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September 15, 2022
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News and views NOT related to the Ukraine conflict …
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The European Union Wundercrats dismantling the aluminum industry, mining and smelting in general is another thing dismantling the illusions of green energy. But it was all in the RAND paper, the Greens are useful idiots, eh. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2022 9:17 utc | 101 https://www.voltairenet.org/article217976.html Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 16 2022 10:09 utc | 102 Dead Queen Worship Magick Covid Immunity. Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 16 2022 10:26 utc | 103 Asking for a friend who doesn’t have a Covid ‘passport’ because they had and recovered from Covid twice and considers that to infer full immunity better than some endless nouveaux vaccines – but isn’t allowed to travel. Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 11:06 utc | 104 O tempora, o mores!
The film ends with a “post-title sequence”, showing the discovery of the Watergate burglary by security guard Frank Wills, which was further exposed by the Post and ultimately led to Nixon’s resignation. The camera zooms in on the door. In large letters it says “Democratic National Committee”. We all know how this ended in the 1970s. The good guys won and the bad guys were fired or sent to prison. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 16 2022 11:42 utc | 105 @ Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 16 2022 12:04 utc | 106 So in the tail end of the ‘Kherson Offensive neither success nor failure’ thread, I mused about the referenced video of Austria’s Colonel Reisner and his recent switch to head the ceremonial guard. Also linked to the Wikipedia entry on Western Ukraine wherein a remark is written about the history of Western Ukraine, it going to the Austria-Hungarian empire while central and eastern Ukraine were Russian domain, post-Poland partition. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 16 2022 12:21 utc | 107 It is a LIE and it is evident by the militaristic broohaha about a dead Queen of the Evil Empire run by murderous secretive ghoul ancient aristos and henchfolk. Given that Iran is about to join the SCO, of which Russia and China are leaders, how does this alter the strategic alliance between Russia and ‘israel’? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 16 2022 12:29 utc | 109 @Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 16 2022 10:09 utc | 104 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 16 2022 14:12 utc | 110 @Ghost of Mozgovoy #64 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 14:16 utc | 111 Scorpion @ 84 Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2022 14:19 utc | 112 @Cabe #82 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 14:20 utc | 113 @Petri Krohn #91 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 14:24 utc | 114 @Paul Greenwood #102 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 14:26 utc | 115 My last note for now on the supposed RAND document: Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 14:33 utc | 116 He is from the same families he writes about. That is how he knows what he knows. If we knew why his persona was created and why it is funded and why it is permitted we would know a lot. Oops… MICI = Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 15:03 utc | 118 Sweden Democrats – far right political party – wins as part of coalition in Sweden
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 15:34 utc | 119 Samarkand SCO Summit is now history. All of Putin’s many interactions are available at Kremlin website. The collective and very important “Samarkand Declaration of the Council of Heads of State of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization” again reiterates what’s important. Here’s its Preamble:
More to follow. Putin’s speech during the Meeting of the Council of Heads of State of the SCO Member States. Some selected excerpts:
I’ll note that this speech is one of Putin’s shortest. 1001: true false false true Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 16 2022 15:53 utc | 122 Christoforou’s clown world today: van der Crazy talking about the “Russian military taking chips from dishwashers”:
Note above article is from April 2022. Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 15:58 utc | 123 @Sunny Runny Burger #124 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 16:01 utc | 124 Note above article is from April 2022. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 16 2022 16:06 utc | 125 @c1ue | Sep 16 2022 16:01 utc | 126 Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2022 16:08 utc | 126 I think the purpose of the “Rand Document” is to discredit the narrative that the US wants to separate the EU from Asia in order to plunder it, by getting ahead of the story in order to call it a conspiracy theory. Not the first time. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 16 2022 16:11 utc | 127 SCO Leaders Sign Samarkand Declaration (RIA Novosti, September 16, 2022 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Sep 16 2022 16:15 utc | 128 An observational note: I recently obtained a copy of Hudson’s revised edition of Global Fracture which was intended as the sequel to Super Imperialism and examines the attempt to launch a New Economic Order during the latter 1970s, with the new Introduction examining the failures and their reasons. Hudson also tells us what the Outlaw US Empire did in retaliation to that effort which is very helpful as many of those methods are being employed today. Note how Putin in his speech again voices the notion that the coming Multipolar World–the newest effort at establishing a New Economic Order–is “irreversible.” It is the conflict/struggle to establish the new and oust the old that Hudson says is at root which many of us are now beginning to understand and accept. We are also beginning to understand that this process will take years to become finalized and that Ukraine is but one action happening amongst many that will occur during this conflict as the Outlaw US Empire isn’t going to lay down and surrender–it must be forced to concede as it won’t agree to anything limiting its unipolarity or unilateralism. And that is also something we must accept–look at the lives its “sacrificing” in Ukraine to continue its dominance. And those deaths are another thing we must accept as part of our struggle, although we’d rather they weren’t necessary. Unfortunately, the Outlaw US Empire is the one feeding that killing machine as I wrote last night. Declared 2023 to be the Year of Tourism. Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2022 16:21 utc | 130 President Xi made some rather direct remarks today at the SCO summit. He warned of foreign organizations trying to start color revolutions in SCO countries and said that the SCO is fighting evil powers. Posted by: Nico | Sep 16 2022 16:44 utc | 131 Scorpion @ 119 Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2022 17:30 utc | 132 Bloomberg reports:
Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2022 17:52 utc | 133 To c1ue at Sep 16 2022 16:01 utc:
Since the document with its content is already making waves shouldn’t this be considered a fact? Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 16 2022 18:08 utc | 134 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2022 15:34 utc | 121 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2022 18:10 utc | 135 So I have confirmation in personal experience that much of Mathis is real. And lots of it is BS. Regarding Dylan, the story of his early success makes no sense at all unless there is an outside source of power. Mathis’ take on the Zimmerman family is at least plausible though I aam not going to believe or vouch for much. Thierry Meysann is writing about the Straussians again. And it is worth reading, which is nmore than can be said for a lot of stuff… Posted by: bevin | Sep 16 2022 19:58 utc | 137 Possibly better to put this here.
b, the last time I took Bevin to task for telling his repeated lies about the Windsors, you decided to ban me for being off-topic, but not him for introducing the material in the first place.
https://archive.ph/i3WEL#selection-1059.0-1155.268 Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 21:01 utc | 138 John Cleary @140– Just for completeness:
Both from wikipedia.
So who is the joker, bevin? Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 21:23 utc | 140 I am not yet convinced, for example, that the conflict in Ukraine is a real one. Most likely it is, but even so quite possibly the warring parties are in league for a hidden purpose. One never really knows… Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 16 2022 21:25 utc | 141 Hello Karl. Hope you are well. Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 21:28 utc | 142 what would it take to convince you this is a real conflict. To try and distill all the SCO-related articles published today by Global Times would be a waste of my time and MoA bandwidth since just clicking the link and reading them would be far easier and productive. In the article recapping Xi’s speeches, I’d like to highlight the SCO’s emphasis on countering terrorism. IMO, this is used as a euphemism as the Outlaw US Empire/NATO are the world’s primary sponsors of terrorism which is used to destabilize nations and provide the basis for NATO’s Color Revolutions. I should further note that the first Neoliberal Era use of the terrorism/Color Revolution combo was in Chile to undermine one of the initial attempts at taking a political-economic path differing from the Washington Consensus (previous post-WW2 coups were of the “traditional” Imperialist mode) and became the template for future acts of terrorism, particularly the asset stripping aspect that we see again in Ukraine. Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 21:28 utc | 144 John Cleary @144– Scorpion, Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 22:44 utc | 147 Today’s Strategic Culture Foundation editorial based on the SCO Summit provides a Big Picture overview of the where we are, where we’re going sort. The writer provides the following paragraph which I’d like to deconstruct: Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 21:52 utc | 145 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 16 2022 22:56 utc | 149 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 16 2022 16:06 utc | 127 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 16 2022 23:03 utc | 150 Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 16 2022 22:44 utc | 149 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 16 2022 23:26 utc | 152 “For thirty years, this document has been patiently implemented…”
That explains a great deal! Posted by: John Cleary | Sep 17 2022 0:02 utc | 154 Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 23:28 utc | 155 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2022 0:33 utc | 155 Scorpion Posted by: bevin | Sep 17 2022 1:36 utc | 156 Below is a quote from a ZH posting that many of us here at the bar saw earlier
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 17 2022 2:05 utc | 157 much of this occurred before the wave of immigration in the 20th century that included some jews. @Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 2:53 utc | 160 Posted by: too scents | Sep 17 2022 3:04 utc | 159 (Did you live in Chelsea Square, as a child, Scorpion?) Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 2:53 utc | 160 Posted by: RTX | Sep 17 2022 3:19 utc | 161 Egalitarianism I think is the biggest one, specifically equality of the sexes. Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 16 2022 20:06 utc | 133 Posted by: JC | Sep 17 2022 3:32 utc | 163 Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 3:29 utc | 164 Posted by: RTX | Sep 17 2022 3:36 utc | 164 Every Labour prime minister since Wilson has fucked us, the people, up the arse. Posted by: JC | Sep 17 2022 3:32 utc | 165 Posted by: JC | Sep 17 2022 3:42 utc | 166 (too much “Middle Way” leads to stagnation) Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen had a baby. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 17 2022 4:02 utc | 168 Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 4:00 utc | 169 Posted by: RTX | Sep 17 2022 4:33 utc | 169 There is no unambiguous metric for happiness of which I’m aware. Transnational policing gone wild: 110 overseas police posts existing today Posted by: Antonym | Sep 17 2022 5:10 utc | 171 Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 2:53 utc | 160 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2022 5:44 utc | 172 nope it’s not in the article that Bevin linked to, Scorpion. would you like to provide source for this article claiming that jews steered the US into Civil War after trying to assassinate Jackson? or influenced the US to invade Mexico. how about all the other invasions? how about the war on the native americans? jews? Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2022 5:49 utc | 173 dunno about wiki, but Lawrence sounds like he was insane, e.g. Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2022 5:55 utc | 174 No wonder the US has to go outsourcing Posted by: jpc | Sep 17 2022 5:56 utc | 175 Posted by: RTX | Sep 17 2022 3:36 utc | 166 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2022 5:57 utc | 176 Antonym | Sep 17 2022 5:10 utc | 173
Posted by: too scents | Sep 17 2022 6:42 utc | 177 Martin Sonneborn to Ursula: Posted by: YK | Sep 17 2022 7:17 utc | 178 @ RTX | 166 Posted by: Antonym | Sep 17 2022 7:48 utc | 179 @ too scents | 179 Posted by: Antonym | Sep 17 2022 7:58 utc | 180 We are about a century too soon for healthy globalism, as MNCs and other monoliths have to be tackled first. When most nations have discovered their souls above their egos the Earth will be ready. Posted by: K | Sep 17 2022 8:04 utc | 181 Christoforou’s clown world today: van der Crazy talking about the “Russian military taking chips from dishwashers”: Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 17 2022 8:48 utc | 182 Hi pretzelattack, Synonym, Posted by: RTX | Sep 17 2022 8:56 utc | 183 @ pretzelattack (151)
I hope that is the case, because fellow ‘Republicofscotland’ shared on another thread a PressTV article Posted by: joey_n | Sep 17 2022 8:57 utc | 185 nope it’s not in the article that Bevin linked to, Scorpion. would you like to provide source for this article claiming that jews steered the US into Civil War after trying to assassinate Jackson? or influenced the US to invade Mexico. how about all the other invasions? how about the war on the native americans? jews? Healthy nationalism is the need of the decade. Hitler tried to smear nationalism by warping it into nati-egoism, while dragging socialism down too. Nations can be healthy entities, like a biological biome / niche that nurtures one or a few tolerant cultures. An intolerant culture should stay within its borders. Perhaps I’m still not understanding, in which case apologies all round. Head trips are often used to trick people into following with their hearts and therein perhaps is the deception-based source of all deviltry. Posted by: juliania | Sep 17 2022 13:55 utc | 189 @Sunny Runny Burger #136 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 17 2022 14:00 utc | 190 @unimperator #137 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 17 2022 14:02 utc | 191 @Bemildred #127 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 17 2022 14:13 utc | 192 @Antonym #181
As Acton said:
The EU bureaucrats are demonstrating, right now, just how crap an idea world government (i.e. world bureaucracy) is. Posted by: c1ue | Sep 17 2022 14:18 utc | 193 My view is that IoT is used more and more because of crapification: it is a lot more effort and expense to make a mechanical control system than a digital one – digital ones are much less able to hold up over time. And that’s an extra bonus since it means the device has to be replaced sooner instead of being used 30 years or more… Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 17 2022 14:38 utc | 194 I’m a little miffed with this Straussian business though because it pushes the notion that the US, aka America, is bent on being a hegemon. True, but it’s really the Straussians who are pulling the strings… Posted by: juliania | Sep 17 2022 14:54 utc | 195 Unfortunately for some, it’s not what they want to do, because in the heart there is conscience and those other things like courage, and love. Even virtue. The brain doesn’t deal with those things so it’s a more comfortable place for some folk – success and power are brain things. But so is madness. By the above @ 197 I meant ‘Plato is always linked with Aristotle…’ Sorry if that was confusing. Posted by: juliania | Sep 17 2022 15:06 utc | 197 Putin’s Presser at SCO conference yesterday: Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 17:00 utc | 198 Given b’s latest deletes of comments by tiroler (falco and chessplayer) from his most recent thread, Ukraine-Dissecting -Addendum, I thought I’d start my weekend here in Montréal with taking a quick browse of the news from Tyrol. I hear it’s nice there this time of year (and so confirms the National Geographic with its just released list of top activities for Italy’s adventure capital Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 17 2022 17:13 utc | 199 @ Scorpion | Sep 17 2022 15:01 utc | 198 with the bit about gut doing some thinking
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