’s recent meeting with Blinken and Raimondo.
https://www.laprensalatina.com/lopez-obrador-denies-us-punishment-over-mexicos-energy-policy/
I call this ‘the obsequious Indian’ (he is known as President Obrador in certain circles… I remember many years ago, talking with an erm, associate, of ours, from another culture, who said to me, ‘You’ve spent how much time on that reserve now? And you’ve got the dumb Indian act down pat.’ I was 6.) The proper terms, of course, now being Native American or First Nations or First Peoples.
Also, a report from Mexico News Daily on a significant piece of legislation regarding the use of the military.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/military-essential-to-peace-says-amlo/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 20 2022 11:26 utc | 158

bevin @ 151
“polio….and other scourges which have killed millions.”
Since polio is always held up as an example let’s look a little closer at that. It would seem that polio has been around for thousands of years. There was never a big outbreak until 1916. Biggest outbreak ever (in US) was 1952, when a bit over 3000 died and 21,000 were left with lasting disabilities. It is not even slightly likely that polio ever or cumulatively killed millions.
Before the advent of modern plumbing polio was exclusively a disease of very elite children. Royalty, aristocracy, haute bourgeoisie. Polio is spread by contact with stool. When stool was handled with outhouses, chamberpots, slops buckets and open sewers we all had much more contact with stool. Which meant that all commoners contracted polio in the first year of life. Polio contracted in first year of life is not dangerous. Very likely no one would ever even know the child was sick. And then the child has lifelong immunity.
When indoor plumbing arrived in late nineteenth century the possibility that a child would get through first year of life without exposure increased vastly. Although most/nearly all still had exposure. Followed closely by immunity. As George Carlin famously said no one in his neighborhood got polio. Because they swam in the East River in raw shit. And it made them strong. That was not a laugh line, that was extremely accurate.
Best way to deal with polio was always to let the kids be kids and play with each other. Kids are always shitty and that is just fine. Wealthy parents were not going to do that. As always, wealthy parents ruled.
I knew a woman who got polio in the 1916 outbreak. She wore orthopedic shoes. Since she had plenty of money they were good looking shoes and most would never know. Which adds up. She was well born, she was too sheltered as a child, got polio, wore good handmade shoes. I knew quite a few others who had some visible disability from polio. Everyone in my generation did.
Interesting that I still don’t for certain know any taken by covid. The two I knew who supposedly died had so many pre-existings and so many questions about circumstances of death I don’t believe it. Really, a 95 year old woman in hospice for 5 months who suddenly contracts covid and dies, I will believe that is the hospice lining up for a covid payout. With covid being wildly more dangerous than polio and being myself in the cohort at most risk I should know large numbers who have died and larger numbers who have suffered. And it just ain’t there.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 13:22 utc | 159

@bevin #151
From what I have seen of Pfizer/Moderna Phase 3 trial data – the raw death numbers between vaccinated and placebo groups was actually lower for the placebo groups. The magic of lying reports…
This can certainly be statistical variation since the death % were very low, but it does not rule out that vaccinations can cause adverse health outcomes including death for a few people.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:35 utc | 160

Pilger
“In my lifetime, the United States has overthrown or attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, mostly democracies. It has interfered in democratic elections in 30 countries. It has dropped bombs on the people of 30 countries, most of them poor and defenceless. It has attempted to murder the leaders of 50 countries. It has fought to suppress liberation movements in 20 countries.”
“The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”
……………..
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 18 2022 12:19 utc | 3

Pilger makes some great points, but I strongly disagree with his statement that “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is wanton and inexcusable. It is a crime to invade a sovereign country.”
Russia intervened because the DPR and LPR governments, which had declared independence from Ukraine and were facing an impending invasion by AFU thugs, asked them to–and thus there is a plausible legal case for it. And Russia has been going out of its way to seek peace in the Donbas region for 8 years. Unfortunate as it is that this war is taking place, there was really no alternative for the sake of its own security & that of the people of eastern and southeastern Ukraine.

Posted by: Jeff | Sep 20 2022 13:38 utc | 161

@jinn #133
Your maths is clearly crap; AVERAGE age = 19.7 means that the vast, vast majority of Africans are under 20.
And since COVID death rates drop 90% for each 10 year age difference, roughly, a 1% Africa vs. say, Europe death rate is to be expected. Europe average age 43.7; that’s 2-10 year differences and then some. If Europe’s rate is 1, then Africa’s rate is 1*.1*.1 = 1%.
Amazing!
Thank you for another installment of idiocy from you.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:40 utc | 162

Europe going fascist, rapidly
EU unveils anti crisis plans to force firms to supply key goods

The European Union unveiled plans for emergency powers to force companies to fill orders within the 27-nation bloc first during times of crisis, building on lessons learned during the Covid-19 pandemic.
“We need new tools that allow us to react fast and collectively,” European Commission vice president Margrethe Vestager said in a statement.
Under the proposals, regulators may also ask companies “to accept priority rated orders for crisis-relevant products, in response to which firms must either comply or explain the grave reasons justifying refusal.”

What’s really funny is the old “Papers Please” meme about National Socialists on Jews or Soviet Russians on people walking around – is being replaced by an EU commission who somehow thinks its many and manifold failures regarding sanctions on Russia will be mitigated … by more fiat EU commission economic power. LOL.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:45 utc | 163

More evidence of EU de-industrialization:

This time: a glass factory. You don’t need glass in a modern society, right? Clay mugs for beer. Thin leather or paper for windows. iPhone screens made of bark. LOL.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:47 utc | 164

And last but not least: natural gas levels in US, 2nd lowest in the last 12 years. Winter may bring unprecedented electricity prices…
A Natural Gas Shortage is Looming for the US – oilprice.com

Meanwhile, although higher on a weekly basis, inventories remained at the second-lowest for this time of the year for the last 12 years, Reuters’ market analyst noted. He also added there were no signs of any improvement in the level of inventories despite the rise in prices.

In the spring, the principals of investment firm Goehring & Rozencwajg said U.S. gas prices will converge with international prices towards the end of 2022. They noted something few other analysts tend to mention: the concentration of much of U.S. gas production in a handful of fields, with just two—Marcellus and Haynesville—accounting for as much as 40 percent of the total.
The Permian contributes another 12 percent of the U.S. total gas output, and the rig count in the Permian has been down for two weeks in a row, according to the latest data. Less drilling means less associated gas to add to the national total.
Meanwhile, on the demand side, electricity generation in the United States is seen reaching a record high this year, Kemp noted in his column, driven by the post-pandemic economic rebound. A hotter summer also contributed. A cold winter would certainly push gas consumption even higher.
Another contributor is the lack of alternative sources of electricity generation: coal plants are being retired, and droughts in many parts of the country have compromised its hydropower capacity, the Reuters analyst also noted.
While this is happening at home, demand for gas continues strong across the globe, too, as everyone seeks to stock up on fuel for the winter. U.S. energy companies are exporting liquefied natural gas at record rates. And disgruntlement at home is beginning to rear its head.
“We appreciate that the [Joe] Biden administration has been working with European allies to expand fuel exports to Europe. A similar effort should be made for New England,” a group of governors from New England wrote in a letter to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm this summer, per a Financial Times report.
The governors then went on to call on the administration to make sure there was enough LNG for American consumers, essentially asking politicians to reduce LNG exports. This does not bode well for balance in the U.S. gas market.
In May, John Kilduff from Again Capital told CNBC he expected gas prices to top $10 per mmBtu and maybe reach $12 to $14. “This is a commodity that trades parabolically a lot. It’s no stranger to parabolic moves up and down. It’s incredibly volatile, and it also has the ability to reset. We could get to $10 or $12 and if you have a cool August, then you could be down below $8 again,” he said at the time.

As I have said many times before: from around 2015 to 2021 – 40% of all the natural gas produced in the US came from fracked shale oil wells – i.e. byproduct of shale oil drilling. The entire shale fracking industry has basically stopped new exploration as the survivors repay debt/investors, and new entrants/new drilling is stymied by ESG in various forms (financial, legal and operational).
So take a market that was tremendously oversupplied due to shale oil fracking. Add massive natural gas electricity generation capacity adds – much in replacement of coal. Subtract large amounts of LNG exported to Europe plus shale fracking decline curves.
It isn’t just Europe that should be praying for a warm winter…
Here is a real world data point on how natural gas plays into the electricity curtailment equation
Note the enormous amount of natural gas curtailment during peak periods of wind and solar PV curtailment – that’s the grid attempting to offset too much electricity during major demand/supply imbalances during the low parts of the duck curve.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:57 utc | 165

Good Morning from the West coast of North America. How is the bar this fine day?
Below is a Reuters posting title that I am curious about and wonder if any barflys can peek behind their control front end to see the details….thanks
EXCLUSIVE U.S. Treasury official criticizes China’s ‘unconventional’ debt practices

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 20 2022 14:09 utc | 166

c1ue | Sep 20 2022 13:40 utc | 162
Wasn’t one of you people that said nothing lies like statistics ? Well you are a prime example with your median this average that – you are merely a propagandist hiding in a old troll
There may be more young people etc etc in Subsaharan A – but there are still tidy numbers of old
Approx figures show c.60 million 60 plus in A, 80M in EU, and 70M odd in the US
Yet- guess what – much lower death rates in A for the old, as for the young, as for the rich as for the poor : by magnitudes
Whatever way you fry your figures you get to eat your foolish stats

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 14:56 utc | 167

@psychohistorian | Sep 20 2022 14:09 utc | 165,
Maybe this is the one that you referred. It’s available at USNews
It looks like typical China-bashing hit piece. Anything China does is evil. Anything amerikkka and the west do is honorable. The west media keeps spreading the same China bashing/hating “stories”.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 20 2022 15:02 utc | 168

Unconventional alright:
China forgives 23 loans for 17 African countries, expands ‘win-win’ trade and infrastructure projects – Ben Norton
Don’t have current figures on what the IMF or World Bank have ever forgiven…not really looking for them either. Just as the century and the global economy now belongs to the East, so too would one seek financing from there.
That article by the way also contains good information on why “Chinese Debt Trap is a Myth” etc.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 20 2022 15:55 utc | 169

A couple of weeks ago in the middle of a troll screed the troll launched an attack against Radio Havana as a mere propaganda outlet. I was infuriated because there was a time when Radio Havana was very important to me. I started writing a post in response but then realized I was being baited by the troll. Had I responded other trolls would have piled on and the thread would be hijacked. That’s one of their tactics.
Now that the troll infestation has subsided I would just like to say that during the 1980s Radio Havana was like Moon of Alabama today — a way to bypass norte Americano censorship of world news and learn some truth. On a visit to Quebec in the late 70s I found a copy of a special monthly English language edition of Cuba’s Granma newspaper. I subscribed and there found the frequencies for English Language broadcasts of Radio Havana and her sister station Rebel Radio, founded by Che Guevara during the Revolution. I bought a shortwave radio and began listening to the nightly news reports. I was able to follow the whole war against apartheid in southern Africa, which was heavily censored in north America. After a while a made a big shortwave antenna and hung it from the eaves on the south side of my house and then the news came in loudly and clearly. When the internet came in during the 90s I stopped listening. Recently I have been worrying about MOA being shut down by the authorities and bought a new radio so I’ll be ready. There’s a company in California that makes high quality and relatively inexpensive radios. If anyone is interested, it’s here:
https://ccrane.com/

Posted by: Chas | Sep 20 2022 15:58 utc | 170

Grieved | Sep 20 2022 15:55 utc | 168
Thanks for this : the usual USnik mirroring operation is to say China debt trap; whereas it is invariably IMF World Bank debt trap, which also push nonsense policies like the so called green revolution trap, ind ag which leaves the rich richer and the poor hungrier

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 16:08 utc | 171

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 14:56 utc | 166
Approx figures show c.60 million 60 plus in A, 80M in EU, and 70M odd in the US
Yet- guess what – much lower death rates in A for the old, as for the young, as for the rich as for the poor : by magnitudes
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With roughly equal numbers of over 60 year olds, it suggests age can’t account for the huge difference.
C1ue’s twisted logic is that somehow the much larger numbers of young people negate the effects of covid to the old. That is like saying if you put one foot in ice water and one foot in boiling water your feet will be comfortable.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 20 2022 16:47 utc | 172

@Gerrard White #166
I have given you leeway under the principle of charity for a possibly poorly informed.
However, it is quite clear that you are willfully stupid, instead.
Your ongoing unwillingness to address the facts – indeed – to literally not present a single one, thence to start as hominem attacks just underscores how idiotic you and your notions are.
If you don’t understand critical thinking nor objective analysis, that’s fine but stop embarrassing yourself with ongoing public stupidity.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 20 2022 16:50 utc | 173

c1ue | Sep 20 2022 16:50 utc | 173
There’s been a pandemic recently of people infected with propaganda-19 and troll-19
This has caused deaths, among the older and the younger, although some re incarnate
Most infections orginate in the USEU, deaths ditto : so far very very few in RF or SCO BRICS countries
And – guess what – none in Africa

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 16:53 utc | 174

jinn | Sep 20 2022 16:47 utc | 172
C1ue’s concern is to disguise firstworld failures- the failures of corrupt capitalism- by seeking to erase the achievements of especially Africa but also, by implication, Asian countries, in surviving the Covid much better with fewer infections and deaths than the USEU
This is typical élitist propaganda smeared with the slurry of ignorance, desperate to shore up a bankrupt society
The facts, as widely recorded, of infections and deaths, speak for themselves, and no amount of lying can alter these : for racists it is impossible to accept this African achievement

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 17:02 utc | 175

@ LuRenJia | Sep 20 2022 15:02 utc | 168 and others with the follow up to my request for more infor about the China hit piece at Reuters…thanks
Yes, what isn’t outright lies is misrepresentation and obfuscation of the total debt situation, at what rates, with whom, etc
I wonder what the people think about themselves that produce this BS for pay? Do they go home at night and beat the dog/cat/spouse or take lots of drugs to numb the moral pain?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 20 2022 18:12 utc | 176

“Wasn’t one of you people that said nothing lies like statistics ?..” Gerrard White@167
It was Benjamin Disraeli who said “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.” Mark Twain was delighted by the wit and, for his trouble, has often had the remark attributed to him. He was clever enough without needing to borrow anyone’s aphorisms.
Are you suggesting, by the way, that Covid mortality rates were lower in countries in which families looked after one another. And in which the elderly are treated with respect, if not reverence?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 19:27 utc | 177

“…Interesting that I still don’t for certain know any taken by covid. The two I knew who supposedly died had so many pre-existings and so many questions about circumstances of death I don’t believe it. Really, a 95 year old woman in hospice for 5 months who suddenly contracts covid and dies, I will believe that is the hospice lining up for a covid payout. With covid being wildly more dangerous than polio and being myself in the cohort at most risk I should know large numbers who have died and larger numbers who have suffered. And it just ain’t there…” oldhippie@159
I am a member of the same demographic grouping as you. My experience has not been very different, although I do know of nearby cases in which dozens of people have died. And none of the institutions in which they have died have any financial interest in either their deaths (which give the places a very bad reputation and slow the competition to take over the vacated accommodation) or in attributing them to Covid. In fact the opposite is the case in Ontario.
I gather that the current excess/Covid death rate in the US is running at 4500 a day. With a population of about nine million out of, what 330, that would be (and my maths are dangerously bad) about 100 deaths a day.
It seems to me that the government has found a way to spare its embarrassment at the failures of its response to the pandemic by, employing its catspaw the Media, ignoring the deaths. Would hiding a 100 deaths a day among the regular bills of mortality be difficult?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 19:44 utc | 178

bevin @ 179
Your maths are to so much bad as they are impenetrable.
Don’t know about Ontario, in States there has been a simply enormous financial incentive to gin up covid deaths.
All cause mortality is up in most countries, up at six and ten sigma, and more. No one cares.
Repeat, I knew a victim of the 1916 polio outbreak and knew her well. Do not know the victims of the 2019-2022 covid pandemic.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 20:57 utc | 179

Thank you autocorrect. First line of post above replace ‘to’ with ‘not’.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 21:00 utc | 180

old hippie
I thought that I made it plain: there are no incentives in Ontario to overestimate the number of Covid deaths. To the contrary.
As to my maths: the population of the US is about 330 million, every day in the USA 4500 deaths from Covid are reported. The population of greater Chicago is about 9 million, my estimate is that that means about 100 a day are dying of Covid.
“All cause mortality is up in most countries, up at six and ten sigma, and more. No one cares.”
To what, if not the pandemic, do you attribute this increase?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 22:03 utc | 181

bevin @ 183
US daily covid mortality the past few months has been bouncing between 400 and 500. No idea at all where you are getting 4500. Were that the case, yes, we should all be hair on fire over covid. As I can read the charts there have been all of four days when reported mortality was over 4500 and the seven day rolling average has never been that high. Orders of magnitude do matter.
It is entirely possible that you would not be aware that all cause mortality is up. It is entirely possible you would not be aware that one of the leading causes of death is now “sudden, unexplained”. In many cases “unexplained’ is the leading cause of death. You will not find this in MSM. Any actuary could tell you.
What is the cause of sudden unexplained deaths? Try someone does not want to hear the explanation. Vaccine injury is a likely and probable cause. MSM does not want to talk about that.
If you can’t see that there are incentives to over report covid deaths I am unlikely to get through to you. Just work on your orders of magnitude. Makes those of us with mathematical brains crazy.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 22:19 utc | 182

And want to add there is no reason whatever to trust the reported 500 daily deaths. Exactly equivalent to trusting Kiev to accurately report battlefield casualties. You wouldn’t do that. Why would you trust reported covid deaths?

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 22:22 utc | 183

Cook County, which is Chicago and another two million in the suburbs, has been reporting 10-15 covid deaths daily. On a rolling seven day average the toll has never been as high as 100. you seem to think it is 100 every day. How can I discuss anything with you? Innumeracy matters.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2022 22:31 utc | 184

bevin | Sep 20 2022 19:27 utc | 177
Thanks for clearing up the lies and statistics quote – I understand the ynaks plundered many English inventions, industrial processes, starting with Slater the Traitor and continuing with Bessemer/Carnegie
I’m not sure why and how sub S Africa came out so little scathed – many factors must have contributed (immune systems, general health, diet)– but of course including the cohesive nature of communities as well as their – I was going to use words like ‘integration’ of the old, but alien words miss the point, your’s are better
Very few have studied the subject – the medical industry is interested in financing studies which propose investment in ‘modern’ health care and drugs, the WHO and NGOs require the same patterns of investment to justify their salaries and standing
What is clear is statistic salads offered up by Wall Street types such as the usual suspect posting here under c1ue are designed to impose expensive firstworld medical failures on this continent

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 22:36 utc | 185

bevin | Sep 20 2022 19:27 utc | 177
I threw the ‘racist’ tag at the Wall street handle to joy ride one of the great ynak inventions
Both use purpose and discussion of tribal ethnic variations is a great deal more sophisticated here than in the simplistic states

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 20 2022 22:45 utc | 186

@ Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2022 22:03 utc | 183 – To what, if not the pandemic, do you attribute this increase? [all-cause mortality]
The point at issue here is that all-cause mortality is a very stable statistic over the years in most countries, certainly our western ones.
In 2020 as the pandemic raged, while numerous deaths were reported as being associated with Covid-19, all-cause mortality didn’t budge. In other words, there was no significant increase in death – whoever died of the virus took the place of another, statistically, who would ordinarily have been recorded as dying from another cause – that’s the principal inference from those numbers, at any rate. Let me repeat that this measure is held to be very stable, and charts of it over the years demonstrate this.
That on its own might be an esoteric curiosity except that in 2021, as the vaccination program raged, all-cause mortality surged in many countries including US, Canada and UK. There was no other moving parts in the health scenario except the vaccine (or conceivably, after-effects of lockdowns).
Insurance CEOs are documented as saying that a 10% increase in mortality – as recorded by their payments on life policies – would be of a disaster magnitude in death increase. And they have seen up to a 40% increase, which is just beyond all imagination. Yet it”s real. I could document all this if you want. This by the way is exactly what morticians warned us of early in the vax program, before the insurance industry had felt the impact. They saw the death increase personally, experientially, immediately following the vax rollouts.
This is what oldhippie is trying to convey to you, in part.
One should also note that while these statistics are so stable and reliable that insurance actuaries calculate their life policies on them (and have now been badly burned), there are also data sources of high reliability in several countries that report serious injuries and deaths from the vaccines in the west. There’s a mass of evidence, and it grows daily as the damage mounts and cascades. The damage is so large that it well accounts for and tallies with the rise in all-cause mortality.
And because I have great respect for your knowledge, which you share generously here, I would be prepared to document everything said here if you want to examine the situation for yourself, and increase your own knowledge in this field, to be able to further share with others.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 20 2022 23:34 utc | 187

What the hell ?!
1. The width is f’d up again, like before b fixed the link wraparound thing problem.
2. A picture ?! Is that the first ever, on this site ?

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 21 2022 0:08 utc | 188

Grieved
Thank you.
You have all that exactly as I would wish to put it were I better at this. It is very hard to know where to begin when addressing those who have made a decision to be hypnotized.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 21 2022 7:26 utc | 189

The increase in all cause mortality is not what you would expect with a major war or a depression or a significant pandemic. It is what you would expect with an asteroid strike on the planet. And it just vanishes from consciousness because the mighty Wurlitzer is playing a different tune. There is no way to get through to anyone who is going to start on how honest and straightforward nursing homes are, and how the magic of the market stops skulduggery.
Interesting that the classical Marxist on board is the one citing magic of the market and the invisible hand.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 21 2022 7:34 utc | 190

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 20 2022 23:34 utc | 187
In 2020 as the pandemic raged, while numerous deaths were reported as being associated with Covid-19, all-cause mortality didn’t budge. In other words, there was no significant increase in death – whoever died of the virus took the place of another, statistically, who would ordinarily have been recorded as dying from another cause
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That is certainly not the case for the USA. In Jan. and Feb. of 2020 US excess deaths were slightly below normal but after that they have been averaging around 10%-20% higher than normal until March this year. The stats show there have been about 1.2 million excess deaths since the pandemic began, about 1 million are attributed to covid.
Excess deaths in 2020 were slightly higher than in 2021 despite the lower deaths the first two months of 2020:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~USA
In Europe you can see the same trends. Below normal in Jan. and Feb. of 2020 and then higher ever since:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/DEMO_MEXRT__custom_3413366/default/line?lang=en

Posted by: jinn | Sep 21 2022 12:46 utc | 191

jinn
Quite remarkable the array of excess mortality charts that can be produced. You might want to be aware that these are normally flatline charts, they just don’t move. There is no slightly here and nothing is normal. The peaks and troughs in the charts you found do not line up at all with covid death charts.
Not even close.
Monthly excess mortality hitting 40% above baseline is the sort of statistical anomaly that does not occur once in the history of the planet. To make that occur by chance you would have to run the life of the planet millions of times. So find a wonk at Oxford to dummy up a chart and brush it all off.
Since you are going to believe Oxford and not me consider for a moment how actuaries and insurance companies would ever set rates or make money if the charts showed that much variability. Insurance would be a crapshoot. Yeah, insurance guys, those are reckless gamblers.
If Oxford and worldindata gave a crap they would work harder to make their chart match the covid chart. They simply don’t care.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 21 2022 13:26 utc | 192

https://www.soa.org/4a368a/globalassets/assets/files/resources/research-report/2022/group-life-covid-19-mortality-03-2022-report.pdf
Not an easy read. Actuaries don’t care if they are boring. Actually this is a page-turner bodice-ripper for actuaries.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 21 2022 14:14 utc | 193

Stephen Karganovic reports on the expert evaluation of the causes of the air crash near Smolensk that is one of the reasons for current Polish Russophobia and therefore of the war in Ukraine.
“…Poles should be up in arms right now at how their leaders and their foreign masters ruthlessly deceived and manipulated them following the 2010 plane crash near Smolensk that killed President Lech Kaczynski and 95 other prominent Polish government officials aboard as their aeroplane was attempting to land in dense fog. Polish public opinion was encouraged from the start to believe that the crash was not an accident but an act of sabotage for which the Russian side was to be blamed. The already existing rift between two neighbouring Slavic nations was aggravated by this perception.
“It appears nevertheless that facts about the crash that occurred in 2010 may have been misrepresented or swept under the rug but are finally beginning to emerge. As reported by the Indian news platform Republicworld.com an expose by the Polish television broadcaster Fakty TVN24 on September 12, 2022, has called into question the conclusions of the Polish government commission which studied the crash and which dutifully confirmed the official narrative of a Russian assassination plot.
“Republicworld.com reports that, contrary to the official Polish version, “a professional commission for investigating aviation accidents found the April 10, 2010 crash of the Tu-154 aircraft near the rudimentary airport was an accident caused by human errors in adverse weather and technical conditions….”
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/09/21/and-it-finally-hit-fan/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 21 2022 15:31 utc | 194

Grieved@187
Thank you for your informative post.
I had, as ‘old hippy’ points out (in his incredibly humorous style) misrepresented the weekly deaths reported currently as the daily rate. This was inadvertent.
The point, quickly lost, in the posts I have made on this subject, was that the Covid phenomenon is a reminder that, in a globalised society, pandemics are a real danger and that we should learn how to deal with them. So far as Covid is concerned it appears that, as has happened with previous similar outbreaks including the influenza pandemic of 1918/19, the virus has weakened in its effects. Currently five members of my family have contracted the virus and report that it is nasty but last only a couple of days and recovery seems to be rapid.
In other words the Covid outbreak may no longer be as dangerous as it was a year or so ago.
But the need to be prepared and to have medical facilities with reserve capacity capable of dealing with epidemics- a lesson lost in the neo-liberal ‘reform’ frenzy in Ontario in the decade before Covid- is undeniable.
On a more general level the need for both public health and healthcare systems to be under democratic control and insulated from profitmaking corporations is another lesson from all medical emergencies.
In both Canada and the United Kingdom socialist inspired public healthcare systems are currently being demolished, systematically, by ideologically motivated governments being paid to return the health sector to capitalist interests. As the USA demonstrates vast sums of money are in play because there is little limit to the price that people will pay for extended life.
To conclude: my interest in this matter is to emphasise the need to socialise the entire healthcare sector, from hospitals to pharmaceutical research and manufacture. It seemed to me that Covid provided a perfect opportunity for re-stating that argument. And that much of the disputation against quarantine, test and trace measures (the foolish denial of the role that masks can play in preventing communication of disease, for example) was not only born of Austrian School ‘libertarianism’ but encouraged and organisationally fostered by corporate interests desperate to protect profit centres from communal control.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 21 2022 15:57 utc | 195

“..There is no way to get through to anyone who is going to start on how honest and straightforward nursing homes are, and how the magic of the market stops skulduggery.
“Interesting that the classical Marxist on board is the one citing magic of the market and the invisible hand.” oldhippie@190
I was not for a moment suggesting that Nursing Homes were not a corrupt and corrupting sector of the economy.
You understood very well what I meant but could not resist the opportunity to cobble together a juvenile debating point. It really is not worth engaging with someone so prone to dishonesty and misrepresentation.
What is the point of asking a congenital liar to assist in discovering the truth?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 21 2022 16:07 utc | 196

Regarding how hospitals in the US treat COVID, one former patient’s harrowing account may be found here.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 21 2022 16:15 utc | 197

https://www.soa.org/4a368a/globalassets/assets/files/resources/research-report/2022/group-life-covid-19-mortality-03-2022-report.pdf
Not an easy read…
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 21 2022 14:14 utc | 193
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Actually that is pretty easy to read, especially if you go to the survey summary where it says:

“The 24-month period of April 2020 through March 2022 showed the following Group Life mortality results:
• Estimated reported Group Life claim incidence rates were up 20.0% on a seasonally-adjusted basis compared to 2017–2019 reported claims.”

The summary also addresses the pertinent point of this discussion which is that the group life mortality survey reveals that excess mortality was about the same in the last 3 quarters of 2020 as in 2021. The claim was made that there were no excess deaths in 2020 – you just provided evidence that claim is false.
Nobody in the actuarial business thinks death rates are a flat line. Typically in the winter months deaths are about 30% higher than the summer months. In recent years flu epidemics have resulted in spikes in the death rates almost as high as the covid spikes.
https://www.cairn-int.info/loadimg.php?FILE=E_POPSOC/E_POPSOC_587/E_POPSOC_587_0001/587-ang_Fig1.jpg

Posted by: jinn | Sep 21 2022 17:37 utc | 198

Position Paper of the People’s Republic of China For the 77th Session of the United Nations General Assembly


I. The world needs true multilateralism. Multilateralism is a cornerstone of the existing international order and an effective path to upholding peace and promoting development. In the world, there is only one international system, i.e. the international system with the United Nations at its core. There is only one international order, i.e. the international order underpinned by international law. And there is only one set of rules, i.e. the basic norms governing international relations underpinned by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter.

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There is but one China in the world and Taiwan is an inalienable part of China’s territory; the Government of the People’s Republic of China is the sole legal government representing the whole of China. Resolution 2758 adopted by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in 1971 restored the lawful seat of the People’s Republic of China in the UN, and settled once and for all the political, legal and procedural issues of the representation of the whole of China, including Taiwan, in the UN. The UN system, its specialized agencies and the UN Secretariat should abide by the one-China principle and UNGA Resolution 2758 when dealing with any Taiwan-related affairs. The one-China principle has become a universal consensus of the international community and a basic norm in international relations.
Resolving the Taiwan question to realize China’s complete reunification is the shared aspiration of all Chinese people. China will continue to work with the greatest sincerity and effort to achieve peaceful reunification, but will leave no room for any form of “Taiwan independence” secessionist activities. The Taiwan question is an internal affair that involves China’s core interests and the Chinese people’s national sentiments; no external interference will be tolerated.
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https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjdt_665385/wjzcs/202209/t20220917_10767412.html

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2022 18:15 utc | 199

@ bevin | Sep 20 2022 3:13 utc | 151
i agree with you in this quote :”I believe it is immoral to leave their production in private hands or to make profits from them. And that as long as the profit motive is there any objective assessment of their efficacy will be made difficult.”
further to this, it seems there is no better way to strike fear in the public then with the threat to ones health then with a planned pandemic.. this question has to be raised and examined, and it is impossible in an atmosphere where conversation on alternatives is shunned or worse – completely closed down… this is where we find ourselves in late stage capitalism.. everything will be used for the profit motive, but especially fear… how to sell fear and make it convincing?? i question everything around this pandemic at this point.. perhaps my reading has led me to believe that this was planned and it is not a position i have come to lightly..
i got the 2 shots from pfizer… afterwards i started questioning the veracity and value of these mrna vaccines… most of the people i know who have gotten covid have had the vaccine! and often times it is those who have gotten 3 or 4 shots! something doesn’t add up here bevin..
hgre is a thought for you… what if this ( covid ) was a planned take down of public health services in canada and elsewhere?? have you considered this?? you are focused on the profit motive, but if you think a bit more malevolently -and in way that i am sure private corporations think – you can imagine this i am sure..
i think we need to keep an open mind on all this and continue to question our gov’t with regard to all of this.. cheers and apologies for the late response! i resonate with grieved and oldhippies commentary to you upstream…

Posted by: james | Sep 21 2022 20:58 utc | 200