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August 15, 2022

Various Points On Ukraine And Media

Let me start today's write up out with two reading recommendations.

Lambert Strether and Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism discuss a piece on the Russian operation in Ukraine that had been printed in the Marine Corps Gazette and of which facsimile pictures were published two weeks ago on Twitter and later in full at Reddit and by Southfront.

A Marine’s Assessment of Russia’s Military “Operation” in Ukraine (a “Profound Appreciation of All Three Realms in Which Wars Are Waged”)

I had read the Gazette piece when it first appeared some weeks ago and found it excellent. It realistically depicts the early Russian move towards Kiev as a feint. This is also my view. The feint, with too few troops to actually occupy Kiev, had a political and a military purpose.

Politically it put pressure on the Ukrainian government to quickly agree to Russian conditions for a ceasefire. This nearly worked when negotiations between Russia and Ukraine at the end of March in Turkey had promising results. The talks were then sabotaged by Boris Johnson's intervention in Kiev where he, speaking for Joe Biden, demanded a continuation of the war which Zelensky then promptly provided.

Militarily the feint had near prefect results. Some 100,000 Ukrainian troops were fixed around Kiev while Russian troops from Crimea moved nearly unopposed to connect the island via a land bridge to the Donbas and Russia and also grabbed a large foothold in Kherson on the west side of the Dnieper.

The hasty feint had a high price in the form of Russian casualties but helped to established front situations in the east and south that allowed for the mass destruction of Ukrainian forces with a minimum of casualties on the Russian side.

When the feint towards Kiev was no longer useful the Russian forces moved back to their starting positions without much fighting. The Ukrainian claimed that to be a victory but they had hardly anything to do with the well planned and executed retreat.

That the Gazette would print a piece that confirms this view is remarkable. Even more remarkable, as Lambert notes, is the lack of echo it has had in U.S. media:

This is August 14. “Marinus”‘s article in the August issue of MCG has been available since July 29 at the latest, the first hit at the Japanese source. The second hit appears on August 9, in a Russian-language aggregator. The third appears August 12, on Reddit. It’s been two weeks, and the media, collectively, have a ravenous news hole. So where is the coverage the Times? Where is the Washington Post? Where is Foreign Policy? Where is Foreign Affairs? Where is The Atlantic? Where is the Council on Foreign Relations? Where is the Institute for the Study of War? Where, further afield, is Defense One? The Drive? They are all silent. And yet what we have, as the quote in the headline to this post alone shows, is a significant break from orthodoxy on Ukraine and Russian capabilities generally in the professional magazine of the United States Marine Corps. Odd, very odd!

Indeed ...

Today I learned that the anonymous 'Marinus' author of the Marine Corps Gazette piece is allegedly the retired General Karl Van Riper who is well know for spoiling the Millennium Challenge war game by applying realistic conditions. The guy is hated by the chairborne divisions in the Pentagon. BTW - a facsimile of the first part of Marine Gazette piece is available here. Another excellent Gazette piece on the Russian way of fighting from January 2022 is here.

Still another excellent paper I found through a link at Naked Capitalism is by Myrmikan Research which looks at the historic context of the war through the centuries old British Russian rivalry: A World Gone MAD.

Now back to the daily business.

The New York Times continues its shameless pro-Ukrainian propaganda campaign that is deceiving its readers.

Wars are about geography and geography is depicted in maps.


Source: LiveUAmap - bigger
  • Kherson, the capital of Kherson oblast is at the bottom left and the northern side of the Dnieper river. It is like most of the Kherson oblast under Russian control.
  • Zaporizhzhia, the capital of the Zaporizhzhia oblast is on the upper right of the map. Most of the Zaporizhzhia oblast, south-east of the capitol, is under Russian control but Zaporizhzhia city continues to be under Ukrainian control.
  • The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station (ZNPP) with its six reactors is next to the city Enerhodar on the south side of the large Dnieper reservoir. Since mid March it is under Russian control. Despite the common name its beeline distance to Zaporizhzhia city is 50 kilometers (30 miles). The distance by road marked with the arrows is about 110 kilometer (66 miles).

The NYT does not provide any maps to its readers. That leaves them uninformed about the geographical realities of the war and is abused to provide lies to them.

Shelling on a nearby town kills an employee of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.

Shelling near a nuclear power complex in southern Ukraine killed a foreman from the facility at his home in a neighboring town, Ukrainian officials said on Sunday.

The Ukrainian company that oversees the nation’s nuclear power plants, Energoatom, said that Russia had directed at least six shells at the town of Enerhodar, where most of the workers at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant live.

The town is under Russian occupation, and the Russians have blamed the Ukrainians for the shelling of the giant nuclear complex — Europe’s largest — and nearby residential areas, which has raised alarm around the world. However, the Ukrainians have said that it is the Russians who are firing on civilians, suggesting the intent is to discredit the Ukrainian Army.

The claim that Russians are firing at the NPP or the nearby town is delusional. The Ukrainian president Zelensky himself has said that Ukraine is firing at the ZNPP because Russian soldiers are there.

Ukraine will target Russian soldiers at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, says Zelenskiy – video

The NYT continues:

The United States and European Union have called for the establishment of a demilitarized zone, as the fighting in and around the plant and its active reactors and stored nuclear waste has sparked grave concern that an errant strike and resulting fire could cause a meltdown or release radiation.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, said in his nightly address on Saturday that Russia had resorted to “nuclear blackmail” at the complex, reiterating a Ukrainian analysis that Moscow was using it to slow a Ukrainian counteroffensive toward the Russian-occupied city of Kherson, where Russian conventional military defenses appear increasingly wobbly.

Look at the map. The whole area around the plant is under Russian control. How can there be any 'fighting in or around the ZNPP'? There is none. There are only Ukrainian artillery impacts fired from the northern side of the Dnieper reservoir at the ZNPP.

There is also no way anything happening at the ZNPP that could ever 'slow' a Ukrainian counteroffensive on Kherson. A counteroffensive that for very different reasons can and will not happen.

More NYT nonsense:

Contrary to the fears of some analysts when Moscow launched its invasion in February, the more urgent nuclear threat in the Ukraine war now appears to be Russia damaging the civilian plant, rather than deploying its own nuclear weapons.

Russia has no discernible interest in damaging the ZNPP. The plant is under its full control and provides useful electricity to areas under Russian control as well as to the Ukrainian side:

In fields near Enerhodar, long lines of cars carrying fleeing civilians formed on Saturday, according to social media posts and another former engineer at the plant who has remained in touch with local residents.

“Locals are abandoning the town,” said the former engineer, who asked to be identified by only his first name, Oleksiy, because of security concerns. Residents had been leaving for weeks, but the pace picked up after Saturday’s barrages and fires, he said.
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Ukrainian employees are not fleeing but sending their families away, said Oleksiy, who left in June. Enerhodar was built for plant employees in the Soviet period and had a prewar population of about 50,000.

That alleged flight (observed by someone who isn't even there?) is also picked up in another recent NYT piece:

‘They are shooting day and night’: Civilians flee the contested region around a nuclear power complex.

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine — Increasingly frequent explosions near a vast nuclear complex in southern Ukraine and the shelling of a nearby town where many of the complex’s workers reside have accelerated a civilian exodus from the area.

About a thousand cars were backed up at a crossing point over the front line between Russian-controlled and Ukrainian-controlled territory, according to people interviewed on the Ukrainian side Sunday morning.

The flow of people fleeing picked up over the past week as explosions near the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant became more frequent, Dmytro Orlov, the exiled mayor of the town of Enerhodar, said in an interview. He said that Russian troops were firing grad rocket artillery from the town’s outskirts.

Russia has continued to blame the shelling on Ukrainian forces; Ukraine has said Russia is shelling territory Russia itself controls in a bid to discredit the Ukrainian Army.

The piece comes with three pictures.


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The caption to the above picture says:

Natalia Lytvenenko decided it was time to leave Blagoveshenko, a Russian-occupied territory nine miles from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, on Wednesday with three daughters and their grandmother. People have been trying to leave for the past week. David Guttenfelder for The New York Times

What I find curious about that picture is that there is no baggage visible inside the car. 'That's in the trunk', you will say. Sure, but people fleeing from home usually take as much as possible with them - several sets of clothing, jackets, household items, memorabilia, books, duvets etc. The kids for example would take at least some of their toys. Nothing of such is visible here.


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The caption to the above picture says:

Civilian cars lined up to try to reach a Ukrainian-controlled crossing into the city of Zaporizhzhia on Sunday. David Guttenfelder for The New York Times

If this is the 'crossing point over the front line between Russian-controlled and Ukrainian-controlled territory' described in the piece quoted above, then the picture must have been taken from the Russian controlled side. How did Mr Guttenfelder cross into that area?

But maybe it is a complete different checkpoint somewhere on the city limits of Zaporizhzhia and the people waiting to pass it are coming back from a weekend getaway. Notice again the lack of visible baggage.

Now here is the third and most interesting picture:


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The caption to the above picture says:

A Ukrainian couple driving through a checkpoint on the outskirts of the city of Zaporizhzhia on Sunday, toward Russian-controlled territory. Checkpoint authorities said that some Ukrainians were trying to help bring out those seeking to leave the Russian-controlled area. David Guttenfelder for The New York Times

Notice the baggage and household items on the car's roof. Now that's what I would call people fleeing form home to live elsewhere. But the caption suggests that these people 'help bring out those seeking to leave the Russian-controlled area'. Why then did they load up their car with probably everything they had?

The NYT 'coverage' of the Ukraine conflict has stopped to make any sense.

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Posted by: yawn | Aug 16 2022 3:08 utc | 97

Russia is winning. you need to start caring cause how the US and NATO react to this fact is going to make the world more dangerous for everybody, including you.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 16 2022 3:28 utc | 101

wow is that why he resigned? he seems like he is a very competent commander, no doubt that is why he is not listened to.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 16 2022 1:58 utc | 93

pretzelattack, yes. He said you have wasted $250 million.
The war game included participation of 13,500 personnel, and he performed valiantly. Some of the method he used were to send messages to the front via motorcycles ditching all electronics. He launched aircrafts via hand signal, again, no electronics that could be intercepted. He also used prayer houses/ mosques to convey messages at prayer time via the minarets. You could see the numbers — his achievements — above. Somebody posted them.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 16 2022 3:54 utc | 102

well, if there were more sane voices like his in the Pentagon maybe they would push back against some of the insane aggression driven most of all by the State Department and the White House. 250 million probably means nothing to those military commanders who had invested much of their career in the strategy he beat.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 16 2022 4:04 utc | 103

I think the pentagon does understand, based on the said war game. The good guys had their arse handed to them, and that was oh so 20 years ago, when Iran didn’t have current technology (read: drones, guided missiles, etc). That is why there has been much push back from pentagon when W43 and the orange guy asked to start the war.

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Jan 8 2020 — The day the empire died

To our military expert barflies,
Please, if I may.
Recently a drone captured video of Iranian rocket attack on Ein-al-asad base was released. It showed a formation of military vehicles outside of the base waiting for the attack to occur.
Can anyone tell how many soldiers are in that formation.
My contention is, that, the response for Soleimani’s murder, was far more effective, in that, it showed the hollowness/defenselessness of the forces waiting outside the base, and yet it didn’t kill anyone [as far as we know — there were a lot of head-traumas]. I mean the next day a humiliated emperor tweeted: “All is well!”
I want to know how many lives were saved, by the, shall we say, advance warning messaging.
Those forces had 8 hours to get the [] out of Dodge.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 16 2022 4:42 utc | 104

@ 1.

The full article is available online here:

The Russian Invasion of Ukraine – Part II: The mental and moral realms
Maneuverist Paper No.22 by Marinus
Marine Corps Gazette • August 2022

https://milterm-com.translate.goog/archives/2609?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Translated into Japanese, and re-translated back into English by Google, so there are some oddities due to the reverse translation, but these are quite minor.

Posted by: ltexpat | Aug 16 2022 5:00 utc | 105

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 15 2022 20:00 utc | 33

Alas, sir, the psychopaths have the reins, and don't appear to be sparing the whip. It's sad that they fail to understand that the horse has already died of exhaustion, and excessive use of said whip.

May the new addition to your family live in an era of global peace...and may all the horses be free to just be horses.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 16 2022 5:18 utc | 106

@ Posted by: Tyler | Aug 15 2022 17:35 utc | 7

I tend to agree with you that the attack on Kiev was something more than a feignt. I think Ritter descriped it as an attempted decapitation (maybe I use wrong wording). It either did not show promise or there was a change of tactics. I also think it is inline with what Russia has been doing since which is simultaneous attack on several fronts, some more forcefully than others. Which has similar effect to feignt.

So what is the point of disputing the description?

Posted by: jared | Aug 16 2022 5:35 utc | 107

I read an article in western media re. npp which at least made sense - they are claiming that Russia has positioned military on the premises and is shelling Ukraine positions from that location. The article kind of glossed over the part about Ukraine shooting back.

Its is very possible that that is a lie or perhaps there is truth to it (in which case it is a bad idea).

So again would make sense for Russia to withdrawl from the plant property and invite monitoring - I suspect that is what they will do.

Posted by: jared | Aug 16 2022 5:42 utc | 108

It is likely that Ukraine would then continue the shelling, but let us see.

Posted by: jared | Aug 16 2022 5:46 utc | 109

couldn't give two hoots about the delusions americans are comforting themselves with. What matters is the Reality Russia is creating in Reality.

Posted by: mijj | Aug 16 2022 5:54 utc | 110

Jared, there was discussion in Western nations about need for SAM protection for nuclear stations. In that case Russia would need same

No doubt Dimona looks vulnerable now US Officers have started targeting nuclear stations with HIMARS

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 16 2022 6:05 utc | 111

It is hard to believe, but media coverage normalized the notion that Russia shells its own positions. As with early Guardian article that reported that autopsies revealed deaths on Russia held territory was due to shelling, by Russia, to attack on POW camp or nuclear plant. Yes, maps would made it easier to spot, but to buy that a party is consistently bombing its own troops, civilians and POW in their cate is ridiculous even without a picture. It makes me to question why do I subscribe to this nonsense.

Posted by: Agnieszka | Aug 16 2022 6:05 utc | 112

BTW - a facsimile of the first part of Marine Gazette piece is available here.

The two Marine Corps Gazette, full texts articles, are available, in Chinese, here:

Article 21:

ロシアのウクライナ侵略 第1部:物理的戦役 Maneuverist #21 – Milterm軍事情報ウォッチ

Article 22:

ロシアのウクライナ侵略 第2部:精神的および道徳的領域 Maneuverist #22 – Milterm軍事情報ウォッチ

Copy the Chinese text of "article 21" separately, as is, into your browser, Google search works fine.

Open the file and then translate from Chinese into your own language.

Read/save.

Copy the Chinese text of "article 22" separately, as is, into your browser, Google search works fine.

Open the file and then translate from Chinese into your own language.

Read/save.

Posted by: OhOh | Aug 16 2022 6:07 utc | 113

Posted by: ltexpat | Aug 16 2022 5:00 utc | 103

My apologies, I missed your post.

Posted by: OhOh | Aug 16 2022 6:14 utc | 114

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 0:05 utc

She's a Russophile Bulgarian; Russian is widely known in Bulgaria; and she records a message to the Russian president in... English. Just bizarre.

I can only guess she's been compromised and the message is intended for lurkers on her website from non-western intel agencies. Scare them away from allying with Russia and China.

Posted by: Browser | Aug 16 2022 6:18 utc | 115

In response to Jared@106,

It would make sense to you to leave the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, 100 tons of fissile materials and a huge stockpile of spent nuclear fuel unguarded? After the Ukrainian leadership has demonstrated its willingness to create a nuclear incident? On a territory where terrorism is being encouraged as "partisan warfare" by Western powers and ied's are being used to target political representatives while major urban centers are saturated with anti-personnel mines? No, that won't happen.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 16 2022 6:21 utc | 116

Last strike by Bellingcat. How Dilyana could have fallent for it, is beyond my understanding.
Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 0:05 utc | 81

She didn't. You Tube can take over a channel easy peasy since they are in cahoots with the PTB
As discussed on earlier thread this is not Dilyana. Seems it hard for men to notice major differences in women's faces, but the difference in age is the most obvious.
It is more disturbing that its not her and she may be in trouble.

Posted by: K | Aug 16 2022 6:38 utc | 117

High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries in the area of the settlement of Zolochiv, Kharkiv region. More than a hundred militants from Poland and Germany were killed and more than 50 wounded.

Posted by: Summary1508 | Aug 15 2022 17:47 utc | 13

"Temporary."

Bay, bay, bark bark. Bang.

Bye-bye, racists-ethnicists (they've always had trouble distinguishing the two).

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 16 2022 6:41 utc | 118

@Skiffer | Aug 16 2022 6:21 utc | 114

I don't think it's unguarded like you say. nazis use m777, drones and Brimstone missiles, they're not shooting from next door, it's a relatively long distance. Russia could fly more drones to monitor when the m777 are moved, that is true. They'll get to that area sooner or later and eliminate them.

Yesterday, banned French mines were found. A type which can't be defused and also explodes when it detects an anti-mine detector. So nato is placing all bets on terrorism. Won't be long before depleted uranium or other dirty bombs appear all over Ukr.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 6:42 utc | 119

Seems odd that it was a "feint", one could argue that there were too few soldiers to occupy Kiev yes, and that was a miscalculation by Russia believing it was not.
Sending so many tanks, soldiers towards Kiev just to be blown up...nah that wast not a feint.

Russian tanks seen being ambushed on outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g68MmLrGvM

Just like it was a miscalculation by Russia that Crimean ammo. depots would not be attacked on and on. Russia do not even understand what and by who the attacks in Crimea have been carried out. This is embarrasing for Russia.

Crimean village evacuated after ammo detonations last night
https://rt.com/russia/560912-crimea-ammo-depot-blast/

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 16 2022 6:54 utc | 120

With regard to the final photo, note that the caption makes no claims about the particular car shown in the photo. The claim about “some” people entering to help get others out is not passed on as something they actually observed or verified by talking to people crossing, but as something anonymous Ukrainian checkpoint “authorities” said.

The juxtaposition of the two statements would tend to lead a casual reader (or a non-native speaker) to assume a connection, up in fact it conveys almost the opposite on careful reading. One imagines the intrepid reporter asking what is it with all the cars heading into the allied-controlled areas, and the “authority” rolls his eyes and comes up with a face-saving answer.

Posted by: BillB | Aug 16 2022 6:57 utc | 121

At what point are the British Nazi mercenaries Hill and Aslin going to be executed? Or is this more rhetoric which will be forgotten as surely as the railroads continue to transport nato weaponry into Ukraine and the gas flows from Russia into 404?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 7:02 utc | 122

Afghan contractors: 'I wish I'd never worked for the UK government' Well, they get to know after a while, never to betray your own country. 😏

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 7:07 utc | 123

At what point are the British Nazi mercenaries Hill and Aslin going to be executed?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 7:02 utc | 120
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Does it matter when? Isn't it better to catch BoJo, Truss or Wallace?

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 7:09 utc | 124

Not to quibble over terminology, but maybe fixing maneuver is a better term.

It would be clear to NATO pretty early that Russia had no intention of attacking Kiev, 25000 troops isn't nearly enough, even incompetent military strategists know that.

But, having established a bridgehead within 35 miles of Kiev, NATO had to take into account that a lot more troops could be added quickly. This fixed a big chunk of Ukrainian forces into place and allowed the Russians to achieve their main objectives...surrounding Mariapol and getting hundreds of pieces of artillery in place along with supply lines.

Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 16 2022 7:10 utc | 125

I don't believe Russia thought negotiations were possible then or ever. I look at the opening feint "fixing maneuver" as motivated purely by military strategy.

The losses were fairly heavy, around 1250 KIA with another 4000 or 5000 injured or captured. Considering the intention from the beginning was to withdraw those troops once everything was set up in the East of the country, I had questioned whether a more straightforward approach would have been more efficient.

In retrospect, I see the Russia planners got in right.

Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 16 2022 7:18 utc | 126

jared | Aug 16 2022 5:42 utc | 106

There is a "reported" massive build-up opposite Zaporizha, on the oher side of the river, including (Nuclear Specialists and 1'000 troops etc.etc.) On the off chance there is some truth in the report, there will always be someone to take advantage of a retreat by the other side.

"#Russia: #Kiev is preparing large-scale provocations around the #Zaporizhzhia NPP. A separate regiment of troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection has arrived in the city of #Nikopol, with up to 1,000 military personnel and equipment. ">https://t.me/mod_russia/186"

Note that here, do the Ukrainians WANT the Russians to shell them, for the supposed PR "benefit"? (=> Rus Strikes "peaceful experts" sent by Ukraine?). Nikopol is not the only place missiles come from as a geo located Uke missile strike on residential areas gives a source further up-river (to the east).
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Next; a Zelensky call to Washington to sanction RosAtom, to enable Westinghouse to eliminate competition and increase profits. (and 10% for the big guy AND the Zele guy in the middle?)
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OOOh, aaahhh, shooting at civilians fleeing residential areas,
with a camera
https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1559228598829350912?cxt=HHwWgIDUzciJv6MrAAAA

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 16 2022 7:50 utc | 127

I don't believe Russia thought negotiations were possible then or ever.

Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 16 2022 7:18 utc | 124
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You just can't negotiate with Nazis, even with a Jew their chief. By the way, does the demented Joe be considered as a Nazi too? VD Leyen, Stoltenberg are certainly Nazis.

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 7:56 utc | 128

@ Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 0:05 utc | 81”
Sounds exactly like the first chapter of Le Carre’s, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. The young circus spy having gained such a message of a mole at the heart of the Circus in London and needing to get a message to the headman directly.
Hope Dilyana hasn’t been honey-trapped by Smiley.

Even if her warning is true - it would of course mean that any such lunched nukes wouldn’t detonate - which is a good thing surely? The point being that even if one side launches a first strike - that in its self is enough to cause enough fall out that would affect the whole planet and life on it. I don’t think the majority of humanity would be very pleased with the minority who believe they have authority and self appointed god like powers over Life on Earth!

All such missiles should have the same safety feature! To avoid some crazy general Jack D Ripper moment!

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There has been talk of God on these boards. It’s another red herring argument by the Collective Waste that it’s a religious war between Russian Orthodox and ‘European’ Christianity! We all surely know by now that Russia has many ethnicities, languages AND religions.

This has been actively made plain by the high profile actions of the happy Chechens videos with their Allah Akhbars - surely another great strategy aimed squarely at the billions of Muslims in the world who are being engaged with the BRI and SCO new multipolar world order.
Same goes for all the other ‘religions’ represented visibly in the volunteer Russian forces.

It also works against the direct use by the CW of the dumb attempt at incorporating corny Aryan Mythology, Runes, Magik and out and out Tolkienesque fantasy along with drugs to enthuse the young Nazis and white suprematist ethos against the dehumanisation of all things Russian now and Chinese next.

It is time to throw off the propaganda lies we have been stampeded into - get our Smirnoff bottles out and let our kids play with their meerkat toy Sergei’s. Most of my fellow Brits are just excited as usual with banality of the new football season already - our favourite Opium of the masses - all else is secondary. Even if it is abused for propagandising against Russia like attempted at the Euros last year as a precursor to the Ukronazi Offensive.
Only a direct attack on the U.K. will make that mad crowd sing the same song - which is not above the Bell Ends of The Zombie Empires masters.

Have a good day honest barflies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 8:07 utc | 129

a Zelensky call to Washington to sanction RosAtom, to enable Westinghouse to eliminate competition and increase profits.
@Stonebird | Aug 16 2022 7:50 utc | 125

The funny thing is that US buys a lot of nuclear fuel from Russia. They may try to block other countries from buying Russian nuclear fuel, somehow, I don't know how that would be possible. But US buys it, it wasn't sanctioned and I doubt it will be, not anytime soon. Actually US has lifted some trading sanctions a few days ago while they push EU to put more sanctions.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 8:14 utc | 130

The myth that the West has a "superweapon" has been dispelled. On August 16, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at the opening of the Moscow Conference on International Security Forum "Army-2022."

“The special military operation has dispelled the myth of the “superweapon” that the West is supplying to Ukraine and which is capable of radically changing the situation at the front.”

According to Shoigu, Russia manages to suppress the weapons supplied to Ukraine.

“Initially, it was about the supply of Javelin anti-tank systems, some “unique” drones. Recently, HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and long-range howitzers have been promoted by Westerners to the role of superweapons. However, these weapons are also being destroyed in battles.”

On August 12, the Russian Air Defense Forces (PVO) had shot down two HIMARS missiles in the Novaya Kakhovka area. On August 10, air defense systems shot down seven HIMARS missiles in the areas of Novaya Kakhovka, Lyubimovka and Chervony Mayak in the Kherson region.

The day before, the Russian Armed Forces attacked an ammunition depot near the settlement of Uman. As a result, over 300 HIMARS MLRS shells were destroyed. Also, in the period from August 8 to 9, 17 such shells were intercepted in the areas of the cities of Kherson, Novaya Kakhovka and Melitopol.

Before installations were used in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Read on

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 8:36 utc | 131

Re: Superweapons

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 8:36 utc | 129

The myth that the West has a "superweapon" has been dispelled.

The only superweapon in this war is the DJI Mavic 3 drone. It fits into a pocket, can fly 30 kilometers, and costs 1999 euros in my local computer store.

The Chinese company DJI tried to ban the sale of all their gear in Russia, but the L/DPR troops still seem to get plenty of donations. (Sales in Ukraine were also stopped, but that is unlikely to have any effect, as Ukraine gets all their gear for free from NATO anyway.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 16 2022 8:50 utc | 132

as Ukraine gets all their gear for free from NATO anyway.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 16 2022 8:50 utc | 130
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Do you really believe that anything from NATO/US is free?

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 8:53 utc | 133

Question: what does the "suppression of artillery" practically mean, which MOD Russia recently started using in statements?

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 16 2022 9:09 utc | 134

@Tyler

“The reality is that the Russians thought they could pull off another Crimea and sieze the Ukrainian capital, arrest or liquidate the Ukrainian leadership and set up a friendly regime”

Crimea is 90% Russian, was an autonomous region who voted more than once to secede from Ukraine starting in the 90’, has a Russian base with 20k troops. Any similarities to Kiev infested with Maidan “patriots”?

Posted by: RB | Aug 16 2022 9:34 utc | 135

Dji is good to see where the artillery is shooting but the little kamikaze drones from US are more useful to explode ammo storages and other terrorist activities. That is what was used in Crimea. It seems someone forgot to place drone jammers there.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 9:42 utc | 136

@unimperator
Shelled positions non stop.

The Kiev attack was an attempt to force a surrender, they also jammed comunications removed the letters from vehicles and caused massive distruction in deep. You can bet half if not more of those destroyed vehicles shown were Ukrainian. Fact is they backed out in an ordinary fashion while Zelensky and the US tweeted "Russia said they would withdraw, Russia lies and hasn't withdrawn" showing it was far from getting routed.

They withdrew to hold talks for two weeks, this was the break that separated phase 1&2.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 16 2022 10:02 utc | 137

blast was act of sabotage – Defense Ministry
The incident at an ammo depot caused damage to civilian infrastructure, the military has

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The incident on Tuesday morning that resulted in explosions at a military site in northern Crimea was an intentional act, an update by the Russian Defense Ministry claims.

Describing its response, the ministry said it was “taking necessary measures to eliminate the consequences of the sabotage.”

The explosions caused damage “to a number of civilian objects, including power lines, a power station, a railroad and several residential houses,” the statement said.
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https://www.rt.com/russia/560931-crimea-incident-sabotage-military/

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 16 2022 10:13 utc | 138

The Kiev movement may also have been induced by false pledges of surrender by Ukrainian military members that were in contact with the Russians prior to the operation commencing. Scott Ritter has made reference to such goings on, and I think he even mentioned signed agreements.

The idea being to lure the Russians into a devastating ambush. I believe the Venezuelans did something similar with regard to US-sponsored attempts to topple the leadership.

Posted by: Billb | Aug 16 2022 10:19 utc | 139

Billb @137: "The idea being to lure the Russians into a devastating ambush."

If so it didn't work out very well for the Ukropians. The idea behind ambushes is usually to inflict more harm on the ambushee than the ambusher. But then again the Ukropian cyborg troops seem to be considered disposable by their leadership so perhaps wasting thousands of them to hurt a couple Russians is considered a "win" by the Ukropistanians and their NATO masters? After all there is still a few million Ukropians left who can occupy space in trenches and filter shrapnel out of the air with their bodies so we still have a ways to go before we get down to "the last Ukrainian" (sounds like the name of a tragicomedy to be hitting theaters in a few years).

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2022 11:03 utc | 140

This was no feint.
You don't commit some of your best troops into a hasty and costly rush like that. A feint could have been achieved with a slower and more careful pace. After all, you want to give the enemy enough time to transfer troops to the target area. That's the point of a feint.

They didn't have enough troops to occupy Kiev, not even to surround it. They thought they would somehow provoke a collapse of the Ukrainian government and wanted to have enough troops in key positions around Kiev to take advantage of that and replace the government.

Posted by: binky | Aug 16 2022 11:19 utc | 141

George1@90...Obama's superiors, ya mean like MI6. They call the shots. They get more Russians killed every day.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 16 2022 11:21 utc | 142

binky | Aug 16 2022 11:19 utc | 139

They never wanted to replace government. They don't do it now either. You try to create imaginary solutions to your own fantasies

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 11:25 utc | 144

@unimperator #132:

Question: what does the "suppression of artillery" practically mean, which MOD Russia recently started using in statements?

How to interpret Russian Ministry of Defence briefings (Vzglyad, Konstantin Sivkov, Doctor of Military Sciences, August 14, 2022 — in Russian)

According to the article:

  • Target suppressed (цель подавлена, tsel podavlena): 15–20% of troops, armaments, combat and special vehicles of the unit are hit. The unit loses war fighting capability, but can restore it by utilizing its own resources.
  • Target routed (цель разгромлена, tsel razgromlena): 40–70% of troops, armaments, combat and special vehicles of the unit are hit. The unit can not restore its war fighting capability on its own and is sent to the rear to be reorganized.
  • Target destroyed (цель уничтожена, tsel unichtozhena): more than 80% of troops, armaments, combat and special vehicles of the unit are hit. The unit is considered completely lost: it is either disbanded, or a new unit with the same name is created.

Posted by: S | Aug 16 2022 11:31 utc | 145

@Dungroanin 127. In so far as Religions are institutions that serve and are rewarded by political power , including Political Islam, Religion = Politics. All statements about religion are purely political.

How else could Political Islam have got involved with US russophobia in Chechnya?
How else could Political Islam have become tge US tool to steal.oil from Iraq, Syria , Libya, Somalia? Nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, fighting for the colonial thieves.

But the Qur'an observes that most people facing their own immediate worldy extinction or injury momentarily , instinctively turn to God rather than Saint this or that, Thor, Jesus or Political power. When someone is driven to the recognition that only God can help them, and not Politics dressed as religion, that's when they recognise who is their ultimate benefactor.

No other blog would allow such a gross intrusion of reality to.pollute the fog of political discussion. War, plague famine are some of God's tools to bring us back to Him from the delicious cream cake of our fantasised , political.projections

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 16 2022 11:39 utc | 146

@rk, I don't think Russia had any interest in occupying Kyiv long term or permanently replacing the government. But taking the capital with a "shock and awe" blitz is the ultimate demoralizer, massively degrades Ukraine's ability to coordinate defense elsewhere, and provides a huge chip for the negotiations table. If Russia was successful there, they could trade back Kyiv & the north & north-east for Donbas (avoiding the slow grind against fortified defense lines that is going on now), plus relief from most, if not all sanctions.

Another target in Crimea (ammo dump) 200+ km behind the front lines goes up... either Ukraine has the greatest commandos since "The Guns of Navarone" or some longer range missiles than previously thought

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1559434285383311360

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 16 2022 12:09 utc | 147

Posted by: binky | Aug 16 2022 11:19 utc | 139

They're feint. They'll committed even more troops and other assets if it's not.
There'll be far more destruction on Kiev infrastructures if they do intend on taking the city and decapitate the country. Their circumstances leading to their withdrawal as well affirmed they're not removed involuntarily from the area with RF expanding, solidifying control in Sumy, Chernihiv, Kiev surrounding prior to their actual withdrawal.

You can look for example when they committed themselves like Izyum and Kherson. In Izyum UA forces from Kharkiv led by their nationalist battalion met little challenges until they hit up grouping on Izyum. Then Kherson with multiple attempt to dislodge them.

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 16 2022 12:21 utc | 148

Yenwoda@145... Russia is no longer fighting rag tag Ukrainians they are now fighting the mighty British MOD, small little country but it can project much evil, they specialize in sabotage...some Wallace guy is in charge, will he fair better than his ancestor Willy? And if they are running the war through London then at least the Brits are safe from nasty stand off surprises, can't say the same for their proxy though.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 16 2022 12:31 utc | 149

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 16 2022 12:09 utc | 145
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You wish, don't you, Galicien?

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 12:45 utc | 150

Gazprom predicts winter gas prices in Europe to be over $4,000

At the end of July, the price of gas in Europe began to rise, exceeding $2,000 per 1,000 cubic meters. The reason was the reduction by Gazprom of supplies via Nord Stream.

Yesterday, August 15, the price of gas in Europe increased by $2500 per 1000 cubic meters surpassing the prices at the beginning of March. Gas is getting more expensive amid heat and drought, which makes it difficult to deliver coal along rivers. In addition, gas supplies from Norway decreased due to scheduled repairs at production assets.
- Komercant «Ъ»

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 12:56 utc | 151

Four citizens killed by shelling in Donetsk city on the 15th. Russia has to put the pedal to the metal in Donetsk and beyond. They have to push the Ukronazis 150 to 200 miles west so Donetsk is safe.

Posted by: Ken B | Aug 16 2022 12:56 utc | 152

The plane with a delegation of the Russian government and journalists from the pool of Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin could not take off from Chita.

A bird got into the Tu-214 engine during takeoff, RIA Novosti reports. The plane landed successfully and no one was hurt.
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@yenwoda, maybe the bird was sent by your Galician Banderites? 😋

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:01 utc | 153

BBC news claiming that Ukrainian forces blew up an arm depot in Crimea, I read Ukrainian forces denied this, Russian spokesperson allegedly said it was sabotage from within.


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 16 2022 13:01 utc | 154

The newest Crimea attack. Is this again a commando/ terrorist group trained and guided by the UK?

To me this seems like a series of provocations to make Russia escalate against the Brits.

But Russia is seldom just reactive. However, no bad deed goes unpunished and no serious threat will be allowed to remain.

Posted by: Rootman | Aug 16 2022 13:03 utc | 155

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 16 2022 13:01 utc | 152
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Ria Novosti also states that

The detonation of ammunition at a military depot in the Dzhankoy region of Crimea occurred due to sabotage, the Defense Ministry said.

https://ria.ru/20220816/vzryv-1809971243.html

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:05 utc | 156

I wonder if Marinus really is General Van Riper. On March 21, he wrote under his own name in the Marine Corps Times:

"We were taught to orchestrate these capabilities to place our enemies on the horns of a dilemma. For example, when the artillery and air drove foes into entrenchments we could advance to bring our direct-fire weapons to bear; if they rose to engage us they would suffer from the effects of artillery and air.

Today’s war in Ukraine provides stark evidence that this is a lesson the Russian military failed to learn."

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/opinion/commentary/2022/03/21/jeopardizing-national-security-what-is-happening-to-our-marine-corps/

Admittedly that was early in the war, but if he is Marinus, he has done a 180 on Russia's campaign.

Posted by: Michael Lubin | Aug 16 2022 13:05 utc | 157

Ria Novosti also states,

Ukrainian saboteurs blew up six towers of high-voltage power lines coming from the Kursk nuclear power plant, the FSB said.

"On the fourth, ninth and twelfth of August, in the Kurchatov district of the Kursk region, Ukrainian sabotage groups blew up six towers of high-voltage power lines (110, 330 and 750 kV), through which the Kursk NPP supplies power <...> both to the region and neighboring entities" , - noted in the release.

The sabotage, as noted in the FSB, led to "a violation of the technological process of the operation of the nuclear power plant."

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:08 utc | 158

Western curators have practically written off the Kiev regime and are already planning the partition of Ukraine, Foreign Intelligence Service spokesman Colonel-General Volodymyr Matveev said at the Moscow Conference on International Security.

“Obviously, the West is not concerned about the fate of the Kyiv regime. As can be seen from the information received by the SVR, Western curators have almost written it off and are in full swing developing plans for the division and occupation of at least part of the Ukrainian lands,” he said.

However, according to the general, much more is at stake than Ukraine: for Washington and its allies, it is about the fate of the colonial system of world domination.

https://ria.ru/20220816/ukraina-1809946426.html

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:12 utc | 159

Narva Mayor Katri Raik told state broadcaster ERR that she was refusing to stand as a candidate for the Estonian parliament after the government decided to dismantle the T-34 tank monument and other Soviet memorials in the city.

"I won't run. This is my mood in recent days. I won't run for either one or the other party. Now I try to work only for the good of Narva. Now I can't imagine that I'm sitting together in the same hall with those people who who have now made such a decision (on the dismantling of the tank. — editor's note)," the mayor said.

In December 2020, Raik gave up her parliamentary seat to serve as mayor of Narva.

The dismantling of the T-34 tank and six other Soviet monuments began in the city this morning by decision of the Estonian government. The tank has already been removed from the pedestal and loaded onto a military trailer, which will take it to the military museum in the village of Viimsi near Tallinn.

Soviet monuments are being demolished all over Estonia at the insistence of Prime Minister Kai Kallas. In early August, she called for them to be dismantled as quickly as possible, citing security concerns.

The mayor of Narva opposed the transfer of the tank, since this memorial is part of the identity of the Russian-speaking population of the city. The city meeting could not resolve this issue and postponed it, then the government made its decision.

The monument tank was erected in Narva in 1970 at the site where in July 1944, units of the Red Army under the command of General Fedyuninsky crossed the Narva River, broke through the Nazi defenses and liberated the city.

Link

Estonia's population is ~1 million 332 thousand, out of which ~315 thousand are Russians. Something is in air...

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:25 utc | 160

@ Posted by: Rootman | Aug 16 2022 13:03 utc | 153

And all.

This is clearly our SAS/SEALS going Wallace’s ‘Full Tonto’ on the Russians in Crimea.

The escalation of the last few days in the targeting of the various Russian forces is at a different professional level to the rabid ukronazis we have trained.

Oh dear.

I fear the blowback will be severe. And probably Asymmetric. Aden? Hereford? Africa? The targets are endless.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 13:42 utc | 161

rp (154).

Thank you for the link.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 16 2022 13:44 utc | 162

I fear the blowback will be severe. And probably Asymmetric. Aden? Hereford? Africa? The targets are endless.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 13:42 utc | 159
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London

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 13:54 utc | 163

@ Posted by: Giyane | Aug 16 2022 11:39 utc | 144

Lol. Hello G, Salam, so you have stumbled into this saloon of inebriation?

You know it ain’t a god bothersome gathering, mostly?

As you know I am not worried about organised religion for the succour of these in need at times of bereavement and disaster- it is after all a ancient human tribal need that allows the village to regather and survive. Call your God scary Thunder, dreadful Volcano, scorching Sun and offer appeasement to it with whatever sacrifice that you think your minions will uncomplainingly offer up from their labours or blood.

However most ancient religions are,as repeatedly say, clearly proved to be scientific astronomical calendars. The fables and stories merely shorthand for noting such dates. These allegorical aspects I have no problem with.

The literal beliefs and believers though are a different matter. Whether it is Heaven, Hell , Higher Caste or Lower or dozens of ethereal virgins etc.

Enough said? It is after all a thread with a topic and I don’t want to start a brawl with the barflies 😜

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 13:56 utc | 164

For the last few days, one of the largest rivers in Poland, Oder river, fish had started dying. They had been cleared using excavators. Still no one really knows what was the problem. Both Poland and Germany is testing the water for last few days. They still don't know who had poisoned the fish or what had poisoned the fish. No one is also accusing Kremlin yet.😏

BBC, CNN or any other foreign western MSM is reporting this, if at all "reports" are hidden somewhere.

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 14:22 utc | 165

BBC, CNN or any other foreign western MSM is not reporting this, if at all "reports" are hidden somewhere

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 14:23 utc | 166

Finland puppet practiced laying mines in the Baltic sea. This is so funny to me. Poland newspapers believe it's preparation to block the Russian fleet. Again, hilarious. Sometimes you do wonder if a some depopulation won't actually be a good thing, too many idiots.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 14:35 utc | 167

@tyler #4

Nobody in Russian leadership claimed they would take Kyiv in 3 days.

Posted by: TGL | Aug 16 2022 14:38 utc | 168

b writes: 'Militarily the feint had near prefect results. Some 100,000 Ukrainian troops were fixed around Kiev while Russian troops from Crimea moved nearly unopposed to connect the island via a land bridge to the Donbas and Russia and also grabbed a large foothold in Kherson on the west side of the Dnieper.' Its true that it did fix large numbers of Ukrainian troops around Kiev, but it also fixed the world's attention via the media on Kiev, also allowing the Russians to move relatively unobserved into the south. It would be some weeks before the western media took an interest in what was happening in the south and the south east, with much of the media insisting in the beginning that Putin had decided to 'conquer' the south because he had 'failed' to conquer Kiev. That long line of Russian military vehicles all pointing towards Kiev that appeared in the first weeks of the war, and then almost mysteriously disappearing, gave the strong impression that the target was Kiev. I think this was all intentional and suggests to me the hand of Vladislav Surkov.

Posted by: malcolm harrison | Aug 16 2022 14:42 utc | 169

Nobody in Russian leadership claimed they would take Kyiv in 3 days.
@TGL | Aug 16 2022 14:38 utc | 166

Surely not, but today Washington Poo-st invented another fascinating story about it, in case dumb Americans already forgot the inventions 6 months ago:

"US intelligence and the White House knew about plans for a large-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine since October 2021.
In 3-4 days, Russian special forces had to find and remove Zelensky, killing him if necessary, and install a puppet government."

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 14:43 utc | 170

#rp
the last few days, one of the largest rivers in Poland, Oder river, fish had started dying. They had been cleared using excavators. Still no one really knows what was the problem. Both Poland and Germany is testing the water for last few days. They still don't know who had poisoned the fish or what had poisoned the fish. No one is also accusing Kremlin yet.
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Just one thesis:
Just think that in the August harvest, a lot of water for the fields (wheat / corn potatoes) is taken from the Oder, but now that is no longer possible in the drought!
Is that the purpose of poisoning?
No own harvest in Germany?
Or at least prevent them?

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 16 2022 14:47 utc | 171

She didn't. You Tube can take over a channel easy peasy since they are in cahoots with the PTB
As discussed on earlier thread this is not Dilyana. Seems it hard for men to notice major differences in women's faces, but the difference in age is the most obvious.
It is more disturbing that its not her and she may be in trouble.

Posted by: K | Aug 16 2022 6:38 utc | 115

Look at those two videos:

10 August 2022:

https://armswatch.com/russian-nuclear-missile-control-units-have-been-compromised/

9 March 2022:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9edLPCBtLM

What do you see? It is different because one video was inversed. Thus not convinced at all that she is not Dilyana.

By the way, here is the link where it was previously discussed (I missed it):

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-open-thread-2022-118.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a308d9aa44200c


Sounds exactly like the first chapter of Le Carre’s, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. The young circus spy having gained such a message of a mole at the heart of the Circus in London and needing to get a message to the headman directly.
Hope Dilyana hasn’t been honey-trapped by Smiley.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 8:07 utc | 127

Interesting. I can buy it!

On the subject itself, I think that the software to trigger a nuclear bomb is not so complicated and can be easily verified and tested. More sophisticated would be a program to hit the launch site. imho.

Someone?


Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 14:51 utc | 172

Germany is accusing Pooland of mercury poisoning of Oder. Pooland says Germany didn't test the main Oder but some small lakes, so it's not their fault, wrong testing zone.
Then Germany said that there is a high level of salt in the water and that may have killed the fish.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 14:57 utc | 173

a lot of water for the fields (wheat / corn potatoes)...
Posted by: mac999 | Aug 16 2022 14:47 utc | 169
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Those fields are not irrigated. And, specially in the harvest times, no one wants rain to fall.

Anyway, someone must've poisoned that river or the other rivers that joins it. It is a catastrophe! Have a look,https://youtu.be/pft-SI-TqR4, https://youtu.be/EsJU03-iRDY You can find more in the YT

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 15:00 utc | 174

In 3-4 days, Russian special forces had to find and remove Zelensky, killing him if necessary, and install a puppet government."

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 14:43 utc | 168

Stupid yankee art of war. That is called projection of one's thoughts.

Much more useful to keep the puppet than to remove it immediately and get only the Donbass and not all the Novayarussia. Time is for the Russians. Liberation is at work.

I am waiting for November. And still 23 days for the liberation of Donbass.

https://youtu.be/Eknp8YZlbZo

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 15:02 utc | 175

It seems The West is not giving up. They still want to destroy Russia.
https://southfront.org/political-west-escalates-arms-deliveries-to-kiev-regime


Posted by: Mario | Aug 16 2022 15:02 utc | 176

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 14:57 utc | 171
Salt?
The Oder rises in the Czech Republic and flows 742 kilometres through western Poland, later forming 187 kilometres of the border between Poland and Germany as part of the Oder–Neisse line, then flows into the Szczecin Lagoon north of Szczecin. Long way for salt to go upward.

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 15:04 utc | 177

Those fields are not irrigated. And, specially in the harvest times, no one wants rain to fall.
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Are you a farmer ?
Otherwise you would know that water is important for potatoes right now!
Otherwise you would know that after the wheat and corn harvest, the plowed and sown water is needed!
Otherwise you would know that the water of the Oder is not available for irrigation for a long time!

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 16 2022 15:11 utc | 178

@ Olivier | Aug 16 2022 14:51 utc | 170

my take... dilyana is the same person in those videos....

Posted by: james | Aug 16 2022 15:15 utc | 179

Everything listed there can only have an annoying effect when used for terrorism, which is exactly what nato wants. If you simply want to kill some people on the street then yes, 500 kamikaze drones will work.

I doubt US will actually send f16 but it'll be fun to watch them explode if they do send them. Another problem is the lack of nazi pilots, US will probably have to send some of their own pilots too.

The advertising worked. Pooland, Baltics and Finland will order a large amount of weapons from US, all the useless crap like m777, himars and even some Korean tanks I've heard. Since Germany will economically die, they'll be removed from the nato weapons market and US will remain the only supplier. Macaron won't say anything.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 15:23 utc | 180

Of course the attack on Kiev was a feint. Is called "maskerovka" (or the like) and it was used at Stalingrad for example.

Posted by: Somebody | Aug 16 2022 15:24 utc | 181

Putin Speaks About Plunder

Although he doesn't specifically use the term, Putin's address to the Tenth Moscow Conference on International Security centers on the topic and puts a timely exclamation point on my "The Plundering Nations Last Stand" essay. Putin pulls out all the stops. The Outlaw US Empire and its vassals are guilty of "Neoliberal Totalitarianism"--a fancy term for plunder.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2022 15:24 utc | 182

my take... dilyana is the same person in those videos....

Posted by: james | Aug 16 2022 15:15 utc | 177

I agree.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 15:27 utc | 183

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2022 15:24 utc | 180

Plundering by the racist western countries began 530 years ago. A very long list of killings and genocides. No one has ever been convicted for those crimes.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 15:33 utc | 184

Are you a farmer ?
Otherwise you would know that water is important for potatoes right now!
Otherwise you would know that after the wheat and corn harvest, the plowed and sown water is needed!

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 16 2022 15:11 utc | 176
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Oh boy!

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 15:34 utc | 185

@Jared
Setting aside your apparent concern trolling, do you really believe that the most observed location on the planet at present employing every available means of surveillance technology is unable to conclusively produce proof positive that Russian troops are using the NPP as a firing position?
As my first grade teacher used to say, put on your thinking caps, children.

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 16 2022 15:34 utc | 186

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 16 2022 12:09 utc | 145

They get a high profile hit on some rear area ammo dump or base every week or two then over hyped on Twitter.

Meanwhile getting slaughtered by the hundreds every day with artillery and precision stand off weapons. Guess which will win the war at the end of the day.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 16 2022 15:39 utc | 187

@163 Dungroanin. Inebriation by racism, whether Islamist, Thorist or Alleluia Bidenist is far more dangerous and disgusting than normal intoxication. Nobody fought murderous wars for alcohol.

Biden's Biblism has brought continuous festering, land and oil grabbing colonialism and nuclear and now biological destruction throughout our long lifetimes.

These Barflies absolutely detest both him and the entire edifice of anglo-saxon hypocrisy he rests his pedestal upon.
The stark fact is that Ukraine is just a natural continuation of Thatcherite privatisation in Eastern Europe.Theft, embezzlement and military protectionism of that theft and embezzlement.

I stand with the barflies against the corrupt and evil Western bloc's piracy and hypocrisy. For the British and US populations to ignore what is happening in Ukraine proves that the British wilfully condoned African and Indian slavery in previous generations.

The evidence of that is that even when the colonial hypocrisy is inside Europe and directly affecting British citizens, nobody sees Tory warmongering as any part of the problem.


Posted by: Giyane | Aug 16 2022 15:40 utc | 188

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 15:04 utc | 175

Salt?
perhaps they mean nitrate pollution? From fertilisers?

Posted by: Ross | Aug 16 2022 15:43 utc | 189

USAF spying over Poland, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d163547
NATO spying over Poland, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d1553dd
US Army spying over Lithuania, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d15d43d
British AF spying over Black Sea, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d15f3f5, but not crossing over certain line and not crossing over Moldavia.

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 15:44 utc | 190

@Ross | Aug 16 2022 15:43 utc | 187

Maybe it was a strange translation, but it said Germany detected increased conductivity in water and they think it's salt.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 15:48 utc | 191

perhaps they mean nitrate pollution? From fertilisers?

Posted by: Ross | Aug 16 2022 15:43 utc | 187
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There are no irrigated fields in Poland, so even if there's some fertilisers, they don't flow to rivers. Also, Poland is highly forested country. The culprit(s) can be some factories, the usual one Atm, no one knows. The police had offered a million PLN for information that could lead to the identification of the perpetrators.

Anyway, no one had blamed Kremlin or Putin for this...not yet. Waiting to see, when the western MSM would do that. 😏

Posted by: rp | Aug 16 2022 16:01 utc | 192

Let’s talk about the ‘attacks’ on Crimea.

At what point do these become a matter of escalation for Russia?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 16:08 utc | 193

@ Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 16:08 utc | 191

latest one is sabotage according to russian mod..
Crimea blasts were acts of sabotage – Russian MoD

maybe you already heard this if you read the previous comments.........

Posted by: james | Aug 16 2022 16:18 utc | 194

Plundering by the racist western countries began 530 years ago. A very long list of killings and genocides. No one has ever been convicted for those crimes.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 16 2022 15:33 utc | 182

There was a court in Malaysia that convicted Bush, Blair, etc., in absentia. They lost a couple of planes shortly after, perhaps it was just a co-incidence.

What exactly do you expect a trial of mostly long dead perpetrators to accomplish?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 16 2022 16:20 utc | 195

192 James are you suggesting that it ‘doesn’t count’ if it’s done undercover by Ukrainian saboteurs ?

My question was not by what means did the attacks occur, it was around Russias response or otherwise

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 16:30 utc | 196

Posted by: james | Aug 16 2022 16:18 utc | 192

Also claimed air defense systems shooting down unknown rockets, but looks like chain reactions to me with some particles flying fast in different directions. But maybe there were some rockets, who knows.

https://t.me/loordofwar/36041

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 16 2022 16:41 utc | 197

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 16 2022 9:09 utc | 132

Question: what does the "suppression of artillery" practically mean, which MOD Russia recently started using in statements?

In counter-battery warfare, "suppression" means that the opposing battery stops firing. In the simplest case it may mean that they pack up and leave their firing position.

Artillery usually tries to fire the maximum number of shells in the minimum amount of time. Typical rates of fire are 6 rounds per minute.

It may take up to a minute for the shell to reach its target. If the counter-battery immediately starts firing, there may be just enough time to fire six shots and get out. Towed artillery is most vulnerable to counter battery fire. Tracked artillery may survive a few less well aimed shots.

Two latest examples of Ukrainian counter battery fire from Donetsk.

1) Alexander Khodokovsky wrote that his Vostok Battalion lost five men to Ukrainian artillery. Ukrainian counter-battery artillery would respond after his men had only shot six rounds.

2) In Peski Ukrainians had only two mortars. DPR artillery could fire endlessly from the same positions, without encountering counter-battery fire. Peski was reportedly receiving 6500 incoming shells a day

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 16 2022 16:47 utc | 198

@unimperator #185, IMO it's hard to tell.

My take so far is that Russia's northern campaign was a catastrophe with huge and very disproportionate losses in men & materiel. When "phase 2" started, that began to reverse and Ukraine was taking more losses as Russia's artillery advantage came to bear, and Russia decided to RTFM on their EW platforms and make drone-spotting harder for Ukrainian arty crews. As heavy weapons from the west entered the fight, I think the momentum shifted again, to pretty even ground in terms of casualties. Russia still has a big artillery advantage but their gun crews are generally less accurate and HIMARS have forced them to use less efficient supply lines (more truck miles), while Ukraine has the advantage of interior GLOCs and defensive fortifications.

There's a narrative around here that Russia just pounds an area into submission with big guns and then advances to take the territory without suffering many casualties, but that's not how the war is actually being fought. Russia is doing a ton of RIF and attempting advances wherever they see a possible opening, and a large majority of those actions result in casualties and retreating to original positions. Still seeing a lot of Russian armor get blasted by ATGMs, mines, guns, armed drones, and increasingly by indirect tank fire. Overall, I think that both sides have suffered similar KIA and WIA, Russia has lost much more materiel, maybe close to 2x, and Russia has taken more POWs.

My best guess is that the war will end in a settlement with Russia taking territory in the Donbas but failing to achieve its key war aims of regime change ("denazification") and more importantly demilitarization of Ukraine. I don't think Russia will take all of Donetsk or Mikholaiv, Odessa, etc. Ukraine may retake Kherson and points south but who knows. By failing in the north and north-east, Russia won't have a bargaining chip to trade back for sanctions relief and will settle into a long-term role as China's junior partner in geopolitical affairs. It will probably take well over a decade and huge cost for RuAF to get back to prewar operational condition in terms of materiel and officer corps training. There may be significant societal upheaval over economy/opportunity/quality of life in Russia in the coming years, but I don't have a firm expectation on that. I expect the historical consensus to be that Russia's land gains were not close to being worth the economic damage, reputational damage to their military, and huge cost in human lives.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 16 2022 16:47 utc | 199

@Night Tripper | Aug 16 2022 16:30 utc | 197

Escalation where? Some people here think the special operation will go on like this until some day. I'm not sure about that. In the past weeks there was a large increase in attacks and the daily dead nazi count is highest than ever. If nato stops sending weapons tomorrow there are still thousands of manpads, drones and other weapons there, waiting for civilian airplanes to start flying. France has even sent banned mines, they were discovered yesterday.
So I think the operation will increase in scale but unless someone is stupid enough to enter Ukr without permission, it'll remain inside the borders.
Russia isn't talking anymore about agreements with nato after they ignored them last year. Now they will do whatever they want, anywhere they want, as they think it's best for them. Poland sets up new bases 30km from Kaliningrad. They'll do at least the same on both Poland's sides, talking is over.

Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2022 16:57 utc | 200

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