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September 4, 2022
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-144

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

> Despite the hopes pinned on them, sanctions typically don’t produce the regime change desired, and they take an enormous toll on those subjected to them. The very anticipation of sanctions triggers actions that preclude their effectiveness: aggressive states’ ambitions are stoked further by desire to secure additional resources to immunize against the deprivations of threatened sanctions. The premise of sanctions — that societies make political decisions based on economic rationalism like fear of falling living standards — is not borne out by history. People often prefer bad conditions to foreign rule. <


Other issues:

Technological Ignorance / Headline Disaster:

Brexit:

China:

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Brussels plans Europe to phase out gas by 2030.
Europe has gas storage for three months. This is 1131 TWh of gas, with a capacity to deliver 22 TWh per day.
A Tesla motor car battery is 50 kWh. The EU gas storage capacity is the same as the capacity of 22 000 million Tesla motor cars.
To replace the EU gas storage capacity by Tesla batteries by 2030 you would need to install 7.5 million Tesla batteries per day, every day between now and 2030.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 5 2022 17:35 utc | 101

Grieved & psychohistorian–
It’s now 2pm on Monday afternoon, and I’ve finally finished reading your various musings from last night. I do wish I’d been awake to participate. What I would have added initially is what I’ve been absorbing in Hudson’s America’s Protectionist Takeoff, 1814-1915, that Ricardian theory was more harmful than the Malthusian. Furthermore, one of the great problems at America’s outset was university’s were all religiously based/owned and mostly adhered to British Free Trade Theory, which was based on Ricardo and Malthus. With the rise of science in the early decades of the 19th Century, there was great resistance put forth by those universities and their owners, thus the need for new institutions. All the new knowledge had a very large impact of the development of an independent American political-economic theories. The verbiage differs but the substance is essentially the same. Hudson cites a book by Hofstadter I read 35+ years ago, Anti-intellectualism in American Life, that helps deal with what that anti-intellectualism was aimed at and how it affected our way of life both then and now. I know it’s impossible to read everything at once, but so many are singing from the same Jazz basis, each having their own arrangement molded around the same basic melody. What’s begged is a synthesis, which is what I see Crooke trying to do, while IMO Hudson seeks to tie the overall historical record together into an even greater synthesis using Graeber’s anthropological holistic approach–Hudson’s working so hard to get his work finished because he feels time for him is short and the task remains large.
Escobar gets it all but his ability to express it isn’t as good, so he sticks to what he does well, although he can go very deep at times. What he is wary of is his audience, which is global and has unequal language facilities; thus, his KISS approach some mistake for lack of rigor.
I’ve yet to read the entire essay, but Crooke’s SCF effort is along the lines of our discussion, “Existential Disquiets: Financial War Against the West Begins to Bite”. Again, I must emphasize that Ricardian and Malthusian thought captured the Anglo-America-European elite long ago as it’s an extension of Bacon’s dystopianism that I’ve expounded on here before. Essentially, the argument is there’s only enough resources for the Golden Billion, so the unwashed masses must be culled. But both Xi, Putin and the American School of Abundance (US Political-Economy prior to 1910) argue the opposite, as does a host of others. And what we’re discussing is that Bigger Picture I told someone upthread we occasionally discuss here, but don’t do so often enough because of the seemingly greater urgency of the smaller, related issues. And yes, there’s far more to this than I have time to write currently–Hesse called it The Wheel that rules all of us.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 5 2022 21:38 utc | 102

@ karlof1 | Sep 5 2022 21:38 utc | 102
thanks karlof1.. for a change, i recognize all the references you mention, but even better – the strategic culture link opens here in b.c.! yahoo.. i can read sc again without going to the cache in google search… thanks for the ongoing conversations you are all having…

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2022 22:02 utc | 103

that article that @ 102 karlof1 linked to is excellent and worth the read… the only quote i quibble with is near the very end
“Will a battered West start to listen? Possibly, but what seems to have shaken everyone, and may have been unexpected, was the explosion of visceral, Russophobia emanating out of Europe in the wake of the Ukraine conflict, and secondly, the way propaganda has been elevated to a level that precludes any ‘reverse-gear’.
the russophobia was totally planned the past 10 years and much longer in fact…. going back 10 years – syria, mh17, skripal and etc. etc… all leading up to this… that was a very intentional propaganda exercise on the part of the west that has brought us to this place…

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2022 22:22 utc | 104

maybe i didn’t understand the word visceral!! that is probably it…

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2022 0:29 utc | 105

To replace the EU gas storage capacity by Tesla batteries by 2030 you would need to install 7.5 million Tesla batteries per day, every day between now and 2030.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 5 2022 17:35 utc | 101
O’really?
Meanwhile, there is a small township in Southern Bavaria. The greenest town in Germany. There will be no shortage of gas or electricity. The local farmers, no longer need to worry about the 2028 50% cut in farm subsidies too. Yet do not need your Tesla battery bank either.
Over in the neighboring country called Austria. Approximately 64% of the country’s energy needs. Is from renewable energy sources.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 6 2022 1:22 utc | 106

“Everything that’s happened and is happening becomes much simpler and it all makes sense when you force yourself to think the impossible. If you experimentally adopt the position that our government is actively working to harm us, to dismantle modern society and enslave the people in a digitally controlled totalitarian world, it all fits.”
Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Sep 4 2022 21:29 utc | 45
Although I sometimes equivocate – mainly to test things from different perspectives as is my wont since childhood – most of my posts come from this not so much as an assumption but a best-fit deduction based on observing the overall pattern and thrust of events which, as they have been unfolding, though never offering clear proof, never contradict it and indeed often seen to fit in quite nicely.
I am not sure if he is going far enough though by only naming ‘the government.’ Seems to me it’s not really USG per se and also seems like many other govs are involved and I would like to know how much or little they coordinate with Russia, China and others. And I would like to see further in terms of what their motivation really is.
But of course first many more of the main players should be named. I regard it as significant that at least to date even though it might help them greatly to do so, neither RF nor China has done so, probably because it violates a movers-and-shakers-of-the-world code (ruling class solidarity) or because they have skeletons they would like to remain swaddled in their closets.
Meanwhile, specifically involving one govt, an angry report from Kirsch, saying it’s his most important post of the 700 he has made so far on his substack:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/exclusive-proof-that-the-top-israeli
“This is the most IMPORTANT article I’ve written to date
This is the most important article on my Substack (which has over 700 articles). This one article should bring down the house of cards if there is just one honest person in a position of authority in the world.
The single most important point is this:
We now have proof of:
Serious side-effects of unknown duration, perhaps irreparable
Causality: these were not just “coincidences”
Government corruption to hide these harms
Correlation between vaccine doses and deaths from multiple independent studies on multiple independent datasets
No interest in seeing the expert report or the video from any mainstream news media, any member of the mainstream medical community, any lawmaker, any public health official anywhere in the world.
The precautionary principle of medicine now demands an immediate halt to the COVID vaccination program.”

I doubt it will have any effect – seemingly these things rarely do – but it’s a good example of a government working directly against the interest of those they purport to serve, and multiple officials violating their oaths because these people serve what they believe to be a higher master. That being the case, depopulation agendas are not so far-fetched because those who don’t value their word or their honour do not value their hearts or their spirits, and those who do not value those do not value human life. Elementary, Dear Watson!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 1:44 utc | 107

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 5 2022 5:52 utc | 90
“Theirs is a crime of an entirely special category. We have yet to decide on the punishment. We should talk more about this.”
It has been said that the question oft contains the answer. You asked at the top:
“why is it that all the secret societies that have wielded and currently do wield power and influence are…secret?
Who exactly are they afraid of?
Why exactly are they operating in secret?
What is the true balance of power, in which they operate, that exposure can jeopardize their schemes?
We know the answers to those questions of course, but we forget, so it’s worth remembering.”

First off, I don’t know the answers and would appreciate hearing yours.
But I believe one core reason why they are secret is one you mentioned, namely crime. What they do is criminal. Crimes harm. They lead society and derive much plunder therefrom. They plunder mainly from the populations over whom they hold sway, albeit secretly. This ongoing extraction is through fraud. The monetary system is fundamentally fraudulent as are most government department missions and practices.
So they have to hide who they are and what they do just like thieves and bank robbers. They think they control the system now and so can operate without fear of exposure or prosecution. This is making them more brazen and more greedy, for their desire for more is insatiable because it is the driving force of who they are. They will never stop unless they are stopped. They cannot be stopped until they are exposed.
Media and Intelligence are seamlessly interwoven. Intelligence and High Finance and Deep State are seamlessly interwoven. Such endemic corruption cannot be excised from within.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 1:53 utc | 108

The Solomon Islands quietly approaches freedom from the westies in the pacific. Hooray. Some background here:
https://journal-neo.org/2022/09/05/who-owns-solomon-islands-now/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2022 2:17 utc | 109

@ BM | Sep 5 2022 7:49 utc | 94
I understood Grieved’s words differently as I overlooked the problematic use of the word “exists” in the description of a universe “perfect, ineffable, formless, constant and ever-present…and yet there is a display of phenomena that it manifests continually – a display, not a reality – which arises and then dissolves back into the essence of the universe – that essence being the very nature of reality itself – whence it came.”
What I hear captured in poetic prose is similar to what Nagarjuna points to in his seventy verses:
67] Nothing exists by virtue of own-being, nor is there any non-being here.  Being and non-being, born through causes and conditions, are empty.
[68] Since all things are empty of own-being, the incomparable Tathagata teaches dependent co-origination regarding things.

and the teachings on form is emptiness and emptiness is form.
… the dance of ultimate and relative reality, inseparable, alive.

Posted by: suzan | Sep 6 2022 2:25 utc | 110

“the description of eons of an expanding universe and eons of a contracting universe, and so on….as a medium for the Buddhist teachings of non-self, impermanence, and dukkha.
Posted by: BM | Sep 5 2022 7:49 utc | 94
Now compare:
“the universe already exists in its perfect being, ineffable, formless, constant and ever-present…and yet there is a display of phenomena that it manifests continually – a display, not a reality – which arises and then dissolves back into…the very nature of reality itself – whence it came.
Posted by: Grieved | Sep 5 2022 4:16 utc | 82″

You began with: “Sorry Grieved, but that is the opposite of what the Buddha said – he said everything is constantly changing – no exceptions.”
Yes, every THING, every composite thing is constantly changing. But the nature of things, including the nature of mind, never changes for it doesn’t exist, it is a quality without form.
Put another way: what is the inference from impermanence? One side is ‘non-self’ and another side is ‘dukkha.’ One side is logical inference one side is felt, or emotional, inference.
Non-self basically is saying that because everything is constantly changing it is not solid, not permanent, not definable, actually not existent at all. (There is suffering because all beings in creation desire to experience, to live and it is painful to be hurt or to let go and die, also our predilection for pleasure makes us dislike pain so even our experience of pleasure is as a relief from pain or worry about future pain and thus is always fraught with existential angst.)
But the point is, the basic teaching of the Three Marks (suffering, impermanence and insubstantiality/egolessness) is not different from emptiness/sunyata and also not different from nature of reality/mind. These are the Three Turnings of the Wheel which tackle the same things from different levels of realization. Put folksily:
First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is.
First there is a self (which needs to be deconstructed by contemplating impermanence etc)
Then there is no self (whose emptiness needs to be expanded into boundless compassion and wisdom without any limits – the Maha/great in Mahayana
Then there is self (indestructible vajra/being because the nature of mind is Awake which is always there beyond birth and death because it is unborn and undying. And yet there is experience, clearly, both inner and outer, the inner often being called something like ‘nature of mind’ or ‘primordial wakefulness’ and the outer often being called ‘appearances’ or Grieves ‘display.’
The Buddhadharma is holographic but also multi-layered, or contains multiverses, the same things become different from different perspectives of the same things.
Anyway, I think the BIG WAR is mentioned in Grieve’s posts here, namely a struggle between the rigid, in fact deadening view arising from materialism, which ultimately believes that all life is lifeless mechanical versus non-materialism which experiences life as creative, dynamic, abundant and ultimately sacred – natural clouds forming, dissolving and reforming. The natural world is both empty and vivid at once.
The ruling elites are applying a materialist mindset to power which they accrue to themselves by controlling means of production, distribution, organization or perception-management. Having acquired such power it becomes solidified in their mind as a something which they desire to hold onto (akin to holding onto self) so that it can become permanent and their happiness therefore be without end in a vain attempt to vanquish the inevitable karmic unravellings of impermanence and dukkha.
Materialism tries to deny impermanence as well as the playful, ephemeral or ‘unreal’ nature of reality, aka ‘display.’ Life more resembles a living waking dream than solid mechanical physicality. If you look at experience directly, that’s how it always is, never-changing though witnessing constant change.
And so it goes…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 2:44 utc | 111

Posted by: suzan | Sep 6 2022 2:25 utc | 110
67] Nothing exists by virtue of own-being, nor is there any non-being here. Being and non-being, born through causes and conditions, are empty.
[68] Since all things are empty of own-being, the incomparable Tathagata teaches dependent co-origination regarding things.
and the teachings on form is emptiness and emptiness is form.
… the dance of ultimate and relative reality, inseparable, alive.

There’s a short meditation liturgy I like whose concluding section reads as follows, the last three lines especially relating to this discussion:
This everyday body naturally emanates the virtuous radiance of a Bodhisattva
Whose compassionate heart nobly joins with all beings of higher, lower and equal status
Manifesting the three types of confidence: “be decisive, know what is, see clearly”
Rejoicing in fearlessness, generosity and good humour
Relaxing in the profound simplicity free from inner and outer
Relishing the luminous non-dual dance of form with emptiness emptiness with form
In the indestructible spaciousness of unborn undying Vajra Being.
[from a text entitled the Short Liturgy of Vajra Being]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You can see there is some combination of abundance and creativity on the one hand with emptiness, or more experientially put, spaciousness on the other.
A Tibetan teacher once said: ‘suffering is energy, impermanence is the consort you dance with and egolessness gives you the strength to be!’

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 2:58 utc | 112

@ Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 1:53 utc | 108
I think you’ve described pretty concisely what I was trying to put together. There’s a reason I put secrecy and media propaganda in the same post, but it was pretty incoherent. I was trying to figure out the right words to make the connection between these two things, and still am. It’s been nagging at me for some time, and I’ll probably keep thinking out loud while I chew on this bone.
But you’ve said most everything I was trying to put in words. But there’s more to be said about that business of crime.
~~
Try this, see if it makes sense:
What the secret actors do is that which public sentiment would disapprove of if it were publicly known. It might not even be a crime in itself, simply a thing contrary to the general aspirations of society. This shows the strength of “public opinion”, because even if no crime is occurring, and even if there is no specific regulatory force to stop the secret action, the sheer public disapproval of it could be enough to stop it. So it’s akin to peer pressure, in a well functioning society, I think.
And I suppose a sociopath is someone who is immune to that pressure. I don’t find that a very effective word in everyday use, but I guess it’s part of what we’re talking about.
As you’ve described, the media is now one solid actor, a unified accomplice to the act of deception behind which secrecy is maintained. That in itself should be a crime, and I think that currently it is not.
Reinstating the fairness doctrine, as psychohistorian commented, would go a long way to making it a crime again. But you suggest this can’t be reformed from within, and probably breaking up the de facto corporate monopoly is the only real answer. Changing ownership of the narrative. This is happening organically with the rise of the alternate media – every monopoly always inspires a competitor – but what’s needed is public recognition and public policy that calls out the monopoly for what it is and enforces standards of impartiality.
One could say that the secret actors will always be with us, acting secretly and thereby deliberately out of society’s observation. But what the media have done is to enable and fuel an increase in secret action, simply by lying themselves. The media itself is now a secret actor, and it is essentially all one actor.
The media’s crime of deception is in many ways and in many cases a larger crime than the instances of secrecy it conceals.
So, everything you said.
~~
I’ll stop here, this could drag on for hours, chewing on this bone.
We talk to find common language, to describe things in ways that can resonate with more people. Like the “One Percent” simple concept, as an example. And the concept of “Fake News” is a good one but the unified media crime of wholesale deception is more than just that, and deserves better words.
Thanks for your articulation.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 6 2022 3:20 utc | 113

@ suzan | Sep 6 2022 2:25 utc | 110
Thank you for overlooking my poor choice of word – of all the ones to throw in the mix I chose that one. Life is funny.
I always feel like a thief when I speak of the Dharma outside of a Dharma setting, because anything that sounds good comes from the wisdom of others, using perfect language that I adore but could never claim as my own.
Witness the verses of Nagarjuna you included.
That was a lovely post you made.
Many thanks.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 6 2022 3:51 utc | 114

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 6 2022 3:20 utc | 113
And thank you for YOUR articulation. Continuing before ending – and I agree with you about coming up with instantly grokable terms at some point:
Shifting from crime to deception (all phenomena have multiple aspects so why not shift view a little):
The perspective of those handling power is different from those who are its victims or subjects or employees etc. Difference between rulers and ruled.
This difference is the seed syllable birth place of secrecy. It also stimulates creative, even valid, deception at first can simply be the practice of not revealing that which cannot be understood in any case. As it develops and includes more complexity and dilution, from not revealing it might become actual hiding and then creating fictive constructs, aka lies, to mislead and hide more effectively.
This is narrative construction of mass media. Narrative creates reality. We have a narrative of self that awakes in the morning, brushes teeth, has breakfast, goes to work, plays with kids, loves wife and makes progress in both virtue and accomplishments through childhood, adulthood, old age and final death. This over-arching narrative provides context for all everyday occurrence allowing us to make sense of who we think we are and what reality we seem to be navigating through. Collective narratives provide collective realities binding us together with common language, morals, purpose, distraction, confusion, panic, despair, progress and so on.
So the art of controlling narrative is the art of controlling collective reality.
Some realities promote wisdom and compassion; others create pettiness, selfishness and cruel ugliness being much like different cities or neighborhoods reflect different realms and like different styles of being create different narratives.
So part of the reason for deception ab initio is the choiceless need for rulers to keep secret their perspective from the ruled because even if they tried to share it they could not. Importantly, the various classes also develop their own narratives and thus perceived realities which become mutually exclusive which can easily lead to a fractured and fracturing class system. And again: the classes cannot perceive life in the same way anyway so different narratives and mores is actually correct. That said, there is an art to it being healthy versus unhealthy which is a different topic.
[Politically Incorrect Aside: This is why royalty has some virtues, by the way, because the public persona and display of the monarch in his or her manifest presence in assemblies with peers and subjects IS a public display, IS a communication of how the ruler views and experience. This openness IS the essence of the royal function and is a mutual creation of ruler and ruled, a living art form.
When you don’t have the monarch principle in operation you have committees which usually end up being opaque and concept-laden without any way of sharing the ruler-with-ruled dynamic, actually a form of copulation. Without such copulation there is no connection or offspring and the society gradually atrophies.]
Anyway, the point of this thought meander has to do with:
– natural need for secrecy because of gap between leaders and followers which has both healthy and unhealthy aspects
– that secrecy engendering increasingly complex styles and levels of deceit, narrative control and ever more hidden leadership which prefers to cast its spell from afar using proxies without face to face
– society loses heart connection between members and degraded cultures – often extremely complex, confusing and soulless – result.
In other words there is both good and bad distinction/separation. A sane society promotes the former and uses it skillfully as a way to bring people together (perhaps in Upstairs Downstairs ways); a degraded society promotes the latter (bad) to the detriment of all.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:06 utc | 115

@ Tom Collins.
That film got really great in the end as you advertised. Strange. And real. You don’t often get inside peak into the Secret World of organized murder and mayhem lurking behind the obfuscatory pages and broadcasts of our ‘mainstream media.’
Of course one should buy it but if you want a peak: https://1337x.to/search/cold+case+hammarskjold/1/

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:11 utc | 116

@ Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:06 utc | 115
Fabulous post. Agreed. Will add to the mix.
Sleep…

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 6 2022 4:21 utc | 117

Below is a link to a Xinhuanet posting that I find funny
France, Germany to help each other through energy crisis
After centuries of competition over energy these countries are finally going to look at regional sharing and integration for the benefit of “the people” (not get lamp-posted).
Is Europe way more crazy than the US about regional power/water management and sharing? What is public/private and any government coordination/oversite? How are they going to cut though all that profit complexity to really do something?
The Western system is crashing in public view and that public understands it is not Russia’s fault, but those that own their government politicians.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 6 2022 5:42 utc | 118

This is a little late, and I’m sure MoA’s readers from outside the USSA should probably care less, but for the American Labor Day holiday I just re-watched “Harlan County, USA” and what a great way to remember and take inspiration from the US labor movement. We’re in such a shit place now and believe me I do blame the Democrats more, but for legitimate reasons (not Rush Limpbaugh nonsense).
THIS is how we come together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2aPy_XVVZ4
How it works in the ‘digital’ age has not really been addressed sufficiently.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 6 2022 5:45 utc | 119

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:06 utc | 115
Did you get a chance to watch Cold Case Hammarskjold yet? I’m thinking you’re going to come back and say W..T..F?!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 6 2022 5:46 utc | 120

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 5 2022 4:38 utc | 83
Thanks for the Capra ref.
My nan gave me a copy of The Tao of Physics many years ago. That was an interesting and thought-provoking read, I’ll try grab a copy of The Systems View of Life soon.
Cheers

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 6 2022 5:49 utc | 121

Below is a Xinhuanet link that is the first of its kind that I have seen
China strongly condemns U.S. cyber attacks on China’s Northwestern Polytechnical University
The take away quote

She said that based on the analysis and tracing done by the joint team of CVERC and 360, the NSA’s cyber attacks and data theft against China are supported by a clear and complete chain of evidence, which involves 13 personnel in the United States who directly launched cyber attacks against China, and more than 60 contracts and more than 170 digital documents with U.S. telecom operators to build an environment for cyber attacks.
The reports showed that the United States used 41 specialized cyber weapons to launch cyber theft operations for over 1,000 times against Northwestern Polytechnical University and stole core technical data.
The United States has also long carried out indiscriminate audio surveillance against Chinese cell-phone users, illegally stole text messages from them and conducted wireless positioning of them, she said, adding that the U.S. behavior poses a serious danger to China’s national security and citizens’ personal information security.
“China strongly condemns this and asks the U.S. side to offer an explanation and immediately stop its unlawful moves,” Mao said.

People say that China has no teeth and they just keep telling others to stop doing what they consider to be unlawful……in order to enforce “law” one has to either be the top dog or there must be agreed upon laws that have consequences….like in Nuremberg days.
Lots of war crime claims. Which side will get to prosecute theirs?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 6 2022 5:49 utc | 122

Jonathan Pie has the last word on Boris
Many expletives but no weasel words so that’s a relief.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2022 8:54 utc | 123

Last century there was a sharp difference of opinion between those, such as Koch and Pasteur, who proposed that disease could be caused by invisible microbes, and others who held that epidemics are the result of evil vapours (mal’aria). Arguments that AIDS does not have an infectious basis are as quaint as those of the miasmalists.
A little bit of context-free knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 6 2022 9:42 utc | 124

The Solomon Islands quietly approaches freedom from the westies in the pacific.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2022 2:17 utc | 109
Say uncle t. Can one trump with oz gov propaganda pro-Ukraine arm “ABC”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-23/labor-suggests-foreign-aid-cuts-partly-to-blame-solomon-islands/101011094
PS 1 down under in Oz it is business as usual bar one
The new Oz government is no longer in denial of “Climate Change”.
The prior Oz LNP scum pm Scott (I got religion bad) Morrespin lived in denial of many things.
PS 2 The ALP paid off Macaroni of France with 3.4 billion Oz air dollars in compensation(bribes) for the AUKUS Nuke Sub.
Fun fact Oz navy has approximately 168 trained submariners and six Collins Class submarines. Requires a crew of 42 men each. With two spares and four active units. Lead ship HMAS Collins to retire in 2025.
A Yankee nuke submarine has a normal crew of 110 men. Oz has ordered eight nuke subs.
I wonder what the problem is?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 6 2022 10:41 utc | 125

Pakistan’s hybrid regime is coming to an end. What next?
First time I see public mentioning and even discussion(!) in Pakistan about the army’s dominant role in its last 75 years history. Hybrid =~ 75% army power vs 25% civilians.
Not yet much about the Punjabi upper middle class dominance in Pakistan’s power corridors but that may follow now that even Punjabi youth and lower middle class are fed up too.
Bangladesh’s independence already showed that Islam was a fake glue for these territories.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 6 2022 14:02 utc | 126

“Did you get a chance to watch Cold Case Hammarskjold yet? I’m thinking you’re going to come back and say W..T..F?!”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 6 2022 5:46 utc | 120
Yes, I replied above thusly:
@ Tom Collins.
That film got really great in the end as you advertised. Strange. And real. You don’t often get inside peak into the Secret World of organized murder and mayhem lurking behind the obfuscatory pages and broadcasts of our ‘mainstream media.’
Of course one should buy it but if you want a peak: https://1337x.to/search/cold+case+hammarskjold/1/
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:11 utc | 116
(PS. Unless of course they stumbled on something and then agreed to cover it up otherwise they would have been disappeared!!!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 14:05 utc | 127

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 6 2022 9:42 utc | 124
“Last century there was a sharp difference of opinion between those, such as Koch and Pasteur, who proposed that disease could be caused by invisible microbes, and others who held that epidemics are the result of evil vapours (mal’aria). Arguments that AIDS does not have an infectious basis are as quaint as those of the miasmalists.
A little bit of context-free knowledge can be a dangerous thing.”
Indeed. Take a gander at this (from simple search for ‘pasteur refutes pasteur’ because the way I heard about it years ago on his death bed he recanted what you profess above with ‘Arguments that AIDS does not have an infectious basis are as quaint as those of the miasmalists.’
http://www.susandoreydesigns.com/insights/pasteur-recant.html
“A Brief Criticism of Pasteur
candida-international.blogspot.com/2009/10/virology-is-religion.html
In a 250-page thesis on Antoine Béchamp, Marie Nonclercq, doctor of pharmacy, explains the clear advantage that Pasteur had over Béchamp: “He was a falsifier of experiments and their results, where he wanted the outcomes to be favourable to his initial ideas. The falsifications committed by Pasteur now seem incredible to us. On deeper examination, however, the facts were in opposition to the ideas developed by Pasteur in the domain of bacteriology . . . Pasteur wilfully ignored the work of Béchamp, one of the greatest 19th-century French scientists whose considerable work in the fields of chemical synthesis, bio-chemistry and infectious pathology is almost totally unrecognised today, because it had been systematically falsified, denigrated, for the personal profit of an illustrious personage (Pasteur) who had, contrary to Béchamp, a genius for publicity and what today we call ‘public relations . . .'””
I seem to recall a story of Bechamp who took a vial of some harmful bacteria and drank it down to demonstrated the falsity of germ theory. But maybe my memory is wrong: somebody else did drink vials of cholera bacteria though and lived to tell the tale: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/thank-man-who-drank-cholera-your-yogurt-180955197/
Ivermectin which is a modern miracle medicine with virtually no known side effects was developed from microbes in the soil. That said, my initial understanding of ‘terrain’ was the field or environment which would be similar to ‘vapors’ or ‘miasma.’ Ultimately it’s all the same since anything with substance comes from the earth (or ocean). One of the prime vectors of covid, for example, is drains since most viruses are flushed out of the body every day via the feces. That said, my transmission mechanic lives near a stream into which is poured sewage, clearly, since it stinks and he is as healthy and cheerful as can be as is his son. They probably have super-strong immune systems because of where they live.
In any case, approaches which try to eliminate the pathogen are crude and the result of over-simplistic view of reality – because of materialist fallacies which discount any non-physical elements in the life equation including but not limited to mind. The materialist fallacy is causing hundreds of millions of premature death every year I suspect with bad medicines, bad housing, cleaning and personal hygeine materials, bad food, bad enabling regulations and scientific scholarship and the prevention of different and better ways of doing all these things.
To my mind this is a far more urgent problem than abstraction-based guesstimates as to whether or not the current slow rise in global temperatures is other than already existing intermediate post-ice age cycles. Even if there is significant man-made effect we lack the ability to distinguish it from background oscillations let alone do anything about it. Far wiser to tackle pollution and stupidity which is in our purview.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 14:28 utc | 128

An article debunking germ-theory denialists:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/germ-theory-denial-in-the-age-of-the-covid-19-pandemic/
He makes many good points. But I find generally that people who repeat the term denier or denialists a lot to bolster their arguments are suspect…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 15:26 utc | 129

I seem to recall a story of Bechamp who took a vial of some harmful bacteria and drank it down to demonstrated the falsity of germ theory.
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 14:28 utc | 128

I’d read that said consumer was Max von Pettenkofer (a professor of hygiene, I believe).

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 6 2022 17:26 utc | 130

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 6 2022 17:26 utc | 130
Yes indeed:
https://www.lmu.de/en/newsroom/news-overview/news/the-father-of-hygiene.html
““When one takes a closer look at Pettenkofer’s work, the connections between the problems he faced and those confronting us today become obvious – as does the modernity of his scientific approach to them,” Suerbaum says. “Pettenkofer‘s dogma, namely that environmental factors play a central role in the course and dispersal of infectious diseases, remains as valid as it ever was.” The Institute that he founded, and which was later named after him, has retained its international reputation to this day. “Two centuries after his birth, we at the Max von Pettenkofer Institute are still making every effort to understand the pathogenesis of infections, to diagnose and treat them, and ultimately to prevent them,” Keppler says.”
Of course, the article goes on to ridicule this extremely successful and practical pioneer to extol Robert Koch, mentioned above.
I have little doubt that as with most life, it takes two to tango one a form (or solid/material) component and a formless (space/environmental) component which eludes measurement and thus definition. In our own being we have body and mind, the former being clearly measurable and the latter clearly not.
And so it goes…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 17:43 utc | 131

Bloomberg reports:

European aluminum production has already dropped to the lowest levels since the 1970s as the power-intensive industry grapples with skyrocketing energy costs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-06/europe-s-top-aluminum-plant-will-cut-output-22-on-energy-costs?srnd=markets-vp

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2022 17:49 utc | 132

FYI–
It’s come to my attention that Putin will address the EEF tomorrow the 7th, not the 9th as previously announced. There are a number of events posted at the Kremlin’s website while they are abridged at the English language site.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 18:18 utc | 133

Will the USA hold together through 2024? Earlier this year Covid-related complications took the life of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the bombastic perennial leader of Russia’s Liberal Democratic Party. He was known not just for his inimitable oratory but also for the uncanny accuracy of his predictions. For example, he predicted the start of Russia’s Special Military Operation in the Ukraine almost to the day—months before the fact and at a time when nobody else had much of a clue as to what would happen. Another prediction of his reads as follows: “There won’t be a US presidential election in 2024 because there will no longer be a United States.” Will he turn out to be prescient on this count too? Let’s watch!
http://thesaker.is/the-case-for-a-new-american-civil-war/
Ever since Jan 6 2021 have been suspecting that 2020 was the last Presidential election. Biden is doing all he can now to incite riots so that he can cancel them due to emergency. Probably won’t work in which case they’ll steal them again. At which point there will be no more point pretending the republic as was still exists in which case voting is just enabling the scam. Better to create something different.
To apply my fractal argument: to get rid of the corrupt first Republic it’s time to stop republicking and move onto something else like seceding or new-republicking…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 18:23 utc | 134

Very good PCR article on Unz:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/09/06/ron-unz-takes-on-the-false-narratives-of-our-time/

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 18:58 utc | 135

Just for interest in relative ratios for “botties” pro and anti Russ From Adeleide University-
“According to the researchers, 90.16 per cent of the accounts tweeting on the Russia-Ukraine war were “pro Ukraine” and only 6.80 per cent were “pro Russia”. “Balanced accounts” — those which showed mixed behaviour — comprised 3.04 per cent.
“The ‘ProRussia Not Bot’ account group has the largest outward information flows and significant flows to a range of other groups, having a positive information flow into both ‘ProUkraine’ and “Balanced” account groups, observed the researchers.
This means genuine pro-Russia users have the ability to influence more users on Twitter than genuine users who are pro-Ukraine.

Propaganda !
Source; https://theprint.in/tech/60-80-of-twitter-accounts-posting-on-russia-ukraine-war-bots-90-pro-ukraine-finds-new-study/1114878/
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See how useful MoA is in a different register…. I presume the same sort of ratio exists in the web.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 6 2022 20:38 utc | 136

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 14:05 utc | 127
Ah, must have missed it the first time. Glad you liked it. I was pretty shocked when we saw it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 6 2022 21:21 utc | 137

Today Putin’s in Vladivostok to attend several events. This morning it was the Vostok military maneuvers and meeting with Eastern Economic Forum Moderators, followed by a Meeting of the State Council Presidium on Tourism Development. Putin will address the EEF’s Plenary Meeting tomorrow. Here’s today’s and tomorrow’s program. As you’ll see, a great many topics are being discussed.
I’m not going to get into the topic too deeply here but feel it’s important to provide Putin’s opening remarks to the Presidium, my emphasis:
“And first of all, of course, we must think – we must always think about this, be guided by this, and in this area too – about the interests of our citizens. We must do everything necessary to ensure that people with different incomes have access to the widest opportunities for travel, health promotion, in order to receive positive emotions; to change the quality of life for the better; So that our citizens can visit traditional health resorts, resorts, relax by the sea, get acquainted with our capital cities, of course, including Moscow and St. Petersburg, other cultural and historical centers of Russia, with the unique nature of our vast country, including, of course, the nature of the Far East and the Russian North.”
Has any barfly ever heard such talk from their nation’s leader–concern that any/all citizens be able to travel for self-enrichment? Well, there’s yet another small aspect of Putin’s Political-Economy that’s premised on uplifting Russia’s Human Capital. Further on we read Putin saying, my emphasis again:
“The national project ‘Tourism and Hospitality Industry’ is aimed at solving these problems. Its key indicators are to more than double the number of trips of citizens in Russia by 2030, the fund of rooms in hotels with modern infrastructure by one and a half times and the number of jobs in this industry by almost half.”
Does that sound like a goal a failing nation would try to implement? And aside from helping citizens enrich their lives, what’s the other economic goal of such a plan? To further bolster the internal market and its related infrastructure–why build more hotels, airplanes and rail lines if they’re not going to be used? It also increases the domestic velocity of money and spreads it around the nation. This is part of what I’m calling Socialism with Russian Characteristics, for it’s not just Putin’s plan, although he’s certainly one of its top advocates.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 6 2022 22:30 utc | 138

the ending from one of G. Doctorow’s most recent pieces
I also like his astute put down of any and all cancel culture things now going on in the West, particularly in the US, Germany and the UK.
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/09/05/arena-di-verona-and-patriotismcivilizational-continuity/
“…..inally, in closing, I wish to share another impression from the last week, one formed last night in our hotel room when I watched on the Russian internet broadcaster smotrim.ru the News of the Week program hosted by Dmitry Kiselyov. This was an unusually serious program which directed a good half hour to remembering Gorbachev, who died in the past week and was just buried in Novodevichii cemetery with state honors. Kiselyov emphasized that among the less attractive Soviet government traditions which Gorbachev broke was to leave in peace and not discredit previous leaders. He pointed to the solemn respect for Gorbachev which Vladimir Putin displayed in his visit to the bier when it was on public display. And Kiselyov presented a very balanced coverage of Gorbachev’s achievements and failures as state leader. This is a kind of maturity in politics and general civility which has eluded American leaders in the past several decades right up to the present day….”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 7 2022 3:45 utc | 139

Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:06 utc | 115
Your tangent on the royalty was compelling, and your point in general that the ruling classes are by nature of different mindset from the ordinary people. But I want to remind us that many of our heroes are those who most definitely identified with the ordinary people. I think in many cases these leaders and rulers were of a noble nature and also saw the people as equally noble. And the people saw them as such.
I think, without having really given it deep thought, that this may be the greatest nobility, to see all people as inherently noble; dignified and worthy of respect. One still remains a ruler and makes rules over the people, but without holding oneself as better in station. Something like that.
Queen Elizabeth II for many decades was revered because in large part the ordinary people felt that she had a great sense of identification with the ordinary people of Britain (that’s my view, at least). I suspect this began to change with the advent of Diana, who showed an entirely new benchmark for “royal ordinariness”. Certainly Diana’s death betrayed the Queen’s drifted distance away from the people and their thought. In my opinion.
I do think that the ruling classes will have a natural attitude that says the common people don’t need to know what they’re doing, but I suggest that this doesn’t extend to the need for secrecy: privacy and secrecy are different degrees of isolation I think. (And there are obvious exceptions to that at the governmental level).
So, I tend on reflection now to disagree with your point about the need for the ruling class to act in secrecy or even within its own separate reality. I do think we will have ruling classes or bodies for the foreseeable future – we seem to want leaders, and need them to have a society. But I think the idea of egalitarianism has entered the world and never needs to leave it now.
So I’ll stand by the act of secrecy as unnecessary except to conceal objectionable behavior, and the enabling of secrecy by the media as a crime in itself. And I’ll call it all baseless and unjustifiable. And maintain that society has a vested interest in regulating it.
I’m just offering these thoughts for completeness, don’t feel a need to reply. This is an ongoing contemplation I think, and will certainly come up again in future threads.
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ps..thanks for the Kirsch heads-up, and your other offerings on things virological.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 7 2022 3:52 utc | 140

Below is a Xinhuanet posting about IP survey of foreign business

A staff member is pictured at the research and development center of Bayer HealthCare Company Limited Qidong Branch in Qidong, east China’s Jiangsu Province, Dec. 2, 2020.(Xinhua/Zhang Yuwei)
BEIJING, Sept. 6 (Xinhua) — Foreign enterprises are growing increasingly satisfied with China’s intellectual property (IP) protection, a survey released by the industry watchdog showed Tuesday.
Social satisfaction with the country’s IP protection last year show a record high of 80.61 out of 100 points, according to the survey released by the National Intellectual Property Administration.
Zhang Zhicheng, an official with the administration, highlighted that joint ventures and foreign-funded enterprises showed scores of 4.52 points and 2.36 points higher than the figures for 2016, respectively.
The official attributed the high level of satisfaction to stronger legislation, more effective law enforcement and more efficient IP examination.
The year 2021 marks the 10th consecutive year that the administration has performed such a survey. The respondents, mainly IP holders, professionals and the general public, are invited to grade an array of IP issues, including law enforcement, management and services.
Noting that foreign enterprises enjoy equal treatment with their Chinese counterparts, Zhang said that the number of patents and trademarks granted to foreign applicants in 2021 increased by 23 percent and 5 percent year on year, respectively.
“The growth fully demonstrates foreign enterprises’ recognition of China’s IP protection,” said Zhang.

Is there even such a survey elsewhere in the world?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 7 2022 4:17 utc | 141

Below is a pithy commentary from Xinhuanet

COVID-19 origins tracing is a scientific matter and should be conducted by scientists worldwide with a rigorous approach, instead of being politicized and used as a ploy to cover up some Western politicians’ botched pandemic response.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 7 2022 4:32 utc | 142

Very good PCR article on Unz:
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 18:58 utc | 135
Found one very big hole/error. Name cited Erhard Milch. Father’s religion Jewish Mother is genteel. However, he would not have been considered Jewish according to that religion’s orthodoxy (or halakha), which states that a person’s Jewish status is passed down through the mother.
In addition, was actually convicted of War crimes. Sentenced to life imprisonment. Commuted in 1951 for fifteen years. Paroled in 1954. Died in 1972 as the last living as the last living Luftwaffe Field marshal.
Undoubtedly more are likely to exist.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 7 2022 8:58 utc | 143

In other news, the narcissistic sociopath DJT was angered by his Trumpite chorus over their antics concerning “CNN”. I would believe a number of Trumpite gun owners have very serious mental health/goldfish memory issues.
Of the remaining 18 law suites, he is facing. He gained a pyrrhic victory on one.
One is partially on hold. Another seventeen are still biting his posterior. Including one who he thought could have been brought off for five cents in the dollar in 2001. Based on a fictitious balance sheet.
Since the GOP mid-term election circus of disaster is now upon us. Fun times ahead!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 7 2022 9:18 utc | 144

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 7 2022 3:52 utc | 140
“So I’ll stand by the act of secrecy as unnecessary except to conceal objectionable behavior, and the enabling of secrecy by the media as a crime in itself. And I’ll call it all baseless and unjustifiable. And maintain that society has a vested interest in regulating it.”
All well said. I want to revisit the royalty question not as an advocate in today’s context but to clarify why it came up which was an example of leadership. A mechanic shop owner is the leader of that domain but not of the business next door or across the street. A Mayor presides over various important processes in his city but not of the region. And parents have a leadership role in relation to their children. And of course you have officers in relation to enlisted, perhaps the most clear cut example.
In all cases the leader has a perspective usually based on a combination of experience/expertise and responsibility. Let us take the simplest one, parents with children. Even if a father wants to communicate everything he knows and feels about any given topic or situation he cannot do so. For example, can he explain to his son the feelings he has for his wife? Or how to manage the relationship? Can he communicate in detail what the role of being father entails? To a certain degree, and if he is a master of communication, much can be transmitted from analogy or story, but most of the time the role doesn’t demand such communication but providing leadership and maintaining a certain distance because the role of leader is different from the role of subordinate.
Even a lowly lieutenant has to maintain distance from the men for the lieutenant will relay orders from above to charge over the trench and into almost certain death. You cannot get too chummy with the man who is going to order you to your death. And the lieutenant cannot share with the men how that responsibility makes him feel even were he to try and indeed were he to try the men would resent him and respect him less for it.
The boss in the mechanics shop can only fraternize so much. He has to reserve a certain authority so that he can give orders, admonish or encourage as needed and so forth.
So I wasn’t thinking about class systems nor hereditary systems of authority even though it sounded that way. I think the notion of royalty came up because we are discussing national polity dynamics so royalty is an example of national leadership, one which involves a living individual versus a written constitution or multiple-member committees within checks and balances systems with multiple different committees (congress, judiciary, CIA, NSA, CoC etc. etc.).
Every country has some sort of version of ‘executive privilege’ for example. Presidents – like many others in similar roles – have to assimilate information from different sources over time and also brainstorm quite a lot of ‘what ifs’ some of which latter, were they to be leaked, might make many uncomfortable or even enraged. There is a need for confidentiality. Just as with parents having a private conversation about their teenager who just got sent home for fighting at school: they need time to absorb the news and reflect on what is going on with their boy and 99% of the time that conversation should happen without that boy being present!
The root notion I clumsily tried to communicate was at a non-verbal level wherein someone in a leadership role has a perspective that none of the followers has – simply by virtue of assuming that role. Their perspective is different precisely because they have the burden of command/responsibility and only someone in that particular role at that particular time can have that particular perspective.
There is no need to communicate this or deliberately keep anything secret rather it is ‘self-secret’ as is described in related vajrayana terminology. Indeed, the secret higher schools in Buddhadharma have historically been the source of most of the problems and scandals throughout history and many schools, such as the Theravada, regard them as heretic, perverted – not without good reason, I might add. For the secret stuff is also the most private and the most private is the most intimate, the battleground where good and evil co-emerge at the heart level just as during the last night during which he attained complete enlightenment, as the story goes, the Buddha wrestled with all demons external and internal, just as Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert before his enlightenment.
Similarly, the secret areas in a family or nation are not necessarily there for nefarious reasons but they often end up dealing with nefariousness coming from within and without the body politic. Difficulties happen; challenges happen; mistakes are made which have unfortunate consequences even when originally intentions were good.
However, once you get into deliberate hiding or even further deliberate misleading (lying) to hide more effectively, then you have gone too far as you have been arguing.
That is another virtue of royalty or dictatorship: by vesting ultimate authority in one individual, when things do go too far it is actually far easier to see it because a disturbed individual will manifest confusion, perturbation which will ripple throughout his or her entourage and be quite perceptible. However, with multi-layered committee (soviet) authority, this becomes not only harder to see (because the system itself becomes confused and confusing so individual behavior provides less meaningful clues) but far harder to remedy. A confused monarch can find a way to resolve the conflicts coming through on the other side with a resolution often by paying deep attention to inner conflict experienced and finding the way to resolve it. But if we are dealing with an implacably corrupt one it is relatively easy to overthrow him; a healthy upper class would find a way to throw him over, either with abdication in a sophisticated polity or simple exile or execution. Easier to cut off the head of one person than completely refashion the entire system with revolution, mass murders, burdensome ideologies which are always deficient, propaganda, re-assignment of roles and property and all the rest of it.
In the Bon tradition of Tibet it is said that the source of all negativity, aka ‘demons,’ is deception. When things are going well, a practitioner or master of sacred atmospheres, like a Shinto priest or Zen master (or King/President), can invoke sacred presence by summoning what in Tibetan are called ‘drala,’ which are like atmospheric spirits and, interestingly, whose literal root meaning is ‘beyond aggression.’ The obstacle to summoning such drala, it is said, is deception making deception the source of aggression which is a conflict with I and other. There can be NO deception when creating a sacred atmosphere / sacred perception. Classic royalty is the marriage of practical leadership with sacred perception because sacred perception happens naturally when Heaven and Earth are joined correctly. We witness this at weddings and funerals naturally. Time from past or future resolves into a vividly present moment saturated with a strong sense of awareness-presence (which you like writing about!). This is a natural thing requiring no mastery of arcane techniques. But for that to happen there can be no deception, no games, no lies, no bullshit.
Western polities are full of shit right now from top to bottom. Royalty won’t fix it, there is no basis for it (though England’s royal family shows that even in a highly confused and polluted polity the people naturally turn towards a symbol of leadership which her Majesty provides albeit in a highly constrained context wherein she has almost no actual leadership agency function whatsoever, it’s purely on the intuitive level where even so constrained it provides considerable influence).
So I guess that’s my final point on this secrecy rant: what matters ultimately with all these things I suspect is core motivation. A good society promotes goodness in all and a bad society doesn’t (over-simplifying greatly). The art of national leadership and governance systems has to be grounded in appreciation for and wisdom about promoting goodness which is fundamental to our natures and the nature of this planetary realm sphere we all share, as if in collective dream. It is fundamentally good (the meaning of the Dzogchen central deity KuntuZangpo – the All Good – if you read that stuff which I suspect you do).
Then there have to be ways to cleanse things once they have become defiled. The most common method is war since perversion usually roils rivers of aggression, or conflict, just as in a bad marriage the couple ends up fighting all the time, that shouting at each other being the only remaining way of expressing their connection, indeed their love.
Look at America: a non-stop fight with every section fighting with every other: WH with Congress with Judiciary with media with Intelligence with People with each other and each with all the others ad infinitum. No single neck to be severed from no single head!! So civil war is virtually inevitable though an amicable divorce (via lawful secession) would be the best non-violent solution since that effectively gets the current federal-level liars and cheats out of leadership roles relative to residents of any given State if it secedes from the federal union. Of course, once left with State leadership things could get worse but in theory they get easier to correct. In theory…
In any case, positive secrecy may be a function of role as I’ve suggested but it can only be positive in a sane, wise context. Absent that context and it tends to be a conduit for pernicious corruption which we now see flagrantly manifest in every aspect of western polity from top to bottom.
Sorry, this went on too long and perhaps wobbled about topic-wise too much! Appreciate the interchange because this type of analysis doesn’t often come up… an honour!
PS. I liked what you said about nobility which involves virtue, obviously, but also in a multi-generational class system only works if the underlying society is promoting goodness. It is helpful because leadership is a skill that takes time to develop and not all can do so well. In the short meditation text I cited earlier one line goes ‘This everyday body naturally radiates the loving virtuous qualities of a Bodhisattva whose compassionate heart nobly joins with all beings of higher lower and equal status’ – a nice description of nobility I’d say….

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 7 2022 12:05 utc | 145

“Found one very big hole/error. Name cited Erhard Milch. Father’s religion Jewish Mother is genteel. However, he would not have been considered Jewish according to that religion’s orthodoxy (or halakha), which states that a person’s Jewish status is passed down through the mother.”
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 7 2022 8:58 utc | 143
Yes, but many half-Jews like that were dis-located into the camps, the Jewish tradition not being the reference point for Nazi German authorities. The point in the article was that over 150,000 Jews and part Jews served honorably in the military in Nazi Germany. This sort of goes against the thrust of some of the other narratives developed after the war was over and Germany unconditionally surrendered (following which surrender more Germans were killed or starved to death or raped than during the entire war).
A distant family member of mine, for example, was a Jewish diamond merchant who, I have been told having never met him, lived the entire war in Berlin and remained there for many decades thereafter until his death. His father was a Belorussian rabbi so he was full-on Jewish. His brother didn’t fare so well though again I don’t know the details: he helped found Tel Aviv and owned much of the main street there but had a falling out with the early government who somehow had him shipped off to Russian gulags for many years where I think he died. So the Jew in Germany had a long and comfortable life in that country but not the Jew in Israel. It may not mean anything, of course, but it’s a little ironic. A lot of lies are told by a lot of people all the time, but especially during wars. Stories grounded in truth get twisted and distorted until they bear little resemblance to their origins. But in any case, it’s an oft-overlooked factoid that 150,000 Jews served in the German military during WW II, many of them at high levels.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 7 2022 12:14 utc | 146

@karlof1 | Sep 7 2022 17:22 utc | 147
Thanks!

Posted by: too scents | Sep 7 2022 17:40 utc | 147

karlof1 | Sep 7 2022 18:38 utc | 148
Karlofi, I found it here:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69299

Posted by: crone | Sep 7 2022 18:59 utc | 148

Sorry to interrupt some ongoing conversations – I don’t want to start us in on covid but this at nakedcapitalism.com a day or so ago got my attention, so just a further bit of info perhaps as to getting, if possible, those variants under control:
“The corona virus variants of concern are emerging from chronic long-term COVID-19 infections in people who may be immune-compromised and unable to clear the virus, a new study by Emory and @ Uni of Oxford scientists strongly suggests.
links.emory.edu/of ”
That was how it printed out at NC – I didn’t see any comments on it further than something like ‘worth considering’.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 7 2022 22:50 utc | 150

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 5 2022 4:16 utc | 82
Thank you, Grieved! In no way can I say that all of this is understandable to me, but now I know why I cannot stand to hear the dialogue which accompanies such shows as Nova, at the same time as I am overawed by the actual photography as more and more visible aspects of what we are all part of come into focus. The same way I hated the matter of fact revisualizing they would do concerning the origins of human life, the ‘primitive’ ways of early humans(Nat. Geographic is into that as well) as though science has been completely understood and has a beginning and an end that they the scientists now absolutely know.
And as well, that science and faith are ‘never the twain shall meet’ subjects either/or, when they are not. They complement one another. It rather reminds me of what I suspect the Anasazi priests were like — they had a certain degree of knowledge of astronomy, which gave them power over the people, and they used it pretending they knew more than they actually did. Then when their prophecies failed, the people realized, and they packed up their families and left for other places. I now live on the land of those who left Chaco Canyon to settle elsewhere.
[Sorry – I am playing catchup due to family doings the last couple of days. Thanks for a lovely article!]

Posted by: juliania | Sep 8 2022 0:13 utc | 151

“…In other words there is both good and bad distinction/separation. A sane society promotes the former and uses it skillfully as a way to bring people together (perhaps in Upstairs Downstairs ways); a degraded society promotes the latter (bad) to the detriment of all.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 6 2022 4:06 utc | 115
That reminds me of the nearly day long conversations Putin has with the Russian community – even though it cannot be done that every person has his ideas presented in that format, it is symbolic of the larger and traditional way of a flow of communication between leader and citizens (I don’t want to say subjects, as I believe he thinks of them as equals.) The Chinese system is much the same, communications are fluid from citizen to leadership.
I remember that when Obama was elected, he set up an online form of direct communication for citizens to use — but it was quickly dismantled as unusable. But that could not have been so. Simply, he did not wish to hear the many voices – other voices had already led presumably the way he wanted to go, long before he’d actually taken the role of president.
I like your ‘Upstairs Downstairs’ image. That was a system in which the point was stressed that the worlds meshed under duress. The US has a term now ‘Flyover Country’ which describes the separateness, the gulf between ordinary folk and the ubers. It seems that is not going to last, and that is a good thing.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 8 2022 1:03 utc | 152

That was a system in which the point was stressed that the worlds meshed under duress. The US has a term now ‘Flyover Country’ which describes the separateness, the gulf between ordinary folk and the ubers. It seems that is not going to last, and that is a good thing.
Posted by: juliania | Sep 8 2022 1:03 utc | 152
I would say the worlds messed 24/7 as a matter of course. Upstairs-downstairs happens mainly in the context of large households (although even miners had servants until the post-war era, usually 1-2 cleaning ladies because of the huge amounts of laundry they needed done). But also, along with so-called ‘class’ (as in upper, middle, lower etc.) there is role distinction (another type of class as in classification or order). Bus driver, taxi driver, butcher, parking meter officer, police officer, shop assistant, doorman, receptionist, waiter, chef and so on ad infinitum. Such roles in a society which enjoys role-playing creates a society in which interaction becomes a form of learning, of waking up, of reaching beyond oneself.
To much emphasis is put on getting ahead, making more money, gathering possessions although these things are fine. But there is more to success than achieving measurable progress, there is also having a sense of place in society, of pride in work. Also, those working for great people above them derive pleasure and honor from the association and they also help the great ones be great so the whole upper-lower dynamic is actually a mutual creation with both sides needing the other to make the production work. It’s ultimately a very compassionate exercise.
In good societies that is. There’s the rub!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 1:27 utc | 153

worlds MESHED not messed. Sorry.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 1:28 utc | 154

“… the Buddha wrestled with all demons external and internal, just as Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert before his enlightenment.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 7 2022 12:14 utc | 146
With respect, Scorpion, for most Christians, that would not be an adequate explanation. A valuable message I received from my own daughter who is Buddhist after living in China for some of her college years, is contained in a valuable book she passed on to me – “The Good Heart” – being conversations between the Dalai Lama and British theologians in 1996. One of the Dalai Lama’s points was that even though there were moments of conjunction between the two faiths, (and I would suggest even closer ones between Buddhism and Orthodoxy than in this case with Anglicanism) they are not interchangeable or the same. So, you cannot describe Jesus’ facing the Devil as ‘enlightenment’. There is an entire system for each, and the person entering either one must do so wholeheartedly, not carrying over one such important element into the faith of the other.
Once that is recognized it is possible for each to have respect for the other. I would love for my daughter to have remained Orthodox, as she was when a child. Life experiences have made that hard for her – but in my own tradition Christ found great faith outside of his own world – the story of the Canaanite woman is an example of that. It isn’t said that she became a follower, simply that she needed his help and he gave it. In any case, it is a mystery how this works, but clearly for Putin it does as well. There is multipolarity in genuine faith of whatever kind. And we Orthodox love, if we love anything, mystery.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 8 2022 2:14 utc | 155

Posted by: juliania | Sep 8 2022 2:14 utc | 155
Well, I think we can all say what we want although I happen to agree with Dalai Lama about not mixing them. He also urged Westerners to stay within their own culture, specifically as Christians, rather than changing, which I also agree with for most people. But given how many westerners now grow up non-Christian, there is bound to be some cross-fertilization. In my case, although I was a happy Church of England choirboy up to the age of 12, and although I went to church every morning at school from the age of 7 until 17, it never took. I enjoyed going to church, the readings, the psalms but it never took at all nor do I recall a single conversation with anyone – teacher or parent – about it. Not once. It was something out there in society which I did, but it never became something personal for myself and I don’t think I thought once about it.
But how would you describe what happened to Christ with Satan after his 40 days? Was he different afterwards? I seem to recall it being a big deal in his life but I honestly can’t remember the story any more it’s been so long.
In any case, since you object to the word enlightenment, the fact is that he had to face the temptations of the Devil at some point in his spiritual journey.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 2:57 utc | 156

Depopulation watch:
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-breeding-infected-mosquitoes/
“In a plant in Colombia, Bill Gates is currently producing 30 million bacterially-infected mosquitoes every week and he has threatened to “scale and deliver” the mosquitoes to “communities around the world.”
As part of his World Mosquito Program (WMP), the Microsoft founder and self-declared World Health Czar has already invested $185 million in the establishment of the mosquito factory.
What is the project’s stated purpose? In order to eradicate native mosquito populations thought to be responsible for dengue, zika, and other viral illnesses in humans, it is necessary to utilize mosquitoes that are infected with a bacteria that induces sterility.
Gates, whose unethical “cervical cancer vaccine” trials have drawn criticism from the Indian Parliament, uploaded the video below to his YouTube channel. In the description of the video, Gates provides a broad overview of how the WMP operation in Medelln—the location highlighted in the marketing gimmick—breeds mosquitos with the bacteria Wolbachia on purpose before releasing them “across the country to breed with wild mosquitos that can carry dengue and other viruses threatening to sicken and kill the population.””
To be fair, this sounds beneficial. But he and others have also been researching delivering vaccines by mosquito.
This is what is (reasonably) rumored to have caused Lyme Disease. Although the USG denounces the story as a conspiracy theory, fact is that on Plum Island in the New York sound, biowarfare research was conduced for decades (ex-Nazis involved I believe from Paperclip Op) which included using ticks as the vector for transmission. They had already considered this in D-land during WWII to infect Russian cattle to cause starvation but rejected the approach because it was too hard to control and might mass murder humans (memory hazy on this so don’t quote). In any case, for sure they were working on ticks as vector for new nasty combinations (bacterial infection + swine flu virus etc.). And the first recorded cases happened one summer in the 70’s when a whole load of children came down with nasty summer flus in Lyme, Connecticut, about 10 miles from Plum Island.
Ticks have been used as vectors, in other words.
Why not mosquitoes. If they breed and the offspring still carry the pathogens, it could go on forever. Ticks pass it onto their offspring. Every rat, cat, dog, most songbirds in US carries Lyme now and it has spread world wide from bird migrations.
This Bill Gates messing around with mosquitoes business should be illegal. But of course it isn’t.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 3:17 utc | 157

For people who want to know what the American elite – neocon side – really think, attend this event:
Hoover Book Club: The Myth of Inequality

Monday, September 26, 2022
3:30 p.m. Pacific
with Senator Phil Gramm, John Early, and John B. Taylor
In person location: Hauck Auditorium, David & Joan Traitel Building

Yes, THAT Gramm of Glass-Steagall fame.
And THAT Taylor of the Taylor rule.
Early is an AEI economist – i.e. likely a deacon of the neoliberal school.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 8 2022 10:30 utc | 158

NEW DELHI September 08, 2022: India maintains silence as Pakistan gets $450 million package for F-16 fleet from U.S.
This while Pakistan in flooding: https://www.dawn.com/news/1708346/in-sindh-water-water-everywhere
Weapon sales good for US MIC, just who will pay for this and against who are these planes meant, China or India? Makes no sense.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 8 2022 10:50 utc | 159

In other news today. All Oz citizens will no longer live in ignorance of Climate Change. A complete reversal of the climate denial decree. That was issued by the corrupt Ex-PM Scott Morrespin seven years ago. A continuation of a decree formally issued by ex-catholic priest Tony Abbott in 2013.
This closes the era of the climate denial religious infestation. Down under in Oz since 1949.
Rumors abound the Dutch will invoke the rights of the first discovery of the unpopulated southern continent Terra West Australis in 1629. To transport and move seventeen million homeless dutchmen. As their homes sink below the rising North Sea.
News from the pacific indicates multiple Pacific Islands are sinking below the rising ocean. Entire populations of Pacific Island boat people are arriving in Queensland. Claiming the right to transmigrate was based on a decree issued by ex-Oz pm Pacific Marshall John Howard.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 8 2022 10:58 utc | 160

This Bill Gates messing around with mosquitoes business should be illegal. But of course it isn’t.
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 3:17 utc | 157
So very interesting. Or is it a sad case of the self-taught blind leading the blinded?????????
Creating sterile male insects. Wait for it is an old science dating back to 1933 technology. The first truly successful use was in Curacao. By eliminating the beef cattle screwworm infestation in 1953.
Since then SIT has been further developed to suppress more than 20 insects including fruit flies and other key agricultural pests.
Oz CSIRO scientists used sterile male fruit flies in 1962. The savior of Oz’s soft fruit local/export industry. Based on your logic are guilty of crimes far worse than those perpetrated by Billy Microsoft??????
In 2021 WHO reported 241 million malaria infection cases and 627,000 deaths 2020.
Bonus points Question what was the major disease afflicting the French and USSA contractors? When digging USSA best platinum income money earner from 1914. The Panama Little Obsolete Ditch. Built on land stolen from…..?
SIT is a technology. One that puts imported and local fresh agriculture insecticide-free produce on your table. Is now being used to save human lives is bad because of………
Can the conspiracy theory 101 scientists create a non-polluting radiation-free nuclear reactor?/s

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 8 2022 12:31 utc | 161

Can the conspiracy theory 101 scientists create a non-polluting radiation-free nuclear reactor?/s
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 8 2022 12:31 utc | 161
Good point about the beneficial aspects of the mosquito neutering etc. However Gates has also been discussing putting vaccines in those same mosquitoes and either he or others are also discussing putting them into foods like lettuce – they are grown within the plants or insects. That is what I was objecting to, the article was merely something that popped up about him so maybe I should have tried to find other ones about the vaccines.
Of course anything challenging what these oligarchs who are suddenly international health and/or climate experts are up to is usually far from mainstream press and therefore far from ‘respectable.’
As someone who suffered from Lyme for 20 years perhaps you can understand why I am leary of billionaires playing around with insects and diseases even if sometimes what they do is helpful.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 13:34 utc | 162

News from the pacific indicates multiple Pacific Islands are sinking below the rising ocean. Entire populations of Pacific Island boat people are arriving in Queensland. Claiming the right to transmigrate was based on a decree issued by ex-Oz pm Pacific Marshall John Howard.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 8 2022 10:58 utc | 160
Interesting, thank you. Any statistics on the amount of the rise? Also are you sure that is why they are moving?

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 13:35 utc | 163

Satanist watch:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1567861469974331392.html
“Meet Demetre Daskalakis.
Demetre was just appointed by Joe Biden to be the official White House National Monkeypox Response Deputy Coordinator. Demetre proudly wears the official symbol of the Church of Satan: The Pentagram.
Joe Biden appointed a Satanist to the White House.”

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 8 2022 19:57 utc | 164