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September 14, 2022
The Kharkov Counterattack – No Big Success – No Large Defeat

The 'western' media are euphoric about the 'successful' Ukrainian counterattack in Kharkov oblast.

Ukrainian forces retake key villages as counteroffensive advances writes the Washington Post. How Ukraine Gained Momentum Against Russia and Took a Critical Hub says the New York Times. WaPo again: Intelligence points to potential turning point in Ukraine war. Ukraine News: In Reclaimed Towns, Ukrainians Recount a Frantic Russian Retreat, headlines the NYT. Is Russia on the run? asks the Economist.

All have fallen for the belief that the Ukrainian rapid advance has caused a Russian defeat. That however is not the case.

The main Russian forces had already left the area. What was left were sentry guards of the Luhansk People's Republic and a few companies of the Russian National Guard which is more or less a police force. That is why the 'western' official talking with Reuters is quite cautious with his assessment:

"There's an ongoing debate about the nature of the Russian drawdown, however it's likely that in strict military terms, this was a withdrawal, ordered and sanctioned by the general staff, rather than an outright collapse."

"Obviously, it looks really dramatic. It's a vast area of land. But we have to factor in the Russians have made some good decisions in terms of shortening their lines and making them more defensible, and sacrificing territory in order to do so," the official said, adding he did not expect Russia to immediately seek to regain lost territory.

The main Russian reason for holding onto Izium southeast of Kharkov was to use it as a springboard to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk along the M-03 highway. However over the last months several Russian attempts to cross the Siverski Donets river south and east of Izium and to establish a bridgehead on the southern side had failed.

Situation at the end of August with Izium in the upper left corner

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The Ukrainians were well established in the 'Sherwood Forest' on the southern side and had defeated all attempts to push a larger Russian forces into the area. (According to Yves Smith Alexander Mercouris had made that point and predicted a Russian withdrawal from Izium in one of his shows before the Kharkov 'counteroffensive' started.) I myself had missed that point.

The region, which is sparsely populated (Izium had a pre-war population of some 40,000), has little additional value. Russian forces that had been there shortly after the war began had been pulled out over time to rotate into other areas.

According Colonel Markus Reisner from the Austrian military the Ukraine used six full brigades (vid) in its attack. If Russian Defense Ministry numbers are halfway right the Ukrainian forces lost some 4,000+ soldiers, nearly two brigades, in the attack. These were troops that ran into areas that the Russian artillery had pre-registered. They received barrage after barrage and were destroyed.

The Russian air force caused additional damage. Hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles the 'west' had delivered to Ukraine were destroyed. Talk of large Russian material losses and of thousands of Russians taken prisoners of war are nonsense.

One Washington Post piece today cites a partisan 'open source' organization about the losses:

According to preliminary estimates from Jakub Janovsky, a military analyst and contributor to the Oryx blog tally of equipment losses, Russia lost 40 tanks, 50 infantry vehicles, 35 armored vehicles and two jets.

However other Washington Post journalists looked at the evidence:

The equipment left behind in the video amounts to about a tank company, Hodges said, which is typically outfitted with about 10 or 11 tanks.

Another video, taken along a street in central Izyum, shows a marooned 2S19 Msta self-powered howitzer. The system does not have obvious signs of being disabled.

Other pictures taken in Izyum show heavier damage to Russian military equipment, indicating they were hit in battle. One armored vehicle can be seen at a gas station in the city with bullet holes, burn marks and deflated tires.

Ukrainian forces published a video showing the husk of a TOS-1A, a multiple-rocket launcher, using its nickname “Solntsepyok.”

Given the huge areas that does not sound like large losses. British 'intelligence' claims that the 1st Guards Tank Army was destroyed in the attack are ludicrous. The 1st Guard has the equivalent of about 20 brigades with some hundred tanks and armored vehicles in each. Its units were not even in the area when the attack happened.

As Larry Johnson has laid out, planning for a withdrawal from a large area takes time. The Russian decision to let go of the Kharkov region must have been made before the Ukrainian counterattack was launched. That it was coming was known. Since mid of August the deployment map by Military Land showed strong tank formations south and west of the Izium area. The Russians had reported attacks on those and other units on a daily base. Dima of the Military Summary channel had mentioned them several times.

When the counterattack happened the Russian forces pulled back to the eastern side of the Oskol river and are now protected by it. At the southern end, near Lyman, the Siverski Donets river is used to cover the Russian forces. These are strong positions, hard to attack, that can be held by a limited force.

Current situation:

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I had expected that Russia would draw in the attacking Ukrainian forces to then cut them off. But it did not had the forces, or interest, to do so now. It had instead ordered a withdrawal. The use of artillery and air force to attack the Ukrainian forces while they were still on the roads, attacking an enemy that was no longer there, has proved to be the right decision.

Colonel Reisner, linked above, says the first 'counteroffensive' in the south against Kherson was a major failure that has cost many Ukrainian lives. Another military professional, Lt.Col.(ret) Daniel Davis agrees:

When Putin prioritized the capture of the Donbas as his primary objective, the Kremlin conducted what’s known as “economy of force” missions in the north around Kharkiv and in the south near Kherson. The intent of the Russian missions in the north and south was to use as few troops as possible to keep the UAF tied up so that they could not move more troops to the Donbas to resist Russia’s offensive there. Russia then thinned its defenses even more in late August to deploy more troops to defend against the known offensive about to start near Kherson.

The additional Russian troops in Kherson appear to have helped Moscow’s forces inflict grievous casualties on the Ukrainian attackers in the Kherson region but fatally weakened Russian defenses in the Kharkiv region.

When the Ukrainian troops shocked the Russian defenders at the start of the Kharkiv offensive, the Russians began to surrender territory quickly. They not only had few troops left in the area, but those troops were mainly volunteers. Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide, but Ukraine advanced faster than Russia could get reinforcements in place. The Russian leadership was faced with a conundrum: order its troops to contest every meter of territory in an attempt to buy time for reinforcements to arrive, or evacuate the area and preserve its manpower for future fights.

They chose the latter. Russia not only surrendered Izyum without a fight but later evacuated nearly the whole of the territory they occupied north of Kharkiv all the way to the Russian border, up to 3,000 total square kilometers back under Ukrainian control. Many in the West are hailing this move as proving Ukraine is well on its way to winning the war and might even result in the downfall of Vladimir Putin. A little context might be helpful before making such sweeping judgments.

Daniel Davis says that "Moscow began frantically sending reinforcements to try and stem the tide". He must refer to the video, released by the Russians, that showed armored air-mobile forces landing in huge Mi-26 helicopters. But Colonel Reisner says that those helicopters landed east of the Oskol river. The troops they carried never went into battle in the Kharkov region. The helicopter video was a deception as there was nothing left in the Kharkov region to reinforce.

Davis concludes:

Ukraine has likely expended the majority of its striking power in these twin offensives, suffered many casualties, and will require considerable replenishment and replacements before being able to go much further (there are reports that a smaller Ukrainian attack may be in the offing for Ugledar [southwest of Donetsk] but as of this writing none has materialized).

I also still expect another Ukrainian attack in southern Donbas region. But the Russian forces there were reportedly reinforced by the new 3rd Russian corps. Those are some 30-50,000 Russian veterans called up to form a new formation. They will likely be able to withstand anything the Ukraine can throw against them.

Adding:

Yves just published a writeup on the more political side of things. Scholz continues to be one of the dimmest guys in this game:

Olaf Scholz and Vladimir Putin Talk Past Each Other as Ukraine Pushes for Formalizing Ukraine’s NATO Lite Status

Comments

js@84
Stinging coda paragraph to put a bit of dressing on your quotation from Larch. Good job.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2022 16:50 utc | 101

As Yves Smith noted, anyone listening to Mercouris’ daily updates last week would have been aware of the Russian situation in Kharkov and that the troop pullback was not unexpected or surprising. It was also obvious that the Ukraine side was “in the market”, big-time, for any sort of propaganda victory. The accompanying flood of triumphalist messaging, both in the corporate media and the commentariot spaces, was fascinating to witness. Controlling the information space – controlling the optics – is very important to the NATO alliance, but after a point these information programs are directed mostly at their own populations, and the current optics – as the contours of the struggle widen to Asia and the PRC – can’t escape the notion that the northern hemisphere Caucasians are making their last stand for privilege against the ROW.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 14 2022 16:51 utc | 102

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Sep 14 2022 14:39 utc | 13
You paint a picture about the current situation akin to “one can take a horse to the water but one cant force him to drink”. Ukrainians were given all chances to change their ways but they just stubbornly dont do it. Now the SMO which counted on it is going nowhere.
This is indeed a fundamental weakness of Russia’s affairs vs the West: they have a very rudimentary skill at narrative engineering and sentiment control. They dont invest in it because it is evil of course.
There is an even deeper ideological divide that I gleam from this: the West accepts human traits (e.g. greed, violence, competition, irresponsible liberty) that are morally offensive and tries to live with them, incorporating them in society as best as they can. Its their philosophy. The survival of the fittest, less important how exactly. This brings advantages to some types of people and disadvantages to others (most of us here at MoA). The Russians try to keep those traits subdued and reject them morally.
The position in your arguments is similar to the following: physical force vs. somewhat lesser force+narrative. Which wins the game at the end?
Well, if we can define what “end” means. That is also a weakness for Russia because even if they win physically at a certain moment, they can lose later to the narrative which shall probably remain. That was also an original goal of the SMO: denazification which actually means ending a narrative. How? With physical force? This just makes it stronger.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 14 2022 16:52 utc | 103

Who cares if it was controlled or rushed retreat?? Who cares if 1,000 ukros are being killed a day? That still doesnt change the fact that Russia is outnumbered 1-5 on the field. And that now the Ukranian moves are being planned and acted from NATO generals in Poland and Germany. And that Ujraine now has probably top 5 artillery force in the world.
Unless Russia changes this drastically by commiting at leask 50k to 100k troops more. Nothing will change.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2022 16:54 utc | 104

@88 Not hard to understand Pancho. Anybody who disagrees with Ben Wallace gets the boot.

Posted by: dh | Sep 14 2022 16:55 utc | 105

If I were the West I wouldn’t rush to remove Putin as he is more likely to be replaced by someone even less to their taste than Putin is. The West lucked out with Gorbachev and Yeltsin but probably will not get anyone equally pliant. It’s kind of a mirror of the situation with Ukraine – taking out Zelensky would not solve Russia’s problem as he would probably not be replaced by anyone more accommodating.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 14 2022 16:57 utc | 106

Pat Bateman raises many important questions, which I have been trying to formulate as well.
We have absolutely no idea where this is going and it doesn’t look good from an anti-imperialist perspective.
We know Putin’s original goals: demilitarization, de-Nazification, liberating Donbas republics, and protecting Crimea through a land bridge.
Phase 1 involved the Kiev deception or pinning operation, so that Mariupol could be taken and the Nazis killed there. Kherson was also taken bloodlessly. Negotiations took place on Putin’s demands, but the US and UK sabotaged them. They want to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia by dragging out the conflict endlessly, knowing that Russia doesn’t have the forces or desire to take the whole country and that there will still be some kind of “Ukraine” left to turn into a NATO protectorate, with missiles aimed at Moscow and Putin humiliated and replaced domestically. That is their plan.
We thought that the SMO was effectively demilitarizing Ukraine and draining the West. Phase 2 was the grinding artillery war around Donbas. After slow but definite progress, this aspect of the SMO completely bogged down, partly because of the nature of the built environment there, Ukraine’s defenses, and Russian concerns about civilian casualties.
Moreover, Ukraine seems able to keep sending men to die in the trenches and fields and the US and NATO keep escalating their weapons supplies.
Ukraine and NATO are emboldened by the recent offensive, which showed that Russia doesn’t have the manpower to take and hold the territory beyond the new fronts. Indeed, how is demilitarization going if Ukraine can assemble thousands of troops to take territory? (I am aware that the opposite occurred in Kherson, where Ukraine was defeated.)
So, are we stuck in a forever grind to see who can last longer? If Russia can’t demilitarize Ukraine or even liberate the Donbas, then how will it prevent a strategic failure, namely, “Ukraine” becoming a de facto extension of NATO, with all sorts of weapons pointed at Russia?
And that in fact was the news today — Ukraine wants “security guarantees” from the US while working towards NATO membership in the future. Medvedev responded by saying that this will lead to nuclear war, which will mean the end of humanity.
Everyone needs to read the recent academic paper on the environmental consequences of even a limited nuclear war. Global agriculture will collapse and no one will survive.

Posted by: wilbur | Sep 14 2022 16:58 utc | 107

good article today from indian punchline
Ukraine sliding into a real war
@ v… i thought that post your responded to was good for a laugh and nothing more…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 16:58 utc | 108

Two US military ships full of US marines berthed in Poland, “The American ships USS Gunston Hall and USS Kearsarge dock at the ports of the Tricity (GdanskGdynia Sopot). Each ship can carry over 400 marines.
https://ria.ru/20220914/ssha-1816741042.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 14 2022 16:58 utc | 109

One thing I’ve noted amongst those infested with western train of thought, in comments and commenters like Scott Ritter and others. You all over inflate the might of NATO or US military. Case in point, every Ukrop success is due to western weapons on Ritter’s latest B.S about “NATO manned by Ukrops” whatever that means. Similarly, I keep reading in comments that NATO might directly be involved in the war, like the Russians are scared of NATO. Has its been stated, in order for NATO (U.S) to defeat the Russians in war, they will have to go nuclear, the U.S command knows this fact, so does all the supposed NATO forces you lots have in mind. There is a reason they haven’t gotten involved in this war directly, they CANNOT WIN IT, they know they will be defeated, so stop with hopelessness. Irrespective of what the western media prints about the Russian military, the top military brass of NATO knows what time it is.

Posted by: AntiLogic | Sep 14 2022 16:59 utc | 110

You can try to dress up facts, you know.
Intelslava news
Russia advanced another 100 meters direction of Bahkmut.
Since six months they re trying to advance in this direction…..
Ukraine advanced in few days 6000 Square kilometres

Posted by: Falco | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 111

the pair@97
Bringing up the subject of winter and noting that the Russians are well prepared for their natural element while the Ukies are currently begging for winter gear from their $ponsor$. Telling observation.
General Winter has been more powerful for Russian interests than Suvorov, Potemkin, Chuikov or even Zhukov. They thrive in those conditions. Just today finished reading an article on how Russia was defeating the Germans in WWII, by using improvisation to the max and utilizing their elite units in very measured situations. Article was by Harrison Salisbury in a wartime issue of Colliers magazine.
As Europe hungers and freezes in the dark and Ukies and Western mercenaries cower in their concrete bunkers; well equipped Russians and allies will keep pushing. Liberation is soon coming to all Russian majority populations in the Frankenstein Monster which is the presently constituted ex Ukraine SSR.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 112

90% of this criticism could be equally or better applied to Russia.
Maybe try to create a culture that is better than the West in some measurable way before trying to kill it. – Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 14 2022 16:47 utc | 96

All of it applies to the US.
Maybe we should try to fix our own culture instead of destroying lives and draining resources killing others.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 113

90% of this criticism could be equally or better applied to Russia.
Maybe try to create a culture that is better than the West in some measurable way before trying to kill it. – Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 14 2022 16:47 utc | 96

All of it applies to the US.
Maybe we should try to fix our own culture instead of destroying lives and draining resources killing others.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 114

People employed making weapons won’t complain. Nor will Raytheon stockholders.
Posted by: dh | Sep 14 2022 16:32 utc | 81
LOL. You’re forgetting all those people who will lose out, and particularly lose the resources going into their sector. The militarists already put into the MIC as much as they can convince the government to pay. Any more implies a radical change.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 14 2022 17:01 utc | 115

@ wilbur | Sep 14 2022 16:58 utc | 106
“russia doesn’t have the manpower’… you are very wrong in this quote… i find it amazing the assumptions that get made in general at moa…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 17:01 utc | 116

Without Russia drastically upgrading its SMO to something much bigger, the NATO alliance is lacking in a casus belli to peddle to its voters and its media as grounds for providing unprecedented, drastically game changing, levels of support to Ukraine before winter arrives.
And that worries the NATO alliance, partly because they are a chain dependent on their weaker links, and the physical and economic suffering that winter will bring is going to cause a roiling within NATO countries.
Rather than suffer political and personal suicide, the leadership of weakest link NATO/EU countries might signal that they have to have at least a partial end to the sanctions, even if that was tantamount to undermining Ukraine’s position, and making it look more likely that they will have to make big concessions to Russia and its allies.
If the advances that the AFU has made are slowly ground away, while Allied forces make incremental progress elsewhere, and defend against further AFU incursions, then I can see a lot of bitterness towards this conflict being openly expressed in the nations that will be starting to suffer the most from Russia being sanctioned, as winter temperatures begin being felt.
“Success has many parents, failure is an orphan.”
Zelenskyy and Ukraine could start to feel themself getting ghosted once the pain of supporting them becomes unpopular. Their defeats will be their defeats, and they’ll start getting little more than dumb looks and meaningless encouragement from their former backers.
I was watching Paths of Glory again, and (spoiler alert) it’s priceless near the end when the French General played by George Macready is wished “good luck” by his superior, who is played by Adolphe Menjou. Lol, talk about someone cutting their losses!

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 14 2022 17:02 utc | 117

103 – I am not a great Patton admirer, but despite being associated with armoured warfare, he actually said it was infantry that “winkles the other bastard out of his foxhole and gets him to sign the peace treaty”. The Russians will have to commit more infantry.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 14 2022 17:02 utc | 118

@ DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 112
now there is a novel thought!!! too bad more americans can’t put 2 and 2 together.. fortunately a few can! same deal here in canada…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 17:04 utc | 119

aristodemos | Sep 14 2022 16:42 utc | 89
“The Russians were able to rescue something like 10,000, mostly from Izyum itself.”
You’re the latest to exhibit this callousness toward Russian civilians. I say again I’d like to see you driven from your home at a moment’s notice by those you had welcomed as “liberators”, and where you knew full well that your former liberators had the military ability to hold their ground but for purely political reasons were retreating.
“Perhaps you overlooked that simple fact in your enthusiastic trolling.”
A snowflake is someone who finds disagreement so incomprehensible and intolerable that you’re reduced to name-calling of anyone who disagrees as a “troll”.
But I’d say it’s your unfalsifiable Putin-celebrity-worship which is most harmful to whatever cause dissidents have within the empire.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 14 2022 17:07 utc | 120

Posted by: mk | Sep 14 2022 16:17 utc | 66
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You have to know that in Germany the public prosecutor’s office does not investigate on its own initiative and opinion!
Like possibly in France?
In Germany, the public prosecutor’s office is subordinate to the Minister of Justice! And determined ONLY if this minister gives his OK or gives the order !!!
This ministry is controlled by CIA / MI6 like every one !!!
Minister of Justice in Germany is Dr. Marco Buschmann (FDP) FTP = armaments industry!
What’s more, it’s obvious that Chancellor Scholz is now jumping like FTP = wants even more weapons!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 14 2022 17:09 utc | 121

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2022 16:27 utc | 77
You are the sort of person who won’t entertain any analysis that does not confirm what you deeply desire to be true.
It is not only NATOstans and neoliberals who fall prey to this temptation.
I have commented at this blog long enough–several years now–not to be bothered by your name calling.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 14 2022 17:09 utc | 122

@Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 14 2022 17:00 utc | 112
Sounds nice, but, just like Russia, the US loves getting involved in wars. This just happens to be the first just war that we’ve fought in 50 years. Also, probably the first war we’re going to “win” in 50 years, since for once we’re not the occupiers.

Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 14 2022 17:12 utc | 123

b states, there were no significant losses on the battle field. May be, may be not, don’t know.
However, on the propaganda field this appears to be a significant defeat.
Outcome of this defeat:
– Russia looks weak, and the Russians don’t like to look weak -> double down, more man power, even mobilization, even war.
– the West feels encouraged -> more weapons etc
Corollary: If this was a ‘tactical’ defeat, it’s a kind of Pearl Harbour move.

Posted by: Linus | Sep 14 2022 17:15 utc | 124

Drama Oueen mania this place over the last couple weeks. Content to just sit back and watch Russia continue to grind away at the Ruling class and its masters. The more US propaganda I see the more inept I believe my government(us)is(if thats possible). Not worried for Russia or any of their allies as the song remains the same. US on the other hand is a different story. But then Ive been waiting for the other shoe to drop for decades and here it comes. Interesting times. Wish I was in my thirties.

Posted by: so | Sep 14 2022 17:17 utc | 125

There’s an interesting post AtomicCherry concerning the reasons for the success of the Ukranian offensive.
I think AtomicCherry is an old-school ex-soviet miltary guy (from reading his posts) and seems to give a clear, sober, realistic view of some aspects of the military situation. I’ve never seen him comment politically – at least not directly.
But, in summary, his views (overall) seem to me to be:
1) the current RF forces are *not* the old Soviet army.
2) there is no other army than the one the RF has in Ukraine – there are no secret weapons or hidden reserves waiting to go in. Mobilization will not help.
3) the US ‘lend-lease’, as he calls it, is only getting properly under way now – and will eventually have a huge effect – ‘a flywheel just getting started’ in his words.
4) an army is much more than guns and tanks – it’s the people.
Reading between the lines of his posts (he doesn’t post often, but when he does they are always well thought out and argued – at least from a military point of view) he doesn’t think very much of the current SMO, the RF army and the military leadership. But I may be doing him an injustice here – I simply don’t know.
The last paragraph of the current article reads:
“Summarizing, we can say that the Kharkov-Izyum offensive operation was an example of the implementation of the doctrine of lightning war in its classical interpretation
– the central driving force of the process was not iron and firepower, but people;
their initiative, intellect, training, aggressiveness and motivation – in a word, all those virtues that the leading military schools in their time brought up.”

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 17:19 utc | 126

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 17:19 utc | 125
Nice try at PSYOP, but epic fail

Posted by: Exile | Sep 14 2022 17:28 utc | 127

Reply to republicofscotland@21, soon NATO pilots will be flying for Ukraine. I think NATO pilots are too smart for that suicide mission. I read an article several days ago that the US had hired pilots trained by them in Afghanistan. There you go. Afghan pilots are dumb enough to try it for the big bucks.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 14 2022 17:30 utc | 128

Please allow me to be a bit frivolous especially in the midst of very well thought and expressed points of view, I would compare East and West with this two videos that probably many have seen, one of them is the new king showing his absolute contempt for everybody, the other one, the so called last dictator of Europe trolling Europeans, with a special swing at the Polish leadership. Enjoy the contrast, but for me it is real, a faulty fountain pen should be substituted by a shovel so as to justify at least one breakfast of that long and useless 70+ years life.
https://youtu.be/oUWcyqOm8AY
https://t.me/pul_1/6705

Posted by: Paco | Sep 14 2022 17:37 utc | 129

Longtrail | Sep 14 2022 15:48 utc | 45
Pat Bateman | Sep 14 2022 14:39 utc | 13
J | Sep 14 2022 15:11 utc | 30
AltAlias | Sep 14 2022 15:57 utc | 50
Observer | Sep 14 2022 15:57 utc | 51
moaobserver | Sep 14 2022 16:02 utc | 53
joseph king | Sep 14 2022 16:23 utc | 71
Your slips are showing, my dears.

Posted by: donten | Sep 14 2022 17:41 utc | 130

@Flying Dutchman #78
You really are a moron.
Russian troops are moving back and forth via truck and rail, just as they have been.
Once again: point me to some proof of significant Russian/LDPR losses in this “counteroffensive”.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 14 2022 17:42 utc | 131

In the US, when the government declares an organization to be terrorist, no one may contribute to that organization. They will be prosecuted and assets seized. So, if Russia declares their SMO to now become an anti terror operation, does that mean no country may contribute to Ukraine? Anything? Just wondering.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 14 2022 17:42 utc | 132

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 17:19 utc | 125
Omg John, that was some really “clear, sober, realistic” Hollywood bullshit there.
As for propaganda, Naked Capitalism had an interesting reading of the Scholtz-Putin phone call. Yves Smith suggests that Scholtz bought the propaganda and figured he was in a position of strength.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/olaf-scholz-and-vladimir-putin-talk-past-each-other-as-nato-moves-towards-formalizing-ukraines-nato-lite-status.html
WH John Kirby on the other hand cautiously “warns of ‘Putin’s military potential’” after the Ukraine offensive (Rt 13/9).
This may confirm something I have often suspected. The vassal states have no independent intelligence services anymore, but they are all fed the CIA bullshit, political leaders and intelligence officers alike. Intelligence officers who don’t buy it are out of a job. Possibly France is an exception.
The White House itself may still get some proper analysis, at least from the military intelligence, but the European leaders are not only selected for stupidity but blindfold.

Posted by: veto | Sep 14 2022 17:47 utc | 133

@Leroy sure thats the case.
But remember in Syria this same scenario played out. Al Qaeda terrorists were funded and armed by West. So it wont be anything new.
I think Russia would do the terrorism thing mainly to be able to be able to use any resource at their disposal towards this war.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2022 17:49 utc | 134

c1ue | Sep 14 2022 17:42 utc | 130
“@Flying Dutchman #78
You really are a moron.
Russian troops are moving back and forth via truck and rail, just as they have been.”

I asked, of course, how the Ukrainians can concentrate troops and material if the Russians have air supremacy and therefore the ability to observe and smash all concentrations at will.
Since you’re incapable of answering this with anything but childish name-calling, it looks like you’re the moron.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 14 2022 17:54 utc | 135

donten @ 129
Slips about what? My post was an honest commentary. Off topic to the article, I know. But not many places to talk to people about this

Posted by: AltAlias | Sep 14 2022 17:58 utc | 136

james@75
Has anyone pointed out that Anne Applebaum is the wife of the former Polish Foreign Minister and
Oxford educated russophobe Sikorski?
That and the fact that she is one of the most prominent neo-con, anti-communist propagandists in the United states.
Her views on anything to do with Russia or Ukraine are utterly worthless- like her husband and her sad self.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 17:59 utc | 137

@ Posted by: Paco | Sep 14 2022 17:37 utc | 128
As much as I enjoyed the insight into Charles true temperament, I was equally unimpressed with Lukashenko’s wood splitting skills. There is no way he and his colleague chopped all that wood in the pile in the foreground.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 17:59 utc | 138

Today seems to be the day of justification. ))))
Who is interested why and how Russia retreated?
Yesterday Bayern Munich has won vs Barcelona 2:0
Spanish MSM complaining Barcelona was the better team. ….
Who is interested how and why Barcelona has lost?
Who is interested how and why Bayern Munich score 2 goals?
Only what matters is the result!

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 14 2022 18:04 utc | 139

A transcript might appear soon, “the cook” Prigozhin haranguing some Russian detention center’s inmates, in half a year you’re out if you join the Orchestra. Which bring us back to how effective western propaganda has been by painting Stalin as the top evil among the evilest ones. Well thanks to Beria -another one Hollywood has worked on quite successfully- Russia has innumerable nukes, thanks to Stalin all the losses of the Russian empire were recovered and extended, so here we are again applying old Koba’s methods, the penal battalion.
Here Vysotsky sings to the penal battalions
https://youtu.be/sQGpqVeUVq8
And here Prigozhin cooking.
https://t.me/opersvodki/8743

Posted by: Paco | Sep 14 2022 18:04 utc | 140

“…Much more likely IMO is economic collapse coupled with intensification of Police States.”
Ross@41
In a word: fascism.
I agree, the process is so smooth that it is obvious that it is a reversion to type. Every one of the EU countries was at one stage or another fanatically anti-Soviet and governed by fascists. The UK was very close and doesn’t look as if it will miss out this time.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 18:05 utc | 141

Great post. That puts down certain myths about the Kharkiv offensive.
The western mainstream media going berserk about this makes sense now. It’s a pitch to send more money to Ukraine and prolong the conflict.
One more thing remains. What the hell happened to Gonzalo Lira? He’s in Kharkiv (or so we’re told in his podcasts). Was he bombed? Shelled? Power outage, sitting in the dark with no internet? The SBU finally said “off with his head”?

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Sep 14 2022 18:05 utc | 142

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 14 2022 17:54 utc | 134
My understanding is that the Russians enjoy tactical air superiority on front line with low-flying SUs and helicopters; but Ukraine still possesses sufficient air defenses to pose a problem for massive elevated bombing campaigns. Russia has since the start of the conflict been very careful in their use of their air force.
Ukraine basically possesses no air support at all, of course, which poses a big problem for their advances. They have been able to overcome this by the use of sheer numbers. I think they will continue to do so.
I expect another major push by NATO/Ukraine in next day or two days either toward Zapo power plant or towards Mariupol.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143

I have a question for all of you. Not trading with Russia is entirely a decision any country can take. But stealing Russian reserves is entirely different. Why does Russia not escalate and say you have 3 days to return our stuff?

Posted by: First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 144

My take is this may be a strategic op for russ:
I’ve heard ukr reduced garrisons in Kharkov/Odessa to raise this force, and now russ took out electric needed for railroads, and also the rails, so no transport to move them out, particularly back to the distant south. Ukr losing Odessa would end nato dream of Black Sea base, maybe reducing their interest in war.
And the ukr force is maybe stuck in their cul-de-sac, stopped by the river, attrition here in the open without fortifications will be more rapid than otherwise.
Just my spec.

Posted by: John k | Sep 14 2022 18:08 utc | 145

the process is so smooth that it is obvious that it is a reversion to type. Every one of the EU countries was at one stage or another fanatically anti-Soviet and governed by fascists. The UK was very close and doesn’t look as if it will miss out this time.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 18:05 utc | 140
Very astute comment.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 14 2022 18:09 utc | 146

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 17:01 utc | 115
the person you are replying to may be a troll, but Ritter agrees that, effectively, they don’t have the manpower to accomplish all the goals of the SMO because of the fact that NATO is now running the army. he predicts something like a stalemate, if i read him correctly, until Russia can get more volunteers trained and to Ukraine, or until it mobilizes more, which has a political dimension. he also says winter will stop any ukrainian offenses, and that there may be a sea change in EU nation leaders due to massive cost increases to the populace.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 14 2022 18:09 utc | 147

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 17:59 utc | 137
If you enjoy servitude that’s fine with me, enjoy the degenerate, just the right “person” -I have to call him something- for the state of that former empire, concerning Luka skills at chopping wood, I do not doubt them, a kolkhoznik whose holidays are taking care of potatoes is a lot closer to me than some retarded with “temperament” who got shit on his hand ’cause he does not know how to wipe his ass.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 14 2022 18:10 utc | 148

Personal opinion: it seems Russia has allocated to the Ukraine conflict the exact amount of resources Russia can afford to spend indefinitely. At these troop levels, the conflict could be maintained, even without windfall profits from gas sales.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2022 18:16 utc | 149

Quote: British ‘intelligence’ claims that the 1st Guards Tank Army was destroyed in the attack are ludicrous.
I wonder, would that be the same UK intelligence agency responsible for the creation of the Skripal and Navalny NoviHoax™ childrens’ fairy tale series?

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 14 2022 18:17 utc | 150

I might be mistaken, but doesn’t Ukraine receive nearly all of its energy supplies from Russia?
If that is true, has Russia cut them off yet? … If not, why?
PS. Seeing that Russia is crippling the electrical distribution grid, cutting off gas and oil would have an exponential effect.
Hmmm?

Posted by: Mummer | Sep 14 2022 18:17 utc | 151

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 14 2022 16:57 utc | 105
“taking out Zelensky would not solve Russia’s problem as he would probably not be replaced by anyone more accommodating.”
Its not about who will replace Zelensky or any other Ukronazi.
Its more about WE WILL TAKE YOU OUT WHEREEVER U RE NO MATTER WHO WILL REPLACE U
The message shoutd be: “Nobody of u official Nazis and nor ur family will be safe”
U think Arestovic would walk freely or drive a car in streets of Kiev?
Fear and Death will be his/ their daily companion.

Posted by: Falco | Sep 14 2022 18:18 utc | 152

Russia struck the Karachunovskaya dam to flood the Ingulets river apparently washing away the Ukies pontoon bridges. https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1570097764247261185?cxt=HHwWgsC-yaHmjcorAAAA
It looks at though Russia will be now striking civilian and dual purpose infrastructure where it is useful for the Russian side to do so.
A bridge in the area also hit. https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1570106348771151876?cxt=HHwWiMC4ofnZkcorAAAA

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2022 18:19 utc | 153

@ Pat Bateman (13)
When Dmitry Orlow proposed this broad retreat in August 2021, he was met with a massive firestorm of criticisms from Russians, but Orlow kept repeating it in the face of that criticism. AFAIK, he never repented. So Orlow is stupidly lost, FU’d or whatever, and can’t be relied on for anything anymore. Orlow is wrong for many reasons, but for those who have a small attention span, I will repeat the single biggest argument against Orlow’s proposal, which is that the Empire will not stop its attacks until Russia is fully defeated. That intransigence should have been perfectly obvious to everyone in 2014 or a little later. So the only real choice Russia has, is which battlefields it needs to fight on, and which kinds of war. Let’s not hear about Orlow any more, please.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 14 2022 18:19 utc | 154

I have a question for all of you. Not trading with Russia is entirely a decision any country can take. But stealing Russian reserves is entirely different. Why does Russia not escalate and say you have 3 days to return our stuff?
Posted by: First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143

The value of foreign holdings inside Russia that were abandoned/expropriated/nationalized are likely higher than the frozen (not yet stolen) Russian foreign reserves.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 18:23 utc | 155

What many armchair generals do not know is military history. The Soviets or Russians these days have a long history of orderly retreats, then enveloping their foe cutting them off from logistical support, then destroying them. They did it to Napoleon, Hitler and Japan. Soon Ukrain will follow suit.

Posted by: Pat Dennis | Sep 14 2022 18:23 utc | 156

Posted by: First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143
Think the question is why grand chessmaster flash didnt return all russian assets abroud before starting the Special Merkel Operation SMO?
Leaving 300 billion abroud on bank accounts in enemy nations is really champions league speaks volumes what person is leading Russia

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 18:27 utc | 157

@Exile | 126
Sorry, no PSYOP.
You can make of AtomicCherry what you will. I’ve always found him to be serious and well argued. The post was just my summary summary of what is a long sequence of blog posts going back six months. If you read them all you may come to a different conclusion: I’d be happy to read what you make of him. I’m pretty sure he’s not a Zelensky fanboy, at any rate.
As I say, he doesn’t do politics (neither do I – I simply don’t care). To me, AtomicCherry is just informed military analysis from someone who seems to have a knowledge and a background in this.

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 18:32 utc | 158

With great respect to B, this comments section is now 90% rubbish and it’s too difficult to wade through the ad hom and circularly-sourced chaff to get to the few posts with information. I’ll come back when the Atlantic Council moves on to some other pasture next week.

Posted by: TPaine | Sep 14 2022 18:32 utc | 159

I have a question for all of you. Not trading with Russia is entirely a decision any country can take. But stealing Russian reserves is entirely different. Why does Russia not escalate and say you have 3 days to return our stuff?
Posted by: First of India | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 143

Because all international dollar trade goes through US banks. From the perspective of an international transaction, a dollar is nothing more than an entry in a ledger that says an account that belongs to person X in country Y has Z dollars.
So US banks control all dollar trade. And since the US federal government regulates US banks, US federal government controls all dollar trade.
US dollar being reserve currency gives US government a disproportionately high control over the global economy and trade. Russia can threaten all it wants. But unless Russia goes through those threats (nuking every nuclear powerplant on US, so US will experience 100 Chernobyls rather than 100 Hiroshimas), there is nothing Russia can do.
That’s why Russia and China are working hard to move away from the dollar to a newer and fairer system. Many countries like BRICS++ are joining. And they’ll eventually succeed.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Sep 14 2022 18:35 utc | 160

… I think that even if North America was on a war footing, it would take years to ramp up because so many components in the bill of materials haven’t been made here for decades.

I suspect that Russia is in a better position because of previous sanctions that forced self reliance.
Posted by: PP | Sep 14 2022 16:32 utc | 82

Thanks a lot for your take on the self-inflicted degradation of western production capacity and workforce.
Definitely one to watch, assuming we live long enough for it to become a determining factor!

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 14 2022 18:36 utc | 161

Posted by: Pat Dennis | Sep 14 2022 18:23 utc | 155
Military history is a nice pastime for bored retired politicans.
we live in the present and u must always keep up with the times.
AI, Electronic Warfare, Drones, Himars, F117, Satelites, AWACS, Tomahawks, Javelin

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 18:37 utc | 162

Leaving 300 billion abroud on bank accounts in enemy nations is really champions league speaks volumes what person is leading Russia
Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 18:27 utc | 156

I trust your knowledge of chess is better than that of global finance. Please use this article as introductory step 1 and move on from there…
https://www.statista.com/chart/26940/russian-central-bank-foreign-currency-and-gold-reserves-by-holder/
By definition, foreign denominated bonds must be held in the country of issuance. True, these bonds could have been sold before the SMO and then converted to Russian ruble denominated bonds. But then Russia would have to issue the bonds to themselves and create a circular debt for money that they do not need, since they had both a budget and current account surplus.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 18:41 utc | 163

Ok, in a way, there is nothing wrong in buying ammunition from N. Korea. It actually makes sense. You are in a big conflict, with massive artillery firing. To buy ammunition is a lot faster than to mass produce them. Plus, N. Korea being as miserable as it is, as incredible as this may sound, it might actually be cheaper to buy it than to produce it.
In the other hand, this move will always signal a worrying prospect.
I do hope Russia has absolutely no problems with stock and production and is only taking the rational measures for the reasons I have mentioned…unlike the case with Iranian drones, as the shortcomings of the drone industry is a well recognized problem of Russian military.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 14 2022 18:43 utc | 164

Multiple dams on the Inulets have been taken out. The city of Krivoy Rog is now flooding. Also power hit, so in the dark.
Cruise strikes in Zap area

Posted by: Mary | Sep 14 2022 18:49 utc | 165

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 18:41 utc | 162
Ok my global finance knowledge is not worth mentioning.
But my human instict says if there is a problem save first ur assets no matter bonds, cars, cash,….
Better i shreeder my assets on my own before US or Ukraine confiscating and using them against me.
I mean therefore i must not be a chessmaster 😉

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 18:50 utc | 166

@ Paco | Sep 14 2022 17:37 utc | 128
good comparison via the videos paco! thanks…
@ bevin | Sep 14 2022 17:59 utc | 136
no one pointed out annie applepants long sordid history.. i thought i would spare the board the angst!
@ Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 17:59 utc | 137
all is a days work.. i have done that much many times…. it ain’t that much wood…maybe a cord or 2 max…
@ pretzelattack | Sep 14 2022 18:09 utc | 146
thanks.. my take… russia is not going all in here… in fact it is the opposite… now whether this is a well thought out game plan – i tend to think it is, but it is all speculation on our part… my impression is that if russia wanted to, things could be very different here… also – my take – most folks who criticize russia don’t have a clue on what their game plan is… i include myself in that observation..
@ TPaine | Sep 14 2022 18:32 utc | 158
it’s true there is a lot more folks posting and a lot of it is crap…. however b is only one guy running this, so you will have to learn how to skip over posts of be selective in your reading..

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 18:50 utc | 167

Zelensky visited Izjum.
And what?
Russian army siting on potty????
This is becoming a farce…

Posted by: preseren3 | Sep 14 2022 18:55 utc | 168

jayc | Sep 14 2022 16:51 utc | 101
As you say, Ukraine and its controllers needed a win to boost morale. A public defeat of that Ukie force would have lowered morale even further. Russia knew the offensive was coming and chose to pull out when Ukraine attacked. Why? It has given the Ukraine forces morale a boost and those sanctioning Russia are more determined than ever thinking they now have Russia on the back foot.
To me it seems Russia wants the sanctions and NATO backing of Ukraine to continue. It could have been a mess up somewhere but in all the conflicts since Putin came to power – 2nd Chechen war, Georgia, Crimea, Syria there have been no bad military mistakes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2022 19:00 utc | 169

The problem with Muh Glorious Kharkov Counteroffensive is that it lets western politicians say that sure, this winter will be rough, people will die, but if we keep pumping money and weapons and training and cover, 2023 will belong to Ukraine.
Russia needs to take steps to disabuse these politicans.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Sep 14 2022 19:02 utc | 170

So, in this circumstances, Putin can visit Donjeck.
No danger for him, in this farce?
Looks like some Mexican, Turkje shows, which bored housewifes follow every day….
Under other news I read today, that RF army defeated ukro army in this area..
So, what is going on?

Posted by: preseren3 | Sep 14 2022 19:09 utc | 171

“What was left were sentry guards of the Luhansk People’s Republic and a few companies of the Russian National Guard”
And yet same article argues that they show a captured TOS-1A. If true, this is evidence NBC Protection Troops were stationed. Very unlikely these were embedded with National Guard or LPR forces. It means RAF was still there and not got this and other equipment out on time. Might have been a reason for it but it adds to the pile of evidence that the retreat was not timely prepaired. It was a calculated scenario for sure but all indications are there that it was hastely executed. It’s war of logistics now, how fast one can move troops & gear around. Source from NATO described they noticed a weakness here to exploit. It’s no secret.

Posted by: John Dowser | Sep 14 2022 19:09 utc | 172

what is no secret is it is a russia verses nato war… and we have a lot of drama queens at moa today…

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 19:11 utc | 173

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2022 18:50 utc | 167
I don’t think it’s going all in, but if Ritter’s analysis and information is correct (in this fog, always an “if”) I think it is ramping up to meet the ramping up by NATO. NATO is running the war in a way that it hasn’t before (a NATO army manned by Ukrainians–Ritter) and better trained soldiers (they bought time to do this by feeding low skilled conscripts into the meatgrinder, something Russia is not willing to do). He think the war will be more or less a stalemate over the winter, but meanwhile european countries will become increasingly hostile to paying higher prices for everything, especially energy, and this may result in a NATO alliance that is less compliant with the US. He thinks Russia will win, but for the first time I am aware of qualified it as “not certain”.
I think the time advantages lie with Russia and China and the global south, the sanctions have hurt the US and NATO far more than they have hurt Russia. I see the US as desperately hanging on to it’s unipower status, and is irrational on the subject–the leadership class views a Russian victory as an existential crisis, and are willing to bring the rest of us to a nuclear war to save its power and wealth. So I think Russia is trying to thread the needle and achieve the goals of the SMO without provoking the crazy old tyrant into a panic nuclear attack. Ukraine seems to be the fulcrum of the whole struggle.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 14 2022 19:19 utc | 174

Looks like the Russians are definitely taking the gloves off to some extent, they destroyed the dam at Krivoy Rog (also named Kryvyi Rih) north east of Kherson. This:
– Raises the Inhulets River a number of metres, including where the Ukies have their pontoon bridges downstream – they have been wiped away and new ones won’t be able to be built until the flow rate reduces (at least days to drain the reservoir?)
– Causes chaos generally by flooding areas, cutting off roads etc.
Looks like the Russians will now crush the cutoff Inhulets bridgehead, a very costly lesson for the Ukies. A nice chess move by the Russians.
Video of the destroyed dam and downstream impacts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcnf8o7IQgA
Military Summary channel covers this a bit in his coverage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsG39R0YFBI

Posted by: Roger | Sep 14 2022 19:25 utc | 175

Posted by: Roger | Sep 14 2022 19:25 utc | 175
A secondary thing about disabling electricity generation is that considering EU and UA electric grids are connected, it actually turns UA into a net importer, sucking in electricity from EU. That’s a detrimental decision to take for EU which will make things a lot worse. Of course the battle field utility is the obvious one.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2022 19:30 utc | 176

@Boo | Sep 14 2022 18:41 utc | 163
Yup. It’s a bit sad that many if the posts here are name calling, or conspiracy theory, or just simply weird. Or all three.
It would be nice occasionally to read posts that start with “good point, but I think you are wrong because …”.
I come here because I get an alternative point of view (I rarely post, because I don’t have any detailed knowledge of most of the matters under discussion). I enjoy b’s posts not because I agree with them – mainly don’t – but because they present a point of view not seen in the MSM and he has the honesty to admit he’s wrong on occasion. I remain particularly fond of b’s post (some time ago now) “The Ukrainian Army is finished”.
AtomicCherry is a good example – whether you agree with him or not – of a calm well argued analysis of the situation from somebody who seems to know what he’s talking about. It would be nice if MoA has a few more people like him – on whatever side of the argument.
But then pigs might fly.

Posted by: John Nequaquam | Sep 14 2022 19:35 utc | 177

“The problem with Muh Glorious Kharkov Counteroffensive is that it lets western politicians say that sure, this winter will be rough, people will die, but if we keep pumping money and weapons and training and cover, 2023 will belong to Ukraine.
Russia needs to take steps to disabuse these politicians.” Feral Finster@170
Why?
Why should Russia care what public opinion in the NATO lands thinks? Nobody cares. NATO governments don’t care what the public thinks (It doesn’t). Pumping weapons into Ukraine did not require the permission of the people of Europe or the USA. And how would they have stopped it if they had objected?
From the Russian point of view the only opinion that counts is domestic- and with one of the lower per capita defence budgets in the world Russia specialises in economy campaigning- and that of wobbly allies/associates. All the signs are that nobody outside of NATO believes its claims, Zelensky is known to be a third rate con man, and billions of people are crossing their fingers and praying that the mighty empire is collapsing.
If the USA and UK were to slip under the ocean the world would manage its grief with little difficulty.
The battle for public opinion in the West is of no importance. It might become important if the shock of precipitously declining living standards and mass unemployment led to the emergence of public questioning of the charlatans ruling them. That could happen and, if it does, Russia would be well advised to engage in constructive dialogue with the plain people of NATOland.
Until then- who cares what the media has to say; one thing that people do understand is that if the BBC or the New York Times, The Guardian, Die Welt or Le Monde call Ukraine a bastion of democracy and a haven for freedom, it is a sure bet that the place is run by kleptocrats, all political debate is closed down, workers have no rights and wages less than subsistence levels and the land is lousy with death squads and assassins. Oh, and governments which can’t afford to repair potholes in the roads or repair sewers leaking into the reservoirs will be borrowing billions to finance the horrors.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 19:38 utc | 178

Better i shreeder my assets on my own before US or Ukraine confiscating and using them against me.
Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 18:50 utc | 166

To repeat my initial response to First of India, the Foreign Reserve assets are not stolen or confiscated. They are frozen, meaning Russia cannot trade or access them until they are unfrozen.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 19:49 utc | 180

Felix Abt has an excellent, and lengthy article on public opinion in Asia.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/14/most-of-asia-is-on-the-side-of-china-and-not-the-u-s-in-growing-conflict/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 19:57 utc | 181

Saw this big headline yesterday (AM for me) from CNN online amongst all the preening about a Ukrainian victory:
“Ukrainians on Russian Forces ‘They lived like pigs'”
This isn’t xenophobia but outright racism. Like 1930’s vintage. Apparently instead of hiding the inner Azov, the media is embracing it. What next, MSM organizes two minute online hate sessions a la 1984.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y
I am sure people have seen worse, but a bit surprised a major outlet would resort to it. Just shows the level of hatred which will justify more and more dangerous levels of violence against Russia and Russians.

Posted by: Erelis | Sep 14 2022 19:58 utc | 182

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 19:49 utc | 180
.
No more frozen?
Like the wealth of the Afkans?
What did the US do with giving back or at least freezing and reserving?
NO… they distribute it to whomever!
Zelenski demanded the fortune sc…

Posted by: Mo3.1 | Sep 14 2022 19:58 utc | 183

@79 Stonebird: Accurate & precise, and even economical. An SMO of sorts. 🙂

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 14 2022 19:59 utc | 184

The strikes on the Pershyy Stavok at Krivoy Rog suggest an attempt to sever the city from Nikopol, which is a base of attack against the NPP at Enerhodar. Portions of highway 23 in Krivoy Rog are now underwater. The highway still connects Nikopol to Zaporozhye via highway 8 over the river Dnipro.

Posted by: pietre | Sep 14 2022 19:59 utc | 185

Posted by: js | Sep 14 2022 16:35 utc | 84
Should just say that that commenter, Larch445 (previously Larchmonter) does know what he’s talking about. He’s well up on a vast amount of detail. Have read him for years and have always found what he says checks out.
So that brief account you refer to has a lot behind it. I read it and thought it a superb run through of the approach informing the SMO.
Just one thought. Now that NATO’s coming in stronger will that approach still hold?
Posted by: WJ | Sep 14 2022 15:45 utc | 42
“3. We cannot be certain about how the energy crisis will unfold in Europe. Clearly some people are betting that it will be manageable.”
It’ll be managed somehow. Not much choice. The real significance of the sanctions war Scholz has engaged in is not so much that. It’s that the only really successful large industrial economy in the West has, long term, deprived itself of two crucial advantages. It’s cut itself off from a part of the world market, and maybe a large part. It’s cut itself off from the ultra-cheap energy that it relied on to remain competitive.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 14 2022 20:03 utc | 186

Holly shitfest Batman!
Couple of points.
1. I suggested many days ago that the Ukrops advance and Russian retreat looked more like the Rumble in the Jungle than a killer blow! I’ll repeat it
‘As the stew cooks, can’t rush a decent slow cooked dish y’know, let me put this here to give a different perspective.
Ask yourself the question in this SMO – who is Foreman and who is Ali ?
To help your cogitation, here is a masterful article to inform your choice, by Michael Ezra.
Ask people about Muhammad Ali’s 1974 fight with George Foreman and you very well may hear that Ali scored a dramatic victory by backing against the ropes, weathering a brutal battering, and then delivering a sudden knockout. They’d be wrong, though, because what really happened was that Ali whipped Foreman comprehensively from start to finish. Throughout the whole fight, even in the rounds where he barely moved his feet, Ali landed more meaningful punches than he took. Whenever Foreman mounted an offensive, Ali jack-knifed him by grabbing then yanking the back of Foreman’s head and neck, an illegal tactic that went unpunished and gave Foreman almost no chance to win the bout at any time. It was a blowout.
Does it help?
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 9 2022 12:39 utc | 92’
2. I also suggested that a lot of the media bullshit is about stopping the Collective Waste from looking at the new multipolar order taking MainStage in Samarkand in the next few days.
The Shanghai Cooperative Organisation is 25 years old and now maturing into the ONLY lawful , economic, financial solution for the Human Condition. The West is a Waste and is being drawn back behind a fearful curtain to hide for a few generations in the hope that its denizens emerge as haters of the majority of humanity in a hundred years time or some such dumbest dumbing down. Just as the Nazis of Ukraine were preserved in Canada post WW2 and the recent Nazis of Ukraine were brainwashed through their schooldays for the last decade to believe they are the original human beings who populated not only Europe but also Egypt and built the pyramids and that Russians and Asia are some mythical sun human creatures – whose language must not be spoken or taught!
——————-
Rope a dope was a lie it was the hooked glove that pulled dumb Foreman forward whilst taking most of the punches throughout. Ali was not going to lose and never let himself get into a situation where he could get a serious knockout punch!
Russia was always going to win.
The SCO is going to kill the IMF, WB, Swift and the Petrodollar, Yen, Sterling and Euro hegemony.
What a wonder to be alive in such a moment in History.
URA.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 14 2022 20:05 utc | 187

Because all international dollar trade goes through US banks. From the perspective of an international transaction, a dollar is nothing more than an entry in a ledger that says an account that belongs to person X in country Y has Z dollars.
So US banks control all dollar trade. And since the US federal government regulates US banks, US federal government controls all dollar trade.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Sep 14 2022 18:35 utc | 159

No, look up Eurodollars (not confined to Europe)…
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/eurodollar.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurodollar
The key points are:
1. Eurodollars and not subject to the policies Federal Reserve
2. Eurodollars generally get higher interest rates
3. Eurodollars are the dominant source of global finance.
MoA is a great resource for non-MSM views on geopolitics, but I respectfully suggest that those wanting to learn more about non-MSM finance spend more time on ZH.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 20:05 utc | 188

This is my geopolitical view from England.
1. Almost no one in England has any interest in what is happening in The Ukraine, Russia or Germany
2. Almost no one likes Liz Truss
3. Almost Everyone, has massive respect for our Dead Queen.
4. Us English do not like especially Americans who slag off our Dead Queen. Americans are largely disgraceful and incredibly ignorant,and they project their evil on us British..Take a look at Yourselves in the Mirror
5. I accept, that some of our “elite” are complete slugs, and probably involved.
6. All surviving members of our British Royal Family are probably complete slugs – and the USA is welcome to all of them, after killing our best – Princess Diana (do you want the inside goss on that)
7. Can all US Military Peaople, Please Fuck Off Out of Europe, and Kill Each Other in The USA
8. Before I drop dead of old age and too much Vodka I am hoping to go on holiday to both St.Peterberg and Moscow
9. Can You americans Please Fuck Off and Die
10. FUCK OFF USA
11. Your JD (Jack Daniels) is really nice. Best you ever did..Many English people actually like you. Fuck Knows Why. You Disgust Me.
Tony (UK)

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 20:07 utc | 189

#177 John Nequaquam and earlier mentioned atomiccherry so I took a look.
August 8 he posted info from russian osint Lost Armour about Ukraine losses.
He finds 960 lost officers from colonel to junior lieutenant
Referring to some classical sources on military statistics he cites the expected number of lost soldiers to be 24,7~25 that number thus arrives at an estimate of 23-24000 and 70-72000 wounded
If this was fresh data from August 8 then I compare it with Ukrainian General Zaluzhny’s data from 1st of july where the number of dead quoted was 77000 and 42000 wounded
This was quoted on MoA and thesaker
There was agreement among the commentariat that, were the deaths deemed correct, the wounded ought to be around 200t rather than 42t
But the discrepancy compared with atomiccherry’s data could mean if they too are correct that the factor of say 25 ought to be much larger for Ukraine indicating that Ukrainian officers are 3 times more likely to be evacuated to safety than in traditional armies on which the statistical factor 25 is based. And according to interviews with western journalists the ukrainians at least for the less professional parts of their troops complained about being left by their officers.
The western healtcare helpers also complained about the thefts of all kinds of equipment forcing them to hide essentials under the diapers in order to get them passed the ukrainan security to where it was needed.
That sounded authentic while the soldiers on the other hand saying they had a lack of weapons and even had to share them didnt sound credible to me. So what about the officers leaving them at the front. Maybe it is true for the non-elite part of their troops-cannonfodder..?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 14 2022 20:08 utc | 190

WJ | Sep 14 2022 18:07 utc | 142
“My understanding is that the Russians enjoy tactical air superiority on front line with low-flying SUs and helicopters; but Ukraine still possesses sufficient air defenses to pose a problem for massive elevated bombing campaigns. Russia has since the start of the conflict been very careful in their use of their air force.
Ukraine basically possesses no air support at all, of course, which poses a big problem for their advances. They have been able to overcome this by the use of sheer numbers.”

Thanks for an actual answer. But it seems the problem isn’t high-altitude bombing, but rather the ability of reconnaissance and strike aircraft to go wherever they want and destroy any concentration they find. It’s clear the “SMO” cannot or will not do this.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 14 2022 20:09 utc | 191

@112 Doc Hollywood: That’s the message that counts, right there.
We U.S. Americans have a lot of work to do to fix our own culture. We have everything we need to run our country and to provide a decent living and lots of enjoyment for our own people.
There is no reason whatsoever for us to oppress, steal from, or otherwise impede the naturally-occurring forward development of other countries.
That’s what this SMO and the rest of the shag-off-why-don’t-cha behaviors exhibited by [fill in the very long list of countries here] are shouting to the U.S.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 14 2022 20:11 utc | 192

@ Posted by: Mo3.1 | Sep 14 2022 19:58 utc | 183
Both the Russian and Afghan foreign reserves are frozen at this point in time. There have been political appeals by Zelensky and others to steal the reserves to compensate for Russia’s actions but this has not been done yet.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 20:12 utc | 193

@41 Ross
b definitely appears to have a few blindspots or topics he willfully avoids. The reason for this could be either he genuinely feels they are unimportant to the matter of empire at hand, or…he does not want to admit that the reactionaries in Europe are what will save it.
Put it this way, as well. Is Putin’s Russia not a reactionary force to the attempt of the globalists to consume the world?
As I do not believe Russia is acting in the interest of Svoiet Revanchism, I would say they very much are.
That is why I keep harping on old leftists to be honest with themselves with what the force that is taking shape to combat the globalists is comprised of.
b was dead silent on the truckers in Canada.
b was dead silent on the millions+ marching in the streets against covid mandates and against the green’s centralizing plan to wane the EU off of its own cultures and abundance.
As the EU suffers through a cold winter and industry turning off, it may become apparent to even more of them that what is being hoisted on top of them is a plan of enslavement. It is not the chaotic forces and effects of war but rather the actions of desperate elites who want to keep the genie of reactionary violence in the bottle.
So while I agree that the EU is heading for a dark and cold depression, I disagree that a police state atmosphere will emerge. Rather, I think detente with Russia is more likely in the future, massive expulsion of migrants, and a resurgent sense of nationalism alongside the abandonment of the EU.
I would ask those that are angry at the thought of our deliverance from the forces of globalism at the hands of the reactionaries think twice about it: what matters most is our deliverance, not how we get there.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2022 20:13 utc | 194

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 14 2022 20:05 utc | 188
ZH = zero hedge?
Where do u see the gasprice end of 2022?
Will the price fall or rice?

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 14 2022 20:15 utc | 195

re: tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 20:07 utc | 189
As a kiwi, I must say Tony you do come across as a bit of a wanker sometimes, but poms do get touchy when they are criticized. The UK is up to its balls in the Ukraine shit, and queeny signed off on it all (did her pen leak?).

Posted by: tucenz | Sep 14 2022 20:31 utc | 196

re: tony_0pmoc | Sep 14 2022 20:07 utc | 189
As a kiwi, I must say Tony you do come across as a bit of a wanker sometimes, but poms do get touchy when they are criticized. The UK is up to its balls in the Ukraine shit, and queeny signed off on it all (did her pen leak?).

Posted by: tucenz | Sep 14 2022 20:31 utc | 197

“..I would ask those that are angry at the thought of our deliverance from the forces of globalism at the hands of the reactionaries think twice about it: what matters most is our deliverance, not how we get there.” NemesisCalling@194
The advantage of leaving the frying pan for the fire is that it ends the waiting for oblivion. And that is all.
The problem with ‘globalism’ is that in a world dominated by capitalism it is likely to lead to fascism and the eradication of all popular resistance to the ruling class. On the other hand fascism, of the sort that you preach, removes chance- it realises the worst fears that are entertained of globalism. And then it gets worse.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 14 2022 20:34 utc | 198

Posted by: ffreeloader | Sep 14 2022 15:41 utc | 40
The best analysis I’ve read about this entire SMO comes from Martyanpv as he spent 30 years in the Russian military so he understands the mindset and thinking better than any western analyst.
He recently made a video about 9/11 and was roasted so hard by his “wonderful Patrons” he had to beg them to leave him in peace ‘cos he’s just a simlpe dude trying to bring some truth to the World.
Hilarious watching him squirm in front of camera pleading for forgiveness.

Posted by: atk | Sep 14 2022 20:36 utc | 199

Chessmaster @ 195
Are you inquiring about US gasoline or about European natural gas? American gasoline is currently cheaper than it was because the Biden creature is emptying the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. No one here, and no one most places, is paying the slightest attention. After the November election gasoline prices go straight up regardless of the electoral outcome. Flat out emptying the Reserve is a mark of desperation. $10/gallon?
Euro is this morning back “up” to $1.02. Correct price for a Euro should be “we don’t accept those”. The bigger question is how long can the fiction of the Euro be maintained. When Europe collapses they only get gas at all as charity. Russia has long been sending natgas to Europe as if they were operating a charity. That is over.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2022 20:37 utc | 200