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September 11, 2022
The Izium Withdrawal – A Catalyst For ‘Starting In Earnest’

"We can say that today was the best ever, the second best ever, day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine. Something must be changed. If you ask what the Russian should change, to tell the truth, I don't know. But I believe, if they don't change anything after this situation, that means there is no need to continue this Special Operation. Because the Ukrainians managed to collect a big number of infantry. Some sources are saying, joking of course they are joking, that now the Ukrainians these days have a so big army that the Ukrainian authorities can give them just stones. And this army is able to crack the Russians' defense order just with stones because there are so much of them."

The above is the opener of Dima's Military Summary of yesterday's events in Ukraine.

The simplistic view that "quantity has a quality of its own," is usually attributed to Joseph Stalin, the Georgian leader of the Soviet Union during the second World War (as well as before and after).

Stalin was wrong, as the Second Battle of Kharkov, mentioned here yesterday, provides. In May 1942, near Izium, the Nazis thoroughly defeated a counterattacking Soviet force twice their forces size.

Stalin was also right. In the end the Soviet Union simply outproduced the German Reich and its allies in nearly everything – tanks, airplanes, cannons, ammunition, fuel, food and soldiers – which enabled its victory. (The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.)

Yesterday's Russian withdrawal from the region between Izium and the Russian border was a disaster for the (pro-)Russian people on the ground. It was also the rational consequence of a lack of military resources. The Russian military forces in Ukraine are too few to hold the 1,500 kilometer long frontline against a Ukrainian military which now has a.) a much larger force to work with, b.) no concerns about high human losses and c.) a steady supply of 'western' weapons.

Russia must adapt to this.

The most mentioned demand in the pro-Russian commentariat yesterday was to "take off the gloves" – to seriously interdict 'western' deliveries of weapons, to destroy Ukrainian bridges and other dual-use infrastructure, to switch from a 'Special Military Operation' towards war.

Why hasn't the Russia's political leadership done this yet?

After observing it for two decades I have concluded that the Russian political leadership, foremost its current leader Vladimir Putin, is driven by two guiding principles. The first is to follow the will of the people. The second are rational policies. The high ratings of Putin and other political leaders have in independent Russian polls is not by chance. It is the result of policies that are a.) rational and well explained and b.) thoroughly democratic in that they follow the public opinion of the majority of the people. They do not allow particular interest groups to have an oversized influence on it.

This can best be seen in the war Putin waged against those billionaires who, in the 1990s and early 2000nds, tried to enter politics to prioritize their interests over all others. They were defeated and those who didn't flee to London have since stopped to interfere with the state.

The other group that traditionally had an oversized role in Russia, especially during the Cold War, is the military-industrial complex. It shrank during Yeltsin's rule due to the catastrophic financial consequences of his mislead privatization drive. Under Putin the Russian military was somewhat resurrected, rearmed and sufficiently resourced. But it was also tamed. Under Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of Staff Gerasimov the priority of general state policies over perceived military needs is no longer questionable.

The biggest opponents to Putin's policies are the nationalist, not the 'western' favored 'liberal' clowns like Navalny. The nationalists can be found on the political left, right and center. They are not well organized but have a voice throughout the political spectrum. (The former President Dimitri Medvedev currently plays to that audience.) The nationalists even have a voice in public media.

Here are Gilbert Doctorow's observations of their recent position discussed in prominent Russian talk shows:

For his part, Vladimir Solovyov went beyond presentation of the threat posed by the United States and its allies to analysis of Russia’s possible response. He spoke at length, and we may assume that what he was saying had the direct approval of the Kremlin, ..

So, what did Solovyov have to say? First, that Ramstein marked a new stage in the war, because of the more threatening nature of the weapons systems announced for delivery, such as missiles with accuracy of 1 to 2 meters when fired from distances of 20 or 30 kilometers thanks to their GPS-guided flight, in contrast to the laser-guided missiles delivered to Ukraine up till now. In the same category, there are weapons designed to destroy the Russians’ radar systems used for directing artillery fire. Second, that Ramstein marked the further expansion of the coalition or holy crusade waging war on Russia. Third, that in effect this is no longer a proxy war but a real direct war with NATO and should be prosecuted with appropriate mustering of all resources at home and abroad.

Said Solovyov, Russia should throw off constraints and destroy the Ukrainian dual use infrastructure which makes it possible to move Western weapons across the country to the front. The railway system, the bridges, the electricity generating stations all should become fair targets. Moreover, Kiev should no longer be spared missile strikes and destruction of the ministries and presidential apparatus responsible for prosecution of the war. I note that these ideas were aired on the Solovyov program more than a month ago but then disappeared from view while the Russians were making great gains on the ground. The latest setbacks and the new risks associated with the Western policies set out at Ramstein bring them to the surface again.

The recent Ramstein meeting promised "long term assistance" to the Ukraine and announced weapon transfers of new quality.

In the view of the nationalists in Russia it requires a response. Russia, in their view, needs to escalate.

The Kremlin was and is extremely averse to Russian casualties. In this war it prioritizes Russian lives over everything else. That has worked well during the first months of the war. In my estimate the Russian casualties so far were about one tenth of the Ukrainian ones. But the Ukrainian leadership has never cared about casualty numbers. The issue thus does not really matter to it.

Russia had set out to 'demilitarize' and to 'denazify' the Ukraine. The main geographic priority was to liberate the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. The land corridor to Crimea, and the very Russian city of Mariupol, were also important targets.

The demilitarization, mostly by long range weapons, has worked well. The Ukraine no longer has a defense industry. The de-nazification is an ongoing process. The fascist 'nationalist' units like the Azov battalions and their brethren in the Kraken and other groups have been decimated.

The first phase of the war was about pushing the Ukrainian government into an early agreement. The threat to Kiev was designed to achieve that. It nearly worked. At the end of March Kiev agreed to fulfill Russian demands. Then Boris Johnson was sent to push for prolonging the war to "weaken Russia". The Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has since obeyed that order.

Russia pulled back from Kiev and started phase two of the war. Since then the Luhansk oblast and the land corridor to Crimea, especially Mariupol, have been won. The liberation of the Donetsk Republic has stalled. The number of Russian and allied forces fighting the war was kept steady or even decreased over time. Meanwhile the Ukrainian forces have grown manifold. They are getting a very significant amount of arms from 'western' sources and new promises to keep those supplies coming. Even when they are armed to a lesser degree, higher numbers of men do matter over time.

This made potentially costly defeats, like recently at the Izium front, possible. The Russian military has readjusted to this threat by decreasing the held territory and by concentrating on the original aims of the war.

The Russian public, which at first did not fully understand why the war was necessary, has since grown in its awareness. It now understands the big game that is played against its country. It may soon demand to adjust the level of resources put into the war to the one needed for a decisive victory. Polls will clarify if or when that point is reached.

That is why Dima concludes that: "We can say that today was the best ever [..] day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine."

It is now probably assured that they will be liberated. One way or another.

I also believe that the withdrawal from the Izium region, which left behind a significant number of pro-Russian civilians under deadly threats from fascist 'filtration' groups, will be the catalyst for a significant escalation on the Russian side.

I may, like so often, be wrong. There is still an intermediate play to come. The 3rd Russian Corps, formed from well paid reservists, armed with new weapons and now reportedly deployed south of the Donbas region, might be a game changer. If it moves north, and manages to role up the Ukrainian fortifications at the Donetsk line from behind, it may become the decisive force. But the establishment of the mobile Ukrainian forces that in recent days moved, largely unopposed, towards the Oskol river, is a new card which the Ukrainians can play again against any weak spot in the Russian lines.

The Russian public, softly led by the Kremlin through Russian media, is now likely to demand more. The question then is how much more. It must not mean the total mobilization of the Russian military. 'Western' claims that Russia is isolated are wrong. It has many friends it can call upon to contribute to its efforts. Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities.

Time is always the third force on the battlefield. Both opponents have to play against, or ally with it. Europe is currently starving itself by boycotting Russian energy resources. That is unsustainable and it will, over time, have to stop following its current U.S. directed policies. Economically the Ukraine is broke and it can not, despite foreign subsidies, sustain a long war. There are also potential political changes within the U.S. that will play a role. The long game favors Russia.

Still, the war must be won on Ukrainian grounds. Russia must up its game. On July 7, in a session with Duma leaders and party factions heads, Putin said:

Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can I say? Let them try. We have already heard a lot about the West wanting to fight us ”to the last Ukrainian.“ This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but that seems to be where it is going. But everyone should know that, by and large, we have not started anything in earnest yet.

Well, maybe now is the time to do so.

Comments

ZX | Sep 11 2022 21:27 utc | 408
“This is like saying 1980’s Ethiopia just joined your food drive.”
Ethiopia was a food exporter throughout its purely man-made famine.
But yes, I have no doubt Zelensky would happily export electricity while Ukrainians freeze in the dark, food while Ukrainians starve, etc.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 11 2022 21:33 utc | 401

@ Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 142
excellent post! i encourage others to read it.. thanks to the poster who drew my attention to it…
Flying Dutchman | Sep 11 2022 21:04 utc | 396
i agree with you.. thanks for saying all that…cheers..
@ t…
your hostility and wish for the murder of people has no place here at moa, regardless of anything worthwhile you might have to offer… i will skip your posts here forward, but know that people pay attention to the shit others say and don’t take kindly to the shit sometimes as is the case here for me with your shit..

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 21:36 utc | 402

ZX | Sep 11 2022 21:27 utc | 408
Quite likely, though I sure Zed and co would have no qualms about starving Ukraine of electricity to make a few more bucks on the side.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 21:36 utc | 403

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 11 2022 21:33 utc | 411
Ethiopia was a food exporter throughout its purely man-made famine.

Damn, just like Ireland.
But yes, I have no doubt Zelensky would happily export electricity while Ukrainians freeze in the dark, food while Ukrainians starve, etc.
I’m thinking it’ll go the other way: Hans will end up being cheated out of his electricity ration for their greatest ally Ukraine. The German government seems vindictive enough to do it, and the German populace submissive enough to accept it.
Posted by: Rob | Sep 11 2022 21:31 utc | 410
Russia can still do much more to degrade Ukraine’s infrastructure.

Reports now that Russia has destroyed some power plants. Not sure if that’s true though, as the blackouts are in Eastern Ukraine.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 11 2022 21:40 utc | 404

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 20:17 utc | 367
But de-Russianation doesnt only sounds like Genocide IT IS already DAILY PRACTCSE since 2014 and are becoming more and more every day
is that what you want Putin to accept?
trial by military tribunal is only kind of circus and will only make of the NATO but kisser a martyr.
Better take them out and life goes on without PR-martyr effect
Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 11 2022 20:53 utc | 385
Thank you for your response, and I do understand your POV. I only have two responses:
1). No, I do not want Putin to accept genocide of the Russian speaking people of the Donbass region, which is where the Kiev government was heading.
2). Ernesto “Che” Guevara was taken out and murdered by the CIA without a trial or a tribunal. To this day, the entire world knows his name and he is THE symbol of revolution and resistance. Still, you could be Right.
Have a good day.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:41 utc | 405

Major blackout in Ukraine. Let’s hope the Russians stopped fooling around. It must be total war.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 11 2022 21:43 utc | 406

Anyone heard from Gonzalo Lira? While I support Russia, if this offensive means the ukienazis have captured that chain smoking LOSER than I’m all for it. Hopefully he’s being tortured to death as we speak, is that to much to ask?
Posted by: t | Sep 11 2022 21:02 utc | 394
I have no love loss for Gonzolo, but based on your comment I think we all know who the loser is.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:45 utc | 407

@ Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 11 2022 21:07 utc | 397
Country scale logistics are a different way of thinking.
Shells per minute turns into mass moved per hour.
50kg shell every 5 seconds is 10kg per second or 600kg per minute – 36 tonne per hour per gun.
Resupplied by a 16 tonne truck = 1 truck every 26 minutes yadda yadda.
Now you can do the same thing for refugees and relief measures. Drinkable Water is always fun.

Posted by: S.O. | Sep 11 2022 21:46 utc | 408

The Russians are winning the economic war. The price Europe will pay will be catastrophic. We have had the following official announcements already:
German President: we (i.e. you) will need to give up some of our hard earned prosperity.
Macron: the end of abundance (for you) is at hand.
Switzerland: is your neighbor heating their hovel too much? Call immediately!
Combine this with ideas of forced vaccinations for people 60 years and older or even all around, lockdowns and the military now preparing for deployment against the population and you have a revealing picture of the state of European “democracy”.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 11 2022 21:47 utc | 409

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:45 utc | 418
same poster wants to see Turkey take over Greece in order to torture one of the Duran guys. at least Yenwoda is usually less barbaric.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 21:48 utc | 410

Major blackout in Ukraine. Let’s hope the Russians stopped fooling around. It must be total war.
Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 11 2022 21:43 utc | 417
What is your source please?

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:49 utc | 411

@ Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:49 utc | 422
plenty of courses.. cheers..
Ukraine suffers massive blackout after ‘Russian strikes’

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 21:52 utc | 412

course, source of course of course! heard it straight from a horse…

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 21:53 utc | 413

Regarding the blackouts in UKR: the Ukraine promised to export electricity to the EU. That won’t happen now, maybe the EU will be asked to export electricity to Ukraine.
The EU grid is extremely fragile, if it goes down for only one day expect supply problems for two weeks (according to a disaster preparedness expert on national TV in my home country).
The government wants you to have enough stores to be self-sufficient for 3 weeks. Of course that includes drinking water first and foremost (no juice – no pumps for water and neither for gas ==> stuck). How many households have 20 gallons of drinkng water stored? But they do have hoards of toilet paper.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 11 2022 21:54 utc | 414

@Guernica
It’s all over Russians sources for HOURS already. I didn’t read this whole thread, I was assuming it was being discussed already…
I can tell you what, the mood in Russian groups and sources greatly improved. I speak of myself included, who was very down on spirit the last few days. War is a very serious thing, and the stakes in this one are too high, so you can’t play down morale, even of the people “not in the front”.
I hope this is the start of things getting serious. But I try to show some restraint, because Putin loves half measures.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 11 2022 21:57 utc | 415

Posted by: t | Sep 11 2022 21:54 utc | 425
you said you would support the Ukrainian offensive if only it resulted in the capture and torture of Lira. troll troll troll troll. do they pay you overtime working on a weekend?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 21:57 utc | 416

Local channels inform that Volchansk (North Kharkov) “de facto occupied by NATO troops” as there are almost no Ukrainian soldiers – mostly English-speaking, including black.

Posted by: denazi | Sep 11 2022 21:58 utc | 417

Oh, my god. LOL. 23 main battle tanks and 23 BMPs captured in one day. I guess they all just piled into Urals to flee? I mean execute the pre-planned strategic regrouping.
https://twitter.com/Rebel44CZ/status/1569079250246062080

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 21:59 utc | 418

@ t | Sep 11 2022 21:54 utc | 425
what you’ll eventually realize is we are not snowflakes for not wishing ill or worse on others..it speaks extremely poorly of you.. i guess you are some tough punk barely out of your fucking diapers… it doesn’t cut it here..

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 22:00 utc | 419

We have an at least partial answer to the weekends outrages with the blackouts.
It depends whether the half-measure judoka will go against type and actually carry it through to cause lasting damage this time

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 22:02 utc | 420

Posted by: bottle | Sep 11 2022 21:54 utc | 426
EU electricity grid is connected to Ukrainian electric grid. If Russians decide to destroy the rest of the thermal and hydraulic power plants in the country (they only took out a few now), Ukraine will become a major net leacher of electricity from EU. That will increase pain in EU further.
Yes they will win the EU membership application due to being decades ahead on EU climate goals.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 22:03 utc | 421

Escalation: Blackouts for Ukraine and maybe Russia
I knew this was coming, and warned about it earlier today.
Yesterday Ukraina was shelling the electricity substations in Donbass. Mine workers got trapped in mines, after blackouts.
NATO has forced the the ZNPP to close down. For the last week it was only producing enough electricity to run its own cooling pumps to remove the decay heat. (one reactor at 20%) Now the pumps at ZNPP are running on emergency diesel generators.
Russia will now cause a similar shutdown of Ukrainian nuclear power plants. Unless NATO and Russia agree to stop targetting infrastructure. I would not count on that.

Ukraine suffers massive blackout after ‘Russian strikes’RT, September 11, 2022
Multiple regions of southeastern Ukraine suffered electricity shortages and blackouts late on Sunday.
President Vladimir Zelensky has said the cause was missile attacks by Moscow on “critical infrastructure.”
Full blackouts have hit Kharkov and Donetsk regions, Zelensky said in a social media post, apparently referring to the Ukrainian-controlled part of Donetsk People’s Republic. Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Zaporozhye and Odessa regions have been hit by partial blackouts, according to the president, who blamed the incident on “Russian terrorists.”
So, far Moscow has remained silent on the matter, neither confirming nor denying its involvement. Still, the incident has been preceded by a reported launch of multiple cruise missiles from Russian ships positioned in the Black and Caspian Seas.
Footage circulating online shows the aftermath of the purported attacks, with firefighters trying to extinguish flames at what appear to be power plants.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63500
Another video, purportedly shot in Poltava, shows a trolleybus that caught fire, apparently due to a power surge in the grid.
https://t.me/voenacher/28763
The blackout has affected the operations of Ukrainian railways, which reported delays across the country. It also brought the subway system in the eastern city of Kharkov to a halt the, footage circulating online purports to show.
https://t.me/truexanewsua/59879
So, far, emergency services have managed to restore power supply only in Poltava, Sumy and Dnepropetrovsk regions, according to Ukrainian media reports.

I am copy-pasting the whole article, as RT is blocked in the EU. To bypass the censorship, use a non-EU DNS server like 1.1.1.1. (You can choose your DNS server in your browser or your network settings.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 11 2022 22:05 utc | 422

When the bolsheviks overthrew capitalism in Russia, the where applauded and supported by workers all over the world.
So socialists should fight for socialist change in Russia and turn the war for national liberation and unification of the Russian people, important as it is on its own, into a revolutionary war against all forms of capitalism and imperialism.
Posted by: Ronald Portier | Sep 11 2022 21:27 utc | 409
So, you expect a non-socialist country like Russia to expend its treasures and the lives of its military personnel for the clarion call for socialism? Why would they do that? If you think Russia is a hard on the working class, visit the US and the UK, and almost any western capitalist country. Ronald, I think your heart is in the right place, but your mind is a little fuzzy.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 22:07 utc | 423

I am really curious how western media will condemn Russian strikes on power plants while accepting Ukrainian strikes on nuclear power plants… will be a delightful exposition of their double standards.

Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Sep 11 2022 22:09 utc | 424

Posted by: Ronald Portier | Sep 11 2022 21:27 utc | 409
So socialists should fight for socialist change in Russia and turn the war for national liberation and unification of the Russian people, important as it is on its own, into a revolutionary war against all forms of capitalism and imperialism.

I love this tankie idea that the USSR wasn’t imperialist.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 21:59 utc | 430
Russia took a hard kick in the pants there, but I’m glad their boys got out instead of dying in place. Let’s hope this thing comes to a peaceful end soon, though it’s hard to say if the Ukie offensive will prolong or contract the conflict.
My uneducated rough guess, based on the apparent casualties and now large scale infrastructure destruction, is that it’s about to get a lot bloodier and nastier. We may already be living through the early months of WW3.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 11 2022 22:12 utc | 425

linbiao | Sep 11 2022 17:09 utc | 234
Nah. Aristodemos is correct to identify the circus ringmaster (and circus owners).
The performing monkeys aren’t to blame. They never wanted to join the circus anyway.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 22:14 utc | 426

RationalPeacekeeper | Sep 11 2022 22:09 utc | 437
“I am really curious how western media will condemn Russian strikes on power plants while accepting Ukrainian strikes on nuclear power plants…”
We’ve already known the answer to that for a long time now: They’ve been accusing Russia of shelling its own plant.
So for the imperial media there’s no such thing as “Ukrainian strikes on nuclear power plants”.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 11 2022 22:15 utc | 427

They won’t care.
Engaging in contradictory narratives is the point. It is to show people they are expected to swallow total nonsense from a sociopathic regime.
This makes them more cowed and submissive.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 22:15 utc | 428

Posted by: t | Sep 11 2022 22:04 utc | 434
right you support Ukraine. got it. I’m glad you admitted it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 22:17 utc | 429

@ Evan | Sep 11 2022 11:55 utc | 95
Sean McMeekin? Seriously? You should be ashamed to show all your ignorance in public by suggesting sh*t like that. McMeekin’s books can be useful, if at all, to fix a lame table.

Posted by: SCan | Sep 11 2022 22:22 utc | 430

Is it time for “Dark Putin”?
https://korybko.substack.com/p/20-strategic-observations-about-kievs

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 22:23 utc | 431

Arestovich, the real ruler of Ukraine, likes to quote Sun Tzu without citation, as if Arestovich personally came up with these timeless aphorisms, about looking weak when you’re strong, and vice-versa; appearing close when you’re far and vice-versa; and so on. Meanwhile, Putin is a judo master, not just physically but mentally in that he’s written about its philosophy, strategy, and technique. In judo it’s advised that you let your enemy’s greatest strength become their greatest weakness, that you make their center of gravity work against them (the EU might have something to say about this right now) and that you disarm your foe with minimum exertion and little emotion. Gambles and wanton aggression are frowned on.
My point here is only that this war will be a game of smoke and mirrors 💨 🪞 — played in the fog of war — and no one can know exactly what’s going on barring a view inside the inner sanctums containing the master strategists (hello, NSA). To understand it, it may be best to think obliquely — while never forgetting the rounder angles of gravity’s rainbow.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 11 2022 22:31 utc | 432

I accept that bridges are hard to destroy from the air. Wondering what a Kinzhal would do to a bridge column…

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 11 2022 22:35 utc | 433

denazi | Sep 11 2022 21:58 utc | 429
Not long back a New Zealander on ‘unpaid’ leave from the military was killed in Ukraine. NZ military said approx 100 troops on ‘unpaid leave’ were in Ukraine. If this is taken on a per capita basis throughout five-eyes there would be a large basically NATO contingent in Ukraine.
Some months ago there where reports of 800 polish military moving into Ukraine as two units which was likely done on the same basis.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 22:38 utc | 434

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 22:15 utc | 441
Obedience-training, like dog-school and Scientology.

Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 11 2022 22:39 utc | 435

t | Sep 11 2022 21:21 utc | 405
You’re a dickhead. To lust for more violence when Ukraine is already drowning in blood.
But the used sock salesman is twitter in away right now…. And presumably took part in the yt thing he twittered he’d be camwhoring on four hours ago.
If you’re really that obsessed, do your own homework….
I think Lira is in it for the … lira. I think you’re sick and despicable to call for violence against him or anyone.
I feel the same for those bleating for nukes to be exchanged.
Insanity.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 22:40 utc | 436

Posted by: t | Sep 11 2022 22:28 utc | 446
I agree with Ritter, it’s a war and people lose battles, and Russia doesn’t have the manpower to hold a line everywhere at all times, nor apparently did it expect NATO to escalate, in which case it fucked up. it’s still winning, and this whole offensive may collapse in a couple of weeks. I’ve been reading that some of the troops were NATO troops, don’t know how fast NATO will escalate, but Russia can use this opportunity to get the Russian people behind escalation if that is necessary. way I see it, Russia is fighting for survival, and NATO is fighting to maintain the US led empire at all costs. and that means breaking up Russia and then moving on to China. interesting times.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 22:41 utc | 437

Wow! 450 comments about Ukraine and not one related to the Plunder being meted out by the Outlaw US Empire. IMO, much of the FUD and Fog is all about covering up this unsaid aspect of the SMO that’s NOT Russia’s doing.
In a long interview with Ben Norton of Multipolarista, him and Dr. Hudson discussed the Disaster Capitalism being waged on Ukraine by Zelensky and his masters. What follows is the first half or so of their exchange:

Ben Norton: Now Ukraine itself is being subjected to these same neoliberal shock-therapy policies. A friend of mine, a Canadian activist and writer, Jake Kallio, and I wrote an article over at Multipolarista.com titled “West prepares to plunder post-war Ukraine with neoliberal shock therapy: privatization, deregulation, slashing worker protections.”
A conference was held this July in Switzerland called the Ukraine Recovery Conference, in which a bunch of Western governments and corporate leaders met together to plan neoliberal shock therapy to impose on Ukraine.
And we couldn’t have seen a more blatant symbol of this than the fact that Ukraine’s Western-backed leader Zelensky, on September 6, he rang the opening bell, digitally, at least via Zoom, in the morning at the New York Stock Exchange.
I mean, it’s really incredible. It says so much. With the hashtag #AdvantageUkraine and the slogan, “We are free. We are strong. We are open for business.”
And if you read what the financial press is saying about this, this is from this website Business Wire: “President H.E. Volodymyr Zelenskyy rings bell at NYSE to signify Ukraine is open for business.”
It notes there are $400 billion in investment options. It spans “public private partnerships, privatization and private ventures.” And “a USAID-supported project team of investment bankers and researchers appointed by Ukraine’s Ministry of Economy will work with businesses interested in investing.”
They quote the president of the New York Stock Exchange Group who said: “we stand for freedom, investor protection and unfettered access to capital. We are pleased to welcome President Zelenskyy virtually to the NYSE bell podium, a symbol of the freedom and opportunity our U.S. capital markets have enabled around the globe.”
So this, to me, it says everything. It points out that Ukraine has been working with the G7 in the EU to reform the country’s tax system – that is, cut taxes on corporations and the rich – to create a new legal framework and to adopt “rules and legislations to allow companies to build a transparent corporate structure, attract foreign investment more easily, and use additional mechanisms to protect intangible assets.”
So, I mean, honestly, what they’re announcing is a massive corporate giveaway. What do you think about this policy of Ukraine being “open for business”?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Well it certainly didn’t say everything. The day after Labor Day, significantly, Tuesday, on September 6, the day that Zelensky rang the bell at the stock exchange, he had an editorial in the Wall Street Journal that did say everything.
He said, what we’ve done is abolish the right of labor to join labor unions. We have abolished the right of collective bargaining. Every wage agreement is going to be an individual choice between the worker and the employer. That’s a fair market.
We are abolishing all of labor’s rights that are in the constitution. We are rejecting the European Union labor laws. We are rejecting everything that the UN International Labor Organization said.
Labor, we have reduced labor, under the new law that I just passed, to absolute abject dependency. So if you work in Ukraine, not only are we going to give you whatever you can buy from the kleptocrats, giving them an appropriate markup and owning it, but you will have a completely docile labor force such as no country has seen since the era of Pinochet.
You’ve got to read the Wall Street Journal editorial. It’s jaw dropping. It is absolutely – it’s like a parody of what a socialist would have written about how the class war would be put in into action by a fascist government. This is literally what fascism is.
So of course he was welcomed on the stock exchange for abolishing labor’s rights. You could not have a more black-and-white example from what you just pointed out.
BEN NORTON: Yeah, and I mean, it’s really sad considering that Ukraine already is the poorest country in Europe. And it’s one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, even according to these metrics of Western-government backed organizations.
So we have seen that, after the overthrow of the Soviet Union in 1991, that, in Russia in particular, there was this brutal neoliberal shock therapy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2022 22:41 utc | 438

hihi, B you are great, they quote u everywhre and well zhe botfarm came here as well
But as u know already, that game is gettting abstract

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 22:45 utc | 439

Let it say for you barflies another way…
Captain Bizzaro arrived ,)

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 22:48 utc | 440

453 Cont’d–
Here’s the remainder of their exchange:

Ben Norton continues: Gorbachev just died. You know, he helped bring this in. Gorbachev did this famous Pizza Hut commercial, basically showing that he sold out his country for Pizza Hut.
And we saw that under Yeltsin, this alcoholic US puppet, in Russia, the life expectancy of Russians decreased by several years. According to UNICEF, millions of Russians died excess deaths because of the neoliberal shock therapy imposed on Russia.
And of course, Ukraine suffered, but the neoliberal shock therapy imposed on Ukraine wasn’t as severe as it was on Russia. And there still are some state-owned assets in Ukraine that all of these Western corporations are just frothing at the bit, they’re salivating about trying to get their hooks into and to privatize all of these assets.
So this is a country that is already the poorest in Europe. It’s already one of the most corrupt countries on Earth. It has a massive problem with far-right extremism.
And now it’s being flooded with $40 billion of weapons just from the US, billions of dollars more weapons from Europe.
I mean, this seems like such a massive powder keg. I can’t even imagine how disastrous it will be, considering the effect of the neoliberal shock therapy imposed on Chile, you mentioned, under Pinochet, and the neoliberal shock therapy imposed on Russia and the disastrous consequences.
I mean, what do you think this is going to do, not only to Ukraine, but to Europe?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Well, this is exactly what Mr. Macron said when he said the ‘end of abundance.’ The Ukrainian labor force has just experienced the end of affluence, neoliberal style.
And as Mr. Zelensky said, it may be the end of affluence for the labor force, but it’s going to be a bonanza for you investors in the New York Stock Exchange. Come on in and join the party!
Somebody’s loss is turned into somebody else’s game. And that’s what happens in a class war. It’s a zero-sum game. There is no attempt at all to raise living standards.
And the problem – you said Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe – but Zelensky said it’s not poor enough. He said, you think this is something, wait until our new law takes effect. That’ll really show you what it means to be the poorest country in Europe.
But it’ll also be the richest country in Europe for the 1%. Because, as you just pointed out, the kleptocrat class there was the most corrupt. I’ve met some of them, and it’s an experience.

Gee, it sure does appear that the SMO is all about Human Rights after all as it’s very clear the Empire’s tool Zelensky wants to abolish all such rights to the applause of the Neoliberal Parasites on Wall Street, DC, London, and Brussels. Let’s see the troll and botwits argue against that. IMO, this paragraph form Hudson merits repeating and emphasizing:
You’ve got to read the Wall Street Journal editorial. It’s jaw dropping. It is absolutely – it’s like a parody of what a socialist would have written about how the class war would be put in into action by a fascist government. This is literally what fascism is.”
So trolls and botwits, tell us how Zelensky was lying about all that in the WSJ, how Ukraine will be a workers paradise like Chile was under Pinochet! Come on, give it your best shot!!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2022 22:52 utc | 441

Sorry, omitted the link, https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/08/michael-hudson-debt-inflation-ukraine-petrodollar/

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2022 22:54 utc | 442

never thought I would say that but since its so slient… anti f*** I guess its gonna be :*

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 23:02 utc | 443

@karlof1 #457, more useful would be a link to the WSJ editorial being discussed. I found this one, but it says literally nothing of what Hudson claims, so Zelensky must have written 2 in the same week. Thanks in advance.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/invest-in-the-future-of-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-stem-graduates-business-technology-sector-billions-partnerships-11662404585

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 23:06 utc | 444

@ GW | Sep 11 2022 23:05 utc | 459
your posts are quite consistent… you are like the new improved version of yenwoda i suppose… i don’t know if you are ever going to dig yourself out of this mess either.
petri and karlof1 – thanks for your posts…

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 23:14 utc | 445

@james #461, we should let @GW prove himself before lavishing such effusive praise on the man. A good first step would be dropping the “US/NATO is at fault” stuff, but I will admit he is off to a very decent start overall.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 23:18 utc | 446

as predicted, bots die on monday night haha

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 23:21 utc | 447

@karlof1 #457, more useful would be a link to the WSJ editorial being discussed. I found this one, but it says literally nothing of what Hudson claims, so Zelensky must have written 2 in the same week. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 23:06 utc | 460
Then you got the wrong link. Exactly what is the point you are trying to make Yen wo da? I saw this program on You Tube. What do you specifically disagree with? Please inform us because it covered a lot more than just one WSJ article.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 23:27 utc | 448

@ b
Might be better to ban “t”. Does anyone see any “value” in reading its posts arbitrarily wishing death or torture on someone? It’s a stupid distraction.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 11 2022 23:28 utc | 449

and just a thought .-,
sorry it was a trap – size never known vefore :3

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 23:29 utc | 450

Posted by: GW | Sep 11 2022 23:05 utc | 459
Well done O good and faithful Troll. That was quality trolling.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 23:35 utc | 451

good”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4″>good feeling for all of you

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 23:37 utc | 452

http__s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 11 2022 23:37 utc | 453

GW | Sep 11 2022 21:40 utc | 415
sounds like the talk of some US think tanker wanker wonks like Paul “the earth is flatter than you think” Nobel Krugs. no doubt some are coming up w/ this kind of stuff. “we’ll fund a new Marshall Plan for Europe! off the corpse of Russia!” wellie wellie well, sign Joe and Tom Cotton up. Amerikkka needs a finder’s fee for all this headhunting and scalping for temps.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 11 2022 23:40 utc | 454

karlof1
I don’t think we’ll see disaster capitalism play out in Ukraine. Ukrainian resources will be Russian.
Also the USD will finally become relatively useless after many years of supporting asset appreciation rather than productive goals. This will be a huge game changer. And it will happen at the same time that the new sheriff will expose multiple areas of corruption.

Posted by: financial matters | Sep 11 2022 23:40 utc | 455

I am copy-pasting the whole article, as RT is blocked in the EU. To bypass the censorship, use a non-EU DNS server like 1.1.1.1. (You can choose your DNS server in your browser or your network settings.)
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 11 2022 22:05 utc | 435
Actually, not everyone can do it in the browser or network settings. It took me some time to find out that Windows (and Firefox) insisted on using the DNS server configured in my DSL router.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 11 2022 23:50 utc | 456

Sun Tzu said that “security against defeat implies defensive tactics” while the “ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive”.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 11 2022 23:52 utc | 457

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 23:18 utc | 462
>A good first step would be dropping the “US/NATO is at fault” stuff, but I will admit he is off to a very decent start overall.
So you agree with @GW on this?
> As for Ukraine – a country with a hateful, ethno-chauvinist, scum political culture
If so, then we have a point we all agree with.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 11 2022 23:54 utc | 458

I wonder however what goals the Russians want to achieve with this action.
Posted by: alek_a | Sep 11 2022 18:58 utc | 307
I think they want to kick some Nazi ass.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 23:54 utc | 459

kudos to the trolls and all of their enablers for ruining this blog’s comment threads

Posted by: ld | Sep 11 2022 23:55 utc | 460

financial matters @472–
Agreed. Wall Street’s plans won’t bear fruit because Russia will triumph in its tasks. But that won’t keep the parasites from getting what they can while they can. Meanwhile, Russia can capitalize on the proposed enslavement. And again, what’s at the root of Russia’s SMO is protection of Human Rights–a Genuine R2P operation. From the outset, all the FUD and Fog was aimed at suppressing that fundamental fact. And that’s where the trolls and botwits fail for the facts are all Russian cards.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2022 0:01 utc | 461

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 11 2022 23:40 utc | 471
“It’s the Noo Wye.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFsq6h4-zrE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y83YQiznQQY

Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 12 2022 0:02 utc | 462

Dima is losing his shit. This evening I listened to about half of his broadcast. He claims that the Ukies next onslaught will be on Donetsk and the entire south of the country which was for some decades part of Ukraine SSR…a Frankenstein Monster created by the Bolsheviks and Soviets. He even goes so far as to assume that the Ukes will take the City of Donetsk and then hold a “referendum”( which under the threat. of Ukie Sondernkommandos) would vote to rejoin the Kiev regime.
One: Russian forces will defeat the Ukies on that front. One may expect that the heretofore invisible 3rd Corps, heavily armed with newest weaponry will smite them on that front. Even though the RF forces were engaged in a planned withdrawal even before the onslaught out of Kharkov; Dima did admit that mostly due to Russian artillery and aerial supremacy, the enemy lost some 2,000 men and perhaps three times that number wounded.
Two: Despite all the aid from NATOstani governments, the highly motivated and well-trained elements of Kiev’s forces have been decimated over the months. So their best troops are now fully horizontal. Will the conscripts manage to carry out a complex operation, even with NATO “advisors” directing their actions? Not highly likely.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 0:05 utc | 463

aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 10:01 utc | 43
The message that you created and which was lost by MOA timing you out can be avoided in future by first typing (and editing if necessary) your entire comment into a wordprocessor. Then, when you are satisfied with it, go to “Post a comment”, paste it in and submit it.

Posted by: Clover | Sep 12 2022 0:07 utc | 464

https://www.wsj.com/articles/invest-in-the-future-of-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-stem-graduates-business-technology-sector-billions-partnerships-11662404585
Opinion | Invest in the Future of Ukraine
Volodymyr Zelensky

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:10 utc | 465

@ 462
US/NATO is indeed completely at fault for provoking this conflict. I don’t know if you’re well read on post-Cold War history, but either way, I’d advise reading John Mearsheimer’s 2014 article, “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault.” You’ll see what I mean.
And Mearsheimer’s article is just for starters.

Posted by: GW | Sep 12 2022 0:12 utc | 466

Ukraine will no longer be satisfied with either the surrender of Crimea and Donbass by Russia, or reparations for the “invasion”. Kyiv, together with its Western allies, will seek the complete surrender and demilitarization of the Russian Federation,” Danilov, Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine.

Posted by: hankster | Sep 12 2022 0:13 utc | 467

aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 0:05 utc | 480
I gave up looking at his rubbish some time ago. I started off thinking he was good, but then something he said in one so called summary made me realize what he was up to.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:14 utc | 468

@aristodemos
Did he say this as a done deal, or he said they will try to do it?
But 2 k isn’t much KIA, to be honest. And the nazis have been sacrificing the territorial defense lambs are preserving their elite soldiers for a long time.
To be honest, I think what is working best for them is not even the western weapons. But the intelligence. Their satellite capabilities are great.
If, and I am just saying “IF”, the Russians would be kicked back of the South, it’s gonna be over. Too late for escalating and all that. So it is going to be a decisive battle. I hope the Russians know what is at the stake here. The nazis today openly mentioned their goal is to destroy Russia.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 0:15 utc | 469

Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:10 utc | 483
“i went into the wilderness and came out a rich man” (or something like that) Death of a Salesman. you bomb ’em, we’ll rebuild ’em.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:18 utc | 470

@Anthony What do you know of Russians? Have you seen their reaction in groups? Yuri Podoliak, Rybar…none is reacting the way you are saying.
Comment by Pobeda | September 10, 2022 at 11:22 |
Pobeda, what do YOU know about Russians? Are you Russian? I don’t recall if you’ve mentioned before whether or not you are Russian? If you are Russian, then you’re the first Russian that I’ve ever read that has mastered the use of the article in English. And I know a LOT of Russians. In fact, I used to edit and grade the theses of Russian scholars – and not one of them could get it right. Heck, look at Martyanov’s writings – brilliant guy, educated, full of fantastic insight, been living in the U.S. since the 90’s, and he still can’t get it straight. Just sayin’….

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 0:19 utc | 471

I’ve lost my faith. I’ve lost my patience.
Posted by: GW | Sep 12 2022 0:07 utc | 482

…proving you had neither to start with.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 12 2022 0:20 utc | 472

What looks to be the coming Ukraine offensive between Mariupol and Donetsk city will clear out the trolls and goodtime girls. The Ukies are gonna be stoked and keen to go after surprising themselves with what they think to be a win in Kharkov.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:22 utc | 473

It’s not Russia’s missiles, it’s 404 self-shelling.

Posted by: blueswede | Sep 12 2022 0:22 utc | 474

Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:10 utc | 483
i can’t be sure right now, but the openness with which war as a business venture is more openly discussed seems more…open…these days. did Richard “the dick” Cheney announce in the WSJ how much money he expected KBR to make off of a year’s worth of the Iraq war? I know Zelensky is proconsul and not VP but still. are we the sheeple so ovine that such announcements go unnoticed? what’s Ukraine for “yeah, you betcha”?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:25 utc | 475

@ scuppers
I am eastern Slav from the “new world” – none of the english speaking ones. I can’t say I am Russian, because my origin is actually Ukrainian, but I have always been a huge Slavophile and RUssophile, who thinks of Russians and Ukrainians as the same people – except for a few oblasts where Ukrainians have a very distinctive identity. So, despite being sad in the beginning of the conflict, for obvious reasons, it is not hard at all for me, as of now, to pick a side…
And yes, I speak both Ukrainian and Russian.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 0:25 utc | 476

I’ve heard much criticism of Putin from many pundits on the internet about how all this looks bad for the Russian media war, but Putin/Russia can never win with Western media anyway. It was the same even before Russia became a communist country due to the Great Game and British imperialism in India. Russia has always been projected as bad or evil. Personally, I think Putin doesn’t give a toss about what Western media says since he knows he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, just as it is with the Western propaganda over Xi Jinping and China.
Let’s face it, the media that is talked about, is only 19% of the world’s population, mainly white-skinned and Western, and they’ve just had a field day over reinforcing the good old British establishment of 19th Century minded British aristocratic ‘born to rule’ bullshit concerning the death of the British Queen. What a wall of propaganda. Watching the ceremony of passing over the sovereignty to Charles now King, it was full of a room of white-skinned privileged and aging men, a few women, and only a couple of individuals present that had darker skin. No far eastern Asiatic featured people at all. Among them were knighted war criminals (at least should be), possible paedophiles or supporters of such things, and everyone played along with the game. It was a re-instalment of right wing hierarchic politics and aristocrats partitioned from the lowly commoners. The French dealt more effectively with that centuries ago, and gave us left wing politics for the people.
I even heard that the Queen’s collection of honey bees had to be formally informed that they had a new King as master, it was so anachronistically medieval in nature, and there was much talking of ‘God’ as usual. God has always preferred the aristocratic classes. There is the famous British church hymn by Cecil Frances Alexander “All Things Bright and Beautiful” to confirm this in verse III that says:
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.
(God clearly prefers the rich and titled to rule, and they always claimed it to be the case).
Anyway – what a great distraction for the disasters facing Britain, Europe, and Ukraine! Pakistan and its current humanitarian disaster does not even exist with the media frenzy. I think it is perfectly fine to mourn the death of relatives, even Queens, but this was a reinforcement of “all people are equal, but some are more equal than others” as an extrapolation from Orwell’s Animal Farm.
Coming back to Putin, my view is that is the following a possible explanation for what is happening in eastern Ukraine?
The Russians left members of the Donbass reserves in charge of the front line well before Izium was taken, and they failed to inform or act fast enough. It was many days before the counter-offensive that it was known there was a military build up in the Kharkov region. None of us know as observers how much the forces in the Donbass and its people are pulling their weight in this war. It is the same with the mop-up and rebuilding operations. This is something that is rarely talked about as an additional job for the Russian forces and their support workers who de-mine and repair the massive destruction following the combat. Maybe for Putin this is a wake-up call to those of Donbass that Russia is there to help, and is willing to do most of the heavy military and economic lifting in all of the Ukraine intervention, but won’t be doing everything if Donbass and other pro-Russian regions do not help themselves or hold the line against the western Ukrainian forces and their promulgation of terror and fear tactics. Russian soldiers are dying.
Russia came to their aid due to the 8 years of planned attack and military preparation from the Ki’iv government. Ki’iv used the Minsk II agreement to gain time as they claimed, building up forces and increasing shelling and rocket fire well before Russian forces entered the country. The Russians intervened out of a sense of care for these people. I have no evidence to say they are not pulling their weight and I fully apologise if they are if I am mistaken. But if they are not, then this could be Putin’s megaphone call to do more at many levels, including taking more risk like the Russians are doing. He thus withdrew his own Russian soldiers to protect them.
Let’s also remember that going as far back as Napoleon’s failed effort to conquer Moscow, Russians even in those days used tactical retreats and often scorched-earth tactics using their own cities to eventually destroy their enemies. Napoleon found out the hard way.

Posted by: George | Sep 12 2022 0:26 utc | 477

rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:18 utc | 488
I haven’t bothered to read the crap written by green tee shirt man but I guess it will be something like that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:28 utc | 478

https://www.wsj.com/articles/invest-in-the-future-of-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-stem-graduates-business-technology-sector-billions-partnerships-11662404585
Opinion | Invest in the Future of Ukraine
Volodymyr Zelensky
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:10 utc | 483

Peter, when I bring up that page, it seems that all but the first two paragraphs of the piece are behind a paywall. Were you able to view the entire article?

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 12 2022 0:32 utc | 479

Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:10 utc | 483
behind a paywall, but you can get the Paul “i’m just a” Gigot take on Afghanistan for freez! and much more of the world war z for zelensky article if you are hearing impaired!
that’s right. you get 30% more of the WSJ’s “Zelensky’s WWZ is for Boeing” article if you are fucking blind!!!! (well, visually impaired, but still.)

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:35 utc | 480

South Front reports:
_________________________________
So far, the Russian military has waged a “soft” war, avoiding attacks on strategic infrastructure facilities in Ukraine in an attempt to minimize damage to the civilian population. Such a strategy has already slowed down the Russian advance on the battlefields and increased losses among the Russian military, since Kiev almost did not face obstacles when sending echelons with foreign military equipment and foreign mercenaries to the front line through the bridges on the Dnieper River which are also yet to be destroyed. Amid Russia’s recent losses in the Kharkiv region, the Russian military has probably switched to tougher methods of warfare, which are necessary for victory.
On the other hand, the Russian side is yet to confirm the attacks. There is a chance that Kiev struck at its own facilities in order to blame Russia for the attacks and justify military actions on the Russian territory, while Ukrainian forces are approaching the Russian border in the Kharkov region.
_______________________________

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 12 2022 0:35 utc | 481

yenwoda @ #374
Damn, had too much whiskey for the night. I don’t suppose you could just drop some GPS coordinates? All I’m getting at the mo is Kakhovka near Kherson.

Posted by: Krištof | Sep 12 2022 0:36 utc | 482

sorry, i meant visually impaired. the WSJ provides a means to listen to the article, if reading is a challenge. in theory, not a bad thing by any means. literacy is overrated, as any Dogberry knows.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:38 utc | 483

David Levin | Sep 12 2022 0:32 utc | 497
I have an app for firefox that automatically goes past paywalls and also signin walls if I use reader view as well. I have had it for a few weeks now and as to date it takes me past everything.
Resident troll yenwoda was complaining to karlof one that he couldn’t find it. About 2 seconds with a google. I haven’t bothered to read it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:38 utc | 484

@ t…Your hostility and wish for the murder of people has no place here at moa, regardless of anything worthwhile you might have to offer… i will skip your posts here forward…
James @ 412
Amen brother!
@ t: I have no love loss for Gonzolo, but based on your comment I think we all know who the loser is.
Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 21:45 utc | 418
yeah, disgusting posts by this loser.
In related news, research shows massive boost in posting by twitter bot accounts since the start of the SMO. It’s hard to escape the constant drum beat since the start of the Kharkov “counter-offensive” of posts saying that Putin is guilty of half-measures, the Russians need to take the gloves off, the Russians have no idea of what’s going on, don’t listen to b coz he’s a loser, don’t listen to Martyanov coz he’s a loser, don’t listen to anyone that isn’t panicking coz they’re losers etc., etc. Why it’s almost like there is a coordinated effort to drive that message home…
Meanwhile: the mills of Putin grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small; though with patience he stands waiting, With exactness grinds he all. 😉

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 0:43 utc | 485

Karlof1 @453
Yes, I read this same text on Unz where I now post only semi-regularly…when Unz decides to feature Hudson and a few others such as Giraldi and Escobar. My take from this and from the fact that terrorist corporations such as Monsanto have bought up huge chunks of Ukrainian farm-land and are going balls to the walls with GMO’s and chemical warfare on the biosphere. These corporocrats are mostly psychopaths and sociopaths in their top rungs. Evil people.
So Russia’s task grows exponentially, in the case of PianoDick’s sellout, as per Kolomaisky’s orders; the Ukrainian people are being subsumed to the worst possible form of serfdom while their precious, productive soil will be rendered into a biotic desert in just a few years time.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 0:47 utc | 486

rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:35 utc | 499
stop making the busy and paying news consumer the equivalent of you/us fiscal retards worrying about pay walls and such! be grateful for the news scraps you get, ungrateful dogs!
how much energy the West expends hiding what it’s doing and punishing the luciferian light bearers…do russians and chinese recruit teenage girls to go fight the jihadis they created? not even in Xinjiang. every nationalist project is itself a recruitment scam of the old exploiting the young, but still. ISIS? Al Qaeda? Azov?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Sep 12 2022 0:50 utc | 487

GW @ 459
You are becoming tiresome in your rants against the enemy of the enemies of humanity. So it becomes glaringly evident that you are either an intel rat or a Ukie troll. Fess up. Which of the two are you? People should not receive paychecks for whoring for the Evil Empire.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 0:51 utc | 488

Here’s the first paragraph of the WSJ article that is coupled to Zelensky’s name.

Today, with the introduction of Advantage Ukraine, I am delivering on that promise. I invite foreign investors and companies with ambition to see the advantage in investing in the future of Ukraine, and to recognize the tremendous growth potential our country presents. We have already identified options for more than $400 billion of potential investment, which reach from public-private partnerships to privatization and private ventures. With the support of the U.S. Agency for International Development, we have formed a project team of investment bankers and researchers, appointed by Ukraine’s Economy Ministry, that will work with businesses interested in investing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:52 utc | 489

Mel’s choir at 467
Snark. If you were worth my time, I’d happily take you on. But as either a Ukie troll or an intel whore, you do not quite qualify.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 0:55 utc | 490

@Peter AU1, you are too dense to be a real person. It must be an act.
I was making fun of @karlof1’s enthusiasm for that notorious bullshitter Hudson, who made up a bunch of stuff that Zelensky supposedly wrote but didn’t. Go back and look at the comment and you’ll see I put the same exact link as you. LOL.
@GW #484, I’m very familiar with Mearsheimer’s arguments and think they’re unconvincing. But that’s because I don’t subscribe to the foreign policy school that argues “Great Powers” deserve a natural sphere of influence where they get to play bully boy. NATO expanded because the iron curtain fell and a lot of countries that used to be Warsaw Pact felt they had been badly used when they were part of the “Russian world”. Go watch the classic Polish comedies from the ’80s, they *fucking hated* that their lives were ruled by meaningless bureaucracy and any bit of individual striving was stamped out.
So no more alliance with Russia. That’s just blowback, that the USSR could have prevented with better policies. But of course they would have zero security without allies, so they sought out NATO. There is no natural law in the world stating that the West must act at all times to prevent Russia’s security from being marginally degraded. And no natural law stating that it’s fine and ethical for Russia to use whatever force it wants to prevent that. I totally reject the premise. It’s the same logic that the US followed to destabilize and sponsor proxy wars ad nauseam in South/Central America.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 12 2022 0:57 utc | 491

Oh, my god. LOL. 23 main battle tanks and 23 BMPs captured in one day. I guess they all just piled into Urals to flee? I mean execute the pre-planned strategic regrouping.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 202
2 21:59 utc | 430
Oh, my god. Cuntwoda (aka CW) posts another link from a Bellingcrap contributor! Color me surprised Meanwhile, on planet earth, the Ukrop forces suffer over 8000 casualties in 5 days of their “counter-offensive,” which exceeds by an order of magnitude of 4 the daily losses of the British in the battle of the Somme. Gee CW, maybe when the Ukrops reach Moscow, they’ll make you Gauleiter for all your dedication

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 0:57 utc | 492

Clover @481
Thanks for your concern. As a soon to be 78 Y.O. technophobe, I have yet to explore word-processors. I get very frustrated with new technocollogical tasks. Perhaps I can hire some younger person to run me through the steps as I write them down. Writing things down helps me to remember things even without latterly referencing the notes.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:02 utc | 493

Been reading here for a long time without ever posting…
1) the last few days have sure seen a lot of folks out themselves as being trolls, true believers of the Western MSM/CIA propaganda. Cheer leaders.
2) the attack on the power grid/power generation infrastructure may not be that extensive. From all of the videos, photos, anecdotal reports and official pronouncements available – I am not convinced that they won’t re-configure the grid and restore power shortly. Possibly back on in just hours and days not weeks. Do the Russian’s have the capability to turn the lights out for good? Most certainly yes. See #3 below.
3) the time for “going easy” and the Russian’s using a light hand is hopefully over. No more half measures. Hopefully…

Posted by: Just Observing | Sep 12 2022 1:03 utc | 494

GW @ 482
Looks like crocodile tears to me. Many would describe you as a concern troll. Just do not troll in troubled waters. A big crock might upset your boat and bite your derriere.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:04 utc | 495

UA has declared total war.
Ok… Just blow up every hydropower and thermal station in UA and see how they recover from that since they like to brag about it. There’s probably something like 20 thermal and 8 hydrostorage reservoirs in total.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2022 1:06 utc | 496

@ Just Observing
Out of the 4 power plants damaged, I read one was beyond repair, while the other 3 were/will eventually be fixed soon enough. I did some research and, apparently, it is not out of this world for the Russians to put the other 3 and more out of business for good – meaning unable to repair for monthes, or maybe even over a year. There is also the plus side that Russians built all those plants, so if they are heavily damaged, it is unlike the Ukrainians can/will have the spare parts to do it in any timely manner.
I hope this is a new phase of the war, but I don’t want to set my expectations high, as Putin loves those half measures.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 12 2022 1:09 utc | 497

Pobeda @487
It’s not highly probable in this onslaught that the casualties were mostly the “sacrificial lambs” of their Territorial conscripts. That was the case in the Kherson area and consistently so recently in the Donbass. The Kharkov assault was carried out by no fewer than three armored brigades and obviously included some thousands of Natostani forces—in other words, the enemy’s A-Team.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 12 2022 1:10 utc | 498

Posted by: GW | Sep 11 2022 23:05 utc | 459

I don’t know if Russia will ever dig itself out of this mess. Not for generations, if ever.

Controlled opposition concern troll spotted.
You guys are always so transparent.
I figured you out from first post.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 12 2022 1:11 utc | 499

Resident troll yenwoda was complaining to karlof one that he couldn’t find it. About 2 seconds with a google. I haven’t bothered to read it.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 12 2022 0:38 utc | 503
but wait, CW swore that he had Google Skills…I even warned b about them… 😀

Posted by: scuppers | Sep 12 2022 1:13 utc | 500