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September 14, 2022
The Kharkov Counterattack – No Big Success – No Large Defeat

The 'western' media are euphoric about the 'successful' Ukrainian counterattack in Kharkov oblast.

Ukrainian forces retake key villages as counteroffensive advances writes the Washington Post. How Ukraine Gained Momentum Against Russia and Took a Critical Hub says the New York Times. WaPo again: Intelligence points to potential turning point in Ukraine war. Ukraine News: In Reclaimed Towns, Ukrainians Recount a Frantic Russian Retreat, headlines the NYT. Is Russia on the run? asks the Economist.

All have fallen for the belief that the Ukrainian rapid advance has caused a Russian defeat. That however is not the case.

The main Russian forces had already left the area. What was left were sentry guards of the Luhansk People's Republic and a few companies of the Russian National Guard which is more or less a police force. That is why the 'western' official talking with Reuters is quite cautious with his assessment:

"There's an ongoing debate about the nature of the Russian drawdown, however it's likely that in strict military terms, this was a withdrawal, ordered and sanctioned by the general staff, rather than an outright collapse."

"Obviously, it looks really dramatic. It's a vast area of land. But we have to factor in the Russians have made some good decisions in terms of shortening their lines and making them more defensible, and sacrificing territory in order to do so," the official said, adding he did not expect Russia to immediately seek to regain lost territory.

The main Russian reason for holding onto Izium southeast of Kharkov was to use it as a springboard to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk along the M-03 highway. However over the last months several Russian attempts to cross the Siverski Donets river south and east of Izium and to establish a bridgehead on the southern side had failed.

Situation at the end of August with Izium in the upper left corner

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The Ukrainians were well established in the 'Sherwood Forest' on the southern side and had defeated all attempts to push a larger Russian forces into the area. (According to Yves Smith Alexander Mercouris had made that point and predicted a Russian withdrawal from Izium in one of his shows before the Kharkov 'counteroffensive' started.) I myself had missed that point.

The region, which is sparsely populated (Izium had a pre-war population of some 40,000), has little additional value. Russian forces that had been there shortly after the war began had been pulled out over time to rotate into other areas.

According Colonel Markus Reisner from the Austrian military the Ukraine used six full brigades (vid) in its attack. If Russian Defense Ministry numbers are halfway right the Ukrainian forces lost some 4,000+ soldiers, nearly two brigades, in the attack. These were troops that ran into areas that the Russian artillery had pre-registered. They received barrage after barrage and were destroyed.

The Russian air force caused additional damage. Hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles the 'west' had delivered to Ukraine were destroyed. Talk of large Russian material losses and of thousands of Russians taken prisoners of war are nonsense.

One Washington Post piece today cites a partisan 'open source' organization about the losses:

According to preliminary estimates from Jakub Janovsky, a military analyst and contributor to the Oryx blog tally of equipment losses, Russia lost 40 tanks, 50 infantry vehicles, 35 armored vehicles and two jets.

However other Washington Post journalists looked at the evidence:

The equipment left behind in the video amounts to about a tank company, Hodges said, which is typically outfitted with about 10 or 11 tanks.

Another video, taken along a street in central Izyum, shows a marooned 2S19 Msta self-powered howitzer. The system does not have obvious signs of being disabled.

Other pictures taken in Izyum show heavier damage to Russian military equipment, indicating they were hit in battle. One armored vehicle can be seen at a gas station in the city with bullet holes, burn marks and deflated tires.

Ukrainian forces published a video showing the husk of a TOS-1A, a multiple-rocket launcher, using its nickname “Solntsepyok.”

Given the huge areas that does not sound like large losses. British 'intelligence' claims that the 1st Guards Tank Army was destroyed in the attack are ludicrous. The 1st Guard has the equivalent of about 20 brigades with some hundred tanks and armored vehicles in each. Its units were not even in the area when the attack happened.

As Larry Johnson has laid out, planning for a withdrawal from a large area takes time. The Russian decision to let go of the Kharkov region must have been made before the Ukrainian counterattack was launched. That it was coming was known. Since mid of August the deployment map by Military Land showed strong tank formations south and west of the Izium area. The Russians had reported attacks on those and other units on a daily base. Dima of the Military Summary channel had mentioned them several times.

When the counterattack happened the Russian forces pulled back to the eastern side of the Oskol river and are now protected by it. At the southern end, near Lyman, the Siverski Donets river is used to cover the Russian forces. These are strong positions, hard to attack, that can be held by a limited force.

Current situation:

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I had expected that Russia would draw in the attacking Ukrainian forces to then cut them off. But it did not had the forces, or interest, to do so now. It had instead ordered a withdrawal. The use of artillery and air force to attack the Ukrainian forces while they were still on the roads, attacking an enemy that was no longer there, has proved to be the right decision.

Colonel Reisner, linked above, says the first 'counteroffensive' in the south against Kherson was a major failure that has cost many Ukrainian lives. Another military professional, Lt.Col.(ret) Daniel Davis agrees:

When Putin prioritized the capture of the Donbas as his primary objective, the Kremlin conducted what’s known as “economy of force” missions in the north around Kharkiv and in the south near Kherson. The intent of the Russian missions in the north and south was to use as few troops as possible to keep the UAF tied up so that they could not move more troops to the Donbas to resist Russia’s offensive there. Russia then thinned its defenses even more in late August to deploy more troops to defend against the known offensive about to start near Kherson.

The additional Russian troops in Kherson appear to have helped Moscow’s forces inflict grievous casualties on the Ukrainian attackers in the Kherson region but fatally weakened Russian defenses in the Kharkiv region.

When the Ukrainian troops shocked the Russian defenders at the start of the Kharkiv offensive, the Russians began to surrender territory quickly. They not only had few troops left in the area, but those troops were mainly volunteers. Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide, but Ukraine advanced faster than Russia could get reinforcements in place. The Russian leadership was faced with a conundrum: order its troops to contest every meter of territory in an attempt to buy time for reinforcements to arrive, or evacuate the area and preserve its manpower for future fights.

They chose the latter. Russia not only surrendered Izyum without a fight but later evacuated nearly the whole of the territory they occupied north of Kharkiv all the way to the Russian border, up to 3,000 total square kilometers back under Ukrainian control. Many in the West are hailing this move as proving Ukraine is well on its way to winning the war and might even result in the downfall of Vladimir Putin. A little context might be helpful before making such sweeping judgments.

Daniel Davis says that "Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide". He must refer to the video, released by the Russians, that showed armored air-mobile forces landing in huge Mi-26 helicopters. But Colonel Reisner says that those helicopters landed east of the Oskol river. The troops they carried never went into battle in the Kharkov region. The helicopter video was a deception as there was nothing left in the Kharkov region to reinforce.

Davis concludes:

Ukraine has likely expended the majority of its striking power in these twin offensives, suffered many casualties, and will require considerable replenishment and replacements before being able to go much further (there are reports that a smaller Ukrainian attack may be in the offing for Ugledar [southwest of Donetsk] but as of this writing none has materialized).

I also still expect another Ukrainian attack in southern Donbas region. But the Russian forces there were reportedly reinforced by the new 3rd Russian corps. Those are some 30-50,000 Russian veterans called up to form a new formation. They will likely be able to withstand anything the Ukraine can throw against them.

Adding:

Yves just published a writeup on the more political side of things. Scholz continues to be one of the dimmest guys in this game:

Olaf Scholz and Vladimir Putin Talk Past Each Other as Ukraine Pushes for Formalizing Ukraine’s NATO Lite Status

Comments

German major government MSM weapon “Die Welt” in full anti russian modus:
= Russians running away like rabbits =
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/video241052905/Ex-General-Kather-Wir-hoeren-dass-die-Russen-wie-die-Hasen-weglaufen.html
= Torture and murder were commonplace under Russian occupiers =
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/video241050811/Ukraine-Krieg-Selenskyj-besucht-wiedereroberte-Stadt-Isjum-Nationalgarde-trainiert-fuer-kommenden-Einsaetze.html
„Es war der Horror“ – Folter und Mord waren unter russischen Besatzern an der Tagesordnung
Die Ukraine will das Leben in den zurückeroberten Gebieten im Osten so schnell wie möglich wieder normalisieren. Ermittler der ukrainischen Polizei versuchen jetzt, die Kriegsverbrechen von Putins Truppen aufzudecken.

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 14 2022 20:42 utc | 201

@petergrfstrm | Sep 14 2022 20:08 utc | 190
Yes – that’s an interesting post. Now, I don’t know whether he’s right or wrong (beyond my pay grade), but at least he tried to make an *independent* estimate based on something other than sticking a finger in the air or tossing a coin or listening to the RF or Ukrainian MODs.
Personally, I don’t believe very much that the Ukrainian MOD say (and even less what the RF say – as someone said in an earlier thread, if they had destroyed that much of the Ukrainian army, they would be lunching in Kiev by now). Which is OK, as far as it goes: it’s just not realistic to expect either side to fess up to what the other side is doing to them in a war and to big up what they are doing to the other guys.
But my point about AtomicCherry is that – right or wrong – he tries to give a realistic (for him, of course) assessment of what the situation is. He doesn’t try to be an armchair general or second guess what the RF commanders are up to. And most importantly, he doesn’t go much beyond his core competence which seems to be missiles and logistics.
In other words, he is another data point that anyone who is genuinely interested in what is going on should consider. That’s all I’m really saying here.

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 20:44 utc | 202

Flying Dutchman | Sep 14 2022 20:09 utc | 191
There are still BUK launchers and no doubt a few S-300s left in Ukraine. If it were just Ukraine rather than NATO the would be without main radar. BUK launchers do have a targeting radar and that in conjunction with NATO surveillance is dangerous. NATO sends coord’s to the launcher when aircraft is in range and BUK switches on radar and fires.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2022 21:02 utc | 203

@198 bevin
You have not convinced me ever that the forces of neoliberalism are in any way shape or form weaker or less disastrous for humanity than the forces of reactionary nationalism.
I will take the latter 10/10 and twice on Sunday.
Your pie-in-the-sky wish that neoliberalism’s convulsions will lead to an opening for Bolshevism is not grounded in what is happening currently with Russia.
Is Russia, yes or no, a reactionary force against neoliberalism? Answer the question, bevin.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2022 21:04 utc | 204

Posted by: tucenz | Sep 14 2022 20:31 utc | 197
“queeny signed off on it all (did her pen leak?).”
Queeny did’t didn’t sign off on any of it.
I can’t blame her for having a leaky pen.
She had almost no power whatsoever – just a pretty little girl who got dumped with the job of being our Queen…
And did an Amazing Job…
Who would you Prefer as The Queen of New Zealand
If you wanted Princess Diana – too late
THe CIA Assassinated her…
Look what you have got now
(I really liked the idea of moving our family to Christchurch in New Zealand – and it was just about doable)
But we have so many brilliant bands in London, and a good social life…
The good news is that my baby grandchild is now doing well in her mothers womb. The NHS have been monitoring her very regularly. Whilst Grandad (me) fat old bastard) have lost 7lbs, my unborn baby child has gone from 2lbs to 4lbs, and might not only survive but go full term in her mummy’s tummy
Hopefully another healthy baby
Born in London – ENGLAND
Probably a Girl for her two older Brothers 4 & 6
Life goes on..wtf is this
this is your baby sister – look after her
None of us have been jabbed.
I can’t ask for more than that
Nana and Grandad are fine, thanks

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 21:11 utc | 205

Tiroler no. 201
The guardian says so too:
“Ukraine’s officials claim to have discovered ‘torture chamber’ used by Russian troops”
And yesterday they claimed the ukrainians had captured so many russians, they didn’t know what to do with them.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Sep 14 2022 21:15 utc | 206

«controlling the optics – is very important to the NATO alliance, but after a point these information programs are directed mostly at their own populations»
Obviously: EU/USA voters cannot access RF sources directly, and EU/USA media only quote ukrainian sources, and largely vice-versa too. It is called “home front morale” operations.
Another commenter argues that NATO governments don’t really care about the public opinion of their “home front” but that is not quite right: they don’t care for their voters to *approve* their actions against the Donbas and the Russian Federation, but they care somewhat whether their voters *oppose* them.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/caught-in-a-cycle-of-despair-and-exploitation/
«Truss’s conversion to action on energy prices is not motivated by a sudden concern for poverty or the needs of ordinary people. I learnt of it on Sunday night, before her U turn was briefed, from senior Foreign Office (FCDO) sources. Government polling has indicated a substantial fall in public support for NATO’s proxy war in Ukraine, due to unsustainable energy prices at home.»
https://exxpress-at.translate.goog/klartext-von-stelzer-erster-oevp-landeshauptmann-kritisch-zu-eu-sanktionen/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
«Resistance to the EU sanctions against Russia decided in Brussels is growing not only in Austria, but also in broad sections of the population in Germany. In it they call for all sanctions against Russia to be stopped and negotiations to end the war against Ukraine to begin, reports focus.de. In this letter of protest, the concerned craftsmen write: “We as craftsmen know from many conversations with our customers that the vast majority is not willing to sacrifice their hard-earned standard of living for Ukraine. It’s not our war either!”»
Yes, the “Yellow Vests” in France and the protests against the invasion of Iraq had virtually no effects EU/USA government policies, but the governments would still rather avoid them.
The current ukrainian operations in Donbas, where they attacked a part of the front left largely undefended for some good reasons are just meant to boost the EU/USA “home front morale” before a difficult winter.

Posted by: Blissex | Sep 14 2022 21:19 utc | 207

@ bevin | Sep 14 2022 19:38 utc | 178
Agree.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 14 2022 21:33 utc | 208

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 113
All of it applies to the US. Maybe we should try to fix our own culture instead of destroying lives and draining resources killing others.
An entire essay, or an entire 2,000 page book, could be devoted to a discussion of “conflict as deflection,” using military conflict as a means to distract the population from the unresolved problems the political class has created at home.
Why does the US seek to undermine China?
Because “capitalism with a Chinese face” is proving to be more successful than that practised in America. China leads in the number of patents granted per year. The population engaged in hard sciences (which result in significant technological advance), is estimated at ten times that in the US. A few data points:
– The US has been reliant on rocket engines manufactured by Russia. The US has yet to demonstrate the ability to build a comparable domestic equivalent.
– RF, China, and even North Korea, all field hypersonic weapons against which there is no present known defence. The US is still trying.
– The US tolerates its citizens living in 3rd world conditions under bridges and in urban “tent cities.” When China needs housing it builds an entire city almost over-night.
– The level of general education in the US is so abominable that even a Liz Truss demonstrates greater clarity of thought. Look at the falsehoods and deception found in the MSM all of which is accepted as true without question by an uncritical, under-educated, viewing public.
– Biden speaks of evil authoritarian regimes. He is not talking about a political party that treats Jan 6 as the equivalent of the Reichstag Fire, that ignores the loss of life and property damage associated with BLM protests, the evidence of the suppression of the Hunter Biden story, the evidence of COVID policies unsupported by science, the evidence of COVID being a consequence of US funded research, the evidence of “irregularities” in the last Presidential election, the present political persecution of the past President and any of his supporters, the huge transfers to the defence industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and now the semi-conductor industry, the evidence of state manipulation of public opinion.
– And despite all the money spent on defence the US fields “advanced” fighter aircraft (F22, F35) which are expensive hanger queens, “advanced” destroyers for which the US cannot afford the ammunition, an “advanced” class of littoral combat ships which the CNO Admiral Mike Gilday, described as not “bringing lethality to the fight. … I just didn’t see the return on investment.” Not to mention F-35 production requires rare earths presently only available from China, the designated “enemy.”
But none of these issues enter the public debate. Instead public attention is focused on Z and his ability to “capture” 2,000 square kilometres devoid of enemy forces.
America is a dysfunctional social, political, and economic entity determined to address its internal contradictions by starting WWIII.
I suspect we will learn more in the aftermath of the coming SCO conference. I have little optimism about our collective future.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 14 2022 21:36 utc | 209

The three failed UAF attacks – at least one including armour – near Nesterianka suggest an attempt to seize the road to Vasylivka. When coupled with the recurring amphibious assaults it strongly appears the UAF are attempting to recapture the NPP at Enerhodar from both the north and the east.

Posted by: pietre | Sep 14 2022 21:43 utc | 210

This must be a fake news
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/ukraine-captures-russia-aerial-warfare-pod

Posted by: Andrew | Sep 14 2022 21:49 utc | 211

“Is Russia, yes or no, a reactionary force against neoliberalism? Answer the question, bevin.”
NemesisCalling@204
It very much depends on what you mean. In some respects the Russian economy is run on liberal lines. The Central Bank is directed by a keen neo-liberal. On the other hand there are all sorts of remnants of the Soviet system left which are both popular-health care and education I believe are examples- and crucial to the maintenance of a healthy society.
And then there is reality: given the attitudes towards Russia of the epicentres of neo-liberalism, Russia has to strike out its own (Listian) protectionist, import substituting autarkic… course.
Does this put Russia, willy nilly, in the anti neo-liberal camp? I think that it must, in the long run and that Russia has to do much more to remedy the gross inequalities in society, if only to protect itself from the oligarchs control of much of the media and the economy.
It certainly puts Russia in the anti-imperialist camp. And Imperialism is a stronghold for neo-liberalism, while China, Russia’s indispensable ally against imperialism, is definitely opposed to the anarchies of neo-liberal economics.
What does not follow is your belief that to oppose neo-liberalism implies reactionary nationalism. It doesn’t, neo-liberalism has always been and remains a very suitable economic system under fascism.
It is the system that the Koch Bros, for example, favour- it is a combination of the Night Watchman state with the Nazi, crush the workers, build up the armies of conquest, state. Which is very similar to that of the British Empire in its heyday- the great inspiration for fascists elsewhere in Europe- and, of course the US state with its own peculiarities and great luck.
I am very conscious of not having answered your question satisfactorily but there is no short way of doing so except saying NO.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 21:52 utc | 212

I’ve just read this news. Can it be true? I don’t trust this Greek site too much (use Google Translate):
Russian sources: Organized assassination attempt against B.Putin – His motorcade was hit – Will he pay for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv?
Resentment of Russia’s “Deep State”?
14/09/2022 – 21:23 in Main Topics , Russia
https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/rosikes-piges-organomeni-apopeira-dolofonias-kata-v-poutin-chtypithike-i-limouzina-tou-proedrou-tis-rosias/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Posted by: Ryck | Sep 14 2022 21:54 utc | 213

You have not convinced me ever that the forces of neoliberalism are in any way shape or form weaker or less disastrous for humanity than the forces of reactionary nationalism.
I will take the latter 10/10 and twice on Sunday.
Your pie-in-the-sky wish that neoliberalism’s convulsions will lead to an opening for Bolshevism is not grounded in what is happening currently with Russia.
Is Russia, yes or no, a reactionary force against neoliberalism? Answer the question, bevin.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2022 21:04 utc | 204
Neo-liberalism leads to cooperate socialism and gangster economics. The purveyor of neo-liberalism often pretends to be liberal, but they really just want corporations to own and control everything, including the government; a democracy based on wealth rather than votes. Many neo-liberals are in fact Reactionary nationalists just as many Republicans are, but the New Democratics could hardly call themselves Republicans, could they. The primary product of reactionary nationalism and neo-liberalism are often just about the same: Neoliberalism is a form of political economy that strives to accomplish only one mission: to restore the class power of the global economic elite.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 14 2022 21:59 utc | 214

Andrew | Sep 14 2022 21:49 utc | 211
No it isn’t but, given the Russians were content to let it rot in a field probably means that it is less significant than described. We don’t know how much of the system in the fuselage was destroyed as planned when the crew ejected. It isn’t a new system, that is going into the Su-57, so it now means that this one might perhaps be added to Russia’s arms export portfolio.
Its here too
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-just-captured-one-of-russias-most-capable-aerial-electronic-warfare-pods

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 14 2022 22:00 utc | 215

@212 bevin
I can boil your post down to one sentence.
Everything outside of communism is fascism.
But if that is truly the case, I would say that fascism can be beneficial for a people vis a vis nationalism or it could be beneficial for the elite through neoliberalism.
As you can not make this distinction, and I am conceding to you that I am willing to be called a fascist, provided you recognize my position as anti-liberal/anti-neoliberal, I would argue you are on a foolish quest and are about to be horribly let down by the reactionary reckoning.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2022 22:02 utc | 216

This war is as much economic as it is military, and possibly even more so. Just how much privation European citizens are willing to suffer remains to be seen. Rational, well informed people would readily conclude that they are being deceived by their own leaders to advance goals that are contrary to the people’s own interest. But in the case of the war in Ukraine, hatred of Russia has been so skillfully and relentlessly driven into the minds of the European populace that they may be willing to sacrifice a very great deal personally in order to defeat “evil” Russia and its “monstrous” leader, Vladimir Putin.
This level of mind control is reminiscent of Orwell’s “1984,” in which Oceana, at any given time, is at war either with East Asia or Eurasia. The citizens of Oceana accept this fact and the accompanying hatred of the present enemy as a matter of routine. Which makes one wonder whether the real Europe of today will soon begin observing its own version of Hate Week, just as fictional Oceana did. I might add that in the event of citizen protests, the repression by the state is likely to be very severe.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 14 2022 22:11 utc | 217

Why does Russia not escalate and say you have 3 days to return our stuff?
Posted by: First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143
Janet doesn’t have either a Pay Pal or Mir account. CBR doesn’t accept Uzbek MasterCard and Visa transactions.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 14 2022 22:11 utc | 218

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 14 2022 21:36 utc | 209
I just love your posts here. You are highly intelligent.
“The US has been reliant on rocket engines manufactured by Russia. The US has yet to demonstrate the ability to build a comparable domestic equivalent.”
if I may for a second, give my respect to Bernhard Hoftsman, who yesterday posted someone’s idea about PEACE, and got seriously critisiced.
To achiece Peace, you have to consider the “Other Side’s” point of view.
I am extremely lucky, in having a lovely wife, who came home at the end of the day, with a massive great rocket for our Grandchildren (4 & 6) in this big box (less than half price from the local supermarket – closing down)
Except it is not a Rocket
It is The Biggest Glider, I have ever seen for £6.
Not Radio Controlled..
You just run with it, in our local park as fast as you can, and throw it as hard as you can and if the glider catches a thermal, you are unlikely to see it again…but all the kids are going to go wow. they are out in the park having fun.
expect sledging in snow next
who needs mobile phones?

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 22:13 utc | 219

Kharkov as economy of force yes, but not Kherson and Nikolaev. The south is the geostrategic priority. Donbas is the political priority (and parts of Donetsk contributing to the geostrategic). Russia would like Kharkov but it will take Odessa.
The south guarantees crimea’s safety and the Black Sea fleet. Odessa effectively blocks NATO (minus Turkiye) from the Black Sea. And most of this from the US/UK side going back to 2014 is about Sebastopol. They want a NATO naval base there, they were building one in Odessa. They want to take away Russia’s warm water port, the one so important to Catherine and the one the Brits have tried to take before.
If Russia had dashed and landed to take Odessa immediately, the US/UK would have already abandoned Zelensky and Ukraine. They’ll walk away as soon as Odessa is truly lost. Without at least Odessa Ukraine costs more than it’s worth to DC and London.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 14 2022 22:26 utc | 220

= Torture and murder were commonplace under Russian occupiers =
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/video241050811/Ukraine-Krieg-Selenskyj-besucht-wiedereroberte-Stadt-Isjum-Nationalgarde-trainiert-fuer-kommenden-Einsaetze.html
„Es war der Horror“ – Folter und Mord waren unter russischen Besatzern an der Tagesordnung
Die Ukraine will das Leben in den zurückeroberten Gebieten im Osten so schnell wie möglich wieder normalisieren. Ermittler der ukrainischen Polizei versuchen jetzt, die Kriegsverbrechen von Putins Truppen aufzudecken.
Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 14 2022 20:42 utc | 201
So here we go again, just like the feint in Kiev with the bodies in Butcha, the Kiev Nazis are at it again. They made it clear that they were going after
the pro-Russians in Lzyum and other areas formerly controlled by the RU forces. So, they torture some people to get information and the bring in the docile western press to confirm that the Russians did it. This was all expected, and the Nazi modus operandi is consistent.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 14 2022 22:27 utc | 221

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 22:13 utc | 220
Thanks for the kind words. Uncertain as to any degree of intelligence. As puzzled as most MoA posters in trying to determine where the truth lies.
The glider sounds fantastic. I am sure someone, somewhere is working out how to convert it into a lethal weapon.
Stay warm this winter.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 14 2022 22:35 utc | 222

Ursula today… this is the level of our fake, plagiarist elites. You can clearly read this isn’t her own opinion, it is a script or opinion that was given to her by someone else. Like she made her thesis work, too.
https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/status/1570143298269888512

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2022 22:36 utc | 223

“…I am conceding to you that I am willing to be called a fascist…”.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2022 22:02 utc | 216
You do know that the SMO is about killing as many fascists as possible in Ukraine, don’t you? You should also know that a fascist and a pedophile are about the same order of magnitude.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 14 2022 22:39 utc | 224

Pashinyan might be gone soon. He has few choices except to accept Azerbaijan’s demand on Artsakh.
Fears Pashinyan is about to agree to the depopulation of all of Artsakh, yet another historically Armenian region they will have been driven out of while the world watches.
https://twitter.com/baronichitas/status/1570095807818244097

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2022 22:43 utc | 225

Russia is trying to keep “things” low key. Kept contained inside Ukraine borders. Win some lose some tactics….. You ramp it up to fast, to hard. Next thing you’ll have “NATOs” excuse to launch the “big” missles over the border at western Russian infastructure, and NATO would love to do it, (A lot of itchy finger wanna bees wanting to prove something)…
I have seen and heard enough to know, the ones pulling the strings believe they can survive an all out war… So war it is.

Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Sep 14 2022 22:45 utc | 226

The sad truth came to light.
Ukraine in fact shelled their own dam.
Extremely disrespectful.
This was uncovered after painstaking investigation by Bellingcat found Russian missiles could not be responsible, as they had a 99% fail rate, and ran out on the 6th of April.

https://twitter.com/baronichitas/status/1570118608369360896

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2022 22:52 utc | 227

The sad truth came to light.
Ukraine in fact shelled their own dam.
Extremely disrespectful.
This was uncovered after painstaking investigation by Bellingcat found Russian missiles could not be responsible, as they had a 99% fail rate, and ran out on the 6th of April.

I thought that the Ukies were encircling Moscow as we speak, how’d they have time to shell themselves?

Posted by: Just Observing | Sep 14 2022 23:22 utc | 228

@ pretzelattack | Sep 14 2022 19:19 utc | 174
hey! thanks… i pretty much agree with all you say, except the length of time it is going to take to switch from unipolar to multipolar and how the usa responds moving forward here… i wish it was sooner, but my impression is the usa and financial system have a lot more oomph then many folks generally realize who are on russias side – which would include the two of us.. i think it is going to take much longer to wind this thing down… meanwhile the west – natao- usa want to wind this thing up.. i think russia is smart to try to wind it down.. that is what we are witnessing here as i see it… thanks again for your commentary..
@ Sushi | Sep 14 2022 21:36 utc | 209
thanks for giving dochollywood a response.. it is an important question he raises… my ongoing impression is so much of what the usa and friends are doing is based off the desire to keep the centrality and supremacy of the us$ from falling off a cliff… hopefully this position of us$ as unipolar top dog can come undone is the least destructive way… it is doubtful, so i relate to how you characterize it all at the end of your post…
@ Lex | Sep 14 2022 22:26 utc | 221
i disagree with your last paragraph… there is a lot more at stake here then ukraine as i see it… and no matter what russia does here, the west will continue to ramp up the hostilities and seek revenge for russia not signing onto the western financial oligarchs designs on russia itself… the big picture here as i see it, if i can be so bold, is all about world finance… russia can’t be allowed to opt out of this controlled playground usa-uk have had for the past 70 odd years.. this is what this war is about as far as i can tell..

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 23:25 utc | 229

@ Just Observing | Sep 14 2022 23:22 utc | 229
that’s funny! nice dig at bellingcrap too, lol…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 23:26 utc | 230

car crash but zelensky is fine and unscathed…
“The Ukrainian president was accompanied by French celebrity Bernard Henri-Levy. Photos from the visit shared by Zelensky on social media showed one of his bodyguards sporting a patch used by the SS-Totenkopfverbande units in Nazi Germany.” off rt news…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 23:30 utc | 231

Posted by: Lex | Sep 14 2022 22:26 utc | 221
If Russia had dashed and landed to take Odessa immediately, the US/UK would have already abandoned Zelensky and Ukraine. They’ll walk away as soon as Odessa is truly lost. Without at least Odessa Ukraine costs more than it’s worth to DC and London.

Ukraine has already cost the UK, and Europe, more than it is worth. Words don’t do justice to the economic damage that’s already been done to Europe, and from which it may never recover.
A big, important, vast chunk of the European economy is currently tapping its feet, nervously, in mid air. Like Wily E Coyote in those cartoons. It cannot survive the new energy price regime, so it will not survive it.
The comic plummet begins soon.
The calculus is less dramatic in Washington DC, but no less depressing. The Ukraine war has already been a disaster for the United States. From the failure of the sanctions to the endless, reckless spending on Ukraine while urgent issues at home go unaddressed, to the dawning realisation that most of the non-Western world no longer respects and – worse – no longer fears the United States.
There is no win condition for the West from here. The entire Ukrainian adventure is the most costly, underthought and over virtue-signalled self-inflicted disaster for the Western world after Net Zero and Covid.
It has already delivered a mortal wound to a huge chunk of the West’s economy while weakening the United States’ position with a broad swathe of increasingly important countries. The only friends Uncle Sam has left are the ones that were already US-owned anyway. And those friends just became a lot less valuable, given that they’re now poor and about to export their inevitable financial turmoil to beleaguered Wall Street.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 14 2022 23:31 utc | 232

@ fnord | Sep 14 2022 15:45 utc | 43
My thinking is along the same lines.
One of the Russia’s declared objectives is demilitarization of Ukraine. You, can’t do that properly with the Ukrainian forces hidden in the major cities like Mykolaiv or Kharkiv. So, you have to bring the Ukrainian forces out in the open; thus, the two diversions on both directions.
The Mykolaiv / Kerson attach was/is a disaster, and with the destruction on the dam upstream, the Russian forces have now a large part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in a turkey shot position, aka nowhere to go but to Jesus.
In the Kharkiv counteroffensive the Ukrainian forces are in-between two bodies of water, so, with no where to go on the East and easily trapped from the West. The area as per article has very few civilians to begin with, so, it’s ideal for the ‘dumb’ bombing by the Russian aviation.
In any case, if you count the Ukrainian loses in the two counteroffensives, they are way above the average of 200-300 soldiers per day in the last 3 months. Thus, the demilitarization of Ukraine, is effective.
So, the NATO ‘think tanks’ popped up the champagne a bit too early.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Sep 14 2022 23:31 utc | 233

cos I am a conspiracy theorist got 9/11 – covid did my head in.
I had always been fit and healthy since a kid typically doing 6 festivals camping at festivals in England, and maybe a few in foreign countries.
I went almost completely deaf in one ear (I couldn’t put it down to too much Motorhead – Lemmy was already dead)
I seriously thought i had got covid, not that I had much interest in the World Miltary Games in Wuhan (which strangely The UK, did not take part in)
But from being fit and healthy for a 65+ year old, I couldn’t hear in one ear.
This seriously affected my mobility and balance, and I had to ask my lovely wife to hold my hand, whilst I crossed the busy roads in London, to go to the pub to see a band, and hear them in mono.
I wouldn’t dare go to the doctors, or even admit to anyone I was almost completely deaf in my right ear.
But I did, buy these ear drops from my local supermarket…Hydrogen peroxide and urea..they googled away in my ear – all i could hear was popping bubbles, as they dissolved the ear wax close to my brain..and I could now walk and hear again…
So we went to the pub to see this fine band (My Son Gave us a lift in my Car)
I could Hear Again.
After 3 months of Covid. I thought it was all over. We were back to normal
Then they shut almost the entire human race down…
Shut all The Pubs
Shut All The Schools
Shut all The Hospitals
There is Something Really Evil Going on Here.
I am far from convinced that the Evil Bastards Trying to Kill us all are Human
Don’t Get Jabbed
Don’t Wear a Mask
RESIST
and be human and nice and try to help
We will Survive
We have got a new Grandchild to be born soon.
Tony xx

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 23:32 utc | 234

If the torture and killing of the Russian-speakers (‘collaborators’ in Ukr parlance) by the Nazi components in Kharkiv and adjoining areas from which the Russian army withdrew grows to an unacceptably oppressive level, will Putin call on the Ukr leadership to rein in the depradations and warn them of serious consequences if they fail to comply?
A causus belli if the numbers become monstrous to an unacceptable degree?

Posted by: chet380 | Sep 14 2022 23:44 utc | 235

@ chet380 | Sep 14 2022 23:44 utc | 236
Political and military objectives sometimes overlap, other times they go head to head, but almost NEVER are the same. It’s refreshing that Putin has the cool head to leave his military do what they were trained for.
The Leader sets the objectives, his generals achieve them.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Sep 14 2022 23:54 utc | 236

james, your three replies in one post
This is what I have been seeing.
…..
The Eurasianist
@Russ_Warrior
A complete breakup of the EU and NATO within 12 months is increasingly likely. European people have to do everything in their power to speed up the return of sovereignty, thus freedom and democracy in Europe, in order to minimize the sufferings caused by those 2 organizations.
……….
So long as Russia ensures the European elite maintain their sanctions, I can see the above occurring. SMO is a shaping operation for the self inflicted defeat of EU and NATO.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2022 23:55 utc | 237

@Flying Dutchman #134
The number of Ukrainian troops involved in this “Kharkiv offensive” is a maximum of 10 brigades = 5000 to 10000 men.
This is hardly a gigantic movement, especially considering the numbers being fed into the Kherson meatgrinder (500 to 1000 dead EACH DAY).
The Ukrainian “offensive” in Kharkiv is a handful of guys walking around an empty area, only with the extra bonus of getting bombed/shelled/missiled.
Ukrainian losses among the above 5K to 10K are 20%.
The Russians aren’t attempting to interdict all troop movements – they hit specific ones they think are high value. There is no benefit shooting up Territorial Defense forces being conveniently brought into artillery range anyway.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 14 2022 23:56 utc | 238

[…] since for once we [the US] are not the occupiers.
Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 14 2022 17:12 utc | 122
BS That is just silly.
Ukraine is a wholly owned USA subsidiary since 2014 after decades of anti-democratic white-anting interference in the country.
The US occupies Europe via NATO and other ” institutions” including their embassies and CIA sites.
The US is “an occupier” all over the world with it’s 1000+ military and Cia sites and Intel installations.
If the USA was a person it would be medically diagnosed as a delusional paranoid narcissist and a compulsive liar.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 15 2022 0:00 utc | 239

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 112
Sounds nice, but, just like Russia, the US loves getting involved in wars. This just happens to be the first just war that we’ve fought in 50 years. Also, probably the first war we’re going to “win” in 50 years, since for once we’re not the occupiers.
Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 14 2022 17:12 utc | 122
What do you mean by “we’re (the US) not the occupiers.” Ukraine has been occupied in one way or the other by the US and the CIA since at least 2004. What’s more when the Obama / Biden administration sponsored and paid for the Maiden@ Coup in 2014 and replaced the elected government with their own hand pick butt boys, you better believe that the US occupies the Ukraine, and they have a proxy army stationed in Ukraine to prove it: Are you really that dense?

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 0:06 utc | 240

Re: the attrition war waged by the Russians.
US will never run out of money, if they need more they’ll just print more, so, Ukraine will always have money from US.
UK will continue training UKR soldiers, because they hate the Russians (no idea why, but this is since few hundred years ago), and this hate will stop with the total annihilation of UK by the Russians (but, this is another subject).
EU will run out of energy and will break at its seams.
And Ukraine will run out of bodies to send into the Russian meatgrinder.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Sep 15 2022 0:09 utc | 241

c1ue | Sep 14 2022 23:56 utc | 239
“The number of Ukrainian troops involved in this “Kharkiv offensive” is a maximum of 10 brigades = 5000 to 10000 men.
This is hardly a gigantic movement, especially considering the numbers being fed into the Kherson meatgrinder (500 to 1000 dead EACH DAY).
The Ukrainian “offensive” in Kharkiv is a handful of guys walking around an empty area, only with the extra bonus of getting bombed/shelled/missiled.
Ukrainian losses among the above 5K to 10K are 20%.
The Russians aren’t attempting to interdict all troop movements – they hit specific ones they think are high value. There is no benefit shooting up Territorial Defense forces being conveniently brought into artillery range anyway.”
Thank you. But I don’t get why they aren’t smashing all troop and weapons movement. All the WWII books I read, allied air power from June 1944 on smashed anything the Germans tried to move by day.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 15 2022 0:10 utc | 242

SMO short and simple. A matador standing on the edge of an economic cliff enraging the economic bull. When the bull charges, the matador neatly steps aside.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 0:12 utc | 243

I am throwing this rumor out there. Bear in mind, a number of Russian oil industry executives have died recently under strange circumstances…
Putin’s limousine is ‘hit by loud bang’ in possible ‘attack’ – but Russian leader is left unharmed – according to anti-Kremlin sources who revealed health scares
‘On the way to the residence, a few kilometres away, the first escort car was blocked by an ambulance, [and] the second escort car drove around without stopping [due to the] sudden obstacle, and during the detour of the obstacle.
In Putin’s car ‘a loud bang sounded from the left front wheel followed by heavy smoke’.
Putin’s car ‘despite the problems with control’ made its way out of the attack scene to reach the safety of the residence.
‘Subsequently, the body of a man was found driving [the] ambulance, which blocked the first car from the motorcade,’ said SVR General.

Something might be up, it might be bullshit. Money, power, politics, bullshit? If he were taken out, the West would be in even worse shape IMHO

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 15 2022 0:14 utc | 244

A causus belli if the numbers become monstrous to an unacceptable degree?
Posted by: chet380 | Sep 14 2022 23:44 utc | 236
Just one is too much. but I doubt that the Comedian really cares: Do you?

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 0:15 utc | 245

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 0:12 utc | 244
lol.. good analogy… that is how i would try to play it too… thanks for your posts..
@ circumspect | Sep 15 2022 0:14 utc | 245
anything is possible… i trust russia has thought of this too given how insane the west is…

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 0:17 utc | 246

Good grief,there was no “invasion”.
Russia’s PR campaign is for the Global South, most of whom have not condemned the SMO. From there, news that are contrary to western narrative are trickling to the captive audience.
Any retrograde operation is fraught with the danger of turning into a complete rout and even operational defeat. The aim is to carry this out without tipping off the enemy.
Any half decent command will exploit any opportunities that may offer success. Starting with a recon by fire, movement to contact and “counter offensive” if possible.
The 2 SOBR units that held their ground did so, not because they were caught unprepared, but were for security if and when the enemy discovered the play before the final act.
Russia’s conduct while not without mistakes will be studied in depth for years to come. The West has failed to appreciate Russian Fire missions despite given a preview in the Georgian War.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 15 2022 0:22 utc | 247

Sushi @ 209
Insightful perspectives on the $tate of disUnion here in the $tates. John D. Rottenfeller in the early 1900’s massively funded the Columbia University school of education. He placed John Dewey and James Bryant Conant in charge of the new “educationist” system. Dewey famously remarked (paraphrasing here) ‘that we don’t care for these people to learn Latin, Greek, serious history, geography or advanced mathematics. Our objective is for them to work in our factories, shops and offices, as well as provide us food.’
The Columbia school of education soon became the template for similar institutions right across the fruited plain. Those colleges began turning out miseducators in vast numbers. Textbooks soon reflected the new directions. The deliberate dumbing down of the American public was in full charge.
During and after WWI, the American people became the most heavily propagandized people on the planet. Much of this can be attributed to Rottenchild minion bank$ter J.P. Morgan, who with his financier associates such as the Rottenfellers bought up the 25 most heavily read newspapers in the U.$. That happened in 1916 and “hate the hun” became the leitmotif for those publications. Morgan also finessed this ruptured republic into the war with the set-up Luisitania incident, as he was responsible for selling immense amounts of munitions to the Brits. So he definitely had a dog in the fight.
In the Postwar era, Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays invented public relations campaigns to fool the American people into becoming avid consumers.
Post WWII, television quickly became the One Eyed God and soon enough the Great Overwashed gave up reading. So that’s why Americans are so benumbed.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 0:22 utc | 248

We are just a bunch of friends, mainly from the England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, who like Live Music- going to see Bands..
Keep Music Live – where we live in South London.
Most of us can’t play any musical instruments well, but we just keep turning up at the same places across mainly England, but also in Spain and Various Greek Islands, not having any real idea of who is on
We tend to say..wtf are you doing here??
I don’t think there is anything evil about any of us..Of course some us change girlfriends and boyfriends – in fact many of our friends have met each other at our house for a party after the pub..
We are getting a bit old for that now with grandchildren now
but still pretty much the same. most of us only know each other by our first names, and have no interest of what their jobs, the colour of their skins are or what their jobs are
Just Friends who like Live Music.
The vast majority of us so far as I know, have massive respect for the Queen, but can’t stand the rest of these arseholes – royal family and politicians and media.
Fuck You Too – You Evil Bastards
Notice the Soldier who fainted Too – sad jabbed kid
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 15 2022 0:27 utc | 249

New weapons coming to Nazi kiev in a few weeks. Real game changers. SNOWBALLS…

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2022 0:28 utc | 250

@225 guernica
Wow, the plot thickens wrt calling everyone a fascist. Now they are pederasts.
You do not understand my point I am making with bevin. You have not been paying attention. But if you think the smo is simply to eradicate deluded-nationalists who have a legitimately geounded fear of Soviet Revanchism (although the smo is certainly not this), then I don’t know. Perhaps just ignore what I am saying.
But you seem like an intelligent fellow, so maybe you just can’t keep track of what words really mean and who truly embody them in this civilizational war.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 15 2022 0:34 utc | 251

Lex @ 221
Good points. Odessa is indeed the geostrategic key. Today’s strike at the dam in Krivoi Rog can be taken as both a powerful strategic move against those Ukie forces now marooned behind the Ingolats river. Dima, who appears to have recovered from his flighty reaction to the Ukie’s Kharkov move, noted that that stream is in full spate, with much of its course some 2.5 meters above its normal flow. That’s around 8+ feet us Yanks.
So, the move could set up harvest season for Russian forces in the area, particularly if those 10,000 Chechens are on scene. This one could be a true cauldron as it will be impossible for a week or more for armored vehicles to make the crossing as all the pontoons are now down. Small groups of soldiers might possible be able to build rafts to make crossings, but it would be a no-go for swimmers as the current is currently too powerful.
This brings us to point #2: Perhaps with the use of their powerful helicopter fleet, the RF forces may be able to transfer thousands of troops and several hundred armored vehicles across the Dnieper (despite the Ukies having disabled their bridges, as two can play at that game). With communications by highway and railroad from Krivoi Rog, now partially flooded, to Nicolaev; that city looks ripe for envelopment.
So things could get interesting on the southwestern front.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 0:40 utc | 252

I love a good, goofy conspiracy theory. Not because I believe them, but because it forces one to consider the limitations of what we CAN know at any given time. Besides, a lot of them are quite entertaining. The one below isn’t entertaining, nor is there any reason to believe it’s ‘true’. There’s simply a lot of… I don’t know… ‘convenient’ events? Prescient observations? Uncomfortable explanations?
Anyway, it’s all about the war between us (the U.S.) and you, GERMANY. Did Rand write this report and did some anonymous blogger manage to get a copy? Doubt it. Is this the reason the U.S. provoked Russia into Ukraine? Er… maybe. But when I see German citizens’ hard-earned money disappearing by self-imposed economic ruin or (worse) flowing across the Atlantic to OUR coffers, I really have to wonder. Same goes for the rest of you in the EU. Energy. Dollar/Euro exchange rate. Exporting your technical talent here, to the U.S. I don’t know – I would think someone would be worried about that. At any rate, the article/supposed Rand report is worth a few minutes of your time. I’m not interested in why it might be true, but rather why it couldn’t be true… especially from the Germans out there.
BOMBSHELL – CLASSIFIED RAND Corporation Executive Summary Research Report January 25, 2022: Weakening Germany, Strengthening The U.S.
No subscription necessary – just click the “Let me read it first” option on the bottom.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 0:43 utc | 253

Wars end when one side is sick of fighting. Kharkov “offensive” was just a PR stunt. A lightly equipped long thing line of rear guard troops could be easily scattered and on paper look like a yuuuuge victory. “We’re so close, just a little bit more” is to keep Europe engaged a little longer. Russian winter is nothing. Ukraine winter is nothing. European winter is everything. They won’t have the stomach for it and the US puppetmasters know it. They’ll burn firewood for a couple weeks and then start burning government buildings. They have brought in a massive criminal underclass that hasn’t evolved for cold. Meanwhile RF can just shelter in place and make no advances and no big moves. Winter will break Europe, and when Europe breaks Ukraine will go with it. A few well placed power outages will break the will of the people. Swastikas might fire their bellies but won’t keep them warm. RF just needs to let them keep being stupid. The rent-a-goons will go home.

Posted by: Average Joe | Sep 15 2022 0:47 utc | 254

unimperator @226
Pashinyan is said to be a pro-NATOstan stooge. If that is indeed the case, he must be overthrown by the enraged Armenian people and replaced by someone who is (1) anti-imperialist and (2) capable of engendering support from Russia and Iran. Under those conditions the Azeris could get caught between a rock and a hard place.
Such a development would dismay Erdogan with his Neo-Sultan fantasies. Perhaps he would get solace by going after the Greeks instead of messing with his two largest neighbors.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 0:47 utc | 255

bevin | Sep 14 2022 19:38 utc | 178–
Bravo!!!!
Precisely, essentially all NATO governments are dictatorships when it comes to waging war–the public has no say whatsoever as Iraq proved beyond all doubt. I recall Lavrov’s remarks about Western “democracy” from several years ago that mocked it. Xi and other Chinese have done the same. Although we didn’t specifically say so, IMO that’s one of the reasons why Roger and I advocate for the Multipolar World to demand the Unconditional Surrender of the Outlaw US Empire and its Neoliberal Parasite allies. Again, this conflict isn’t just about Ukraine as I know you know. But all those others flooding this blog either ignore that reality or have no clue whatsoever. IMO, while Russia really doesn’t want to do too much harm to European civilians, it must still turn up the pain level to destabilize NATO/EU. And as I wrote yesterday, much will be explained in confidence to Russia’s SCO partners so they understand the what/why of Russia’s escalation. In that vein, Escobar at his VK gave us a glimpse inside:

WHAT XI AND PUTIN WILL TALK ABOUT IN SAMARKAND
Li Zhanshu is the head of China’s legislature: the Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress. He’s Number 3 in the rigid hierarchy of the CPC. A VERY big fish.
So where was Mr. Li last week?
Well, at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok. He met and talked with Putin.
Li also had a key meeting with Russian State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin – and other Duma leaders.
This is what he told the Duma. Pay VERY close attention:
“We see that the United States and its NATO allies are expanding their presence near the Russian borders, seriously threatening national security and the lives of Russian citizens (…) “We fully understand the necessity of all the measures taken by Russia aimed at protecting its key interests” (…) “We are providing our assistance.”
How explicit is that?
Well, Xi and Putin will have a special meeting on the sidelines of the SCO Samarkand summit tomorrow.
They will discuss the SMO in Ukraine IN DETAIL. Especially the next steps.
Then, afterwards, we may be able to ascertain what Li meant when he said, “We are providing our assistance.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2022 0:47 utc | 256

James @ 230
True enough. Money, greed and a lust for total power rules the Western puppet regimes. Think Rottenchilds, Rottenfellers, Blackrock, $tate $treet, Vanguard, ad nauseam.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 0:50 utc | 257

Tony @ fantasyland.
Did the Kray boys give you a beating when you were younger? Your childlike worship of the fairy princess that has rubber stamped so much human misery is something to behold.
Your writing conjures up an image of an old man who has his bed covered in soft cuddly children’s toys.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 1:05 utc | 258

PavewayIV @254–
Thanks for the entertaining link. It goes well with Dr. Hudson’s two essays written back in February on the same topic–destroying the German/EU economies to the point where they become geoeconomically dependent on the Outlaw US Empire since trade with Russia is severed (but not China). In a comment I made to Roger yesterday, I noted the sin qua non of the geoeconomic equation–Europe cannot economically survive because of its dependence on Russia for things only Russia can provide. Two-three months ago, that reality smashed EU politicos upside the head and they’ve been very hard at work trying to solve their situation that has only one solution.
As for the Outlaw US Empire’s side of the equation, it’s been dependent on plundering global resources as official policy since 1948, and unofficially decades before that. Since the 1970s, it turned to financial plundering more than physical resource plundering as Hudson has described since Super Imperialism was published. The Ukraine op’s goal was two-fold, both financial and physical resource plundering, but it now looks like that op will fail. So, the secondary aim is to financially plunder the EU. The EU’s public is slowly awakening to that reality. So, perhaps Europe in 2023 will see something similar to 1848.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2022 1:19 utc | 259

Interesting about the disinfo/propaganda Putin motorcade assassination attempt upthread but it was Zelensky who was in the actual auto accident. Weird no?
cheers.

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 15 2022 1:27 utc | 260

gottlieb | Sep 15 2022 1:27 utc | 261
Weird Yes. It seems zeds ukie car was involved in an accident.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 1:30 utc | 261

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 20:07 utc | 189
“7. Can all US Military Peaople, Please Fuck Off Out of Europe, and Kill Each Other in The USA”
This seems a bit strong.

Posted by: RTX | Sep 15 2022 1:39 utc | 262

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 0:43 utc | 254
The Duran has a critique of the document text here:
https://theduran.com/apparent-rand-document-leak-is-shocking-video/?ml_subscriber=2039460379255379640&ml_subscriber_hash=p1y2
This is something Dr Hudson could have written. It would be interesting to see b’s analysis of the potential impact on German opinion.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 15 2022 1:44 utc | 263

Global Times editorial uses the context of the SMO to make the following observation:
“The SCO summit, held in the context of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, was even described by some Western media as creating an ‘anti-Western front.’ If there is a Chinese proverb to comment on this, it is ‘ask not the sparrow how the eagle soars.’ They can only understand and speculate about the SCO’s concepts with their own narrow cognition. The minds of American and Western elites are full of domineering and paranoid confrontational thinking. The target they wanted to suppress had better ‘socially die’ in the global village and not have its own circle of friends. However, the controlling power of the US and the West cannot match their ambitions, and things that do not meet their wishes are constantly emerging, just like the SCO. In a certain sense, this is the inevitability of social evolution or the progress of the times.”
I provided a short synopsis of the upcoming SCO Summit in Samarkand a few days ago. Many nations want to join, but none are Western. I guess that proves they’re uncooperative.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2022 1:51 utc | 264

Apparently Zelensky got car crashed!

Posted by: Smith | Sep 15 2022 1:51 utc | 265

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-15/ukraine-leader-promises-victory-during-frontline-town-visit/101441512 Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy involved in Kyiv car crash after promising victory during frontline visit

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 1:54 utc | 266

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 1:54 utc | 267
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy involved in Kyiv car crash after promising victory during frontline visit
That is the problem when driving with too much snow.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 15 2022 1:59 utc | 267

So why is Russia responding as if they were defeated?

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 15 2022 2:00 utc | 268

Do I have it right that the territory now surrendered by the Allies is some of the closest to Moscow? Sooner or later, the Kremlin will have to do … something about something if they don’t want to see US missile silos there.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 2:21 utc | 269

karlof1@260 – And let’s not forget the enormous shale gas potential of Ukraine. Between the Carpathian Basin (Lvov) and the Dnieper-Donets Basin, there may be something like 20 trillion cubic meters of natural gas + another ~4 tcm offshore Crimea. That’s equivalent to half of Russia’s total reserves today. Ukraine potential reserve figures are probably vastly overstated, but even half of that would still be significant. Problem is that production costs for fracking are high and they couldn’t compete price-wise with Russia, who could always undercut them on wholesale gas.
Solution? Construct a reason NOT to buy Russian gas at any price, and steal the Russian pipeline network to ship Ukraine gas to Europe. Then overcharge Germany for ‘energy secure’ Ukrainian (US/UK owned) gas. I think Burisma (Hunter Biden) had a few blocks of the Dnieper-Donets Basin locked up. Remember: 10% for the ‘big guy’ – heh.
So the question is whether Germany/EU are more valuable as economically ruined vassals to be bled dry by the U.S., or whether the German/EU economy should be preserved as they would be a profitable customers for Ukraine (US/UK owned) gas. Given the US track record in recent wars, I’m afraid it would have to be the former as the latter is increasingly improbable. Nonetheless, I can see why any Russo-German cooperation is an existential threat to US oligarchs and their transnational security state.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 2:24 utc | 270

Zelensky came to celebrate in Izium with pomp.
The ceremony was carried out with the participation of some troops. I don’t know how long it lasted, but it doesn’t seem rushed. And not even an apple fell on him…

Posted by: SCan | Sep 15 2022 2:24 utc | 271

@js | Sep 14 2022 16:35 utc | 84
>>a confession of faith of sorts
Just… wow. Closest analogy may be the MSM affirmations of the Yoda-like wisdom of Gen. Petraeus back in the day. Something occurred to me. When Martyanov trash talks all detractors he never tires to speak of “operations”–saying much the same thing every time. Apparently, this is some secret planning sauce known only to the Russian General Staff–and to Martyanov himself of course.
OK, so then let’s speak about those: how many offensive operations have the Russians actually carried out over the entire summer? I seem to remember only tactical skirmishes. Many of those have indeed gone their way, but still. As someone reminded me the other day, even the encirclement of Lysichansk was not carried out in time, so that many Ukie defenders of that town managed to escape with their equipment.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 2:33 utc | 272

Posted by: Average Joe | Sep 15 2022 0:47 utc | 255
“Russian winter is nothing. Ukraine winter is nothing. European winter is everything. They won’t have the stomach for it and the US puppetmasters know it. They’ll burn firewood for a couple weeks and then start burning government buildings. They have brought in a massive criminal underclass that hasn’t evolved for cold. Meanwhile RF can just shelter in place and make no advances and no big moves. Winter will break Europe, and when Europe breaks Ukraine will go with it. ”
Russian oil and gas is not the totality of European energy sources. Different countries have quite different energy profiles and the effects will differ from country to country. European cohesion will break down before it gets to the stage of the population freezing to death. There will be attempts by each country to draw in more of the available energy supplies (ie beggar my neighbour policies). Money printing (ie even further government debt) will be used to try to subsidise the population and critical industry in individual countries. Can’t work at an overall European level, total energy demand needs to shrink by 10-15% on an ongoing basis. Industry will close down – is already closing down.
My belief is that the whole basis of the European economic integration to date will crumble. In essence cheap and available energy sustained an industrial economy in Germany. That other European countries rode along with that, but fundamentally had a relative lack of competitiveness is seen in the massive Target 2 imbalances between EU countries.
We are moving into a chaotic period where economic collapse, financial collapse and social unrest will all be playing out at the same time. Not a time now to book travel to Europe for next year.

Posted by: Ross | Sep 15 2022 2:33 utc | 273

@Pancho Plail | Sep 14 2022 16:41 utc | 88
Just trying to mislead–though not randomly of course, but always in the direction of keeping Western support and thus the war going. How could it be otherwise? Sure the Brits have some people on the ground (shame on Russia for not destroying them pronto), but the “NATO intel apparatus” of satellites, AWACS, etc is of course American: Europe incl the UK can’t do anything without daddy, that’s how the whole system is designed.
The reasons why the EU continues to listen to the Brits is mostly the James Bond mythology, plus their own deep-seated mental and moral issues.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 2:40 utc | 274

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 15 2022 1:44 utc | 264
I do not believe that document is authentic. Too many errors in the English usage. Doesn’t read at all like other Rand documents.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 15 2022 2:40 utc | 275

My post at 274 was being written while Sushi was posting the link to the purported Rand document at 264. That link is well worth pursuing.

Posted by: Ross | Sep 15 2022 2:43 utc | 276

Sushi@264 – Thanks, Sushi. I see they just posted that today. Rand, themselves, also weighed in today: Fake RAND Report on ‘Weakening Germany’
So the report is clearly fake. The content, though? Er… Rand simply wouldn’t write a report embarrassing Germany like that, nor would the U.S. let Rand publish such a report. Ahhh… ignorance is bliss.
Now Rand says to check out their real reports on the Ukraine conflict here. Which is about the kind of reports you would expect from Rand. Funny how they sidestep the one category/issue we’re interested in here: Will sacrificing Germany/EU in the Ukraine proxy war against Russia be worth it, and for whom? Where’s THAT report, Rand? Hell, I would pay for that one.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 2:45 utc | 277

Sushi | Sep 15 2022 1:59 utc | 268
I laughed when I clicked. snorting dandruff does cause problems at times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2022 2:48 utc | 278

It seems to me that force levels are only one part of the problem, though a big one. (Saw video of Prigozhin making a pitch to Russian convicts to join Wagner in exchange for a pardon. So forming Kraken out of criminals proved the degeneracy of the Kiev regime, but “it’s OK if we do it”??)
The other issue is rules of engagement. Everybody seems to know about operations rooms full of NATO officers in Lviv/Odessa/Slavyansk, except the Iskander crews that could do something about it. So where is this going? When F-16s and Abrams tanks show up in Ukraine, crewed by NATO personnel with only minimal deniability, will those be off-limits as well? Gaming doesn’t make one an officer, but it teaches the value of invincible units.
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@Petri Krohn | Sep 14 2022 14:42 utc | 15
>>The real firepower is in the rear
Except of course, this time it wasn’t.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 3:03 utc | 279

@189
“6. All surviving members of our British Royal Family are probably complete slugs – and the USA is welcome to all of them, after killing our best – Princess Diana (do you want the inside goss on that)“
We were rid of the royals in 1776 and really have no great need to go around knocking off princesses in Paris underpasses. If the CIA played a role, it was peripheral imo. That was probably MI6 and a certain Her Majesty the Queen.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 15 2022 3:12 utc | 280

@Cesare | Sep 14 2022 14:54 utc | 24
>>In fact, Kherson and Kharkiv show for the first time in this war
>>that the Russian Air Force knows how to operate in broad daylight
>>across large swaths of Ukraine with complete impunity.
>>Where were all the stingers?
Stingers are not that effective against the faster fixed-wing aircraft, and simply don’t reach to 10+km altitude–but then again, Russian air support seems to fly low anyway. So it makes sense that the RuAF is more confident operating against an Ukie attack intruding on their own turf, instead of flying behind Ukie lines where a surprise may just be waiting for them.
It seems there is an open niche in the Russian arsenal for strike drones loitering over the battlefield. This capability was already revealed to be missing in the Syrian war, but Russia sometimes goes about business in its own inscrutable ways. Newly-bought Iranian kit may now be filling the gap.
Others more qualified may have more details/corrections.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 3:18 utc | 281

Strategic Culture has published an interesting piece by Matthew Ehret concerning Sergey Glazyev honouring the work of Lyndon LaRouche…
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/09/14/why-sergey-glazyev-memorial-to-the-legacy-of-lyndon-larouche-matters/
The transcript begins about half way down the page.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 3:40 utc | 282

You got smashed, humiliated, and driven completely out of Kharkhov. Your communist flags came down and the Ukranian flags went up. But it is a Russian victory. It is exactly what the geniuses at the general staff wanted.
That is not even intelligent. Try again.

Posted by: Rangewolf | Sep 15 2022 3:54 utc | 283

@First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143
>>Why does Russia not escalate and say you have 3 days to return our stuff?
Because they’re not the only ones with nukes? Washington nonstop tells the rest of the world what to do and not do, but outside of the weakest or most degenerate countries, their marching orders increasingly fall on deaf ears. If Russia were to behave exactly the same, they’d erode their own diplomatic position.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 4:03 utc | 284

Here we see that
Graham Philips interview with Russell Tehas Bentley today was just uploaded. Brief but decent overview, they’ll do more together soon. Notice how Tehas, whom I’ve followed and supported since 2014, and was the one to call the SMO prior to it beginning, is now calling for movement on Odessa & Kiev as the closing move of the SMO.

Posted by: NJH | Sep 15 2022 4:19 utc | 285

“neo-liberalism has always been and remains a very suitable economic system under fascism.
It is the system that the Koch Bros, for example, favour- it is a combination of the Night Watchman state with the Nazi, crush the workers, build up the armies of conquest, state. Which is very similar to that of the British Empire in its heyday.”
Yup.
The first people to call themselves neo-liberals were Italian fascists. Mussolini came to power and introduced what he called the “Manchesterian concept” of the state. He railed against the “postman state, the railway state,” etc. Privatization and deregulation followed.
The first Nazi party, in Austria, the real progenitor party, called itself, at its founding in 1918, “freiheitlich” — liberal. Does any one really need to retread Nazi economic history and how beholden the state was to the corporations, culminating in Speer’s (partly subterranean) system of “self-administration” — little more than rule by the industrialists, who dictated some of Speer’s, and Hitler’s, late war speeches?
Anyway. NemesisCalling will keep on keeping on with their alt-right blather, nothing will stop that.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 15 2022 4:27 utc | 286

@ b | Sep 14 2022 15:11 utc | 31
I’ve been posting here since you opened the place, back about 20 years ago.
I changed my name from “Chinahand” out of respect for the blogger that goes by that name. Changed it again from something else because I wanted more anonymity.
If you’re going by IP addresses, that’s about the time I got my VPN.
You should pay more attention to your commenters.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 15 2022 4:36 utc | 287

Below is a Xinhuanet posting about the friction between what is actually happening versus what was supposed to happen under the Istanbul package agreements

MOSCOW, Sept. 14 (Xinhua) — Russian President Vladimir Putin and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres discussed issues of grain exports over a telephone conversation on Wednesday, the Kremlin said in a statement.
“The main attention is given to the implementation of the Istanbul package agreements on the export of Ukrainian grain from the Black Sea ports, as well as the export of Russian food and fertilizers,” the statement said, confirming both sides’ mutual position on ensuring the needs of countries in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America as a priority.
During the phone call, the UN chief informed in detail about the measures taken by the Secretariat and the specialized UN agencies on removing all obstacles for pushing the supplies of Russian agricultural products and fertilizers to world markets, expressing his full commitment to solving this issue.
According to the statement, both sides also discussed the situation around the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the context of the visit by the International Atomic Energy Agency on Sept 1.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2022 4:44 utc | 288

@unimperator | Sep 14 2022 22:52 utc | 228

The sad truth came to light.
Ukraine in fact shelled their own dam.
Extremely disrespectful.
This was uncovered after painstaking investigation by Bellingcat found Russian missiles could not be responsible, as they had a 99% fail rate, and ran out on the 6th of April.

It’s a serious matter, but LOL 😀 , that is a winning comment.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2022 5:55 utc | 289

@ZX | Sep 14 2022 23:31 utc | 233

There is no win condition for the West from here. The entire Ukrainian adventure is the most costly, underthought and over virtue-signalled self-inflicted disaster for the Western world after Net Zero and Covid.

So true, and it is very fitting to put the three together because they are all pieces in the same jigsaw puzzle where the oligarchic west tries to control the world and micro manage their own citizens. These things cannot be understood in isolation.
Great post ZX

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2022 6:05 utc | 290

@Tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 23:32 utc | 235

There is Something Really Evil Going on Here.

Yes.
You are good at conveying your perspective and personal experiences. I enjoy reading it even if I disagree with some of your observations.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2022 6:10 utc | 291

@ZX, sometimes in this garbage dump called the Internet there are still little gems like your posting. Thank you. You are on the right track. Now you might ask yourself, why is this happening ? How did it come to this ? Is the U.S. really so suicidal or just so dumb that they were lured into this ?
To answer that question, you might have a look at the family tree of Mr. Blinken and Mrs. Nudelman, sorry, Nuland. And you could ask yourself why a tiny, decadent island in the North Sea with shitty weather and food ruled by blathering buffoons suddenly started talking “Global Britain” around the time the fun in Ukraine started.

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 15 2022 6:10 utc | 292

@Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2022 23:55 utc | 238

SMO is a shaping operation for the self inflicted defeat of EU and NATO.

I agree with this view, it has been my opinion for some time. If you go back to the documents presented to the US and NATO last December, it is clearly written there.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2022 6:14 utc | 293

293 – Global Britain is delusional. It has been the USA’s bitch for a while and Brexit just caused it economic woe from which it is not recovering.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 15 2022 6:34 utc | 294

I’m not the least bit worried about the long-term outcome of this confrontation between the US/nato/EU and Russia – most of which is currently focused on the military operation in the Ukraine, but which also includes the continuing war in Syria, and the US occupation there of about 30% of Syria in the northeastern and the Al-Tanf areas.
fyi
a few paragraphs below taken from https://t.me/asbmil
(and found at Will Schryver’s https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/the-us-is-making-russia-incrediblyhtml )
“….But do we know who miscalculated the most? — not Europe, not NATO, but the US. The US has failed spectacularly. American economists, think-tanks and analysts have completely fallen for their own propaganda. They really believed the story of Russia being a “gas station masquerading as a country”. That was a derogatory piece of propaganda that came out from the US years ago, it stuck with them and they eventually believed it.
They expected the Russian economy to fold; completely collapse and implode. This situation has showed how bad US intelligence is inside of Russia. They truly had no idea about the sophistication of the Russian economic model. Their own country slipped into recession and their allies overseas have been pushed into what is going to be one of the biggest economic and humanitarian disasters Europe has ever seen. — all thanks to the White House and its incompetence….
….No matter how you feel about politics, nobody can deny that Lavrov and Putin are today’s sharpest minds. There’s absolutely nobody that could fold either one of them in a discussion/negotiation — and again, Russia now knows that.
In conclusion, the US is making Russia incredibly powerful— from within: which is exactly where it was missing all these years.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 15 2022 6:35 utc | 295

A most interesting development.
At the beginning of country 404 farce. All western government-owned media. This included corporate waste of space propaganda media. Proudly proclaimed all roads to Moskva are now virtually open.
What a tragedy western media has become a victim of its own propaganda!
When you believe your own propaganda. You have already lost the war!
” By evening the sound of the gunfire was miles away
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And all that I ever was able to see
The fire in the air glowing red, silhouetting the smoke on the breeze”
“The old men and children they send out to face us, they can’t slow us down
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Now it’s the end of the dream”

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 15 2022 6:39 utc | 296

It might be relevant to ask whether there is anything left presented in the Ukrainian media that isn’t a psychological projection?
The projection of Ukrainians continues to hold true.
Ukrs stealing washing machines from houses in the areas they’ve returned. Ironic.

https://twitter.com/Taurevanime/status/1570274963956850688

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2022 6:58 utc | 297

@tony_0pmoc #189
As a fellow Englishman I would say that is very accurate 🙂

Posted by: Tim | Sep 15 2022 6:59 utc | 298

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 15 2022 4:36 utc | 290

“You should pay more attention to your commenters.”

I don’t mean any disrespect P_A i usually find your posts informative and i (aye), compared to you, or P.B. am very much newbie status. However, since P.B. has been here ten years and you yourself twenty, could you explain how your above quote is relevant?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Sep 15 2022 7:07 utc | 299

Ukraine advanced in few days 6000 Square kilometres
Posted by: Falco | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 111
Even the Coke-Head-of-Kiev is only claiming 3000. Straight onto the mindless bot list for you!

Posted by: Merandor | Sep 15 2022 7:20 utc | 300