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September 21, 2022
Russia Announces Partial Mobilization

Updated below (8:45 UTC)

The expected TV speech by the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, advertised for yesterday evening, did happen only this morning.

Putin announced a partial mobilization of military reserves:

Only citizens who are currently in the reserve and, above all, those who served in the ranks of the Armed Forces, have certain military specialties and relevant experience will be subject to conscription for military service.

Those called up for military service before being sent to the units will necessarily undergo additional military training taking into account the experience of a special military operation.

Additionally all military service contracts currently in force (usually 3 to 12 months) are extended indefinitely.

Putin said that the current conflict was instigated by the West, noting that the Western countries seek the destruction and disintegration of Russia. He said that the West had been supporting international terrorists, promoted the infrastructure of the NATO offensive close to Russia's borders and fostered Russophobia.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said (video, Sputnik report) that 300,000 reservist will be mobilized. Conscripts and people currently studying will not be send to Ukraine.

He also said that, so far, 5,937 Russian soldiers have died during the war in Ukraine. (This number does not include the militia of the DPR and LPR, or the Wagner group, who have done most of the frontline work and thus have had higher losses.) Shoigu puts Ukrainian losses at some 62,000 killed and some 50,000 wounded. (I regard this as a low estimate.)

Russia's total military reserve, people who have previously gone through military training, is 25 million. It also has the equipment to arm those forces.

There are rumors that the Ukraine is preparing for an all out offensive, mobilizing and preparing new units from Kiev and further west for one big push against the Russian and allied forces. It will take a few months to prepare for this. The Ukraine will need much more equipment and ammunition from the 'west', including 'western' tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, and has yet to train troops to be able to use it. It is likely intending to start the offensive only in spring.

The call up Russia announced now may have the intent to draw Kiev into a premature launch of its general offensive. The mobilized Russian troops will take about three months to be ready for war. Russia could thus launch its own offensive during the winter season. In the meantime constant defensive work will continue to severely degrade the Ukrainian units which are currently on or near the frontlines.

With a force of an additional 300,000 troops, far beyond the 100,000 to 150,000 engaged now in the war, the Russia forces could change their tactics from the slow grind that is happening now into a larger scale maneuver war with heavy strikes into the operational depth of the Ukrainian army.

Belarus, allied with the Russian Federation, is also in the process of getting ready for war. It could, as it had threatened before, cut of the supply lines from the 'west' into the Ukraine in the western part of that country.

Should current Ukrainian attacks on civilians and infrastructure in Russia and the Donbas regions continue, we can expect that the Russian forces will start to degrade Ukrainian infrastructure on a large scale. The electricity and railway networks would be the primary targets.

Update:

Some two weeks ago a successful Ukrainian offensive led to the retreat of Russian troops in the Kharkov region. That at least is the 'western' version of that story. A different narrative is that the Russian troops intentionally withdrew from the region to raise Russian calls for an escalation of the war.  The Izium withdrawal was thus probably a mere catalyst for 'starting in earnest':

The Russian public, which at first did not fully understand why the war was necessary, has since grown in its awareness. It now understands the big game that is played against its country. It may soon demand to adjust the level of resources put into the war to the one needed for a decisive victory. Polls will clarify if or when that point is reached.

That is why Dima concludes that: "We can say that today was the best ever [..] day for the Russians in the territory of Ukraine."

It is now probably assured that they will be liberated. One way or another.

I also believe that the withdrawal from the Izium region, which left behind a significant number of pro-Russian civilians under deadly threats from fascist 'filtration' groups, will be the catalyst for a significant escalation on the Russian side.

Finally the gloves are coming off.

Update:

Yves Smith just published an English version of Putin's speech and the decree on mobilization:

Below is the Russian transcript of Putin’s morning speech announcing a partial mobilization of Russia starting September 21. There is apparently not an official English translation up yet, and in any event, the Kremlin site is blocked in the US (which it hasn’t been since early in the Special Military Operation) and even to friendly VPN users in some countries in Asia. So we are also posting a machine translation and will replace it with an official English translation when one becomes available.

We are also posting an English version of the mobilization order, which here and apparently in the original Russian has Item 7 missing. You can theoretically find the order here: http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69391.

As you can see, Putin refines and extends his critique of the “collective West” and its campaign to preserve the unipolar order at the expense of the Global South, and its campaign against Russia. Towards the end, Putin states: …

Comments

@193
1) There are no NATO troops in Ukraine. NATO (and Russia) know the rules. No NATO direct involvement unless you attack NATO. Everything else is fair game.
2) This is just nonsense. The idea that Ukraine is one giant fascist camp, or full of US bio-labs, I mean what idiot builds a bio-lab in Ukraine with the risk of it being overrun by opposing troops? There are a million remote places you can build them, but no, let’s build it within a days marching distance of the Russian border.
3) Whatever.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:35 utc | 201

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 14:26 utc | 157
The only one threatening the world with nuclear weapons right now is Russia.
Are you certain of this assertion? Does it represent fact or ill-informed and naive belief?
The RF nuclear doctrine is as follows:
The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies, and also in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation involving the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is under threat.
SOURCE:
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-nonstrategic-nuclear-weapons-and-its-views-limited-nuclear-war/
The UK doctrine is similar and is described here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975077/Global_Britain_in_a_Competitive_Age-_the_Integrated_Review_of_Security__Defence__Development_and_Foreign_Policy.pdf
And reviewed here:
https://warontherocks.com/2021/04/u-k-nuclear-weapons-beyond-the-numbers/
You may wish to inform yourself of the exact position of your government and determine if it is consistent with what you believe it to be.
Russia lost an estimated 27 million lives in WWII largely due to the End of the ‘low, dishonest decade’: Failure of the Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance in 1939
SOURCE:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09668139308412091
Those Russian lives were lost defeating the Nazis; people espousing the same ideology now control the government of 404 and have engaged in genocidal atrocities since 2014. Your government is training them, supplying them with arms, and £4.6 billion which is considerably more than it is investing in the NHS.
You claim to be a citizen of the UK. Are you committed to supporting Nazis?
If you answer yes this will greatly clarify your risk of nuclear immolation.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 21 2022 15:36 utc | 202

Only when wars become unpopular, the english stop taking credit for that and let blame be placed on Jews. and stupid people including hitler blamed jews while it was all along the english parasites who l destabilise, plot and run the war (but those cowards do not fight in beginning-they come late to feast on already weakened enemy of the day.).
Posted by: Sam | Sep 21 2022 15:15 utc | 187

The Rothschild clan had branches inside England and Germany and were the heads of the global Zionist movement at the time of both WW1 and WW2.
It is a demonstrable historical fact that they told Britain not to accept the German offer of peace in 1916 on the basis that they would bring in the US to win the the war. They got their desired chunk of British Occupied Palestine in return in 1917 (Balfour Declaration).
The Germans of 1920-30s were correct to blame the Zionists who destroyed their country. The only problem was that the perpetrators at the top of the pyramid were not the ones punished.
Without the ridiculous one-sided treaties at the end of WW1 there would have been no WW2

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 21 2022 15:39 utc | 203

Posted by: Ct | Sep 21 2022 15:28 utc | 197
“Russia offers to africa 300000 tons? Of fertilizer for Free. Also wheat.
Does that count as concern?”
Well, in the context I was asking about, no.
It does not show Russia listening to African opinions ans acting accordingly.
Also, isn’t that fertilizer they can’t sell? So not such a heroic gesture,
although of course much appreciated by those receiving it. If and when they receive it.
Posted by: Ranelagh | Sep 21 2022 15:28 utc | 198
“Stop being a dick.”
I yam what I yam 🙂

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 21 2022 15:40 utc | 204

I’m late, but I’ve published the translation and linked to the Decree and its Russian language PDF version that has point #7, which is only one very short sentence that I explain in my sidebar note. I included no commentary.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 15:41 utc | 205

Putin should address the global public – explaining the circumstances and his postion. It should not rely many references to ww2 or even recent history as the global public has no or distorted understanding of these events. It is enough to discuss the situation in context of the present. He is not equipped to write it (as erudite as he is) – he needs a translation to common understanding, not a literal translation.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2022 15:43 utc | 206

Told tou, SMO is dead.
But keep in mind that with the (self-inflicted by moscow’s neoloberal class of the Yeltsin era) defeat in Kharkov, multiple russian oblasts are under threat. It adds another 1000 km of borders to defend! A large part of this semi-war effort, semi-revamped SMO will be dedicated to the defense of russian territory.
Political economy, complexity and a bureaucratic state devastated by decades of capitalist cuts and sabotage, all that imposes severe limits on Ukraine and… Russia!
For example, the russian mil does not have up to date lists of the reserves, mecanisms for mobilisation are said to be outdated, they will succeed but it may take more time and may be quite chaotic.
As for transformation from a peace economy to a war economy this is NOT communist soviet union. Just look at the lack of young engineering skilled worforce in russia and the average salary for an engineer versus cost of living in main russian cities. It is abject, specially compared to what a corporate lawyer or a banker will make.
Maybe this war by NATO evil imperialism will force a socio-economic redustribution inside Russia…
Meanwhile the Kremlin and MOD carefully avoid to talk about the objectives of denazification and demilitarization of the whole “Ukraine” territory. But it cannot be avoided or later on, the euro-US barbarians will use it as a a base for more war, and more ballistic missiles on the western and south-western frontier.
May Russia prevail and may Iran and China provide as much help as possible…

Posted by: Kareem | Sep 21 2022 15:43 utc | 207

@192 It’s okay, I don’t feel targeted! 🙂
And yes, Russia can sink them. Poland can invite them, the US can sail them and Russia can respond as it sees fit. Not saying it would be a great idea, but they can do so.
There is a nation (et al) involved in the Ukraine conflict which has shown a pattern of seeking to undermine and impose will on others – would that be Russia?
I think pouring 200k troops across the Ukrainian border would be classed by any fair minded observer as seeking ‘to impose its will.’ When the US invades a country it is seeking to impose its will. It is pretty much the entire point of a military invasion.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:44 utc | 208

There was a time Europe had political parties that were anti-NATO. We were safer then, and a variety of opinions kept the ideologues in check. That’s all gone, we are dominated by a single polity that spouts NATO talking points. This “shoulder to shoulder” nonsense is way more dangerous. Last time Europe was united against Russia was 1941.
I can’t see the SMO changing things, but I’m not alone in wanting to see political parties in Europe that speak up for peace and détente and not continuous posturing.

Posted by: Jeremn | Sep 21 2022 15:45 utc | 209

I saw a sign on side of city bus (US), advising what to do in the event of a “radiation event” or some such thing – stay inside, etc.
The city is a relatively poor one, so I take it that they will terrorize the gullible, first.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2022 15:47 utc | 210

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 15:41 utc | 205
The English Kremlin official version has been up for a couple of hours:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69390

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 21 2022 15:49 utc | 211

They must inject amphetamines straight into Biden’s eyes.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2022 15:17 utc | 188
The last five minutes he really earned his ‘Sleepy Joe’ moniker almost dozing off whilst reading the teleprompter. But the first part was very forceful: Russia Bad! Russia Bad! Russia Bad!
The West is in a very strange place….

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 15:51 utc | 212

@ migueljose | Sep 21 2022 11:01 utc | 70
“My advice, Rudi is the same as S. Stay home and fight. Mexicans don’t want you or me, nor does anyone else in the global south.”
That is good advice. All these Americans or Westerners debating about what country to flee to are evocative of the phrase: Rats Deserting the Ship.
They presumptuously assume that other nations–particularly in the non-Western world/Global South–would want these fleeing expats flooding into their nations in the first place. Talk about arrogance.
American and Western expats or immigrants should be treated in the same way that their own nations have dealt with “illegal immigrants,” migrants, or refugees from the Global South.
What goes around, comes around.
As Donald Trump once said: Build that Wall! (and put their kids in cages) 😉

Posted by: ak74 | Sep 21 2022 15:52 utc | 213

Perhaps you could explain the peaceful motives behind the violent coup in Kiev in 2014 and the subsequent invasion of the Donbas, with all its accompanying atrocities, to complete the violent overthrow of the elected government and to prevent the elections scheduled to take place weeks later?
That’s called plausible deniability and a successfully implemented Propaganda and Public Relations campaign.
Whereas a “partial mobilization” is like being half pregnant. It’s got the PR impact of a lead balloon.
And what were “the gloves doing on” in the first place, if you’re supposed to be fighting for your very survival against the psychotic megalomaniacs of the USA?
Because they are psychotic, totally delusional, and fear no one. Utterly untrustworthy, compulsive liars and totally out of control.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 21 2022 15:53 utc | 214

@ Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:44 utc | 208
Yes, Tom you are of course correct that Russia is imposing its will in this case. But it is relevant to point out what caused this action. To eliminate or obscure that point is misleading.
I was referring to a country with a well recognizable pattern of imposing its will – a pattern tending to confirm the suspicion/hypothesis.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2022 15:55 utc | 215

@212 Narrative sells. Putin rambles on about some historical legacy dated from the 1500’s, which everyone pretty much tunes out, where as Biden it is a straightforward fight between good and evil…
… “this war is about extinguishing Ukraine’s right to exist as a state, plain and simple. And Ukraine’s right to exist as a people. Whoever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, that should make your blood run cold.”
It’s simple. It’s effective. It works.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:56 utc | 216

“I mean what idiot builds a bio-lab in Ukraine?”. – Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:35 utc | 201

“Let me ask you, does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?” – Senator Marco Rubio
There are biological research laboratories in Ukraine. We are currently concerned that the Russian militants may take control of them. We are working with the Ukrainian side to ensure that the materials of biological research do not fall into the hands of Russian forces”. – Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5005520/senator-rubio-questions-undersecretary-nuland-biolabs-ukraine

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 21 2022 15:56 utc | 217

And as always, what fits will be reported, or it will be made to fit! At least in Germany !
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You are forgetting one thing and NO reporter/politician/retirement home general says so!!!
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These 300,000 will be given contract status, please listen carefully to Putin’s statement! Even if our media NEVER say so!
Contract Jams ‼
To interpret this partial mobilization as a weakness is probably lying to yourself, which is supposed to calm US YOU down, or politicians themselves because they want or want to believe in their own narrative?
Russia has far more soldiers under arms than these 300,000!
Without a contract status, these may not be used abroad (which these areas STILL are).
Reminder : Putin conducted 3 maneuvers with thousands of soldiers and technology domestically during ongoing SMO !!
Russia has about 850,000 soldiers permanently active ‼
WHY DID NO ONE MENTION THIS IN THE WEST ❓
So what happens after these referendums is another question, as Russia has many fronts to cover. Also thanks to NATO, which is providing appropriate reactions in these neighboring countries, the reason for this may be Russian forces to split. In the hope that these will not be used as a mass!
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Don’t believe everything that the media and politicians say in such a tense situation…. what “YOU” have to do!
Be it to encourage yourself or your population?
Ridiculously ridiculing Putin with his last sentence ” This is not a bluff ” should tell anyone with an IQ over 35 enough about what is actually being thought behind the scenes !
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To describe it as a weakness in the media…Man oh man
Scholz interprets it as a “weakness” …. to persuade yourself that SO well, it takes imagination and the courage to lie to the appropriate degree!
With 850,000 soldiers on active duty in Russia, MIT weapons and equipment !!
How much would NATO have, let alone the Bundeswehr, how many soldiers would NATO have in Europe / without the USA having to empty its bases worldwide ❓
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The 3 Reichs and what it was before the exitus should be an example for Germans in particular… what such reports actually meant!
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Governments in all political systems have NEVER done one thing… told their people (voters) the truth, who can name a government that has done this once in history…please report!
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Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 21 2022 15:56 utc | 218

what idiot builds a bio-lab in Ukraine …?
Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:35 utc | 201
Um, so Tom, you don’t yet know that Americans are idiots. Especially the military, the intel services and their politicians.
Seriously? OMG. How much more evidence could you possibly need?

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 21 2022 15:57 utc | 219

Bevin@170
Thanks for the researched insights on the kerfuffle in Central Asia. It segues well into my suspicions this morning when I read a bit about that situation. The question ever is “Cui Bono”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 15:58 utc | 220

Membrum Virile | Sep 21 2022 15:20 utc | 189
Read up on Lavrov’s recent tour in Africa, Kremlin sites will give the basics – especially details concerning his visit to Congo Brazza where he was greeted with a bear hug in fluent Russian by the Foreign Minister, security pact with Cameroon, Uganda ; RF aid to create currencies based on commodity prices to free Africa from euro strangle and dollarisation – that’s just sub saharan, close ties with Algeria and Egypts strengthened and …etc etc
Lavrov in Egypt
« Question: What can you say about the preparations for the second Russia–Africa Summit?
Sergey Lavrov: There is an understanding that it will take place in the middle of next year. Recently, by decision of the President of the Russian Federation, an Organizing Committee was established, which will soon begin work in close contact with our African colleagues.
During this African tour, we will visit Addis Ababa. A meeting with the leadership of the African Union is planned, during which we will agree on the main directions of the preparatory work. President of Senegal Michael Sall, who is now heading the AU, visited Moscow in early June this year. During his meeting with President of Russia Vladimir Putin, this topic was touched upon, and a common strategic understanding was reached in which direction it is necessary to work. It implies the creation of several preparatory groups on selected issues on the agenda of the forthcoming summit (trade, investment, development of natural resources, energy, food, security, humanitarian, cultural and educational cooperation), in addition to international issues, which will be devoted to the need to contribute to solving the problems of conflict resolution on the African continent. »
https://thecradle.co/Article/Analysis/13716

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 16:03 utc | 221

Do i needto listen to brandon?
The lasttime i did i had to check because i thought i was watching one of those “the third reich in color” dokumentories.

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 21 2022 16:03 utc | 222

“where as Biden it is a straightforward fight between good and evil…”
Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:56 utc | 216
Biden couldn’t have put it better Tom.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 21 2022 16:04 utc | 223

I would assume that the extra troops will be guarding the pro-Russian populations so that they will never again be terrorized by the Nazis.
I remember during the initial roll-in by the Russians they stopped in some city (Kherson?) and the mayor welcomed them, so the main force moved on, leaving 50 soldiers. That night the Nazis broke in and killed the soldiers.
Then there was Bucha. Now there is Kharkov.
No more!

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 21 2022 16:05 utc | 224

We chose liberty says Brandon, and freedom fries, at the UN.
The United States of Clichés.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 21 2022 16:06 utc | 225

Man, the world didn’t make such a fuss when the US regularly performed partial mobilizations to send reserves and national guard troops into combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the same thing.
What’s important here is that Russia publicly recognized that the west is waging war on Russia. Russia tried to keep the SMO a relatively low intensity (especially in terms of infrastructure) proxy war of local/regional character. The West refused and escalated. The West continues to escalate on the ground in Ukraine and is essentially “all in”. Russia has little choice given that western support and operations in Ukraine cost Russian lives and do impact the pace and goals of Russia’s operation. For the Yenwodas and similar, of course Ukraine has the right to seek outside assistance and it’s the same as Russia’s right to take the next step to achieve its goals.
It always returns to the fact that the west could have solved this whole issue by implementing Minsk which would have given Donbas less federalist autonomy than Quebec. It was a reasonable solution where the most “cost” fell on the residents of Donbas and politically for Putin. That wasn’t good enough because the US demands that Russia be conquered, subjugated and broken up. There’s no secret about it, the US publishes DoD commissioned studies about it, recently held conferences about it, and political leadership speak openly about it. Ukraine doesn’t matter to anyone in DC, Ukraine is a tool to attack Russia. That’s all Ukraine will ever be. If it was anything else, the US would have attempted to actually develop the country sometime in the last 30 years. So now Russia recognizes and feels ready to confront the US’s desire to destroy Russia.
It will become truly WWIII unless the US comes to its senses and recognizes that Russia is a sovereign nation and that the United States does not, in fact, rule the globe. That’s all it would take to defuse this, but it won’t happen because the US will ride its empire until the empire falls. A fate that’s kind of looking sooner rather than later at this point.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 21 2022 16:06 utc | 226

@karlof1 #205:

I’m late, but I’ve published the translation and linked to the Decree and its Russian language PDF version that has point #7, which is only one very short sentence that I explain in my sidebar note.

Point 7’s “для служебного пользования” means “for internal use” or “classified”, i.e., point 7 is secret.

Posted by: S | Sep 21 2022 16:09 utc | 227

I live in the midwestern part of the US. My standard of living is already deteriorating. Prices through the roof. I expected this. I expect much worse to come. Including total collapse of the West. All Western countries are ruled by anti Western governments. I look forward to the collapse. And the struggle. Then the new beginning.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 21 2022 16:09 utc | 228

Why do so many here give Tom-Tit the time of day? He’s a twisted empty vessel, the kind who make most sound and who’d squeal like a piglet at the first sign of aggression.
America/NATO are the largest supporter/sponsor by miles of ‘proxy terrorism’. Clandestine operators who hide in the shadows, in burrows like moles, in civilian rat-holes, up ladies (and some faggots) skirts, always in the background while their Neocon-Zionist overlords get to work drafting/planning updated Brezinski colour revolutions. Just look/listen to US-ZATO mouthpieces, it’s embarrassing.
Russia, for whatever reason always seem to underestimate their own strength/power. For example, those US-NATO command centres in Kiev/Lviv should have been levelled to the ground around the same time they destroyed the NATO training base near the Polish border.
Russia, Americans especially are ALL BLUFF and bluster, cowardly bastards who’ll bolt like a startled horse when you show up, leaving the punch-drunk EuroSAPS to face the music. Starve The Beast

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 21 2022 16:09 utc | 229

Ct@197
BINGO!

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:10 utc | 230

better than a full declaration of war…better to have 300,000 extra troops and not need them than need them and not have them. () i’m surprised that belarus hasn’t been more involved already (that i know of, anyway.) you’d think almost getting color revolutioned would have lessened their concern about western approval. i’m still guessing calling it an official “war” will just give the screeching western concern trolls more cover to officially join the war (instead of having their spooks and mercs slink around in the shadows). hooray for semantics.
still not sure why the tactic of “blow stuff up as soon as it crosses the border” can’t suffice for the new western “game changers” but it is a big ass “country”. as for the ukies, “attack russia in the winter” has always worked SO well in the past and i’m sure they’ll be glad they tried. kinda seems like both sides are just straight up impatient at this point.

Posted by: the pair | Sep 21 2022 16:14 utc | 231

M.V.@204
Time for you to take up piano lessons. You might become tangentially famous, echoing the famous PianoDickTater in Kiefff.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:14 utc | 232

Narrative sells. Putin rambles on about some historical legacy dated from the 1500’s, which everyone pretty much tunes out, where as Biden it is a straightforward fight between good and evil…
…It’s simple. It’s effective. It works. – Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:56 utc | 216

It works on you and anyone else wanting to believe the simpleminded narrative. That much is true.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 21 2022 16:15 utc | 233

the US will ride its empire until the empire falls.
Posted by: Lex | Sep 21 2022 16:06 utc | 226

What other choice does the US have? They are not going to default on $ debt voluntarily.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2022 16:15 utc | 234

@215 jared
The US imposed its will on Afghanistan following 9/11 – an attack on US soil. They argued they had justification. What followed was 20 years of abject failure, misery and death.
Justification is all well and good, but doesn’t necessarily excuse the subsequent actions.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 16:16 utc | 235

Fortunately, Troll Traffic on the second page declined to about 12%. Few realize that the mobilization consists of veterans who already have an MOS AND combat experience, both facts as per Shoigu.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 16:16 utc | 236

Doe anyone know if Lavrov and the Russian delegation got to the UN? I believe they eventually received visas but then there the problem of a Russian plane flying into the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2022 16:19 utc | 237

Kareem@207
IF Russia is a bit short on engineers, not probable, but possible, they may wish to import some of Iran’s plethora of those particular focused professionals. Now that Iran is a candidate member of the Eurasian coalition, extending to Brazil and South Africa as well; some solidarity would be in order. This would bring multipolarism right on down to the practical ground level. By importing Iran’s low-cost “suicide” drones, Russia has already demonstrated the correct course of cooperative action.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:19 utc | 238

No wonder kiev needs to utilise its women. Theyve had a severe battering over the 6 months. Heres Shoigu:
Shoigu indicated that the UAF lost about 50% of its personnel (over 100’000 soldiers out of a total potential of about 200’000). He also added that most of the Ukrainian weapons systems, which were of Soviet origin, was mostly destroyed. Russian KIAs are just under 6000 soldiers.

Posted by: Pete UK | Sep 21 2022 16:19 utc | 239

@WJ #179
You said

This can all be assumed from the get-go. The referendums WILL happen. Russia WILL accept them into federated union. They WILL be attacked–strike that: RUSSIA will be attacked. What will happen then?

Attached by whom, and with what?
If it is just attack by Ukraine, on the new Republics and/or Belgorod, even with long-ranged NATO weapons, I don’t see much changing w/ respect to the SMO. A few more troops – maybe going from 50K/100K AFR in Ukraine to double that. It would be more than enough to finish the job including taking Odessa.
The 300K reservists is not about the above. It is about Poland or some other idiotic yapping dog Eastern European nation doing something stupid. Not because these troops – even with what US troops that are in Europe actively helping them – can do, but because that would be effectively an all-out declaration of war by the West (as opposed to just economic war).
So no, still don’t see any gloves coming off.
I see armor and shields being reinforced and armory weapons being checked and readied just in case.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2022 16:24 utc | 240

lack of caffeine made me zone out on the referendums but those are also – probably – a massive factor as AA points out:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2022/09/21/ukraine-war-day-210-kherson-puts-on-weight-ukraine-gets-skinnier/
just as “donbass is kinda sorta russian now so say goodbye to your military” was how the SMO started i’m guessing votes to become russia followed by attacks on those voters will be the last straw for “the ukraine” on its path to being the tiny police state of banderastan.

Posted by: the pair | Sep 21 2022 16:25 utc | 241

Tommyrot@216
Ukraine DOES have a right to exist…within the boundaries of the handful of Oblasts in currently central Ukraine where the majority of the people speak that Texican-style argot of Polakized Russian.
They have NO right to maintain the Frankenstein Monster created by the Bolsheviks and Soviets, to add portions of other nations as an administrative measure to Ukraine SSR.
Let’s get real, Dude. Or would that compromise your MI6 paycheck?

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:26 utc | 242

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 16:03 utc | 221
Thank you, this is exactly what I was after.
Naturally I did get the expected insult as well because… I don’t know.
Maybe asking questions is wrong?

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 21 2022 16:30 utc | 243

Ukraine has zero fresh troops and zero effective units. Nothing will happen on the Ukrainian side unless there is an influx of NATO troops. How any significant number of those can be found, equipped, transported to front is a mystery. The sorts of troops NATO has sent so far are not that useful, just a little better than Ukrainian Territorial rabble. And the supply of those NATO/mercenary types is very limited.
When you have $80 Billion to blow (less 10% to the Big Guy) and Academii (Blackwater), you can assemble a good sized army of trained NATO soldiers. A lot of men do one tour for the money and benefits. If they have crappy jobs, they’ll sign up for a 6-fig deal. You can also visit the brigs and cut deals with active duty soldiers. They sheep dip, sign up with Academii, then get reinserted into their units after the contract.
Getting them into the country is easy, and they can take the train to near the front. Equipment is the challenge.

Posted by: JackG | Sep 21 2022 16:30 utc | 244

Listening to Putin’s frequent references to Nazis and neo-nazis made me suspect that the creation of those units – which we know was effected by Jewish Oligarch and CIA – was a deliberate ploy to gift Putin impactful talking points for ramping up military operations in Ukraine. To Western ears the accusation (though technically accurate) sounds like arcane (past-oriented) and untruthful propaganda but to Russian ears I imagine it heightens their sense of being in a huge existential struggle which in turn garners Putin the support he needs for so great an undertaking. Indeed, it seems that Putin has been seen as overly tentative, waiting too long so both the military and civilian sectors are now urging further commitment. A good position for a war time leader to be in.
Mistake by the West? Or deliberate set up?

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 16:30 utc | 245

S @227–
Thanks for that. I got for daily use; for everyday use.
On yesterday’s thread, I sent a few questions your way dealing with Russian public opinion on Donbass becoming Russian since I wasn’t able to find any polling on the topic. But Duma head said Duma is ready to approve whatever legislation’s required, it seems to me that public opinion is very favorable.
I noted in Shoigu’s interview that he was very careful to note students wouldn’t be called up, that the mobilization is only a small percentage of those reservists already with MOS and combat experience, of which the overall pool to draw from is 25 million, and that the mobilization occurs at a time when mobilization drills were already planned to occur. IMO, this all speaks to an orderliness a calmness, certainly not panic or desperation given those recalled will go through a reindoctrination and remedial training to get them up to speed. Then their deployment afterwards is professional, not hap-hazard.
But what’s your personal assessment? I’m sure I’m not the only one curious.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 16:31 utc | 246

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/17/zelensky-nato-ukraine-big-israel/“

Posted by: Ricketts | Sep 21 2022 16:33 utc | 247

@217 DocHollywood
My mistake. I should have clarified US bio-labs crafting anti-Russian viral loads carried by bats (or was it birds?) with all the data conveniently stored on a floppy disc and lying around waiting to be seized by Russian troops.
Because, when you have a few trillion dollars to spend on this sort of thing, setting it up 20 miles from the Russian border makes perfect sense. Ideally, you want it next to the giant fascist theme park, just so no one can miss it.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 16:34 utc | 248

I see armor and shields being reinforced and armory weapons being checked and readied just in case.
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2022 16:24 utc | 240
They will harden the 1,000 km front.
They will retaliate more against C&C centers in Ukraine, and also take down or jam satellites helping to coordinate attacks against Russian citizens, which people in Donbass and more are about to become.
So I think you are right it won’t expand much, but the response is about to go up a few levels now the RF military will be directly engaged which heretofore hasn’t quite been the case.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 16:34 utc | 249

@wtfud
If russia had ramped up to the levels you want, wouldn’t there be a big risk that it would have lost support from some of the key countries, like india.
İt is easy to solve one problem but solving many problems at önce simply takes longer. As it is russia has support from ROW, a strong legal basis, dominating on ekonomik front all with Just 10% of ukraine’s losses
Maybe with some fantasy war game you can run a perfect war but in reality russia has done a solid job and as a bonus accelerated the fall of the empire

Posted by: Ct | Sep 21 2022 16:35 utc | 250

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:35 utc | 201
You seem a little distracted, maybe because now you also have a pedophile king to think about…or maybe you know that the wicked yanks have scattered Eastern Europe with biological labs but you prefer to appear so naive.

Posted by: LuBa | Sep 21 2022 16:37 utc | 251

Gerrard White@221
It would appear that the African people, as reflected by their leadership, do not consider Russia as Neo-colonialists. As Russia already possesses significant land and resources, they have no need to leech less “developed” nations to slurp up their natural heritage.
Contrarily, in both the Francophonie and in former British colonies, neocolonialism runs amuck. In the former case, France was totally gung-ho to destroy Gaddhafi’s Libya, as that amazing leader had the cojones to establish a non-usurious gold and oil backed financial system for ALL of Africa.
That threatened both the Khazarian mafiosi Rottenchild Bank$ter control over African financial affairs as well as those of the Lazard Freres megabanking system. So even Sephardims like the Lazards are on-line with their fellow Khazarian Talmudists in monetary manipulation and monopolization.
African leaders know their own history under colonial control and domination. They have a far more realistic perspective on geopolitical situations than the vast majority of deliberately dumbed-down Westerners, living lives of cognitive dissonance in denial of any situation than remaining as loyal members of the herd as the comfortably numb.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:40 utc | 252

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMgmUk_n6ks
Macgregor’s take on latest. 2 mins.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 16:43 utc | 253

Thanks for the posting b
The deer in the headlights desperation exhibited by most of the new barflys passing through is palpable.
The distractions of the day in America are the Fed raising interest rates to fight the inflation demon and Brandon mumbling at the UN

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 21 2022 16:45 utc | 254

@242 aristodemos
The outcome of the Ukrainian borders will be defined by this conflict. I would argue that the people of the disputed regions also have a right to define their future once the conflict is over. Whether that is part of Ukraine, Russia or independent.
That future should not be determined during the conflict as it will have no legitimacy.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 16:46 utc | 255

Membrum Virile | Sep 21 2022 16:30 utc | 243
You were insulted for asking what is Africa to the RF ?
This can only have been one of the many westie trolls infesting this site as they infect the west – they like to consider that they’re the only guy in the game, and that Africa merely is the continent they ‘decolonised’ in their newspeak (which means divide and rule) as they wish to ‘decolonise’ the RF
These trolls wish to keep the narrow focus on the war in Ukraine, where any comment goes, to the exclusion of the RoW, where the RF and allies rapidly are gaining in allies partnerships and profits
Yet the USSR played an important role in the liberation of Africa, and is remembered to this day, both in SA, despite, most especially in the Congo basin, Uganda and other countries – it took PP a while to re adopt this USSR policy, one of those he had jettisoned, but it has been a constant in RF foreign policy for some years
Obviously given a giant boost by the war, the foolish US attempts to sanction and threaten A countries that continued to trade with RF (https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7311/text) : so that certain countries, until recently meekly submissive to the USEU boot have realised that the world has changed already for the better and that there is a general awareness that the resources of the continent can be better controlled to the benefit of the A – to leave it at that

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 16:46 utc | 256

@Passerby 23
This sounds like “fake news” to me. No government needs armies of fake “right-wing extremist” accounts for information gathering or any other purpose. They would only need to read the OMM (Oligarch Managed Media) or talk to the serfs they govern for that kind of material. That is because by far the majority of people living in the West today are simple-minded, dumbed-down right-wing extremists who would see Attila the Hun as a wilting socialist flower. A few exceptions gather at the MoonOfAlabama, an oasis for civilized discussion and analytic contemplation of information the right-wing extremists prefer to remain obscured by carefully positioned drapes. While the regulars tend to be the kind of people who prefer to know who is pulling the levers behind the curtains, and which levers are being tugged upon, nothing secret is discussed here, polite drop-ins are welcome, and the impolite and right wing extremists find it challenging to assuage their cognitive dissonance and so do not usually stay long. ;-,p

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 21 2022 16:46 utc | 257

@240 c1ue
Largely agree with this assessment.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 16:49 utc | 258

Mistake by the West? Or deliberate set up?
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 16:30 utc | 245

It has been my observation that all sides in a conflict attempt to disguise strategic blunders this way. Putin clearly says that the withdrawal of the Kyiv offensive column was in response to their early offer to negotiate. Yet many armchair strategists insist it was a feint, others that it was a ploy to encourage Zelensky to flee and get a quick surrender.
It seems to me that after seeing “the West” play Lucy Football with Minsk 1-2 that Putin would be very naive to ever trust them again.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 21 2022 16:49 utc | 259

I am most interested in how RU is going to address the use of NATO ISR, sattelites, ect. This issue is IMO the gorilla in the closet.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 21 2022 16:50 utc | 260

If you read Rand Corp documents about the upcoming wars with Russia and China you will see that the US plan has always been to keep the fighting Over There.
The US wants the fight with Russia to be fought on European soil, again, so that Europe and Russia will be devastated, again, and the US will be sitting pretty across the ocean, again, ready to sweep in and gather the spoils. Again.
So far it all seems to be going to plan.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 21 2022 16:51 utc | 261

@212 Narrative sells. Putin rambles on about some historical legacy dated from the 1500’s, which everyone pretty much tunes out, where as Biden it is a straightforward fight between good and evil…
… “this war is about extinguishing Ukraine’s right to exist as a state, plain and simple. And Ukraine’s right to exist as a people. Whoever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, that should make your blood run cold.”

Given you are a Brit…. Didn’t your country spend centuries extinguishing the Celts right to exist as a people??? To the point of starving them to death in the Potato famine??? Doesn’t your country hold dear events of 900 years ago culminating in the Magna Carta??
To the Russian people the events of their acquisition of Novorossia are as relevant today as your feeling WRT the Magna Carta.
Your government has made no secret of it’s intent to destroy Russia and to enslave the Russian people, and of it’s glee that ethnic russians are fighting and killing each other.
Do you and the rest of NATO residents realize that Russia has for all practical purposes declared war on you??? Nuclear war at that???
Over what??? Over who decides what goes on in the FSU…. Russia… or NATO…
I ask…. who cares enough to fight to the death over this matter….. YOU?????
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2022 16:55 utc | 262

The world’s the closest it’s ever been to nuclear war.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 21 2022 16:56 utc | 263

Of note is that the mobilization is for those with training/expertise in specific areas rather than for infantry.
No announced change in the status of the SMO…
Attacks on Russian soil categorized as terrorist attacks rather than acts of war…
From Putin’s speech

T In this regard, I have already instructed the Government and the Ministry of Defense to determine in full and as soon as possible the legal status of volunteers, as well as fighters of units of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. It should be the same as that of regular military personnel of the Russian army, including material, medical support, and social guarantees. Special attention should be paid to organizing the supply of equipment and equipment to volunteer formations and detachments of the People’s Militia of Donbass.

I guess the referendums are little more than a formality, but the change in status of the Donbas militias is a major change. Especially equipment as I believe until now they have had to provide most of it themselves.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2022 16:57 utc | 264

@Digital Dinosaur 47
Don’t worry about it. A nuclear war almost certainly means an outcome similar to the KT extinction event, which eliminated approximately 80 percent of all species of animals and many plants. We have no grounds to imagine that any humans would survive such an event, which might be the best thing to ever happen to this corner of the universe.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 21 2022 16:57 utc | 265

Yes, this is big, but I think people do not yet understand the magnitude of what this is about. When you prod the Great Bear, the bear is patient, he does not react strongly at first, it is difficult to make him stir – BUT DO NOT THINK YOUR PRODDING HAS NOT AFFECTED HIM! When he finally reacts, he reacts explosively, unexpectedly, ferociously. From the outset of the SMO Russia has maintained complete control over escalation, and she gains an enormous strategic advantage in doing so – that is why the Great Bear overtly seemed to respond little to the initial prods. We can see exactly the same pattern with respect to the runnup and initiation of the SMO itself from December to February.
The conflict in Ukraine was never about Ukraine, above all it was about the threat of NATO to Russia. Exactly the same applies to Russia’s latest escalation.
This partial mobilisation (only one percent of Russia’s available reserves) is all about Russia’s planned response to the massive bank of red lines crossed by the west – some kind of Russian offensive. We cannot know the exact nature of that offensive, let us call it “X”, where X is the broad offensive reaction by Russia against the acts of aggressive war committed by NATO against Russia. This offensive will necessarily be against NATO and NATO assets, not just against Ukraine. It is crystal clear in the videos of both Shoigu and Putin (see the Saker), that it is directed specifically at NATO. I believe this response was planned and formulated BEFORE the withdrawal from Kharkov, which in turn was planned specifically in preparation for “X”, whatever X may be. There is a direct causal relationship between the red lines crossed and the content of “X”.
What is “X”? With certainty, in my view, it includes the elimination of NATO command and control personnel and assets in Kiev, which Shoigu hinted at. Also with almost certainty, in my view, the 70 military satellites and maybe also the 200 civilian satellites being used to target Russian troops in Ukraine and to target Russian civilians in Russia and the Donbass. It may well also include the NATO aerial assets circling non-stop over international waters and over eastern Europe very close to Ukraine’s borders. Conceivably, it could also include decision making centres in western capitals. That, roughly, is what I think might be included in “X”.
But that is not all. Certainly Russia has planned in detail for all contingencies concerning the west’s anticipated reaction to “X”. Obviously Russia has rigorously prepared counter-measures. It is Russia’s doctrine that when you know for sure that the enemy will take certain aggressive actions, it is better to strike first. Therefore it seems logical that instead of just doing “X” and waiting for an inevitable response, Russia will from the outset also take further actions which pre-empt and disable that response. We can call those further actions “Y”, where Y denotes the additional actions designed to complement X and protect Russia against blowback from X. We can then say that X’ = X + Y, where X’ denoted the combination of the response to the West’s most serious provocations, and the further escalation over and above that which is necessary to protect Russia from inevitable blowback from the initial escalation and unavoidable subsequent escalation. Thus, when Russia carries out those strikes that it has long abstained from doing because of the seriousness of the escalation bound to it, we have to consider how the west is likely to react – including its capabilities to react and the consequences thereof.
Right from the 8 years of war leading up to the start of the SMO, and especially after the start of the SMO, it was obvious that the US/UK and NATO were acting in outright warfare against Russia – to deny this is to deny reality. Nevertheless it suited both sides not to overtly acknowledge that fact. In the west’s case, that is because they fear the ferocious response of Russia. In Russia’s case it is because it is to Russia’s immense strategic advantage to retain control over escalation. If Russia acknowledges that the US and NATO forces are fighting Russia directly on the battlefield, then automatically Russia will be forced to respond to that fact militarily by premature escalation before it is strategically most advantageous to Russia to do so. Once Russia officially acknowledges that outright warfare of NATO against Russia – as both videos did today – that totally transforms the nature of the conflict from mutually covert or quasi-covert warfare between NATO and Russia to outright overt warfare. At a stroke that instantly changes the nature of the conflict as black is to white.
Take very careful note, in both Putin’s and Shoigu’s videos (both posted with English subtitles today on the Saker), that both strongly emphasised the western threats to use nuclear weapons against Russia. Russia has repeatedly – and including recently – stressed that Russia will never ever ever carry out a nuclear first strike, unless the existence of Russia faces imminent threat. But it is my understanding of Martyanov that Russia most probably has the ability to carry out an entirely conventional first strike against the US, in which the nuclear capability of the US including the capability of a devastating response is completely neutralised, but exclusively using conventional weapons. Therefore, it is conceivable that the next week to 10 days we might see really massive changes.
Take careful note also, by the way: on 21st September referenda are announced to take place in the Donbass on 23rd September on the incorporation of these republics into the Russian Federation – the entire process is going to be completed within mere days; this is clearly planned as an urgently required protective measure. We are not under any circumstances talking about preparations for an offensive “in December”, we are talking about NOW!

Posted by: BM | Sep 21 2022 16:58 utc | 266

Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 16:34 utc | 248
You really are a low level troll. Russia has captured signed documents that have been presented and recorded at the UN, presented at the Geneva meeting and acknowledged by the US as genuine and also publicly available on the net at Rus MoD sites.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2022 17:01 utc | 267

I found quite a bit of reiteration by Putin at the outset of his speech:

We will talk about the necessary, urgent steps to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia, about supporting the desire and will of our compatriots to determine their own future and about the aggressive policy of a part of the Western elites, who are trying with all their might to maintain their dominance, and for this they are trying to block and suppress any sovereign independent centers of development in order to continue to rudely impose their will on other countries and peoples. impose their pseudo-values.
The goal of this West is to weaken, divide and ultimately destroy our country. They are already directly saying that in 1991 they were able to split the Soviet Union, and now the time has come for Russia itself, that it must disintegrate into many deadly warring regions and regions.
And they have been hatching such plans for a long time. They encouraged gangs of international terrorists in the Caucasus, promoted NATO’s offensive infrastructure close to our borders. They have made total Russophobia their weapons, including for decades purposefully cultivating hatred of Russia, primarily in Ukraine, to which they were preparing the fate of an anti-Russian bridgehead, and turned the Ukrainian people themselves into cannon fodder and pushed them to war with our country, unleashing it, this war, back in 2014, using armed forces against the civilian population, organizing genocide. blockade, terror against people who refused to recognize the power that arose in Ukraine as a result of a coup d’état.
And after the current Kiev regime actually publicly abandoned a peaceful solution to the problem of Donbass and, moreover, declared its claims to nuclear weapons, it became absolutely clear that a new, next, as it was before twice, large-scale offensive in the Donbas is inevitable. And then, just as inevitably, there would be an attack on Russia’s Crimea – on Russia.
In this regard, the decision on a pre-emptive military operation was absolutely necessary and the only possible one. Its main goals – the liberation of the entire territory of Donbass – have been and remain unchanged. [My Emphasis]

Putin’s announcement in the last sentence above is the first time I’ve seen that declared as before it was demilitarization and denazification. Further reading between the lines tells me given conditions of ethnic Russians in the Baltics being quite similar to those in Ukraine that Putin may move in that direction once Ukraine is settled.
After the break, Putin makes this announcement:
“Today, our Armed Forces, as I have already said, operate on the line of combat contact, which exceeds a thousand kilometers, resist not only neo-Nazi formations, but in fact the entire military machine of the collective West.” [My Emphasis]
So, the West sought to destroy Russia, failed, and is now fully engaged against Russia where its defeat on the battlefield is openly and often invoked by leading EU/NATO politicos.
Putin’s closing words will be music to many:
“It is in our historical tradition, in the fate of our people, to stop those who are striving for world domination, who threaten to dismember and enslave our Motherland, our Fatherland. We will do it now, and so it will be.”
It’s no wonder that Chinese troops have been informed to prepare for combat, for China has also pledged “to stop those who are striving for world domination.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 17:03 utc | 268

aristodemos | Sep 21 2022 16:40 utc | 252
This is correct – RF is a commodity continent with an industrial base and a unified distinct from the west politics and culture that has managed to federate and secure many different customs and traditions in varying stages of modernisation and coherence
Not to mention an apparent resolution to the Islam-Christian division
The fusion of tradition into modernity on this scale is the only possible model for the overall development of Africa away from the ridiculous retrograde thievery being practiced by the neo colonialists, now most especially in the context of NACs, the smothering of natural assets into a fiancialised derivatives market, and death row ind ag spreading in East Africa
Of course as elsewhere the US retains a certain hold by massive campaigns of corruption : but this is being eroded by the evidence of the long term stable and practical benefits provided by RF Allies, notably China
It is interesting to see that Iran’s FM made an African tour shortly after Lavrov’s –only the second such

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 17:09 utc | 269

@Tom UK 235
The trouble with this narrative is that Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11, and offered to extradite anyone the US sought to Germany (with whom they had an extradition treaty) if the US would provide evidence that the people they wanted had committed a crime under Afghan law (a normal requirement for extradition, unless you are talking about Julian Assange). So no amount of putative “justification” was ever relevant.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 21 2022 17:17 utc | 270

The withdrawal from most of Kharkiv region then the sudden referendum – planned before the withdrawal? puts a Russian forces, apart from the buffer strip between Oskil rive and Luhansk border, on Russian territory.
Possibly the withdrawal was purely a military maneuver – but it seems likely the withdrawal was part of planning that included the referendums…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2022 17:18 utc | 271

@262
The UK is no position to enslave anyone. Traditionally, we enslaved people who couldn’t fight back and these days we would struggle to do that.
So, you say Russia is declaring nuclear war on countries. For what reason? Because you launched a conflict in Ukraine and it’s not going well? You think it’s going to get better for Russia with a nuclear war? No one wins that. I also doubt your allies, China and India are going to be happy about it either.
Fun fact. No one gave a crap about Russia. All we in Europe wanted was for Russia not to make a mess of things and keep the gas flowing, and the money pumping into London, and watch the World Cup. But, no. Russia had to babble on about Peter the Great and historical legacies, blah, blah and try and take the country the size of Ukraine with 200k troops.
Well done. Great job everyone and thanks a lot.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 17:18 utc | 272

@270 Hermit
Never argued it was justified. It was the Americans who thought they had justification and launched a 20 year nightmare on Afghanistan until Trump/Biden pulled the plug.
Just as the Americans believed that had justification, now the Russians believe they have justification. What’s the difference in terms of death and misery for ordinary folk who just wish to live their lives?

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 17:24 utc | 273

BM @266–
Quite a lot in your comment. I’ll point to what I emphasized in Putin’s closing sentences and ask the basic question How will Russia keep the Outlaw US Empire and its Neoliberal Parasite Vassals from attaining world domination? Recall that on several occasions, Putin has declared the Empire’s efforts in that regard to be defeated; so, what has changed that its efforts must be defeated again? IMO, the answer was arrived at in Samarkand–that the Global Bully needs to be euthanized, neutered, made powerless, and not just militarily.
–FYI–
Lavrov is in New York at the UNGA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 17:24 utc | 274

“in terms of death and misery for ordinary folk who just wish to live their lives?”
Now I’m worried – this is special double offer

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 17:25 utc | 275

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 12:45 utc | 111
Tom, poor thing. You believe what you are told and don’t appear to have any idea of what thought and reasoning require because it is unfamiliar to you. You are obviously a trained propagandist going for the enraged gambit, the lowest fruit strategy. Won’t work here because independent thought is important to almost everyone.
Your nation has lost almost everything and it must be very disconcerting to you. This winter you will perchance awake and realize you have believed in a myth so absurd that even children would ask questions that you can’t answer. But my guess is you are paid to interfere with real intercourse among human beings longing for real peace.
When you study history, come back and see if you can offer anything to the discussion. Until then, you will believe what you are told and are condemned to self imposed ignorance.

Posted by: Tard | Sep 21 2022 17:26 utc | 276

British mercenaries released from DPR custody including Aiden Aslin

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 21 2022 17:32 utc | 277

With regard to improving communications and relations with row, Russia should adopt spanish as diplomatic and second language.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2022 17:33 utc | 278

The conflict in Ukraine was never about Ukraine, above all it was about the threat of NATO to Russia. Exactly the same applies to Russia’s latest escalation.
Posted by: BM | Sep 21 2022 16:58 utc | 266
Great post, thanks.
The NATO threat is part and parcel of the geopolitical threat represented by the West’s ‘rules-based’ order, aka hegemony. So in order to protect the citizens in Donbass RF had to confront NATO assisting the puppet regime in Ukraine and in order to do this they have to cut the ability of the US-NATO-EU bloc to provide military, economic and diplomatic support. So the SMO from the get-go was clearly a geopolitical, aka existential, struggle of epic significance.
Some are saying this is a continuation of the Great War that began in 1914 because unresolved issues from 1945 settlements are coming back to bite us. If one describes the US-based credit-cartel hegemony – which presumably includes old Europe and UK money networks – as the result of the post-war configuration, then this may indeed be regarded as a continuation.
In any case, WW II knocked out the British Empire which never recovered from WW I. Russia won WW II but at huge cost. Germany lost at huge cost as well of course. America won with net gains on all fronts and now has gone way too far.
So this next phase of the long war, or an initial phase in a new one perhaps, is the rise of Asia and more generally Eurasia. They are charting their own course. I believe that as long as the West remains belligerent towards Russian territory – which will soon include Russian speakers in Donbass and Southern Ukraine – then Russia will pursue a global bifurcation strategy backed by its many SCO & BRIC (aka Eurasian) allies. The world will split for a while and it is the West which will decline sharply due to broken global supply chains.
Unless the US uses nukes there is no need for further conflict at this point except to contain NATO aggression in Ukraine or threats to Russian territory itself. Sanctions and supply chain disruptions from Chinese lock-downs will ensure a steady decline in Western living standards in their various pathocracies giving them plenty to take care of starting in the next couple of months.
Meanwhile Eurasian nations will be free to march to the beat of their own drums, not attacking or conquering anyone, simply going their own way freely and openly forward building a new Eurasian civilization. They seem to have what karlof1 yesterday called an ‘ontological basis’ for this whereas the West has entirely lost its way and probably needs a few generations in outer darkness before undertaking any sort of renewal, probably following in Eurasia’s footsteps.
If it does play out like this, it will be the first example of almost entirely non-aggressive empire building in known history.
As such I suppose it has to be regarded as somewhat unlikely, but even that it is possible at all speaks volumes about the statesmanship of Xi, Putin and others who are gradually coming along as they witness the obvious pathocracy of the West in comparison to the patient, adult and visionary developments in Eurasia.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 17:41 utc | 279

@212 “Narrative sells. Putin rambles on about some historical legacy dated from the 1500’s, which everyone pretty much tunes out, where as Biden it is a straightforward fight between good and evil…”
As an astute observer pointed out, the US spins the conflict into a Marvel movie, while Russia presents a webinar.
Simple minds prefer the Marvel movie, even simpler minds hold it up to be emulated, minds capable of thinking prefer the “Just the facts, ma’m” of the Russian Federation, complete with slides.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 21 2022 17:42 utc | 280

PS I guess if bifurcation does transpire then we would have to stop calling it a Eurasian civilization and start calling it Asian given historically Asia started with Asia Minor in the Middle East. Putin has been holding out for Germany to hop on board and then lead Europe along after but Germany is not a sovereign nation yet so…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 17:45 utc | 281

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 15:23 utc | 195
“The West or NATO are not going to use tactical nukes.”
That’s nonsense. The Russian doctrine to use nuclear weapons is when its territorial integrity is at stake. The American doctrine to use nuclear weapons is very flexible and is “to defend vital interests” which basically means ‘whenever we want to’. The only things stopping the US for doing so is MAD.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-04/news/biden-policy-allows-first-use-nuclear-weapons
Biden’s policy declares that the “fundamental role” of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is to deter a nuclear attack, but will still leave open the option that nuclear weapons could be used in “extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners,” officials told ACT. According to a March 25 report by The Wall Street Journal, this might include nuclear use to deter enemy conventional, biological, chemical, and possibly cyberattacks.
https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinkens-remarks-to-the-nuclear-non-proliferation-treaty-review-conference/
And as long as nuclear weapons exist, the fundamental role of U.S. nuclear weapons is to deter nuclear attacks on the United States, on our allies, and partners. The United States would only consider the use of nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States, its allies, and partners.

Posted by: xor | Sep 21 2022 17:47 utc | 282

If it does play out like this, it will be the first example of almost entirely non-aggressive empire building in known history.
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 17:41 utc | 279

When the barbarians reached Rome it had already fallen.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2022 17:48 utc | 283

Well who was the one who made warnings to putin regarding tactical nukes?
Was ist Scholz? Was it Macron? Was is VDL? Well someone did, now sh*t hit the fan live with it…

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 21 2022 17:50 utc | 284

@280 wagelaborer
True. And how many people flock to see a Marvel movie and how many to see a lecture with slides?
You may feel a sense of superiority preferring the lecture, but most people will be humming the Marvel movie theme song.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 17:51 utc | 285

@c1ue 240
“The 300K reservists is not about the above. It is about Poland or some other idiotic yapping dog Eastern European nation doing something stupid.”
No, it’s not about Poland. It’s about the winter.
With the forces they have now, Russians can barely hold the 1000km front line (mostly) along rivers. Once the rivers freeze, it all falls apart. Simple as that.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Sep 21 2022 17:52 utc | 286

Yesterday as we awaited the speech there was speculation that its delay would be used to rebut Biden’s UNGA propaganda, but that clearly wasn’t that case. IMO, the delay was due to the marshalling of all the required documents involved, which were many as Putin alluded to that the legislative parts of the government needed to act upon speedily.
I should note that after the speech, Putin went to “the site of the Novgorod Technical School in Veliky Novgorod” to meet with “the heads of advanced engineering schools and their industrial partners,” which followed on the heels of Putin’s meeting with heads of defence industry enterprises. I encourage barflies to read both transcripts for they further detail/reveal components of what I’m calling Socialism with Russian Characteristics, which IMO differs from State Capitalism because of who the end results are to benefit–Russia’s public and nation, not private Capitalists.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 17:55 utc | 287

“And how many people flock to see a Marvel movie and how many to see a lecture with slides?”
True. There are far more simple minds in the world than thinking minds. That is why the US rules the world with propaganda. We’re Number One!
Keep It Simple, Stupid is our motto.
I was only pointing out that you are in the wrong element here. Perhaps hanging out on a Yahoo page would be more suitable for you.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 21 2022 17:58 utc | 288

@283 xor
I will repeat this again. NATO will not give the Ukrainians planes, tanks and long range missiles for fear of escalating the conflict, so they certainly aren’t going to use any nukes! NATO are happy enough with things as they stand and the last thing they want is a direct conflict with Russia and the prospect of nuclear warfare – which Putin keeps mentioning I would add.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 18:00 utc | 289

Mao Cheng Ji | Sep 21 2022 17:52 utc | 287
Now I’m really worried help please – frozen rivers who’d a known – it’s all so deceptively simple, yes, but somehow dangerous too

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 18:00 utc | 290

“Russia past ‘point of no return’ on Ukraine – top MP: The chair of the State Duma foreign affairs committee says Ukraine has violated all previous agreements” making the transition of those former areas of Ukraine into Russia a snap.
To a very large degree, what the West says and does no longer has any impact on Russia and its decisions. In its massive violation of treaties, the West has proven itself to be incapable of agreement and 100% untrustworthy–behaviors that will be very difficult for it to rectify given its present staff.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2022 18:02 utc | 291

Macpott | Sep 21 2022 17:50 utc | 285
Lizzy Trussy made it, months ago.

Posted by: rk | Sep 21 2022 18:03 utc | 292

@289 wagelaborer
Not at all. I am confident people on here have the mental acuity to keep up with me.
*insert winky emoji*

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 18:04 utc | 293

Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 17:18 utc | 272:

Fun fact. No one gave a crap about Russia. All we in Europe wanted was for Russia not to make a mess of things and keep the gas flowing, and the money pumping into London, and watch the World Cup.

Then it’s true after all: as hard as it was to believe, it’s even harder to argue against someone demonstrating how much more the UK and much of Western Europe has been propagandized than even the US.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 21 2022 18:05 utc | 294

Note that there are two components to the Putin/Shoigu pressers – the 300k partial movilisation, and the referendums. The 300k are a mid-term increase, where these troops will need some refresher and integration into combat units and will take some weeks to yield fruit.
The referendum is something else entirely: this allows existing assets to be put on the line basically immediately in order to reinforce or replace troops on the defensive line. It also allows much better troop rotation without risking the front lines.
As a result, Stavka is free to coordinate moving the existing SMO troops into new areas or weakened areas, greatly raising the number of BTG/kilometer, that which was clearly lacking in the Kharkiv areas retaken by the combined Ukie/NATO counterattack.
I agree this phase change is all act of desperation – however, it is an act imposed on NATO by Putin, not Putin’s desperation.

Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 21 2022 18:08 utc | 295

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 18:00 utc | 290
What I’d like to know is if in the efforts to not aggravate the situation as you claim, (which is basically unfounded as they have aggravated since 2014), would NATO refuse to attack the newly annexed territories. Because doing so would be a huge escalation.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 21 2022 18:09 utc | 296

@Mao Cheng Ji #271
Frozen rivers go both ways.
But more importantly, heavy equipment isn’t going over a major “frozen” river regardless.
Nor will there be forest cover for Ukrainian infantry.
So no, can’t say your view is valid. But a good try.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2022 18:12 utc | 297

“When the barbarians reached Rome it had already fallen.”
Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2022 17:48 utc | 284
Hmm….
https://www.history.com/news/8-reasons-why-rome-fell
“1. Invasions by Barbarian tribes
The most straightforward theory for Western Rome’s collapse pins the fall on a string of military losses sustained against outside forces. Rome had tangled with Germanic tribes for centuries, but by the 300s “barbarian” groups like the Goths had encroached beyond the Empire’s borders. The Romans weathered a Germanic uprising in the late fourth century, but in 410 the Visigoth King Alaric successfully sacked the city of Rome. The Empire spent the next several decades under constant threat before “the Eternal City” was raided again in 455, this time by the Vandals. Finally, in 476, the Germanic leader Odoacer staged a revolt and deposed Emperor Romulus Augustulus. From then on, no Roman emperor would ever again rule from a post in Italy, leading many to cite 476 as the year the Western Empire suffered its death blow.”

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 21 2022 18:13 utc | 298

c1ue | Sep 21 2022 18:12 utc | 298
Then I was worried, now I’m afraid -everything is known

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 21 2022 18:15 utc | 299

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 21 2022 18:00 utc | 290
NATO has already given Ukraine a few shitty planes, a lot of mediocre tanks, and some pretty advanced medium-range missiles. This is what has been acknowledged. It is quite possible and even probable that it has provided some weapons it has not publicly acknowledged.
I’m not sure how you can state with confidence that the US will not escalate its material support.
US doctrine allows for the use of first strike nuclear weapons in defense of the “vital interests” of itself or its allies. I also believe nuclear weapons are unlikely to be deployed—despite Zelensky’s state desire to possess them and Liz Truss’ promise to use them—but the relatively elastic nuclear doctrine of the US leaves a lot of wiggle room within which very stupid decisions might be made.
My impression is that it is the US who is constantly claiming that Russia is about to use nuclear weapons, while Russia claims that they will not except and unless they are facing the destruction of their state. But the whole discussion about who is talking about nuclear weapons more is silly. Only one of the parties in this conflict has already used them.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 21 2022 18:19 utc | 300