Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 11, 2022
The Izium Withdrawal – A Catalyst For ‘Starting In Earnest’

"We can say that today was the best ever, the second best ever, day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine. Something must be changed. If you ask what the Russian should change, to tell the truth, I don't know. But I believe, if they don't change anything after this situation, that means there is no need to continue this Special Operation. Because the Ukrainians managed to collect a big number of infantry. Some sources are saying, joking of course they are joking, that now the Ukrainians these days have a so big army that the Ukrainian authorities can give them just stones. And this army is able to crack the Russians' defense order just with stones because there are so much of them."

The above is the opener of Dima's Military Summary of yesterday's events in Ukraine.

The simplistic view that "quantity has a quality of its own," is usually attributed to Joseph Stalin, the Georgian leader of the Soviet Union during the second World War (as well as before and after).

Stalin was wrong, as the Second Battle of Kharkov, mentioned here yesterday, provides. In May 1942, near Izium, the Nazis thoroughly defeated a counterattacking Soviet force twice their forces size.

Stalin was also right. In the end the Soviet Union simply outproduced the German Reich and its allies in nearly everything – tanks, airplanes, cannons, ammunition, fuel, food and soldiers – which enabled its victory. (The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.)

Yesterday's Russian withdrawal from the region between Izium and the Russian border was a disaster for the (pro-)Russian people on the ground. It was also the rational consequence of a lack of military resources. The Russian military forces in Ukraine are too few to hold the 1,500 kilometer long frontline against a Ukrainian military which now has a.) a much larger force to work with, b.) no concerns about high human losses and c.) a steady supply of 'western' weapons.

Russia must adapt to this.

The most mentioned demand in the pro-Russian commentariat yesterday was to "take off the gloves" – to seriously interdict 'western' deliveries of weapons, to destroy Ukrainian bridges and other dual-use infrastructure, to switch from a 'Special Military Operation' towards war.

Why hasn't the Russia's political leadership done this yet?

After observing it for two decades I have concluded that the Russian political leadership, foremost its current leader Vladimir Putin, is driven by two guiding principles. The first is to follow the will of the people. The second are rational policies. The high ratings of Putin and other political leaders have in independent Russian polls is not by chance. It is the result of policies that are a.) rational and well explained and b.) thoroughly democratic in that they follow the public opinion of the majority of the people. They do not allow particular interest groups to have an oversized influence on it.

This can best be seen in the war Putin waged against those billionaires who, in the 1990s and early 2000nds, tried to enter politics to prioritize their interests over all others. They were defeated and those who didn't flee to London have since stopped to interfere with the state.

The other group that traditionally had an oversized role in Russia, especially during the Cold War, is the military-industrial complex. It shrank during Yeltsin's rule due to the catastrophic financial consequences of his mislead privatization drive. Under Putin the Russian military was somewhat resurrected, rearmed and sufficiently resourced. But it was also tamed. Under Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of Staff Gerasimov the priority of general state policies over perceived military needs is no longer questionable.

The biggest opponents to Putin's policies are the nationalist, not the 'western' favored 'liberal' clowns like Navalny. The nationalists can be found on the political left, right and center. They are not well organized but have a voice throughout the political spectrum. (The former President Dimitri Medvedev currently plays to that audience.) The nationalists even have a voice in public media.

Here are Gilbert Doctorow's observations of their recent position discussed in prominent Russian talk shows:

For his part, Vladimir Solovyov went beyond presentation of the threat posed by the United States and its allies to analysis of Russia’s possible response. He spoke at length, and we may assume that what he was saying had the direct approval of the Kremlin, ..

So, what did Solovyov have to say? First, that Ramstein marked a new stage in the war, because of the more threatening nature of the weapons systems announced for delivery, such as missiles with accuracy of 1 to 2 meters when fired from distances of 20 or 30 kilometers thanks to their GPS-guided flight, in contrast to the laser-guided missiles delivered to Ukraine up till now. In the same category, there are weapons designed to destroy the Russians’ radar systems used for directing artillery fire. Second, that Ramstein marked the further expansion of the coalition or holy crusade waging war on Russia. Third, that in effect this is no longer a proxy war but a real direct war with NATO and should be prosecuted with appropriate mustering of all resources at home and abroad.

Said Solovyov, Russia should throw off constraints and destroy the Ukrainian dual use infrastructure which makes it possible to move Western weapons across the country to the front. The railway system, the bridges, the electricity generating stations all should become fair targets. Moreover, Kiev should no longer be spared missile strikes and destruction of the ministries and presidential apparatus responsible for prosecution of the war. I note that these ideas were aired on the Solovyov program more than a month ago but then disappeared from view while the Russians were making great gains on the ground. The latest setbacks and the new risks associated with the Western policies set out at Ramstein bring them to the surface again.

The recent Ramstein meeting promised "long term assistance" to the Ukraine and announced weapon transfers of new quality.

In the view of the nationalists in Russia it requires a response. Russia, in their view, needs to escalate.

The Kremlin was and is extremely averse to Russian casualties. In this war it prioritizes Russian lives over everything else. That has worked well during the first months of the war. In my estimate the Russian casualties so far were about one tenth of the Ukrainian ones. But the Ukrainian leadership has never cared about casualty numbers. The issue thus does not really matter to it.

Russia had set out to 'demilitarize' and to 'denazify' the Ukraine. The main geographic priority was to liberate the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. The land corridor to Crimea, and the very Russian city of Mariupol, were also important targets.

The demilitarization, mostly by long range weapons, has worked well. The Ukraine no longer has a defense industry. The de-nazification is an ongoing process. The fascist 'nationalist' units like the Azov battalions and their brethren in the Kraken and other groups have been decimated.

The first phase of the war was about pushing the Ukrainian government into an early agreement. The threat to Kiev was designed to achieve that. It nearly worked. At the end of March Kiev agreed to fulfill Russian demands. Then Boris Johnson was sent to push for prolonging the war to "weaken Russia". The Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has since obeyed that order.

Russia pulled back from Kiev and started phase two of the war. Since then the Luhansk oblast and the land corridor to Crimea, especially Mariupol, have been won. The liberation of the Donetsk Republic has stalled. The number of Russian and allied forces fighting the war was kept steady or even decreased over time. Meanwhile the Ukrainian forces have grown manifold. They are getting a very significant amount of arms from 'western' sources and new promises to keep those supplies coming. Even when they are armed to a lesser degree, higher numbers of men do matter over time.

This made potentially costly defeats, like recently at the Izium front, possible. The Russian military has readjusted to this threat by decreasing the held territory and by concentrating on the original aims of the war.

The Russian public, which at first did not fully understand why the war was necessary, has since grown in its awareness. It now understands the big game that is played against its country. It may soon demand to adjust the level of resources put into the war to the one needed for a decisive victory. Polls will clarify if or when that point is reached.

That is why Dima concludes that: "We can say that today was the best ever [..] day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine."

It is now probably assured that they will be liberated. One way or another.

I also believe that the withdrawal from the Izium region, which left behind a significant number of pro-Russian civilians under deadly threats from fascist 'filtration' groups, will be the catalyst for a significant escalation on the Russian side.

I may, like so often, be wrong. There is still an intermediate play to come. The 3rd Russian Corps, formed from well paid reservists, armed with new weapons and now reportedly deployed south of the Donbas region, might be a game changer. If it moves north, and manages to role up the Ukrainian fortifications at the Donetsk line from behind, it may become the decisive force. But the establishment of the mobile Ukrainian forces that in recent days moved, largely unopposed, towards the Oskol river, is a new card which the Ukrainians can play again against any weak spot in the Russian lines.

The Russian public, softly led by the Kremlin through Russian media, is now likely to demand more. The question then is how much more. It must not mean the total mobilization of the Russian military. 'Western' claims that Russia is isolated are wrong. It has many friends it can call upon to contribute to its efforts. Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities.

Time is always the third force on the battlefield. Both opponents have to play against, or ally with it. Europe is currently starving itself by boycotting Russian energy resources. That is unsustainable and it will, over time, have to stop following its current U.S. directed policies. Economically the Ukraine is broke and it can not, despite foreign subsidies, sustain a long war. There are also potential political changes within the U.S. that will play a role. The long game favors Russia.

Still, the war must be won on Ukrainian grounds. Russia must up its game. On July 7, in a session with Duma leaders and party factions heads, Putin said:

Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can I say? Let them try. We have already heard a lot about the West wanting to fight us ”to the last Ukrainian.“ This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but that seems to be where it is going. But everyone should know that, by and large, we have not started anything in earnest yet.

Well, maybe now is the time to do so.

Comments

@ aristodemos
I agree. Kharkov operation was absolutely A-team – although there is a chance they sent an initial wave of sacrificial lambs – not saying they did. Probably not. High stakes to them, I don’t think they would take the chances of a fail.
What I mean is, if they preserved their trained units elsewhere, I don’t think 8 k casualties is all that much. And if these numbers are correct, 6 k are injured. How many of them will be able to rejoin the fight?

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 1:14 utc | 501

aristodemos @ 480
He was speculating that it would be the Ukrainians next offensive and it makes some sense. If it happens the Russians could have the pants caught around their ankles if they do not get it together. An Iranian style human wave assault of poorly trained troops followed by well trained mechanized units.
It worked for them fairly well. I went to a school with a guy who was in one of those assaults. What a story he told me. He went in with a plastic key and no weapon. The Iraqis came in with what he called “American style”. Helicopter gunships and mechanized units. Once the Iraqis ran low on ammo the other well trained units followed. They had plenty of men to throw into the line.
He survived the battle and was hailed as a hero with the others. He said it did not do a damm thing other than to save his life. He promptly planned to leave the country. He did through Kurdish lines and risked his life making the crossing.
When life is cheap that is what happens. The situation is very similar. The Israelis supplying the Iranians and making a killing, the US supporting Iraq with satellite intelligence. Both sides fought themselves to exhaustion. Both sides claimed victory. Just another day with the Anglo American Zionist death cult.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 12 2022 1:15 utc | 502

George @ 495
Thank you for a heartfelt posting.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:16 utc | 503

Melky’s Diner @498
This is one-liner Mel.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:18 utc | 504

So Russia has withdrawn from all the areas but for Donbas & Crimea (give or take and not including Kherson).
Never saw that coming!


Posted by: Keith | Sep 12 2022 1:20 utc | 505

Melting off the fat at 516
Guessing will get you exactly nowhere, darling.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:24 utc | 506

Posted by: Keith | Sep 12 2022 1:20 utc | 525
Hello? Mariupol, and others???

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 12 2022 1:26 utc | 507

I invite the Russian Ministry of Defense to study “Operation Linebacker”.
Basically, the full use of strategic carpet bombing by the USAF B-52 bombers for approximately eleven days put a halt to a war that had dragged on for eleven years.
The nearly unlimited support by US/NATO for the Ukro-Nazis has sunk Russia into a quagmire.
Regardless of the sympathies that Russian leaders may believe that Russo-Ukrainians may have for a “Novo-Russiya”, the Russian MOD must accept that there must be some civilian “collateral damage” in order to crush the American-European proxies fighting to defeat Russia.
Destroy every reservoir, every power plant, every railway station, every bridge, every factory, every communication or transportation hub, and every military or government structure in Ukraine.
The TU-166 can do the job.
Russia’s artillery, air force, and missile forces can continue to provide the tactical air support needed by the Russian/LPR/DPR ground operations.
In due course, Biden/Zelensky will seek terms. I hope the Russians tell them that they must accept Russia’s terms without condition.

Posted by: Arthur Brina | Sep 12 2022 1:29 utc | 508

Pobeda@521
For a military operation, multiple thousands of wounded can be more time-consuming and agonizing for many people in or around the organization than graves registry for the slain. Most wounded soldiers become traumatized—particularly PTSD. Some will return to the fray, of course…the lightly wounded ones. But many of them will become gun-shy and overly cautious. Such disorders tend to demoralize their comrades.
Consider the mess created by the Kherson operation. Hospitals in Nikolaev, Odessa and Krivoy Rog were overwhelmed with all the wounded. Were it not for the threats to southern Ukraine, the 3rd Corps would likely sweep clear to Transnistria like Patton’s classical “shit through a goose”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:31 utc | 509

I apologize for posting this as I feel sure that someone must have already shared it somewhere in the preceding 500 comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAx_alGBHI
Alexander Mercouris makes the important point that precisely because the Russian Ministry of Defense’s statement is probably completely accurate, it represents a debacle for Russia because it displays a political cynicism that will be hard for anybody to ignore. First of all, it may be that the Ukrainians were well aware of and simply taking (PR) advantage of the impending redeployment of RF forces to a more militarily secure front line — such that the only people properly deceived (for instance, by video of Russian reinforcements being transported) were the pro-Russian people in the recaptured areas, honest observers like Moon of Alabama, The Duran, etc., and, most crucially, the Russian people. All to gloss over the fact that Russia simply was not prepared to either hold territory it had presumed to secure or protect the people there. It calls into question the whole strategy of the “Special Military Operation.” Is Russia going to accomplish the goals Putin has laid out or will it simply fritter away its military advantage, in absolute terms, over the next couple of years playing cynical political games? For what?
Because that is a loser’s game on its face, I don’t see how this leads to anything but a major escalation by Russia to prove its good faith intentions to a population at home that, in the end, very much seems to matter to the Russian establishment. To put oneself in such a defensive position is an unforced error.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Sep 12 2022 1:32 utc | 510

Arthur Brina | Sep 12 2022 1:29 utc | 528
I don’t think it is Russia’s intention or in Russian planning to be hanging off helicopter undercarriage.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 1:36 utc | 511

aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:31 utc | 529
I suspect that is a big part of the reason we have seen no encirclement and virtually no advances, apart from early on in phase two. POWs and wounded means Russia has to care for them plus bury the bodies of the dead. Even in the relatively small advances, burying the Ukraine dead is a large job, and as Ukies just leave carcasses of their mates to rot, not a very nice job.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 1:41 utc | 512

Emily Dickinson | Sep 12 2022 1:32 utc | 531
Russia always does something for a reason. The SMO in Ukraine is just a small part of the larger hybrid war and not a separate military operation. The reason it is called a special military operation. It is designed to shape and influence the larger hybrid war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 1:46 utc | 513

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 12 2022 0:57 utc | 510
> Go watch the classic Polish comedies from the ’80s, they *fucking hated* that their lives were ruled by meaningless bureaucracy and any bit of individual striving was stamped out.
But that bureaucracy was a Polish one, not Russian. Poland was a separate country, with its own communist bureaucracy. Russians had their own within USSR, probably equally meaningless.
And BTW who does not hate a bureaucracy except bureaucrats?
> So no more alliance with Russia. That’s just blowback, that the USSR could have prevented with better policies.
An alliance with Russia would make more sense. To ally with the enemy of your big neighbor is not the smartest move.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 12 2022 1:46 utc | 514

Arthur Brina @ 528
It might be coming to that end.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 12 2022 1:46 utc | 515

@aristodemos
This is a good point. I think the real question is, how big is the well trained and well equipped nazi army? At some point, losses need to take a toil…
But at some point Russia need to go on the offensive again, otherwise the nazis will just keep recruiting and trainning more and more. I ready today that Russians are fighting near Patrice Lumumba in Artemovsky. First time I heard of this street, it was WEEKS ago. So it can’t be good.
I am holding my fingers for the 3th Army Corps. But no one is talking about them any longer.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 1:48 utc | 516

“China is so superior because it is the only nation of the world that really wants to base its decisions on scientific results. Xi is permanently stressing this, but nobody understands what that means. The European Enlightenment will be continued by China. After moving west over hundreds of years the spirit of knowledge finally gets back to where it started.”
And the Russians retreat leaving the people behind without evacuation – if this is true – is a cynical move.
Posted by: njet | Sep 11 2022 16:47 utc | 219
The first paragraph about China is quite interesting; do I detect some Hegelian logic there?
Your nasty diatribe about the Russia (Putin) Retreat was uncalled for, and wrong. I suggest that you take a look at today’s Military Summery Channel. You might learn something.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 12 2022 1:55 utc | 517

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Sep 12 2022 1:32 utc | 531
the attack using more modern NATO weapons and NATO troops reportedly, like the Ukrainian shelling of the nuclear plant, is a major escalation. love how all the trolls pretend to be concerned for the Ukrainian people, or the Russia people. now Russia has to respond.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2022 1:57 utc | 518

It’s not that great powers deserve a sphere of influence, it’s that great powers will carve spheres of influence on their own, to secure their borders from other great powers or just because they can and fear their neighbours might be hostile. Of course, it’s a self-reinforcing circle, it already was for the Roman Empire: you’re powerful, your neighbours fear you, you perceive your neighbours as potentially hostile since they don’t like you being all that powerful and threatening.
This is what Mearsheimer is warning us about, this is why those most informed about Russia were fearful about NATO expansion. Had Eltsin had a marginally competent and effective army instead of the clown show that got owned in Chechnya, he would’ve raised hell well before Putin appeared. Had any other democratically-elected dude be elected instead of Putin, Russia’s position towards Ukraine would’ve been very similar, no matter how liberal or progressive the president would be – or he would lose the next election big time, assuming he wouldn’t be killed or couped before that.
Still, the less bad solution ever devised so far, imho, is indeed the finlandization: your country stays neutral, doesn’t get invaded by great powers, has minimal interference by said great powers, and you can trade and deal with both sides and make good money out of it. It’s the closest to a win-win you can design – the alternative being total war between great powers until one wipes the floor, with all the destructions, mayhem and deaths we’ve seen during both world wars, and now with the added bonus of nuclear war…
So, yes, Ukrainian leadership has been stupid at least since 2014, most probably since 2004 – but then you look at the Baltics and Poland, who’ve been braindead since 1991 when it comes to relationship with Russia, because they’re just in there for pure sheer revenge and not for their own countries’ well-being and safety.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 12 2022 1:58 utc | 519

@531 Emily Dickinson
While I do enjoy watching Alexander Mercouris’ youtube videos I think that this recent one betrays a degree of cognitive dissonance.
On the one hand he and Alex Christoforou have spent many conversations highlighting how the EU elites pay no attention to the opinion of their constituency. Just one example: their contempt towards Annalena Baerbock’s comments regarding that issue was – and is – very well-deserved.
And yet Alexander Mercouris is now saying that the Russians are making a grave, grave mistake by not pandering to that public opinion.
Why, exactly?
Why should it matter to Russia what a disenfranchised and ignored segment of Western opinion thinks about the statements from the Russian General Staff?
For one thing not one in a million is ever going to hear about those statements, and those that do are certain to be ignored by the power structures in Brussels and Washington.
It is those power structures that are making decisions and enacting policies, and they are implacably opposed to Russia.
They will not be swayed one way or the other by what the Russian General Staff have to say, precisely because Brussels and Washington exist inside their own perception bubble. Reality is something that they create themselves, it is not influenced in the slightest by any comments that emanate from outside that bubble.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 12 2022 2:05 utc | 521

A nuclear power plant requires a stable energy grid to operate. Apparently they could be brought offline by simply overloading the electricity grid by removing alternative energy supply sources and stations, the so-called off-site power supply.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2022 2:05 utc | 522

uh oh, he’s ‘weaponizing’ winter now, folks!!
b take note for future reference. lol
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3635075-putins-strategy-to-weaponize-winter/
Putin’s strategy to weaponize winter
“As the summer war in Ukraine transitions into autumn and the harvesting of sunflowers begins, repeated Russian military setbacks in the Donbas region and Kherson Oblast are forcing Vladimir Putin to show his hand. Impatient to reverse course on the battlefield, the Russian president is signaling that Moscow fully intends to weaponize Europe’s winter energy needs — for not just Ukraine but the entire European Union……”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 12 2022 2:11 utc | 523

Posted by: GW | Sep 12 2022 1:31 utc | 530
love the tacit admission that the US is trying to enforce the Monroe Doctrine on the world. Manifest Destiny baby. it’s idiocy like yours that is bringing us to the brink of a world war.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2022 2:21 utc | 524

Russia has been winning this conflict comfortably despite not going “all in”. It always appeared to me that the West has too much to lose and was inevitable for NATO to get involved. Russia will have known this and has been careful to not over-exert prior to this happening, hence the tactic it has been using so far. Perhaps this has now happened and the conflict is about to become very very big. This is much more than a battle over Ukraine. The Western capitalist system is at stake. It is just taking place in Ukraine.

Posted by: MG | Sep 12 2022 2:24 utc | 525

Beckenbauer [18]
You are very satirical!
Scotland is 40% land area of Great Britain with 5 million population
It is probably 6% land area of Ukraine with 14% population

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 12 2022 2:24 utc | 526

GW | Sep 12 2022 1:31 utc | 530
English language use is due to the empire in which the sun never set, not the very recent yank hegemonic empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 2:25 utc | 527

@546 I don’t know about the Monroe Doctrine but English is the current lingua franca. I think if b switched to Tagalog you might find traffic dropping off.

Posted by: dh | Sep 12 2022 2:28 utc | 528

Come to think of it, if it wasn’t for the British empire, the geographical area known as the USA would be speaking French or Spanish and the international language would still be English.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 2:30 utc | 529

What I mean is, if they preserved their trained units elsewhere, I don’t think 8 k casualties is all that much. And if these numbers are correct, 6 k are injured. How many of them will be able to rejoin the fight?
Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 1:14 utc | 521
Not strong on math skills are you? In your world, 8k caualties out of 30k is not all that much (I bet those caualtes are not sad you’re not their commander), but that’s over a 30% casualty rate; beyond the point at which a combat unit ceases to be effective. And that’s against a screen defense. Please note the above that I posted… 8k over 5 days exceeds more than 4 times the daily caualty rate of the BEF in the battle of the Somme. How’s that for perspective? Yeah, the Ukrops have the Russians right where they want them.

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 2:33 utc | 530

Thank you B, for relating the historical event at Izium in 1942 alongside the current events at Izium, the swift withdrawal of RF. Once bitten , twice shy.
Russia would definitely approach this place prepared in order to avoidca second catastrophe. Understanding 1942 explains 2022 perfectly. I have been unable to read page after page of concern trolling that a catastrophe has happened. A feint has been made to lure Zelensky into an triumphal Nazi victory, snd he will now get a
Triumphal bloody nose for thiscevil mentality God willing.
This event sums up the utter evil of the ex-Ukranian facts in power in the US, Nuland Blinken and the vile Joe Biden as well, trying to reverse the defeat of Nazi Getnsny. I wish the general publics of USUKIS could see what evil old facts rule them, scratching away at history to reverse the last World War and its beautiful victory.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 12 2022 2:42 utc | 531

So, Russia has withdrawn from all the areas but for Donbas & Crimea (give or take and not including Kherson).
Never saw that coming! Posted by: Keith | Sep 12 2022 1:20 utc | 525
Not true. Please watch this afternoon’s Military Summery Channel. It is very eye opening about the retreat and why. A new UAF counter offensive is being planned around the city of Donetsk. The Izium offensive was intended to force Russia to comment a large portion of its new reserve forces to fight in the northern Kharkiv region while a large contingency of troops and supplies were being gathered in small towns and villages just outside of the city of Donetsk and other southern post near the front line (as much as 35,000 UA troops). Supposedly Russia found out about this new UAF plan and decided that defending Donetsk was more important than the Kharkiv region which had little military value anyway. Apparently, the RU MOD had had this information for at least a week (perhaps longer) and was quietly moving their forces out as inconspicuously as possible and moving them south towards Donetsk while placing their fresh reserves in locations to be moved quickly.
If the MSC is correct their should be some real fireworks soon.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 12 2022 2:47 utc | 532

@scuppers
First of all, cool down. Second, assuming these numbers are right, we are not talking about ongoing casualties in a still battled front. They already won the battle in this front, meaning they will be redeployed to other fronts, where they can join the fight – not all of them, of course, as they will need to secure the border, although I suspect they will use the usual sacrificial lambs for that.
So it is 8 k not out of 30 k, but out of whatever Ukraine still has. Hence, my question: ” how big is the well trained and well equipped nazi army”? I don’t know. Do you? Oh, and btw, before you say the nazis sent all their reserves into the fight, they didn’t. And I read that in Russian sources.
Finally, I never said, or implied, Russians are where the nazis want them to be.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 2:52 utc | 533

aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 2:48 utc | 557
I have found that when the timed out message comes up, I click on I think a cross at the top right to get rid of the message box the copy what I have wrote before renewing the page.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 2:54 utc | 534

As far as I have found this is Zelensky’s editorial:
“I told the World Economic Forum in May that I plan great leaps ahead for the postwar Ukrainian economy. I committed my administration to creating a favorable environment for investment that would make Ukraine the greatest growth opportunity in Europe since the end of World War II.
Today, with the introduction of Advantage Ukraine, I am delivering on that promise. I invite foreign investors and companies with ambition to see the advantage in investing in the future of Ukraine, and to recognize the tremendous growth potential our country presents. We have already identified options for more than $400 billion of potential investment, which reach from public-private partnerships to privatization and private ventures. With the support of the U.S. Agency for International Development, we have formed a project team of investment bankers and researchers, appointed by Ukraine’s Economy Ministry, that will work with businesses interested in investing.
While Ukraine is recognized for its agriculture, the breadbasket of Europe, the nation is less well known for its leadership in science and technology. Our country has a growing, well-educated, English-speaking workforce with in-demand STEM capabilities. Today, Ukraine has more graduates with degrees in technology than most European countries, while 240,000 citizens are employed in the information-technology sector (this is forecast by the Ukrainian government to grow to 450,000 by 2024). Additionally, I am proud that Ukraine leads among central and eastern European countries in research and development and IT outsourcing.
To create a safe, transparent environment for business engagement, Ukraine is pursuing investment guarantees from both the Group of Seven and the European Union, reforming the country’s tax system, and establishing a strong new legal framework. Our country has already adopted rules and laws to allow companies to build transparent corporate structures, attract foreign investment more easily, and use additional mechanisms to protect intangible assets. Favorable conditions will allow us to establish Ukraine as a powerful IT hub and implement innovative business ideas quickly and effectively.
Ukrainians are grateful for the support we have received from around the world, but today I am writing not to ask for favors. Advantage Ukraine, our new program, outlines investment opportunities that will unleash the economic potential of Ukraine while delivering growth for those who have the vision to invest.
I stand by what I said in May, and I say it now with even greater conviction: Ukraine is a land of surprising opportunity. I personally invite you to be surprised by our potential and to invest in the future of Ukraine.
Mr. Zelensky is president of Ukraine.”
Which does not seem to tally with:
“MICHAEL HUDSON: Well it certainly didn’t say everything. The day after Labor Day, significantly, Tuesday, on September 6, the day that Zelensky rang the bell at the stock exchange, he had an editorial in the Wall Street Journal that did say everything.
He said, what we’ve done is abolish the right of labor to join labor unions. We have abolished the right of collective bargaining. Every wage agreement is going to be an individual choice between the worker and the employer. That’s a fair market.
We are abolishing all of labor’s rights that are in the constitution. We are rejecting the European Union labor laws. We are rejecting everything that the UN International Labor Organization said.
Labor, we have reduced labor, under the new law that I just passed, to absolute abject dependency. So if you work in Ukraine, not only are we going to give you whatever you can buy from the kleptocrats, giving them an appropriate markup and owning it, but you will have a completely docile labor force such as no country has seen since the era of Pinochet.
You’ve got to read the Wall Street Journal editorial. It’s jaw dropping. It is absolutely – it’s like a parody of what a socialist would have written about how the class war would be put in into action by a fascist government. This is literally what fascism is.
So of course he was welcomed on the stock exchange for abolishing labor’s rights. You could not have a more black-and-white example from what you just pointed out.”
I get that it will mean that* but it does seem to be misleading what was actually said in Zelensky’s editorial.
*https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/ukraine-labour-law-wrecks-workers-rights/

Posted by: Andy | Sep 12 2022 2:57 utc | 535

Re: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 2:30 utc | 552
The reason there is a country called the United States of America is because of a sea battle in 1588 between the English & Spanish.
The English won.
If the Spanish had won that battle there would be no country named the United States of America.
It is the most consequential battle of the last 1,000 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

Posted by: Julian | Sep 12 2022 2:58 utc | 536

There is no natural law in the world stating that the West must act at all times to prevent Russia’s security from being marginally degraded. And no natural law stating that it’s fine and ethical for Russia to use whatever force it wants to prevent that. CW @510
You almost sound smart, but clearly have no understanding of natural law vs human/international/ law/jurisprudence. Natural law, in fact, gives Russia the absolute right, in fact the duty, to use whatever force it wants to prevent that. And therein lies the conundrum. Either the U.S. and EU/Nato recognize and fulfill their obligations under civilized law, or they themselves throw all back into the state of natural law, that is the law of the jungle; a state of warfare. At which point, they have no right (again, for your benefit, because they have undermined their rights that would stand, in a state of civilization) to any expectation other than a state of warfare – a state of natural law. Greater minds than mine, and certainly yours, expounded on this more than 300 years ago. Try to keep up.

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 3:00 utc | 537

Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 2:52 utc | 558
According to Ukraine sources, the trained and experienced units are in the lead, the lesser or untrained forces to follow for consolidation or if the lead fails, simply fed in in large numbers as cannon fodder which I believe is what occurred in the southern offensive. The reserve untrained units are still being fed into a small bridgehead which is all that remains of the southern offensive.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 3:01 utc | 538

Scuppers @ 553
If my study of military history is still within the memory glands, on the first day of the Battle of the Somme, June 1, 1916 seems to be the date according to my recall, Butcher Haig sent in his “New Army” after what at that point was the most powerful artillery barrage in military history had pulverized the German lines.
Whether faulty intel or commander hubris; Haig overlooked the fact that the Germans were dug in extremely deeply. Their underground bunkers sometimes were as deep as 30 feet below the churned up surface. So the British New Army advanced in close-order after the barrage lifted. The Germans dug their way out of their hidden-holes and sighted their Spandaus. The ranks of British soldiers were mowed down like so much wheat. For added measure the German artillery added to the chorus.
Handfuls of wounded stragglers made it back to the British lines. The butcher’s bill for that memorable occasion was some 50,000 dead, wounded and MIA. Britain has had many great admirals, but precious few great generals. The officer class was comprised almost entirely of the upper class twits. They had this nasty habit of treating their subordinates as nothing more than cannon fodder.
Fifty-thousand casualties in a single day. That remains as an almost unbeatable western world record.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 3:02 utc | 539

@556 Guernica
Indeed, the latest Military Summary Channel post is very interesting.
If nothing else it gives a lie to the idea that Dima is only interested in the minutiae of tactics and doesn’t think about the bigger picture.
He goes very Big Picture indeed in that video, and I think he is really onto something.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 12 2022 3:04 utc | 540

Wonder if the Russians are using this time of dark electricity grid to destroy all those tanks and equipment on disabled trains. Meanwhile, bot channels seem to be “sleeping”.
— Most Ukrainian channels which we often use as source for the Ukrainian side, who often operate 24/7, are silent or inactive since ~4 hours ago, with no major update, even from Channels from Major Cities 🤔
https://t.me/loordofwar/42855

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2022 3:11 utc | 541

unimperator @567
Most Ukrainian channels which we often use as source for the Ukrainian side, who often operate 24/7, are silent or inactive since ~4 hours ago, with no major update, even from Channels from Major Cities
Pure speculation on my part – wonder if they figured out how to jam Starlink?

Posted by: Just Observing | Sep 12 2022 3:22 utc | 542

Second, assuming these numbers are right, we are not talking about ongoing casualties in a still battled front. They already won the battle in this front, Pobeda @ 558.
So which is it, a still battled front, or an already won battle? I’d agree with the former, and it’s still early days. Casualty figures will only mount, and with if the rumored Russian cauldron is set, we could likely see the entire force of 30k obliterated. It ain’t over yet and the Ukrops are facing disastrous losses.
Otherwise, I didn’t compare the caualties with the entire British army, nor the Ukrop losses with the entire Ukrop army. But since you bring up the point, do you really think that the Ukraine can withstand those kinds of losses better than the British Empire could at the height of its power?
And lastly to your “Finally, I never said, or implied, Russians are where the nazis want them to be,” your constant doom rhetoric, pearly clutching and hand wringing pretty much says it for you.

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 3:40 utc | 543

@unimperator | Sep 12 2022 3:11 utc | 567

— Most Ukrainian channels which we often use as source for the Ukrainian side, who often operate 24/7, are silent or inactive since ~4 hours ago, with no major update, even from Channels from Major Cities 🤔

Most of Ukraine retained its Internet connections. Only Kharkov was totally down. See: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/7955
The simultaneous inactivity of all Ukrop channels means they were all operated from one central Troll Factory.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 12 2022 4:02 utc | 544

Kharkiv power plant and a wide range of logistics infrastructure were hit by Russian strikes :
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-accuses-russia-attacking-power-grid-revenge-offensive-2022-09-11/
This may be the prelude of the counter-counter-offensive.
Warfare is always a dynamic process that never proceeds in a one-way traffic pattern. There are twists and turns, charges and retreats during the entire process. I am appalled by so many people jumping to premature conclusion.

Posted by: YIU | Sep 12 2022 4:05 utc | 545

Great piece, as usual, from MoA. People in Russia are pissed to the point that if Russia bombs Poland & Romania tomorrow, sinks UK hull or push US out of some region altogether – people will cheer and are ready to withstand the consequences. West is walking on very very thin ice here. Dangerous times.

Posted by: Dan Radov | Sep 12 2022 4:19 utc | 546

@Michael Weddington 205
How are all these new names suddenly showing up on MOA?
Good question.
To prevent a potential nuclear catastrophe, Russia shut-down the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, whereupon the Ukranian Army turned off the Khmelnytsky and South Ukraine nuclear plants. The Russians then attacked the two main thermal power plants of Ukraine, the power plants of Kharkiv and Kremenchug. Ukraine then shed-load by disconnecting the Kharkiv and Poltava regions but this measure was insufficient to preserve grid stability. Resulting in near total blackouts across Ukraine, particularly in the regions of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa and Kramatorsk, which is why electric trains are halted across Poltava while in Dnepropetrovsk and across the Kharkov region water pumps are not working.
Depending on the damage done it might not be easy to repair the damage. If primary transformers are involved, it is likely to take at least 5 years to replace them, and if steam-turbines have been damaged, it could take as long as 12 years to replace them. I wonder if ordinary Ukrainians – and Western Europeans suddenly bereft of power as well as gas – will still consider this an acceptable cost to support the USA’s proxy war on Russia in a month or two from now?
The Ukrainian Army was feeling elated,
But now they are feeling dejected
They imagined they were beating Russia
But Russia checkmated them unexpected!
All of the trolls were out having fun
Their fingers were flashing, their brains were quite numb
Ukes were beaten in Kherson where they left at a run,
Fallen cadres left behind them like buckets of chum
In Kharkov the Russians pulled out before
The hordes of Ukrainians were arrayed at the door
They lead out the refugees, held the murderers back
And left in good order avoiding attacks
Despite all the killing that had thinned their ranks
The Ukrainians were ecstatic, but rather than thanks
They claimed a great victory, rode in on their tanks
Dragging weapons supplied them, lead by both Brits and Yanks
The few people who had stayed there were dragged to the wall
Amd all the world over the trolls heard the call
Spewing confusion and vomiting shit
Great lies did not phase them, not even a bit
“Russia is beaten”, “Moscow must fall”
“Putin’s in trouble” “Russian dicks are quite small”
But none of them noticed the swords over their heads
Suspended above them on a fast fraying threads
Russia had an agreement about the battle zone
Left the Balakliya gas fields and Uke powerplants alone
That way Russian people and those of your own
Had lights, power and heat to warm up their home
Ukraine broke that agreement, Russia won’t take-that and shan’t
With Uke’s ongoing daily attacks on Zaporizhzhia’s nuclear plant
And then their sortie from Balakliya
Ukrainian feet are now held to the fire
Did you think when Putin warned you that he had just stuttered
In reply to all the aggression you uttered
With Zaporizhzhia now safely shuttered
The warranty on Kharkiv and Kremenchug’s power just expired
Your oilfields are burning, your forces are dying
Despite all of your trolls braggadocio and lying
Goodbye Elensky, prepare to see hell
And all of your trolls can head there as well!

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 12 2022 4:22 utc | 547

Ukraine telegram channel.
https://t.me/s/legitimniy

Once again, we are right and have been insiders about this all the time.
Today, it came as a surprise to the President’s Office that the Russians, in the sixth month of fighting and already in the third month of shouting from our functionaries that the Russian Federation is a terrorist country, still took and hit the energy infrastructure. Back on August 10, this case was described in detail. Warning the President’s Office not to provoke the Russians, start an infrastructure war.
This morning, by the way, we insider information from a Kremlin source that the Russian Federation will now adopt the tactics of the Presidential Office and start hitting critical infrastructure.
The source explains that this should be taken now as a warning. If the Russian Federation launches its entire arsenal of missiles at these facilities, Ukraine will simply “fully stand up”.
……..
Our source reports that Zelensky is already holding talks with Western partners, trying to stop Russian strikes on critical infrastructure in Ukraine, threatening to raise the stakes (hinting at the case of the nuclear power Plant).
It also requires the West to increase the number of air defense systems in order to close all facilities in Ukraine, although the EU has already transmitted many installations through closed channels that have not been publicly mentioned anywhere.
The source points out that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile strike after telephone conversations between Putin and Macron.
Most likely, Putin simply demonstrated what he can do with Ukraine if he wants, because the West has virtually no leverage left over the Kremlin.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 4:22 utc | 548

@Peter AU1 534
Everybody does everything for a “reason.” I’m not sure what light that sheds here. But I do appreciate your apparent confidence that there is somebody in the world who always knows exactly what they’re doing and exactly what its consequences will be. I have yet to meet such an entity.
@pretzelattack 539
I am not concern trolling. Indeed, I expressed no particular concern for Ukrainians or Russians. I think Mercouris made a good point that cynical ploys have consequences. Because people — at least outside the cosseted West, it would seem — seldom just write perpetual blank checks to their “leaders,” political or military. I don’t think escalation is good for anybody; I was suggesting that this particular impending escalation may be inevitable — but possibly only because an error was made.
@Yeah, Right 543
Mercouris was not suggesting that Russia should be concerned about his opinion or the opinion of anybody in the West. He was suggesting that it would be ethnic Russians in Ukraine and Russians themselves — the people most affected by the Russian military’s decisions and the ones most likely to understand exactly what the Ministry of Defense was saying about this particular incident — who would not blandly accept this level of cynicism. And those people, ultimately, one way or the other, will figure into the decision-making.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Sep 12 2022 4:34 utc | 549

Tom UK ,391
Unstated, that Churchill had to bomb Berlin every day for almost a year before Germany did as he had hoped and reciprocated, providing “photogenic postcards to persuade the bloody Yankees to come into the war”. See Air Chief Marshal Dowding’s biography and General van der Spuy’s corroborative memoirs.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 12 2022 4:42 utc | 550

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2022 22:41 utc | 453
Thank you, karlof1, for bringing this important interview forward. I had seen it linked at nakedcapitalism.com – Yves has been following the SMO situation with commendable clarity, and I think some comments on Professor Hudson’s recent interview there and here do not measure up to the attention she has been paying to the latest episode in Ukraine, but I would give her credit for alerting him (he follows her site and occasionally comments there); and he is bang on in critiquing the Zelensky editorial. To me that is exactly what happened in Russia’s disaster under Yeltsin, rewritten by Zelenski for Ukraine. “Investors”??? In your dreams!!
I had replied earlier to a post by Scorpion that he was not clear who were behind the nasty undertakings on an international level that we all have been watching – was it all the world’s leaders, was it somebody else pulling the strings? I think Hudson’s interview lays it all out. Scorpion hasn’t replied to my suggestion he read or watch it. Perhaps your attention to the interview will make better headway. Thanks for putting excerpts here.
Also thanks to Peter AU1 for posts – I mostly use the front page comment list to read selective comments, would recommend that technique – after of course always studying what b is pointing out. As he did in Syria, he gets always to the truth of the matter. I have to say I have difficulty with the maps, but that simply illustrates how large a country we are dealing with here.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 12 2022 4:49 utc | 551

I watched Alexander Mercouris latest video which was referenced above.
In the video, Mercouris pounds on the Russian Mod for feeding him (and a lot of other war bloggers) false information about Russia sending troops to blunt the Ukranian advances in Kharkov. Only to find out recently that that was not going to happen. Mercouris is, obviously, pissed off because he passed that false information on to his many subscribers who are now questioning his reliability given the bum dope he was feeding them.
He sounds a lot like the guy who suddenly finds out his long standing girl friend has been “visiting around.”

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Sep 12 2022 4:57 utc | 552

Emily Dickinson | Sep 12 2022 4:34 utc | 576
“Everybody does everything for a “reason.” I’m not sure what light that sheds here. But I do appreciate your apparent confidence that there is somebody in the world who always knows exactly what they’re doing and exactly what its consequences will be. I have yet to meet such an entity.”
There was a danger Europe would lift the sanctions and most funding from Europe to Ukraine had dried up. Several government had began to talk about lifting the sanctions along with a number of politicians and influential people in Europe. Not to mention protests demanding and end to sanctions. It is very much in Russia’s interests that the self destructive sanctions if anything are increased and funding to Ukraine continued.
So long as Russia can encourage EU to maintain the sanctions, Europe may well be defeated and destroyed this winter without Russia having to lift a finger.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 4:58 utc | 553

@ GW | Sep 12 2022 0:07 utc | 482
i suggest you lay off posting here for a while… exercise more patience.. it will serve you well in the long run, as opposed to vomiting emotional reactions here at moa.
@ Guernica | Sep 12 2022 2:47 utc | 556
thanks.. i don’t watch that every day, but i appreciate your update here tonight..

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2022 5:00 utc | 554

All those who are pointing to the Russian strikes on Ukrainian electricity generation in and around Kharkiv seem to be missing an important point: almost all of Ukraine’s rail network relies on electrified rolling stock.
There are almost no diesel trains in Ukraine.
And both Ukraine and Russia have a military doctrine that relies very heavily on the rail network to move men and material around, in particular heavy armor and artillery.
So anyone who thinks that this is just a retaliatory strike against the civilians inside Kharkiv city are probably wrong.
The Russians have struck to bring the rail network to a halt.
Note that they could have done that at any time i.e. as soon as they saw that Ukrainian military buildup they could have slowed it down by halting the trains.
But they didn’t.
They waited until AFTER the Ukrainians sent troops deep into this territory and only then did they take the rail network down.
To my mind that suggests that the Russians were not at all concerned about the Ukrainians get deep into this territory, but they are now very interested in stopping those Ukrainians from getting out again.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 12 2022 5:09 utc | 555

Mercouris opened his video with a positive reading of the Russian withdrawal. He is trying to find something bad to say about the Russians to appear even-handed. Or maybe he did say the Russians were coming to Kharkov. Maybe it was someone else. This is of course a psychological operation on all sides as some “commentators” are calling for these bloggers’ physical torture and murder even on MoA, which is of course a great way to win an argument.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 12 2022 5:12 utc | 556

@ Yeah, Right | Sep 12 2022 5:09 utc | 587
good speculation on your part….. it remains to be seen whether russia will take advantage of this to off a bunch of ukrainians led into this madness… i did hear that ukraine-nato upped the pay significantly to entice more men in ukraine to reconsider participating in this latest surge of the ukrainian army… it would be a sad ending, but as others have noted, we are still in the early innings here.. we’ll see..

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2022 5:15 utc | 557

Interesting info on the increased bot activity. It will only increase towrds the end of the year as it is not only Zelensky who needs a win but the Democrats in the midterms.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 12 2022 5:20 utc | 558

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 12 2022 4:42 utc | 580
far as I know, she hasn’t posted since that bizarre episode where she accused RSH of taking over her devices and life.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2022 5:34 utc | 559

I guessed I missed a few things over the years. This is the first I remember hearing about a National Emergency in the US.
It appears that our dear leader is concerned about having made some enemies from bombing some places to smitherines.
“Biden extends 9/11 emergency”
Published: 10 Sep 2022 | 15:30

Posted by: HelenB | Sep 12 2022 5:40 utc | 560

@ pretzelattack | Sep 12 2022 5:34 utc | 591
circe hasn’t posted, but i saw rsh posting early in this thread.. i quote :
“Sorry to see b turn into Scott Ritter.
Guess Martyanov, Andrei Raevsky and Brian Berletic are the last commentators left who have a clue.”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 11 2022 9:04 utc | 25

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2022 5:42 utc | 561

@t | Sep 11 2022 21:54 utc | 425

I support Russia

No, you don’t. You are a liar. Wishing death on people in countries not at war is a criminal offense.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2022 5:51 utc | 562

Yeah, Right | Sep 12 2022 5:09 utc | 587
I think it was shortly after the second phase began that Russia knocked out many transformers or substations the power up the railways though I think that was all in west Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 5:57 utc | 563

@t | Sep 11 2022 22:28 utc | 446

Just look at how wrong they’ve been at every turn

If someone is wrong, you can just ridicule them and tell the truth. Instead you are angry because you are on the wrong side of truth. You are a fool, sir.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2022 6:01 utc | 564

@John Kennard | Sep 11 2022 22:39 utc | 450

Obedience-training, like dog-school and Scientology.

You got that right. Everybody should remember the term Obedience-training, it has been going on for years in the west and took a serious turn up 2.5 years ago in preparation for the war we are now witnessing experiencing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2022 6:07 utc | 565

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2022 5:42 utc | 593
yeah I saw that. I saw Ritter’s latest video and I thought he gave a credible explanation for his “game changer” remark. I’m not going to condemn b, either. It’s impossible at the moment to tell what is going on, and the situation is not helped by the massive flood of trolls. At this point, I’m not absolutely sure anybody is who they identify themselves as being, given the recent handle hijacking, just another way to derail the discussion.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2022 6:15 utc | 566

@scuppers 562
Perhaps your analysis should have pointed out that ‘civilized’ law, in respect of nations, was governed by accepted norms of international law but now is supposedly governed by the UN Charter whose terms are accepted by all countries by treaties.
However, in that the USA has implicitly rejected the UN Charter by its indisputable ‘illegal’ invasions of foreign countries, it now seems to be making itself the arbiter of ‘the rules-based international order’ as a substitute.
It still remains to be seen where those ‘rules’ are set out.

Posted by: chet380 | Sep 12 2022 6:15 utc | 567

@Norwegian | Sep 12 2022 6:07 utc | 597
When you shorten everyone’s attention span with digital media reinforcement free thinking becomes practically impossible.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 12 2022 6:17 utc | 568

It is not hard to see why the bloggers are being targeted. One might see election interference in real time if one situates this cyber offensive against the background of the US midterms, which the Dems gotta win but won’t.Of course the bliggers woll have to be silenced and kept from bringing bad news. In Mercouris’ defense I might add that he was probably the first one who thought it possible – though not probable – that the Russians might abandon Izium because it did not serve the purpose the Russians had hoped. And indeed, the Ukies got wind of it and initiated the massive counter offensive. I don’t know why Mercouris thinks it is such a big deal that Moscow might have given misinformation about Kherson when the Ukies have done nothing but for the past few months (and even admitted as much).

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 12 2022 6:27 utc | 569

I’m starting to understand Martianov who is sick and tired of the stupidity and egomanic dopamin-addiction in the west reading this forum.
It is really simple: now the NATO rats have come out of the holes they were hiding in in Kharkiv. It’s a big city, it used to be the capitol of ukraine and well connected logistically. Ideal if you do not mind using civilian jnfrastrucure and want to hide a few ten thousand men and equipment. So NATO is all in now, their catds are on the table and they are desperate and that is dangerous. The “kherson offensive” and “kharkiv offensive” were nothing but part of a scorched-earth strategy. They know they have lost and simply want to destroy as many men and as much infrastructure as possible before russia takes over. The uber-idiot Zalushny was installed for that purpose. He is too stupid to realize what’s going on and will do anything.
That is why you have to deny them electricity and any means of implememting the scorched-earth strategy. This time, as they said in Vietnam you really have to destroy parts of the country to save it.

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 12 2022 7:24 utc | 570

Franz, that is entirely possible. It seems that the Russians are acting as mirror image of the Western information war: The Russian strategy is to give the West a big “win”, and lo, the elements to be “liquidated” are only too eager to come out. The Western strategy is to threaten the bloggers and “Putinists” who dare to criticize the Western campaign and who will have to lie low. But then again, those who do threatening have already come out (albeit hiding behind a pseudonym, as on this forum).

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 12 2022 8:26 utc | 571

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 2:25 utc | 550

English language use is due to
the empire in which the sun never set, not the very recent yank hegemonic empire.

If the Yanks had spoken German (nearly happened), or any other language other than English, the lingua franca post-war would have been German (or whatever else the Americans spoke).
Interest in languages generally tracks economic power. That is true even for English.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 12 2022 9:57 utc | 572

It’s indeed weird. Here in the free and democratic capital of the EU *cough* there is indeed suddenly a ton of articles about Ukraine and glorious victories, articles about Putin loosing support in Russia. Posts about Russian soldiers fleeing and deserting … all without proper context and source of course.
The last couple of weeks the news about the ‘war’ settled down. It was mostly about the energy crisis, people not being able to pay the bills. But now, jesus christ, everyone is back to supporting Ukraine. Well, the MSM is anyway.

Posted by: wageslave | Sep 12 2022 10:41 utc | 573

OK, I will troll one serious comment for y`all after reading this: “The Russians should set themselves the goal of not just eliminating the threat in Ukraine but destroying US forces all over the world. They should equip Iran with the means to destroy all US forces in the Gulf, including with weapons of mass destruction to do that. The message should be unequivocal that the US is being destroyed and its armies and fleets will perish all over the world, adn there is nothing it can do but die.”
It seems you folks are far into the Jade Helm area of force asessment. You seem to think that the russian forces are some sort og magical beast capable of endless regeneration, fighting with one or both hands behind their back until some mqagical moment when the unicorns will take to the field and sweep the West away. You seem to think that the EU can not take on bitter winter and that all will bow before Russia as soon as rationing sets in. This is not happening. The truth is that Russia today is running on fumes both in personel and modern weapons, and will soon have to either come to the table or choose glorious global genocide for all in a nuclear holocaust. Some of you may really believe that th extinction of mankind is preferrable to a retreat to the prewar lines, but i do not think the rational part of the russian military agrees with you. This war is more or less lost, after a winter of HIMARs pounding on russian positions, who of you seriously expect the russians to come out on top in next may? What we are seeing now is NATO/Ukr positioning the russians for just that. Unless your magical 100 k North Korean supersoldiers suddenly emerge, this war is lost for Russia. Its the way of the world, f*ck around and find out.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Sep 12 2022 13:19 utc | 574

Leo muchos buenos comentarios sobre Stelkov (Supremacia Slava) pero debemos recordar su traición a principios del conflicto en el 2014 cuando trato con mañas entregarle Luganks a los ukronazis y así crear un imagen negativa de putin entre los rusos y asi generar un descontento entre los ciudadanos de rusia, y que luego crearían una revuelta y cambiarian a putin de presidente por otro que fuera de la misma corriente ideológica o hasta el mismo strelkov se veia como el gran mariscal…

Posted by: 1ngl4 | Sep 12 2022 14:09 utc | 575

Thanks to Russia for leaving behind civilians now subject to violence by Ukraine..

Ukrainian Nazis have kill lists with names of individuals and whole families accused of collaborators. The repression in the towns taken by the Ukrainians it’s going to be horrendous.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/9638

Ukraine cracks downs on civilians – official
Kiev’s forces “are shooting people” in the north of Kharkov region, pro-Russian local authorities claim

https://swentr.site/russia/562619-ukraine-crackdown-kharkov-russia/

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 12 2022 14:34 utc | 576

@ James. It is nothing that drastic. When you decapitate a government it is not just the leader. You can take out huge parts of the administration, and even some of the members of the legislature and the courts and do that in several large cities. You can do lots of damage with missiles you could never do 30-40 years ago. You can also take out some prominent bankers. And then you target light, gas, water and groceries. Country will be in chaos in no time and neither the CIA or MI6 would be able to do a thing about it. Of course you could take out communication centers as well. At some point Ukraine has to waive the white flag.
That has to be the focus rather than arms or soldiers. The problem with the military is most have no clue about public works, and often no clue about how the government works, or the banking system works. They got focused on the wrong things.

Posted by: davidgmillsatty | Sep 12 2022 15:30 utc | 577

Disagree with the point of time being on the Russian’s side. The collective West have enough money to keep this going indefinitely. The lack of Russian forces in the Kharkov region suggests they are having a serious manpower problem. Even if Putin does mobilize, I think it will be to late.

Posted by: Abraxas | Sep 12 2022 17:09 utc | 578

Disagree with the point of time being on the Russian’s side. The collective West have enough money to keep this going indefinitely.
Posted by: Abraxas | Sep 12 2022 17:09 utc | 579
HA! Well, that’s presumably what the Western leadership believes (unless their intention is to collapse their polities as I think more likely) so we shall soon find out if you are right or the Eurasians, who clearly think the West has already lost and is on their last legs economically.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 12 2022 17:24 utc | 579

If the kremlin sorrindo about casualties, why it did continue to sell energy to the west instead of stopping it before the start of the SMO?

Posted by: Pb | Sep 12 2022 18:43 utc | 580

This limited operation is ridiculous , makes no sense. It could go on forever or until Putin loses support at home. Kiev / Ukrainian hopes that it continues , of that I am sure. I agree with Alexander Mercouris from the Duran who said Putin must fully engage or he should consider going home. As for Kadyrov and the Chechens I don’t blame them for being pissed off. Smoothie and Larry Johnson , experts extraordinaire, have been putting lip stick on a pig , this Ukraine offensive has been a disaster for the Russians and it was due to inexplicably bad planning on the part of the Russians , a failure of high command. Pity the Pro Russian Ukrainians left behind in the retreat . Thanks alot , Vlad.

Posted by: Buford T Justice | Sep 12 2022 18:44 utc | 581

Here’s my opinion, from reviewing both situation and Russian commentariat:
(1)The battle itself was a significant defeat, akin to what Seven Days Battles were for the North in 1862. While it was not exactly crippling in terms of losses, amounting mostly to broken-down venicles many of which were at a disabled vehicle collection posts for Izyum area before the battle, it pretty much snuffed out the last hope of ending the war relatively quickly.
(2)In terms of morale the effect, however CAN end up catastrophically crippling, not so much because of the loss itself, as because of the explanation offered by Russian MoD, which directly undermines the key justification for the war itself, that being protection of the people from Ukronazi atrocities. This is not comparable with the March retreat – people in areas left then weren’t promized anything. The citizens of Izuym, Kupyansk, etc, were well on the way of direct intergration into Russia, and they were implicitly and explicitly offered protection. Failing to offer said protection due to military failure is bad enough, but forgivable. But there is nothing that can be more demoralizinging to the Russian cause in this particular war than the idea that such protection was withdrawn deliberately, for some political reasons, because what animates Russian people who give a shit is the hope of Russia finally stopping leaving Russians at the mercy of splinter states, which build their entire self-justifications for existence on Russofobia.
(3)Now, there is the larger part of Russian population which doesn’t give a shit and tries to keep living as if the war is other people’s businness. But hoping on it to be an active force or reliable support in anything whatsoever is fruitless. Most certainly, they are not the ones actually fighting on the frontlines. Effective parts of the Russian military force – and a significant part of formations ARE of limited effectiveness – very largely depend on the patriots to function. Particularly as most attempts to increase its effective combat strength depend on volunteers.
(4)What I’m saying, while in terms of finances and manpower Russian can probably keep up its current war effort indefinitely, Putin’s government now has a pretty narrow window for demonstrating their willingness to do whatever is needed to conclude the war successfully, before demoralization and loss of will sets in.

Posted by: Stanislav | Sep 12 2022 18:55 utc | 582

I mostly find MOA a useful source of information and opinion. However, the statement above about WWII – “ The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.” – is completely wrong. The USA fought all three axis powers in all domains, while helping equip our allies, and dominating naval warfare in the Pacific. No other country came close in naval production and power.

Posted by: A A Ron | Sep 13 2022 13:21 utc | 583

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 17:10 utc | 235
Wow, you with Yenwoda?

Posted by: tom E | Sep 14 2022 5:53 utc | 584

Ukraine have begun to execute “traitors” from the area Russia held.

GRAPHIC
In Kupyansk, two civilians were shot in the head for collaborating with the Russian army.

https://t.me/intelslava/36995

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 14 2022 8:06 utc | 585