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September 14, 2022
The Kharkov Counterattack – No Big Success – No Large Defeat

The 'western' media are euphoric about the 'successful' Ukrainian counterattack in Kharkov oblast.

Ukrainian forces retake key villages as counteroffensive advances writes the Washington Post. How Ukraine Gained Momentum Against Russia and Took a Critical Hub says the New York Times. WaPo again: Intelligence points to potential turning point in Ukraine war. Ukraine News: In Reclaimed Towns, Ukrainians Recount a Frantic Russian Retreat, headlines the NYT. Is Russia on the run? asks the Economist.

All have fallen for the belief that the Ukrainian rapid advance has caused a Russian defeat. That however is not the case.

The main Russian forces had already left the area. What was left were sentry guards of the Luhansk People's Republic and a few companies of the Russian National Guard which is more or less a police force. That is why the 'western' official talking with Reuters is quite cautious with his assessment:

"There's an ongoing debate about the nature of the Russian drawdown, however it's likely that in strict military terms, this was a withdrawal, ordered and sanctioned by the general staff, rather than an outright collapse."

"Obviously, it looks really dramatic. It's a vast area of land. But we have to factor in the Russians have made some good decisions in terms of shortening their lines and making them more defensible, and sacrificing territory in order to do so," the official said, adding he did not expect Russia to immediately seek to regain lost territory.

The main Russian reason for holding onto Izium southeast of Kharkov was to use it as a springboard to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk along the M-03 highway. However over the last months several Russian attempts to cross the Siverski Donets river south and east of Izium and to establish a bridgehead on the southern side had failed.

Situation at the end of August with Izium in the upper left corner

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The Ukrainians were well established in the 'Sherwood Forest' on the southern side and had defeated all attempts to push a larger Russian forces into the area. (According to Yves Smith Alexander Mercouris had made that point and predicted a Russian withdrawal from Izium in one of his shows before the Kharkov 'counteroffensive' started.) I myself had missed that point.

The region, which is sparsely populated (Izium had a pre-war population of some 40,000), has little additional value. Russian forces that had been there shortly after the war began had been pulled out over time to rotate into other areas.

According Colonel Markus Reisner from the Austrian military the Ukraine used six full brigades (vid) in its attack. If Russian Defense Ministry numbers are halfway right the Ukrainian forces lost some 4,000+ soldiers, nearly two brigades, in the attack. These were troops that ran into areas that the Russian artillery had pre-registered. They received barrage after barrage and were destroyed.

The Russian air force caused additional damage. Hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles the 'west' had delivered to Ukraine were destroyed. Talk of large Russian material losses and of thousands of Russians taken prisoners of war are nonsense.

One Washington Post piece today cites a partisan 'open source' organization about the losses:

According to preliminary estimates from Jakub Janovsky, a military analyst and contributor to the Oryx blog tally of equipment losses, Russia lost 40 tanks, 50 infantry vehicles, 35 armored vehicles and two jets.

However other Washington Post journalists looked at the evidence:

The equipment left behind in the video amounts to about a tank company, Hodges said, which is typically outfitted with about 10 or 11 tanks.

Another video, taken along a street in central Izyum, shows a marooned 2S19 Msta self-powered howitzer. The system does not have obvious signs of being disabled.

Other pictures taken in Izyum show heavier damage to Russian military equipment, indicating they were hit in battle. One armored vehicle can be seen at a gas station in the city with bullet holes, burn marks and deflated tires.

Ukrainian forces published a video showing the husk of a TOS-1A, a multiple-rocket launcher, using its nickname “Solntsepyok.”

Given the huge areas that does not sound like large losses. British 'intelligence' claims that the 1st Guards Tank Army was destroyed in the attack are ludicrous. The 1st Guard has the equivalent of about 20 brigades with some hundred tanks and armored vehicles in each. Its units were not even in the area when the attack happened.

As Larry Johnson has laid out, planning for a withdrawal from a large area takes time. The Russian decision to let go of the Kharkov region must have been made before the Ukrainian counterattack was launched. That it was coming was known. Since mid of August the deployment map by Military Land showed strong tank formations south and west of the Izium area. The Russians had reported attacks on those and other units on a daily base. Dima of the Military Summary channel had mentioned them several times.

When the counterattack happened the Russian forces pulled back to the eastern side of the Oskol river and are now protected by it. At the southern end, near Lyman, the Siverski Donets river is used to cover the Russian forces. These are strong positions, hard to attack, that can be held by a limited force.

Current situation:

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I had expected that Russia would draw in the attacking Ukrainian forces to then cut them off. But it did not had the forces, or interest, to do so now. It had instead ordered a withdrawal. The use of artillery and air force to attack the Ukrainian forces while they were still on the roads, attacking an enemy that was no longer there, has proved to be the right decision.

Colonel Reisner, linked above, says the first 'counteroffensive' in the south against Kherson was a major failure that has cost many Ukrainian lives. Another military professional, Lt.Col.(ret) Daniel Davis agrees:

When Putin prioritized the capture of the Donbas as his primary objective, the Kremlin conducted what’s known as “economy of force” missions in the north around Kharkiv and in the south near Kherson. The intent of the Russian missions in the north and south was to use as few troops as possible to keep the UAF tied up so that they could not move more troops to the Donbas to resist Russia’s offensive there. Russia then thinned its defenses even more in late August to deploy more troops to defend against the known offensive about to start near Kherson.

The additional Russian troops in Kherson appear to have helped Moscow’s forces inflict grievous casualties on the Ukrainian attackers in the Kherson region but fatally weakened Russian defenses in the Kharkiv region.

When the Ukrainian troops shocked the Russian defenders at the start of the Kharkiv offensive, the Russians began to surrender territory quickly. They not only had few troops left in the area, but those troops were mainly volunteers. Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide, but Ukraine advanced faster than Russia could get reinforcements in place. The Russian leadership was faced with a conundrum: order its troops to contest every meter of territory in an attempt to buy time for reinforcements to arrive, or evacuate the area and preserve its manpower for future fights.

They chose the latter. Russia not only surrendered Izyum without a fight but later evacuated nearly the whole of the territory they occupied north of Kharkiv all the way to the Russian border, up to 3,000 total square kilometers back under Ukrainian control. Many in the West are hailing this move as proving Ukraine is well on its way to winning the war and might even result in the downfall of Vladimir Putin. A little context might be helpful before making such sweeping judgments.

Daniel Davis says that "Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide". He must refer to the video, released by the Russians, that showed armored air-mobile forces landing in huge Mi-26 helicopters. But Colonel Reisner says that those helicopters landed east of the Oskol river. The troops they carried never went into battle in the Kharkov region. The helicopter video was a deception as there was nothing left in the Kharkov region to reinforce.

Davis concludes:

Ukraine has likely expended the majority of its striking power in these twin offensives, suffered many casualties, and will require considerable replenishment and replacements before being able to go much further (there are reports that a smaller Ukrainian attack may be in the offing for Ugledar [southwest of Donetsk] but as of this writing none has materialized).

I also still expect another Ukrainian attack in southern Donbas region. But the Russian forces there were reportedly reinforced by the new 3rd Russian corps. Those are some 30-50,000 Russian veterans called up to form a new formation. They will likely be able to withstand anything the Ukraine can throw against them.

Adding:

Yves just published a writeup on the more political side of things. Scholz continues to be one of the dimmest guys in this game:

Olaf Scholz and Vladimir Putin Talk Past Each Other as Ukraine Pushes for Formalizing Ukraine’s NATO Lite Status

Comments

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 14 2022 20:03 utc | 186
RE: SMO by Larch445, Larchmonter at Martyanov’s
“Just one thought. Now that NATO’s coming in stronger will that approach still hold?”
I really wouldn’t know, but I think NATO coming in stronger, NATO really showing its hand must be the way Russians would prefer to have it. In a kind of mountain coming to Muhammed way, as Russian military posture is supposed to be a defensive one (if I’ve understood The Saker correctly.)
I’ve got this impression that SMO is slowly and painfully, step by step forcing Europe to reveal what she really wants and who she really is. A terrible thing to witness, though.
So Russia is still talking, making her arguments with SMO, letting her arms speak, but not too loudly – you see the consequences, do you still want to continue? Are you quite sure? Even if this comes after that?
The answer so far has been yes, yes and yes. Enough of this silly talk, let’s start a war proper already. On to the battlefield, claims Vice-President and High Representative Josep Borrell. But infuriatingly, Russia is still making her arguments, as politely as possible. Вежливые люди – polite people – because the story is still unfolding, not everything has been said, yet everything must be said.
@ Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 2:33 utc – faith, but you could also call it an art, an art of war. As true art denies limited understanding, too.

Posted by: js | Sep 15 2022 7:26 utc | 301

The very conservative but previously trusted Swiss newspaper NZZ uses OSINT sources to conclude that the Russian retreat was not organized but a disastrous flight with heavy loss of equipment. They also quote Oryx as an “independent source”.
https://www.nzz.ch/international/offensive-der-ukraine-russland-hinterlaesst-panzer-und-munition-ld.1702297
I trust your lucid and correct analysis. Is the NZZ simply lying here? Or is the real situation somewhere in between?

Posted by: wtauber | Sep 15 2022 7:32 utc | 302

Will Schryver’s take
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/fall-like-a-thunderbolt
Key quote
There seems to be a pervasive assumption that this apparent battlefield “victory” has been so humiliatingly complete that the Russians have been ruined; psychologically broken; that they are no longer capable of operations; that they are now a beaten, trembling mob of frightened “orcs” nervously awaiting the next train back to wherever it was they came from.
Those cheering as the victory parade rolls down the streets of Kiev, London, and Washington appear to have forgotten that Russia’s “special military operation” up to this point has employed a minor fraction of its military capability, and that the Russian objective, from the beginning, has not been to conquer territory, per se, but to comprehensively destroy Ukrainian military capabilities.
I think the Ukraine supporters might be engaging in an orgy of premature exultation.
I am persuaded the events of the past few weeks have been largely orchestrated pursuant to Russia’s ultimate objectives.
I am convinced the Russians remain masters of the art of maskirovka, and that the masters of empire in Brussels, London, and Washington – as they always have – continue to underestimate Russian strategic acumen, operational capabilities, and clever resourcefulness.
Even as NATO commanders in Kiev clink champagne flutes filled to the brim with looted Dom Perignon, and congratulate each other on a brilliantly conceived and expertly executed plan, I strongly suspect the other shoe is about to drop – and when it does, I expect it to fall like a thunderbolt on their unjustifiably inflated heads.

Posted by: Aslangeo | Sep 15 2022 7:52 utc | 303

I am getting tired of this farce….
RF has thousand satelites in orbit. Loks like that satelites are on the same technological level as Sputnik.
Making beeeppp, beeepp….
In the meantime, US have satelites which register each energy burst ON WHOLE WORLD! Not only Ukraine…
So, they know positions of all Russian heavy artilery…
With observation they know EVERY ammo storage! Making photos and videos of each airfield….
So Russian army listen only beeeppp, beeep?
And they read british news portals to follow ukro army movement?
So, HIMARS is quite exposed when firing… NOBODY CAN REGISTER IT from low orbit satelite?
No GPS data? No following possible?
What is that? An army or childish scouts?

Posted by: preseren3 | Sep 15 2022 8:00 utc | 304

People can say what they want, but the recapture of that much territory is a big psychological benefit for Ukraine and NATO. That should be the opposite of what Russia wants to happen. It also seems to show Russia doesn’t have the forces to hold that much territory and make advances deeper into Ukraine because of overextension.
I believe it’s a mistake for Russia to drag this conflict out and I don’t see a clear end game for them to win decisively to prevent future conflicts in Ukraine as things currently stand. Remember! Sun Tzu warned that countries don’t benefit from protracted wars. America learned that lesson the hard way in Vietnam and Afghanistan. If Russia doesn’t figure things out and speed things up, this can turn out very bad for them.

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Sep 15 2022 8:01 utc | 305

(repost) an actual RAND report from 2019
Extending Russia- Competing from Advantageous Ground
extract:

This report examines a range of possible means to extend Russia. As the 2018 National Defense Strategy recognized, the United States is currently locked in a great-power competition with Russia. This report seeks to define areas where the United States can compete to its own advantage. Drawing on quantitative and qualitative data from Western and Russian sources, this report examines Russia’s economic, political, and military vulnerabilities and anxieties. It then analyzes potential policy options to exploit them — ideologically, economically, geopolitically, and militarily (including air and space, maritime, land, and multidomain options). […]
Summary
Conclusions
Russia’s greatest vulnerability in any competition with the United
States is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent
on energy exports. The Russian leadership’s greatest anxiety stems
from the stability and durability of the regime.
Russia’s greatest strengths are in the military and information
warfare realms. Russia has deployed advanced air defense, artillery, and
missile systems that greatly outrange U.S. and NATO air-defense suppression
and artillery counterbattery capability, potentially requiring
U.S. ground forces to fight without air superiority and with inferior fire
support. Russia has also matched new technology to old techniques of
misinformation, subversion, and destabilization.
The most promising measures to stress Russia are those which
directly address these vulnerabilities, anxieties, and strengths, exploiting
areas of weakness while undermining Russia’s current advantages.
Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms,
including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same
would maximize pressure on Russia’s export receipts and thus on its
national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked
at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk.
Sanctions can also limit Russia’s economic potential. To be effective,
however, these need to be multilateral, involving (at a minimum)
the European Union, which is Russia’s largest customer and greatest
source of technology and capital, larger in all these respects than the
United States.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
see top right for ebook download links.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 15 2022 8:14 utc | 306

Lol, when I’m reminded that it’s been said that “Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country”, I think back to the TV show The Sopranos.
A few of the higher ups in the New York City based families of the Cosa Nostra would refer to the Soprano family, based in New Jersey, as “a pygmy family”, and more of “a glorified crew” rather than what they considered a real family, like the ones they had in New York City.
So yeah, in this analogy the snooty gangsters of New York are the “elites” of the NATO alliance and the EU, and the Sopranos in New Jersey are Russia.
Spoiler alert!
When the elites went to take out the Sopranos, and decapitate their leadership, well let’s just say things didn’t go according to plan. 😉 Neither did their attempts to encroach on Soprano family territory in New Jersey.
And while the head of the Soprano family was a bit of a military history buff, he was but a Padawan compared to the Yodas who are doing Russia’s planning. Russia is being led by those who survived the hardships of the collapse of the Soviet Union, Western leadership by comparison has long had coddled lives and careers.
And now I’m reminded of Frank Herbert’s The Dosadi Experiment, where (spoiler alert!) in the beginning the extremely clever and competent protagonist “was like an infant in swaddling clothes in comparison to a people honed by fifteen generations of violence”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dosadi_Experiment#Jorj_X._McKie
An excellent and recommended read. If taking in the Dune series can be compared to the pleasurable reward of drinking a series of delicious cups of exotic teas (some of them large), then The Dosadi Experiment would be like a cup of Espresso, a triple shot one. Lol 🙂

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 15 2022 8:21 utc | 307

Posted by: ZX | Sep 14 2022 23:31 utc | 233
Posted by: Sushi | Sep 14 2022 21:36 utc | 209
Two excellent posts.
Congratulations to ye!

Posted by: jpc | Sep 15 2022 8:25 utc | 308

Aslangeo | Sep 15 2022 7:52 utc | 305
I have been looking at it that way. One or two carefully choriographed defeats is all it takes to destroy EU and along with EU, NATO.
US appear to be awake to Russia’s game but their many vassals are not. When I say US, I should narrow that down to pentagon. The child molester with aviator shades and icecream doesn’t even know what day it is.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 8:31 utc | 309

@wtauber | Sep 15 2022 7:32 utc | 304
>>I trust your lucid and correct analysis. Is the NZZ simply lying here?
>>Or is the real situation somewhere in between?
Almost certainly something in-between. The Russians planned to leave, but then had the date of final departure forced upon them. A less incompetent version of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan–where under Trump the US chose to leave, only for Biden to mess with the timeline that had already been agreed with the Taliban in a binding document. So the cheeky Talibs quite reasonably said “Then we do it the hard way, and make you leave.”
But I digress. Maybe Moscow saw the upcoming offensive, but thought they could get out before it got underway; I don’t think anyone here is sure of the details. As for the Swiss: they were brought to heel no later than after 9-11, when Little Bush made it clear that if the Swiss kept their banking secret, the US would count them as “with the terrists”, with everything such a designation would entail. But their neutrality wasn’t all that even before: the Swiss company producing “secure” phones for the world’s great and good was run as a CIA front, and they unsurprisingly gave themselves a backdoor.
Another telling episode was the Geneva summit between Putin and Biden last year, when at the last moment the Swiss refused the recognize the COVID vaccination of the Russian journalists. IMO Putin should have immediately called off the summit, and made clear that the next try could not take place in a country playing such games. Not my ideal country, but that’s what North Korea would’ve done and in this they are right.
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@preseren3 | Sep 15 2022 8:00 utc | 306
>>No GPS data? No following possible?
Relax, you may have missed the program of Russian missile strikes against static Ukie targets, which has been going on for, what was it again… oh yeah every single day of this intervention. The Western press doesn’t like to mention it that much, because the strikes are all over Ukraine, accurate, and devastating. But let’s give the other side (likely more NATO personnel than Ukies) credit when they play the HIMARS and CAESAR game effectively: come out of hiding, pop off a few, and quickly conceal yourself again before the hammer comes down. They still get caught sometimes, but not as often as they would if Russia had strike drones loitering over the battlefield. Maybe those Iranian toys will make a difference. Anyway, Ukraine is not Hong Kong or so: neither side has full real-time vision over the entire territory.
And oh, Russia doesn’t need GPS: they have their own GLONASS, which works fine. Just ask the people getting whacked.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 8:38 utc | 310

As some of have been saying for years it’s all about the SCO and BRI.
If you are not watching Samarkand but are distracted by all the flash bangs, pomp and circumstance and posturing by the ever more frantic Collective Wastes Slave Masters, then you are self deluded.

“The transition to a new world economic order is being completed. The center of development of the world economy has already moved to Southeast Asia.” — Sergey Glazyev #SCOSummit2022

🅰pocalypsis 🅰pocalypseos 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 🅉
@apocalypseos
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1h
The world financial oligarchy hinders countries’ development, strives to extract speculative super-profits from trade & economic cooperation, deceives the world by inflating speculative bubbles, & abuses its positions of power in countries where it dominates the political system.

Iran formally joins SCO today.
It’s is over for the Natzos. And all its pointless, owned and controlled UN proxies.
Xi and Putin will guarantee the New World Order and protect all who want and need that from our Western Predators , freeing us as well in the process.
What are the Ancient Natzos and Money going to do ? Nuke Samarkand?
The blowbacks would be immediate and PERSONAL.
The Empire is formally declared dead, like the perverse militaristic fawning over the decade HMQ, as the new multipolar world order ascends its throne in Samarkand. From where all future flows , just as it originally did and was the centre of the Silk Road.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 15 2022 8:38 utc | 311

Scholz continues to be one of the dimmest guys in this game:

Scholz is dealing with the problem that he can’t call out the real lesson from all this, that NATO is dangerous and a tool of insane neocon aspirations in the Levant, that Europe should have it’s own defense pact and that maybe the Eastern Europeans should be left to their own political union since their still simmering post-colonial desire for revenge against Russia makes them a political liability, as does their lack of any common political or social values with Western Europe. The alternative is making the EU less democratic and removing the national veto which they are currently engaged in, assuring that the most venial neoliberal policies will have an easier time breaking through.
Under such a context everything else is explicable. All he is allowed left to do is reprimand Russia for the invasion and leave the US role in this completely untouched which will ensure the crisis gets worse both now and in the future.

Posted by: Altai | Sep 15 2022 8:53 utc | 312

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 8:38 utc | 312
Thank you!
I am just getting tired…
I know all these facts, you mentioned.
Even more. GPS is western system, which must be disturbed, western forces are relaying on it. That is why I mention it.
Yes, RF army has Glonass, mostly using it, because is more accurate, but they are using also GPS.
I am wondering which system was used when they attacked railway composition where they missed for 100m?
Yes, hammer will go down, but when? People are dying…
I am fully aware of tactics. When Enigma code was broken, alies allowed ship conwoys were sunk, so Hitlers army was not aware, messages are intercepted.
About drones… I am very courios about them. Iran had quite great success when provoking Isralel…
But that vas very best… I don’t know if they gave full knowledge to Russia…..

Posted by: preseren3 | Sep 15 2022 8:54 utc | 313

History, essential to understand causes of Russian invasion in Ukraine. Jacques Pauwels explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DRanmguDc

Posted by: Ben | Sep 15 2022 8:55 utc | 314

Intentional or just an accident?
“President Volodymyr Zelensky has survived following an incident which saw a car slam into his motorcade.
The Ukrainian president was reportedly not seriously injured after the crash. But an ambulance rushed his driver to hospital.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyrecord.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-world-news%2Fukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-alive-27995473%3Fint_source%3Dnba

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 15 2022 9:02 utc | 315

Russia saying “anti terror operation” is a message to the west that soon all power plants and hydro electric infrastructure will be destroyed if they continue down this path.
Nato will laugh it off because it’s either a bluff or they could care less about Ukraine.
I have no idea how Russia gets itself out of this. They have already stated they can’t beat Nato and clearly they are fighting them.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 15 2022 9:03 utc | 316

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2022 16:16 utc | 66
I agree that the SMO is part of an existential and civilisational war for this planet and all of her inhabitants. Arguably though, the hegemonic dreams and motives of the Western puppet regimes are manipulated and controlled by covert Khazarian Mafia globalists (however defined) to achieve demonic outcomes that most of the puppets don’t fully GROK.
Arguably the puppets are mind controlled, venal and hence stupid so that while they are manipulating, enslaving and killing subject populations they fail to realise that they too, are duped and unlikely to survive should their controllers ultimately succeed.
Arguably Putin and his inner circle know this and hence the SMO is designed not only to defend the Donetsk and Lugansk republics and to demilitarise and denazify the Ukraine; but also it aims to eliminate all vestiges of the Khazarians’ HQ in the Ukraine. That includes their nuclear and bio-warfare facilities, their drug and gun running and global money laundering activities; and their underground child and adult sex trafficking, slavery and adrenochrome facilities.
The SMO is therefore an ethical law enforcement undertaking that necessarily involves careful observance of moral limitations precluding blitzkreig war making. That means Russia is unable to emulate the criminal war making methods of the Anglo-US-EU empire. It also means that Russia cannot stop the SMO, even if it has to escalate it to fight NATO, until its demonic cleansing task is completed.
The empire’s controllers know this but its minions and apologists don’t. The minions misdirect themselves into thinking Russia’s careful law enforcement activities evidence weakness and inability to do what Putin et al say they will do. Putin has rightly said that Russia has not yet begun to use the power at its disposal. Unfortunately the stupidity of puppet leaders and their mind controlled populations means that Russia may have to meet the steadily escalating force exercised by the US and NATO with commensurate force. When that happens this conflict will be resolved very quickly by Russia and our world will be momentarily scared shitless as the globalists are taken down.
Then Russia will lead the Slavic and European world into freedom and abundance. As that happens China and the BRICS nations and the US (under seemingly new management) will do the same thing for their respective areas of the world.

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 15 2022 9:09 utc | 317

@OhhCanada
Just wait some time. The propaganda concerning the “successfull” counterattack went along with reports about massive losses in hardware and personnel on the side of 404.
Time plays for the Russians. Once EU is feeling the pain of winter cracks will appear in the west.
Russia doesn´t need a way out (yet).

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 15 2022 9:12 utc | 318

Wtauber 304
When was NZZ considered a “trusted” source. It’s a fucking neo-liberal rag, just like all the other mainstream Western newspapers. It is mostly pro-capitalist propaganda, always has been. It’s been a long time since Western media hasn’t been reliable at all when it comes to international affairs. NZZ is just one of then. I mean, decades ago, people considered NYT, WaPo, The Times, die Zeit, El Pais or Le Monde as trusted newspapers.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 15 2022 9:25 utc | 319

Posted by: AntiLogic | Sep 14 2022 16:59 utc | 110
“… in order for NATO (U.S) to defeat the Russians in war, they will have to go nuclear, the U.S command knows this fact, so does all the supposed NATO forces…“
* * *
An excellent observation, and precisely the reason why all the trolls can be utterly ignored. The comment is well-worth reading.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 15 2022 9:36 utc | 320

@ Ron Chapman

Then Russia will lead the Slavic and European world into freedom and abundance.

Have you ever been to Russia? I mean real Russia, not Moscow or Piter.

Posted by: Kamil | Sep 15 2022 9:41 utc | 321

Today a german government controlled medium published interesting article how russian gas is damaging german agriculture.
“Without gas there will be no milk, joghurt or butter”
To produce fertilizer u need what? Yes……
https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-09/bauern-ertragseinbrueche-duenger-gas-knappheit

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 15 2022 9:53 utc | 322

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2022 20:37 utc | 201
i was inquiring EU natural gas.
Russia has stopped transit of gas through NS1 last week and yesterday i am reading the gas prize is falling.
I did not understand the logic behind the falling prices on the market.
So i was wondering if the gas price will continue to fall untill the end of 2022
https://nachrichten.handelsblatt.com/dd6fc34c39b2adff24eb034a4290c94c02d2adc3de717f2c46b4477be44b4d6d4cf31739c690cbd761708096576087d5028679934?product=hb&&utm_source=app

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 15 2022 10:00 utc | 323

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Sep 15 2022 8:01 utc | 307
Seems like incompetence in russian army is a fact and spreading like a virus through all levels.
Stalin was right to clean up red army from incompentence.
What else u can do with military analphabets who risking lifes of soldiers and misdjuging every development?
BTW they ve sold 10 Orlan UAV to Kirgistan but do not have enough drones for troops at battlefield in Ukraine.
Ridicolous
But chessmaster enjoys Vostok 2022

Posted by: Falco | Sep 15 2022 10:09 utc | 324

Posted by: Falco | Sep 15 2022 10:09 utc | 326
I dont believe russian military is incompent at all.
however, unfortunately, their hands are only much too often tied.
The must follow irrational guidelines from a so called SMO
Only the word military is military in this SMO
Russian army is not trained for such a police advanture like SMO
Have only a look at Azerbaijani operations against Armenia.
Clear military guidelines and targets leads to successes

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 15 2022 10:41 utc | 325

The Rand Document – An Assessment
Known Facts:
1) The document was first reported in RT
2) The document contains poor English grammar and syntax
3) The document is the “Executive Summary” of a larger study on the same topic
4) RAND is a recognized and well respected “think tank.” It is the original model for the independent think tank organization and its core client has been the US government
5) RAND has disavowed any responsibility for the publication and has denounced it as misinformation
6) The document lists the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, on the distribution list
Preamble:
I was lurking on MoA the night of the SMO when MoA went “live” with detailed commentator reporting of the conflict sourced from Telegram and similar sources. This reporting was hours in advance of any similar reporting by western MSM.
Since then I, like many others in the bar, have attempted to cut through the MSM brain fog and come to a credible understanding of the SMO and its possible implications for me and my family. Key to this understanding has been the work of Dr Michael Hudson, the translations presented here by karlof1, and the clear headed analysis by b. The great value of MoA has been the depth of the commentariat; when ZNPP was a critical factor MoA carried posts by nuclear plant engineers with the competence to speak to issues of concern. The same quality response has been found in respect of topics such as semiconductor engineering and production, the workings of financial markets etc. What is even more remarkable is the fact that when the topic concerns foreign opinion the conversation draws response from persons located in the region or state of concern; these posters deliver “ground truth” almost never found in MSM reports. Furthermore, topics of concern result in heated discussion and razor sharp acerbic wit, both of which serve to clarify and speed understanding.
Assessement:
That the RAND document may in fact be genuine.
Reasons:
R1) The description of the economic affects and cleavages, and the likely benefits to the US government are fundamentally correct. The document was ostensibly published in advance of the SMO, and prior to the imposition of the Western sanctions regime, but it has knowledge of the fact of the to-be-imposed sanctions.
R2) The above suggests the document was prepared by someone with considerable knowledge and foresight. It is taken me 7 months and the benefits of the interchange derived in the Preamble to come to this assessment. Someone else was able to arrive at a similar set of conclusions prior to the SMO.
R3) It is agreed the language and syntax fail to meet the editorial standard found in other RAND publications. But RAND is a think tank that offers “brains for hire,” it is closely aligned with the state but free to draw independent conclusions. RAND therefore offers an intellectual, out-of-the-box, check on opinion shaped by organizational needs and bias. The issues with language and syntax support the view that this was RAND reporting undertaken for a specific client and performed outside of RANDs public report offerings. It is also possible the report was written with the assistance of person(s) knowledgeable of European issues whose first language is other than English. Perusal of publications ranging from NYT to WaPo and similar frequently demonstrates inaccurate spelling, syntax, and incorrect word choice.
R4) While it is common to deprecate the military, the upper echelons of the military are fully aware of the risks posed by armed conflict. War is entirely democratic. It is the only interaction in which the enemy is guaranteed a vote. It is the first opportunity to determine the “real world” effects of all the expensive hardware. Remember the Patriot failures in Gulf War II? The inability to locate and destroy the Scud launchers? The danger presented by this WWII derived weapons system in causing an enlargement of the conflict? If our weapons prove inadequate against sheep-herders how will they function against a peer, or near peer adversary? What we presently witness in 404 is the Western world poking the bear with a stick. The last time this occurred the US was gung-ho to invade. It was not until decades after the Cuban conflict that the US discovered the Soviet Union already had tactical nukes and warheads in Cuba ready to fire and aimed at the US. The RF, China and North Korea have all demonstrated hypersonic weapons against which there exists no known defence. An angry bear does not need to use nukes. Hypersonics allow RF to do to the US what RF is presently doing to 404 using conventional missiles. The American MSM does not contemplate this fact; I guarantee you the military brass is fully aware and will be advising restraint.
R5) It is evident the Biden regime has completely politicized the civil service. This fact is barely noted in the MSM which operates as an arm of the state. The Biden regime has reason to fear a significant loss of seats in the coming mid-terms. Can they afford another Afghanistan debacle? Can they undertake a conflict that would rally the American people to the defence of a foreign democracy and billions of foreign subsidy while American’s are stranded in urban tent cities and the Castro disappears under the weight of excrement?
I would not be surprised to learn the DNC enlisted RAND to obtain a formal outside opinion on a Democratic apparatchik’s Hail Mary intended to save the mid-terms and cause the electorate to forget the Afghanistan blunders. I believe the military would have opposed poking the bear because of the unlimited downside risks. The RAND report and opinion was sought to deliver an outside perspective to justify US conduct in 404.
Certainty of Assessment
P1) The best proof of the truth of the matter would be a public release of the entirety of the report for which the present document is the purported executive summary.
Link to the Document:
https://theduran.com/apparent-rand-document-leak-is-shocking-video/?ml_subscriber=2039460379255379640&ml_subscriber_hash=p1y2

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 15 2022 11:10 utc | 326

Stories keep appearing that one third the force in the Kharkov offensive were NATO. If true that would imply that all of the fighters were NATO, the Ukrainians merely spear carriers. Of course none of the Americans and few of the others could even speak to their spear carriers. Just not workable at all except for brief periods, unusual circumstances.
Just watched another video of Blackwater Americans in Izyum. All PR stunts.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 15 2022 11:24 utc | 327

@goingo
I think the counter attack was an absolute disaster for Ukraine, they took a large amount of high quality losses and are wasting time and resources on a area of land that is nothing but a burden to support in the winter. Everything is destroyed, good luck keeping soldiers in that area.
The south is interesting tho. If Russia gives up that side of the river the Ukie rockets will cause havoc in crimea.
The long term plan that the west will fall apart sounds like the same pipedream Nato has about Russia.
I just don’t see an out for Russia. Obviously the western leaders think they just destroyed Russia since the French and Germans just showed up with stpid demands for Putin.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 15 2022 11:31 utc | 328

“Pat Bateman has regularly posted at MoA since October 2012.”
I have been a reader of MoA since soon after its inception. I comment very infrequently though. Over the years I have read dozens of contributions by Pat Bateman. Although I did not always agree with Pat’s assessments, I invariably found them well-considered and sometimes even insightful.
The ad hominem attacks after Pat’s latest contribution is both sad and deplorable.

Posted by: Etienne | Sep 15 2022 12:57 utc | 329

So here’s what I don’t understand. If Colonel Reisner is serving his country by informing the public about an active special military operation, the one taking place in Ukraine, which could potentially spill over to the rest of Europe (where Austria is located), and even trigger WWIII (per Medvedev – which I think is irresponsible of someone in his position to say), then why is he switched to take command of a ceremonial guard? Wouldn’t someone of higher rank typically be in charge of something like that? Unless he is actually defending his country from an active threat which would explain his role in both (public updates on the war, er SMO, in Ukraine and head of the ceremonial guard). Again, my indigenous perspective on various ceremonial military such-and-such’s is that there is no ceremony, only military in shinier clothing maybe. And what’s the big deal about Austria anyway, Vienna specifically, when it comes to war in Europe? That Austro-Hungarian empire is long gone so what is it?

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 15 2022 14:23 utc | 330

@preseren3 | Sep 15 2022 8:54 utc | 315
>>GPS is western system, which must be disturbed,
>>western forces are relaying on it.
Again: for all I know, GPS is being jammed–effectively. That’s for instance why apparently those much-touted Switchblade drones aren’t doing as much as expected. The Ukies managed to kill a Moldovan civilian with one on the border with Belarus though–good job… Shooting down the GPS satellites in view of the Ukraine theater isn’t that hard for a country like Russia; but now you’re officially at war with the USA, which likewise has all the GLONASS nodes pre-targeted we can safely assume.
And so on it goes. If a gamer knows anything at all, then it is that it has little meaning to call a weapon system “good” or not without asking “Against which opposition?” The Bayraktar drones were devastating against Armenia, but after a brief and painful wake-up period Russian air defenses apparently found out how to deal with them.
>>I am wondering which system was used when they attacked railway
>>composition where they missed for 100m?
Not sure which specific incident this refers to; anyway I wouldn’t know the answer. But anyone who claims a 100% score for something they do in a war is lying.
>>Yes, hammer will go down, but when? People are dying…
Yes they are. I just don’t see the “nice, soft” SMO which people are either praising or decrying. The Kremlin seems quite OK with slaughtering a generation of Ukrainian men, and even the attacks on their own citizens in Belgorod etc don’t elicit much response. Their real target is NATO control over Europe; if the Ukrainians have chosen to let themselves be consumed in this conflict, then Moscow plays along to pursue their real, wider, objectives while killing mostly Ukies, keeping the game below the nuke threshold.
>>Iran had quite great success when provoking Isralel…
>>I don’t know if they gave full knowledge to Russia…..
Nobody is that good friends with anyone else that they give something for free. (And that includes for me the IL-US relationship. US people worship IL, being conditioned into it through “Holocaust education” as effectively as Quran education sets Saudi youth on a certain track; or you could say that IL owns US politicians. But the latter fear and detest the Isrealis; they are not “friends”.) Iran is apparently selling drones to Russia because it’s good money for them, in the knowledge that Russia will study anything they buy regardless of what is said. Anyway, it’s not as if Russia lacks the technology to make their own strike drones, their program is simply delayed; Russia has its own problems.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 14:54 utc | 331

@Flying Dutchman #244
The Russians aren’t smashing everything because smashing everything means killings tens of thousands of civilians.
It is REALLY hard to tell the difference between some trucks going to resupply Ukrainian WalMart equivalent vs. trucks going to resupply the front lines. Equally, trains carrying troops often also carry civilian goods and civilians themselves.
Destroying roads, dams, power plants etc will hamper the Ukrainian military but will also cause immense civilian suffering.
Smashing everything is US/NATO/Western method of warfare: a method which has demonstrated its ability to destroy 3rd world militaries but also which has demonstrated that it makes conquered territories unholdable, because every civilian killed has relatives who are likely to not be pleased with this outcome.
In Ukraine, in particular in the Russian speaking areas, the population there has many pro-Russian civilians. Smashing everything, killing a bunch of them – none of this is going to be a benefit in the long term.
An analogy is that of being a policeman in a violent area.
You can shoot anything/everything that remotely presents a threat to you – but that means you’re going to gun down kids with toy guns and unarmed people regularly.
In contrast: A policeman willing to increase risk to his life, however, will greatly reduce the chances of this happening.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 15 2022 15:34 utc | 332

@preseren3 | Sep 15 2022 8:54 utc | 315
To clarify, I’m only giving my best guess on what Moscow’s plan is. Not praising it, or claiming it’ll work. They’ll have problems getting buy-in from the local civilians, now that the latter see they may be abandoned any moment. NATO is getting plenty of time to plan their next provocation; Moscow is betting that they just don’t have the resources to send more than the Allies can handle; but what if that bet is wrong?
In the bigger picture, there is this enduring Russian assumption that there is a reservoir of sanity to be tapped below the surface, at least in “old Europe”–that they’ve been tricked into this mess by the Anglos. But where is the evidence? By and large, the Eurocrats seem to know exactly what they’re doing; the destruction of Europe is apparently seen as acceptable, as long as the media blame Putin not themselves. So then the Russian bet becomes that a rabid, but de-industrialized (Ukrainized, really) Europe is a manageable threat, because it leaves the Empire much weaker overall. Lots of things would need to go Russia’s way; I don’t think we can be sure how this ends.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 16:10 utc | 333

@Bruised Northerner | Sep 15 2022 14:23 utc | 332
>>And what’s the big deal about Austria anyway
Who claims that Austria is a big deal? I think precisely because Austria is nothing militarily or geopolitically, that Col. Reisner is allowed to do what he does: report on the war from a Western perspective as an active-duty officer, without descending into MIC propaganda. Might as well be happy that he fills that niche. The threats to Austria come from Brussels and Washington; again, what can the Austrian Govt. do about that except sit tight.
Austria’s moment may come when Europe gets serious about talking to Russia, and needs a mediator. Then again, Neuhammer hasn’t exactly distinguished himself up to now. Victor Orban is more qualified; Brussels hates his guts, but it has to give up such conceits anyway if it is ever to get itself out of this mess. Either of them would face the problem that Macron regards the spotlight as his turf, even if he has nothing of note to say.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 16:31 utc | 334

@ 336 Ma Laoshi
I’m going to refer to Wikipedia here, it’s entry on Western Ukraine :
“After the Partitions of Poland, western Ukrainian regions became part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, while central and eastern Ukrainian regions were still under Russian control.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ukraine
Vienna being strategically the capital of the whole lot if one belongs to a group (likely an occupying one) interested in seeing history repeating itself. Maybe without the WWI part.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 15 2022 17:53 utc | 335

Sushi | Sep 15 2022 11:10 utc | 328 – Excellent post. Perhaps you’ll consider the possibility that the Rand document is fake, but you are still essentially right:
The U.S. has often tried to front-run ‘uncomfortable’ information unintentionally released or made public by presenting a slightly altered version of it first/quickly, then attacking it in its entirety as ‘fake’. The seemingly poorly-crated Executive Summary may be exactly such an attempt if they – for whatever reason – fear the real report is about to or has been released. I repeatedly see the U.S. use this technique to ‘manage’ the information space regarding Ukraine.
If Rand did prepare a real (full) report like this with essentially the same themes in detail, then it certainly wasn’t meant to be seen outside of the U.S. government and definitely not by our NATO vassals. I assume it would have some sort of appropriate restricted classification.
So if that report did advertently get released somehow, then the U.S. might use the method described above (among others). The fake but mostly accurate Executive Summary is pushed out there as quickly as possible for social media or the public to digest, then quickly decried as a fake by Rand. Now when the leaked real full report eventually starts making its rounds, all the usual suspects can chatter about how it “has already been debunked” and “proven as a fake by Rand itself”. An uncritical (i.e., social media or MSM audience) has already rejected any subsequent version of the report based on the earlier, planted fake. The the real report gets no traction and is quickly forgotten.
I still find the assertions in the Executive Summary compelling whether its fake or not.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 18:24 utc | 336

To b, who wrote this article:
“the Ukraine”
“the Ukraine”
It’s Ukraine. Some decades back American journos thought they’d sound intellectual if they put “the” in front of countries like the French put le/la. So we got “the Albania,” “the Brazil” and so on. It seems some keep “the Ukraine”, but thankfully we don’t have to see the rest.

Posted by: Tenet | Sep 15 2022 20:07 utc | 337

Tenet | Sep 15 2022 20:07 utc | 339
Here is how I happen to see it (I do not think I’m the only one):
The Border Land = “The Ukraine” which it has been for more than a couple of hundred years, NOT “Ukraine”.
“The French” is not an equivalent to “The Ukraine”, “The French” refers to the people of France. and it isn’t a journo riff. I have never heard or seen France referred to as “The France” nor have I seen Brazil similarly stated…
So your little “American journo” tale is pure BS or a fantasy of a disturbed mind, perhaps both, at least from my perspective.

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Sep 15 2022 22:19 utc | 338

@ Tenet | Sep 15 2022 20:07 utc | 339
same deal the netherlands??
the borderlands.. that is the direction translation as i understand it, but don’t let me interfere in the job of ‘word police’ person, lol…

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 23:51 utc | 339

The borderlands – of the Polish empire. I had thought it encompassed both side of the old border region but historical maps show it as Polish territory. I read a US document from the 50’s some time back and it referred to the region as cossackia. Late 1800’s the name Ukrainia started appearing on European maps.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2022 0:12 utc | 340

Interesting times ahead.
The latest RF MOD report. Shows that country 404’s battle of the bulge has failed miserably. Payback is now underway. The attacks in the Kherson region did not get one meter beyond the start line(too many river/moat crossings required).
The merchant of lies(CIA) continues to sell the defective line of lies to the gullible western ruling elite unabated( we call them political/military advisors). Your average lazy narcissistic sociopath career elected western ruling politician! Does not have the time or inclination. To read the gigabytes of daily nonsense provided by the various permanent department heads.
Truth is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 16 2022 2:05 utc | 341

Sushi | Sep 15 2022 11:10 utc | 328
re credibility of Rand Corp
The so-called Rand Corp. “Pentagon Papers expose” in 1971, as far as I have researched the subject, omitted vital* data probably unknown to Daniel Ellsberg who made public the documents.
Namely, that Pentagon Papers “history of Vietnam war” fails to go way back to BEFORE Truman’s 1945 Potsdam agreement that divided Vietnam “only” for purposes of taking Jap. surrender twice [!]: once to British Gen. Gracey whose army came over from Burma to Saigon [below divide line] and again to Chiang’s Generals who came down from China to Hanoi [above divide]. The original 1945 divide-line was close to Danang, where the political divide-line was later moved in 1954 to create 2 Vietnams.
* [see first paragraph] vital means necessary for life; necessary for understanding.
Further, there had to be in existence an arrangement between UK and France to arrange for the return of French colonial status in Vietnam, that necessarily involved covert logistics to move a small British army from Burma over to southern [not South] Vietnam under Gen. Gracey…which necessitated first getting permission from some leaders [student and other] in Saigon so that Gracey and his British [IIRC colonial Indian] army could land safely ashore, unopposed/without resistance.
Further, that part of Chiang’s southern forces could cross China/Vietnam border to reach Hanoi…to arrive just before Ho Chi Minh made his Declaration Of Independence speech.
Further, that the French Civil Service and troops would miraculously arrive on US Liberty Ships [by illegal use per Lend-Lease regulations] to Haiphong and other landing points to re-establish full colonial control just after Ho’s Declaration…
Further, that Ho’s Declaration was delivered under authority of the highest US Military Officer [OSS] in Vietnam, Lt. Col. Archimedes Patti**…who was under direct order from Pres. Roosevelt early 1945, thru OSS chief Donovan, to perform military ops [find and establish liaison with Viet leaders [Ho was still unknown to US], oppose Jap. armies moving onto China, find/inspect Jap. prison camps holding American POWs, establish intelligence networks to feed US data to US Intel in Chungking, etc. and, specificly, DO NOT ASSISI ANY FRENCH ACTIVITY TO RE=INSTALL colonial control.
** Archimedes Patti [1913-19980]. In 1945, his papers/records were gathered and sent by OSS secretary Julia McWilliams [later Julia Child of French Chef fame]] for storage at CIA in Washington. He retrieved them years later and in 1980 authored “Why Vietnam: America’s Albatross”.
Obviously, Patti’s orders from Roosevelt were secretly bypassed after FDR’s sudden [and suspicious] death mid-April 1945, when Truman became Pres. and went to the Potsdam Conference in late July 1945.
Where is all that in the Pentagon Papers? I believe there was reason for Dan Ellsberg knowing nothing about it.
IMO, Rand Corp. was and is a major ,gov founded/funded operation begun officially in 1948 under Pentagon sponsor.

Posted by: chu teh | Sep 16 2022 7:47 utc | 342

Kharkov (region) was never one of the objectives of the war. The Crimea is the overriding objective. Theory: Russia needs the Crimea to secure a southern warm-weather port. Otherwise Russia is a land-locked country for much if not most of the year. The fact that Russia has extended its objectives to the southern regions of Ukraine (Odessa, Mykolaiv or Nikolev, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia) supports this theory. More troublesome than the loss of Kharkov region is the presence of Ukraine forces inside the Donbass.

Posted by: Pat | Sep 16 2022 20:13 utc | 343

Re: Posted by: Pat | Sep 16 2022 20:13 utc | 345
Eastern Kharkov is in the Donbas – quite literally the “Donets (River) Basin”.
Russia just gave up the Eastern/Northern Bank of that Donets River.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 17 2022 5:51 utc | 344

AltAlias @51
Yawn💤

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Sep 17 2022 14:26 utc | 345

@ aye, etc | 301
Nice try.
Explaining “my quote” is something I did in my original post.
Deriding Pat Bateman’s post is something I also did, in the original post.
Would you like to explain to me why you didn’t understand those the first times?

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 18 2022 15:26 utc | 346