RIP Liz II – Moon of Alabama

September 8, 2022

RIP Liz II

This lady has died today after living a posh, eventful and long life.

Despite all controversies about the British royals, their public roles and riches, many people in the United Kingdom have had some genuine love for her as a person.

I doubt that her successors will ever gain similar sympathies. Indeed the UK may over time wean itself off from such an undemocratic, and very expensive, institution as the monarchy is.

Another recent picture from Britain, on the current cover of the New Statesman, depicts the other Liz at the bow of an ocean liner.

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What will the people of the British Islands do when they find out that they are indeed on the Titanic with a captain who does not understand that the economic icebergs drifting in front of the ship are an imminent danger?

Posted by b on September 8, 2022 at 17:41 UTC | Permalink

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Maybe on this sad occasion I am permitted to repost a joke from last week:
I like to remind my road cycling friends ⛰️ 🚴‍♂️🚴‍♀️ that everything in life cannot be downhill.
But evidently some things can.

Guy Walters 🇺🇦 on Twitter, August 31, 2022
Extraordinary to think that the Queen’s first prime minister was Winston Churchill, and her last may well be Liz Truss.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 8 2022 22:41 utc | 101

b: “Indeed the UK may over time wean itself off from such an undemocratic, and very expensive, institution as the monarchy is.”

Expensive??? As a profitable British tourist attraction, the Monarchy is easily #1. It is a living museum that brings in far more than it costs. Lots of Russians tourists there the last time I visited, but I expect that will decline.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 8 2022 23:06 utc | 102

@ mnra | Sep 8 2022 18:56 utc | 43
Actually, the British royal family and all the royal families of Europe, are basically Germans. This is because the princesses the heirs married were almost always Germans from various German states. Even the ancestries of the French and Spanish Bourbons were invaded by Germans. The so-called Greek royal family was all German; no trace of Greek ancestry (unless extremely remote). The so-called Romanovs were also almost pure Germans. Likewise the British: From the time George I the Elector of Hanover was imported in 1714 to be king and never even could speak English, all the royal marriages were with German princesses, or in the case of Victoria a German prince. This was a positive embarrassment in World War I, hence the change of the name of the dynasty from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor. The first to marry from the English gentry was George VI; thus, Elizabeth II was half English, half German. But she went right back to the usual habit, marrying the “Greek” — but really German Battenberg — Philip. So Charles III is three quarters German, one quarter English. His son is three eights German and five eighths English.
The only other thing is that it is OK, occasionally, to have some sympathy for royals, because they do not choose to be born into that, and sometimes what they do is constricted by their position. Of course, probably most of them egregiously exploit their position to enhance their wealth and status and thus really do belong to the class of oppressors, like the stupendously wealthy Liechtensteiner princely family. But some of them are virtual or actual prisoners of their situation, which can turn out most unfortunately for them. One thinks, for example, of Princess Alice, the mother of Prince Philip and grandmother of the new king, who was incarcerated and tortured for years for mental illness and then became a Greek orthodox nun, founding her own order of nuns and staying in Greece during the Nazi occupation. There are also other cases like hers. In each case, one has to ask what they could have done better.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 8 2022 23:10 utc | 103

Honestly, I am hopeful the UK will at some point abolish this archaic system. I have never respected the king-queen concept. It undermines the common man and is a wasteful distraction. My reaction to her passing was to play London Calling by The Clash . Charles is lost already …

Posted by: John Chap | Sep 8 2022 23:14 utc | 104

Well judged article by the owner of this august blog. She was a far more classy person than those who are firing off insults at her in their ignorance.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 8 2022 23:17 utc | 105

So they did decide to flick the switch eh. Brenda was reportedly still hangin on when I hit the pit last night.
I betcha the Truss is sweating in fear worried because ‘the subjects’ might connect Brenda’s dying to the Truss draggin her outta her sick bed on Tuesday just to shake Truss’s wet fish paw as new PM.
If that even occurred, as one thing that the englander establishment always ensures is that ‘big’ occasions weddings parties (jubilees etc) and funerals happen in summer so that maximum tourist funds are raked from the circus.
Brenda karks it in summer, was that just coincidental or has she been in storage? More likely someone pulled a switch last evening englander time. Oh well as they say, next please. Here comes Chuckee III, the most pampered ungracious twit in a long line of ungracious twits to sit on the shabby gilt encrusted chair yet. He’s been pining for the gig for the last 60 years even though everyone including himself knows he gonna fuck it up . . . royally.
The worst of all this is that here in Aotearoa same as everywhere else that brenda was nominally head of state, all the englander migrants are gonna wail like stuck pigs for the next week, expecting the locals to join in their teeth gnashing farce and livid when we don’t. A good time to avoid englander immigrants even more than usual.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 8 2022 23:18 utc | 106

As for Charles, if he’s smart, he’ll abdicate in favor of his first son who is much more popular.
Posted by: Caliman | Sep 8 2022 18:00 utc | 11
He’s waited an eternity for his chance, no way is he giving it up for a while, if ever.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 8 2022 23:26 utc | 107

way back when joe rogan was capable of being funny and didn’t look like a leather chair with a mouth, he put it best:
“a queen?!? what, are you guys fighting dragons with catapults and shit? you don’t have a ‘queen’; you have a millionaire without a job.”
the royals are parasites as they’re the very manifestation of material modernity and have become useless as figureheads. the “princes” usually just marry social climbing WASPs or occasionally a dopey actress who compares her wedding to nelson mandela’s release. never mind the one who hung out with epstein while they banged tweens. good riddance.

Posted by: the pair | Sep 8 2022 23:32 utc | 108

The Worlds oldest ruling monarch of the former English Empire has died does that mean the Countries of the British Commonwealth will now become Independent?

Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2022 23:39 utc | 109

I wonder if we’ll ever find out why she stuck to the throne so obstinately till the very end? Was it just to keep that jughead Charles away?

Posted by: AmusedIndian | Sep 8 2022 23:52 utc | 110

God Save The Queen

Posted by: Wester | Sep 8 2022 23:55 utc | 111

Where’s John Cleary when you need him here at the bar.
Would LOVE to read a comment or 15 from him today.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 9 2022 0:07 utc | 112

Perhaps it is interesting that the queen, FWIW, until her death, was the last “world leader” to have witnessed first hand, much of the elements of genuine war unleashed – horrific destruction, mass murder and all that.
What we have now are those giddy for war, having never had a real personal attachment to it or even a glimpse of it. That is, to be close enough to it to matter to an arsehole to affect one deeply and personally.
Soft headed amateurs like Tony Blinken and Joe Sun Tzu. And Liz Truss.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 9 2022 0:16 utc | 113

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Sep 8 2022 22:51 utc | 118
Strong Monarch raised to lead from birth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha! Ha!
English history since Norman Conquest
1. Military take over by the bastard son of Robert of Normandy. A warrior from France with Viking heritage
2. William 2 a weak, nasty and rather rainbow son
3. Brother Henry 1 – Might have been OK but mostly in France
4. Daughter of henry strong but not accepted because female. Bitter civil war
5. Henry 2 (OK one example of a good king raised from birth by a strong mother) score 1/5for royalty
6. Richard 1. A warrior king rarely in England and more interested in dalliance with Phillip of France
7. Brother John – much hated but I suspect mainly because he actually tried to rule in England. Ceded much control to the nobles at Runnymede
8. Henry 3 raised to be king – very mixed results
9. Edward 1 (OK again a positive one) Score 2/9 for royalty
10. Edward 2 Oh dear oh dear. It was one of his friends who got a poker up the back side, because of well you can guess. A useless king
11. Edward 3 Ok one for the heritary worshippers – good reign 3/11
12. Richard 2. Again oh dear! Raised to be King certainly but Weak as water – quite probably a peadophile and certainly sexually odd. Success when still a boy was thanks to his uncle John of Gaunt (who married into the Lancaster House and started the later trouble). I understand that it is the money brought in by John of Gaunt that still supports the British monarchy
13. Henry 4, son of wise uncle John was more ambitious than dad and deposed cousin Richard. he was more or less next in line anyway as the only other claimant was a daughter of his uncle Lionel. This caused trouble later. I guess you can say he was raised to be king and was competent so 4/13
14. Henry 5 – he was a great warrior and may have been a good king had he lived. i will call it positive because again a brother (John again) rules wisely for his infant son 5/13
15. Henry 6 – a weakling and a joke. Again raised to be king but was a disaster. Failed when Uncle John died. He had a son but given his illness (insanity) DNA testing may cast doubt on his paternity
16. Edward 4- A strong King probably but usurped the throne as had Henry 4. However this was perhaps inevitable given the weakness of Henry 6. His reign was troubled and unstable. Not fair to allocate any strength or weakness to his son Edward 5, who died in the tower as a child
17. Richard 3 – despite Shakespeare possible a good king but reign much too troubled to count as good. Had he had a living heir it may have proved otherwise.
18. Henry 7 – what can one say? Had absolutely no right to the throne, except he had a super ambitious MOTHER. Any claim he did have was via a bastard line via (OK back to 12 again) a semi legitimate line from John of Gaunt (wise uncle John). Quite a touching story really, but Uncle John had three families- the legitimate one – Henry 4, a second marriage with a Spanish girl and the other one from his mistress Katherine Swynford. On the death of his first wife he took up with Katherine Swynford, and had many children. He then took on a second marriage (presumably for dynastic reasons) but when this wife died he married Katherine. He had his bastard children legitimised but ruled OUT of the line of succession. He was not raised to be a King.
19. Henry 8 off the many wives. Actually until stricken with syphilis, not a bad king. 6/19
20. I will not count young Edward 6 – died too young. Then there was mary!!! ugh
21. Elizabeth 1. hardly raised to be queen. her mother had her head chopped off and widely regarded as illegitimate -it was the whole divorce thing. she was a good queen so i will give her a positive, but it does not really support the idea od kings raised to lead. 7/21
22. then come the Stuarts – James 1 – “never said a foolish thing, nor ever did a wise one”
23. Charles 1 – had his head chopped off. Not successful
24. Charles 2 – the party king- brought back because of the hatred for the puritan revolutionaries
25. James 2 – driven out.
26. Replaced by daughter and hubby William 3
27. Queen Anne trying unsuccessfully to raise a child.
I think at this point in English history you can more or less stop because the Kings/Queens were pretty much figure heads. . Then came the Germans but they were much more controlled.
So 7 competent rulers out of 27. Not a good score for heredity.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 9 2022 0:17 utc | 114

I am the same age as the idiot first son. I understand him itching to get onto the throne. I have the same frustrations. It was a pillow job. He knocked the old girl. She was brown bread before the family got there. There i have called it. You heard it here first. And the Butchers Apron will be flown at half mast.
Having a quiet tipple in celebration.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 9 2022 0:24 utc | 115

Democracy? Where B? Where in the western world do we have democracy? We have virtue signaling, pronoun policing, castrating/sterilizing of children, removal of the word woman from the bodies able to give birth and other assorted bullshit.
there is no difference between red and blue, throw in a bit of green and suddenly everything is brown. Go figure. Democracy. lol And the idiots that vote still believe that their vote will change anything.
As for the Queen, she was the best, biggest and certainly biggest earning asset the Country had.

Posted by: Sabine | Sep 9 2022 0:27 utc | 116

Sam@128
The problem with such countries achieving ‘independence’ is that every one of them has yet to come to terms with the nature of settler colonialism. It is certainly true that British imperialism both created the conditions for and set precedents of the ill treatment of the aboriginal inhabitants of these various countries.
The United States, which was founded in some degree in order to unshackle colonial land speculators from the restrictions of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, are an exception. But the rule, at least after direct government by London appointed governors was abandoned and colonists became the effective rulers of Canada, New Zealand, Australia and, most notably perhaps, South Africa, was that the Privy Council and Parliament became courts of last resort from decisions taken by the colonists.
Of course this was largely theory and rarely honoured in practice. But the underlying reality: that the colonists have to deal with the legacies of racism, genocides and land and resource expropriation. And deal in a practical way, which is to say in a way in which the colonial ruling classes are expropriated in the interest of social justice.
There is little sense that this course is being followed. Most colonies have followed the example of the United States and shamelessly refused to recognise the fact that their societies, like Israel, are built upon larceny which took place within the memory of old men.
The Queen is dead, whether or not she will be missed is a tiny matter. What is important is that those who delude themselves that she ever exercised any significant political power should get real.
The only importance of her passing is that it is very likely that the ruling class in Britain will try and squeeze every bit of political advantage that they can, in order to promote not the House of Windsor but the interests of a wealthy and powerful oligarchy, many of whose members hale from the Dominions and the USA.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 9 2022 0:28 utc | 117

@131 Who is John Cleary? Some antiquated monarchist/ I suspect our regular MOA pundits are waiting for the ankle-biting to subside before offering any opinions.

Posted by: dh | Sep 9 2022 0:28 utc | 118

Posted by: DaVinci | Sep 8 2022 19:48 utc | 61
Thanks for the correction…. history was my favorite subject in school. I’ve forgotten, getting old but still remember Oliver Cromwell… thanks again.

Posted by: JC | Sep 9 2022 0:34 utc | 119

The New Statesman cover of Ms. Truss has a remarkable similarity to the DVD box cover of the Danish movie Holiday by Isabella Eklof:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7328154/mediaviewer/rm1752001536/?ref_=tt_md_4
Holiday concerns the “working” holiday of an Epstein girl. Could this be an allegory for Ms. Truss?

Posted by: Punnoval | Sep 9 2022 0:42 utc | 120

Her reign was a flawless performance of Duty. Her death magnificently timed.
The Sceptred Isle can only have one ruling Liz.
R.I.P. Queen Elizabeth 11.
Take it away, Lady C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?V=YZ3qX2WJw9k

Posted by: Australian lady | Sep 9 2022 0:46 utc | 121

Innis – 58
Jimmy Carter is the most prominent one, I’d say. Jiang Zemin is also still alive.
There are others here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_living_state_leaders
Retired Pope Ratzinger might fit your bill. Then amont a few others, I’d say Fernando Cardoso, Raul Castro and Mahathir Mohamad would be some of the most important ones – add comrade Napolitano if, like Liz II, head of state with limited political direct power are taken into consideration.
Right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if Carter is the next one to go, possibly before the year is over. It would be fitting that the guy who was in charge when the first major energy troubles appeared, and when energy savings became at long last a serious topic, dies when energy troubles rise again across the West and when they become an existential issue (both due to scarcity and to environmental threat).

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 9 2022 0:48 utc | 122

My Grandfather served as a Palace Guard and all members of our family met her at some point. I know some people will have other impressions,but mine are very positive. It’s appropriate that the heavens are weeping here.
RIP and thank you for your service.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 8 2022 19:21 utc | 51
Well said, Bob. I only met her briefly, shaking her hand when she came to my school. She must have visited hundreds if not thousands of schools, and so much more. How many hundreds of thousands of hands did she shake? How many millions was she seen by in person? An extraordinary life created by an extraordinary people.
It seems many here get a kick out of lobbing petty insults. There’s an old custom in the West, and a good one: Do not speak ill of the dead!!
Oh well. Meanwhile, the heavens themselves spoke simply:
Windsor Castle, rainbow:
https://wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/windsor-castle-rainbow-800×450.jpg
Buckingham Palace, rainbow:
https://people.com/thmb/HDofvGpx9b_OQJzFKQsA0sDjFi4=/650×0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(959×385:961×387):format(webp)/rainbow-over-buckingham-palace-090822-1-bdd8c85890954636b51bcd586786d0de.jpg
(If you look carefully, you can see it’s a double rainbow. The crowd there said it was one for her and one for her husband who has been waiting for her on the other side for a year or so now.)
I don’t understand how monarchy works in the modern world nor, more specifically, how the Windsors and Queen Elizabeth II managed to endear themselves to so many millions in England and world wide. But they did. There’s something about it that is beyond simple practicality. Majesty is perceived, experienced. Royalty is something atmospheric which transcends the human character of the person fulfilling the role. The King or Queen or Prince or Princess has an iconic presence in the mind, sort of like gazing at the moon or a star, but in this case is something each individual in the whole nation can witness and feel and share in common.
There’s some magic to the whole thing because there is magic to our whole lives, to this realm we live in together. Royalty does a better job of acknowledging that magic, that sacredness, that faerie tale quality of reality than institutional religion, fiction or whatever. Or cynicism for that matter.
It is not something that can be understood with the mind but the heart. No doubt for days millions will be coming to walk past her coffin in the cathedral. They may not be able to say why they do so but they want to be there. It’s beyond logic, politics, economics, hero worship. On some deep level perhaps it has to do with joy and gratitude for being alive in what is, when all is said and done, a marvelous world. Louis Armstrong released his ‘Wonderful World’ song shortly before dying. He was royalty too and people all over the world knew it and loved him for revealing it to them.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 1:03 utc | 123

Official Australian tabloid headlines starting from the top and will finish at the first gap.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/
“Queen Elizabeth II dies at 96 after more than 70 years on the throne, King Charles III tells of ‘greatest sadness'”
“Britons flock to Balmoral in the middle of the night to honour Queen Elizabeth II”
“The little girl who was never meant to rule became the longest-reigning monarch”
“This was the moment the crowd outside Buckingham Palace learned the Queen had died”
“‘I think Granny is the most happy there’: Why the Queen always loved Balmoral”
“Prince Harry seen arriving at Balmoral without Meghan after Queen’s death”
“Scotland’s Operation Unicorn plan kicks in as millions mourn the Queen”
“What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?”
“The Queen died as most Australians slept. This is how the night unfolded”
“The Queen carried on with official duties right up until the end”
“What happens now Charles is King? When is the Queen’s funeral, and where will she be buried?”
“Anthony Albanese suspends parliament, pays tribute to Queen Elizabeth II”
“Sport paused to honour late Queen as her ‘total commitment’ to London 2012 remembered”
So much tribute to some foreign shitbag. Australia like Ukraine has a leadership dressed in green tee shirts. Traitors one and all. Swear allegiance to a foreign hereditary monarch rather than the Australian people.
The absolute scum that gravitate to the monarchs circles. I have met two. Blair the anglo war of terror. Bojo and geo Truss Ukraine. A higher level of scum than what I have met. Dear old queeny as the head or mascot, doesn’t matter which. The old bitch signed her name to it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 1:05 utc | 124

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 8 2022 18:26 utc | 25
“the last person in Britain with any integrity, style, class, and self-discipline died. May her soul rest gently.”
Pass the sick-bag.

Posted by: horseguards | Sep 9 2022 1:07 utc | 125

And many many many more people, innocent people, have suffered and had their lives ended early thanks to the royals and those empire loving Brits. Ding Dong the Queen is dead.

Posted by: peon d. rich | Sep 9 2022 1:07 utc | 126

Zero love for the British empire and its monarchs, but it must be said that she was competent and took her position seriously. There’s precious little of that today and it’s likely there will be less of it in the palaces and castles lording over an odd simulation of democracy.
It may grant the idea of Britain a reprieve, though a coronation for Chuck seems like it will go wrong in some way. He’s nearly the living embodiment of the “good times create weak people” portion of hard times make strong people, strong people make good times, good times make weak people cycle. All those kids are. Perhaps Elizabeth really didn’t ever want the job, but she took it seriously and sacrificed for its constraints. Her spoiled children rebelled against its constraints while demanding the privileges that go with royal responsibility.
Maybe Charles has it in him to lead Britain in what is likely to be a rather trying time. If he doesn’t the times will be a lot more trying.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 9 2022 1:09 utc | 127

@Clueless Joe | Sep 9 2022 0:48 utc | 142
Time for the Dulleye Lamer from Freak Teabed Dharamsala to finally kick the bucket.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 9 2022 1:10 utc | 128

The latter half of the 16th century in England is justly called the Elizabethan Age: rarely has the collective life of a whole era been given so distinctively personal a stamp.
Posted by: Bigglesworth | Sep 8 2022 19:47 utc | 60
Beautifully written post, thank you.
Queen Elizabeth was helped by Shakespeare who many believe – and I am among them – was the pseudonym of the Earl of Oxford who came from an older, Merovingian line than hers. Indeed the elder Earl (family name de Vere) is said to have crowned the young Elizabeth in a secret ceremony in a forest as per ancient pagan custom going back long before the Norman invasion. It’s a funny old world…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 1:10 utc | 129

Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 1:10 utc | 149
I thought Francis Bacon was the pen behind Shakespeare, not the Mexovingians

Posted by: Bilding | Sep 9 2022 1:30 utc | 130

“Damn the icebergs, full speed ahead”.

Posted by: Joe Pfau | Sep 9 2022 1:52 utc | 131

Explains the extra bugs lately…
May the truth of God and the justice of God find the soul of the evil being which has now passed.

Posted by: Josh | Sep 9 2022 1:56 utc | 132

And, yes,
It is believed that she ordered Diana’s murder to prevent the possibility of an ‘heir’ to the crown outside of her control.

Posted by: Josh | Sep 9 2022 2:06 utc | 133

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 9 2022 2:10 utc | 134

@ Bigglesworth | 60
Indeed, Elizabeth (I) was the real deal plus appropriate for her 16th century. Elizabeth II was a long lived watered down shadow of the first, in an era where royalty is at maximum a tourist attraction for zombies.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 9 2022 2:11 utc | 135

Can you tell me one thing about Queen Elizabeth? She liked corgis and…
by: Altai | 17:53 utc | 6
she’s a racist…
and dead…
just like dead Les. She’s dead.
God save the Queen?
It’s too late. Too late for liz. Too late for Les. Too late for us all.
How utterly irrelevant.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 9 2022 2:17 utc | 136

So much tribute to some foreign shitbag. Australia like Ukraine has a leadership dressed in green tee shirts. Traitors one and all. Swear allegiance to a foreign hereditary monarch rather than the Australian people.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 1:05 utc | 130
Albanese i know well personally. A rat of the lowest order. Today he betrayed his mentor the great Tom Uren, who was a government minister sacked in the Elizabethan coup that threw the Whitlam government out of office. He described the fascist with a pearl necklace as providing ‘considerate leadership’ for my country. Tom will be spinning in his grave. A rat.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 9 2022 2:21 utc | 137

Charles is now the head of the Anglican Church, as well as the Grand Master of all regular lodges (i.e. in UK and Commonwealth as well as in the USA and somewhere else…)

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 9 2022 2:24 utc | 138

nook | Sep 8 2022 18:31 utc | 31
John Kennard | Sep 8 2022 20:40 utc | 79
He’s right, pretty damned funny.

Posted by: Fauxjo | Sep 9 2022 2:37 utc | 139

She took on a job – had it thrust upon her, of course – and she stuck with it; I admire her sincerity and her unwavering commitment and grace.

Posted by: Hope | Sep 9 2022 2:38 utc | 140

@Josh | Sep 9 2022 2:06 utc | 139

And, yes,It is believed that she ordered Diana’s murder to prevent the possibility of an ‘heir’ to the crown outside of her control.

Oh my. That is believed by some yellow press readers and romantic old ladies. I fail to see a murder in drunk driving, but honestly, I did not care. And if anyone, not the elderly queen, but MI6 would have arranged it. And I do not pity some aristocrat bitch.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 9 2022 2:40 utc | 141

There’s one truth; everyone dies.
by: mnra | 18:10 utc | 17
That’s not true at all.
It’s a perceptual error we have due to the effects of having DNA.
Everyone doesn’t exist. It’s a category error. You think you are an “individual” but the deeper truth is that you are a continuous DNA preservation sack. Why… why… everyone is.
There’s no such thing as people. If there is then I challenge you to prove it.
It’s like calling a DNA sack a useless eater. It presupposes there are DNA sacks that are useful.
We are built upon a foundations of fallacy and false reality. It’s worse than a group hallucination.
Occasionally those are fun.. Wasn’t Covid? b?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 9 2022 2:45 utc | 142

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 9 2022 2:45 utc | 148
Good point.
From there you now need to acknowledge that ‘our ideas’ are not ours. The question becoming who are we?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 9 2022 2:55 utc | 143

@David G Horsman | Sep 9 2022 2:45 utc | 148
You are infected by Dawkin’s flawed ideology. I won’t go into the details, but I disagree. Let us leave it there.
As to mrna: Read Benasseraff (Mathematical truth, 1975) before speaking about truth. Formally spoken, “everyone dies” is a universal proposition which has not yet been falsified, and it is unlikely that it ever will. But as long as not everyone has died, it is at best a solidly corroborated working hypothesis. Yet every universal proposition can be falsified even by a single negation. For christians it is a fact that Jesus did not die (or not for long) so they could disagree.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 9 2022 2:56 utc | 144

When Biden heard the Queen is dead, he immediately started looking for a new Secretary of Transportation

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Sep 9 2022 2:57 utc | 145

Still disturb me about what she said about the great Cheddi Jagan of Guyana formerly British Guiana according to Kitty Kelley

Posted by: Cuffy | Sep 9 2022 3:02 utc | 146

@Roger | Sep 8 2022 18:35 utc | 33
Indeed. There was once a general sentiment in Australia that once QE II dropped off the perch then the country would go to a Republic with its own elected/selected Governor Gen/President head of state. Now, I’m not so sure in these ‘interesting times.’

Posted by: imo | Sep 9 2022 3:08 utc | 147

For christians it is a fact that Jesus did not die (or not for long) so they could disagree.
Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 9 2022 2:56 utc | 150
Everything that is born at some point dies.
Anything that is not born does not die.
Anything not born has no beginning or end.
What exists without beginning or end, no birth or death?

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 3:14 utc | 148

The WITCH is dead!

Posted by: Steven | Sep 9 2022 3:15 utc | 149

Another fragment of the imperial facade crumbles away …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2022 3:43 utc | 150

Have they checked with the US state if Charles is suitable? They might prefer skipping to William.

Posted by: Jeff | Sep 9 2022 4:02 utc | 151

I’ll add my bit to it. Lotta people venting a bit aren’t they?
I was a little boy standing amongst the crowd lining the road as the Royal Coach passed by with newly crowned Queen Elizabeth in it. 1953. The year Hilary climbed Everest.
I feel I lived my life with her in a way. I lived mine, she lived hers, but we shared a this period.
She was a good girl, she was a good woman, she was a good queen. I will miss her and it’s my belief her spirit is now enjoying some real freedom. God save the Queen.

Posted by: abrogard | Sep 9 2022 4:14 utc | 152

Posted by: Bob | Sep 8 2022 19:21 utc | 51
Thank you, Bob, and Scorpion at 129 – I was a schoolchild on Auckland’s Domain waving a small blue flag (homemade) that was part of the larger Union Jack pattern arrayed there in l953, as the Landrover carrying the new Queen and Prince Philip passed close along our ranks – they were standing and she wore a polkadot white dress. Hilary had just climbed Everest with Tenzing at his side.
Go with God, my young queen.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2022 4:25 utc | 153

juliania | Sep 9 2022 4:25 utc | 159
More.. Tenzing had just climbed Everest…. with Hillary at his side.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 9 2022 4:42 utc | 154

Further to my earlier post, if anyone follows this link to a photo published in the daily torygraph taken on Tuesday when she had to meet with the truss, they will see that brenda’s hands are a strong deep purple, an indication that her ticker wasn’t succeeding in pumping blood to her extremities. Her flesh coloured stockings prevent us from seeing the same with her feet. I wonder which idiot ‘royal physician’ ok’d her to get up and away from assistance on that fateful tuesday?
Not so long ago both he & the truss would have been made to consider the world for the unhappy remainder of their existences from within ye olde Tower of London. Maybe Chuck will bring such punishments back.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he did as he’s as mad as a cut snake under that thin veneer of a level headed pedophile.
ps I can remember about 1960 when my class were press ganged into being ‘stewards’ at her mother’s (also known as queen elizabeth) visit to Eden Park in Auckland. Later on when I was at secondary school brenda & the greek regularly used our top playing field as their helipad whenever the pair were in Aotearoa as government house was only a coupla hundred meters down the road. The greek would come to assembly and give us a day off each visit, but the school headmaster, a crawling dingbat known as ‘Henry’ Cooper would always ‘forget to give us the holiday.
A direct line can be drawn between brenda and the 1974 dismissal of Gough Whitlam but afaik she wasn’t directly implicated in the murder of kiwi PM Norm Kirk – that one may have just been the amerikans.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 9 2022 4:52 utc | 155

Novichok

Posted by: integer | Sep 9 2022 5:02 utc | 156

For everyone mentioning Whitlam, the dismissal was 1975. Not 1973, not 1974.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 5:11 utc | 157

The Irish haven’t been this happy since Lord Mountbatten’s last fishing trip.

Posted by: George Abernathy | Sep 9 2022 5:17 utc | 158

Spare me the “sorrow” for the demise of any of the House of Saxe Coburg und Gotha. I couldn’t care less.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 9 2022 5:20 utc | 159

Further，the actual villains in the dismissal are Fraser and Kerr. Of course Kerr was going to have to consult with ERII in some way; he was literally the representative of the Crown in Australia. He was going to have to speak to someone when he was thinking of breaking convention and sacking Whitlam. ERII probably didn’t give a stuff about Whitlam either way. Perhaps she squawked, “I don’t know, just sack the bastard then!” so she could get off the phone with Kerr, a noted souse. Doesn’t give her a central role in anything.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 5:21 utc | 160

Internet groaning with memes on Dead Lizzie.
Here’s one that gave me a guffaw..
https://twitter.com/Elizabeth_2_HRH/status/1567934386045128704?cxt=HHwWgMC49YmBtsIrAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 9 2022 5:35 utc | 161

Purkayast [165]
I am so pleased you shared that with us. Your opinion is so valued….somewhere no doubt
When were you last in Gotha or Coburg and do you know where they are ?
Do you know about the Saxe line at all ?
Maybe you are simply culturally insensitive ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 9 2022 5:53 utc | 162

Galloway [144]
You had better get out your handbook
Charles was never a Mason and refused to be involved unlike MOST US Presidents

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 9 2022 5:56 utc | 163

@DaVinci | Sep 8 2022 19:48 utc | 61

The new king is Charles 111

A bit much I think.
“Charles the III” or maybe even “Charles the ill” if you so prefer

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2022 5:59 utc | 164

Meh! We fought two wars to get away from them. It isn’t her fault she was born queen but it is her fault to not end this atrocious system and to end the non-constitutional monarchy. The UK, as awful as it is, deserves Charles as their monarchical representative. He is exactly that, an inbred German/Greek imbecile who represents the decline that crescendoed under Elizabeth. The UK no longer is anything other than a weak decrepit puppy of the US, that serves as a money laundry for the Uber-rich.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Sep 9 2022 6:20 utc | 165

Spare a thought for your average Brit who doesn’t care.
Propaganda is up to 11 and there is no escape. Was unfortunate to catch the radio in my friend’s car last night.
The man being interviewed was trying to convince that her service was for us and that her job was hard. Lots of walking, lots of standing around, small talk etc. Guess this explains why so many choose to work for Amazon where you have to pee into bottles in the warehouse to keep up.
That and them being nonces. Even William hasn’t beaten the Mountbatten itch completely.
RIP? More just she’s gorn.

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Sep 9 2022 6:24 utc | 166

Comment of the day for me
“I suppose if I just confirmed Liz Truss as the new PM, I would just give up on life too.”
Also watched an Argentine TV presenter crack open the bubbly, I felt the same when Thatcher went (she stole my milk!).

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Sep 9 2022 6:33 utc | 167

There’s an old custom in the West, and a good one: Do not speak ill of the dead!!
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 1:03 utc | 129
It’s not a custom, it’s a saying or expression, and not necessarily a good one. It’s better to be truthful.
It’s perfectly fine to speak ill of the dead if you expressed that while they were living.
If you wait until someone is dead before saying anything you are a hypocrite or a coward or both
and should stfu. Same for extolling virtue simply because someone died. (e.g. John McCain)
I’ve quoted here in the past and agree with the line from Rob Urie that the queen should have been
stacking boxes in a Walmart warehouse years ago. I didn’t know her so have nothing to say about her,
but I have zero respect and infinite contempt for British royalty (and most other monarchies). They’re
a lineage of inbred slackers who have perpetrated untold and unforgivable misery on the world for
hundreds of years.
King Chuck? Give him a tin cup and a box of pencils and chuck him out onto the street!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 9 2022 6:42 utc | 168

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha >> Windsor
Battenberg >> Mountbatten
Just a name change, the British ‘royalty’ is a continuation of German ‘royalty.’

Posted by: mnra | Sep 9 2022 6:43 utc | 169

“This means that Charles is now King. He is the imbecile who cheated on a hot babe like Diana with a hag named Camella.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Sep 8 2022 17:50 utc | 2”
Alternatively, it could be because Diana had such a toxic personality that the less comely Camilla was more attractive to him. Remember, behind every beautiful woman there’s a man tired of her shit.

Posted by: Gigo | Sep 9 2022 6:45 utc | 170

Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 5:21 utc | 166
As head of state of many countries she has signed off on much shit. Nice old lady.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 6:50 utc | 171

King Charles III should seize full power and Truss should go.

Posted by: HP | Sep 9 2022 6:59 utc | 172

Imagine if The Queen had had to approve Jeremy Corbyn as the new PM a few years back instead of that atrocious schmuck Boris Johnson, or the new brain-dead warmongering Truss

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 9 2022 7:26 utc | 173

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 6:50 utc | 177
Yep, sure. I guess what I’m saying is that the signing off is a formality and there are usually other more significant plotters to begin with. In the case of our country, Fraser, Kerr and the CIA … the latter being the most important.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 7:36 utc | 174

Anyway, aren’t any Australians going to quote Menzies’ sick-making poetic moment with Liz? I suppose it’s too embarrassing for us …

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 7:43 utc | 175

I always mix up the date of the Whitlam dismissal, I knew it was later than Pete’s ’73 so I had a punt on ’74 but quuite frankly it’s a blur as for many Australians the act by the queen who could have over-ruled Kerr at any time and failed to do so (that was the content of many of the messages which TRW employee Christopher Boyce collected & tried to pass to Russia) because the englanders were more worried about not further upsetting amerika, at that time pissed at england when they elected to stay outta Vietnam (itself a payback for Suez) than they were at the obvious negation of Australia’s facade of a democracy.
Anyone who imagines that brenda had no idea or paid little attention to that travesty clearly fails to comprehend why it is that the englander monarch meets with the englander prime minister every week. Tho I spose it is true that many englanders have been conned into believing swapping recipes for corgi al fresco is the sole purpose. This was why the buckingham palace deadheads devised that crazy plan to make chuck, an aging prince with SFA to do, the governor general of Australia.
Allegedly some more politically aware type in Whitehall scotched that incredibly stupid idea. Back then the way australians felt about the dismissal, guaranteed that at best Chuck would be greeted with an egging every time he came outta the government house bunker, at worst a bullet. The project was cancelled as only a pom would consider fixing Australia’s rupture from england by installing a pommie GG in Australia to be a ‘good idea’.
Remember this was back when amerika considered colour revolutions too labour intensive & tiresome a way to ensure their theft of resources could continue unabated, so they ran coups across the top of a nation’s administration. What happened to Dinh in south vietnam and Mossadagh in Iran were typical examples of the imperial scheming.
Once the Whitlam government demonstrated that they had put together financial support from the ME to keep the government solvent whilst they ‘bought back the farm’, I.E. chased rapacious agriculture and mining corporations out of Oz making sure that Australians were the beneficiaries of Australia’s resources rather than a bunch of shareholders in New York & London, the elites of both nations decided the Whitlam government had to go. They did that and earned the enmity of thinking Australians ever since.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 9 2022 7:45 utc | 176

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 9 2022 7:45 utc | 182
Let me be explicit. I believe that ERII did not have any primary or active role in getting rid of Whitlam. Yes, Kerr would have consulted with her and she would have had to say that she was OK with him breaking the convention that the Governor General must act only on the advice of the Prime Minister. She, or her advisers, had to sign off on that — informally. But I do not believe that she was in any way the impetus for the dismissal. Whitlam had a shitload of enemies, including the entire Australian media and business classes and the Americans. We don’t need Liz for anything other than letting Kerr know she won’t chuck a spaz if he plays games with convention.
This belief is not the same as thinking the British PM only discusses trivialities with the monarch.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 8:08 utc | 177

Charles and Camilla had history. On a personal level it’s something of a sad story.While you can question his taste,Diana always came across as a pop Royal.I was never sucked into the cult of personalty and psychosis that surrounded her death. As someone said above “good times make weak men”. I don’t see Charles III going beyond a decade.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 9 2022 8:08 utc | 178

Watching the BBC non-stop coverage of the momentous event, I was struck by how many, including the anchor, spoke of her ‘knowledge, wisdom, savvy, sense of duty, dignity’ etc. and how she was valued for those admirable qualities. If that is true, it is great pity that she was a constitutional monarch who merely reigned rather than ruled. For British political leaders in the latter years of her reign especially demonstrated repeatedly how much they lacked those same qualities and how little they were guided by any of them.

Posted by: Wilfrid | Sep 9 2022 8:11 utc | 179

I found this via Caitlan Johnstone’s twitter account.
bizarre is right.
ah, the insignificance and irrelevance of the BBC!
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1567926830035832833
Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
“Utterly bizarre moment here when BBC’s Clive Myrie essentially says millions facing fuel poverty this year is ‘insignificant’ compared to news about the Queen. Just shows a complete disregard for potential suffering of millions.
At least he was corrected somewhat by colleague.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 9 2022 8:34 utc | 180

Whatever one may think of monarchy in general and Elizabeth in particular – she’s been around for so long that most folks cannot remember a time when she wasn’t the Queen. So long indeed that she has become a symbol, a symbol for a Europe that in my opinion has since ceased to exist. Neither she nor that old Europe is ever going to come back, and maybe the realization of that fact is what struck people at the news of her death. It sure is pompous to talk about the ‘end of an era’, but that is essentially what it is. And while most of us can live pretty well without a queen, seeing Europe going down the drain sure hurts.

Posted by: Kath | Sep 9 2022 8:35 utc | 181

There are constants in your life that never seem to go away. They were and are always with you.
You see people come and go, great people, important people.
And then there are people where the world, the entire world, pauses when they leave.
This happened today, as one constant of our lives vanished from the realm of the living.
Rest gently …

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Sep 9 2022 8:58 utc | 182

For those who doubt that the Queen was involved in Whitlam’s Dismissal. How do you explain this? New documents declassified a few years ago, show a twenty – something officious Charles specifically telling Kerr during a discussion around the time of the Dismissal to sack Whitlam. Do you really think Charles would have the audacity to do this , at his young age and without formal authority, if it wasn’t already the stated intention of the Queen as well? Even if the Queen did not plan it or demand it, she sure went along with it. Whitlam was against the rape of Australia and no American or UK leader could stomach that !

Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 9 2022 9:29 utc | 183

Herr Ringbone you miss the point entirely unsuprising as many of us here have. The queen’s full time job involved in putting a nice smiling acceptable face on the unacceptable. The crimes against Australia she was party to pale into insignificance when considered against the dreadful killings of millions of decent human beings. Her ‘doing her job’ of making the englander empire aka ‘commonwealth’ seem like a friendly decent organisation, when in fact it is a rapacious greedy murderous cabal of arseholes many of whom’s history dates back over one thousand years. The slaughter in Kenya, the horror of starving children by the millions in Biafra were but two of many crimes committed & concealed during her reign.
Once the aristos and then later to a much lesser extent ordinary brits, wrested control of england from the monarchy, it was decided to keep these canaries in a gilded cage on for an entirely different reason. That was to conceal the truth about greedy, gutless capitalism secret from otherwise thinking & caring human beings, her subjects by using her as the front for the indescribably ugly back of the robber barons and their ever increasing circle of equally sociopathic ‘friends’.
You can be a self-blinded person who tells themselves that ‘she didn’t know’ all you like but the rest of us cognisant of the reality that brenda was neither stupid nor ignorant prefer the truth. The truth is that she cannot help but to have known what crimes her act was used to conceal. There would have been far too many odd situations; ‘coincidences’ if you will, times of ‘loose lips’ around her, for that woman not to have worked out exactly what the purpose of her and her family called ‘the firm’ was.
If she were actually the decent caring human she projected, she would have blown the whistle long before. Even worse she has turned this deceit into a family industry, her second son andrew is rightly reviled for his pedophilia however compared to his role in selling death machines to Saudis in order to keep the rightful owners of Saudis oilfields repressed and aid england’s role in the destruction of Yemen, makes the horrors of andrew’s sleazy, unconscionable sex perversions seem like small potatoes.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 9 2022 9:47 utc | 184

I know I will be blocked, but I have to try.

Sir John Stevens
Metropolitan Police Commissioner
(Correos certificado 05291ES) 12 January 2004
Diana Spencer Inquest
Dear Sir,
Further to my copy letter to Sir Michael Peat of 16 November 2002.
I understand you have been charged by royal coroner Michael Burgess to look into the possibility that Diana’s death was other than a simple traffic accident. I have information that may be of assistance when making your enquiries.
My information concerns motive. Why would anyone want to murder the princess? And my answer is, the Treason Felony Act of 1848, as re-affirmed on 26 June 2003 by the High Court of England and Wales, viz:
3. Offences herein mentioned declared to be felonies
…If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, compass, imagine, invent, devise or to deprive or depose our Most Gracious Lady the Queen, …from the style, honour, or royal name of the imperial crown of the United Kingdom, or of any other of her Majesty’s dominions and countries, or to levy war against her Majesty, …within any part of the United Kingdom, in order by force or constraint to compel her… to change her… measures of counsels, or in order to put any force or constraint upon her or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament, or to move or stir any foreigner or stranger with force to invade the United Kingdom or any other of her Majesty’s dominions or countries under the obeisance of her Majesty… and such compassings, imaginations, inventions, devices, or intentions, or any of them, shall express, utter, or declare, by publishing any printing or writing, …or by any overt act or deed, every person so offending shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, …to be transported beyond the seas for the term of his or her natural life.
As you can see, this law grants unlimited powers to our Most Gracious Lady the Queen. So long as Diana was alive Charles was not free to marry. If Charles wanted these dictatorial powers for himself he had first to be rid of his wife once and for all. I’m afraid it has all happened before (in 1936 and 1952) and not only with Henry VIII.
Yours faithfully,
John Cleary BScMAMBA
cc Mrs E. Windsor (ref. your Coronation Oath sworn 2 June 1953)
Michael Burgess

And now this:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/camilla-to-be-crowned-queen-beside-king-charles-iii-at-his-coronation

Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 9 2022 9:48 utc | 185

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 8 2022 23:10 utc | 108
Only if the English part includes Jewish. Princess Katherine is Jewish via her own mother’s great ? grandmother. I looked up the family tree a few years ago.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 9 2022 9:49 utc | 186

For all those fawning over the Royal Witch because she was born into her Royal Shoes:
Well, aren’t we all born into our shoes? What happened to free will and individual freedom of choice?
I seem to distinctively remember one King Edward VIII who abdicated in favor of marrying his Jewish consort.
Now that brings up some interesting historical facts. Could it be that this Jewish wife was sent to effect this Royal Change in anticipation of the Royal War against Germany? Because his Royal Highness was just a little bit too friendly with Adolf? And he might of put a Royal Stop to the Royal War aka WW2?!?
Food for thought.

Posted by: Sam Smith | Sep 9 2022 10:04 utc | 187

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 9 2022 1:05 utc | 130
Peter? You mention three names. Which of them did you meet personally? Also as a bonus maybe, please tell us why you didn’t like them?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 9 2022 10:04 utc | 188

Sorry that Elizabeth didn’t get to enjoy any proper retirement, but she wanted to help the country cope with Brexit and then became determined to see Boris “worst PM I’ve known*, off. This week must have given her a sense of closure and comoletion.
But then came the shock of actually meeting Truss and having to accept that someone like this could become Prime Minister. Then hearing of her boundless borrowing and the market’s response. Too much. In one day she let a man who grossly abused his rhetorical talents and a woman who seems barely to have enough English to pass a citizenship exam. Too little to carry on for.

Posted by: Arcanhac | Sep 9 2022 10:17 utc | 189

The angels are singing for the innocent souls killed by this old fart..A terribile human being is gone,let’s hope her pedo-succesor will die soon as well.

Posted by: LuBa | Sep 9 2022 10:31 utc | 190

John Cleary | Sep 9 2022 9:48 utc | 191
Yah!
I for one wanted to see a post from the Clear eyed Cleary.
I miss your posts.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 9 2022 10:35 utc | 191

Posted by: mnra | Sep 8 2022 18:56 utc | 43
Queen’s Husband ? Not a drop of ethnic Greek blood at all. All Germano ,British Danish etc. Only “Greek” by birth of his father and grandfather from memory, all after 1860. Still, more Greek than Trump or almost all of the Neocons are American.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Sep 9 2022 10:38 utc | 192

“…”I suppose if I just confirmed Liz Truss as the new PM, I would just give up on life too.”
Yep.
Debsisdead | Sep 9 2022 7:45 utc | 182
“……Anyone who imagines that brenda had no idea or paid little attention to that travesty clearly fails to comprehend why it is that the englander monarch meets with the englander prime minister every week.”
=Yep.
“……whilst they ‘bought back the farm’, I.E. chased rapacious agriculture and mining corporations out of Oz making sure that Australians were the beneficiaries of Australia’s resources rather than a bunch of shareholders in New York & London, the elites of both nations decided the Whitlam government had to go. “
= Yep.
Bob | Sep 9 2022 8:08 utc | 184
“…don’t see Charles III going beyond a decade.”
Yep.
Wilfrid | Sep 9 2022 8:11 utc | 185
“……how many, including the anchor, spoke of her ‘knowledge, wisdom, savvy, sense of duty, dignity’ etc. “
§ it’s called “talking points” and they are circulated to media by PR teams.
And if you don’t realise this is all a full staged fully scripted kabuki production… you’re in the wrong bar…
Kath | Sep 9 2022 8:35 utc | 187
“……end of an era”.
It really is. WW3 is under. And she’s a relic from WW2.
As the energy poverty consumes the UK and Europe in the next decade…. Her reign will be seen as a Golden Age.
Brother Ma | Sep 9 2022 9:29 utc | 189
“………For those who doubt that the Queen was involved in Whitlam’s Dismissal. How do you explain this?………
Bro. Anyone who’s paid attention knows what’s up.
The poster simping for Liz is telling us what he “believes”.
Believe in the tooth fairy and Easter Bunnys.
The Dismissal is rather more dirty and gritty than a glossy, gilded belief in the sanctity of the monarchy.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 9 2022 11:02 utc | 193

I’m baffled at all these people claiming that the queen “didn’t have any real political power”.
That’s utter nonsense. Her husband, Prince Philip, helped form the Council of Rome, Bilderberg, the WEF, the WWF (which shares a lot of responsibility for crafting “The Green Revolution” and “The Great Reset,” among other iniatives), and any number of shifty foundations and secret clubs where only the politically powerful (but ya hafta lean Fascist!) and extremely wealthy and/or aristocratic people were invited.
The idea that she herself doesn’t wield power…ever heard of “The House of Lords”? Ever heard of that Good Ol’ Boys’ club “The British Aristocracy”? “Landed nobles”? That exclusive group of people are riddled throughout the British military, police, and intelligence agencies, as well as occupying many of the highest offices throughout the British government and the NGO landscape.
They all answer to her. They all quite literally swear an oath of allegiance to do her bidding whenever they take office or convene. To openly act against her expressed wishes is to literally commit treason.
The woman was secretive and kept to herself, but the idea that she didn’t wield enormous political power is just absurd; there are too many examples in the world that prove it, as well.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 9 2022 11:32 utc | 194

imo | Sep 9 2022 3:08 utc | 153
Indeed. There was once a general sentiment in Australia that once QE II dropped off the perch then the country would go to a Republic with its own elected/selected Governor Gen/President head of state. Now, I’m not so sure in these ‘interesting times.’
******************
Arguably Australians have no choice, they will have to grow up, bite the bullet and undertake a constitutional creation process. Australia’s alleged written constitution is no constitution at all. It was part of an imperial UK statute that ceased to apply once Australia became a sovereign nation. That occurred when Australian signed the Versailles Treaty. It was reinforced by Australia becoming a member of the League of Nations and again when Australia became a member of the United Nations.
Swearing or affirming allegiance to a foreign Head of State, as QEII was, is not only ridiculous, it is treason.
Australia’s “system” of governance is ultra vires and a sham as ScoMo’s secret ministerial appointments and the secret dismissal of the Whitlam government evidence: THE MONKEY OR THE ORGAN GRINDER? http://abundanthope.net/pages/Ron_71/THE_MONKEY_OR_THE_ORGAN_GRINDER_2941.shtml
The political penchant for secrecy demonstrated by ScoMo’s plot is integral to continuation of Australia’s fraudulent governance arrangements. That must stop.
A valid Constitution must be agreed to by all Australians and not left to the covert care of a self interested elitist population segment.
Establishing a valid Constitution requires a prolonged educational consultation process involving all Australians. Pretending that consultations with special interest segments of the population such as the Vision campaign envisages, is sufficient, manipulative and deceitful.

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 9 2022 12:38 utc | 195

Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 3:14 utc | 154
Everything that is born at some point dies.
Anything that is not born does not die.
Anything not born has no beginning or end.
What exists without beginning or end, no birth or death?
******************
Arguably the Urantia Book answers these questions.
Spirits are fragments of the Creator and can be said to have a beginning but no end.
there are two kinds of spirits,namely descending or Celestial spirits and ascending spirits aka human beings.
Descending spirits do not die but can choose to cease to exist and occasionally do. For instance, Lucifer chose uncreation rather than undergoing rehabilitation.
A HUman (Higher Universal)man is created when a born individual develops sufficient thinking ability to start making individual moral decisions. At that point the Creator infuses that individual with a fragment of Creator consciousness, an indwelling God spark that, if heeded, can guide the individual’s decision making. However, that God spark does not fuse with and become one with the individual until and unless s/he consciously chooses to always live and be guided by his/her indwelling God spark.
When an individual human being fuses with his/her God spark s/he becomes an eternal spirit. Thereafter that individual may die physically but his/her spirit lives forever, usually incarnating from time to time.

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 9 2022 13:01 utc | 196

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OzymdJ03c
Will upset the many detractors here, but an interesting intelligently worded take by Tucker Carlson. Trigger warning: he says nice things about the British Empire!
Ukraine is not about Ukraine.
Trump is not about Trump.
The Queen is not about the Queen.
Very few people seem to be able to grok this.
Which says a lot about our time…

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 13:03 utc | 197

horseguards | Sep 9 2022 1:07 utc | 131
😀
“Pass the sick-bag.”
I will, but I have to warn you, it’s got the union jack on it…
—
Very interesting thread to read, the bar at its best! Thanks everyone.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 9 2022 14:38 utc | 198

When an individual human being fuses with his/her God spark s/he becomes an eternal spirit. Thereafter that individual may die physically but his/her spirit lives forever, usually incarnating from time to time.
Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 9 2022 13:01 utc | 202
Thank you for that reply.
Not to argue with any of your expression but just to point out :
My premise / conditions / postulates & question:
Everything that is born at some point dies.
Anything that is not born does not die.
Anything not born has no beginning or end.
What exists without beginning or end, no birth or death?
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Your response (part of) :

Spirits are fragments of the Creator and can be said to have a beginning but no end.
You rejected the premise!
But it was an interesting reply.
My answer – in this QEII context – would be ‘royalty’ or ‘majesty.’ These are similar, I suggest, to your God sparks or Spirits. At least they are considered so in Shinto and other old pagan views. (words always tricky!)
Another ordinary term might be ‘qualities.’ Royalty is a quality that is perceived/experienced but has no form or substance and thus no beginning or end.
An individual person can take a vow to serve or manifest a certain way for the rest of their life thus joining with the quality in question; although that born individual, such as Elizabeth, will die however the royalty will not.
There are endless qualities, sacred and profane, mundane and refined. Colors are visual qualities which neither exist nor do not exist dwelling – if you can call it that – only in the realm of experience.
Experiencing itself is a quality, in the case of sentient beings, and as such is also without beginning or end although for us to be aware of it we need mortal bodies, just like for us to perceive royalty we need both a mortal person to display it and the positive motivation to perceive it.
The perception of royalty involves sacred perception in the context of leadership. Sacred perception is as old as the very first breath, cry or human being. Royal leadership is ancient in human societies beyond the measurement of historians groping in the dark piecing together scattered bone fragments from times long faded from memory or lore. But it still exists and always will – for it is without beginning or end.
Ancient traditions, though imperfectly practiced, should not be thrown away lightly rather examined with respect and profundity. Then they can be repaired, polished and brought back shining once again into good use. Endless progressivism without continuity with the past leads always and ever only to descent, regimes with too frequent births and deaths which serve their people ill.
I suspect Putin feels this way about Russian royalty as perhaps do many Russian Orthodox Christians. There may not be Romanovs to fulfill the role any more but if the polity is ready they can make a new model (non-hereditary) or designate a new royal family and related class. But Russia increasingly feels like a nation which appreciates sacred perception generally and therefore at some point will find a way to merge that perception, or quality, with the role of Head of State thereby making it a sacred realm beyond birth and death for such a realm exists principally in the undying qualitative, not any temporal, domain.
The Windsors embody some of this timeless tradition but since Cromwell have been hobbled along with Europe as a whole by much earlier religious schisms, not least including the East & West Roman Empire fallout. Such schisms block a people’s collective ability to experience sacred awareness and related high culture.
Maybe Charles III harbors ambitions to restore some of those aspects. If so, best he not voice them out loud lest such subtle, immaterial qualities get buried under the clamor of mortal preoccupations, prejudices and today’s materialist superstitions. Rather he should display the qualities nakedly if he can – which remains to be seen and obviously these days is unlikely (witness the comments in this thread!) – and let the chips fall where they may. Such things are as much in the hands of the gods as men!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 9 2022 14:40 utc | 199

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 9 2022 12:38 utc | 201

Swearing or affirming allegiance to a foreign Head of State, as QEII was, is not only ridiculous, it is treason.

But as far as Australia is concerned, she wasn’t a “foreign head of state”, she was the Queen of Australia.
Not the UK. Australia.
A person or institution can be more than one thing at once. This is especially the case in law.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Sep 9 2022 15:02 utc | 200

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