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September 9, 2022
The Izium ‘Counteroffensive’ Success / Disaster

"It's a disaster," says Dima of the Military Summary channel.

I agree. The question now is: For whom?

Here is the map of the Izium region in the northeast of Ukraine on September 4.


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In the middle we can see the Oskol river flowing north to south. Along it run railway tracks and roads that connect Izium region at the bottom of the map with Urazovo in Russia (further north, not on the map).

Here is the situation in the same area on the morning of September 9.



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The Ukrainian forces have broken through the Russian positions on a wide front and in remarkable depth.

The above maps are from the Ukraine friendly site LiveUAmap. On the Russian side's map, as provided by Dima in his latest video, the Ukrainians are shown even further east and have reached the Oskol river.


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This is latest Rybar version of the map which confirms that the Ukrainian side has at least in part reached the river. They took the town of Senkovo on the western side of it.


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(German version as the English one does not load correctly.)

Izium, Lyman and several other important positions along the Izium front are now in imminent danger of losing their main supply route.

How could this happen?

Well, I am not in the Russian high command and have no idea of the how and why.

But what we know is that there were mostly conscripted men of the Luhansk Peoples Republic at the frontline when this episode started. The troops that held the town of Balakleya for two days where Russian National Guard forces. Those are militarized police units, not real armed forces. The Russian military had to send army forces to evacuate them.

Apparently the whole Russian front in that area was very thin and had too little artillery support. The Ukrainians moved extremely fast skipping towns and just blocking off local resistance to move on. They had a very significant number of tanks and armored transport as well as long range artillery support by several HIMARS systems. Many of the units must also have had night vision equipment as they did not stop even after sunset. There are also reports of strong foreign elements but those are hard to verify.

The LPR forces and whatever else was in the area had no chance. They were killed or captured or moved out.

The Russian side seems to have had little information about the size of the attack. The forces in the area were too few and too light. There should have been way more forces to block the Ukrainian move much earlier.

Then again – I do not know what plans the Russian military has had or might have. We might still see surprises.

Armored Russian reinforcements are now coming in from the north from the northern Kharkov region as well as from the east through Svatove. But they will still need some time to reach the front lines and to set up for battle.

The best countermove is likely to move the battle group seen in Svatove down to Izium and then up northwest and the group from the north southward in an attempt to pincer and envelope the Ukrainian forces.

Going this deep and this fast makes the attacking Ukrainian troops vulnerable. They will need some time to consolidate and to move up their artillery. Their supplies will have to come from Andivka on the left of the map and from Chuhuiv on the upper left. That are some 75 kilometer or 45 miles one way distances.

The Russian missile forces can interdict those routes by destroying the bridges along the way. They should do this as soon as possible. Andivka itself is surrounded by a river in the south, west and north. The handful of bridges over the river should also be dropped to cut the town off.

Ukrainian forces south of Izium and Lyman try to cross the Siversky Donets river to attack those cities from another direction. The idea is likely to bind the Russian forces there and to not let them move north to counter the upper Ukrainian strike.

There may be some ingenious Russian plan behind this to drag the Ukrainian forces in to then destroy them in place. But I do not see any evidence for that.

Heads will have to roll for this disaster.

Comments

Izyum-Balakleya-Kupyansk (situation at 15:00 09.09.22)
It looks like the most critical moment of the fighting in the Kharkov region is already behind us. Today, after 13.00, there were mass reports of the arrival on the front line (both north and south of the breakthrough site) of significant units of the RF Armed Forces, among which, in addition to tank and motorized infantry units, there are also units of the Airborne Forces.
Moreover, the advanced columns of the Airborne Forces immediately entered the battle on the South-Western suburbs to Kupyansk, to which the enemy approached a little earlier, but did not have time to start the assault. Now, along the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was supposed to take Kupyansk (up to 1.5 thousand people), the Russian Aerospace Forces, artillery and a strong combined-arms battle are going on, and apparently this will be the first, albeit local, defeat of the enemy in this operation.
Meanwhile, the advanced reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to probe the positions of the RF Armed Forces in the direction of the Gorokhovatka crossing but were rebuffed and retreated.
In other directions, the enemy could not advance, and from here we can expect encounter battles between the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine today also in the area north of Izyum, and tomorrow completely different battles will begin here.

Posted by: mnra | Sep 9 2022 16:00 utc | 201

Intel Slava Z has several videos of the “O” group mobilizing reinforcements in the Izyum direction. Hundreds of vehicles in convoy plus Wagner Group PMC in the area now.
Helo and air support doing their work plus MLRS shelling of Kharkiv nazi supply lines.

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Sep 9 2022 16:01 utc | 202

@ Micron | 9 de setembro de 2022 10:55 utc | 37
Thank you very much for the excellent and accurate description of the events, we shared the opinions about Martyanov and Igor Strelkov, the concern and the desire to be wrong.

Posted by: Grey Sparrow | Sep 9 2022 16:02 utc | 203

I don’t understand the panic, Ukraine captured a few villages, a few conscripts from Lugansk died. This circumstance so far does not change anything in the overall picture. Mister Elensky has got him more money to prolong a lost war and to fill his pockets with cash.

Posted by: M.Herm | Sep 9 2022 16:02 utc | 204

This looks a bit like “Stalingrad” to me. … But who am I.
And when I look at some of the comments … well, it’s always the same misery, the Russians are just a little bit stupid …

Posted by: Humml | Sep 9 2022 16:03 utc | 205

@ Yenwoda – 198
High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk is an Austrian. Austria is an unfriendly country.

Posted by: mnra | Sep 9 2022 16:05 utc | 206

This has become the opera bouffe war. Someone wake me up at intermission. I need to visit the bar.
oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 14:38 utc | 150
I’m waiting for the US 7th cavalry to come riding to the rescue. Trumpets a blowin’ and blonde hair (Custers or was that “Buffalo Bill’s?) flowin’ in the wind. Clippety-clop.
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There is a heavy RF build-up being flown into Izium. 26 tons at a time. The Russians are good at moving troops and arms by air. I’m sure there is another airfield in the North-East of the present fighting, which is also being used to fly in reinforcements.
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Ukrainian Su-27 fighters have been re-equipped for launching AGM-84 and AGM-88 cruise missiles by NATO. Technique developed in Israel.
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Ukrainian tanks tried to break into Kupyansk. Ongoing.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 9 2022 16:10 utc | 207

Yenwoda @198
Those evil Russians, how can they not give coordinates of POW sites to the West after Ukraine and their American masters Himars’d one of those sites?

Posted by: aquileia | Sep 9 2022 16:14 utc | 208

I see a completely untenable salient, which will be shortly cut off and annihilated by artillery from three sides. No matter what happens the fact remains that the Russians have overwhelming dominance in the air and artillery .. Has something changed that alters this fundamental fact?
What I think happened is that Russia was overly focused on the Kherson situation and was taken by surprise. But now that they are responding, I pity the AFU troops

Posted by: Callmelennie | Sep 9 2022 16:14 utc | 209

thanks b…. i appreciate and admire your integrity..
it is impossible to keep up with the comments now….
@ Micron | Sep 9 2022 10:55 utc | 37
i liked your comment and it resonates with me…
@ petri.. thanks for that comment earlier in the thread…

Posted by: james | Sep 9 2022 16:17 utc | 210

Doug Macgregor et al have been promising a Russian victory for so long they have lost credibility. I don’t want the Globalists to win. I support Russia. It’s so depressing

Posted by: Tom | Sep 9 2022 16:17 utc | 211

Posted by: Tom | Sep 9 2022 16:17 utc | 210
Yo’re so concerned and depressed that Yogi Berra comes to the rescue:
1. When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
2. You can observe a lot by just watching.
3. It ain’t over till it’s over.
4. It’s like déjà vu all over again.
5. No one goes there nowadays, it’s too crowded.
6. War (Baseball) is 90% mental and the other half is physical.
7. A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.
8. Always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise they won’t come to yours.
9. We made too many wrong mistakes.
10. Congratulations. I knew the record would stand until it was broken.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 16:24 utc | 212

I will repeat it : success or failure doesn’t matter. What matters is that your organisation retains the ability to learn and to adapt. The collective West+Ukraine has managed that. They have learnt. Russia will have also to do it. Or to cut back on its ambitions and become definitively a regional power.
Posted by: Micron | Sep 9 2022 10:55 utc | 37
what have the collective west “learned” exactly? this seems to be the first success of the war for Ukraine and the West, let’s wait a week and see how it looks then. The US didn’t learn from losing in Vietnam or Afghanistan, or wasting trillions and hundreds of thousands of lives on the basis of pathetic lives, I haven’t seen much capacity to change from the hyperpower driving the west so far. and why do you characterize self defense by Russia as an ambition to increase its power and influence over Europe? seems like another NATO trope.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 9 2022 16:28 utc | 213

@211 Poor Tom. Perhaps it’s time for a group hug.

Posted by: dh | Sep 9 2022 16:31 utc | 214

Posted by: mario1 | Sep 9 2022 11:29 utc | 52
I think Russia should start using nuclear weapons.
tactical or strategic?

Posted by: Boom | Sep 9 2022 16:33 utc | 215

The buildup of troops and equipment for this offensive has been ongoing for some weeks and has not been particularly stealthy. Either the Russian command are idiots or they have a plan. If they have a plan it is likely an effort to concentrate UAF forces in an area they know well (having occupied it for some time now) and where they may use geography to their advantage. If they had concentrated defensive forces there in advance then perhaps the UAF would have been reticent to continue their buildup. “Oh, the Russians are busy elsewhere, so now is our chance.” The target had to be strategically important enough to draw a large number of forces for the attack. Theoretically this gives the opportunity to destroy a significant portion of the UAF forces without an offensive push. Or perhaps the Russians are blind and idiots. We will see.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 9 2022 16:34 utc | 216

@julian 174
How is the West “decadent” exactly? “Decadent” sounds like something 80’s era Soviet and CCP propaganda.
Floundering not Drowning – Russia’s economy appears barely holding together instead of ascending.
Syria: Russian troops never directly engaged US troops. They found rebelling factions against Assad instead. Whatever US troops were in Syrian soil to go after Islamic State pulled out voluntarily.
Ukraine: Russia controls less than a third of Ukrainian territory, in regions with Russian speaking majorities. How is that “taking control” of the whole country? And if the Ukrainian army was destroyed, who did this Russian setback then?
Are you still asking who’s underestimating who because you don’t want the answer to be you?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2022 16:41 utc | 217

As someone with zero military training or experience I’ve been waiting for this for weeks so how could the Russians not have seen this coming? This is either total incompetence or the Russians have a plan in place to annihilate these Ukrainian forces.

Posted by: Ffreeloader | Sep 9 2022 16:42 utc | 218

Mark my words: the big “phase shift” in the SMO from the vaunted Kharkiv counteroffensive by will be seen as the moment when NATO troops and assets became *directly involved* in the SMO. There are more and more clues of this: more foreign language use, NATO/US troops actually operating the HIMARS, US/UK/NATO special ops operating ahead of the main forces, and of course the pervasive C3IR whatever intel support.
Back in March I wondered when Russia would “get down to business”. Still waiting. 404 is a misnomer for Ukraine, it should actually refer to the main bulk of the Russian Army.
Clearly, Russia has not been able to progress more quickly becuase Putin or his handlers were not willing to invest more in the outcome. Khinzals, Kalibers, Onyx what have you are not enough, and despite the handwaving it is clear to me that Russia doesn’t have quite enough of them to use them in the numbers needed to make up for the lack of troops on the ground.
Not taking the SMO seriously enough means Russia is in danger of losing this. Consider this: OK, this Ukie/NATO counteroffensive is stopped, w/ great losses of Ukies. What then? The ranks of the Ukie army are now mysteriously speaking Polish. Back to the slow grind?
I come away with what is happening so far with greater respect for Dima who called out the possibility of the Kharkov counterattack several days ago, and Strelkov, who I normally ignored. Martynov and typical “Russia Stronk” cheerleaders aren’t helping at all. Insulting the NATO and US Military feels good but is leads to overconfidence.
Hopefully, the *really* stupid Russian general staff and intelligence officers will get demoted or killed off soon and more sober and competent officers replace them.

Posted by: Siimplicius | Sep 9 2022 16:42 utc | 219

maybe its part of the SMO to send reinforcement only when the enemy has broken through minimum 50km ?
Because for the SMO planers doesnt makes sense to reinforce the troops before and avoid such breakthroughs.
This SMO will will go down in history by far the dumbest operation humanity I’ve ever witnessed.

Posted by: Falco | Sep 9 2022 16:44 utc | 220

.. and who babbles here about nuclear weapons, has not all cups in the cupboard …

Posted by: Humml | Sep 9 2022 16:48 utc | 221

Callmelennie @208: “What I think happened is that Russia was overly focused on the Kherson situation and was taken by surprise.”
I don’t think that is it.
We kept hearing about this “Third Corps” somewhere offstage, but the Russians did not commit it for the Kherson operation. This suggests that the Russians knew there was going to be a big offensive but did not believe that Kherson was the big one. At the same time they probably assumed the Nazis would attack in the north, but until that attack was launched they couldn’t know the precise locations where this “Third Corps” could achieve maximum effect. The Russians probably suspected the big offensive would be a mad bum rush which means that the point of attack wouldn’t necessarily make any logical sense, so it cannot be predicted. If this “Third Corps” had been pre-positioned and the effort to second guess lunatics came out wrong then they would lose time and opportunities maneuvering to the proper location.
It sounds as if this “Third Corps” is being deployed as we speak. If the Nazis can be cut off from retreat back to Kharkov then it is possible the city can be saved from destruction. After all, the news is that the Nazis have emptied out of Kharkov. How else could that have been achieved?
Of course, this is just guesswork. We’ll have a much better idea of what the Russians are up to by the end of the weekend.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 16:55 utc | 222

About the civilians, they all have been warned, told of the consequences of staying and afforded evacuation. The front line is no place for any civilian and there are those in the military units that will take up issue on those that stayed.. Informed consent. If a civilian is forced to stay, well that is a form of conscription. If you give up your house and land to the military, then you are due compensation that is of equal value, but if everything is mortgaged up, then the lender has the same as you.. YOU may have nothing and lost nothing in the terms of value. These are the laws of war.
Now, plug that into the equation.
RUSSIA is determining the battlefield, expect a much greater withdrawal before the real battle starts.

Posted by: T S | Sep 9 2022 17:00 utc | 223

Posted by: Falco | Sep 9 2022 16:44 utc | 219

This SMO will will go down in history by far the dumbest operation humanity I’ve ever witnessed.

You must be gen z.
The dumbest I’ve ever witnessed was israel’s ill fated little escapade with Hezbollah in 2006.
Nato’s 20-year cocaine rave in Afghanistan comes a close second.
You need to get out more, sonny.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 17:01 utc | 224

@tobi999 #134
Allowing the Ukrainians to advance all the way to the Oskol river actually seems to be the best way to form a cauldron in the area, since trapping them by the river would minimize their ability to retreat/break out. This strategy will be apparent once the Russians destroy the bridges across the Severskiy Donets river.

Posted by: Cynica | Sep 9 2022 17:02 utc | 225

Lot of fuss about all this. Why? Looks like the Kherson scam to me. Throw away a whole lot of lives to give the illusion of something purposeful in order to keep the money flowing. We’ll be calling it the Ramstein offensive.
Can’t wait for the midterms. Just hope that after Biden’s got past those this macabre theatre of death in the Ukraine will be allowed to stop. I don’t think the post-war partisan offensive scenario NATO’s after will play, but that’s just a hope too, I suppose.
Rubbish comment section this time round. Disappointed. I usually come away from “b”‘s comment section with a lot of links to stuff I didn’t know of or hadn’t seen. Drawn a blank this time, mostly. But haven’t looked at the 3rd page yet so there’s always a chance.
At least they haven’t got going on the Great Covid Conspiracy this time round. Nor yet the Great Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy. So there’s that to be thankful for.
Anyone with a thinking cap on out there, there are some unanswered questions hovering over the whole thing. How is remnant Ukraine to be reconstructed, given that the Russians won’t be welcome there, the Euros haven’t got the money to put to reconstruction, and Washington will move on to other business?
And the December 2021 Russian security demands. Not yet met. Are they going to be, and if not, what then?

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 9 2022 17:02 utc | 226

I just read that the Ukrainian army made a decisive break-through, pushing as far east as Kupyansk. That’s in addition to overrunning the terrain north of Izyum. If this’s true, the entire Russian front has collapsed, and the large Russian grouping at Izyum is on the verge of being encircled.
What’s going on? Is this true?
If it’s true, how could the Russians possibly have allowed this to happen? Someone please fill me in.

Posted by: GW | Sep 9 2022 17:05 utc | 227

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 9 2022 17:02 utc | 226

Great Covid Conspiracy this time round. Nor yet the Great Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy. So there’s that to be thankful for.

The Balfour Declaration was no conspiracy …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 17:06 utc | 228

I expect that the Russians will stop the advance and roll it back.
The tragic part is the militia men who died or worse, were captured by the nazis. And any civilians left to the mercy of those savage men high on captagon.
It is horrible to think of their fates.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 9 2022 17:08 utc | 229

Gen. Harald Kujat (ret.) Writes of Ukraine ‘Warfare without a Goal’

That headline of his Aug. 21 Preußische Allgemeine Zeitung (in German) article, given General Kujat’s position in Germany (former Bundeswehr Chief of Staff, 2000-2002 and chairman of NATO’s Military Committee, 2002-2005) even though retired, speaks for intense debate out of public view which puts into question whether Berlin is promoting German security interests and defending the economic well-being of the citizens and industry: “To what extent is the Federal government prepared to accept long-term and possibly irreversible damage to the German economy caused by sanctions? Or does the Federal government’s primary duty of averting damage to Germany limit solidarity with Ukraine?” This challenge was proceeded with the assertion that “the government accepts that the material for the already extremely limited capabilities of the Bundeswehr to fulfill the constitutional mandate of national and alliance defense will continue to be ‘plundered.’ ”

Continue reading in Executive Intelligence Review Sept. 5, 2022 (EIRNS)

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 9 2022 17:11 utc | 230

GW | Sep 9 2022 17:05 utc | 227
« « What’s going on? Is this true?
If it’s true, how could the Russians possibly have allowed this to happen? Someone please fill me in. » »
Yes it’s very true : The Russians have lost the War : they have now surrendered : No one saw this coming, it’s very tragic : President Putin has resigned and has been taken into custody : President Biden has arrived in Moscow, and will be sworn in tonight : it is indeed very tragic : we have all some part and some responsibilty in this tragedy but we are all glad it’s over

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 9 2022 17:18 utc | 231

Entire counter-offensive is just one major PR stunt. Do not forget defense ministers are in Ramstein, and Mr. Z must show he has not failed yet – hence the attack.
All there is PR stunt before the winter lull.
As the winter will be approaching, the RF will increase pain dial bit by bit.
Do not forget RF is still paying Gas transit fees to Mr. Z.

Posted by: 101st Chairborne Division, Jeff Williams | Sep 9 2022 17:19 utc | 232

People clamoring for the use of “tactical nukes” in Ukraine must have their heads examined immediately. War is not a game of C&C:Red Alert.
There is life happening after the victory screen and you need to win the peace as much as you need to win the war.

Posted by: Lemming | Sep 9 2022 17:21 utc | 233

I don’t know who “Dima” is and why folks on this board are so concerned about what he thinks. Is he an ex-Russian Minister of Defense?
Here is a brief recap of the interview with the Head of the Chechen SpetsNaz (special forces) Apti Allaudinov, in summary:
– the Russians knew of the offensive preparations: “It’s impossible to hide preparing an offensive with more than 30,000 troops, you know”
– the decision was made by the Russians to pull back the forces from the most likely attack vector in order to ensure the Ukraine army does not change its mind to attack
– the plan all along was to have the Ukis leave their numerous fortified positions around Kharkov. And Balakleya was abandoned deliberately to try to stretch the 30,000-people strong Uki force as far as possible — that way it is much easier to clobber it out of existence with the lowest possible losses of own people
– the Ukis have just realized what’s happening and stopped moving forward, but, as Apti said, they have been stretched enough for the Russian army to effectively demilitarize these 30,000 poor souls
– Yesterday Apti estimated they managed to eliminate about 5,000 and today another 2,500. So, 25% in two days. At this rate the entire 30,000 will be KIA by September 15 or abouts.
The main objective that Putin has clearly stated is to completely, 100% demilitarize and denazify the Ukraine while minimizing own losses. What better way to do that other than trade some empty land for 30,000 neo-Nazis in the North and 10,000 in the South (near Kherson) in just 10 days?!

Posted by: RockTime | Sep 9 2022 17:24 utc | 234

I think the Americans must be involved with this more than the usual intelligence and targeting help.
Americans who live near military bases are reporting unusual activity.
Ukraine is now moving on from kidnapping and sending to the front 18-60 year old men, to getting ready to target and conscript women. So where are they getting all these troops for this move?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 9 2022 17:26 utc | 235

It is remarkable and rather odd that the RF is now flying Mi-26 helicopters while up until now they have avoided ground support fixed wing aircraft supposedly because of manpad risk.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2022 17:26 utc | 236

I can’t help noticing that the Ukrainian success is setting off knee-jerk reactions all over the place. I suggest that we wait and see.

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 9 2022 17:28 utc | 237

Hmmm… I think you jumped the gun b. What possessed you to write the above?
One battle does not a war make.

Posted by: Barofsky | Sep 9 2022 17:33 utc | 238

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 9 2022 17:28 utc | 237
indeed, I would wait to term it a success.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 9 2022 17:34 utc | 239

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 9 2022 17:26 utc | 235
Funny you mention this. An acquaintance just shipped out for 3 months as a contractor. Previously Army Infantry (reserve).

Posted by: Wook | Sep 9 2022 17:34 utc | 240

Russia is playing a dangerous game – by advancing so gradually, they are drawing HATO into the conflict in a manner that HATO is unable to resist (bureaucratic incrementalism).

Posted by: jared | Sep 9 2022 17:35 utc | 241

M.Herm (204).
Yes, good point the Ukrainian forces found a weak point and exploited it, and gained some miles deeper into Eastern territory, however holding it is a very different matter. The RF needs to close the back door and subdue the Ukrainian forces within the circle quickly, or at the very least keep them isolated, anything else could give the Ukrainian forces, whoever is within their ranks (foreign nationals or Nato troops disguised) a bit more confidence in pushing forward.
I think the calibre of defender in the assault is the real reason for the push forward, this must be addressed immediately, surrounding areas must also be checked out to see if they too are weak spots, in what appears to be quite a long front line.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 9 2022 17:37 utc | 242

good comment from Naked Capitalism thread
OIFVet
September 9, 2022 at 9:34 am
Too little info available to properly judge anything. We know the Russians do have reinforcements as well as air superiority. Given the breakthrough, the logical and historically proven thing for Ukraine to do is to flood in units and to split the thrust north and south along the riverbank, widening its gains while cutting off Russian units. Do they have the manpower and the materiel? We shall see but I doubt it. If they manage to consolidate their gains and to form defensive positions before the Russian reinforces arrive and deploy, it will be a huge (if temporary) victory for Ukraine. If they can’t, it will become a huge Ukrainian graveyard. It will take a couple of weeks to sort out which way it goes.
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Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 9 2022 17:37 utc | 243

“Ukraine” and “success” are words that have not fit together since 1991.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 17:38 utc | 244

as expected, once the Ukronazi tuna have entered the trap the rais gives the order to close the net and take out the tuna,

Posted by: A.cagliostro | Sep 9 2022 17:38 utc | 245

Li Zhanshu, chairman of China’s National People’s Congress (NPC) Standing Committee speaks:

MOSCOW, September 9. /TASS/. China fully comprehends all of the measures taken by Russia to protect its interests in Ukraine and provides support, said Li Zhanshu, chairman of China’s National People’s Congress (NPC) Standing Committee, at a Friday meeting with the heads of factions of Russia’s State Duma (the lower house of parliament).
“As for the issues of Russia’s vital interest, we also always provide our support and our understanding. For example, on Ukraine,” Li Zhanshu mentioned.
“We see how the United States and its NATO allies build up their presence along Russia’s perimeter and seriously jeopardize [Russian] national security and the security of Russians’ lives. We are completely sympathetic towards all the measures taken by Russia to defend those key interests and we provide our assistance,” the Chinese parliament speaker said.
Li Zhanshu stated that Russia was pushed into an irresolvable dilemma over Ukraine.

https://tass.com/world/1505495

Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2022 17:39 utc | 246

@ Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 9 2022 17:26 utc | 235
Wake me when they send the army of cross-dressers, please.

Posted by: jared | Sep 9 2022 17:43 utc | 247

I said it before and I will say it again. Russia entered this war with too few troops. 190,000 are not enough to hold this massive front. Russia needs massive mobilization NOW. If they have 850,000 troops under arms, then why did they only use 190,000. The attacker usually outnumbers the defender by 3:1. This was not the case when the invasion started. I am baffled as to the reasons for this.
I speculate that its either a) Russia doesn’t have as many troops as we were lead to believe, b) there is conflict in the Russian leadership between those who think the war can be won with minimal amount of troops and those who want mass mobilization for an all out war, or c) it is just total incompetence within the Russian army leadership.
If Russia continues fighting this war with one arm tied behind its back, then it will lose. The longer this war drags on, the weaker Russia gets and the stronger the Ukraine gets.

Posted by: Naji Dahi | Sep 9 2022 17:43 utc | 248

@Naji Dahi | Sep 9 2022 17:43 utc | 248

Russia has no internal legal authority to send conscripts to fight in a foreign country without a declaration of war. Hence the SMO is prosecuted by contract military and partisans.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2022 17:47 utc | 249

So much glorious copium. Even if the Ukrainian offensive fails this was not some brilliant trap set up by Putin.
“How could this happen?” You ask. Incompetence, negligence, hubris.
How stupid do you have to be to invade a country that is FULLY MOBILIZING its population and not take that manpower gap seriously?
Each person on the battlefield represents an intelligent, mobile weapon of war. If your army is outnumbered by 100000 men, then the enemy has 100000 intelligent autonomous war systems advantage over you.
So basically I agree with people here saying Russia did not commit enough.

Posted by: Random Mikuchan | Sep 9 2022 17:53 utc | 250

Is this serious?
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63104
The text of the video says (google translator):
“Footage of the flight of the assault group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after an unsuccessful attempt to attack the positions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
In the Izyum direction, a detachment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the support of foreign mercenaries, tried to attack the positions of Russian troops. The enemy was met with dense fire and fled to their original positions.”
Really? Well, if you know someone who is getting married these days, suggest that they hire the Russian Armed Forces personnel to immortalize the event. They are quite competent, filming even in low light.

Posted by: Grey Sparrow | Sep 9 2022 17:55 utc | 251

Food for thought: “The ongoing war in Ukraine is a handiwork of Usurers and War profiteers. By now, it should be clear to anyone who bothers to look, that the person who claims to be US President, 78-year old Joe Biden, is not making any decisions. He even has difficulty reading a teleprompter or answering prepared questions from friendly media without confusing Syria and Libya or even whether he is President. He is being micromanaged by a group of handlers to maintain a scripted “image” of a President while the policy is made behind the scenes by others. … The fact that three of the most influential economic appointees of the Biden Administration come from BlackRock, and before that all from the Obama Administration, is noteworthy. There is a definite pattern that suggests that the role of BlackRock in Washington is far larger than we are being told.
Since 1988 the company has put itself in a position to de facto control the Federal Reserve, most Wall Street mega-banks, including Goldman Sachs, the Davos World Economic Forum Great Reset, the Biden Administration and, if left unchecked, the economic future of our world. BlackRock is the epitome of what Mussolini called Corporatism, where an unelected corporate elite dictates top down to the population. BlackRock is not subject to regulatory scrutiny.”
Should not the US political/economic system be called Fascism?

Posted by: Cerena | Sep 9 2022 17:56 utc | 252

Well, well, well!
Looks like Putin’s gamble failed.
You might disagree w/ me, but pls hear me out: after loosing UKR in 2013/14 to the West there was no chance in hell for the RF, BR and those Than-countries to become a strong enough group of countries to withstand EU+USA or China. I view the conflict in UKR primarily from an economic pov! That also explains why the RF does not level cities using their superheavy weapons (the most powerful non-nukes). I guess the above mentioned gamble by Putin to conquer w/o destroying much failed.
Time to go all in or to get out it seems.
I am fully aware that EUR has major problems right now bc of energy costs….but in the long run they are more likely to recover that RF being stronger (economically). Did I get it completely wrong?

Posted by: Bernd | Sep 9 2022 17:58 utc | 253

wagelaborer @ 235
At least some of the 30,000 are fiction. Multiple reports that International Legion is heavily represented. If you spend the time to watch videos you will see there are significant numbers of Uke troops past 50 years and a few who are at least by appearance well past 60.
The women will never be conscripted. Saw one video of women being boot camped and they were all actresses/models. It is purest fiction.
too scents @ 236
Mi-26 is a very large and rather slow target. Taking one down could mean 200 troops dead and gone. Very high value target. Would not normally be used for transport anywhere near a combat zone. Unless you are very certain that there will be no untoward incident. Certain, not guessing probabilities. Now how would anyone know that? There is fiction all over. On this one I have no idea who is committing fiction or what motive. If it stinks, it stinks.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 18:00 utc | 254

It’s my first comment on this well made blog. I usually agree with you but not this time:
It seems that Ukraine moved very quickly to the Russian side avoiding towns and villages like Russian at the start of the SMO. Only Ukraine does not have the depth of weapons and troops that the Russians have, that’s mean that the regain territory is not consilidated… If there are only 9,000 soldiers on this large surface, one might think that it is a massive “killing zone” set as a trap. If the Russians destroy all the bridges (not a big deal and only one railway bridge and nothing comparable to the Kherson huge bridge), all the AFU forces will be trapped. I can’t imagine the Russians missing the move of these forces deep into Russian controlled territory… It feels like the Battle of the Bulge in 1944 in the Ardennes like the last dice roll of the little brown mustached man. But I think the Russians were aware of the Ukrainian decision. Wait and see. in 1944 the Germans ended up losing for lack of fuel and logistics… No need to analyze the situation after 3 days let’s wait at least another week before concluding if it is a successful unkrainian counter-attack or a gigantic trap organized by the Russians. Both possibilities at this level of movement are possible. But I bet a few coins on the Russian side… It is a question of retreating to better jump before weakening the rest of the good remaining Ukrainian troops and destroying a little more the little remaining heavy equipment..

Posted by: DDO666 | Sep 9 2022 18:04 utc | 255

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 9 2022 17:11 utc | 230
Kujat! One of the greatest. Grinds on like a bulldozer, just telling the truth as he see it. If you cross to the other side and listen to Martyanov, you’ll find both he and Kujat are coming up with the same truth, too.
Also worth looking at what an English truth-teller has to say. General Lord Richards. He’s very quiet, low key. But if you examine what he says, he delivers the most devastating critique of this quite unnecessary war I’ve come across.
And all seem to have forgotten General Twitty. He knows what’s up, too.
I’m afraid I was a little uncivil, up above. But I get so fed up with people not seeing what’s been in front of their faces for six months. This war was lost on February 21st, just as soon as the guns kept firing across the LoC. Since then it’s just been a question of counting the corpses and hoping the heap doesn’t get horrendously high. Some hope.
………………………………..
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 17:06 utc | 228
The Balfour declaration was a century ago. Very many strands went into that decision, one of which, surprisingly, was the anti-semitism then building up in England.
I had a go at disentangling those strands long ago, on Colonel Lang’s site. But for a really sharp insight into the mandate period, setting that period in the context of the intense Anglo-French rivalry in that area, worth getting James Barr’s ” A Line In The Sand”. I don’t think it’s possible to get a handle on the current situation without that background.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 9 2022 18:04 utc | 256

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 18:00 utc | 254
Here you have a clip of the Mi-26 working with smaller helicopters cover, by Poddubny who has been covering the Kupyansk front. Of course it could be somewehere else but doubtful since the guy has been posting from the front as you can see in other clips in his TG channel
https://t.me/epoddubny/12216

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 18:07 utc | 257

Extra-strong copium
Everyone knew the “Ramstein offensive” in Kharkov was coming. The Ukrainian battle plan is now self-evident, reach Lake Oskil from the west and cut the supply lines to Izyum from the north. Russians reacted as if they were totally unprepared. Why?
Most people are blaming Russian incompetence. The first reinforcements arrived more than 24 hours after the Ukrainian assault had begone. The Russian Airborne Forces in Balakliya only managed to evacuate the Rosguard forces stationed there.
There is another explanation to Russian inaction. Maybe Russia knew exactly what the NATO plan was and let it happen on purpose. Maybe they had a mole in Ukrainian high command. Maybe they vacated their position along the planned path of the Ukrainian advance and reinforced their positions elsewhere. Maybe.
Optimist see the Oskil salient as a trap for Ukrainians. Pessimist see Izyum being surrounded an about to fall. Izyum now relies on two bridges to the east. If Russia can keep these roads operational, then Izyum could form the southern flank of a pincer operation. If not, then Izyum and any attack on Slavyansk is domed.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 9 2022 18:10 utc | 258

I posted this on the tail end of thel;ast thread. It still seems relevant.
[b]IF[/b] the Russian plan was to draw the UA out from their protected defensive lines into the open in large enough numbers to impact on the key objective of Kharkov city, especially perhaps the die hard units, it needed to be a very realistic, large scale and achievable. It had to be confirmed from NATO satellite and RC-135 etc watching and listening perspectives to such an extent that the UA unit commanders and SF were desperate to get at it and to be part of it. So, on the one hand it had to be militarily viable and on the other, if it could be timed to coincide with the 8th September Ramstein donors’ meeting it would irresistible to the top US/UK/Ukr politicians’ PR objectives. A slam dunk in other words.
This would be all about the lessor of two evils. We know that the Russian military strategy is very mathematical. This could have been where the algorithms at the Moscow MoD showed the best return of dead UA versus dead Russian UA citizens/military over the next few weeks.
They certainly took the bait, if it was such and the Russians are moving in reaction today. Given that overwhelming capability, regardless of whether it was a dastardly Russian plot or not, it could never have been more than a short term operation. Another throwing of men and machines into the mincer. So sad.

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 9 2022 18:12 utc | 259

It’s important to keep in mind that Putin is a master of judo.
The following is highly speculative, but maybe the slow-grind approach was meant to goad the Ukrainians into losing patience and mounting one or more “grand” counteroffensives which would then be encircled and destroyed. Such an approach would be in keeping with the demilitarization goal of the SMO. Also, denazification cannot be completed until demilitarization has been completed.
It’s not possible that Russian intelligence did not anticipate a counteroffensive toward Balakleya – there was plenty of open-source information about powerful forces being massed nearby, as Military Summary pointed out.

Posted by: Cynica | Sep 9 2022 18:17 utc | 260

Straight from party pooper’s mouth, Strelkov as quoted by Vladlen:
Directly from under Izyum and ASKED to be SPECIALLY VOICED (know military):
THERE IS NO PANIC. The supply of the group continues on a regular basis. Yes, the enemy is trying to keep communications under artillery fire, but they are not able to cut them and there is no immediate danger to supplies. The reserves are coming, the troops are firmly holding their positions in the area of the city. They express their firm determination to hold Izyum and maintain a bridgehead on the west bank of the Seversky Donets

https://t.me/vladlentatarsky/15989

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 18:19 utc | 261

As someone with zero military training or experience I’ve been waiting for this for weeks so how could the Russians not have seen this coming? This is either total incompetence or the Russians have a plan in place to annihilate these Ukrainian forces. – Posted by: Ffreeloader | Sep 9 2022 16:42 utc | 218

You don’t need military experience to see that at this time no one posting here knows whether or not the Russians saw this coming or know what Russia or NATO is planning next.
There’s more than the usual number of war porn fans here today a hootin’ and a hollerin’, but military outcomes aren’t necessarily binary at either the tactical or operational level.
Just as every success isn’t always the result of brilliant strategy, every defeat isn’t always due to total incompetence. I believe it’s too early to judge who made what mistakes or how severe those mistakes were.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 9 2022 18:20 utc | 262

War is a democracy. Both sides get a say.

Posted by: Bones | Sep 9 2022 18:21 utc | 263

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 9 2022 18:12 utc | 259
If true masterpiece if not masterdumb

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 9 2022 18:21 utc | 264

War is a democracy. Both sides get a say.

Posted by: Berndt Braincell | Sep 9 2022 18:22 utc | 265

Posted by: veto | Sep 9 2022 14:11 utc | 135
“Those in good faith should maybe wait and see what is actually happening on the ground, not just what is rumoured to happen”
Classic comment that sums up the twin delusions of the Russia is invincible crowd: i) that this is about “faith” and just believing (lol) and ii) that a bunch of aging keyboard warriors, who’ve already decided that RF is run by the most genius 5D chess master mofos to ever walk the earth, have the capability to “see what is actually happening on the ground”😂

Posted by: Nostradamus | Sep 9 2022 18:24 utc | 266

Posted by: GW | Sep 9 2022 17:05 utc | 227
Someone please fill me in.
1. RF forces halt the UAF advance
2. RAF destroys 5 bridges over Severskiy Donets
– pins the UAF in place
– denies them re-supply
3. RF liquidates the kessel
4. RF launches attack using 3rd corp in the area Novoandriivka / Orihiv. Axis of attack is toward Izyum.
END OF FIRST WEEK
5. Having liquidated / captured the UAF forces in the kessel, the RF Northern force attacks South toward Novoandriivka / Orihiv.
END OF SECOND WEEK
6. The double envelopment concludes with the two pincers meeting in the vicinity of Prosyana / Slov’yanka. All UAF forces on the Donetsk front are now cut off from re-supply.
END OF THIRD WEEK
7. Those forces in the Donetsk pocket which refuse to surrender are reduced by RAF
8. RF column moves on Nikopol from Kherson. Second column moves from Kherson toward Odessa.
9. Z disappears from view. UAF General Valerii Zaluzhnyi seeks an armistice.
END OF FOURTH WEEK
10. RF occupies Odessa and Nikopol
11. Peace negotiations drag on.
12. Winter arrives. Euro area economy collapses. Biden declares victory.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 9 2022 18:26 utc | 267

Also highly speculative, but maybe one of the reasons the Russians have not yet destroyed the bridges over the Severskiy Donets river west of Balakleya is that they plan on using those bridges themselves to bring troops up behind the Ukrainians, who will then be trapped against the Oskol river. That said, this commenter has no real idea of the feasibility of such a move.

Posted by: Cynica | Sep 9 2022 18:26 utc | 268

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 17:01 utc | 224
Hmmm …..It is a way of looking at ….. OK accepted )

Posted by: Falco | Sep 9 2022 18:28 utc | 269

Oh ye of little faith, this is a war (or Special Military Operation as Russia would say), there are going to be a loss here and there. Russia still has vast tactical and strategic advantages over Ukraine and NATO, the course of the war is fundamentally unchanged, Russia will continue to grind down the Ukrainian forces. The grand achievement of Ukraine’s attack is to prolong the war a month or two and a higher cost in damages to Ukraine.

Posted by: Kadath | Sep 9 2022 18:30 utc | 270

The surprising aspect is that Doma has been reporting a build-up of Ukrainian tank battalions at precisely the location of the counteroffensive for more than a week, including regiment numbers and a warning of an imminent attack.
Anybody could watch it on YouTube! For more than a week!

Posted by: Marvin | Sep 9 2022 18:31 utc | 271

War is a democracy. Both sides have a say.

Posted by: Berndt Braincell | Sep 9 2022 18:31 utc | 272

Well, another word for “belief” in a military context would be “morale”…
I reserve judgement for now, I will only note that I predicted this Ukrainian strategy months ago here and was laughed at for being a “concern troll”.
B would include the commentary significantly if anyone using the term in a non-ironic manner were banned.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 9 2022 18:31 utc | 273

I’ve never seen so many military ‘experts’ congregate at the same location and all parrotting the same thing, and rather too gleefully to my mind, that Russia is getting its comeuppance. On what they base their ‘analysis’ remains unknown to us mere mortals.

Posted by: Barofsky | Sep 9 2022 18:32 utc | 274

Who is winning?
Ukraine troop concentrations
https://t.me/warwebm/5499
Mass ambulance convoy – presumably of military casualties – in Kiev!
https://t.me/intelslava/36665
My guess – Ukraine is winning (for a western money-grifting meaning of winning)

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Sep 9 2022 18:34 utc | 275

Animation of the ukrainian offensive past 4 days
“An animated map of the theatre of military operations in Kharkiv region of Ukraine, showing tactical manoeuvres of the conflicting forces over a four-day period”
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/9482

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 9 2022 18:36 utc | 276

Paco @ 257
Supposing that is real, happening when and where it is said to happen, then the situation is totally under control. Could be it is totally under control. Entirely possible. So are other explanations. Personal opinion is that it is real. Looks to me like RF is getting on with mopping up and all the Uke exploits are PR rubbish. That helicopter would not be present in a dicey situation.
But we simply do not know. Not at a level of detail that amounts to wish fulfillment.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 18:37 utc | 277

@274;
It is at least in part due to the blasé, condescending attitude of the various “Andreys” and other grifter pro Russian pundits.
How these totally worthless “aging keyboard warriors” accrued such a level of credibility is totally beyond me. They are expats with no relevant expertise or contacts.
Real expert voices are lacking in the West to such an extent that people searching for insight are forced to sift through a haystack of cranks.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 9 2022 18:38 utc | 278

GerrardWhite@231…..are sure it’s not King Charles The Turd being crowned in Moscow.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 9 2022 18:38 utc | 279

Heads will have to roll for this disaster and this whole concept of “SMO” a poor way to fight a war a too soft approach.
Let see how Russians respond they have been noticeably quiet as far as the MOD is concerned indicating they were caught with their pants down.

Posted by: Ken B | Sep 9 2022 18:42 utc | 280

Belarus hasn’t been involved directly in Ukraine either. At least not ground troops. It seems that Russia expects a much larger war. I expect a much larger war. Why? This fight is for survival. Multi polarity over uni polarity. This war will change the world. Just my humble opinion.
Posted by: Leroy | Sep 9 2022 14:52 utc | 160
.
Well, almost no one here ever mentions this possibility of a BIG war!
Doesn’t anyone think of that?
That Putin himself with all the maneuvers, increasing the number of conscripts, moving troops and weapons and equipment (aircraft anti-aircraft defense) to Belarus!
Prepared for a conflict with NATO no matter whether the Poles are Romanians or Balts !!
Or is someone of the opinion that if the troops of the Ukraine are possibly wiped out after the offensive… the USA = NATO suddenly stop?
It’s about the existence, the survival of the West, it’s no longer about weakening Russia…. the West is driven by sheer fear, existential fear!
In the eyes of the West (USA), this downfall can only be averted by escalation to the point of nuclear war!
Nuclear weapons use in Ukraine in Europe possibly?
Would have the effect that the axis India / China / Africa breaks and the West can continue to exist! And HE can only do that if this axle breaks!
Your hope…. everyone will turn away from Putin !!!
And THEY would and will do anything to survive with their system….EVERYTHING!!!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 9 2022 18:43 utc | 281

sean the leprechaun | Sep 9 2022 18:38 utc | 279
You mean there’s a difference?

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 9 2022 18:53 utc | 282

@Mo3 | Sep 9 2022 18:43 utc | 281
Yes. The West must be allowed a graceful retreat. A pleasant acceptable humiliation.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2022 18:54 utc | 283

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 9 2022 17:11 utc | 230
thanks for the link to the interesting article “Waging War without a Goal” by retired German general Harald Kujat.
The following is the conclusion

It is time for the German government to recognize the signs of the times and to put the security, strategic and economic interests of our country at the center of its policy and thus also set signs for Europe and its self-assertion towards the great powers.

I cannot discern any understanding of Germany’s economic or security interests in the current German government.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 9 2022 18:54 utc | 284

The West’s first strategic objective: Sanctions. It’s why they started the war. It failed.
The West’s present strategic objective: Prevent Putin from declaring victory before the November election. Ongoing.
Also, loot as much “aid” as possible through Cyprus.

Posted by: JackG | Sep 9 2022 19:00 utc | 285

So many new names that know everything. Where have you been hiding until now?
Be patient.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2022 19:02 utc | 286

Dima himself reported weeks ago about the build up of armored brigades around Kharkov and even thought an attack would happen in the region. Do you think Russian military ISR also noted the same?
I’m not drawing any conclusions for a few days. I think there were screw ups, but the Russian Military saw this coming.

Posted by: JackG | Sep 9 2022 19:04 utc | 287

“… BlackRock is not subject to regulatory scrutiny.”
Should not the US political/economic system be called Fascism?
Posted by: Cerena | Sep 9 2022 17:56 utc | 252

Great comment, is that a quote from an article? If so, can you post a link?

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 9 2022 19:07 utc | 288

I see a lot of wailing and handwringing that now Putin will have to up the ante and go all-in, or Russia will be embarrassingly defeated – that this is just not going the way it was supposed to, where the Russians would be partying in Kiev in 72 hours.
I’ll just remind you that nobody in Russia ever said that, and the off-the-cuff assessments that Russia would blitz its way to Kiev in almost less time than reporters could keep up all came from western ‘analysts’ and military think-tankers. I’ll further remind you that the constant yelling that Putin must declare a General Mobilization, but doesn’t dare because it’s so unpopular, also comes from westerners because that’s what they want him to do. Ukraine would be beaten, but it’s going to get beaten anyway and it will be a lot less humiliating for its western backers if Russia has to mobilize its entire army to do it – yeah, sure, they won, but look at their numerical superiority – it was like punching a guy with glasses.
Russia took the west’s proxy forces off the board in Syria with an air force contribution that never exceeded 30 planes at one time. Granted, that was a ragtag Islamist militia that, albeit it received generous donations of western kit, money and training, was not an organized military like Ukraine’s; even though the career professionals are pretty much all dead now, Ukraine still has a fairly powerful army. But the whole aim of a slow advance was always to minimize civilian casualties in an action intended to wipe out Ukraine’s military forces without wholesale slaughter of everybody. Does anyone seriously doubt Russia could end the whole affair in a day if it chose to just rain destruction on Ukraine until it gave up or there was nobody left to surrender? Those arguing for total war are arguing for the needless deaths of brother Slavs, which most certainly plays to the west’s aims whether they be Ukrainians or Russians.
Putin’s popularity and trust among the electorate remain high, and the population is confident that he knows what he is doing better than any potential replacement would. He could declare a general mobilization and call up the reserves, and the population would support him so long as he justified needing to do it. He just doesn’t need to do it.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 9 2022 19:07 utc | 289

It is my opinion that the RF would be better served with far more concrete war aims.
This stuff about “SMO”, Denazification, Demilitarisation is far too vague.
It confuses the Allied side – what are they fighting for? For how long? With whom?
It drives an irrational level of fear on the Western side – the primary thing we hear is how Putin must be stopped at all costs or “he” will roll into Poland and Germany, presumably only stopping in Lisbon.
I personally think the RF should have said from the start:
“We are liberating all areas east of the Dneiper river and the Odessa oblast.
We will stop there as we have no interest in trying to occupy an unfriendly alien population.
We are doing this to end a destructive civil war. The Ukrainian government has shown that is incapable of resolving this civil war peacefully.
After reaching these borders, we will remotely destroy any Ukrainian units that fire on these territories.
These territories will then be reconstituted as an independent “Novorussian Peoples Republic”.
We will then sign a treaty guaranteeing Ukraines neutral status with its armed forces limited to 100.000 men and inspectors verifying compliance from third (non-NATO) countries.”
Then, pull down the iron curtain 2.0 until the Westoids come to their senses.
My sense is that Putin is “too clever by half” keeping things vague. Smacks of the tsarist “play factions against each other while not committing yourself” poker face stuff. Inappropriate in this context.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 9 2022 19:08 utc | 290

There is no push northwards east of Izium to complete the encirclement. All the Ukies have is a long salient. Turkey shoot two coming up.
Russia obviously has a huge number of assets in Ukraine along with space based surveillance and whatever else.
b has given the concern trolls a lead in this thread. Brian Berletic soke about correlation of forces not long back. Russia has 1.9 million military personnel. Slightly over a million are combat troops. That the standing military, no mobilization. As a said in a previous thread, grab a calculator, do the math.
Concern trolls were out in numbers during the turkey shoot in the Kherson region. No wonder Putin and Shoigu were joking and laughing while at the military games. Ukies were busy making their own cauldron above Izyum. All russia has to do now is cook it up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 19:12 utc | 291

The streams of ambulances shown on Intel Slava would seem to indicate that the Russians are back to their old tricks of shelling under-protected Ukrainian troops as they pushed rapidly forward against an evaporating defence. They are now strung out in rows for Russian artillery to pick off from the flanks. Once sufficient reinforcements have arrived the Russians will then destroy the bridges joining them to their territory, and it will be like shooting fish in a barrel. A disgusting analogy, I know, considering we are talking about human beings, but nevertheless very descriptive.
I look forward to Zelensky being brought to justice over this.

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Sep 9 2022 19:13 utc | 292

I think it is time to give up the term SMO because it has been a simmering big war for months now.
And since Ukrainians don’t even seem to appreciate Russia’s careful intervention so far and instead support their Nazis, why continue to care about them?!
Maybe it is time to send missiles to Kiev, just for the sake of it.
And, with the permission of Assad, send missiles to Syria, too, in order to destroy US installations and oil trucks there.

Posted by: Nico | Sep 9 2022 19:18 utc | 293

While the offensive seems terrifying, it also presents an opportunity to reduce the UA reserves, previously scattered in many different locations in the rear, now more tightly packed in fractionally as many locations with arty/precision weapons. This seems to be occurring.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/7609

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 19:20 utc | 294

A couple comments:
It would seem we are seeing the return of maneuver warfare to this conflict. Since the Russians withdrew from the Kiev salient, it has largely been artillery war against dug-in defenses. Now that those defenses are falling, maneuver war returns.
The Russian tactics remind me of the Mongols (Ghengis), the thin front screen, with mobile reinforcements, withdrawal under attack, then when the attack slows, surround and annihilate with superior ranged weapons and firepower.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 9 2022 19:24 utc | 295

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Sep 9 2022 19:13 utc | 292
The streams of ambulances are STAGED!!!
=> psychological warfare Nato School
Bundeswehrhochschule Neubiberg drittes Semester.
Schulungsmaterial 20/34 psychologische Kriegsführung
Same with the streams of Ukronazi soldiers complaining and revolting

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 9 2022 19:26 utc | 296

To all those asking for mobilization and greater force on the side of the RF: this will provoke an equal response from everywhere in NATO.
Maybe it will come to that eventually (not cheering this on), but RF wants it on RF’s terms. Not on NATO terms. Many of you wanting more forces actually play in the hands of NATO.
Remember that Ukraine has the second largest military in Europe, first being Russia. They have advantages and will exploit them, especially when massively aided by NATO. I am actually surprised it took so long for Russia to lose a battle.
This is not Holywood where a few good guys take on an army and win overwhelmingly.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 9 2022 19:29 utc | 297

https://t.me/s/legitimniy
Our source reports that hospitals and hospitals in Kharkiv, Poltava, and Dnipropetrovsk regions are full of wounded people and there are not enough places.
It has now reached the point where military personnel who are not fully treated are being discharged or expelled from hospitals.
This causes indignation among the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
…………
What we wrote about above, there are already videos of “Fast” caravans posted by tg channels of the Russian Federation.
This is yesterday in Kiev.
At the same time, colleagues write that there have been cases of forced discharge of the wounded from hospitals and hospitals.
Conclusion: the situation for the Office of the President is very difficult, given the huge number of losses. Zelensky is saved from a global disaster by one factor, the presence of territorial success. But now the question is, will they be able to hold on?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 19:30 utc | 298

No need for nuclear weapons … joe biden will destroy the US on his own.
I think the UK and Germany are also doing a fine job of self destruction from within.

Posted by: zzz | Sep 9 2022 19:32 utc | 299

My turn. Col Douglas Macgregor, one of the few to predict Russia would indeed invade back in Feb., before these events was predicting a major Russian offensive late August to September. The Ukrainians saw this also and launched two counter offensives to delay or derail the Russian offensive. And the Ukrainians (with manpower from NATO apparently) picked a weakly defended area. I have also heard of complaints from the local militia groups they are getting literally no supplies and backup at times. This may in the end be the worst mistake by the Russians.
So now the Russians are having to send in their own troops to push out the Ukrainians (and NATO troops). Will the Russians defeat the second Ukrainian offensive? Yes, but by all accounts the fighting will be tough as again, I am convinced there are well trained NATO troops there.
But so the question becomes: If the good Colonel was correct, did the Ukrainians derail or seriously delay the long awaited massive Russian offensive? Maybe the good Colonel will address that in later interviews.

Posted by: Erelis | Sep 9 2022 19:32 utc | 300