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September 11, 2022
The Izium Withdrawal – A Catalyst For ‘Starting In Earnest’

"We can say that today was the best ever, the second best ever, day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine. Something must be changed. If you ask what the Russian should change, to tell the truth, I don't know. But I believe, if they don't change anything after this situation, that means there is no need to continue this Special Operation. Because the Ukrainians managed to collect a big number of infantry. Some sources are saying, joking of course they are joking, that now the Ukrainians these days have a so big army that the Ukrainian authorities can give them just stones. And this army is able to crack the Russians' defense order just with stones because there are so much of them."

The above is the opener of Dima's Military Summary of yesterday's events in Ukraine.

The simplistic view that "quantity has a quality of its own," is usually attributed to Joseph Stalin, the Georgian leader of the Soviet Union during the second World War (as well as before and after).

Stalin was wrong, as the Second Battle of Kharkov, mentioned here yesterday, provides. In May 1942, near Izium, the Nazis thoroughly defeated a counterattacking Soviet force twice their forces size.

Stalin was also right. In the end the Soviet Union simply outproduced the German Reich and its allies in nearly everything – tanks, airplanes, cannons, ammunition, fuel, food and soldiers – which enabled its victory. (The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.)

Yesterday's Russian withdrawal from the region between Izium and the Russian border was a disaster for the (pro-)Russian people on the ground. It was also the rational consequence of a lack of military resources. The Russian military forces in Ukraine are too few to hold the 1,500 kilometer long frontline against a Ukrainian military which now has a.) a much larger force to work with, b.) no concerns about high human losses and c.) a steady supply of 'western' weapons.

Russia must adapt to this.

The most mentioned demand in the pro-Russian commentariat yesterday was to "take off the gloves" – to seriously interdict 'western' deliveries of weapons, to destroy Ukrainian bridges and other dual-use infrastructure, to switch from a 'Special Military Operation' towards war.

Why hasn't the Russia's political leadership done this yet?

After observing it for two decades I have concluded that the Russian political leadership, foremost its current leader Vladimir Putin, is driven by two guiding principles. The first is to follow the will of the people. The second are rational policies. The high ratings of Putin and other political leaders have in independent Russian polls is not by chance. It is the result of policies that are a.) rational and well explained and b.) thoroughly democratic in that they follow the public opinion of the majority of the people. They do not allow particular interest groups to have an oversized influence on it.

This can best be seen in the war Putin waged against those billionaires who, in the 1990s and early 2000nds, tried to enter politics to prioritize their interests over all others. They were defeated and those who didn't flee to London have since stopped to interfere with the state.

The other group that traditionally had an oversized role in Russia, especially during the Cold War, is the military-industrial complex. It shrank during Yeltsin's rule due to the catastrophic financial consequences of his mislead privatization drive. Under Putin the Russian military was somewhat resurrected, rearmed and sufficiently resourced. But it was also tamed. Under Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of Staff Gerasimov the priority of general state policies over perceived military needs is no longer questionable.

The biggest opponents to Putin's policies are the nationalist, not the 'western' favored 'liberal' clowns like Navalny. The nationalists can be found on the political left, right and center. They are not well organized but have a voice throughout the political spectrum. (The former President Dimitri Medvedev currently plays to that audience.) The nationalists even have a voice in public media.

Here are Gilbert Doctorow's observations of their recent position discussed in prominent Russian talk shows:

For his part, Vladimir Solovyov went beyond presentation of the threat posed by the United States and its allies to analysis of Russia’s possible response. He spoke at length, and we may assume that what he was saying had the direct approval of the Kremlin, ..

So, what did Solovyov have to say? First, that Ramstein marked a new stage in the war, because of the more threatening nature of the weapons systems announced for delivery, such as missiles with accuracy of 1 to 2 meters when fired from distances of 20 or 30 kilometers thanks to their GPS-guided flight, in contrast to the laser-guided missiles delivered to Ukraine up till now. In the same category, there are weapons designed to destroy the Russians’ radar systems used for directing artillery fire. Second, that Ramstein marked the further expansion of the coalition or holy crusade waging war on Russia. Third, that in effect this is no longer a proxy war but a real direct war with NATO and should be prosecuted with appropriate mustering of all resources at home and abroad.

Said Solovyov, Russia should throw off constraints and destroy the Ukrainian dual use infrastructure which makes it possible to move Western weapons across the country to the front. The railway system, the bridges, the electricity generating stations all should become fair targets. Moreover, Kiev should no longer be spared missile strikes and destruction of the ministries and presidential apparatus responsible for prosecution of the war. I note that these ideas were aired on the Solovyov program more than a month ago but then disappeared from view while the Russians were making great gains on the ground. The latest setbacks and the new risks associated with the Western policies set out at Ramstein bring them to the surface again.

The recent Ramstein meeting promised "long term assistance" to the Ukraine and announced weapon transfers of new quality.

In the view of the nationalists in Russia it requires a response. Russia, in their view, needs to escalate.

The Kremlin was and is extremely averse to Russian casualties. In this war it prioritizes Russian lives over everything else. That has worked well during the first months of the war. In my estimate the Russian casualties so far were about one tenth of the Ukrainian ones. But the Ukrainian leadership has never cared about casualty numbers. The issue thus does not really matter to it.

Russia had set out to 'demilitarize' and to 'denazify' the Ukraine. The main geographic priority was to liberate the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. The land corridor to Crimea, and the very Russian city of Mariupol, were also important targets.

The demilitarization, mostly by long range weapons, has worked well. The Ukraine no longer has a defense industry. The de-nazification is an ongoing process. The fascist 'nationalist' units like the Azov battalions and their brethren in the Kraken and other groups have been decimated.

The first phase of the war was about pushing the Ukrainian government into an early agreement. The threat to Kiev was designed to achieve that. It nearly worked. At the end of March Kiev agreed to fulfill Russian demands. Then Boris Johnson was sent to push for prolonging the war to "weaken Russia". The Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has since obeyed that order.

Russia pulled back from Kiev and started phase two of the war. Since then the Luhansk oblast and the land corridor to Crimea, especially Mariupol, have been won. The liberation of the Donetsk Republic has stalled. The number of Russian and allied forces fighting the war was kept steady or even decreased over time. Meanwhile the Ukrainian forces have grown manifold. They are getting a very significant amount of arms from 'western' sources and new promises to keep those supplies coming. Even when they are armed to a lesser degree, higher numbers of men do matter over time.

This made potentially costly defeats, like recently at the Izium front, possible. The Russian military has readjusted to this threat by decreasing the held territory and by concentrating on the original aims of the war.

The Russian public, which at first did not fully understand why the war was necessary, has since grown in its awareness. It now understands the big game that is played against its country. It may soon demand to adjust the level of resources put into the war to the one needed for a decisive victory. Polls will clarify if or when that point is reached.

That is why Dima concludes that: "We can say that today was the best ever [..] day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine."

It is now probably assured that they will be liberated. One way or another.

I also believe that the withdrawal from the Izium region, which left behind a significant number of pro-Russian civilians under deadly threats from fascist 'filtration' groups, will be the catalyst for a significant escalation on the Russian side.

I may, like so often, be wrong. There is still an intermediate play to come. The 3rd Russian Corps, formed from well paid reservists, armed with new weapons and now reportedly deployed south of the Donbas region, might be a game changer. If it moves north, and manages to role up the Ukrainian fortifications at the Donetsk line from behind, it may become the decisive force. But the establishment of the mobile Ukrainian forces that in recent days moved, largely unopposed, towards the Oskol river, is a new card which the Ukrainians can play again against any weak spot in the Russian lines.

The Russian public, softly led by the Kremlin through Russian media, is now likely to demand more. The question then is how much more. It must not mean the total mobilization of the Russian military. 'Western' claims that Russia is isolated are wrong. It has many friends it can call upon to contribute to its efforts. Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities.

Time is always the third force on the battlefield. Both opponents have to play against, or ally with it. Europe is currently starving itself by boycotting Russian energy resources. That is unsustainable and it will, over time, have to stop following its current U.S. directed policies. Economically the Ukraine is broke and it can not, despite foreign subsidies, sustain a long war. There are also potential political changes within the U.S. that will play a role. The long game favors Russia.

Still, the war must be won on Ukrainian grounds. Russia must up its game. On July 7, in a session with Duma leaders and party factions heads, Putin said:

Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can I say? Let them try. We have already heard a lot about the West wanting to fight us ”to the last Ukrainian.“ This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but that seems to be where it is going. But everyone should know that, by and large, we have not started anything in earnest yet.

Well, maybe now is the time to do so.

Comments

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 10:01 utc | 43
You should be able to just refresh the page, and it should reload, including your pending comment, that you will then be able to post.
I appreciate your commentary here.
Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 11 2022 12:19 utc | 101

fyi, Troll/Bots everywhere, eg comment from thesaker sept 10:

Finally, a warning.
I am in contact with a lot of people and we are all observing the same thing: there is an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE PSYOP operation being executed in support of the Kiev regime (and NATO and the Neocons).
The Russian segment of Telegram is literally flooded with fake Russian channels all doing the same thing: trying as hard as can be to create a total panic. Sadly, this does have some effect, even amongst Russians who really ought to know better by now.
Over the past couple of days, this has affected our comments section too. We are all trying our best, but we all get tired and miss things. So I ask for your diligence.
I expect things to get a lot worse in the next 48 hours.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 11 2022 12:21 utc | 102

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 12:18 utc | 102
Jacob Dreizin believes Russia now has free hands to use tactical nukes.
Dreizin, like all the others, including our host, has reached the point where the system is too complex to understand and their logic breaks down. At the limit of understanding, he too breaks down into nuttiness.
I empathise. War makes fools of every one of us.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 12:21 utc | 103

Posted by: expert explained | Sep 11 2022 12:08 utc | 99
>>Therefore, now the troops are regrouping to destroy the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which came to the areas of Balakleya and Izyum. It must be borne in mind that there are no fortified areas there, so the task of destroying the most combat-ready Ukrainian units will be solved quite successfully. This will take a few more days.
Does not agree, on the contrary, Russia is abandoning the whole area back to the border, the will be no “Battle of the Bulge”, “firebags” or anything like that, this is Kiev Withtrawl 2 and the area won’t see much fighting anymore just like Kiev, Sumi and Chernigov.

Posted by: Passer by | Sep 11 2022 12:21 utc | 104

“Diversion moves against the U.S. military in many regions of the world are just one of several possibilities”
I’ve been saying that since day one ….. All of the captured ‘western’ weaponry gathered in uKRAPistan SHOULD have been provided to Iran’s proxies in Syria and Iraq to be used to attack illegal fahclst amerikan facilities in those countries.
Nothing as demoralizing as to have your people killed by your own weaponry.

Posted by: Karl | Sep 11 2022 12:24 utc | 105

Sometimes, and this is one of those moments, the devil isn’t in the military details. I won’t belabor it since no one seems to listen. Suffice it to say, the illegitimate Biden regime is wholly focused on the information war within the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28210/share-of-respondents-thinking-russia-ukraine-neither-will-win-the-war/
The attached chart evidences their success as best as they can hope for under the totality of the circumstances. As should be evident by now to anyone who knows how to fog a mirror, there isn’t any limit to the misery and death that allies are expected to endure, Europeans much less Ukrainians. Look on the bright side, those ignorant of history are getting a lesson in Stalinist prioritizing. This time from the neocon filth in DC.
And, make no mistake, Russia is well aware that the Biden regime will make it worth Russia’s while to allow it to sell “Stalemate” or even Glorious Victory within reach for Ukraine if only we stay the course; rather than the reality of the self-created worst blow to US power and prestige since Vietnam, if not ever. All of the bone-chilling recent provocations (which I don’t need to list for this readership) have made it clear to Russia the lengths it will go to protect Democrats (and their RINO fit controlled opposition) from the Ukraine fiasco in November.
The G20 Bali Summit is a mere ten days or so after the US midterms. Going by the nonchalant reaction by the US and its villas to Indonesia inviting Putin, unless I miss my mark this meeting offers the prospect for a post-election deescalation/ceasefire/sanctions relief (for Europe).

Posted by: MLK | Sep 11 2022 12:25 utc | 106

All the world’s stages …. the Kokaine Klown of Kiev looks set to make a performance on every single one ….
Zelensky is be the keynote speaker, via video link, to a major meeting of American defense contractors
The Hill is confirming that “he headlines the annual Future Force Capabilities Conference and Exhibition hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA)” in Austin, Texas on September 21.
>Ukraine’s defense minister Oleksii Reznikov is also scheduled to address the conference.
Naturally, both are expected to emphasize a message that more and heavier arms are needed if Ukrainian forces hope to sustain their eastern and southern counteroffensive, which in the last days has been widely reported as successful – at least so far.
…………> Russia has been pushed back from Kharkiv …..and could be taking heavy losses, with the day prior Zelensky announcing Ukraine has taken back over 30 settlements in the region.
“We are gradually taking control over more settlements, returning the Ukrainian flag and protection for our people.” Zelenskiy said.
“Our army, intelligence, the Security Service of Ukraine continue active actions in several operational directions. They continue successfully.”
This is the message he’s expected to stress in addressing the major arms expo. In the audience will be representatives from the leading military weapons manufacturers in the US: 
News of the Ukrainian president’s speech to the NDIA — whose membership includes defense industry giants like Raytheon Technologies, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics — comes as Kyiv looks to fend off Russia’s invasion as it drags through its sixth month.
Eight defense contractors — including Raytheon, Lockheed and General Dynamics — attended a meeting at the Pentagon in April to discuss how the U.S. could speed up production to help Ukraine fend off Moscow’s war.
The U.S. has committed $15.2 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden administration, including $14.5 billion since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24.
A number of independent observers are noting just how obviously this brings to the fore one of the key motives of US hawks, especially officials tied closely to the military-industrial complex, who have shown no interest in pushing both warring sides to the negotiating table.
In fact, evidence has recently emerged strongly pointing to Washington and London playing the role of behind-the-scenes saboteurs to prior ceasefire talks.
~ Twitter: Max Blumenthal. @MaxBlumenthal. Fresh off his appearance at Wall Street, where he pitched corporations on the plunder of his country’s assets, Zelensky will appear at a conference of arms makers in Texas to present his country’s war as a fantastic business opportunity. #SlavaRaytheon.
>Zelensky will without doubt continue to get the red carpet rolled out for him by the world’s wealthiest defense firms, given he singularly remains the arms contractors’ #1 foreign client – and all at the expense of the common US taxpayer to boot.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/slava-raytheon-zelensky-headline-conference-us-defense-companies

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 12:28 utc | 107

I would take issue with this:

b.) thoroughly democratic in that they follow the public opinion of the majority of the people. They do not allow particular interest groups to have an oversized influence on it.
This can best be seen in the war Putin waged against those billionaires who, in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, tried to enter politics to prioritize their interests over all others. They were defeated and those who didn’t flee to London have since stopped to interfere with the state.”

Are you really saying that there are no billionaires/oligarchs that have political influence in Russia? Putin, IMHO, is not Stalin, unfortunately. The only group that Putin should be addressing is the working class, and their economic needs. Is he doing this? If he were, wouldn’t he be doing it through the CP? I would like to see the nazis in Ukraine removed from the earth. But, it seems that this SMO is still a struggle between oligarchs and I wonder if workers in either the US or Russia have any economic interest in this battle? I’m in the US, so I can’t speak to Russians. But, here in the US we need simple things like our roads and bridges fixed, education that doesn’t force us into debt peonage, healthcare for everyone (regardless if they can’t afford to pay), and most importantly – an economy that is controlled and planned by workers, not one that enriches a few people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk or generals who own stock in Raytheon

Posted by: zeke | Sep 11 2022 12:29 utc | 108

“As such I’d guess a huge portion of those casualties suffered under russian artillery fire weren’t “professional troops” they were dressed up civilians.”
S.O. (51).
Assuming that you are correct, how does that take into account the 50 miles incursion into Russian held territory. I can only suggest that the sortie took place at a possible weak spot along the 1,500 miles long frontline, pointed out by US satellites tasked to look for weak spots along the frontline.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 11 2022 12:31 utc | 109

Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 12:18 utc | 102
“……Jacob Dreizin believes Russia now has free hands to use tactical nukes.”
Who the fuck cares what some internet nobody thinks.
I rate him with a lower score for relevance than the used sock salesman of Kharkov.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 12:36 utc | 110

“Ukraine is slightly bigger, slightly more populous than Scotland.”
Scotch Bingeington (74)
The population of Scotland is around 5.5 million people, the population of Ukraine is around 40 million people. Ukraine is a huge country compared to the much smaller Scotland. I think you need to do a wee bit of homework on this.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 11 2022 12:37 utc | 111

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 11 2022 12:37 utc | 112
Scotch Bingeington (74) was being sarcastic. Probably at your surprise that Ukraine could seemingly reconsititute a mass army at fairly short notice.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 12:42 utc | 112

I can get the reasoning that Russia knew the offensive was coming and chose to evacuate most of its troops from Izyum; we’ll see how much captured equipment and how many prisoners Ukraine will be able to parade.
Still, there’s a moral, psychological aspect to war. The current Ukrainian advance strengthens the popular support across Ukraine, the resolve of its soldiers, and the Western support, both in arms and public opinion; meanwhile, it is bad optics for Russian military and as B says, Russian people will be upset.
This can’t be allowed to go on, and Russia has to put Ukrainian military back into its place if it wants to avoid more serious trouble. This means either a crushing of the current offensive, a counterattack from the North that would cut off most of the troops on the Oskil and will see major losses for Ukrainian army, or a major advance in Donetsk (or somewhere else), which would also cause significant Ukrainian losses in troops and land. Barring that, the current offensive will have a lasting effect on Ukrainian and Russian troops’ morale.
So, we’ll see what happens in the next few weeks…

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 11 2022 12:45 utc | 113

Strelkov believes a new counter attack in the direction of Uglegorsk is brewing.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 12:48 utc | 114

Posted by: John Dowser | Sep 11 2022 11:28 utc | 82

A little surprising that it’s not picked up here that Dima obviously misspoke quite a few times, big time.

I don’t know why anybody even takes Dima seriously. I am sick and tired of even hearing about him. I do not follow him at all; I neither read nor watch anything he puts out, so I’m only familiar with him from secondary sources such as this blog and The Duran. But he seems to me to be entirely clueless about everything, he has no more knowledge of anything than the Average Joe, and his public utterances are full of prevarications and waffles such that he never really commits to a position. Absolutely useless grifter.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Sep 11 2022 12:50 utc | 115

In answer to the observations as to why the RAF are not striking at supply lines in the west or striking at the current Ukrainian offensive, or indeed doing anything at all, I would suggest the answer is obvious. They can’t. They have neither the manpower, or the weaponry.
At some point people will have to recognise that the Ukrainians are a motivated, well trained and now well armed force. They are are fighting on home soil against an aggressor who has invaded their land. Putin so far, has created a hostile enemy on the borders of Russia and persuaded two countries, Finland and Sweden, to join NATO.
If this is 5d chess, I’d suggest Putin stick to checkers in future.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 11 2022 12:50 utc | 116

When it became apparent after the first weeks that Ukraine wasn’t going to roll over, but instead was going to dig in for the long haul, Russia should have switched from tactical to strategic and gone after that which a functioning state needs to maintain its cohesion. In practical terms, first and foremost, the power grid should have been knocked out in its entirety throughout Ukraine. Then transportation infrastructure in a big way, bridges, rail tunnels, all of it.
Then, water and sewer facilities in the major urban centers along with communications facilities. These things could have been degraded and kept the Ukrainians busy trying to patch up their civil engineering infrastructure and reduced their battlefield capabilities. It’s mystified me since the end of March as to why there are still lights on in Kiev. Russia should realize it’s not involved in an SMO anymore, but a real war.

Posted by: A. Pols | Sep 11 2022 12:53 utc | 117

Another proof that Russia is in reality fighting the US.
Ukraine and US cooperated on counteroffensive – NYT

Kiev and Washington have “constantly” discussed ways to blunt the Russian advance, an official told the newspaper

https://swentr.site/news/562581-ukraine-us-kharkov-nyt/

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 12:53 utc | 118

Who the fuck cares what some internet nobody thinks.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 12:36 utc | 111
Oh the irony.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 13:00 utc | 119

NATO is already in this conflict up to their chins, and some of the thousands of Nazis exterminated over the last couple days are not Ukrainian. As I said when the Kharkov operation started, keep your eyes peeled for some US military helicopter crashes, mostly over open water (Hawaii, Florida). The identities of the victims will be kept secret. For TV viewers: “Out of respect for the families.” For the families: “For national security reasons.” Because of the secrecy each helicopter crash can be used to explain away the deaths of fathers/husbands/sons to hundreds of different families.
Of course, the families know the deceased was in the Special Forces so they will suspect he didn’t die in a helicopter crash, but due to the nature of contemporary American empire he could have died in Syria, Somalia, Yemen, or any number of other places instead of the Ukraine. Furthermore, Americans have a patriotic duty to not add up the clues and draw inferences from them. If something is supposed to be secret then that means we’d best not try to figure it out either. Using our brains would just be helping the enemy, whoever that is.
Mark my words: Helicopter crashes.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 11 2022 13:01 utc | 120

Russia has a small force there are many weak spots.
Putin had zero issues paying a small army to throw old ass soviet era rockets and s300 missles at Ukraine while the west supports a massive army and an entire country during a fuel crisis.
The trade off is a massive win while it lasts.
The next couple of weeks will be interesting, either the west is ready for a deal and Zelensky is desperate to grab as much land as possible or Russia is in for a serious headache and a large scale messy war.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 11 2022 13:02 utc | 121

Oh Dear, shouldn’t have said the trolls were taking their sunday off. Meanwhile the killing goes on and on.And the trolls cheer and scold and bark…

Posted by: Anthony | Sep 11 2022 13:05 utc | 122

There are no gloves to take off. The mobilization will never happen because the West already cut off the treat supply and Russians are consumers now. They already lost their iPhones and Prada but Vladdy’s rich owners are keeping the burgers coming. If you take those away from consumers to feed the troops you’ll have a color revolution in a week.
This isn’t the Soviet Union. This has been a nation of consumers since the IMF buck-broke it with shock doctrine.

Posted by: linbiao | Sep 11 2022 13:06 utc | 123

Guesses range from 9,000 to 30,000 ground forces attacking the Allies south of Kharkov.
Question to the Bar:
How many of these ground forces are NATO military ‘volunteers’ ?

Posted by: Exile | Sep 11 2022 13:07 utc | 124

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 11 2022 12:50 utc | 117
In answer to the observations as to why the RAF are not striking at supply lines in the west or striking at the current Ukrainian offensive, or indeed doing anything at all, I would suggest the answer is obvious. They can’t. They have neither the manpower, or the weaponry.
That also doesn’t make sense because the Russians not only have the capability but have proven it. Precise kalibr strikes have been demonstrated before.
No. Russia is exercising the choice not to interdict weapons in the west because it is better to bleed all that effort and investment out of NATO’s supply chains and burn it up near the front.
Yes, there’s a risk but the pain of lugging all that equipment all that way just to have it roasted in an ammo dump just before the big day is worth it …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:09 utc | 125

It is rediculous to think that the entire front can be rigidly held. It is implicitly understood the the Russian/Allied forces are trying to due a lot with less and while minimizing losses in men and major equipment. Very tactical.
I think this is the result.
Now they will stiffen the configuration in the area of greatest loss. That is the mode they are in. Will it succeed?
The embrrassed response gives the impression of a bureaucratically led conflict – tragic if that is the case. Time and low intensity creates opportunity for adaptation and shifting conditions and support.
Ideally, the politacal leadership is only scantly away of the circumstances and administration of conflict. There are greater issues pressing.

Posted by: jared | Sep 11 2022 13:12 utc | 126

Standoff tactics are limited in what they can accomplish in immediate terms. Also not effective in holding.
Is my impression.

Posted by: jared | Sep 11 2022 13:15 utc | 127

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine – as of September 11, 2022
🔻The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation. The Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery are delivering high-precision strikes against units and reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region.
▪️As a result of the strikes, the manpower and military equipment of the units of the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of STAROVEROVKA, CHUGUEV and VOLOSSKAYA BALAKLEYA, the 113th brigade of territorial defense in the settlement of NOVAYA VODOLAGA, as well as the deployment point of foreign mercenaries in the area were hit settlement KLUGINO-BASHKIROVKA. The losses of the enemy amounted to over 200 servicemen and more than 20 units of military equipment.
▪️In addition, over the course of a day, concentrated fire strikes inflicted damage on units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of PRISTIN, BOLDYREVKA, SINIKHA, BELOE, KOMAROVKA, GOROHOVATKA, KUPYANSK, SENKOVO and PODvysokoye of the Kharkiv region. More than 250 Ukrainian servicemen, 12 armored vehicles, three field artillery pieces, one multiple rocket launcher and 17 vehicles were destroyed.
▪️In the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction, high-precision missile strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed the temporary deployment point of units of the 36th Marine Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev area. Enemy losses amounted to more than 100 military personnel, as well as 15 vehicles and armored vehicles.
▪️In total, only in these two directions from September 6 to September 10, the losses of the Kyiv regime amounted to more than four thousand killed and more than eight thousand wounded.
🔻The strikes by operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery on military facilities on the territory of Ukraine continue.
▪️High-precision ground-based missiles “Iskander” hit the manpower and military equipment of the 28th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during unloading at the railway station KRASNOARMEYSK of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
▪️In the area of ​​​​MIROLYUBOVKA, Kherson region, over 50 servicemen and 7 pieces of military equipment were destroyed as a result of air strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on units of the 60th Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
▪️Eight command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit, including the headquarters of the 93rd and 24th mechanized brigades in the areas of ARTYOMOVSK and RAYGORODOK of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the command and observation posts of the battalions of the 1st tank, 59th motorized infantry, 60th infantry brigades and 35th th brigade of marines in the areas of KALINOVSKOE, MARYANSKOE of the Dnepropetrovsk region, KALUGA of the Nikolaev region and BELAYA KRYNITSA of the Kherson region, as well as 43 artillery units, manpower and military equipment of the enemy in 103 districts.
▪️In the areas of the settlements of NIKOLAEVKA, Donetsk People’s Republic and Voznesensk, Mykolaiv region, ammunition depots were destroyed. In OLD BOGDANOVKA, Mykolaiv region, a radar station for detecting and tracking air targets was destroyed.
▪️Russian air defense systems shot down a Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Ugledar region of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Also, four unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down in the air in the areas of the settlements of TOMINA BALKA in the Kherson region, SNIGIREVKA in the Mykolaiv region and KIRILLOVKA in the Donetsk People’s Republic.
▪️Two Tochka-U ballistic missiles and two American HARM anti-radar missiles were shot down in the air near the village of Udy, Kharkiv region. In the area of ​​NOVAYA KAHOVKA, Kherson region, 12 shells of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system and nine rockets of the Alder multiple launch rocket systems were intercepted.
▪️In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 293 aircraft, 153 helicopters, 1933 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4883 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 831 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3378 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5469 units of special military vehicles.
🔻The Kiev regime, in order to destabilize the situation in the territory liberated by the Russian Armed Forces and cause suffering to the civilian population, continues deliberate shelling of energy infrastructure: generation facilities, transformer substations and power lines.
▪️Since September 1, the territory of the Zaporozhye NPP and the city of Energodar have been subjected to artillery shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine 26 times, including on the territory of the nuclear power plant. At the same time, as a result of aimed fire at the transformer substation on September 6 and the power line on September 8, the city of ENERGODAR was twice left without electricity.
▪️On the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Ukrainian artillery repeatedly struck at 22 important power supply facilities in order to de-energize settlements, kindergartens, life support facilities for the population and industrial enterprises.
▪️ On September 1, as a result of the strike, three mines of the Donetsk Coal Energy Company were de-energized, where dozens of miners were trapped underground.
▪️Yesterday, September 10, 19 transformer substations were de-energized due to the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Petrovsky district of the city of Donetsk. As a result of the shelling, more than 1,600 civilian objects were left without power supply.
▪️Daily strikes on power supply facilities of civilian infrastructure are carried out by the Kyiv regime intentionally and purposefully.

Posted by: Summary | Sep 11 2022 13:16 utc | 128

Posted by: A. Pols | Sep 11 2022 12:53 utc | 118

… Russia should have switched from tactical to strategic and gone after that which a functioning state needs to maintain its cohesion. In practical terms, first and foremost, the power grid should have been knocked out in its entirety throughout Ukraine. Then transportation infrastructure in a big way, bridges, rail tunnels, all of it. Then, water and sewer facilities in the major urban centers along with communications facilities …

Putin understands that not only does he have to win the war but he also has to win the peace.
When all is said and done, no matter which side is wins, Russians will still live alongside Ukrainians for centuries to come.
Therefore he gave and has been giving all the chances for Ukraine to take a peaceful solution.
The option to go full retard on civilian infrastructure will always be there (a war crime), he can exercise it at any time. However the moral costs will be enormous in times to come.
Why exercise such a desperate option, making a more radicalized enemy out of the Ukrainian population, without first trying purely military options first?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:20 utc | 129

Remember as an Italian friend told me
A Caporetto is followed by a Vitorio Veneto”
This looks like a battle of Caporetto for Russia to me – but if the right lessons learned, and the right actions are taken, with the right resources committed and a change in attitudes, that this is an existential war, then a battle of Vitorio Veneto should follow

Posted by: Aslangeo | Sep 11 2022 13:20 utc | 130

The more I think about it, the more seriously I am beginning to take the possibility that maybe Larry Johnson is right: Russia was not caught by surprise. And if ones entertains the idea (from The Duran) that Russia had got its eyes off the ball by focusing on the Vostok exercises and the Economic Forum in the Far East, doesn’t it go both ways? I mean: Isn’t it beginning to look like Russia already knows it is at war with Nato and, thus, makes a fool of itself near Kharkov, knowingly, in order to focus somewhere else, perhaps somewhere else in the West? Yes Kadyrov may be right that Russia will retake the area now lost but I think Russia is upping its game not only in Ukraine but on a global scale.
Btw, it has been suggested by iEarlGrey that the civilians that were left behind refused to be evacuated.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 13:21 utc | 131

aristodemo@55 Sep 11 22
I’m a slow typer and I can’t spell so I created a ‘pro-former’ in textedit with my handle and email. I then saved to my desktop as ‘pro-former’.
When I want to comment I open that file and copy it and my handle and email to the relevant places at the bottom of the MoA page.

Posted by: lambo56 | Sep 11 2022 13:21 utc | 132

To Arch Bungle
Far better to cut off supplies at source then have them used against you to degrade your own supplies and supply lines in the faint hope of catching them all in one place at some later date.
I’m simply saying post rationalisation of events isn’t going to help, when the obvious answer is staring everyone in the face. Nor is floating ideas like shipping in 100k of N Korean troops. For one that clearly sends the message Russia doesn’t have the manpower and two, the NK Govt is not going to let 100k troops out of the country. About half of them would defect before they got anywhere near Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 11 2022 13:23 utc | 133

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 11 2022 13:23 utc | 134
Agreed, and at the point the SMO was declared any idea that the present itineration of Ukranians would ever willingly accept or acknowledge a Greater Russia which includes their so-called lands as part of it, is a nonsense.
Bridges were burnt between all parties once the Minsk agreement failed.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 13:28 utc | 134

GMC @15:
” The Ukie HoChiMinh trail should have been closed { destroyed} months ago ”
Exactly right.
For only one instance, as it now stands delivering super-large dirigibles or entire mountain ranges into Ukraine is as easy as blackberry pie. The transportation infrastructure cannot continue to be a freeway for weapons of all sorts as it is now. This is Basic, 101.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 11 2022 13:28 utc | 135

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 13:21 utc | 132

The more I think about it, the more seriously I am beginning to take the possibility that maybe Larry Johnson is right: Russia was not caught by surprise. And if ones entertains the idea (from The Duran) that Russia had got its eyes off the ball by focusing on the Vostok exercises and the Economic Forum in the Far East …

I think the Alexanders from the Duran are wrong in the assessment that Putin took his eye off the ball.
Russia is fighting this war on both the Economic and Geopolitical fronts (as well as some others).
The Vostok exercises were critical to demonstrate that Russia is not isolated and to cement relations with other major powers in the region.
Not to mention these exercises are a major training exercise for what may be the form of future wars.
Likewise the Economic forum was a piece played upon the chessboard of economic warfare that is arguably more active than what’s going on in the Ukraine theater.
Neither of these could be neglected, but this doesn’t mean the Ukraine front was neglected either, after all why appoint generals to lead and direct war if Putin and Shoigu are needed to babysit everything every minute ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:29 utc | 136

I will have to take issue with b in paragraph 5 of top post. Rump Ukraine is not even that big a country. They do not have large, much less infinite, reserves of healthy young men to draw on. A week or so ago I posted a short analysis of why the current population could be 20 million. A few days ago I think it was aquadraht posited 16 million. Reviewing those numbers and how we arrived at them it might be even less. Neither of those posts got any response. Kindly think a moment about the reported numbers that have left the country this year, the numbers who had already left the country, the population of Donbass and Crimea still claimed as Ukrainian, the populations already working and living abroad for years still claimed on the books – it is a small rump country. And has already taken huge casualties.
No one is going to fight a war with old men. Ukraine has been issuing press releases about conscription for women for months and it is all just noise, it is not happening.
I don’t have any good explanation for how Uke got the raw numbers to Izyum and Kharkov. Together with food fuel and ammo. That that was achieved is not an indicator that they can do as much again. Their main suppliers are nearly out of ammo and lack the industrial base to provide more. Main goal is to keep an image of a war alive until November elections. They will move heaven and earth to not have a defeat before November. Even a total defeat by October 15 could be waved away in MSM for long enough. After elections Ukraine will be dropped and left to own devices.
Russia has had a bump in population with accession of new oblasts formerly Ukraine. They can handle a failed state 10% their size.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 11 2022 13:34 utc | 137

Ukraine lost thousands of soldiers in counteroffensive – Moscow

Over 4,000 pro-Kiev troops were killed in southern and eastern Ukraine in a five-day period, the Russian Defense Ministry claims

https://swentr.site/russia/562588-russian-military-ukrainian-losses/
…and yet Ukraine managed to scare the russians off the land.
No, this invasion is not working out well for the russians. If they are really out of luck it will end like the US Vietnam fiasco. Either they change their goals, strategy or this slow defeat will become more and more obvious before the winter is here.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 13:39 utc | 138

All the daily “body count” of the MoD of RF sounds vacuous to me, it is like the OKW detailing the long list of casualties of the soviet army in the first months of Barbarrossa, or the number of “destroyed enemies” Westmoreland sent to Washington in Nam, it means nothing if does not broke the means and the will of a nation to fight, if there are more millions people ready to die for Ukraine, as was the case in the Great Patriotic War or in Vietnam, it means nothing more than a sadistic exercise of killing effciency.
That is the reason, after the Vietnam fiasco, USA way of war and after was oriented toward the destruction of civilian infrastructure (“send them to the Stone Age”), sow internal division, promote colour revolution, PsyOPs, proxy armies, etc…, and only commit US soldiers in the case of a very weak isolated, not supplied by foreign powers army or better militia, as was the case in Irak 2003 or Afghanistan, when a few number of casualties are expected.
This is not the case of Ukraine, a big country, with a huge army, extremely well supplied with modern weapons from foreign countries, with the PsyOps favouring the Ukrainian side all around the world and inside Ukraine, and the rest of the western countries preparing their societies to a TotalKrieg and the Russians think they can continue with only a “Special Military Operation”….
I think Russia has two hard decisions to take:
a) Commit the whole country to a nasty war against millions of Ukrainian soldiers (+foreing mercs), because that is the plan of the USA + western countries (now they are arming and training many many thousands in their countries)
or
b) Try to achieve the best deal now, before the tide change dramatically against them and the Donbass, Kherson and Crimea population

Posted by: Dave | Sep 11 2022 13:39 utc | 139

Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 13:00 utc | 120
Well at least I accept my limitations.
I don’t go hosting a blog for clicks n dimes.
Nor do I imagine anyone would bother to breathlessly report my scribblings to other blog commentators…
Scroll on by, ….as I do to so many others here….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 140

It seems puzzling. Russia going slow. No urgency to finish the war. If you think about it, it is indeed something different from conventional war. The special military operation in Ukraine started with the objective of liberation of Donbass and taming/destroying the forces which try to subjugate the Russian population in Ukraine. With the sanctions imposed it immediately became a war between RF and NATO. Sanctions were a declaration of war. There was no attempt for dialogue and resolution. Russia is fighting this complex war. Ukraine has already lost, but the war with NATO continues, militarily in Ukraine and elsewhere otherwise.
It is fighting NATO militarily in Ukraine and economically on the world stage. In the latter, it is not alone but in the former it is alone. In any case, it is employing only a fraction of its resources to fight the war. Some major strategic victories rendered the control of large parts of Donbas and Mariupol. But no urgency, no willingness to risk too many lives of its own military or civilian lives. AFU is significantly depleted. Russians still not making decisive attacks. Why?
It is to contain the military theater of this war with NATO to Ukraine. NATO has no excuse to expand the theater of war to other countries. It can keep throwing money, arms, expertise, planning, everything except soldiers. And there too there are mercenaries or volunteers. Russia is willing to keep destroying them as they come. It does not see any chance of a reversal in the Ukrainian theater of war. Let the economic and diplomatic maneuvers continue. Let the crisis deepen within NATO. Too quick a decisive victory will galvanize the opposing side to escalate in unpredictable directions leading to a world war.
Ceasing to hold even a large territory is not such a tragedy, if you lose minimal lives, especially if it has no obvious strategic importance. It may have been a mistake or incompetence. But it is not a tragedy.
Putin is actually containing a possible world war by conducting the war the way he is doing. It would seem that the greater part of the world knows this and therefore they support silently and through their actions economically. Putin is letting NATO come to him and fight it wave after wave consuming the armaments, money, and soldiers. NATO has the burden of financing Ukraine and the war entirely. Suppose RF captured all of east Ukraine in a month or two at a great price of soldiers, arms and cost. Do you think NATO as of now will just accept it and move on? It is clear that they will take the worldwide war forward by any means available. Now they are constrained by the framework of conventional war between two countries.
Some are worried about the optics of strengths and weaknesses. But there is deeper optic at work. This is the optic of justice combined with the optics of strength that is operating world wide. The rest of the world knows what NATO is, at least now. The optics of democracy is shattered everywhere but in the West itself. The west is in a kind of slow and steady implosion and we can expect to see some process of recovery begin in future. It certainly won’t come from the elite. As of now the rest of the world has to treat the West in a delicate way so that it does not harm the world while it implodes.
The RF is forced to let the war continue with minimal losses and maintaining military advantage and protecting the crucial gains. A military reversal of a significant kind that will turn the war around and put Ukraine/NATO in the driver’s seat is not possible unless something entirely unpredictable intervenes. And that is what Russia is focused on in Ukraine. It makes sense to me. Many see it, but many more don’t.
It goes against our common sense that we let a war drag on when we have the capability of a decisive victory. But taking everything in east Ukraine including Odessa and Kharkov will be decisive is an illusion. The war will become intensified in fact. A series of decisive victories though is required perhaps. Like Mariupol and Lisichansk. There is no hurry though. The dismantling of the empire of lies is going to be a long and unpredictable process. Keep all your angles covered.

Posted by: Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 141

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:29 utc | 137
Everything you says at the very least quite possible. Anyway, there is something staged about the whole affair, like the retreat from Izium for instance. In other words, the Russians just wanted everything to look a certain way. I don’t think this is wishful thinking, just a very realistic way of looking at things. Of course, mistakes were made but, still, this is like the new and improved RUSSIAN version of information war: it lets Western propaganda outlets tell the West what the Russian wanted them to tell the West. Something is happening while it is the West that took its eyes off the ball.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 13:42 utc | 142

The area was “taken” (or abandoned) at a large, still unknown, cost. Per Intel Slava, 4,000 dead,12,000 injured in Kherson-Kirov-Rog area alone.
I think the front line is now longer, not shorter.
Intel Slava says Veliky Burluk is the area to watch right now. They anticipate Ukr will try to take it & we’ll see how much they have left.
Re: any residents left behind, Russia has encouraged evacuation of contested territories since the start. Land is gained, and is lost. Always a risk to stay behind. They have accommodated refugees since the start. They evacuated as many as they could. Pray for any who wouldn’t or couldn’t get out.
In the meantime, this is now a cauldron with 30-50,000 Ukr troops trapped inside it. Re-supply is logistical nightmare. Russia saw what was coming, started evac in advance leaving just local & national guard as rear guard. Per interviews with 2 commanders, they let them go as far as needed to stretch the lines thin enough to support coming destruction. Also, per interview, they were led by UK & US forces. Time will tell.
Yes, Russia cares about its soldiers, as does their military. Aside from being family, modern weapons require high skills & training to master.
The US treats its soldiers like easily replaced cannon fodder. Russia treats its soldiers with care.
Waste not; want not.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 11 2022 13:43 utc | 143

Kadyrov suggests that Putin may not understand what events are unfolding in the “SMO”:
https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2810

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 13:45 utc | 144

It’s a numbers game. The Russians are heavily outnumbered. A massed ukie formation should have been pounded, but such wasn’t possible. The ukies will do what Stalin did, trade blood for victory. Russia should know this and act accordingly, being prepared to harvest the blood.

Posted by: seer | Sep 11 2022 13:48 utc | 145

A few fair & perhaps valid questions:
1. Long before planning the SMO, did RF strategic planners know that since 1990 USMIL battle management strategy had been based on “massive, overwhelming & decisive” strike capabilities?
2. At least by the time RAND Corp analysis in 2019 on strategy of “baiting, overextending & bleeding Russia” in Ukraine was published, did RF strategic planners comprehend the long term strategic objectives of US in Ukraine & why it was prepositioning massive levels of materiel & hardware in Ukraine since 2014?
3. Did RF strategic planners shortly after 2014 knew that the upcoming baiting war vs Russia was not going to be between Ukraine & Russia but a war in which USMIL planners & battle management battalions (utilizing 200+ AI-managed satellite intel to identify land threats) would use US-trained Ukrainians & 1000s of well-paid ISIS-modeled mercenaries as robots to obey targeting commands from BMS battalions using real time sat intel to operate a massive & overwhelming volume of prepositioned USMIL materiel & hardware vs Russian land threats?
4. If RF planners knew the above-referenced critical points, then why did they not plan this SMO as a full scale mobilization to quickly overwhelm the Ukrainian forces in early 2022 and seal off its borders & airports to prevent USMIL clear objective to bring in & preposition the hardware volume that its AI-BMS engineers defined as necessary for phase 01 of August 30+ overextending & bleeding operation?
5. It’s not clear why RF strategic planners having analyzed the prepositioning & buildup of USMIL in both wars vs Iraq over several months (1990 & 2003) allowed USMIL to repeat the same planning over the past six months, e.g., with long lines of USMIL hardware (including 97,000 ATGM & 100s of M142 HIMARS) to stretch for miles at Polish-Ukraine border to allow the USMIL to position itself in present posture.

Posted by: AIBMS | Sep 11 2022 13:50 utc | 146

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 13:45 utc | 145

Kadyrov suggests that Putin may not understand what events are unfolding in the “SMO”:

Why does it matter what Putin knows?
What about Shoigu and Gerasimov?
What about the chain of command?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:56 utc | 147

Guesses range from 9,000 to 30,000 ground forces attacking the Allies south of Kharkov.
Question to the Bar:
How many of these ground forces are NATO military ‘volunteers’ ?
Posted by: Exile | Sep 11 2022 13:07 utc | 125
——-
I thought I read here that 20% are NATO soldiers who resign to fight as “volunteers” while gaining service credit to their home armies

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 11 2022 13:59 utc | 148

US battle doctrines are inherited from the Nazi German Wehrmacht, namely the blitzkrieg and schwerpunkt. The Kharkov offensive had all these characteristics of probing, bypassing strong points with mobile reconnaissance forces, now they are in the process of filling in the gaps and taking the left overs. I’m surprised how long the Russians held a corridor to Balakleya open though.
To counter blitzkrieg you need layered defenses to slow down the mobile groups and never, ever, let your group be encircled or even on many sides. The terrain SE Kharkov also made it more difficult to repeat the successful defense at Kherson, on open plains. Losing this Kharkov territory is not the end of the world, but one problem is the road from Kharkov to Kramatorsk and Slavyansk is open, making the original objective at Donbass kind of moot.
On the highest level this is a struggle between Nato and Russia + BRICs. The mobilization potential makes it possible to create another “unexpected” attack, like they say now in Ugledar direction.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 14:00 utc | 149

“Ukraine is slightly bigger, slightly more populous than Scotland.”
This takes the cake for stupidity:
Ukraine: 600000 km², 40 million people
Scotland: 80000 km², 5.5 million people.
Where on earth do you have such notions of geography?

Posted by: bottle | Sep 11 2022 14:03 utc | 150

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 11 2022 13:34 utc | 138
I’ve read a good number of the soldiers in the offensive were NATO, don’t know if this is true.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 11 2022 14:05 utc | 151

I don’t know much about military strategy which is why I read M of A, Andrei M, Larry J and the Saker everyday
But what is the strategic value of abandoning your weaponry during said retreat?
Not concern trolling, but if this was known for a week, wouldn’t there be a plan for removing weaponry along with personnel?
I recognize Copium from the daily battles with Uki trolls over at Zerohedge.

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 11 2022 14:06 utc | 152

Yesterday : Russia may use chemical weapons. Current chant : Russia may use tactical nuclear weapons.
And tomorrow? How abput its strategic missile force?

Posted by: DilNir | Sep 11 2022 14:06 utc | 153

[Forwarded from War in Ukraine, Subtitled]
Ukrainian troops are engaged in wide-spread looting and murder in the captured territories of Kharkov region: according to the sources on the ground, looting groups of Ukrainian militants broken into the basement, where a wealthy Roma family, owning a large restaurant in Izyum, was hiding from the shelling, and requested to hand over valuables at a gunpoint. When they declined, the head of the family was shot on the spot.
Another reported case, apparently in Izyum, too, was an assault on the house of a local businessman. The Banderites blew the door, the owner was killed by the explosion before he could even open the door.
Similar messages arrive from Kupyansk, where groups of Ukrainian militants go door-to-door, raiding private apartments and houses. #context

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/19626

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 14:13 utc | 154

So, I’m still just sitting at this bar, after visiting a few others, listening to all the conversations careening off each other, polishing off another drink, and still suspending judgment.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Sep 11 2022 14:13 utc | 155

It’s a feigned retreat, the favorite tactic of the Mongols.
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od4oGwbLjDs.
Now look at where the Mongol Empire controlled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od4oGwbLjDs
Also read the bio of Sergei Shoigu, from the Tuvan tribe base in Mongolia and Eastern Russia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu
In the next few days, Ukrainian soldiers who have left their bunkers and human shields behind will start to get picked off one by one. They will call for reinforcements, who will also get hit. Asking to retreat, they will be told to “die where they stand” and will do so.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 11 2022 14:14 utc | 156

About the notion of the “SMO”: since when can you fight the war you want to fight? Regrettably the enemy has a say in that too.
Especially if that enemy is the whole of NATO.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 11 2022 14:16 utc | 157

NEW TO ME TODAY: ‘Sometimes, to move forward, you need to take a step back. The Russian side follows the plan.
The fighters of the Russian Federation left Izyum, Kupyansk and Balakleya of the Kharkiv region. Why Russia left the liberated cities as part of a special operation in Ukraine was told by military expert Viktor Litovkin in an exclusive conversation with 5-tv.ru.
“We made a maneuver because we occupied the cities, but the rear was not secured, we did not have reserves in the back. We started to transfer them quite late. Because Ukraine focused a big punch in a place where we had a thin one. Ukraine uses the recommendations of the United States and NATO, which constantly monitor the situation from their intelligence satellites,” the political scientist said.
According to him, the West knows where the dense concentration of Russian troops is, and where it is “thin”. The Russian military had to leave the cities near Kharkov and concentrate on the Donetsk direction. The specialist added that after its complete liberation, and this, according to Litovkin, is 15-20% of the territory, it will be possible to advance on Kharkiv with greater confidence.
“Also, we must then liberate Zaporozhye, Mykolaiv and Odessa regions. I have already given an example that during the Great Patriotic War Kharkov was taken three or four times. We released him, then we were forced to leave. Although there were many more troops, and we did not spare the houses at that time, because they were already all destroyed. The city was stormed from all kinds of guns and aircraft,” Litovkin commented.
The interlocutor noted that now the Russian troops are doing this selectively and elegantly, namely, “surgically”. If Russia has retreated today, it does not mean that it has done so forever.
“Tomorrow we will return all these cities,” the expert concluded.’

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Sep 11 2022 14:16 utc | 158

@Geraint ap Iorwerth #158,

Sometimes, to move forward, you need to take a step back. The Russian side follows the plan.

Some days back, I made a joke here that “forward is good but backward is better” should be added to the usual list of affirmations (trust the Clobber List, slow is best). Very amusing to watch that become a reality.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 14:19 utc | 159

@23 Altai
“that’s why the neocons hate Obama so much for the Iran deal, it was a rare example of a US president acting to remove an avenue of war against an enemy of Israel. And that’s why when Trump stupidly took the US out of the treaty that Biden has made no effort to set it up again despite supposedly hating Trump and lauding the treaty when he was in the Obama admin. And ultimately why the outcome of the war doesn’t matter so much as how long it lasts for.”
Obama, Trump, Biden, the Democrats, the Republicans … non of the mentioned has a hand in the Iran deal. It is the deep state.
The deep state went for Iran deal under one assumption that is removing the sanctions and allowing Iran to have big economic gains will strengthen the oppositions inside Iran who do not want to continue with the Iranian stance in the region, and ultimately to give the American leverage to attach Syria while making sure Iran will not throw its heavy weight on Syria in the fear of losing all the economic gains. That did not happen. Iran’s strategic goals remained unchanged, and that’s when the deep state realized the Iran deal was not going as planned for, which was later translated into pulling out of the deal when Trump was in office.

Posted by: Man | Sep 11 2022 14:25 utc | 160

Nice write up. At the core of this Russia is fighting NATO. How many body bags will NATO accept will become an issue years from now. This war has a long life and we are in the early stages. Even if things cool off for a time NATO will use that time to rebuild, reequip, and retrain.
We are far from the point of exhaustion on either side and obviously there are no peacemakers in sight on the NATO side. Can the European public throw off their leaders and force an end to this? Sure but it would take one hell of a fight on their part to change these policies.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 14:26 utc | 161

@142
Great post. Thank you! It gives me some piece, cause it is the most fitting analysis I’ve read till now.

Posted by: Telefonkabel | Sep 11 2022 14:26 utc | 162

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 14:26 utc | 161
As long as there is food on the shelfs, no, they won’t remake 1789. Continuing double digit inflation for several years might, though. It’ll take a while.
And additionally they are printing several hundred billion euros to “freeze” electricity bills, but it won’t save from industrial collapse and rolling and occasional blackouts. It might keep the serfs in a deluded state of happiness, tho. We’ll see what happens in the daunted winter. I suspect the problems will not end in the winter, but continue for many years, like the Belgian prime minister told us.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 14:30 utc | 163

I thought I read here that 20% are NATO soldiers who resign to fight as “volunteers” while gaining service credit to their home armies
Unlikely. While there will be foreign fighters the bulk will be Ukrainian. It is more palatable for Russia to believe it is being defeated by NATO troops and command, then being defeated by Ukrainians. The UAF is being supplied by NATO, that is fact. Everything else is wishful thinking.
It is also a mistake to underestimate your opponent, and Russian thinking is very dismissive of Ukrainian capabilities. This underestimation is why Russia invaded with 190k troops in the mistaken belief Ukrainians would not fight and the leadership in Kiev would cut and run. We are seeing the consequences of that mistake now.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 11 2022 14:33 utc | 164

Mainstream, BBC, I think it was, news cheering for Ukraine’s biggest offensive. Reports that Russian supply lines are being cut off and Russian Soldiers are trapped in and around Izium.
No mention of casualties.
Included a Little cameo by Elinsky. Bombastic rhetoric.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 11 2022 14:37 utc | 165

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 11 2022 13:34 utc | 138
The statement that the west has exhausted weapons stocks is true and yet misleading – they are preparing and fully capable to produce more and better. And people will become increasingly weathy doing so. The governments… not so much.
There is a lot of unnecessary, misleading, rehashing and delusional analysis – wasting everyones time.

Posted by: jared | Sep 11 2022 14:40 utc | 166

@ Posted by: Objective Observer | Sep 11 2022 14:13 utc | 155
Perhaps you are reseaching subject for New York Times?

Posted by: jared | Sep 11 2022 14:42 utc | 167

…… A week or so ago I posted a short analysis of why the current population could be 20 million. A few days ago I think it was aquadraht posited 16 million. …….
Old Hippie – very important data point. also one should note since 2014, around 2/3s of the working age population voted with their feet and fled overseas. Therefore, in your estimate of ~20 million population, the share of military age men must be small.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 11 2022 14:45 utc | 168

Seems Mercouris got it right a few days ago: this is all a planned retreat because Izyum etc is no longer seen as critical. Whether a withdrawl happened on schedule (or was hurriedly because NATO struck before anticipated) time will tell. Not clear how many vulnerable civilians, military assets, etc Russians left behind. We’ll see.
I think Russians mindset doesn’t worry much about retreating – conceptually there is an almost infinite amount of Mother Russia to retreat to, and eventually an invader will have long and untenable supply lines to support. I suspect the Russians learned a thing or two about the German retreat after Stalingrad, which was surprisingly ordered and well executed. Certainly the French retreat with Napoleon was chaos. Like in fencing, its important to know how to nimbly move backwards while putting up a vigorous defense.
One needs the right tool for the job and clearly the Russian toolkit was way too small to do what they need to do in Ukraine. One can claim the toolkit matches the mission, but what just happened is rationalization – paring down the mission to match the toolkit. That never comes without a price.

Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 11 2022 14:53 utc | 169

Gives Ukrainian fanatics a dilemma though.
1. Offer the Russians The Crimea by treaty along with enough water.
2. Keep fighting hard all over.
The taste of a win here or there can intoxicate addicts.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 11 2022 14:53 utc | 170

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 13:09 utc | 126
There is also one good reason why Russia isn’t hitting supplies when they come into western Ukraine. It is because they are transported in civilian trucks or mixed trains (cargo trains with passanger cars), so they are numerous, hard to identify and bound to have civilian casualties if hit.
Ukie PR scum salivates on idea of train composition burning with passenger cars, or bus by the road, next to trucks full of javelins

Posted by: Abe | Sep 11 2022 14:55 utc | 171

@Evan #94:

“In the end the Soviet Union simply outproduced the German Reich and its allies in nearly everything – tanks, airplanes, cannons, ammunition, fuel, food and soldiers – which enabled its victory. (The much propagandized U.S. role in this was historically a mere sideshow.)”
I suggest you read Stalin’s War instead of blithering about with this ignorant bullshit.

You are the one blithering about with ignorant bullshit.
Sean McMeekin, the author of Stalin’s War, is another pseudo-historian propagandist (like MI6 puppet Vladimir Rezun a.k.a. “Viktor Suvorov”) who is pushing the lie that the Soviet Union was about to attack Nazi Germany.
In reality, the leadership of the Soviet Union knew since the early 1930s that Germany will eventually invade and was doing everything to: (a) develop the arms industry as quickly as possible, (b) postpone German invasion for as long as possible via diplomacy.

Posted by: S | Sep 11 2022 14:55 utc | 172

unimperator @ 163
I thought that was a fairly smart move by the EU. They can also print money for those who lose industrial jobs just like what happened in the US with covid. I know many who sat on their asses a long time with that money.
Tom UK @ 164
All of that could be true. The level of NATO support on the ground with bodies is not proven. Body bags and obituaries will prove it. Like one poster said, there will be a bunch of military accidents in the US and obituaries as well.
The second biggest operation of the US during Vietnam was Indonesia and much of it was accomplished by the US military in support on the quiet. It was never noticed.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 14:56 utc | 173

@ aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 10:25 utc | 55
OT technical
Hey aristodemos
I too use an apple device. I have found that refreshing the page (with Mac software) erases one’s text for posting, so best to copy the text of your post before refreshing when timed out. Most of us compose in separate note and copy paste to prevent time outs from happening. All the best.

Posted by: suzan | Sep 11 2022 14:58 utc | 174

Posted by: Jhaji | Sep 11 2022 13:40 utc | 142
Well said.

Posted by: Ross | Sep 11 2022 15:04 utc | 175

„ Kadyrov suggests that Putin may not understand what events are unfolding in the “SMO”:
https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2810
Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 11 2022 13:45 utc | 145
No. Kadyrow says exactly the opposite.

Posted by: njet | Sep 11 2022 15:10 utc | 176

Kharkov-Izyum front.
Very stupid that the Russians are permitting resupply of UAF.
All rail lines east of Lvov should have been destroyed.
Basic principle – destroy logistics.
If Russia has so many Kalibrs, Onyks and Kinzhals, why do they play games and not unleash a total blitzkrieg on Ukie military infrastructure?
More TOS-1 and TOS-2 in the battlefields.
And battlefield thermobaric bombs delivered by Su-25 strike aircraft.
Days of negotiating finished after March due to edicts by BoJo and Mr. Blinyi from DC.
If the Kremlin wants to bleed the EU/NATO into submission, at what cost in Russian military and Donbass militia lives?
Stupidly the Russian General Staff and the Kremlin underestimated the depth of the Nazi plague that has infested Ukraine since 1991. Especially after 2004.
The Nazis are alive and well in Lvov, and latterly, Kiev. The Uniate element, supported by the Vatican.
Maybe Russia has decided to destroy EU economies and NATO military capacity.
Reduced NATO would also assist China.
That would explain a drawn out conflict in Ukraine, reduced gas supply, with “General Winter” subduing the EU – riots, change of governments.
Exposing the EU underbelly to the world.
In 1917 – The Bankers said – “We only need one America”.
Times change.
Some things are not forgotten.
.

Posted by: Ned | Sep 11 2022 15:11 utc | 177

Russia’s leadership apparently intentionally allows this breakthrough?
Because it was not for any secret service in the world, for Indian Russian satellites to hide where how many troops are being drawn together!
Thesis :
Russia wanted Ukraine to be able to report success???
Russia had to give Ukraine , NATO the opportunity to save face !
Russia had to make it appear in the eyes of the world that this is the reason for starting negotiations now?
DEN THAT LAROW JUST OFFERED!!!!
Hear hear…. until yesterday not a word about it, on the contrary…. Achieving the goal of the SMO was a prerequisite !!!
Suddenly Moscow holds out the prospect of negotiations… save face for both no THREE sides ????
You can think what you want, analyze as you want, all strange coincidences or failure of the military leadership???
As I said thesis !!!
But the West reports loudly that Moscow is now ready for negotiations…Reason:
Ukraine has recaptured 4000 km2 of land ??
Exactly the message the West needs to save face….

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 11 2022 15:11 utc | 178

@95 evan
Yes, working my way through Stalin’s War, now.
Adjusted for today’s value, the Soviets received 180 billion worth of equipment. Notice that much of today’s money going to Ukraine is being looted by various fingers en route, and that some of it is indeed going to the info pysyop which is currently helping to flood the boards here with pro-NATO keyboard warriors. The Soviets not only received 1/3 of their planes at a pivotal moment in the war, industrialists were also conscripted from the U.S. to lead the modernization of Russian factories so the end result of massive Soviet production at the end of the war was in part largely due to exporting western brain power.
Other than this little misjudgement, this post was helpful and calming re: the situation. Thx, b.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 11 2022 15:11 utc | 179

Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 11 2022 14:53 utc | 170

Whether a withdrawl happened on schedule (or was hurriedly because NATO struck before anticipated) time will tell.

I have waited all this time, up until now, the timestamp of this comment, to post any opinions anywhere online at all about this, because I just wasn’t ready yet. After considering the matter carefully, this is the view I’ve come around to. It was a planned withdrawal by Russia, but NATO hit sooner and/or in greater force than anticipated, which accounts for the few Russian missteps. Nonetheless, the battlefield situation is still what Russia had intended, and the Ukrainian invaders will shortly be destroyed.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Sep 11 2022 15:12 utc | 180

Headline on German TV
Zelenski checks whether he can deliver coal for the power plants in Poland !!
.
Question : Which coal mines, which open-cast coal mines are still running in the Ukraine, and who operates the machines when everyone is forced to do military service at the front ??
.
Who is lying to whom here?

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 11 2022 15:17 utc | 181

Agreed.
No matter what they choose to do, this whole ‘we didn’t start anything’ narrative only works up until you get a bloody nose.
I am not talking about e tactical defeat, which will likely be reversed in a short time, but the strategic defeat of allowing Ukraine more breathing space and to achieve the PR success right at the moment when crushing it could have shaved months or years even off the war. Avoiding any success for Zelesnsky before the Rammstein meetings should have been a higher priority. Now Russia will have to pay a price for this PR win, which will materialise with even more weapons and rejuvenated higher morale soldiers to have to eliminate than before..

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 11 2022 15:22 utc | 182

Well at least this removed Yenwoda’s mask.
The salient point is that if Ukraine takes back 1,000 km2 every week it will require two years to reconquer Ukraine. And ask seriously, how realistic is that. What we’ve seen recently looks like hoarding almost 6 months of resupply, retrained troops and all the assistance the west can give right up to inserting actual fighters. It managed to conquer a fair bit of territory but that was mostly uncontested and Russia managed an orderly retreat including civilian evacuations (something Ukraine has never even bothered with).
There are significant and obvious problems for Russia right now. How it addresses them is the question that still requires an answer. But in the bigger picture, I would suggest that this counteroffensive is the result of growing western panic. It cannot sustain Ukraine indefinitely in a war of attrition; winter for Ukraine will be desperate; winter for Europe may not be much better; and without some significant “victory” or escalation the whole thing may fall on the heads of western leadership. So similar to spring 22, it’s a moment of now or never. Decisions driven by that kind of thinking are dangerous and this is a gamble the west now has to take. But the only success available is a complete collapse of the Russian military, which hasn’t even entered the conflict in full yet. NATO defeated primarily militias and national guard in Kharkov. Now it’s at the Russian border with another decision.
Will the west risk invading Russia? Can it control its proxy enough to keep that proxy from doing so? Potshots at Belograd are one thing, infra try crossing the border is a very different thing. The risk of significant escalation grows because the west can’t do anything but.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 11 2022 15:24 utc | 183

We do not have enough information to judge whether the Russian withdrawal was a sign of weakness, defeat, or a part of a bigger strategic game. I find it highly implausible that the Russian military may have been unaware of the massing of Ukrainian troops in Kharkov region. British MSM are parroting Ukrainian self-congratulatory statements that their real target was Kharkov region and the failed Southern counter-offensive was only meant to deceive the Russians. I do no believe this for a second. The Ukrainian target was and is in the South. The Russians know this. It is worth rereading the official statement of the Russian MoD, which many commenters thought a lame excuse for a humiliating defeat, and take it at face value to the extent possible.
Here it is:
The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed the withdrawal of troops from multiple locations across Ukraine’s Kharkov region. The development comes amid a offensive in the area by Kiev.
“In order to achieve the goals of the special military operation, a decision was made to regroup troops in the areas of Balakleya and Izyum in order to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction,” the Russian military said in a statement on Saturday.
The troops stationed in the area have been “re-deployed” over the past three days into territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the ministry claimed. During the operation, the military has performed a “number of distracting and demonstration activities imitating the real action of troops,” it added, without providing any further detail on said maneuvers.
Thr bigger problem is that Russian forces cannot defend a 1500-km frontline with the resources so far devoted to the conflict. This means that a change of strategy is called for and we will probably see this in the coming days and weeks.

Posted by: Don Quixote | Sep 11 2022 15:24 utc | 184

It’s a komplex war war of attrition on all levels, from both sides. The question is which side will suffer more. For me no question: Russia is successfully „extending“ the empire.
# 142 gives a good and fresh picture, when he says:
„It goes against our common sense that we let a war drag on when we have the capability of a decisive victory.“
That’s the point. In the war and here in the bar.

Posted by: njet | Sep 11 2022 15:27 utc | 185

Russia must adapt to this.

Why? Why not just withdraw back to Minsk treaty line, end the war and stop the slaughter?

Posted by: Sean | Sep 11 2022 15:29 utc | 186

“The Kremlin was and is extremely averse to Russian casualties. In this war it prioritizes Russian lives over everything else.”
If that’s so, how is it that webcams in the liberated areas are still available to the world? On pro-UA sites like ObservationRoom you can see Alliance soldiers shopping, tanks passing by, etc. As of now there’s a field gun parked outside a shop in Donetsk. What kind of security is that?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 11 2022 15:32 utc | 187

b, extremely insightful point about Putin viz. nationalists, who are his main critics within RF body politic, and how they will now probably be urging further effort, even escalation which strengthens, not weakens, his position. Good judo.
All leaders in war are dealing with enemies both without and within. As well as fighting the enemy on the kinetic field, they also have to play to the home crowd. The SMO thus far has been labelled and carefully discussed as a limited operation with limited goals. Yes, there are widespread geopolitical ramifications which seemingly RF understood better than anyone else, but tactically they have kept things small and mainly relied on extensive artillery from a distance which has inflicted steady losses on the enemy whilst incurring minimal one’s to the home team. There are numerous reportedly first-hand accounts of Ukrainian soldiers dying or being sent back injured from these shellings from an enemy they have never once seen.
As you pointed out, the Russian people are now much more aware of the existential and geopolitical aspects of the conflict, presumably seeing it as a civilizational struggle both for themselves and neighbouring Europe and determining how the up and coming Eurasian civilization with Russia playing a lead role therein will develop. They have confidence that their leaders care for their lives as well as their destiny and are as well primed as any people in the modern era to endure a longer war if necessary. This is no small thing. Strangely, the short-term debacle this week may have strengthened the Russian Federation war leader’s hand. Good judo again.
Personally, I doubt a longer war will be necessary. The West is an over-extended over-financialized, over-hyped, over-manipulated, over-spoiled House of Cards. Leaders and people are at more odds with each other than the elites leading their nations are with Russia. Indeed it seems they will soon be imploding despite the huge power they enjoy thanks to their trillions in fiat currency.
Time will tell.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 15:33 utc | 188

Russia stopped the militias of Donbass from annihilating the kettled Ukrainians (and by all accounts, NATO handlers) in 2014, much to the anger and dismay of pro-Donbass supporters.
Russia allows the US to keep 30% of Syria, displacing Syrians with Kurds and allowing the US to steal Syria’s oil and wheat.
OK, a case can be made for each of these situations.
Maybe Russia was not ready to take on NATO in 2014.
Maybe Russia is reluctant to start a world war in Syria.
But having 50,000 Ukie/NATO troops overextended in Kharkov surrounded by Russia forces? Having a chance to wipe out the people who are coming to kill you and take over your country? Throwing ethnic Russians to the death squads while refusing to kill their attackers? Backing away and leaving helpless civilians at the “mercy” of vicious men on Captogon because Russia doesn’t want to kill Americans in a country where Americans should not be? It looks like Russia cares more about American soldiers than they do ethnic Russian civilians.
No excuse.
Now if Russia wipes out those 50,000 troops under cover of the Mighty Wurlitzer song of triumph, while the world thinks they have left, and the nazis are doing their happy dance, then I will revise my opinion.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 11 2022 15:34 utc | 189

Martyanov quoted a Larry Johnson piece. The Johnson piece is well worth reading.
https://sonar21.com/understanding-planning-orders-and-troop-movements-in-ukraine/
Larry explained the planning required for major military moves/operations and the time period that takes. It becomes clear that Russia has timed its final withdrawal from the Kharkov region to the Ukraine offensive. Although Russia inflicted large numbers of casualties on the exposed Ukraine forces, the withdrawal was designed to look like a massive Ukraine victory when Ukraine needed a victory for Ramstein. I suspect the reason for that is to ensure Europe and US maintain or increase their self destructive economic policies and sanctions.
I have written up some thoughts here, too long for a comment, though the comment threads on Kharkov/Izyum have been a waste of time anyway. https://vk.com/@739151204-kharkiv-izyum-front

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 11 2022 15:34 utc | 190

@S.O. | Sep 11 2022 10:19 utc | 51

I’d guess a huge portion of those casualties suffered under russian artillery fire weren’t “professional troops” they were dressed up civilians.

In the leaked report about the UK training of 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers, the UK staff refer to the press-ganged civilians as trainees who had not received basic training and who would be slaughtered in conflict.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 11 2022 15:40 utc | 191

@oleg | Sep 11 2022 7:44 utc | 6 & MLK | Sep 11 2022 12:25 utc | 107:
helpful observations and good perspectives. many thanks to both and to b.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 11 2022 15:40 utc | 192

Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 11 2022 7:49 utc | 7
“My biggest criticism of Russia is they aren’t integrating with China fast enough. The Chinese industrial capacity is huge, it is the biggest advantage the Allies have, which ultimately makes China the top target and the biggest worry for The Empire.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++
China is going through internal stress, whether by accident or design. Banking lock-outs, real estate crashes, huge numbers of tens of millions strictly locked down, a first in world history. I ordered some tea from Shanghai a few months ago when the lock-downs there had just started. The owner told me they could only go to their business one half-day a week and instead of daily shipment availability it was once a fortnight, and this sort of thing was true for all exporters. Since then hundreds of millions have been locked down in series I believe.
Someone with a suspicious, distrustful and deeply cynical perspective like myself might suggest that this is all part of a collapse plan, that they are both getting their people ready for war – biowarfare – and also breaking supply chains to the West under cover of medical emergency. But of course this might be over-thinking. In any case, they are going through a huge internal slow-down right now for whatever reason and I suspect this is why Russia is not leaning on them so much.
Also: we have no evidence that Russia has any supply problems yet, do we? And NK is chomping at the bit to help: that way their soldiers will get fed properly if nothing else!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 15:40 utc | 193

Well me-self for one must humbly say this is one dandy of a piece of critical thinking writing, most excellent. Personally, this is the best piece by far anyone has composed in days regarding the present developments of the Izium pocket. Thats saying a lot because there are a few excellent analysis’ in this community of worthy bloggers. I can see the brain sweat you put into this, concise, brief, to the very heart of the matters which are critical.
Hats off and Big Bravo!
My true sincere appreciation to you Mr. MofA.
Most humbly you definitely deserve the praise and the thanks for a job well considered and done.
I mean every word on this.

Posted by: one armed blacksmith | Sep 11 2022 15:44 utc | 194

I fully accept the possibility that the West may win somehow but supposing the Russians accept it too, the “mistakes” they are making seem too amateurish to be really organic. Putin was supposed to be a globalist stooge and a WEF “young leader” some time ago so why wouldn’t he have something more original up his sleeve?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Sep 11 2022 15:48 utc | 195

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 11 2022 8:03 utc | 13

– I, Ramzan Kadyrov, officially declare to you that all these cities will be returned back. Our guys are already there. Another 10,000 fighters are ready to leave;
– In the near future we will reach Odessa, you will see concrete results;
…..
– If today or tomorrow changes are not made to the conduct of a special military operation, I will be forced to contact the country’s leadership in order to explain to them the situation on earth. She is very interesting, “awesome” I would say;
…..
– I know one thing. Russia will win. NATO weapons will be suppressed by the spirit of our fighters. Our hands and feet are already trembling.

Ooh Rah!!
Whatever their highest medal is he should get it!
The Patton of his time…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 15:51 utc | 196

armchair ‘experts’ and trolls to boot …

Posted by: crone | Sep 11 2022 15:57 utc | 197

No, this invasion is not working out well for the russians. If they are really out of luck it will end like the US Vietnam fiasco. Either they change their goals, strategy or this slow defeat will become more and more obvious before the winter is here.
Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2022 13:39 utc | 139
No, it will not work out like the Vietnam fiasco. Vietnam was (and is) at the other side of the world, as far as the US is concerned. While Ukraine is right at Russia’s doorstep. The US could simply leave. Russia does not have the option. They leave, Ukraine and NATO will follow them home.
Ukraine is now begging for winter equipment. Something tells me that Russia already has their winter equipment ready. We’ll have to wait and see what happens come winter. As far as Ukraine’s European backers are concerned, it’s shaping up to be a cold one. It might also become a really long one.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 11 2022 15:58 utc | 198

@ aristodemos 43
I for one have enjoyed your writing.
The time-out catches us all, it is nothing to do with you or your content*. Just copy what you have written, refresh the page and paste it back into the comment field.
I always copy what I have written before using preview prior to posting, allowing me to bypass time-outs, and check for errors, particularly in URLs.
For example, when posting this I received, “We’re sorry, but your session has expired. We cannot complete your request. Please refresh the page and try again.” and I simply refreshed the page and reposted it with this added comment.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 11 2022 15:59 utc | 199

Another, at least equally important point for Russian restraint is the danger of a catastrophic escalation. Western arms deliveries could have been torpedoed much more massively, but this would have significantly increased the danger that the war would grow beyond the territory of Ukraine. Putin does not want that and the neo-cons are mercilessly exploiting this circumstance.
Nevertheless, the current situation is no reason to panic like Dima and many other young would-be experts, fanboys do. The further development is not yet foreseeable. Russian superiority is still intact – how could it be otherwise? – the West is still facing extremely difficult economic times. Large numbers of Ukrainian soldiers are still being slaughtered every day and even German state television reports that there are more and more Ukrainian men trying to flee, to Romania for example. Putin is playing the long game. He has the better cards up his sleeve.

Posted by: Pnyx | Sep 11 2022 16:06 utc | 200