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September 9, 2022
The Izium ‘Counteroffensive’ Success / Disaster

"It's a disaster," says Dima of the Military Summary channel.

I agree. The question now is: For whom?

Here is the map of the Izium region in the northeast of Ukraine on September 4.


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In the middle we can see the Oskol river flowing north to south. Along it run railway tracks and roads that connect Izium region at the bottom of the map with Urazovo in Russia (further north, not on the map).

Here is the situation in the same area on the morning of September 9.



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The Ukrainian forces have broken through the Russian positions on a wide front and in remarkable depth.

The above maps are from the Ukraine friendly site LiveUAmap. On the Russian side's map, as provided by Dima in his latest video, the Ukrainians are shown even further east and have reached the Oskol river.


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This is latest Rybar version of the map which confirms that the Ukrainian side has at least in part reached the river. They took the town of Senkovo on the western side of it.


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(German version as the English one does not load correctly.)

Izium, Lyman and several other important positions along the Izium front are now in imminent danger of losing their main supply route.

How could this happen?

Well, I am not in the Russian high command and have no idea of the how and why.

But what we know is that there were mostly conscripted men of the Luhansk Peoples Republic at the frontline when this episode started. The troops that held the town of Balakleya for two days where Russian National Guard forces. Those are militarized police units, not real armed forces. The Russian military had to send army forces to evacuate them.

Apparently the whole Russian front in that area was very thin and had too little artillery support. The Ukrainians moved extremely fast skipping towns and just blocking off local resistance to move on. They had a very significant number of tanks and armored transport as well as long range artillery support by several HIMARS systems. Many of the units must also have had night vision equipment as they did not stop even after sunset. There are also reports of strong foreign elements but those are hard to verify.

The LPR forces and whatever else was in the area had no chance. They were killed or captured or moved out.

The Russian side seems to have had little information about the size of the attack. The forces in the area were too few and too light. There should have been way more forces to block the Ukrainian move much earlier.

Then again – I do not know what plans the Russian military has had or might have. We might still see surprises.

Armored Russian reinforcements are now coming in from the north from the northern Kharkov region as well as from the east through Svatove. But they will still need some time to reach the front lines and to set up for battle.

The best countermove is likely to move the battle group seen in Svatove down to Izium and then up northwest and the group from the north southward in an attempt to pincer and envelope the Ukrainian forces.

Going this deep and this fast makes the attacking Ukrainian troops vulnerable. They will need some time to consolidate and to move up their artillery. Their supplies will have to come from Andivka on the left of the map and from Chuhuiv on the upper left. That are some 75 kilometer or 45 miles one way distances.

The Russian missile forces can interdict those routes by destroying the bridges along the way. They should do this as soon as possible. Andivka itself is surrounded by a river in the south, west and north. The handful of bridges over the river should also be dropped to cut the town off.

Ukrainian forces south of Izium and Lyman try to cross the Siversky Donets river to attack those cities from another direction. The idea is likely to bind the Russian forces there and to not let them move north to counter the upper Ukrainian strike.

There may be some ingenious Russian plan behind this to drag the Ukrainian forces in to then destroy them in place. But I do not see any evidence for that.

Heads will have to roll for this disaster.

Comments

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 12:32 utc | 88
No surprise.
Same US Nato playbook like in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Nothing new.
Russia should know it better due to the fact that russian military personal have studied the Nato war against Serbia

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 9 2022 12:57 utc | 101

If Ukraine is conducting this otherwise pointless “offensive” for PR purposes in the West, their timing could not have been worse. An atom bomb could drop on Boise and the first news report of it on American TV news would have to wait until the completion of yet another endless interview with some British twit about the glories of the Queen that BoJo killed.

Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | Sep 9 2022 12:58 utc | 102

The Russian armed forces have been way too timid since the beginning of this SMO. When people like Martyanov claim that they had conquered a territory “the size of the UK” in March that was a sad joke, as anyone with half a notion of geography would have noticed. Since then the bulk of the fighting is done by the Donbas militias with RF forces just providing artillery, intelligence and air support. They have not even destroyed the bridges over the Dnieper river with their famed “precision missiles”, thereby allowing reinforcements of all kinds to reach the Ukrainians ensconced in the Donbas area. Furthermore, they could not even stop the shelling at the Zaporizhya nuclear power plant. This campaign has been far too timid, if the Russians had provided, say, an extra 100,000 troops (that is, one-tenth of their total forces) to help the militias this campaign would have been over months ago, and at no extra cost in terms of lives.
Russia is not displaying strength in this fight, it is displaying weakness. And if this degenerates into an Afghanistan 2.0 then the consequences will be devastating, not just for Russia, but for the whole World.

Posted by: repsinec | Sep 9 2022 12:59 utc | 103

Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | Sep 9 2022 12:58 utc | 101
I’m in the UK and can’t look at any papers or the news channels at all. Wall-to-wall drivel about the Queen.
I couldn’t care less.

Posted by: evilsooty999 | Sep 9 2022 13:00 utc | 104

How could you ever believe this to be true? And what would the de-Ukrainization of the population look like? Education camps? Electric shock therapy?
Posted by: Pat Bateman | Sep 9 2022 12:22 utc | 84

What did de-Russification look like?
If the population there has a sufficiently unstable identity to be turned into Ukrainians over a couple generations, that process can presumably be run in reverse too.
What is the alternative?
If that is not done, what may well happen eventually is that 50-100 years from now you have multiple different ethnicities all derived from the current Russian one residing in a bunch of small, “independent”, warring with each other states on the territory of what was once the Russian Federation. Quite possibly none of them will have nukes and almost certainly they will all be colonial fiefdoms of the West, controlled and pitted against each other by their masters, while their natural resources are flowing West for peanuts in exchange.
Just as for the last 30 years you have a bunch of states that have on multiple occasions been at war with each other (right now there are two active such wars and several frozen ones) on the territory of what used to be the USSR, even though that was unthinkable circa 1980. And most of them have become colonial fiefdoms of the West.

Posted by: Tbx | Sep 9 2022 13:02 utc | 105

Ask yourself the question in this SMO – who is Foreman and who is Ali ?

Does it help?
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 9 2022 12:39 utc | 92

Hmmm, one died prematurely from Parkinson’s (possibly from too many blows to the head) and the other has remained a successful entrepreneur for decades.
It is the long game that matters here and the outcome is anything but certain.
Simplistic sports analogies don’t belong anywhere near geopolitics.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 9 2022 13:05 utc | 106

The Ruskies failed because they dilly dallied too long and under estimate the Ukie stubborn tenacity. One just can’t fight a “limited war” you have to go all in and fast.

Posted by: Hannibal | Sep 9 2022 13:05 utc | 107

Pacifica_Advocate @91
The Russian word for the herb “dill” is “ukrop” (Укроп). Dill is a somewhat less respectful term for “Ukrainian” than khokhol (topknot), but still far from as nasty as the terms that the Nazis use for Russians.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 13:06 utc | 108

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 9 2022 12:36 utc | 91
In the machine translation, I’m guessing that everywhere one might see the word “dill” the machine is mistranslating “DPR.”
Dill is Russian is “укроп”, ukrop, slang for Ukrainians.

Posted by: Aelfsige | Sep 9 2022 13:08 utc | 109

Bad news for any civilians who remained in those areas, I’d expect the AFU’s Einsatzgruppen will be giving a lesson not to trust Russia to stick by them in rough times.

Posted by: JM Hatch | Sep 9 2022 13:10 utc | 110

Mark my words.
Mr Ying visited Mr Yang at Mr Yings full expense!!
I have absolutely no doubt that the full might of the RAF is in full swing 24/7, 500 lb fabs raining down,KA 52’s.
This will be another Ukrainian blood bath,advanced too far in front of their own artillery.Russia will mutilate their rear support.
Russia will be in Ukraine for at least 30 years.
This is how long it will take to undo the wests corruption of the (Ukrainian,Russian) people.
Russia committed to this fact the day they entered the SMO.
A long game,no time line.
This offense is doomed in this scheme of things,a sad tradjic joke really.

Posted by: Kim | Sep 9 2022 13:11 utc | 111

If instead of Russia the US were fighting Ukraine, Ukraine would be a Flatland by now .

Posted by: Viktor K | Sep 9 2022 13:12 utc | 112

Theatre of War: Anti-War protests break out all-over Europe, as “winter is coming”. Look over here, the Galicians still have a fighting chance!

Posted by: john harbar | Sep 9 2022 13:13 utc | 113

The Russian word for the herb “dill” is “ukrop” (Укрп). Dill is a somewhat less respectful term for “Ukrainian” than khokhol (topknot), but still far from as nasty as the terms that the Nazis use for Russians.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 13:06 utc | 107
Until today I thought that khokhol is more mocking, because in Polish (different spelling) it means straw covering a fruit tree for winter, and also “straw man” that takes part in a classic Polish drama, and which became a part of proverbial expression (straw man dance = being lead in a meaningless direction). In this sense, all EU succumbed to straw man dance, following empty headed leaders (or heaving wood instead of brains if we take the metaphor accurately) with meaningless rhetoric.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 9 2022 13:23 utc | 114

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine
as of September 9, 2022
🔻The armed forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction made several unsuccessful attempts to attack, suffered losses and retreated.
▪️Manpower and military equipment of the 46th Airmobile Brigade, the 35th Marine Brigade and the 61st Infantry Jaeger Brigade were defeated in the areas of the settlements of BEZIMENNOE, NOVOGRIGORIEVKA, Nikolaev Region, and DRY STATES, Kherson Region.
▪️In just a day, in the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction, the enemy lost 3 tanks, 4 infantry fighting vehicles and 7 other armored vehicles, 2 pickup trucks with heavy machine guns and more than 270 military personnel.
▪️ High-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the control posts of the nationalist formation “Kraken” in the area of ​​​​the settlement of PRISHIB in the Kharkov region and the 93rd mechanized brigade in the area of ​​ARTEMOVSK of the Donetsk People’s Republic. More than 50 nationalists were destroyed, as well as 16 units of special military equipment and vehicles.
▪️ More than 50 Ukrainian servicemen were liquidated and more than 120 Ukrainian servicemen were wounded by strikes of ground-based precision weapons on the points of temporary deployment of units of the 127th Territorial Defense Brigade and the 14th Mechanized Brigade near the city of KHARKIV.
🔻The strikes by operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery on military facilities on the territory of Ukraine continue.
▪️ During the day, eight command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of the settlements of LEBYAZHIE, CHERVONYY YAR, GUSAROVKA and LIMAN in the Kharkiv region, MARYINKA and RAY-ALEKSANDROVKA in the Donetsk People’s Republic, KRIVOY RIG of the Dnepropetrovsk region, Gulyaypole of the Zaporozhye region, as well as 52 artillery units, live strength and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 153 districts.
▪️ Three depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed in the districts of CHUGUEV, Kharkiv region and RADUSHNOE, Dnepropetrovsk region. In the area of ​​​​the settlement of CHERVONY DONETS, Kharkiv region, a US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket launcher was destroyed. An American howitzer M-777 was destroyed in the area of ​​RIVNOPOLYA, Zaporozhye region.
▪️ During the day, air defense systems shot down six unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of IZYUM, Kharkiv region, STAROMLINOVKA, KIRILLOVKA, SLAVNOE and MAKEEVKA in the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as SLAKAYA BALKA, Zaporozhye region.
▪️ In addition, 18 shells of the HIMARS and Vilkha multiple launch rocket systems were destroyed in the air in the areas of the settlements of NOVAYA KAHOVKA and GOLAYA PRISTATH of the Kherson region, as well as the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station
▪️ In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 293 aircraft, 152 helicopters, 1916 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4870 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 827 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3371 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5417 units of special military vehicles.
🔻The Kiev regime continues provocations in order to create a threat of a man-made disaster at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
▪️ During the day, six artillery attacks on the city of ENERGODAR were recorded. 27 shells were fired from the area of ​​the settlement MARGANETS, located on the opposite bank of the Kakhovka reservoir. As a result of the shelling of power lines, the city was left without electricity.
▪️ The enemy firepower was suppressed by the return fire of the Russian artillery.
▪️ Full-time personnel ensures control of the technical condition of the nuclear power plant.

Posted by: Summary | Sep 9 2022 13:25 utc | 115

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 13:06 utc | 107
Posted by: Aelfsige | Sep 9 2022 13:08 utc | 108
Thanks for that, both of you.
And it’s flattering Mr. Gruff reads my comments.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 9 2022 13:32 utc | 116

Seems like the 3 Baltic states are imploding economically. It is very likely that Nato will attempt to arrange an event similar to the attack on Gleiwit

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 117

Piotr Berman @113
Apparently the literal translation of “khokhol” is something like “sheaf”, as in “sheaf of wheat”. This is because the classic Ukrainian topknot presumably looks like a small clump of grass or grain stalks.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 118

Perhaps not you Putin cultists will finally accept that your deity isn’t the almighty 5D chess player you took him for? No?
The only ones “surprised” by this offensive was, apparently, the Russian High Commamd, assuming such a beast exists. The Ukranazis had been saying that they would attack in the Kharkov area, they massed troops there, yet the Russian aviation apparently did not detect them or did not bother to do a thing. The Ukranazis, who were on the ropes two months ago, can now launch two major offensives on two extremely widely separated areas of the front, whether successfully or not: what does that tell you about who’s getting stronger? Why have the Russian missiles that the asinine blowhard Andrei Martyanov keeps boasting about not taken down the Dneiper bridges and the Ukrainian railway network? Why indeed have reports of Russian missile strikes on Lvov dried up in the last few months? If it was the LDNR militias holding the ground, what does it say that in 6 months the Russian side has not bothered to set up a unified command and control system?
What, indeed, is Putin’s final vision for how this conflict ends? He is obviously not interested in denazification, or the Ukranazi coup regime would no longer exist. If he was serious about demilitarisation the Ukranazi coup regime would not by this time be able to launch offensives. If he wants only to block Ukranazistan from joining NATO, Elensky has already admitted this will not happen. So unless he’s in this conflict to win it, what exactly is he fighting for?
Has anyone noticed that the nazis are now so blatant about their ideology, by the way, that they’re painting WWII Wehrmacht cross insignia on their armour in Kharkov?
For years now a few of us have been saying these things:
1. NATO is turning the Ukranazi coup regime military, which hardly existed in 2014, into a potent force.
2. In case of a war NATO troops in Ukrainian uniform will be fighting Russia.
3. Not denazifying Ukraine in 2014-15 means Russia will have to fight a major war later under more difficult circumstances.
What did you cultists say? You called us trolls and worse, you banned us from your comment fora, and now you still worship at the altar of your 5D chess playing Greatest Grandmaster The Galaxy Has Ever Seen.
For those of you claiming that massive Ukranazi coup regime casualties in Kharkov will be decisive, I would remind you of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam in 1968. In terms of losses it was a disaster for the Vietnamese: 35000 Viet Cong guerrilla and main force troops killed, nothing captured that was not recaptured by America and its South Vietnamese puppets including the city of Hué. The Viet Cong was so damaged that it never recovered and from 1968-75 most to all the fighting was conducted by regular troops of the North Vietnamese People’s Army.
And yet, Tet was an overwhelming strategic victory for Vietnam because it fundamentally changed opinions, both in America and the wider world, about the way the war was going.
All this time we have seen that the international opinion was shifting steadily towards Russia: from 143 countries voting against it earlier this year to 54 now. A perceived defeat could extremely easily switch it back again.
Also, please spare me that crap about Russia holding back to “spare civilians”. Did Russia win the Chechen War by “sparing civilians”? And they were Russian citizens!
Anyway, keep making up fantasies about how this is a 5D chess trap, while Russia retreats to the border and countries quietly change sides.
I’m though with this.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 119

@99. Russia started moving new forces in on the 6th (vid at intel slava). The 1st arrived & were active immediately. Evacced the trapped, including civilians in CT area
Reinforcements continue to arrive. Another half dozen or so posts at intelslava this morning showing forces en route, & more showing continuous shelling. Looks like they’re hitting the ground running.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 9 2022 13:35 utc | 120

Seems like the 3 Baltic states are imploding economically. It is very likely that Nato will attempt to arrange an event similar to the attack on Gleiwit
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 116
… z radio station in 1939, or the Soviet shelling of “Mainila” in 1939, in the area of one Baltic state or Poland. Meanwhile Russia will try to sit the war attempts out, and mitigate provocative actions they might take. The race is on.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 13:35 utc | 121

I clearly remember reading from Mao Tse-Dung’s Little Red Book that to win a battle,
“Surround a smaller force with a larger force and annihilate the smaller force.”
Pretty clear, simple tactics and strategy. We can only suppose this will happen in Izium.

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 9 2022 13:35 utc | 122

Isn’t it possible that this is too gloomy an assessment?
I can see WW2 parallels here.
Though they should probably not be overstated, there are similarities to the fighting in the Donbas.
In June 1944, after the Normandy landings, Allied forces began to move inland. Progress appeared painfully slow. The front line barely moved for a couple of months, with heavy fighting for relatively insignificant towns like Caen and St. Lo. But German forces were being ground down in a battle of attrition. 12th SS Panzer Division, for example, was reduced from 20,000 men and 200 tanks to a rump of 500 men with a dozen tanks. Then the breakthrough occurred in August/ September with a virtually unopposed drive right through France and into Belgium and Holland.
In December 1944, the last German reserves were thrown into a surprise attack against weak US forces in the Ardennes/ Bulge offensive. This was initially successful and produced something of a panic in the Allied Command. But it soon ran out of stream and those forces were destroyed.
I respect the Moon’s judgment, but I suspect we may soon witness something similar.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2022 13:40 utc | 123

I’m though with this.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 118
Thanks, that’s game over for all of us, thanks again

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 9 2022 13:40 utc | 124

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 9 2022 13:34 utc | 118
it’s like when the nazis won world war 2 with the Ardennes offensive. oh wait.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 9 2022 13:43 utc | 125

German Spring Offensive – Operation Michael.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Sep 9 2022 13:49 utc | 126

When I look at the map I see still many bridges and ways Russian and Pro-Russian forces can go around the Ukros.
If you push deep inside enemy territory you need enough manpower to hold that corridor open for supply and keeping the pressure up.
And I doubt the Russians will allow that, they will move more troops to the sidelines, using artillery and bombardment to cut them off from the front. And close the gap trapping the troops that pushed too deep inside.
In war you cannot push simply into the depth, you need to open up and secure a corridor, the same people that laughed at
The long column that Russians made to Kiew are now saying that those pushing into Russian-held territory will cause a big defeat.
The Russians have enough drones there, they know and knew what was happening
How is this a big success? Because they set up some flags and pushed a few Russian troops away, which fight 1:3 ratio or on the front even 1:10. They took the ground now, and I doubt next week at this time they will be still there nor be pushing deeper!
I am sure its a trap just like Romans opened corridors for enemies to push in and then closed them to slaughter them, or like the battle of Hannibal in Cannae the center is weak and flexible moving backward, full of confidence the attackers storm in believing they will cut through the enemy. while stronger units outflank them, you all seem to know more than Russians and their secret service? How many men that are able to fight Ukraine has still left?
Ukraine and NATO are fighting for PR, Russia doesn’t retreat and let them take the land, we bomb and shell them after! Our mission is to kill as many enemies and destroy their gear, not holding landmarks at cost of human lives that are unnecessary! Dead or crippled soldiers do not come back nor does destroyed gear!
The goal of NATO was attrition? But who is now bleeding out whom? Whit high energy and resource prices can NATO countries continue to manufacture enough military supplies and gear? I doubt that too! The whole NATO+G7 is running into a trap, so Russia and China will be able to do in near future whatever they want as the West won’t have the conventional gear to cause trouble for them! This means even Iran and Syria will be able to kick them out of Syria and Iraq, just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan!
You have to plan long-term and calm down, like in chess do not hurry, do not sacrifice valuable figures if not necessary. Keep also the bigger picture up in your head what is happening on the financial market and societies. Civil wars could happen within NATO and G7 countries if people feel the pain too much, not from brainwashed sheeple but from not-so-nice immigrants and refugees that won’t accept sitting in the cold and dark being hungry!

Posted by: tobi999 | Sep 9 2022 13:49 utc | 127

@ “Simplistic sports analogies don’t belong anywhere near geopolitics.”
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 9 2022 13:05 utc | 105
Just answer the he question ok?
Strategy and tactics are what war is all about.
In fact most things in life.
Shankly said Football is not a matter of life or death – it’s a lot more important.
The yanks even only ever talk about offense and defense in all their sports and life stories.
Typically you seem to equate the commercial success post Fighting to be more important than the Historical Memory and reverence of the arguably Greatest sportsman in history – and a almost murderous fight in Kinshasa, known and revered by billlions across the world. He will be for ever when such things are recalled.
If you didn’t bother reading the whole referenced article , you may learn something of perception and reality.
Have a good day.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 9 2022 13:52 utc | 128

The salient
Looks like a big Ol’ noose the ukies have stuck their sex organs into, and the axiom about how you never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake applies very well to the situation. Aside from the facts of Russia has a relatively unlimited war fighting resource reserve in all ways.
If anything its a great show and it is getting even more watch worthy with the prospect if the Russian Alliance reaction to the ukie thrust into the Alliance Izyum AO.
I just can not imagine what the ukies and their overlords are thinking about and what they expect to accomplish beyond propaganda purposes, because the Russian’s have their hundreds of miles of border to use to reinforce and supply whatever forces that are in front of the ukie thrust. Be another thing entirely if they chose a location to attack that was not so tactically close to Russian territory. In that light the ukies operations only make this counteratack a tactically strange choice of places to break thru Alliance lines.
Besides its always wise to waith a day or three because an Alliance counterattack simply can not happen instantly and in such a case there are mitigating realities such as looking at the enemies movements, judging which way he will go terrotory wise, like for instance he is thrusting towards a particularly dangerous, for him, spot, that is worth waiting for if your going to counterattack. Just too many variables in an evolving battle for me an armchair tactition to appreciate the full reality and predict whats going to take place. Just one certain element here is the Russians can come across the Ukrainian border in numbers of reenforcement and provision the ukies just can not.
To me that will dictate the course of events in this battle more than others. It really aint all that much of a penetration of Donbas Russian Alliance held territory. Plus how long can the ukies keep up and feed such an operation? Because its logistics that matter here. Zlogistics and effective fighting man-power. I think the Alliance holds an order of magnitude quantitative and qualitative superiority. Not to bismirch the ukies attempts to regain territory its lost. Regardless territory taken can be retaken. Its really no big shakes. Its sure interesting and waiting for developments. Never mind its very interesting watching and looking at the bigger picture, just what are the ukie’s and their overlords intending to accomplish? Because from the tac-strat persective, beyond ferric winning of a battle what is really going on. It just looks like the worst choce of geographical locations to make a deep thrust. There’s nothing of strategic value to gain in that region like say Kershon.

Posted by: muffy the dog | Sep 9 2022 13:53 utc | 129

I agree this looks bad for Russia, and it’s impossible for any of us without first-hand knowledge of the modern Russian military to know WTF is going on with C². I mean, c’mon: you see the enemy buildup but you don’t counter with your own buildup, or even try to interdict the enemy buildup? Are you effing retarded! Or maybe it was intentional, which is just sociopathic, as in Stalin-esque. But taking it at face value, it’s all Russia’s fault in the first place for playing this cynical, ultimately far-more-casualty-causing pattycake faux-war with Ukraine. Putin’s strategic purpose has always been to drag it out as long as possible so that US/NATO will print money it doesn’t have to toss down the filthy mobster toilet that is the Ukraine Thug Regime; all while causing US-dollar-priced energy commodities to skyrocket. He is succeeding at tanking the Dollar and edging the West toward bankruptcy, sure, but it’s a dangerous gamble. US heavy weaponry is super-super superior to Russian junk, and no one believes the Ukies are operating the complicated systems themselves. If fragmented Ukie mech units can change the game this much in two days after being pummeled for 6 months, then it is ALL because of US long-range artillery and other aerial assets. Or, okay, maybe it’s a trap–at the purposeful expense of soldiers’ lives. So either the Russian Commanders are abjectly stupid or abjectly evil. Regardless, Putin may need to call off his orchestrated quagmire and replace it with a real invasion; or otherwise his pawns may just get chased off the battlefield. Sigh, it is too early to tell. A couple days more should reveal what is really going on.

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Sep 9 2022 13:57 utc | 130

The bloodiest US/NATO/2014-regime PR-stunt yet.

Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 9 2022 13:58 utc | 131

There is a well known dictum that true freind is one who will tell you straight truth even if that truth is unpleasant. When the king or leader is given flattering advice all the time without justification then that advisor is no friend but an enemy.
Many pro Russian bloggers come in category of those enemies who have cheered up Russia on her disastrous moves since before 2013 let alone from 2014 or now.
Lavrov and pesko have been traitors but were praised as genius by russophiles.
Putin has taken weakling position at every crucial stage after talking big.
“you have to give Strelkov credit. In March already he predicted that the front would stall, and it stalled. In April he predicted that by summer Ukraine would amass a sufficient army for counterattacking, and guess what… the Ukies counterattacked, and successfully at that ! So yes Strelkov is a doomer, and overly pessimistic, but somehow some of his predictions were bullseye. I can’t recall such successes by Saker or Martyanov, which seem content to just rehash some Rybar maps…”

Posted by: Sam | Sep 9 2022 14:00 utc | 132

@ Posted by: Paul | Sep 9 2022 13:40 utc | 122
The reason the Normandy denouement was slow in coming was to ALLOW the panzers and Armies to get back to the Eastern front … only no one bothered to tell the 400 Poles who managed to bottle up the Falaise Gap. In fact the Poles got no further help while doing so from the Allies – Canuks and Yanks included. The Poles were fooled then as they are fools again now.
A lot of secret history not publicised but available on the ground. I’ve seen it.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 9 2022 14:02 utc | 133

And there it goes….I told you so….
Itapirkanmaa2
Itapirkanmaa2
47 minutes ago
A claimed Kiev regime soldier statement. (TG / Masno)
“💥There is a kneading near Kupyansk, worse than Balakleysky. We are taking heavy losses. The enemy is transferring a bunch of reserves by airmobile, the “Wagnerites” have already arrived in the city itself. Aviation literally does not get off the sky. Hearing about this, a nasty feeling of an ambush arises in the soul … Fuck, if all this really turns out to be a strategic-level ambush … ???”
There are so many drones over the battlefield how can anyone believe Russians do not know what is happening there?
Ukros will hold these landmarks for some days? Losing 100:1 or even more soldiers and gear? ohhhh a great success!
And then the Russians will push them back again!

Posted by: tobi999 | Sep 9 2022 14:11 utc | 134

At least we can agree that there is an intensive information campaign going on in oppositional channels right now. The usual: Putin must (be seen to) fail / Russia must be more brutal. Always the same two messages. That is what the information masters want.
Some new posters here let drop their masks, so we can see that this information campaign has been prepared for some time, since they begun posting here at least.
Those in good faith should maybe wait and see what is actually happening on the ground, not just what is rumoured to happen, before starting to explain, excuse, or condemn.

Posted by: veto | Sep 9 2022 14:11 utc | 135

Itapirkanmaa2
Itapirkanmaa2
1 hour ago (edited)
TG / Donbass Devushka quote:
“IZYUM REPORTS
good news
We can talk about the first mini-boiler where [=that] the Armed Forces stuffed [=created]
The territory of Sinikha-Senkovo-Vorontsovka-Fedorovka-Lesnaya Stenka, where the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had previously broken through, was taken by the fighters of the 60th Specialized Motorized Rifle Brigade “Veterans” and the forces attached to them into the environment.
Combat assault formations are being brought in and these territories are being cleared.
We are monitoring the situation.”

15:51
“The 93rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine “Cold Yar” in their social networks reports on the fiercest battles near Kupyansk, where significant forces of the Russian Armed Forces have been deployed by air and land.
Separately, the uninterrupted work of Russian aviation and the appearance of well-armed fighters of the Wagner PMC are noted at the front.”

Posted by: tobi999 | Sep 9 2022 14:16 utc | 136

Someone mentioned Kahn’s Escalation Ladder elsewhere and I looked it up. It is concerning since the next rung is reaching for nukes.
If Putin’s Sado-Masochist Operation is for real (and not kabuki theater since none of the “people who actually matter” get hurt in all this on both sides, including economic pain (we pay not the “leader”)) then this is either going to end with capitulation of Russia or we’re headed toward nuclear exchanges.
(Whoever mentioned Peter Principle is spot on imo — in an unfortunate turn of events for Russians the Peter in question is not Pyotr Alekseevich.)

Posted by: the-actual-concern | Sep 9 2022 14:18 utc | 137

I would suggest that people read this post here:
https://thesaker.is/some-very-basic-stuff-about-russian-defenses-in-the-smo/
The analogy to naval warfare is absolutely correct. The number of Russian troops in Ukraine is far to small for effective static defenses to be practical. This is similar to the US situation in Afghanistan. However; the Russians understand that their mission is not to win the hearts and minds of ethnic Ukrainians. Their mission is to kill the Ukrainian soldiers then drive the women and children out of the country. Russia also has the energy trump card with which to destroy the economies of the countries that provide military and economic aid to Ukraine. The fracking revolution under President Trump should have made the US immune to such attacks, but destroying US energy independence was job one for Biden.
This Ukrainian salient will soon become a killing ground. The troops will become just more meat for the grinder.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Sep 9 2022 14:19 utc | 138

The line of conflict is very long and the Russian/Allied force is not very large. This necessitates a degree of looseness and shalowness of control at the line.
The Ukrainian military has been more resilient than has been reported.
Reliance on standoff artillery mode of battle would make one susceptible to rapid assault.
I would have thought advantage in air force and tanks would have limited such an assault. Maybe it will. But it does appear that Javelins and Stingers and such have caused Russians to hold that trophy equipment from where it might get damaged.
It seems most likely that the Russian force will adjust and regain most of what has been lost in this limited area, but will then remain susceptible to same in other areas until they can greatly reduce fighting capabilty of Ukraine.
Were Russia so inclined, the seems an opportunity for a counter offensive, but that does not seem to be their line of thinking.
Stems partly from the fact that the conflict is actually the less important aspect of the war that Russia is fighting.

Posted by: jared | Sep 9 2022 14:21 utc | 139

Lets hope, Russians shall prevail.
This is the most important war in world’s history.
Us or them.

Posted by: mario2 | Sep 9 2022 14:22 utc | 140

The Ruskies failed because they dilly dallied too long and under estimate the Ukie stubborn tenacity. One just can’t fight a “limited war” you have to go all in and fast.
Posted by: Hannibal | Sep 9 2022 13:05 utc | 106
Absolutely !

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 9 2022 14:24 utc | 141

I would expect the anglosaxon advisors to attempt some hightech deception, such as overlaying rf-communications not just to disrupt but to paste entirely false information. Useful when you perform a surprise attack.
I have no idea if such things are at work, just speculating. We are entering a new world and there are presunably advances in AI that could make a difference.
Remember that Israel used comparatively low tech to fool Syria in the 1967-war, with simply false transmissions.
Today the west may look back to many decades of faking radar echos to mislead missiles so pasting false messages in realtime is not really such a big deal.
Assuming the other side – the russian side, doesnt suspect it is a false message they might not change the communication line.
I dont know what kind of comm tech they use so this is just brain storming.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 9 2022 14:25 utc | 142

All these Telegram channel “experts” YT “experts” are only speculating and guessing. Some even say that they have sources, who inform them of the military situation. They don’t have any exact info, more guesswork than info. RF and allied forces don’t carry mobile telephones, other than the military ones, so ‘videos’ from them can’t come through. Any such ‘info’ would be considered as treason/spying. Voenkors or accredited war correspondents have some info, but after the fact. They themselves say so. Kadyrov’s people are carrying mobiles, but they won’t publish anything upfront. So, best take the info from the TG, YT, Rutube channels with a grain of salt. Even kp.ru, iz.ru, kommersant.ru give you old news.

Posted by: mnra | Sep 9 2022 14:25 utc | 143

Well, now….
I have to say it appears the IO is in high gear now. I’m seeing DOZENS of posters here never seen before. Hmmm….what did Shakespeare say? ” Me thinks she does protest too much.”
Folks pointing at Pat Lang’s site? Really?! Puh- leese! I almost snorted my morning coffee out my nose!
Many of these comments beggar disbelief, imo. Oh No! Dima and “b” say it’s a Disaster! Incompetence at best and Criminal at worst. How could the RF NOT know about the huge buildup of AFU material and personnel that has been going on for weeks?!? Or the statements of AFU General Zuluzny(sic) regarding an offensive towards Kharkov/ Izium? Mon dieu!!
I think the RF knew that the AFU was going to attack SOMEwhere, but rather than build up secondary defensive positions in probably the wrong place, they just waited.
Now, they are allowing the AFU to pour in, what, 50,000 men and all the armor they have been hoarding? Mark my my words, this is going to be a slaughter of Biblical proportions and will make Kherson look like a paintball skirmish.
Just my opinion
I could be wrong
Slava Russia
Blessings to All y’all
L

Posted by: Lauren Michele | Sep 9 2022 14:30 utc | 144

To win a war you need the economy, you need manpower, you need firepower and you need airpower!
All of that is becoming fewer and smaller in the Ukraine and West!
Russia controls the air, it has an artillery ratio of 1:100
and for your info the grain from Ukraine was take to 99% to the West not poor countries!!!
The West is fucked!
how long until Ukraine runs out of men? They are already forcing women to fight! Sure the Ukraine and West is winning….
just as they did in Afghanistan!!!

Posted by: tobi999 | Sep 9 2022 14:33 utc | 145

b, you’re making at least three major assumptions:
1) that the Russians didn’t know about the planned offensive
2) didn’t prepare for it
3) are reacting viscerally, not cerebrally
If all three assumptions are correct, which I find virtually impossible to accept, then your criticisms are valid. Only then.

Posted by: pasha | Sep 9 2022 14:34 utc | 146

All these Armchair generals passing judgement on the Russian forces. Mistakes happen, often more than once.
The west needs to be seen than more the ineffectual farts that so far, they have demonstrated themselves to be.
This counter offensive is/was the only NATO srategy that has had any success and that was against the weakest of the allied militaries. It might be a surge in the west’s media campaign, but it is a mere blip in the SMO.
I suspect when the Russian military arrives, things will go into a very rapid reverse for the UAF.
No doubt, some very seriuos carnage is about to be released from the Russian side.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Sep 9 2022 14:35 utc | 147

Since February Russia had launched 3 military satellites, if I remember correctly. So, RF military knows what’s happening in Ukraine, and not only in Ukraine. RF usually never say anything upfront, don’t show their hand. All info comes after the fact.

Posted by: mnra | Sep 9 2022 14:36 utc | 148

What is the Ukrainian plan? Looking at the map showing Ukraine advances, all I see is that the attacking forces are surrounded on three sides. This is not a good position to be in. Their flanks are totally exposed. If they continue to advance east, it makes their position worse and further stretches supply lines.
From a strategic standpoint, this attack makes little sense. The Ukrainians aren’t going to capture Moscow. Nor Crimea. What exactly can they do to cause Ukraine to win this war? Frankly, nothing that I can see. All I see is that the Ukrainian army would rather die in open fields shooting at an enemy they can see versus in holes being blown to bits by long range artillery.

Posted by: TimmyB | Sep 9 2022 14:37 utc | 149

Stonebird @ 14
An M101 howitzer is an antique from 1940. Are they towed by period correct vintage Studebaker trucks? Are they manned by octogenarian re-enactors?
This has become the opera bouffe war. Someone wake me up at intermission. I need to visit the bar.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 14:38 utc | 150

Elizabeth the second left this world at the wrong time for Kiev, by the time the hagiographies and eulogies are silenced Zelensky’s operation will run out of steam and the true meat grinding exercise will start to be known by numbers, it won’t be front page anymore.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 14:46 utc | 151

RF knew all about this impending attack. Messages had been posted for days about large military movement in the kharkov region. Therefore, one can only come to the conclusion that this is a self made cauldron by the UF at the encouragement of RF, knowing that the us monitor all movements, they then move in to destroy UF in the field.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 9 2022 14:46 utc | 152

Posted by: TimmyB | Sep 9 2022 14:37 utc | 146
The aim is to cut western-most Russian forces off from their supply lines in the east, leaving them stranded and vulnerable. They are calculating that for political reasons Putin will choose to withdraw those troops toward the east, thus allowing Ukraine to claim a great victory, a great reconquest of territory, etc. This will energize popular support for Ukrainian war in Western countries and will enable NATO and US to devote even more resources to the war. It is a huge gamble, and requires the sacrifice of possibly tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripted cannon fodder, but, as Dr. Snekotron has pointed out on Twitter, war is not about how many casualities you suffer or how much you spend, it is about achieving one’s political aims.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 9 2022 14:47 utc | 153

If Andrei Martyanov was Japanese, he would have spent the weeks after Midway calling the rest of the world stupid for not understanding how strategically placing all of one’s carriers at the bottom of the ocean is actually a brilliant gambit, far beyond the ability of simpletons like the average American to comprehend, and absolutely an indicator of impending total victory.

Posted by: AntiDem | Sep 9 2022 14:48 utc | 154

Re: Posted by: bachac | Sep 9 2022 10:27 utc | 21
What are you talking about? You have been told to “Trust the Plan” because it’s a good plan. Russia are playing 55D Chess and Ukraine are playing checkers.
Ukraine has no idea what it is doing.
Just think back a few years to the contest between President Trump and the so-called “Deep State”.
Trump was playing 54D Chess and the stupid “Deep State” were playing checkers and had no idea (and no answer) has to how to deal with Trump. That is why President Trump Drained the Swamp and Destroyed the Deep State.
Look at the situation now – President Trump is remembered as perhaps the best ever President of the United States and the so-called Deep State have been destroyed and dismembered and removed from the halls of power.
Clearly the Russians are playing 44D chess just as President Trump did and this contest is already over.
All you need to do is “Trust the Plan” – you have no idea of the secret moves President Trump is doing to destroy the Deep State.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 9 2022 14:49 utc | 155

Dima is right whatever happens – he has claimed that a trap was set up for AFU, and he has said that a disaster is brewing for Russian military.
One day one thing, next day another. It was very clever of our host to capture this bipolar situation. It’s a moment of reflection for me, and perhaps other readers, too. Are we being played? Do we know, which way we are played?
Martyanov can only be right or wrong, he’s been consistent in his estimations. He’s been “on the record”, as he says.
***
Zooming out, all things considered, the West must make Russia to abandon Special Military Operation – it needs Russia to declare war and mobilization.
Otherwise the contact with De Winter, the crash with its own misdeeds and ensuing misery would be unnecessary waste, a good crisis wasted. Who did it? Why, it was me, myself and I. Why should we, the ordinary people suffer, for which purpose? Could we eat sanctions, could we heat our houses with them? War would make it simple, so the West needs general war now. And it would very much prefer Russia to declare it. Just in case, to avoid the humiliation of history.
And Russia, simply by staying humble, lays responsibility back on feet of the West and its politicians.
The SMO is dead, long live the SMO, one might say.

Posted by: js | Sep 9 2022 14:49 utc | 156

I dont know if anyone else has experienced this. I recently made a post on Jimmy Dore on YT which went against the western narrative on the Ukraine situation. Not long after I have been getting replies to other posts I made on other websites on YT. Mundane posts on real estate and car reviews all telling me how They loved my post and I should reply on Telegram for a prize. 3 times! in the last 2 weeks. I sure as hell am not claiming any prize. People should be aware. These creeps play dirty.

Posted by: DaVinci | Sep 9 2022 14:49 utc | 157

Posted by: Idiocrates | Sep 9 2022 11:30 utc | 53

I tend to agree. I think this was another Russian feint. Don’t lets start cheering/sulking just yet.

As for me, I have already started cheering, Friday drink in hand.
Mark my words, by Sunday, the AFU will be merrily boiling in Putin’s cauldron(s).
If I am wrong, I shall cease to post on MoA for the next 6 months (… it’s become infested by idiots like Chessmaster anyhow).

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 14:50 utc | 158

War of attrition…………keep it going till an advantage can be gained – not necessarily on the battle field or front.
US is well practiced at these wars …..they have them going on everywhere using others to do the required dying part.
The strategic problem is they have not been able to gain the required advantage off the battle fronts, so they just keep going and building and using resources. In the long run they are not sustainable indefinitely and everywhere.
The Afghan withdrawal is what happens when they cannot just keep expanding the battlefronts – perhaps with the Ukraine front opening the realization was that they had to get out of central Asia – fast as the Ukraine was deemed more important.
All of these battle fronts are less important than the ECONOMIC WAR taking place – this is were the collective WEST will do or die. A surge on the land war is just a distraction to keep an ‘idea’, ’cause’, ‘distraction’ alive.
Foreigners dying on remote battle fronts and small chunks of land changing hands preoccupies people while the ECONOMIC BATTLE is where the real action is taking place.

Posted by: James Cook | Sep 9 2022 14:50 utc | 159

Give the situation a few days. Time will tell. Russia, it seems to me, is holding a lot of fire power in reserve. A real lot. Belarus hasn’t been involved directly in Ukraine either. At least not ground troops. It seems that Russia expects a much larger war. I expect a much larger war. Why? This fight is for survival. Multi polarity over uni polarity. This war will change the world. Just my humble opinion.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 9 2022 14:52 utc | 160

That Izium was known to be inadequately defended and supplied from the very beginning has been a constant thread in the conversation. It always seemed to me, an armchair lieutenant as an accident waiting to happen. Which is to say, it seems either gross incompetance or a trap as Dima said he suspects. Worst case scenario IMO is simply a longer and more dangerous war.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 9 2022 14:53 utc | 161

Photo of Ukrainian Soldiers at Kupyansk entrance yesterday. Many are expecting the UKR’s to secure that town and its road network, railyards and bridges soon. . .here. . .The capture of Kupyansk in the next 72 hours, according to Kyiv, would severely degrade Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2022 14:58 utc | 162

@ Posted by: Hannibal | Sep 9 2022 13:05 utc | 106
Being cautious has its risks.
Going slow has a cost.
In an ideal world (maybe), Putin would wave his hand and it would be done. It has been noted that Ukraine is a large area and has a large military force.
Basically, there are no easy answers.

Posted by: jared | Sep 9 2022 15:00 utc | 163

“the SMO is already a disaster.”
ZX

The same people (same organizations) that gave us 9/11 have been operating in Ukraine since 2014. Don’t you admire their “learning abilities” manifested in the disposal of Elie Wiesel/Otto Frank’s profitable fables and entering into profitable cooperation with Banderites (self-proclaimed Nazis)? The Jewish Lobby is firmly on the side of followers of Stepan Bandera. The Kagans’ clan and the Jewish State have been blissfully OK with the annual celebrations of Stepan Bandera in Ukraine and Canada. The Looters will never stop on their own.
If you are still in the dark, the matter is about honor, decency, fairness, and other trifles that the mega-Usurers and mega-War profiteers have never been concerned about.

Posted by: Cerena | Sep 9 2022 15:02 utc | 164

Seems advancing towards Izyum was a relatively cheap way to get a pr-victory. Nothing has changed in this regard, things are done so the sugar daddy sends more “stuff and money”. If you look at other sectors of the front, grinding down with air, artillery continues as before. Yeah, it will take years, as the Donbass war has lasted years before it.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2022 15:02 utc | 165

In response to

b, you’re making at least three major assumptions:
1) that the Russians didn’t know about the planned offensive
2) didn’t prepare for it
3) are reacting viscerally, not cerebrally
If all three assumptions are correct, which I find virtually impossible to accept, then your criticisms are valid. Only then.
Posted by: pasha | Sep 9 2022 14:34 utc | 143

Agreed! The fog of war is thick but if the volume of newbie MoA barflys is any measure the Russian side still controls the narrative.
It is sad to read about all the death associated with this SMO but it is existential for Russia, and frankly, the rest of society as well, so it must proceed and escalate if necessary.
This is a civilization war with an active theatre in Ukraine and us 101st chairborne are playing the propaganda part….Go Russia!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 9 2022 15:03 utc | 166

The internet, and ‘internet time’, has rotted people’s brains. The (failed) Southern Ukrainian ‘offensive’ is a scant week old. The Northern ‘offensive’ is a few days old. Call me in a couple of weeks.
The Northern offensive is significantly closer to Russia’s border. It’s likely that the Russians saw the Ukrainians mass, and hastily began moving / assembling forces on their side of the border, but that they didn’t want to rush them into theater before the Ukrainian blow fell. War happens is physical space,involves actual humans, and adverse conditions. Being responsible in its prosecution appears slow to Twitter and Telegram warriors. Mistakes and accidents happen.
Like I said, call me in two weeks. I suspect the Ukrainians will have sacrificed a lot of lives, hardware, and ammo just to end up in even more dire straights than they were at the outset.

Posted by: Another James | Sep 9 2022 15:05 utc | 167

Only thing worse than Sunday gasheads of old (I haven’t watched TV in 25 years)
Is reading the comments of peeps who deem themselves strategists… of any kind (ever been in a group of fans watching their fav team … each one would have done it differently.)
Instant gratification isn’t just for toddlers or millenials, is it? Cell phones devolved bipedal homo sapiens sapiens to plain ol’ homo sapiens (For some anyway. Seems more than a few are on their way back to swinging in the trees.)
And it isn’t only Americans that have the attention span of a gnat.
Perhaps the economic front has a little bit to do with all this? (Attn Bernhard!) Perhaps RF is waiting for the Baltic Statelets to crash economically?
Be back later … rainy season begins in mid October … MacGreagor says RF will have it all in hand… Ukr conquered (EU busted, NATO exposed etc by then)

Posted by: crone | Sep 9 2022 15:06 utc | 168

Pat Bateman @ 40
You make the point well that the Russian incursion into the neighborhood of Kiev and a few other northern locations was to get the Ukies to come to the table and get down to some serious peace talks. That was the strategy. Then, on behalf of his masters of the Crown (not the late Queen, but the ruling behind the scenes Rottenchild crime clan) Boris Johnson had a little talk with PianoDick and the peace move was over, with Russian forces scooting out.
So then we have the uninformed types along with numerous coordinated trolls blathering and hollering about how Russia was forced to abandon the Kiev move. Some of the trolls appear to be thoroughly propagandized Ukies, while others apparently receive paychecks for their efforts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 9 2022 15:08 utc | 169

“there’s a reason Martyanov strongly advises against listening to anybody besides himself.”
Wow, is this serious? So this guy is God? He alone knows more than the entirety of humanity? I have no words, really…some people just want to blindly follow and worship someone…

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 9 2022 15:09 utc | 170

James Cook | Sep 9 2022 14:50 utc | 156
« « All of these battle fronts are less important than the ECONOMIC WAR taking place – this is were the collective WEST will do or die. A surge on the land war is just a distraction to keep an ‘idea’, ’cause’, ‘distraction’ alive.
Foreigners dying on remote battle fronts and small chunks of land changing hands preoccupies people while the ECONOMIC BATTLE is where the real action is taking place.
« «
This comment is a welcome relief from obsessive chairborne detail assessing from the comfort of Shangri Là – what can better be done is to welcome and support not only, or not especially, the economic war – because the EU US is doing all the work necessary to lose this on this front in record time – but to look at understand and contribute to the political and social (and economic) construction of a new world order
President Putin and many others have laid out the essentials of this, and there are increasingly detailed reports of actions and alliances being taken/put in place – in the rest of the world, so westies are not yet fully aware of what is happening –
It is necessary to escape the narrow prism of thinking and behaviour that has petrified the west over the last few generations but which has also infected much of the rest of the world
This is a liberation, first for the rest of the world, but if any resistance can be summoned up in the USEU, it is necessary that such can have learned from this current situation

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 9 2022 15:10 utc | 171

I remember back in june / july hearing the US reporting on a large Russian reserve force in Belgorad. I didn’t hear much about that since.
Then there was the “3rd corp” that on last report was headed south of Donetsk about a week ago.
Then 2 weeks ago we heard about a large air mobile strike force with hundreds of heavy lift helicopters and ground attack aircraft being deployed to Ukraine
Now we have the Ukrainian offensive and Russian forces are reported to be giving up towns without a fight and retreating on contact with the enemy.
last we have the Silverskyi Donetsk river that meanders it’s way around three sides of the Ukrainian salient with seven bridges all within range of Russian artillery.
I don’t have a crystal ball but considering Russia’s use of ‘maskirovka’ in previous wars I wonder if the plan is to destroy the Ukrainians in the salient then go for a deep operational encirclement west of the Donbas?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 9 2022 15:10 utc | 172

Arch Bungle @156: “If I am wrong, I shall cease to post on MoA for the next 6 months (… it’s become infested by idiots like Chessmaster anyhow).”
You won’t be going anywhere! And posters like the one you mentioned are just the information warfare side of the Ukropian offensive. They will be gone before the Allied mop up operations are over. Count on it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2022 15:11 utc | 173

Re: Posted by: mario1@yahoo.com | Sep 9 2022 11:28 utc | 51
Who is under-estimating their enemy?
The West is decadent, weak and decaying. There is no strength or fight in the West.
Russia is strong and ascendant.
Look what Russia did in Syria – they kicked the US butts and destroyed the US forces in Syria – forced to retreat and flee with their tails between their legs.
Look what Russia did in Ukraine – Russia destroyed the Ukrainian army and took control of a country the West wanted to try and damage Russia.
The Western defeat in Ukraine is a failure that will destroy the crumbling Western edifice.
I ask again – who is underestimating who? Certainly the Russians aren’t under-estimating anyone – just look at the arc of history over the last 20-30 years.
The West is in abject retreat whilst Russia & China roll out in strength.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 9 2022 15:12 utc | 174

This is all part of the Russian plan to encourage Blinken to further empty the weapons and ammo stockpiles into the Ukraine. They’re enjoying this, Nato weapons tickle them.

Posted by: Diederik | Sep 9 2022 15:13 utc | 175

ZX@42
You cite Biden and his handlers as profiting from the ongoing conflict. Biden is but a shell, a mouthpiece. His handlers are aware that the WarDefense Industry, owned by the biggest financiers around, are profiting greatly from the conflict. Thus, those handlers determine that as the only viable production industry in the U$$A, those profits are paramount to what they like to call “national security” for the finanancier security state. The other shotcallers are the biggies in the petroleum industry. Their bottom lines are soaring. Curiously, those financial interests and the WarDefense ones are made up of the same Cabalistas who rule from their central bankster institutions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 9 2022 15:15 utc | 176

Posted by: js | Sep 9 2022 10:33 utc | 25
“Martyanov sticks to his message whatever happens.” >> That’s usually the tell of a propagandist.
I am familiar enough with Martyanov’s ramblings about Grand Strategy and the multiple comparisons between the West and Russia, and in most cases it makes sense even though he is VERY full of himself, but in this case Dima’s Military Analysis fills another niche: day-to-day facts-on-the-ground analysis, which Martyanov does not provide.
You may not like that facts on the ground change very quickly from one day to another, but Dima does acknowledge every time that he only uses public sources and is not “in the know”. And in fact, nobody does, not even Martyanov.
What I also find refreshing in Dima’s approach is that he is not dogmatic or particularly “patriotic” in his briefing, although you can clearly hear his pride when Russia liberates a new town and panic when there are counter-moves. He keeps his tone clear of “passion” one way or another, and was one of the first (IIRC) to appreciate Ukie defenses around Avdeevka when everyone was still saying that freeing Donetsk from shelling was just “one little push away”.

Posted by: Lemming | Sep 9 2022 15:15 utc | 177

Scott Ritter has posted a balanced analysis on his telegram channel.

Posted by: jared | Sep 9 2022 15:16 utc | 178

Ow wow, looks like this counter-offensive is coming with a full-blown troll-offensive… so many unknown names.

Posted by: Zet | Sep 9 2022 15:18 utc | 179

Blame it on NATO here. Also there are indications that the seriously under-equipped Russian regional forces, stretched by six months of sacrifice, are refusing to be cannon fodder for Russia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 9 2022 15:19 utc | 180

It will be interesting to note if the advance by the Ukrainian forces is due to the possibility of Nato troops dressed as Ukrainian troops being involved, and the use of more modern weapons provided by the West. Closing the back door would seem the most logical route for the RF cutting off the supply route, and isolating the Ukrainian forces.
However, hostilities might just have stepped up a gear.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 9 2022 15:22 utc | 181

Look what Russia did in Syria – they kicked the US butts and destroyed the US forces in Syria – forced to retreat and flee with their tails between their legs.

Wut? The U.S. military controls the Syrian oil fields. And they’ll be controlling Russian oil fields in 5 years (and Russia split up). The lack of cheap energy in West has been an object lesson for all. They will see to it Russia is never again in a position to effect the lifestyle and economy of the West.

Posted by: Citizen X | Sep 9 2022 15:22 utc | 182

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Sep 9 2022 13:57 utc | 129
So true!
Posted by: Sam | Sep 9 2022 14:00 utc | 132
As well!

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 9 2022 15:23 utc | 183

Won’t hazard a guess whether this is a “trap”. But, the merest NATO “success” will politically weaken any Western strategists who advocate in favor of cutting further NATO losses, to the advantage of the most belligerent strategists.
Whether you see that as “good” or “bad” for NATO in the long run depends on your expectations regarding the eventual outcome.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 9 2022 15:25 utc | 184

myself @ 150
Looked into it a bit more and it seems the M101 howitzer was created by Army Ordnance Department in the 1920s based on designs of captured WW1 German howitzers. So these are basically guns more than a century old.
Previously we had seen genuine Maxim guns (late 19th century from memory) in use by Ukrainian army. When I first saw those photos and videos the presumption was these were stage props for some obscure PR operation that did not quite make sense. But that was not a stunt and was as real as anything else about this war.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2022 15:28 utc | 185

Earlier in the posts, and not only myself, I used the phrase, “like flies to honey.”
It seems to have done its work… Well done 👍

Posted by: donten | Sep 9 2022 15:31 utc | 186

It looks like NATO is trying to get some sort of “victory” under their belts before the winter turns the entire population of Europe against them. Even if the Russians can’t capitalize well on this salient, it all has a flavor of “too little, too late”. Desperation measures.
How many bridges need to be taken out to leave these Ukies high and dry? How long would that take?

Posted by: PJ | Sep 9 2022 15:38 utc | 187

@tobi999 135
It is interesting to note that the initial RF troops holding the threatened villages/towns were from the Lugansk militia i.e. they were not first line combat troops. And when the UAF forces advance into the apparently feebly defended territory then the weaker troops are gone and the Ukies face strong combat forces: 60th Specialized Motorized Rifle Brigade “Veterans” + attached forces, Wagner PMC, plus uninterrupted aviation attacks.
This really looks like a setup – and IMO the UAF will sustain large losses.

Posted by: Question Mark | Sep 9 2022 15:38 utc | 188

Dima is a YouTube blogger who scrolls around his maps in a dizzying fashion like a kid needing Ritalin.
His military experience is nyet.
I trust the RF will close this salient with regular army reinforcements in the coming days.
The lack of airpower for the Ukies will be the weakness of this counter offensive. That and the arrival of airpower, TOS and other counter battery equipment will be the end of this western glorified operation.

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Sep 9 2022 15:39 utc | 189

War is for the money in it, so the two sides must have decided a break thru was worth another multi billion $’s or much much more, who cares about the cannon fodder – have sex, make more bodies for slaughter, party on

Posted by: sadness | Sep 9 2022 15:39 utc | 190

Scott Ritter has posted a balanced analysis on his telegram channel.
Posted by: jared
Can you sum it up, please?

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 9 2022 15:39 utc | 191

If you didn’t bother reading the whole referenced article , you may learn something of perception and reality.
Have a good day.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 9 2022 13:52 utc | 128

One of the reasons I like b’s blog is that he reports things as they are and for the most part avoids similies, metaphors, allegories or other rhetorical tricks to “explain” things.
Geopolitics is nothing like sports. There is no defined start and end. That is reality.
If you believe the comparison to a single sporting event helps you understand this war, go for it. I prefer to understand it for what it is, not what it is like.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 9 2022 15:41 utc | 192

@epoddubny at 16:24 local time
Our group returned to Kupyansk from the landing point of the Mi-26, with which the Ministry of Defense has been transferring reserves all day.
The main enemy forces are located 8-9 km from the city. They inflict massive fire on Kupyansk.
The units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine seek to surround the Russian group in Izyum. To do this, the mobile groups of the Kiev regime went to the Oskol River over rough terrain in the Senkovo area. South of Izyum, the enemy also increased activity. Kupyansk is ready for defense, despite the massive fire impact of the regime formations. I contacted Izyum, they also fully own the situation there. They are doing everything possible and impossible to eliminate the threat of encirclement. The aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, army and assault. Reserves have been coming to us since yesterday. By air and by land.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 15:41 utc | 193

Key variable is how the shoulders of the salient hold.
If the shoulders hold for 3-5 days, then Kiev‘s units are toast. On the other hand, if the shoulders are pushed back however slightly, then Kiev could be successful.
TBD

Posted by: Exile | Sep 9 2022 15:46 utc | 194

@Zakhar Prilepin
A voice from the other side…
In the morning it was like this:
Now we have a huge superiority in manpower. I hope that the command of the UAF will not repeat the “exploits” of the marshals of the USSR and waste us like meat. So far, this has not been noticed.
The lads from the brigade are discreetly rejoicing at the successes of our twin brothers in the Izyum direction. The mood is good. We are waiting for the opportunity to show ourselves.
It seems that a turning point has come in the war.
A little later:
To be honest, we have a lot of losses. But this is normal, we are advancing. It just needs to be done, to expel the enemy. All the lads are heroes, both alive and dead.
The brother-in-law got in touch, said that they were near Kupyansk, but had to retreat abruptly. Something went wrong. He says the Russians hit from all sides.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 15:48 utc | 195

Battle of the Bulge (Slight Return)

Posted by: Wilikins | Sep 9 2022 15:50 utc | 196

Ukraine Flies the Polish and NATO Flags
If this post’s picture is accurate, I would posit that this Izium operation has a lot of Polish & “NATO” mercenaries integrated with the Ukrainian forces, could Russian strategy to send as many Polish & “NATO” body bags back west as possible?

Posted by: Eric Blair | Sep 9 2022 15:54 utc | 197

What is a Mi-26?
As of 2016, the Mi-26 still holds the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale world record for the greatest mass lifted by a helicopter to 2,000 metres (6,562 ft) – 56,768.8 kilograms (125,000 lb) on a flight in 1982.[9]
In 1996, an Mi-26 set a Guinness World Record by transporting the largest group of skydivers in history – 224 people, who parachuted from the helicopter in flight.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 9 2022 15:55 utc | 198

UN Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner will publish a report this month and has held a press briefing:

We have documented a range of violations against prisoners of war. We have been granted unimpeded access to places of internment and detention in territory controlled by the Government of Ukraine. However, the Russian Federation has not provided access to prisoners of war held on its territory or in territory under its occupation, including areas controlled by its armed forces and affiliated armed groups.
This is all the more worrying since we have documented that prisoners of war in the power of the Russian Federation and held by the Russian Federation’s armed forces or by affiliated armed groups have suffered torture and ill-treatment, and in some places of detention lack adequate food, water, healthcare and sanitation.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2022/09/press-briefing-situation-ukraine-matilda-bogner

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 9 2022 15:57 utc | 199

think Russia should start using nuclear weapons.
Posted by: mario1 | Sep 9 2022 11:29 utc | 52
Sick. That’s the only word coming to my mind.

Posted by: RB | Sep 9 2022 15:58 utc | 200