Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 11, 2022
The Izium Withdrawal – A Catalyst For ‘Starting In Earnest’

"We can say that today was the best ever, the second best ever, day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine. Something must be changed. If you ask what the Russian should change, to tell the truth, I don't know. But I believe, if they don't change anything after this situation, that means there is no need to continue this Special Operation. Because the Ukrainians managed to collect a big number of infantry. Some sources are saying, joking of course they are joking, that now the Ukrainians these days have a so big army that the Ukrainian authorities can give them just stones. And this army is able to crack the Russians' defense order just with stones because there are so much of them."

The above is the opener of Dima's Military Summary of yesterday's events in Ukraine.

The simplistic view that "quantity has a quality of its own," is usually attributed to Joseph Stalin, the Georgian leader of the Soviet Union during the second World War (as well as before and after).

Stalin was wrong, as the Second Battle of Kharkov, mentioned here yesterday, provides. In May 1942, near Izium, the Nazis thoroughly defeated a counterattacking Soviet force twice their forces size.

Stalin was also right. In the end the Soviet Union simply outproduced the German Reich and its allies in nearly everything – tanks, airplanes, cannons, ammunition, fuel, food and soldiers – which enabled its victory. (The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.)

Yesterday's Russian withdrawal from the region between Izium and the Russian border was a disaster for the (pro-)Russian people on the ground. It was also the rational consequence of a lack of military resources. The Russian military forces in Ukraine are too few to hold the 1,500 kilometer long frontline against a Ukrainian military which now has a.) a much larger force to work with, b.) no concerns about high human losses and c.) a steady supply of 'western' weapons.

Russia must adapt to this.

The most mentioned demand in the pro-Russian commentariat yesterday was to "take off the gloves" – to seriously interdict 'western' deliveries of weapons, to destroy Ukrainian bridges and other dual-use infrastructure, to switch from a 'Special Military Operation' towards war.

Why hasn't the Russia's political leadership done this yet?

After observing it for two decades I have concluded that the Russian political leadership, foremost its current leader Vladimir Putin, is driven by two guiding principles. The first is to follow the will of the people. The second are rational policies. The high ratings of Putin and other political leaders have in independent Russian polls is not by chance. It is the result of policies that are a.) rational and well explained and b.) thoroughly democratic in that they follow the public opinion of the majority of the people. They do not allow particular interest groups to have an oversized influence on it.

This can best be seen in the war Putin waged against those billionaires who, in the 1990s and early 2000nds, tried to enter politics to prioritize their interests over all others. They were defeated and those who didn't flee to London have since stopped to interfere with the state.

The other group that traditionally had an oversized role in Russia, especially during the Cold War, is the military-industrial complex. It shrank during Yeltsin's rule due to the catastrophic financial consequences of his mislead privatization drive. Under Putin the Russian military was somewhat resurrected, rearmed and sufficiently resourced. But it was also tamed. Under Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of Staff Gerasimov the priority of general state policies over perceived military needs is no longer questionable.

The biggest opponents to Putin's policies are the nationalist, not the 'western' favored 'liberal' clowns like Navalny. The nationalists can be found on the political left, right and center. They are not well organized but have a voice throughout the political spectrum. (The former President Dimitri Medvedev currently plays to that audience.) The nationalists even have a voice in public media.

Here are Gilbert Doctorow's observations of their recent position discussed in prominent Russian talk shows:

For his part, Vladimir Solovyov went beyond presentation of the threat posed by the United States and its allies to analysis of Russia’s possible response. He spoke at length, and we may assume that what he was saying had the direct approval of the Kremlin, ..

So, what did Solovyov have to say? First, that Ramstein marked a new stage in the war, because of the more threatening nature of the weapons systems announced for delivery, such as missiles with accuracy of 1 to 2 meters when fired from distances of 20 or 30 kilometers thanks to their GPS-guided flight, in contrast to the laser-guided missiles delivered to Ukraine up till now. In the same category, there are weapons designed to destroy the Russians’ radar systems used for directing artillery fire. Second, that Ramstein marked the further expansion of the coalition or holy crusade waging war on Russia. Third, that in effect this is no longer a proxy war but a real direct war with NATO and should be prosecuted with appropriate mustering of all resources at home and abroad.

Said Solovyov, Russia should throw off constraints and destroy the Ukrainian dual use infrastructure which makes it possible to move Western weapons across the country to the front. The railway system, the bridges, the electricity generating stations all should become fair targets. Moreover, Kiev should no longer be spared missile strikes and destruction of the ministries and presidential apparatus responsible for prosecution of the war. I note that these ideas were aired on the Solovyov program more than a month ago but then disappeared from view while the Russians were making great gains on the ground. The latest setbacks and the new risks associated with the Western policies set out at Ramstein bring them to the surface again.

The recent Ramstein meeting promised "long term assistance" to the Ukraine and announced weapon transfers of new quality.

In the view of the nationalists in Russia it requires a response. Russia, in their view, needs to escalate.

The Kremlin was and is extremely averse to Russian casualties. In this war it prioritizes Russian lives over everything else. That has worked well during the first months of the war. In my estimate the Russian casualties so far were about one tenth of the Ukrainian ones. But the Ukrainian leadership has never cared about casualty numbers. The issue thus does not really matter to it.

Russia had set out to 'demilitarize' and to 'denazify' the Ukraine. The main geographic priority was to liberate the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. The land corridor to Crimea, and the very Russian city of Mariupol, were also important targets.

The demilitarization, mostly by long range weapons, has worked well. The Ukraine no longer has a defense industry. The de-nazification is an ongoing process. The fascist 'nationalist' units like the Azov battalions and their brethren in the Kraken and other groups have been decimated.

The first phase of the war was about pushing the Ukrainian government into an early agreement. The threat to Kiev was designed to achieve that. It nearly worked. At the end of March Kiev agreed to fulfill Russian demands. Then Boris Johnson was sent to push for prolonging the war to "weaken Russia". The Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has since obeyed that order.

Russia pulled back from Kiev and started phase two of the war. Since then the Luhansk oblast and the land corridor to Crimea, especially Mariupol, have been won. The liberation of the Donetsk Republic has stalled. The number of Russian and allied forces fighting the war was kept steady or even decreased over time. Meanwhile the Ukrainian forces have grown manifold. They are getting a very significant amount of arms from 'western' sources and new promises to keep those supplies coming. Even when they are armed to a lesser degree, higher numbers of men do matter over time.

This made potentially costly defeats, like recently at the Izium front, possible. The Russian military has readjusted to this threat by decreasing the held territory and by concentrating on the original aims of the war.

The Russian public, which at first did not fully understand why the war was necessary, has since grown in its awareness. It now understands the big game that is played against its country. It may soon demand to adjust the level of resources put into the war to the one needed for a decisive victory. Polls will clarify if or when that point is reached.

That is why Dima concludes that: "We can say that today was the best ever [..] day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine."

It is now probably assured that they will be liberated. One way or another.

I also believe that the withdrawal from the Izium region, which left behind a significant number of pro-Russian civilians under deadly threats from fascist 'filtration' groups, will be the catalyst for a significant escalation on the Russian side.

I may, like so often, be wrong. There is still an intermediate play to come. The 3rd Russian Corps, formed from well paid reservists, armed with new weapons and now reportedly deployed south of the Donbas region, might be a game changer. If it moves north, and manages to role up the Ukrainian fortifications at the Donetsk line from behind, it may become the decisive force. But the establishment of the mobile Ukrainian forces that in recent days moved, largely unopposed, towards the Oskol river, is a new card which the Ukrainians can play again against any weak spot in the Russian lines.

The Russian public, softly led by the Kremlin through Russian media, is now likely to demand more. The question then is how much more. It must not mean the total mobilization of the Russian military. 'Western' claims that Russia is isolated are wrong. It has many friends it can call upon to contribute to its efforts. Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities.

Time is always the third force on the battlefield. Both opponents have to play against, or ally with it. Europe is currently starving itself by boycotting Russian energy resources. That is unsustainable and it will, over time, have to stop following its current U.S. directed policies. Economically the Ukraine is broke and it can not, despite foreign subsidies, sustain a long war. There are also potential political changes within the U.S. that will play a role. The long game favors Russia.

Still, the war must be won on Ukrainian grounds. Russia must up its game. On July 7, in a session with Duma leaders and party factions heads, Putin said:

Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can I say? Let them try. We have already heard a lot about the West wanting to fight us ”to the last Ukrainian.“ This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but that seems to be where it is going. But everyone should know that, by and large, we have not started anything in earnest yet.

Well, maybe now is the time to do so.

Comments

Kadyrov suggests that Putin may not understand what events are unfolding in the “SMO”

– Posted by Yenwoda not understanding what Kadyrov says nor knowing what Putin thinks.

Some days back, I made a joke here . . .

Has he made a post here that isn’t?

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 11 2022 16:07 utc | 201

Posted by: AIBMS | Sep 11 2022 13:50 utc | 147
AIBMS wtf ?
USMIL x 8 ?
RU a BOT ?
ynoT

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 11 2022 16:08 utc | 202

China is going through internal stress, whether by accident or design. Banking lock-outs, real estate crashes, huge numbers of tens of millions strictly locked down, a first in world history. I ordered some tea from Shanghai a few months ago when the lock-downs there had just started. The owner told me they could only go to their business one half-day a week and instead of daily shipment availability it was once a fortnight, and this sort of thing was true for all exporters. Since then hundreds of millions have been locked down in series I believe.
Someone with a suspicious, distrustful and deeply cynical perspective like myself might suggest that this is all part of a collapse plan, that they are both getting their people ready for war – biowarfare – and also breaking supply chains to the West under cover of medical emergency. But of course this might be over-thinking. In any case, they are going through a huge internal slow-down right now for whatever reason and I suspect this is why Russia is not leaning on them so much.
Also: we have no evidence that Russia has any supply problems yet, do we? And NK is chomping at the bit to help: that way their soldiers will get fed properly if nothing else!
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 15:40 utc | 194

China is locking down because it is the only competent government out there that takes science seriously. If you weren’t a scientifically illiterate ignoramus, and you actually understood what this virus does to people, even if they don’t die directly from it the firs time, and the fact that will be coming back to infect you again annually from here on, you would be screaming for death sentences for all Western government leaders who let the virus run loose, for they committed deliberate mass murder on an unprecedented in human history scale, and the 20M+ dead so far are only the start.
The problem is that Putin did exactly the same, and this is directly tied to what is happening right now. Clearly the lives of Russians don’t matter for him, as he callously let 1.25M of them perish from a preventable infectious disease by refusing to follow the Chinese model (which would have also had the great side benefit of preparing society for the war that everyone knew for many years was inevitably coming), so why is it surprising that Russians in Kharkov were abandoned to the mercy of Nazi death squads?
Meanwhile the US command and control centers in Odessa, Kiev, Lvov, etc. are untouched to this day…

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 16:15 utc | 203

Martina
Russia have no other way than to retreat to a defeating peace deal or risk an even harder failure on the battlefield – unless they change goal and strategy. As I said in this or the earlier thread, the only russian goal should have been to secure Donbass independence, that would be rational and 100% possible, now they risk to lose everything. Who thought that 1 Ukraine would be able to bomb Crimea multiple times and 2 that there was no reaction by Russia for example?
That is what I meant by Vietnam, US had not planned their invasion properly, Russia risks drifting toward the same route.
And why should Russia somehow be prepared for the winter? They havent been prepared for anything regarding this invasion.
Ukraine have no problem getting gear, weapons for the winter from the west, especially after their latest successfull offensive.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 16:15 utc | 204

I do remember Putin saying “Fifty years ago, the streets of Leningrad taught me one thing: If a fight’s inevitable, you must strike first punch” I have been wondering, when is he ever going to feel like he’s in a fight??

Posted by: Nick | Sep 11 2022 16:17 utc | 205

This Dima guy is a complete moron

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2022 16:18 utc | 206

Martina
Russia have no other way than to retreat to a defeating peace deal or risk an even harder failure on the battlefield – unless they change goal and strategy. As I said in this or the earlier thread, the only russian goal should have been to secure Donbass independence, that would be rational and 100% possible, now they risk to lose everything. Who thought that 1 Ukraine would be able to bomb Crimea multiple times and 2 that there was no reaction by Russia for example?
Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 16:15 utc | 205

The lack of reaction at this point smells of treason.
The attacks on Crimea crossed any imaginable and previously declared red lines, and there was no response.
We know it is not for lack of capability – hundreds of cruise missiles have hit various targets in Ukrainian cities in the month since then. Zelensky, all of the Ukrainian government and legislature, military command, SBU command, and all the NATO bases in the country etc. could have been evaporated by those missiles several times over.
Instead not only were they not touched as a response, but tens of thousands of troops were allowed to concentrate and execute a largely unopposed massive offensive.
Seriously, WTF?
What were all those missiles spent on?
P.S. Donbass independence alone cannot be the Russian goal. That means a likely nuclear armed militantly anti-Russian Ukraine that will start another war sooner rather than later. The only outcome for the Russians that is not a total defeat is complete dismantling of the Ukrainian state and eventual de-Ukrainization of the population. Otherwise what will happen is not only a completion of the (very successfully ongoing already) de-Russification of Ukraine, but dismemberment of Russia itself.
When the war started, Putin’s speeches (and other statements over the years) gave the impression that he understands very well what the stakes are. But here we are now…

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 16:23 utc | 207

Re: the ‘optics’,
“… of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine. […]”
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.07038.pdfthe
Sidney, Australia, researchers shine a light on the work of The Father of Lies.

Posted by: Nancy | Sep 11 2022 16:25 utc | 208

@Tbx | Sep 11 2022 16:23 utc | 208
Paint thinner is bad for you

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2022 16:25 utc | 209

12k dead and wounded plus >2k dead from all other areas looks like good 3 days to me.
Next week everyone in the suicide group will be dead or running home.

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2022 16:28 utc | 210

Also, Alex C. at Duran, few hours ago, in a great blog, mentioned that photos of the stuff the Russians left behind has been debunked as from other times/places, with Ukie et al materials identified in the pile.

Posted by: Nancy | Sep 11 2022 16:29 utc | 211

Intel Slava reported..
In connection with the ongoing shelling, the last operating power unit of the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant was stopped today.
In connection with the ongoing shelling from Ukraine and the threat of terrorist attacks from the Ukrainian authorities, the ZNPP power units were transferred to a cold mode.

Thank goodness, that is a smart move.
Martina @ 199
Not only the winter clothing but rainy season and the muck on the roads for resupplying an over extended force. That may have been part of the equation.
Greek shipowners rush to transport Russian oil before European sanctions are applied
“The Greek shipowner community, whose ships mostly sail under non-European flags, thinks that weaponizing trade is a big mistake,” explains Anestis.
“Given this community’s history of surviving and even flourishing in turbulent times, it’s no surprise that they are ready to adjust to the compartmentalization of commerce.
It is also easy to predict that new insurance companies will emerge outside the EU and the UK to cover non-European vessels”,
In fact, legal export methods are already beginning to be tested, which exploit the limits of the sanctioning framework.

Interesting, the EU prints Euros that ends up in Russian once traded for Rubles and they will probably look the other way to buy Russian oil on Greek tankers flagged under a non EU entity in violation of their own sanctions.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 16:35 utc | 212

Hello. I am following ur site since two months. It is one of my favourite informaiton sources with thesaker for the development in Ukraine. MSM in Austria is cheering about great Nazi success. The happening of past days have really fläshed me. Russia must finally wake up otherwise the enemy will crush the Russian Federation. Its still not too late to start a real Great Fatherland War.
There is no little bit war either u go full scale or u leave it.
Its not anymore a question of denazification but prevent destruction of RF!!!
The key is Ukraine as nation must disappear with all the nazi key players and their follower.
Ukraine as nation will be always used to destroy Russia now after the recent victories more than ever.
Russia must destroy Ukraine before they will destroy Russia.
There is NO OTHER SOLUTION ANYMORE

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 11 2022 16:35 utc | 213

Posted by: Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 142
The giveaway is that the lion’s share of escalation baiting has been coming from the west from the outset. It’s picking up in the pro-RF sphere only due to a kind of frustration as the apparent slow pace, on which I share all your conjectures.
Too decisive a blow against UA-NATO Axis forces or too heavy a toll of Axis casualties might embarrass a shabby, electorally vulnerable Biden into rash escalation. Neocon crazies are looking for any excuse to escalate because they are well aware that only the fabulous loot and plunder of empire is rich enough to fund negative-sum outliers like themselves.
Slow and “boring” wherever possible, draw Axis forces to where they can be engaged with standoff systems. Avoiding escalation of pace, target, technology or location, wherever possible.
For the most part, RF is still offering Z a face-saving way out via negotiations, RF will know as well as anyone that Z is a well-paid slave with a gun at his back and only a veneer of agency, but the offer is there for the rest of the world to see.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 11 2022 16:40 utc | 214

Posted by: Nancy | Sep 11 2022 16:29 utc | 212
Also, the myth about Donetsk airport being taken over by the AFU has been debunked as well.
All the lies are coming apart in the light of day.
We’re about to see a mass retreat of trolls from this site…

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 16:40 utc | 215

Posted by: Nancy | Sep 11 2022 16:29 utc | 212
Also, the myth about Donetsk airport being taken over by the AFU has been debunked as well.
All the lies are coming apart in the light of day.
We’re about to see a mass retreat of trolls from this site…

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 16:40 utc | 216

@S.O. ≥I’d wait until NATO has removed it’s mask and poured as much material and men into that gap as possible
You have no idea how many men and how much material NATO has been pouring into ukraine lately
@Bingeinton So you close off ukraine’s “western borders”. You obviously never have been to Ukraine. A real expert.

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 11 2022 16:43 utc | 217

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 16:15 utc | 204
This is a very good point!
Fighting Covid like the Chinese is a preparation for bio warfare. Absolutely. China is so superior because it is the only nation of the world that really wants to base its decisions on scientific results. Xi is permantly stressing this, but nobody understands what that means. The European Enlightenment will be continued by China. After moving west over hundreds of years the spirit of knowledge finally gets back where it startet.
And the Russians retreat leaving the people behind without evacuation – if this is true – is a cynical move.

Posted by: njet | Sep 11 2022 16:47 utc | 218

thanks b… appreciate your overview and perspective….
i also enjoyed the first 20 comments or so, and the fact this thread doesn’t seem to be swamped with newbie bozos… i especially appreciated @ Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 11 2022 8:28 utc | 18 post…. perhaps those who are in a hurry to rant here on what russia did or didn’t do according to them, would like to answer the questions posed @ 18 first…

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 16:48 utc | 219

RF knows NATO/pentagon are ALSO waiting. RF didnt go in soft only to avoid mass civilian damage/loss of life…but to not show its hand. this entire conflict is about who can perform a role the longest in costume in order to maintain political legitimacy. without removing the political mask. when the gloves are off, the masks come off.
RF knows Washington wants RF to escalate. Washington wants to escalate in response. these are the only two things you need to rememember to understand this war. not logistics. not operational planning. not history. both sides are fully capable of destroying the other and the planet. so between two peer nuclear powers teetering together in embrace at the crossroads of history, nothing matters except who will first resort to biting the other. this is everything.

Posted by: Therion | Sep 11 2022 16:50 utc | 220

thanks, oleg @6!
great to hear from you. and you also have many all over the world so much for you all. thank you for your losses that may save the world from the grips of those who want broken slaves, who push their synthetic foods and synthetic chips implanted, who want total dominion. we are behind you. the most i can do is share an article with someone that i think just might have an open enough mind to read it.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 11 2022 16:52 utc | 221

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 16:23 utc | 208
“The lack of reaction at this point smells of treason”
– Yes lack of reaction is strange…..Quick reactions re nowdays the key for victory in military but also economic fields
“Donbass independence alone cannot be the Russian goal. ”
– Yes goals must be redefined. Ukraine as nation must disappear…..sorry it sounds hard but i dont see other way
Mistakes have been made. But its still not too late change strategy and go really all in war and crash Ukraine as nation first. That means in a first wave u take out key people in Kiev and all major cities, infrastructure, Telecommunication, railway, Power plants, industrial facilities, port of odessa, airports, ……….
Denazification of population and military u can always do ones u ve occupied complete Ukraine.
I know occupation is expensive and needs lots of ressources.
But Russia already has spent and lost so much money and ressources for the ineffective SMO that they could occupy Ukraine 10 times.
Just remember that assets of the Russian central bank worth around 300 billion dollars what have been frozen.
Only with this money u could occupy Ukraine and complete EU for minimum two years.
BTW Ukraine plans to seek exactly this amount $300 billion in war reparations from Russia, Ukrainian Justice Minister Denis Malyuska told the German MSM.
U see this will never end with only securing Donbass and Crimea.
The enemies HAVE TASTED RUSSIAN BLOOD AND WANT NOW TO ABSORB ALL BLOOD FROM THE DIORIENTED RUSSIAN BODY LIKE A VAMPIR
Hopefully Putin will change the strategy and start to crash Ukraine as nation with a full scale war because only a police operation with less manpower is really not effective for this anti russian VAMPIR COALTION

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 11 2022 16:53 utc | 222

This classic video from Maidan 2014 describes the current situation almost as well.
https://youtu.be/JDLq_hH13GI
Were the Russians caught flat footed and out of step then? Are they now? Nuland, Pyatt, the CIA and assorted EU Operation Gladio types called the tune then.
Who is calling the tune now?
None of us here are close enough to the dance floor to know for certain.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 11 2022 16:54 utc | 223

The administration of the Volchansky district reports that #RussianArmy is leaving Volchansk. Collapse!
Earlier today #UkrainianArmy crossed the Seversky Donets river and began to advance in this direction. The city is located just 5km from the 🇺🇦-🇷🇺 border.

https://twitter.com/ahuramazda3g/status/1568612667891269632?s=21
b’s hopium vs reality. Putin will have to sue for peace before the war lands inside Russia and will have to give up all captured Ukrainian territory. Maybe even Crimea as Ukraine can withhold all the water. The real question is will he survive this military disaster where the whole world sees the reality of how weak the Russian military is in actuality. None of the perception of Russian military strength has proven correct. Their hypersonic missiles and supposedly superior fighter aircraft. They still don’t have air superiority nor have they prevented Ukrainian air assets from deploying. Now they have a tactical battlefield defeat. Morale of the Russian soldiers must be crushed and their willingness to fight drastically eroded. Those stuck in the southern Kherson region slowly strangled as no large resupply possible.
The Chinese communists will be looking at this carefully and hedging their bets. Putin will have to focus on his political survival as his opponents gather strength on the back of this military disaster. The perception of Russian military strength now shattered when they couldn’t even take down Ukraine, let alone take down the Baltics or Poland.

Posted by: James Petros | Sep 11 2022 16:56 utc | 224

According to reports, the nazis will soon move into Ugledar and Kherson. They are openly saying nothing sort of 1991 borders is acceptable and are even talking about toppling Russian goverment.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 11 2022 16:58 utc | 225

sorely needed that, moaobserver @13. love those chechens!

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 11 2022 16:58 utc | 226

The result of the recent Russian Izyum defeat is that renewed Russian emphasis will be directed toward taking all of the Donbas. Obviously, the Russian mobilization to take the Donbas will not be coming from the North Western area of Izyum.
Yet, that Russian mobilization will come and most likely will come quickly.
Ukraine’s two offenses of Kharkov and of Kherson have pulled a lot of resources out of the Donbas. All Russia has to do is to regroup its forces in or towards the Donbas and this area could quickly be taken.
I think this will occur by the end of October. The taking of Donetsk could be the 3rd rib of the Russian Bear as defined in Daniel 7:5. If so, then Donetsk will not be the end of the destruction that the Russian Bear brings to the USA and its allies.

Posted by: young | Sep 11 2022 17:01 utc | 227

Circumspect @213
Perfidious Albion is the country which needs to be destroyed. Britain as an entire entity? Nah. Hypersonic missiles to specifically target City of London, a small, covertly independent enclave within massive metropolitan London. It is precisely there where maritime insurance rates are set. Currently, the boffins in the City enjoy a monopoly on that front. Interestingly, the planet’s metals markets and rates are also controlled from that bastion of power. Ditto, the precious metals, specifically gold, silver and platinum.
News and information. Founded in the mid-late 19th Century by the ruling Rottenchild Crime Clan (also known as the Crown) formed the world’s #1 information station, Reuters. It remains their private bailiwick, but not necessarily to include Thompson-Reuters, evidently a Canadian concern.
Highest finance. Ever since one of the five Rottenchild brothers broke the Bank of England immediately upon Wellington’s victory over Napoleon at Waterloo; that Khazarian family concern has not only owned that institution but also the central banks in all the Five Eyes (including the “Federal” Reserve in the U$$A) as well as being dominant in the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the controlling Bank of International Settlements in previously neutral Switzerland.
It is City of London, seconded by Wall $treet, which ultimately cuts the orders for the entire Western Cabal. If the Russians feel the need to get dead serious, strictly kinetic (no nukes) will serve the purpose of cutting off the head of the Octopus.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:01 utc | 228

@Sean #187:

Why? Why not just withdraw back to Minsk treaty line, end the war and stop the slaughter?

The slaughter began in April 2014, when the Ukrainian Nationalist regime installed in Kiev by Western powers via a bloody anti-democratic coup⁠ (that culminated in a false flag massacre of protesters pinned on Yanukovich⁠) sent troops against residents of Donbass who were protesting both the illegality of the coup and the fact that it put Ukrainian Nationalists, direct successors of Nazi collaborators, in power. That’s when the war and the slaughter began.
Russia said “no” to Donbass’s May 2014 attempt to join Russia and instead proposed an agreement that would give Donbass autonomy within the Ukraine in the areas of economy (continued trade with Russia), internal security (autonomous police force) and culture (ability to speak and study Russian language, no whitewashing and glorification of Nazis and no Russophobia in school textbooks)—all in all, very modest concessions that the Ukraine had to make to end the conflict. But Ukrainian Nationalists, whom you are supporting, very much prefer killing Donbass civilians (“weak race of slaves”) rather than acting in a democratic way by allowing them their fundamental rights.
So why don’t you kindly fuck off with your fake pacifism?

Posted by: S | Sep 11 2022 17:04 utc | 229

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 11 2022 11:50 utc | 91
“As Saker wrote
we are all observing the same thing: there is an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE PSYOP operation being executed in support of the Kiev regime (and NATO and the Neocons). The Russian segment of Telegram is literally flooded with fake Russian channels all doing the same thing: trying as hard as can be to create a total panic.”
I have massive respect for The Saker and b.
I am getting a bit past it now (I am 10 years older than The Saker and Craig Murray – but younger than b, who doesn’t seem to have lost any of his marbles unlike me)
I won’t bore you with my history of playing with bots in 1976 at icl West Gorton Manchester & Bracknell England (we were 10 years ahead of the fud guys at ibm, especially with our dap and virtual addressing and virtual machines), but if anything the bots rather than getting better, are getting even worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICL_Distributed_Array_Processor
An earthworm has far more intelligence than a computer will ever have.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 11 2022 17:05 utc | 230

Russia must have millions of dumb artillery rounds. Every pic or video I see of a battlefield is covered with hundreds of craters. Seems the Russians can send as many shells as like at even a few enemy armored vehicles. They probably don’t cost the Russians much to pump these out. Tanks cost much more. Another thing I noticed. The Ukrainians soldiers have new helmets equipped to attach night vision goggles. I have yet to see one of them with the NVG attached. Maybe I just missed it. I was an armor crewman in the US Army a long time ago. We can sit here and type all day, but the soldiers have to deal with a lot. Tanks are noisy, they’re usually not comfortable, you’re not getting much if any sleep, food sucks, the weather sucks, and somebody’s trying to kill you. Let’s ease up on the troops.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 11 2022 17:05 utc | 231

Should have carefully self-edited in the 17:01 posting. Correction being that the agency of delivery upon the City would be Russia’s hypersonic missiles. From all accounts, they are unstoppable. City of London obliterated would bring the power nexus within the entire Western world to a screeching halt. Who would pick up the pieces? That would remain to be seen. Thus, without resorting to nukes, Russia could disrupt the entire Western politico-economic power-grid.
Would the U$$A, for prime example, retaliate with nukes? Not if there happens to be any adults left in the rooms of the Pentagon. They certainly would not like to be next on the list. Russia possess the current game-changer in hypersonic missilry. That weapon should be used judiciously. City of London even calls the shots in NYC and the Di$trict of Corruption.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:09 utc | 232

aristodemos maybe instead of getting mad at the Jews you should get mad at Vladdy for sending three bumpkins in a BMP to fight NATO

Posted by: linbiao | Sep 11 2022 17:09 utc | 233

Too decisive a blow against UA-NATO Axis forces or too heavy a toll of Axis casualties might embarrass a shabby, electorally vulnerable Biden into rash escalation. Neocon crazies are looking for any excuse to escalate because they are well aware that only the fabulous loot and plunder of empire is rich enough to fund negative-sum outliers like themselves.
Slow and “boring” wherever possible, draw Axis forces to where they can be engaged with standoff systems. Avoiding escalation of pace, target, technology or location, wherever possible.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 11 2022 16:40 utc | 215

Yeah, that’s not how it works.
Deterrence from a position of strength, on the other hand, does work.
The reason this war started now is that the USSR collapse made it not only possible but inevitable – the US got it in their head that they won the Cold War and therefore could do whatever they wanted, including going after Russia. And from that moment on war became inevitable.
While during the Cold War there was no war other than proxy conflicts. Because the USSR was too strong for anyone to seriously think about it (other than in the early years, before the USSR built up its nuclear arsenal).
What has been happening in the last 6 months in terms of NATO actions would be unthinkable back then. You have American soldiers in American gear advancing on Russian territory (because let’s face it, Kharkov is core Russian territory that only ended up part of a separate Ukrainian state through a series of unfortunate historical accidents).
Here is an alternative scenario:
1. Putin prepares properly for total war, i.e. a million-strong army, deployed along the whole border, from Brest to Crimea.
2. Then he does proper blitzkrieg, with second and third echelons coming from behind to mop up everything and establish full control.
3. Critically, the western border is sealed (this the importance of the attack from Brest), as is eventually the southern one from Romania.
4. 200K soldiers are sent to actually properly encircle and eventually take Kiev (Kiev was very close to operational encirclement even with the paltry 15,000 men that were there, but that is ancient history for most now).
5. Then you do proper denazification on the whole territory the way it was done in 1945-46.
6. You have established the facts on the ground and you have a new border. The insurgency and reeducation you will then have to deal with somehow. But most importantly, you have cut off the path to escalation because there is now no way for NATO to send weapons and soldiers.
And then those facts on the ground are backed by the usual key deterrence mechanisms.
What we got instead I don’t need to review yet again, but it should be obvious for everyone that we are in a much more precarious situation now.
P.S. Note what is happening around Vugledar now — massive Ukrainian force is being concentrated with the intent to make a move for Mariupol. Is that going to be allowed (just imagine what that will mean for the people in Mariupol)? How do you stop it if there once again isn’t a sufficient force there? Do we see a tactical nuke used or defeat is accepted? That’s the kind of situation the refusal to do it properly from the start puts you in…

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 17:10 utc | 234

I see from the multitude of articles in the Daily Telegraph that Ukraine has already won the war. Someone needs to tell the Russians.

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Sep 11 2022 17:17 utc | 235

PolarBear4@222
Accept my appreciation for your thanks to Oleg. Last night, dealing with insomnia, I composed a somewhat similar message to Oleg in honor of the steadfastness of the Russian people and of their suffering during the 20th Century and most importantly their restored sense of spirituality. This conflict is more deeply occurring on the spiritual level. It is the ancient battle between good and evil. Rationalistic, scientistic materialists will scoff at that, but Russians fully grasp the meaning.
Unfortunately last night, in my insomniac thoroughness, I overlooked the possibility of over-reaching the previously unknown time-clock. So the message was lost. One kindly poster pointed out how my nearly 78 y.o. technophobic mind could use Foxfire to restore the lost material. At the time, I was too sleepless frazzled to attempt something totally new on this machine.
The not so kindly Scotch Bingeington (a “cool” monicker for the barfly theme) snarkily admonished me for this perceived faux-pas. Some people get personal where such behavior is not warranted. Warrented digs would be when someone posts something utterly stupid or harmful, such as advocating nuclear first-strikes on even a “tactical ” basis.
That would open Pandora’s Box.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:22 utc | 236

[Forwarded from ASB Military News]
Power stations hit, multiple western Ukrainian cities lost power.
Zaporizhie, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk in the east go dark too. Welcome to the EU utopia, called 17th century.
https://t.me/asbmil/5033

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 17:22 utc | 237

Kia’s and Wia’s of the AFU are now counted in the thousands per day.
If you want to call that a succesful operation,you’re welcome. Zalushny has a job for you.
It is sad for ukraine. But better an end in horror than horror without end.

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 11 2022 17:24 utc | 238

In several cities of Ukraine, after the missile strikes of the Russian Air Force, the light disappeared.
Better late than never.
and
The glow after the Russian strikes in the Kharkiv region.
According to local sources, a thermal power plant in Zmiev was hit.
Also, arrivals were recorded at Kharkiv CHP-5, which is one of the largest thermal power plants in Ukraine.

Posted by: CCsaid | Sep 11 2022 17:24 utc | 239

The article of https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/345530/ explains why the frontline close to Balakliya used to be quiet with no battles taking place there: There is the only location where Ukraine is producing gas. The Russian command allowed this production to continue in order to provide the Ukranians with gas for the coming winter. But now the ‘Kharkov offensive’ has started, this gas production facility of Ukraine has come under fire of the Russian Air Forces.
Secrets of the battle for Balakliya: Russia did not touch Ukrainian gas fields, but now the Russian Aerospace Forces are switching to a special regime
By attacking our troops in the Kharkiv region, Zelensky made the biggest mistake
Ukrainian pravdoruby from among the adequate people urge not to believe “Colonel Arestovich ” about the phenomenal successes of the Ukrainian army on the northern front. When they say that Russian intelligence missed the blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they do not take into account, first of all, the factor of 1.5 million Kharkov, which can accommodate up to 500 thousand “independence defenders”, moreover, right in residential high-rise buildings.
According to the Kharkov telegram channels, independent soldiers were accommodated in apartments and houses, and often stayed as civilians. It was for this purpose that multi-day raids were organized, called long “curfew hours”. At the same time, external control from the Lviv Yankee Center was clearly felt. It was not difficult for the General Staff to observe the factor of surprise under such conditions.
This was the main difference between the fighting in the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction from the coming out attack on Balakleya. In the Kherson region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were unable to break through our defenses, including because the military intelligence of the RF Armed Forces was able to identify the main groups even before the “Battle for Kherson” began. Special thanks can be said to the area in the form of a bare steppe.
According to insider spreads from the [Ukraine] president’s office, British intelligence has warned the Ze-team about the danger of deep penetration into Russian zones of control.
The British fear that the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine thrown into battle will be crushed just like the Wehrmacht on the Seelow Heights. No matter how the same thing happened with Kharkov as with Berlin in 1945, when the city was defended not by army units, but by the Volkssturm – in Ukrainian, the defense, – intelligence officers of the British Defense Ministry are chatting on Facebook *.
Zelenskiy dismisses these concerns. He relies on forests that reduce the effectiveness of artillery and aviation of the RF Armed Forces. But skeptics, including independent ones, warn that the green light will soon come down, after which the military success will again be in Russian hands. And most importantly, Moscow will draw a conclusion from the current situation that Kharkov needs to be taken.
“It turned out better for the Ukrainians to counterattack here because the logistics center, Kharkiv, is at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The million-plus city covered up parts and funds. Therefore, no matter how the situation near Balakliya develops, the attacks on Kharkov will intensify.
If you can leave the city, leave it. It is better to wait out the acute phase away from the supply center of the advancing Armed Forces of Ukraine,” warns the citizens of the public “Our Kharkiv”.
According to this resource, the Armed Forces of Ukraine sent their best units, as well as mercenaries, to Balakleya. Almost all NATO art is collected here, from the German self-propelled guns PzH 2000 to the US MLRS HIMARS, not counting the HMMWV armored vehicles and other motorized infantry resources.
Judging by the coordination, the “independence defenders” have excellent awareness, which actually indicates the direct complicity of NATO on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Naturally, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation connected the “air resource”, after which the independent telegram community concluded: “Enemy aircraft switched to the “maximum damage” mode, leaving the “minimal risk” mode.
Such information is consistent with insiders from the General Staff of the “nenko”. Ukry experts believe that the coming days will pass for independent soldiers under the “shadow of Russian attack aircraft and turntables.”
In general, the information from the battlefield is the most contradictory, both here and in Banderstat, controlled by the Kyiv junta. On the one hand, the Ukrnet is full of videos with the hoisting of yellow-Blakit ensigns in the “liberated” settlements, while the General Staff reports on the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are extremely sparing.
On the other hand, creepy videos appeared on the Web with numerous corpses of “independence defenders”. According to the commander of the Akhmat special forces, Apti Alaudinov, Ukraine threw more than 30,000 people on a counteroffensive in the Balakleya region of the Kharkov region, of which, in two or three days, at least one in six was destroyed
Kharkiv publics confirm the information about the heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the battle for Balakliya. Due to the influx of “three hundredths” stocks of donor blood ran out in hospitals in the capital of Slobozhanshchina, a historically Russian region.
There is an opinion that the Ukrainians have drawn conclusions from past zashkvars and are afraid of our counter-offensive, which will cross out the “overcome”. If this offensive fails, it will be difficult for the Ze-team to explain the huge losses. No wonder Western journalists have already called the autumn campaign of the Armed Forces of Ukraine “the offensive of last hope.”
The idea of ​​​​the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is clear: the General Staff of the “nenka” relies on the complete encirclement of Balakleya and cutting off the communication between Kupyansk and Izyum. On the side of the Ukrainians, we repeat, there is a forest that allows independent detachments to make deep raids. In this case, our attempt to turn the tide head-on is fraught with great losses for the RF Armed Forces, while saving manpower is put at the forefront.
Sources close to the entourage of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny also scribble in jingoistic ecstasy that Zelensky has moved away from interfering in the affairs of the “army”, which allowed the independent commander-in-chief to begin the transfer of free reserves and part of the air defense even from near Kiev, which was previously Zhovto-Blakit the guarantor categorically did not allow. It looks like the professionals have finally taken over.
However, Moscow, it turns out, can very easily nullify the “heroic” successes of the “independence defenders”. According to a number of experts coming out, units of the RF Armed Forces felt relatively safe in their Kharkiv zone of control, since there was supposedly an unspoken “agreement”: the Ukrainians are quiet, and the Russians do not touch gas production in the Kharkiv region, especially since winter is on nose.
To make it clear what we are talking about, here are some facts: from Balakleya to Shebelinka, where Naftogaz produces more than 40% of blue fuel, some 19 km. According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, in 2020, Shebelinkagazdobycha GPU supplied 7.552 billion m³ of gas and more than 128.04 thousand tons of gas condensate and oil to consumers.
Now these crafts may be under the legitimate blows of Russian artillery and aviation. What kind of fools do you need to be in order to endanger the entire energy security of the country for the sake of a beautiful picture for the NATO party in Ramstein. Taking into account the fact that the ZNPP was forced to stop work, again because of the blows of the gunners, the violation of the unspoken truce will ultimately leave the Nenka without gas, heat and electricity at all. Moreover, you cannot particularly blame our side for deliberate strikes on the wells of Shebelinkagazdobycha. Who knows, maybe there HIMARS disguised itself. And in general, we did not start.
Let the hulks thank the foolish “Ze-teams” in severe cold.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 11 2022 17:28 utc | 240

Petros @225
Bullshit!!! Who cuts your paycheck? Or are you merely a media-mesmerized moron? “Russia sue for peace”? Russia’s military power a chimera? Yours is typical Western hopium. Of course you could be a psywar operative for some intel agency. Your language is couched in the Bernaysian fashion. Fie on you.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:28 utc | 241

Young @ 228
The wise course for Russia to liberate the whole of the Donbass would not be a frontal assault, but to cut off the Ukies by a massive drive coming from it’s southwest, a region in which the Pukes have not been concretely dug-in for the past eight years. Perhaps that is the mission of the 3rd Corps.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:31 utc | 242

Russia has given nato the opportunity to disarm itself, the EU the opportunity to destroy the European economy with sanctions and have the U.S. pay for it all and implode the derivatives market supporting the whole fraudulent financial system while appearing non-threatening or even incompetent for a fraction of the cost of a war. Impressive.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Sep 11 2022 17:38 utc | 243

Limbo @ 234
You paint with an overly broad brush. “Mad at the Jews”. Humbug. There are three different divisions amongst the Jewish peoples. In the majority are ordinary people who happen to be of Jewish heritage. Secondly, there are the noble Jews like Michel Chossudovsky, Ron Unz and many others who are not into the “is it good for the Jews” meme, but rather are true humanists who do not consider themselves as the “Chosen”.
No god in his right mind would have a “chosen people”. But the Babylonian Talmudists and particularly the Khazarian Mafiya types consider all non-Jews as “Goyim” (cattle) and look forward to have 2,000 Goyish slaves. Those are the schemers and plotters who control the Western World, with an assortment of AristoBrits and Yankee Ivy Leaguers as their Shabbas Goys.
By the way, do you happen to be of the “chosen”, or are you just another deluded Goy?

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:39 utc | 244

Another failure by Russia, after months holding the nuclear plant and not being able to protect it from ukrainian attacks, it has now to be shut down altogether!
Last power unit switched off at Zaporozhye nuclear plant The ‘cold shutdown’ of the sixth reactor at the Russia-controlled facility was performed early on Sunday
https://swentr.site/russia/562575-zaporozhye-nuclear-ukraine-shutdown/
Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 7:57 utc | 10
And your point is?

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 11 2022 17:39 utc | 245

aristodemos @242
The moron is you all cocooned in hopium that Putin and Xi will deliver the crushing blow to the USA and the West.
That’s not going to happen in your lifetime. Suck it up. The reality of defeat for Putin. Will he last through the end of this year?

Posted by: James Petros | Sep 11 2022 17:42 utc | 246

Tbx@235
NO NUKES ! Russia possess both hypersonic and thermobaric weaponry. Any major armored drive towards Mariupol could be smashed by non-nuclear means. Nukes opens Pandora’s Box.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:43 utc | 247

In the last 2 weeks there have been 2 offensives.
1 in Cherson
1 in Kharkov .
1 was NOT successful ( Cherson )
1 was successful (Kharkov)
In football we would speak of a 1:1.
Is it really a 1:1?
* in Cherson there is 20% electricity for Ukraine
* water for the Crimea
* a bridgehead to the north, east, west
* near the Russ border
What is there in Kharkov ?
* near the Russ border
is it really a 1:1?

Posted by: TheoWhatever | Sep 11 2022 17:46 utc | 248

Most likely, Ukraine forces will begin digging trenches and fortified positions at the new front line. They will fill those positions with territorial defense units and conscripts. Then the whole attacking force will find another weak point on the line elsewhere and try to punch through. Rinse and repeat. Russia, it seems, needs to hunt these real military groups and forget about the fortifications of territory defenses.

Posted by: Dmitri Karamazov | Sep 11 2022 17:47 utc | 249

Leroy @ 232
Russia must have millions of dumb artillery rounds. Every pic or video I see of a battlefield is covered with hundreds of craters.
It is mind numbing if you are on the receiving end. What I hated most was the rain, snow, and cold. Mud and muck everywhere but then again no one was shooting at me back them.
Driving in the snow or muck/mud up and down mountains on tiny unpaved roads was hair raising. One slip up and you were over the side. I led a few convoys in the winter overseas in my time cross country on paved and unpaved roads. The wanted me, a lowly private, up front because the officers and NCO’s knew I was well traveled in the country and knew how to get around. Most did not travel the country like I did.
Man that was one hell of a time.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 17:52 utc | 250

thanks, aristodemus @237!
i appreciate you, too.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 11 2022 17:53 utc | 251

Posted by: James Petros | Sep 11 2022 17:42 utc | 247
“The reality of defeat for Putin. Will he last through the end of this year?”
* * *
Will you last through the end of this year?

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 11 2022 17:53 utc | 252

It’s a lot easier to hit armoured columns than entrenched troops.
Russia’s response is showing a glaring deficit of ability to strike mobile platforms, which does suggest they’re struggling with supplying smart armaments.
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 11 2022 11:51 utc | 92

_______________________________________________
Half right, Johny! What you and many others have missed is that the Ukies used the ISIS small unit tactical approach of advancing rapidly, in small isolated groupings, instead of coming in large compact columns of the easy targets for Russian artillery and rockets.
Think of it as a swarm of mosquitoes: You don’t use a rifle to wipe out that kind of swarm!
____________________________________
Oh, and…b…go read Larry Johnson’s latest. His points make you look like a panicked schoolgirl!

Posted by: QTTO | Sep 11 2022 17:54 utc | 253

Oblomovka @ 241
Thank you for your informative posting. I’ve been waiting for just such intelligence as to the why’s and wherefores of the Ukie onslaught into the Izyum region. Previously I was not aware that Ukraine’s gas production is centered in that general area and that there had been a tacit agreement by the Russians not to destroy that particular target. So the gloves are off now and like Western and Central Europe, the poor deluded Ukrainians will hunger and freeze in the dark.
Meanwhile, Z and his cronies will probably be sunning in places like South Florida, laughing their asses off at the suckers who bought all the propaganda.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:54 utc | 254

aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:09 utc | 233
When I got fired, from my job in Manchester in 1980 (Margaret Thatcher basically closed down The North of England), I was on the dole for nearly a year. No job. No girlfriend. No prospects. Peter Gabriel did a song about it. So with my redundancy money, I bought a Commodore VIC, and started to write computer games in Basic at first, then 6502 Machine code, which is incredibly fast. I was about to launch my own computer games company, but the job I applied for came up again in London a year later.
I hated working alone. There was no way, I could turn it down. So I told my new girlfriend. “I am moving to London – will you come with me?”
She said “You ain’t going without me”
She worked for a bank in Lancashire.
They transferred to the City of London.
We used to meet after work, sometimes at the Barbican in the City of London, but more often at The Marquee in Soho.
Why does London, and The City of London, get blamed for Everything?
Who are these people writing crap about London?
Most of them, have never been to London, especially since 9/11..which scared the shit out of all Americans.
So far as I am aware, us British did not do 9/11
It was an American job…fuck all to do with us.
The Americans are trying to get the Russians to Nuke us Now.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Sep 11 2022 17:55 utc | 255

Ukrainians: take territory in Harkov
Russia: No electricity and heat for you!

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 11 2022 17:55 utc | 256

and implode the derivatives market supporting the whole fraudulent financial system Impressive.
Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Sep 11 2022 17:38 utc | 244
———
Definitely. And this time western financial systems have more to worry about than the regulators.
Got rubles?

Posted by: financial matters | Sep 11 2022 17:56 utc | 257

Petrosovitch @ 247
Lightweight.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 17:56 utc | 258

this poster may not last through the end of next week, when we get a better idea of what’s going on. there’s a troll onslaught at other websites, too all repeating the same canned message “Russia is lost! pass it on!”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 17:57 utc | 259

Intel Slava:
In addition to Kharkiv, the Kremenchug thermal power plant is blazing.
A blackout on the scale of Ukraine due to falling out of the ZNPP system and hitting two main thermal power plants of Left-Bank Ukraine at once.
Ukrop frantically trying to equalize the load and generation and turned off the Kharkiv and Poltava regions, but this is not enough.
failures in the networks of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Odessa regions.

Posted by: blackouts | Sep 11 2022 17:58 utc | 260

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 11 2022 17:53 utc | 253
the above post was meant to reply to 253

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 17:59 utc | 261

Like major general Frosty Winter once said : now It is urgent to wait !!!
As many commenters hinted , we have to look at the big picture: Hybrid war, energy supplies, etc and not anticipate outcomes
based only on tactical terrain moves.

Posted by: Go Figure | Sep 11 2022 18:00 utc | 262

I am enjoying watching the evolving op re aristodemos

Posted by: xcroc | Sep 11 2022 18:00 utc | 263

Western MSM full of stories trumpeting a “brilliant” Ukraine military feint towards Kherson, which entirely fooled the entire Russian military and Intelligence force structure, leading to the Kharkov breakthrough which has supposedly placed the entire Russian Federation on the backfoot. In other words, the Ukrainians are claiming do have done what they strongly denied the Russians did back in March (feint towards Kiev). The two great Ukraine “victories” have been in Kharkov region and both involved the reclamation of territory the enemy had walked away from. The chest-thumping appears excessive, then and now.
It was interesting to view the information war in real time over the past few days on this blog. Cannot remember such an incursion of new posters and the inundation of talking-points supporting an alleged Grand Victory. Quieter today – start of the NFL season.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 11 2022 18:01 utc | 264

My first post here. I am a big fan of the voice of experience.
Nailed it. Thank you Pacifica_Advocate.
———————————————
Forgot the link to Larry Johnson’s post:
https://sonar21.com/understanding-planning-orders-and-troop-movements-in-ukraine/
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 11 2022 18:06 utc | 265

Seems something big is happening. Ukraine is going dark, after several power stations have been hit.

Posted by: Nico | Sep 11 2022 18:08 utc | 266

@jayc #265, I haven’t seen that narrative. Where are you getting it?
Kherson is definitely not a feint – certainly it pulled reinforcements from an already-thin Russian line in the east, and that was *part of* the strategy. But if Ukraine fails to advance on and liberate the territory north of Dnipro it will be a failed offensive that nonetheless helped make the Kharkiv offensive a success.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 18:09 utc | 267

Russia seems to be “adapting” by bombing the densely-populated civilian areas of Kharkiv. And before anybody says “where’s the evidence”, just go look for the videos posted today and tell me with a straight face they are aiming at military targets.

Posted by: Random Mikuchan | Sep 11 2022 18:09 utc | 268

Tony @ 256
Tony, my first and only one-week stay in London was in ’79 on a hitchhiking tour of N.W. Europe. I arrive there on the Vernal Equinox, one day after visiting Stonehenge and was given two rock-shards by a former POW who was the sole guard there. He was given this sinecure by a grateful British government. He was nabbed by the Japanese at the fall of Hong-Kong. The shards, he told me, were original chippings off the old rock. Nice tale, anyway. Have possessed them for years.
In London, I stayed at a B&B (sort of) near Russell Square at 4 Pounds the night and had easy walk to the British Museum and other cultural attractions. Mostly walking. Some Tube.
So London was as charming then as was Greenwich Village in ’65 and San Francisco in ’69. Thus, my memories are almost entirely fond ones.
City of London, the Square Mile, is something else again. Even the Monarch must don particular attired and announce her/his visit beforehand and is, to the best of my knowledge, greeted in full regalia by the Lord Mayor. Also in the City is Temple Court, where newly ensconced barristers are permitted to cross the bar and enjoy drinks with their betters.
Interestingly, the deeply corrupted American Bar Association is but an offshoot of the BAR at Temple Court. In all so many ways, The City still rules the waves…and much else. Though the pride of Britain in some senses, it must be destroyed for the salvation of common humanity.
But Metropolitan London must not be molested.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 18:09 utc | 269

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 17:57 utc | 260
Well said, pretzelattack.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 11 2022 18:10 utc | 270

Blackouts @261
Wow!! The gloves are truly off. Zelensky and his monitors decided to go one bridge too far.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 18:11 utc | 271

… though the comment threads on Kharkov/Izyum have been a waste of time anyway. …
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 15:34 utc | 191

Yes but [ Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 142 ] is worth your time!

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 11 2022 18:12 utc | 272

So the Russians are finally attacking civilian infrastructure. I wonder why.
If it is just revenge then this looks desperate.
If a real declaration of war maybe not.
I would be hitting NATO assets but what do I know – I only predicted the Ukrainian strategy months ago in detail.
My hope is the Russian peoples realise the need to force the oligarch class into early retirement and reform a Soviet Union with the assistance of the CP of China.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 18:14 utc | 273

#261
On that Telegram channel he keeps talking of self-shelling by Ukraine.
Is that just sarcasm?

Posted by: Nico | Sep 11 2022 18:16 utc | 274

Random
The targets are not specifically civilian. So STFU. Military necessity, plus the massacres of ethnic Russians in the occupied regions by the Ukie Sondernkommandos are crimes against humanity. So the RU takes the gloves off and even the decent Ukrainians will have a cold and dark winter looming in the near future. So sorry it had come to this. I never like to see the innocent suffer. Z. should never have heeded Boris Johnson’s advice on behalf of the Rottenchild controlled Crown. He should have continued responding to Russia’s peace proposals.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 18:17 utc | 275

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 18:11 utc | 272
Now the s**t is going to hit the fan. A hard rains’ gonna fall, and it’s about time.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 11 2022 18:18 utc | 276

The Telegram channels are throbbing with…..
In addition to Kharkiv, the Kremenchug thermal power plant is blazing.
A blackout on the scale of Ukraine due to falling out of the ZNPP system and hitting two main thermal power plants of Left-Bank Ukraine at once. Ukrop frantically trying to equalize the load and generation and turned off the Kharkiv and Poltava regions, but this is not enough. failures in the networks of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Odessa regions.
Operation “Stonage” finally begun , they could have done it 6 months ago ….
Now do the fucking bridges ,ass****
You know, what is very alarming is the thousands and thousands of dead and wounded Ukrainian soldiers from the offensive. Thousands of missing and of course prisoners.
The French press notices this in their reports, indicating that the hospitals are overcrowded (this is Kramatorsk).
Of course, now everyone is busy shouting victory, not noticing the price. Also not including the brain that the game is not over yet, and Zelensky has already sent all the reserves to the meat grinder.
It is reported that immediately two Nuclear Power Plants on the territory controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to disconnect their power units from the power grid – Khmelnytsky and South Ukrainian. Just after Zaporizhzhya.
In Poltava and the region, after a series of missile attacks on infrastructure facilities, the movement of electric trains stopped.
Settlements in Dnepropetrovsk lose access to water — water pumps not working
Kramatorsk loses power
All of Kharkov region lost access water

Hmmmm………
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 11 2022 18:18 utc | 277

“Yesterday’s Russian withdrawal from the region between Izium and the Russian border was a disaster for the (pro-)Russian people on the ground”
That is not entirely true. There is evidence that there was at least one massive convoy of evacuees that moved out towards Russia. This convoy was protected by rearguard Russian troops. They successfully defeated at least one Ukraine DRG attack on the convoy with the loss of some Russian troops. This convoy and its protection force suggests the Russians had some idea that something was going to happen but not where and not when. Their military doctrine requires high confidence of enemy committment to a specfic action before the Russia forces react.
“Just one episode of the withdrawal of troops from the Kharkov direction. Passage of the column of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Ahead is a huge column with refugees, Russian troops are the last to go, closing the movement and preventing enemy mobile groups from bypassing the units and striking civilians. On the right along the highway, a Russian armored personnel carrier is burning, which was right behind the refugees first in the column. The enemy’s DRG tried to attack the column, the Russian crew joined the battle and completed the task of protecting civilians of the Kharkiv region at the cost of their lives. There really are a lot of pro-Russian citizens of the Kharkiv region there, in Ukraine. But a huge number of people managed to be saved. Often at the cost of the lives of Russian servicemen.”
https://t.me/rybar/38598
To me a small scale tactical withdrawal bringing out massed experienced enemy forces into open unprepared positions is a win – they can be easily smashed, compared to an Mariupol/Azovstal. The big concern was the thought of leaving civilians to the mercies of the Ukro-Nazis. To some extent, that has been mitigated. The refugees are now in temporary camps near the Russian border prior to moving further away.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Sep 11 2022 18:21 utc | 278

Thank god, Russia is responding in kind.
Hit civilian areas, hit everything. Gloves must come off – NOW!

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 18:25 utc | 279

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 11 2022 17:10 utc | 235
ur comment makes really lots of sense
I AM PRAYING THIS ANLTERNATIVE SZENARIO WILL BECOME REAL!

Posted by: Tiroler | Sep 11 2022 18:26 utc | 280

What I can’t believe is how Putin is so reluctant to address the people. A war leader needs to be reassuring and direct not hiding.
Currently Kadyrov and Lavrov seem to be running around trying to explain what is happening.
In my view Lukashenko should become next president of the Union state – with Kadyrov as minister of Defence.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 18:27 utc | 281

“Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities.”
Yeah, you have to wonder why this was not done sooner. If Russia wants to take off the kid gloves in dealing with the Americans, the Middle East would be one place to start.
America’s colonial occupation of Syria, where the USA is “securing” Syrian oil–to use a favorite Donald Trump weasel word–is one theater of operations where America is begging to be smacked down hard.
America’s theft of Syrian oil, not to mention its occupation of the Syrian agricultural breadbasket, is one of the egregious crimes that America is guilty of.
Washington steals over 80 percent of Syria’s oil output per day
https://thecradle.co/Article/News/14108
This move would not necessarily involve deployment of Russian military assets.
The sale of more potent weapons to Iran and Syria–or providing intel on US military maneuvers–would help to kick these American thieves out–dead or alive.
If America and its stooges can flood Ukraine with weapons–not to mention “unofficial” American, British, Canadian, and European military personnel–Russia can provide more potent weapons to Iran and Syria.
The only language the Americans understand is to get a taste of their own medicine.
‘Washington needs to stop stealing Syrian oil’: Vladimir Putin
https://thecradle.co/Article/News/13275

Posted by: ak74 | Sep 11 2022 18:29 utc | 282

@aristodemos
People on here pretend like Russia is not already guilty of mass bombing of civilian areas. Why? Because Ukraine did it too? If Russian figures are to be believed, the war in the Donbas resulted in what was the number, 14000 dead? Look what Putin has wrought in such a short period of time.
Before you know it you will be justifying carpet bombing WWII style because of those 14000. Putin is not wise. He is insidiously getting his own people used to the idea of committing atrocities because “they did it too” and then presenting his own failures as “the only option”
I don’t support Ukraine bombing civilians. But if the only war Russia can stop further military humiliations is by becoming even worse then their enemy, you have entered the path to ruin.

Posted by: Random Mikuchan | Sep 11 2022 18:30 utc | 283

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t see the link posted yesterday to Scott Ritter’s latest video, an interview by Regis Tremblay. Ritter’s message is stop panicking!
IAEA Report; A US/NATO War Against Russia

Posted by: Robin M. | Sep 11 2022 18:31 utc | 284

@ anon2020 | Sep 11 2022 18:12 utc | 273
>> Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 142 ] is worth your time!
Agree it was worth reading and agree with Jhaji.
Been thinking similarly. Not even sure RF should escalate. They’re operating quite efficiently and effectively, while quality of life goes down in the west for me and my neighbors under the dictatorship of the WEF and their puppet administrators until one day a butterfly flaps its wings.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 11 2022 18:31 utc | 285

@RB #279, no one gives a shit who spoke what where in 1913. There used to be a lot of pro-RU sentiment in Kharkiv, and now there’s next to none and won’t be for a generation at least. Surprise, people don’t like being invaded and occupied. They don’t like cluster bombs falling on bread lines in their city streets or cruise missiles blasting into apartment buildings. They don’t like curfews, deprivations, or having their phones checked for signs of “nationalism”. They don’t like their neighbors getting “disappeared”. Even if the oppressors speak the barely-majority language of the area.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 18:31 utc | 286

anon2020 | Sep 11 2022 18:12 utc | 273
Thanks. Very much my own thoughts. Reposted it at my site so it doesn’t disappear down the memory hole of these long threads.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 18:32 utc | 287

“The Russian public, softly led by the Kremlin through Russian media, is now likely to demand more.”
Russia has a habit of leveraging setbacks into ramping up levels that might have been seen as provocative prior to that ‘reason’. One big ‘more’ could be an official statement from Russia declaring that the recent counter-offensive is direct evidence of NATO involvement. Russia could then invoke UN Article 51 against NATO as it did against Ukraine following its massed onslaught early in 2022. That would open the way to taking out NATO C&C centers directing the operation.
A few Kalibers at the right spot might bring the US / NATO to its senses. But then again we are talking neo-con neo-nazi neo-crazies on the other side.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Sep 11 2022 18:32 utc | 288

Now it is being reported the whole country is blacked out. Critical infrastructure being hit. Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station was reported placed in cold state. Sounds like some planning here.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 18:33 utc | 289

Saturday’s Telegram howl and the hard truth about ourselves
Would have we won the Great Patriotic War in 1941-1945 if we had Telegram and mobile phones with video cameras? Very unlikely.
I just imagined minute-by-minute tantrums of anonymous authors like “The Red Army retreated from the village of Vinogradovo” or “Pavlov’s building was left without windows: did ours surrender?”. Dozens of photos would be attached to everything, of which: 5 archived, 3 photoshopped, and 2 stolen from somewhere.
While our soldiers do the real fighting, losing limbs and lives, someone is sitting and criticizing like “Kupyansk and Izyum surrendered! Cowards!”. Let me remind you that from 1941-1943 Red Army soldiers retreated from Kiev and Sevastopol, and motorcycles with Wehrmacht soldiers generally drove to the outskirts of Moscow. So what? And no one whined but went about their business: they made production rates of 1000%, getting a ration of 300 grams of bread. They were happy that they were helping the Motherland.
And now everyone imagines themselves as either a political expert or a military strategist, sitting with a smoothie or latte in cozy cafes in Moscow or Kherson.
Compatriots, the leadership of the country gave us the opportunity to restore historical justice without the hardships of 1941-1945. Everyone can professionally(!) write about the situation at the front, restore public services and health care, or establish the financial system in the liberated territories. Do it.
In short, alarmists, instead of whining in comments and posts, sign up as volunteers or come to work in the Kherson Joint Civil and Military Administration. In my social affairs department, be sure I’ll give that many challenges in your life that there will be no time to criticize and whine.
Thanks to the Russian soldier preserving the peaceful sky over the liberated territories, that allows me and the team to work calmly for the sake of the future!
— Ekaterina Gubareva, the vice-governor of Kherson oblast for social welfare affairs.
https://t.me/war_subtitled_en/625

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 18:33 utc | 290

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 18:14 utc | 274
Surely you understand that Nato is using the infrastructure owned by its subsidiary corporation (Ukraine) to wage another operation Barbarossa. Therefore it makes sense to dismantle it.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 18:34 utc | 291

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 18:31 utc | 288
Yes because thats what the Russians were doing, its their goal. Now go post some social media videos for “evidence” of such crimes. Its apparently enough these days.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 11 2022 18:37 utc | 292

How are all these new names suddenly showing up on MOA?

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Sep 11 2022 18:38 utc | 293

3rd corps?
The Chechen units part of that corps have been signaled in the Kherson area.
Since they are majority mechanised infantry, and not really a balanced out army corps, I would not expect to see them applied as a cohesive unit on a distinct point in the frontline. But broken up and applied piecemeal, especially now, plugging holes in the frontline.
In that regard, very much like the 1ste and the 2nd corps, who are the first lines of offense/defense, but can’t function (well) independently. E.g. lack of battlefield awareness, ecm, …

Posted by: qqtf | Sep 11 2022 18:40 utc | 294

@285;
Anyone care about what the US did to Fallujah in Iraq? Did you? I doubt it. Or Libya – failed state? Shock and awe- remember that? Remember the civilian infrastructure binned in Serbia?
Putin begged the Ukrainian military to come to their senses in February. The Russians were still willing to accept a Minsk 3 settlement in March before Bojo gave Z new orders.
Now NATO “volunteers” are driving NATO vehicles to the Russian borders, covering for fascist Einsatzgruppen to torture and murder “collaborators”.
What was it Bomber Harris said? You have sowed the wind, now you shall reap the whirlwind?

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 18:42 utc | 295

These attacks may be Ukrainians themselves in order to blame the evil putin of “savage retaliation against innocent civilians” so that he can “save his ass” from an “enraged and disappointed public” after the “disastrous defeat” in Harkov region.
Yenwoda is already telegraphing the next wave of PR.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 11 2022 18:43 utc | 296

It will be interesting to know if hospital emergency generators and fuel have been sold off in the pit of corruption that is Ukraine. Hospitals throughout eastern Ukraine filled with wounded…
Perhaps now Ukraine will stop shelling the ZNPP. Sounds like two power stations hit so that probably puts and end to Ukraine’s plans to sell electricity to the EU.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 18:45 utc | 297

@297
Are you kidding me? People my generation grew up opposing both US wars. Stop your whattaboutism. You know nothing about me and my political beliefs. I am not some blind American who supported the Vietnam war and Iraq war

Posted by: Random Mikuchan | Sep 11 2022 18:46 utc | 298

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 293 aircraft, 153 helicopters, 1933 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4883 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 831 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3378 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5469 units of special military vehicles.

After 4883 tanks have been destroyed Ukraine still have tanks…

Posted by: RB | Sep 11 2022 18:50 utc | 299

Warning Off topic –
Tiroler ,
The most pressing question remains – Is it really the Bergdoktor‘s child ? Franziska seems fishy

Posted by: Exile | Sep 11 2022 18:51 utc | 300