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August 03, 2022

Ukraine SitRep - On The Ground Report - Ukrainian Frontline Collapses

Below is a slightly edited machine translation of a piece which appeared yesterday on the Ukrainian side censor.net. The piece was promoted by Yuri Butusov, a well known Ukrainian military correspondent. It is originally a social media post by someone who was on the frontline in Pisky, immediately northwest of Donetsk city.

Context:

Over the last two to three months the Ukrainian side has used its positions in the vicinity of Donetsk city to more or less randomly shell the civilian population on the Russian affiliated side. After some serious protests the Russian military command agreed to launch a dedicated counter-artillery operation to shut down the deadly Ukrainian harassment.

Its daily 'clobber reports', here is yesterday's, have since included lines like these on nearly each and every day:

As part of counter-battery warfare 2 artillery batteries of Giatsint howitzers near Dzerzhinsk and Novhorodskoye, Donetsk People's Republic have been hit.

4 platoons of Grad MLRS and 9 artillery platoons at firing positions near Seversk, Kirovo, Artemovsk, Avdeevka, Peski, Orlovka, Shakhterskoye, Velikaya Novoselka in Donetsk People's Republic, Dobropolie in Zaporozhye Region, Shirokoye, Bereznevatoye in Nikolaev Region, Russkaya Lozovaya and Nortsovka in Kharkov Region.

The systematic counter-artillery campaign has seriously deteriorated the already rare Ukrainian fire power.

The Russian side has also changed the primary direction of its thrust from the northern front of the Sievierdonetsk-Lysichansk-Siversk direction to a push further south. The current offensive operation is concentrated north-west and west of Donetsk city in the direction of Avdivka. There is an envelope operation going on its north and south to surround that extremely heavily fortified town.

The red territory to the left of the red line marks parts of recent progress.


Source: Live UA map - bigger

Pisky is the southern part of that envelope operation.


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Following intense artillery preparations Russian forces are currently - slowly, slowly - clearing the lines of reinforced concrete bunkers and ditches that have been build on the Ukrainian side over the last 8 years. Here now is the view of that battle from the Ukrainian side (edited machine translation, for an alternative translation see this.) (Note: 300 is the military cargo designator for wounded people, 200 is for dead soldiers):

Pisky. Meat grinder
Author: Serhiy Gnezdilov

What is there to lose, what else can be taken from me on the sixth day of my personal hell, in Pisky, a kilometer from the first street of Donetsk, Ukraine? The bodies of those who were dearer to me than my family are lying under the heat in the trenches, broken by 152 caliber. As I wrote earlier, 6,500 shells per damn village in less than a day.

It's been six such days already, and I can't imagine how even a small number of our infantry survived in this barrage of enemy fire.

No, I'm not whining.

Two mortars 82 and 120 are working on our side.

Sometimes they wake up and "sneeze" two artillery barrels in the direction of Donetsk.

We hardly respond. There is no counter-battery fire, from the word go, the enemy puts artillery shells in our trenches without any problems, dismantles very strong, concrete positions in tens of minutes, pushing our defense line without pause or minimal rest.

The day before yesterday, the line broke, and a river of 200 or 300 [killed/wounded] was poured. I will not publish any statistics, it is forbidden in our country, but you have no idea the number and percentage of losses.

This is a hell of a meat grinder, where the battalion simply holds back the onslaught with their bodies.

For almost a week, we have been waiting for at least some kind of help that would hit the enemy's artillery, we, I repeat, are being fired with impunity with everything that the Russian military system is rich in, their aviation was working today.

I am proud of the leadership of the battalion that remained here with us. The combatant is with us, everyone is with us, contused, light 300, bandaged and returned after a couple of hours to the position, if you can call these bottomless ravines that way.

There is a war going on.

But without a counter-battery fight, it turns into a senseless meat grinder, where an insane amount of our infantry is ground up in a day.

Did you really want the truth? Here it is, the naked truth.

The reserve goes to the position, closes the breakthrough, and after five minutes, only one of the 15 people remains intact.

The bodies lie on the ground. If it's a light 300, maybe you'll be lucky, you'll faint, and you'll get out on foot, you'll reach the medics.

They just took a 300 [wounded]. He shouted all the way: - "Where is the support? Where is the artillery? Why were we abandoned? Why didn't anyone cover us?"

I don't know, my friend, why no one covered us... He screams, and I'm ashamed that I'm still safe and sound, only a couple of good deafening.

I threw up, I pissed myself, I'm sorry, and I'm back in action.

All reserves are destroyed, military equipment is on fire, the enemy approaches and without any problems occupies our positions after another barrage of artillery.

Right now we are losing Pisky, all our human and material resources are almost exhausted.

Denys, a resident of Mariupol, who told me "well, I trust the arrestee [Zelenski advisor Arestovich], we will return everything back very soon" is dead. He was wounded twice, they bandaged him right in the trench, they told him, Denchyk, go to the evacuation, but he answered "guys, I will not abandon you."

Both wounded for the first time, and after the second wounding, he continued to shoot back.

We still haven't taken his body. On the ruins of Pisky, he lies with his arms outstretched and his gaze frozen. He asks for revenge. How can I refuse his latest request? How can we all leave Dan?

I believe that Dimka survived after all. Because he could not die, having recently returned from the hospital, having just proposed to his girlfriend. They say that after one of the parishes he simply disappeared. It fell asleep with earth. But, I believe that this is a mistake, and he is alive. Foolish hope and expectation.

I know, my country does not like to think aloud. But, I was left with no choice between victory and arrest. The truth should be heard, not whispers in the kitchen. Of course, he will fly separately for this post, because how? Yes, does the state lie to its own citizens?

I won't be surprised if someone says today: "Kremlin agent Sirozh talked about the brilliant plan of the victors on the Donetsk front, let's hang him on the peacemaker."

I amused to say that everything is under control. Now in Pisky, everything is not under anyone's control, but for some reason the situation is being hushed up.

Ring broken bells while we cover Pisky with bodies.

We need artillery.

Give us something here to hold on to.

Now put yourself into the position of Serhiy Gnezdilov, Denys or Dimka. Then think about the politicians who sweet talk of heroic Ukrainian resistance and send these men to be slaughtered for no possible gain.

Sorry Serhiy, more artillery wont do it. The Russian side would just grind it up within days. How many of the 120 U.S. M-777 howitzers that were given to Ukraine still exist? Maybe 10 or so, most of them damaged?

There are other operations going on. North of the Donetsk front there is a thrust towards Bakhmut (also known as Artomovsk). Yesterday Soledar, north of Bakhmut was reported to be mostly captured. Vershyna and Zaiseve, south of it, are also gone or will fall soon.


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The Ukrainian side has loudly announce an upcoming counter offensive on the southern front towards Kherson city. But the number of Russian units in that larger area have since been increased to a level that makes a new Russian offensive towards Mykolaiv (Nikolaev), Kryvyv Rih (Krivoy Rog) or Zaporitzhia more likely than anything the Ukrainian side could possibly do.


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The Russian side also wages a continuous campaign against Ukrainian reserves, brigade headquarters and military installations or temporary storage sides far behind the immediate front line. These less visible attacks kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. From yesterday's 'clobber report' (also here):

As a result of Russian Aerospace Forces strike on combat positions of 54th Mechanized Brigade of AFU near Mar'inka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 50 nationalists of 2nd Battalion of this unit have been destroyed.

High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces struck on a temporary deployment point of the Ukrainian Foreign Legion near Nikolaev city. The attacks have resulted in the elimination of up to 250 nationalists and 20 units of military equipment.

High-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces have eliminated up to 500 nationalists of 92nd Mechanised Brigade of AFU and large amount of military equipment in Merefa and Chuguyiv in Kharkov Region.

Shelling of combat positions of 16th Battalion of 58th AFU Motorized Infantry Brigade near Artemovsk have resulted in the elimination of over 130 nationalists. The remaining battalion servicemen, numbering up to 70, hurriedly left their positions and departed for Konotop, Sumy Region, where they were disarmed and declared deserters.

21st Battalion of 56th Motorized Infantry Brigade, which had suffered significant losses near Peski, came under artillery fire of AFU during its retreat to Vodyanoye and was almost completely eliminated.

Notice the last paragraph. The unit in Pisky (Peski), where Serhiy Gnezdilov reported from, was retreating towards Vodiane (Vodyanoye), north of Pisky (see the second map above). On their way the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) opened fire on them, killing nearly everyone who had survived the Russian attacks against Pisky.

Was this punishment for the already late retreat? Or was it a misidentification by a forward artillery observer who thought that those retreating Ukrainian forces were attacking Russian units? I don't know, but ...

By the way - the opponent casualties numbers given by the Russian ministry of defense are likely over estimated (as all such numbers are). But even if only half of those ~900 claimed yesterday really were wounded or killed on the day before the losses are still devastating. In 1967, at the very height of the Vietnam war, U.S. casualties, dead and wounded, were at maximum about 200 per day. We see a multiple of those on the Ukrainian side each and every day.

This is not sustainable. The Ukrainian government should have given up the uneven fight months ago. It is an immense crime to further urge it on.

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Posted by: Seer | Aug 3 2022 19:44 utc | 149

Consider the TOS-1A (https://youtu.be/cGXnb0uFMGM); what equivalent in WWII?

The Hamburg firestorm. LeMay's firebombing of Japanese civilians.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 1:08 utc | 201

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 1:08 utc | 203

Yes, but not thermobaric. Not that severe fires don't suck out oxygen... But, weren't those airplane drops? (well, yes, rockets and such rain down, but...)

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 1:15 utc | 202

In the US, during election years (even numbered) there is always the threat of the "October Surprise" from any given candidate against their rival. This is to convince the uncertain voters that their opponent is any one of numerous evils, scandals, idiocies etc. The timing is usually 2-3 weeks before the election, to give the opponent little time to respond. Generally, October Surprises have little consequence, barring the mass voter fraud many states allowed due to "COVID".

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 3 2022 16:56 utc | 113

Interesting not..........

Voter fraud is a perpetual myth. Used often by the Republican-controlled States.

Where 'gerrymandering' rules the roost. That is a combination of unequal voter numbers and seats to augment the Republican Party Held seats. The use of existing convicted felons serving sentences in prisons both in-state/out of state. Then loosely matched by surname/initial against Republican-controlled enrolled voter lists. The use of fake postal ballots. The use of spoiler candidates to dilute the Democrat vote. USSA uses the waste a vote first past the post system.

Polling booths in the USSA. Do not use public facilities. Can be set up in private houses. Or the often on callout fire stations(one fire every 23 seconds somewhere in the USSA). Polling day is conducted on a normal public working day. Voters will be subject to salary losses. The average voter turnout is far less than 55%...... Who nees voter fraud with such low voter turn out...m

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 4 2022 1:19 utc | 203

It's a boast. He was boasting of his superiority over the 'mere people.' It was very much in the tradition of his Dad's Namibian adventures.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 3 2022 19:34 utc | 146

You may instinctively perceive it as a boast because of your preconceptions about the speaker but as a statement it stands up well on its own, which is all that really matters.

(And if you read it again dispassionately - if you are able - and note that he is talking about all countries and systems and that what he says is basically correct, it is hard to explain how it could possibly be construed as a boast, but you are free to do so of course.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 1:29 utc | 204

Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 1:06 utc | 202

The three parts of Ukraine. Ethnic Russians east and black sea coast. Russian speaking central Ukrainians. Western Ukraine/Galicia dialect Ukrainians.

Ukrainians are those Kievian Rus that have lived under other powers in the past. Same for the Belarus Kievian Rus.

Galicia reveres its nazi past, central Russian speaking Ukraine neutral and friendly but brainwashed by eight years of total anglo control.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 1:34 utc | 205

When it came to The Russian Federation though, the US west still wanted to dismantle it further.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 0:39 utc | 197

Yes, if by US West you mean that small number within the elites which dictate most foreign policy and which have painted Russia and Russians as boogeymen for decades now. They did a poll recently and less than 10% of Americans regard the Russians as any threat to them at all. The mainstream media in the US still sets the major narratives but they don't seem to have absolute power viz determining which ones will take and which won't. Partisan politics seem to be highly arousing; disease as well; war doesn't seem to be working like it used to. It also might be that the vast majority of pro-military types in the US tend to be Christian types as well; and maybe Christian types regard Russia and Russians as friends not enemies. In any case, the anti-Russian narrative doesn't seem to have worked for whatever reason.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 1:34 utc | 206

When it came to The Russian Federation though, the US west still wanted to dismantle it further.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 0:39 utc | 197

Yes, if by US West you mean that small number within the elites which dictate most foreign policy and which have painted Russia and Russians as boogeymen for decades now. They did a poll recently and less than 10% of Americans regard the Russians as any threat to them at all. The mainstream media in the US still sets the major narratives but they don't seem to have absolute power viz determining which ones will take and which won't. Partisan politics seem to be highly arousing; disease as well; war doesn't seem to be working like it used to. It also might be that the vast majority of pro-military types in the US tend to be Christian types as well; and maybe Christian types regard Russia and Russians as friends not enemies. In any case, the anti-Russian narrative doesn't seem to have worked for whatever reason.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 1:36 utc | 207

The Ukrainians MUST kill their own solders that retreat or leave their posts in order to maintain discipline in a losing war. The German Nazis in world war 2 kept fighting all the way to Berlin by hanging soldiers who left their posts. The Ukronazis apparently identify with the same discipline, even to the point of bombarding their own Nazi prisoners of the Russians.

The Nazis identify with death, and are taught to expect to die after the fun of killing Enemies. That makes them formidable soldiers.

Posted by: Mathew | Aug 4 2022 1:36 utc | 208

He confirms your prejudices- that ordinary people are incapable of governing and require wise and strong leaders- and you are struck by his cleverness.
There is nothing surprising about the fact that he would appear to be talking about all countries, but he is wrong. The revolutionary socialists against which he fought were proof that he was wrong. His was a boast of the 'whistling past a graveyard' variety: he had staked everything on the bet that he and his like were superior and immune from punishment or revenge. And he lost when the Red Army was forced into action.
Goering was cunning and criminal.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 1:39 utc | 209

Socialism with Human Characteristics must win out over Pleonexian Barbarism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2022 20:35 utc | 160

Now THAT'S a fun mouthful!! Thank you!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 1:43 utc | 210

◾The leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sent a battalion to the front line, which almost entirely consisted of mobilised men who had only "short training" - they were taken out only 4 times to "shoot".
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 1:06 utc | 202

A simple explanation for this is simply that for whatever reason some power network (or two) somewhere is emptying Ukraine out.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 1:53 utc | 211

Scorpion | Aug 3 2022 19:27 utc | 144 " Some of us may have strayed from our pens as you imply but most return to the fold when push comes to shove for most of us are interdependent urbanites who cannot last a week outside our life support systems."

I guess human existence relies to an extent on interdependence, but I was always the kid that asked why and could not settle into group think.

I guess MH17 was still a road to Damascus moment for me though there was an event before that. Prior to MH17 I just lived in the Australian world but that event made me realize we were not a sovereign country and our so called leadership workis in the interests of foreign powers.

The old saying - the truth shall set you free. The definition of feral - "(especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication:"

I guess now I'm just a feral animal.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 1:53 utc | 212

They are feeding the beast with dead and maimed bodies. The MSM shows none of this. Zelensky is a godlike figure, dressed in a tee shirt, demanding money. They pray to Moloch and drink the blood of torture victims.

Can we we shut this down now? Please?

Posted by: DjangoCat | Aug 4 2022 1:57 utc | 213

@ Debsisdead | Aug 4 2022 0:27 utc | 193

great post.. thanks...

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2022 1:57 utc | 214

Gnezdilov crying over heaps of corpses that are not worth one child's life stolen by Nazi hands. I hope more of them are wiped from the face of the earth.
Zero Sympathy

Posted by: ld | Aug 3 2022 14:53 utc | 82

Is this not the attitude that enables the hatred that fuels war and its associated crimes? Forgiveness is preached by religions as Karma issues immutable justice and not just the revenge we often seek for redress.

Posted by: Organic | Aug 4 2022 2:08 utc | 215

@ bevin | Aug 3 2022 16:04 utc | 102 and @ 199 sushi

bevin.. thanks for sharing that link... very informative... sushi - thanks for drawing it to my attention... it explains the crazy rationale from a few days ago of zelensky asking those to move out of donbass and into ukraine... here it is again for anyone interested..

Report from Ukraine: A promised counteroffensive by Kiev in southern Ukraine on behalf of foreign interests

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2022 2:08 utc | 216

He confirms your prejudices- that ordinary people are incapable of governing and require wise and strong leaders... And he [Goering] lost when the Red Army was forced into action.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 1:39 utc | 211

Well, there we just have to disagree. I believe the vast Red Army was blessed with very capable leaders, of which Stalin was one. And I am not aware of a single successful army in human history that was so without effective leadership and I venture to guess neither are you.

I venture to guess there has been no successful socialist or communist country without effective leadership either. And I very much doubt you can provide an example of one either!

That's my quarrel with socialism and communism, btw: I think the intention behind them is spot on; but they are too ideological, some might even argue utopian, and do not hold up in reality.

That said, it seems that both Russia and China have a modern hybrid system that uses the best of all types available in a combination that allows for a state with clear hierarchy and authority, aka strong leadership. I hope they pull through and in turn pull the rest of the world along with them, which the dysfunction West with its entirely corrupt globalist-colonialist-imperialist-oligarchic-pseudo-democratic-pathocratic polities sorely needs.

There we might agree even if we have different takes on the abominable Goering's excellent quote!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 2:13 utc | 217

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 4 2022 1:19 utc | 205

Addendum.

Who needs voter fraud with such a small/miserable voter turnout?

In addition, all votes received by the sealed bags from USSA embassies worldwide! Are usually trashed and not counted. That is voter fraud by popular definition.

For true voter fraud Republican style. I refer to "Waukesha County, Wisconsin". Here is a remarkable unprecedented for the entire continental USSA. A voter turnout reaches an amazing 97% of those enrolled on the voting list.

Whereas, the two-party wastes no vote "Victorian Ballot". A true proportional Senate Vote. Where neither dominant party can control the house. A compulsory voting system. Auto recount at 2% differential. Here the number of voters per roll is statistically leveled. On a regular basis. Voter turnout barely reaches 95%. Polling day is on a Saturday. Voting booths vary from church halls and all state government-funded school halls. Postal ballots have separate sealed envelopes. And are returned in special cross-matched external envelopes.

Voter fraud is conducted often in Republican-controlled counties. What better way to conduct a fraud election? Accuse the opposition of all your dirty tricks. Thus making the opposition rebuttal seem like an empty repeat after me lame dumb ass excuse.

Question why do democrat candidates drag along reporters when they go to vote? Answer: To dilute the Republican Party's standard loud noise false accusation smear campaign.......

Good old Union of the Soviet States of Amerika. A land where the current prison gulag population exceeds the total number of prisoners per population for all countries worldwide. A land with a fictional version/illusion of democracy.

On a side note, sixty percent of the USSA federal voter turnout is female based. Yes, it is time for the popcorn. For what could possibly go wrong at the party of the dumb and dumber? Who deliberately chooses to alienate the female voter?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 4 2022 2:14 utc | 218

I guess now I'm just a feral animal.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 1:53 utc | 214

Well, good for you!

I'm somewhere along the path of being an old fart with aspirations to finally make the grade as an old fuck - as George Carlin has put it!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 2:20 utc | 219

Siento una pena inmensa por la sociedad ucraniana. La utilización por parte de EEUU de un nacionalismo nazi delirante a las puertas de Rusia es un suicidio. Leer las opiniones de las personas desde el frente produce pena.Ucrania tuvo la oportunidad de acabar con su gobierno, no lo hizo. Que futuro espera a los millones de personas que vagan por Europa. La UE no les va a mantener, llega a Europa una crisis apocalíptica. Una Ucrania destruida llena de huérfanos y viudas. No simpatizo con vuestra causa pero nadie merece un final igual al de Alemania.Nadie. Y mientras tanto Europa suplicando gas a Rusia. Al final de la guerra en Alemania fueron a por Hitler, el padre político de Zelensky. A pesar de la violencia criminal y gratuita del estado y las bandas nazis es increíble cómo se ha creído a los gánsteres de Washington y Bruselas.La Historia olvidada se repite hasta entenderla cuántas veces sea preciso. Que al menos se saquen las conclusiones necesarias.Ni una vida más al pservicio de las mafias anglosajonas, volved a casa y acabado ya con los criminales que han organizado esto. Los

Posted by: Joseba | Aug 4 2022 2:58 utc | 220

I venture to guess there has been no successful socialist or communist country without effective leadership either. And I very much doubt you can provide an example of one either!
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 2:13 utc | 219

Leadership requires function, procedure and structure (FPS) before a position for a leader to occupy is made ready..after FPS is established the system needs a Leader whose style of behavior resonates with (or acts as an interface with) those who are to be led and the goals the FPS was established to accomplish.

So effective leadership is highly dependent on the FPS in which it operates, and the FPS is highly dependent on the environment it seeks to control and manage. What works in one place, in one structure, in one environment works no where else, and so on.

The nation state system NSS is a collection of nations, each with a different fps. Each nation has a person with a style that accommodates the goals of those in charge of the state to the willingness of those who are the governed. MSM works to shape that willingness; but its impact is peripheral to the fps that constitutes the state.

The FPS in Ukraine was engineered to fit Z, and Z was schooled to fit the FPS.. It worked, until Russia challenged the purpose of those in charge of the Ukraine state, since Maiden.

Posted by: snake | Aug 4 2022 3:54 utc | 221

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 1:15 utc | 204

There's no equivalent to fuel air bombs. It's combinations of incendiary and cluster bombs. They saturated areas first not with sub munitions but with spray fuels and detonated the whole areas with secondary explosion.

They're much more final and efficient than cluster bombs.

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 4 2022 4:32 utc | 222

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 2:13 utc | 219

You're right about Socialism or specifically Communism. They failed when they started to ignore and detached from reality by selling lifestyle that was unsustainable.

In similar fashion Democracy and Capitalism failed where they ignored the subversion of their systems to powerful resources monopolizing entity born out of capitalism entirely by design. Capitalism isn't pro market, they're pro monopolies, will create super monopoly by features.

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 4 2022 4:40 utc | 223

You're right about Socialism or specifically Communism. They failed when they started to ignore and detached from reality by selling lifestyle that was unsustainable.
Posted by: Lucci | Aug 4 2022 4:40 utc | 225

1.5 billion communists in 4 countries aren't enough to persuade you that this failure you speak of didn't happen?

Posted by: K | Aug 4 2022 5:01 utc | 224

Posted by: K | Aug 4 2022 5:01 utc | 226

Some hardy surviving states essentially economically blockaded like Cuba, Venezuela can remain striving, others like China with 1.4 billions people managed to show superiority of their own system against 'Democracy' or 'Capitalism'.

Any system would fails when they ignore the reality the same way Communism in USSR failed, US/West financial capitalism would failed.

In no way i am defending the flaw within Communism, rather i highlight the same things also happening in Capitalism, you're just choosing to ignore that are you?

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 4 2022 5:13 utc | 225

phiw13@4 - "Is there any truth in this AP report about the nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhya? Rafael Grossi, the U.N. nuclear chief, claims that “…the plant is out of control…” and lots more fear mongering."

Russia is NOT refusing to let the IAEA inspect the plant, but insists they come from and travel through Russia or Russian-controlled territory. Ukraine insists Zaporizhia NPP is still theirs and demands the IAEA get permission from them and leaves from Kiev to inspect the plant.

Both Russia and Ukraine are original members of the IAEA, so either way the IAEA will appear to be taking sides. Grossi knows neither side will back down and somehow hopes the 'international community' will pressure either side to cave. Fearmongering is all he got left but everyone pretty much ignores him. Nobody *needs* the IAEA to inspect or run their nuclear plants. Zaporizhia currently has three reactors in some state of operation, but the other three have been shut down.

Russians (Rosatom) designed and built Zaporizhia and knows how to run its reactors - they will send any nuclear techs and reactor operators if needed. Grossi rightfully sees problems with maintenance (who decides what for the plant, and who pays for it, how do parts get there, who pays salaries). For Russia's part, they are not going to simply ignore safety, staffing and maintenance issues. But it's unclear whether the plant has any access to revenue it should be getting from electricity sales or if the staff is being paid at all. These problems will be resolved when Rosatom officially takes over all operations - reportedly sometime in August.

The IAEA's other concern is diversion of nuclear materials. Before the current hostilities, Ukraine has repeatedly expressed its desire and right to rearm with nuclear weapons. If the IAEA allowed nuclear materials at Zaporizhia through ignorance or incompetence, then IAEA will be history. Plant workers hiding such a diversion also risk the wrath of the Russians. I'm sure the Russians are doing an audit of their own, but have said nothing so far. We don't know if anything is missing.

At one time, I had understood that material (particularly plutonium) sourced from spent fuel could not be used in nuclear weapons. That is not correct. It's relatively easier, more efficient and generally more desirable to use manufactured weapons-grade plutonium, but lower grades of plutonium and uranium (reprocessed spent fuel) will still work. I can dig up a link to the paper if anyone is interested.

The weapons produced with lower grades of plutonium are not as compact and have less yield, but are still thermonuclear fission/fusion weapons. Ukraine does not reprocess their spent fuel. They would have no excuse for 'missing' spent fuel and it would be a red flag for covert reprocessing and an undeclared weapons program.

The IAEA seems extremely concerned about this as it would have happened right under their nose. One wonders if they are so eager to audit Zaporizhia because they are complicit. Maybe they want to cover up a diversion, not look for one. Russia obviously has no need for ANY fuel-grade nuclear materials and there's no logical reason they would ever take any from Zaporizhia, yet I see ZATO already sewing the seeds to blame any missing spent fuel on them. If *any* of that spent fuel is unaccounted for, then 100% it was diverted for a secret Ukraine weapons program.

'Dirty bombs' are not thermonuclear - they're just conventional weapons that blast a lot of radioactive garbage in the immediate area. Doubtful that either the IAEA or Russia is too concerned about potential diversion by Ukraine for that purpose.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 226

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 228

IAEA is not impartial and not immune from US influence.

That said Grossi, the Argentine diplomat heading IAEA expressed concerns that spares were not reaching the plant which is still operated by Ukrainian staff under Russian supervision.

I doubt the situation is anything like as dramatic as media reports

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 6:00 utc | 227

Lucci. [225]

Capitalism isn't pro market, they're pro monopolies, will create super monopoly by features.

Welcome to Reality. Whoever believed Capitalism was about Free Markets or Competition ?
Certainly Adam Smith did not. - he WARNED against Conspiracy against the Public back in 1776

The aim of Capitalism is Private Monopoly
The result of Socialism is State Monopoly

The goal of Social Democracy was what Ludwig Erhard stated: "As much competition as possible; as much State as necessary"

The "Mixed Economy" is what it was called with Natural Monopolis under Public Control such as water and key utilities (which does not include telecoms)

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 6:04 utc | 228

The FPS in Ukraine was engineered to fit Z, and Z was schooled to fit the FPS..

NO !!! It was designed to suit Kravchuk in 1991. The office of President was created by Kravchuk for Kravchuk. He formed a Ukrainian Polity out of the Constitutent Republic on a shaky legal basis.

Kravchuk seized power 1991.
Z simply moved into a ramshackle house and boarded up more windows.

The whole Ukrainian "state" is a disaster because it never enjoyed legitimacy within its own populace. It is an Imposed Oligarchy

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 6:08 utc | 229

Mathew [210]

The German Nazis in world war 2 kept fighting all the way to Berlin

You must live a very sheltered life.........You must be referring to the Wehrmacht rather than the Party Soldiers - Waffen-SS. Soldiers fight to avoid being KILLED.

You do not wage war and then say "let's put away the paintball guns and have a cocktail or two"

As a Red Army POW you could enjoy cannibalism as the Germans (not "Nazis" but GERMANS) starved you to death in camps or simply murdered you.......first man murdered at Birkenau was a Red Army Captain)

As a German POW you could savour being shot or simply disappeared into the Gulag for 20 years

You must be American to think you throw away your weapons and sing Kumbaya

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 6:13 utc | 230

Another great report from b. Followed by the usual great commentary by so many people. This site has become my go-to place for insight on a huge variety of things. Good to see some people identifying the UkroNazis "Maginot strategy" in Donbass, which I wrote about earlier on medium.com and substack in some detail. This strategy is also dealt with, albeit obliquely, in an article on the Saker, which details European feudalism's obsession with castles. Castles, fortresses, fortifications of all kinds are defensive strategies with offensive applications. They provide safe areas where you can prepare for attack. The trouble is that while "attack" is necessarily mobile: fortified safe havens are fixed--and can become prisons in peer-level warfare. Putin ended the UAF's ability to mount mobile attacks in the first two weeks, with his sudden drive to Kiev, decimating fixed assets outside of towns and villages in Donbass and impeding supply. That "drive" has been described on this site often as a 'mistake". And certainly it cost the RF. But it was also necessary and genius. In a street fight with a bigger, stronger opponent, you must get inside his reach, denying him the advantages of those bigger muscles, while attacking vulnerable areas --especially the legs. Can't walk on both legs.. Can' fight Yank and NATO advisors of course set up the UAF's defenses, what I call in my three articles on this, "the Maginot Grid', the equivalent of stockades in America's Wild West. But the RF, while outnumbered as the Indians often were, are not fighting with bows and arrows: they have technological superiority, with weapons that don't always have the bells and whistles but are eminently usable. You don't need an F35 in the Ukraine; you need Su34s. You don't need an Abrams tank. T-80s, and 90s do just fine. So now the Ukies are caged in towns and villages while the Russians take their time. The longer this goes on--the more it accelerates the decline of the US, which has been surviving economically by sucking the economic lifeblood out of a declining Europe. The US is a vampire. And vampires go hungry when their bloodbag dies--which it will. History, as Putin notes, is a great teacher. And cultural history matters. The US was founded as an extension of not just Anglo-neofeudalism and colonialism but of British insularity, which also accounts for American insensitivity to the needs of Europe. This insularity has resulted in an American Maginot Grid --800 bases worldwide--like castles of olde designed not for real w
war but to subjugate the local natives. Those bases -- and also American floating bases -- carriers-- are a huge vulnerability.
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Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Aug 4 2022 6:21 utc | 231

In no way i am defending the flaw within Communism, rather i highlight the same things also happening in Capitalism, you're just choosing to ignore that are you?

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 4 2022 5:13 utc | 227

You didn't say flaw you said "failed". I was pointing out they are not failed all the more amazing under such siege conditions.

There are flaws in everything especially capitalist democracies.

Posted by: K | Aug 4 2022 6:23 utc | 232

Oh, forgot the link to the latest of my three articles for those who are interested.https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/ukraines-maginot

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Aug 4 2022 6:24 utc | 233

PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 228

Before the current hostilities, Ukraine has repeatedly expressed its desire and right to rearm with nuclear weapons.

I’d really appreciate some sources on this.
I am familiar with Zelensky at the Feb 2022 Munich Security Conference, but his speech there is dismissed as blaming Russia for not adhering to the Bucharest Agreement, rather than an explicit call for Ukraine to be nuclear armed (or have it’s nuclear capability restored).
ALSO.
Links that absolutely prove NATO was active in Ukraine 2014 to 2022.
Again. I know that NATO *was* using Ukraine as a de facto member, but some links to articles or think tank papers???
[I’m foolishly engaged in a *debate* in another “community”. I don’t anticipate I’ll “win” the argument….but I was once a veteran lurker of sites, and discussions supported by evidence assisted me in being better informed]?
In anticipation….. thanks Paveway, and barflies.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 234

Alef | Aug 3 2022 13:06 utc | 53

Your cope is on a Western level here, everything that happens does so by the Anglo-Zio insistence and that you rather blame Denys Hohol(Ukie Joe Schmoe) than admitting that shows your caliber very clearly.

The quintessential Western cope is that "It´s not our fault it´s our politicians" but the normal working people in the Russias is at fault, huh? So very typical...

Regarding who started killing Journos I can´t fathom how deluded you must be if the Anglo murder campaign vs non-bought Journos the latest 80 years passed you by.

Posted by: Dane | Aug 4 2022 7:19 utc | 235

Ukraine hit the drama theater where there is a farewell to the deceased Olga Kachura. Due to the shelling, the farewell ceremony was postponed, and its participants were evacuated to shelters. There are wounded.

nato must really hate that woman, they want to kill her twice. "Slow is best", "don't hit nazi decision centers" they said. Or how to kill your own people when the enemy can't: let them try 2-3 years

Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 8:00 utc | 236

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 236

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

Provides details of interaction. Slightly fuzzy when in comes to a description of assistance delivered post 2014.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/2/pdf/220214-factsheet_NATO-Ukraine_Relations_.pdf

Official NATO PDF describing in official but neutral language the NATO engagement with 404. Suitable for mounting in an in-tray.

My hunch is that NATO is a malleable apparition; the primary members use it as a song and dance partner with occasional bold flourishes of evidence while much remains cloaked to achieve respectability. US/UK/Canada are reported to have been involved in training and weapons delivery notably ensuring UAF standardization and "inter-operability" with NATO equipment and battle tactics.

I suspect we will have to wait until after the completion of denazification before RF rolls out what evidence it may have collected with respect to foreign interaction with 404 and assistance with war crime such as killing of Donbass civilians.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:06 utc | 237

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 236

Meanwhile, Kyiv has affirmed its goal of eventually gaining NATO membership, and it holds yearly military exercises with the alliance, including the Sea Breeze and Rapid Trident drills. The U.S. military has provided Ukrainian forces with training and equipment, including sniper rifles, grenade launchers, night-vision gear, radars, Javelin anti-tank missiles, and patrol vessels. In 2020, Ukraine became one of just six so-called enhanced opportunity partners, a special status given to NATO’s closet allies, such as Australia.
SOURCE:
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine

Note the last phrase describing 404's status as an enhanced opportunity partner: a special status given to NATO’s closet allies

This is verbatim as found in the on-line original. Freud would be saying "Hmmm" at this point.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:22 utc | 238

@Yenwoda

“Ukrainians defending their country”. By shelling their own citizens, civilians for 8 years and now dropping personnel mines in Donetsk.

Ukraine is an artificial country created by communists, consisting of multiple nationalities. You’d think that a federal structure like Spain, UK, Canada with multiple official languages would be called for.

But no. Yenwoda wants the whole territory but not the people. Let’s build a new pure blood Ukraine. Kill half of those not speaking Ukrainian, terrorize the other half. Brainwash children at schools with a nationalistic bullshit. After a few generations we have a new Ukrainian nation, a colonial outpost of the empire.

Posted by: RB | Aug 4 2022 8:24 utc | 239

I seem to recall that some time back it was reported that Ukraine was about to run out of fuel owing to Russian targeting of fuel stocks etc. Two or three weeks left at most; even for the Ukraine forces.
Can any barfly give us an update on this.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Aug 4 2022 8:27 utc | 240

Note the last phrase describing 404's status as an enhanced opportunity partner: a special status given to NATO’s closet allies

This is verbatim as found in the on-line original. Freud would be saying "Hmmm" at this point.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:22 utc | 240

"Permanent Latrine Orderly".

It just beggars description. What a con.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 4 2022 8:32 utc | 241

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 236

A useful document.

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2022-02-03/nato-member-states-arms-deliveries-to-ukraine

With some blunt Polish humour:
After 2014, free of charge non-lethal military assistance was also provided to Ukraine by European NATO member states. The deliveries of weapons and ammunition were rarely publicised.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:33 utc | 242

USAF FORTE11 spying on Black Sea. It goes round and round.

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 8:53 utc | 243

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 236

A useful document.

Which I have just found does not make it past the MoA URL filter. Try a GOOG search on "nato member states arms deliveries to ukraine"

OMITTED URL

With some blunt Polish humour:
After 2014, free of charge non-lethal military assistance was also provided to Ukraine by European NATO member states. The deliveries of weapons and ammunition were rarely publicised.

Also contains descriptions of military aid, types of systems, number of unit shipped and total cost of the "free aid."

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:57 utc | 244

It is a Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk.

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 8:59 utc | 245

What if this Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk gets blown out of sky?

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 9:07 utc | 246

If Livemap UA is reliable on this - and considering their bias, they're usually underselling Russian moves -, then the entire first line of trenches and fortifications that once surrounded Donetsk has actually collapsed and been taken over by Russian and Donbas forces - the new frontline is now mostly the unfinished highway ring road. We're speaking of a frontline that had been reinforced since 2014 and has resisted for months. Looks like Shoigu who wanted to stop random artillery bombing on Donetsk finally got his wish.
Belarusian youtuber Military Summary ascribes this to Ukraine pulling out 2/3 of their local artillery to send it to Kherson for their incoming and widely announced counter-offensive, meaning that Russian artillery can hit Ukrainian trenches for half an hour without any counter-battery fire - and since Russia has concentrated a lot of artillery firepower, as said previously, only 10 min is required to destroy any given point.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 9:17 utc | 247

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 6:28 utc | 236

To me one of the most telling videos about this war is from Yevhen Karas recorded before the operation even started:

He claims:
- Ukraine is being armed as pawns of the West because "we have fun killing"
- "We have started a war"
- "We have the most Javelins on the European continent"
- The European family has already collapsed
- Maidan would've been a "gay parade" if not for Nazi influence

https://nitter.it/RealAlexRubi/status/1497747535783411714#m

credit to Alex Rubinstein

A ukrainian friend of mine confirmed the translation

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2022 9:27 utc | 248

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:57 utc | 245

And someone signed off on German participation in the US-based Josef Mengele Reenactment Society (Ukrainian Chapter).

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 9:32 utc | 249

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 4 2022 0:27 utc | 193

the truth of the matter is that england invented self interest as the primary driver of foreign policy back in the days of Henry the eighth by giving catholicism the flick. Before that rome used to try to keep a lid on euro greed - except when the pope had a stake in the game of course. Anyway from that time englanders have done everything they can do to stick their noses into mainland euro beeswax,

I don't think Henry invented national self-interest, and England has been involved in continental politics since long before the Norman Conquest of 1066. And even before there was even a unified England. Geography makes it inevitable.

In fact england ran far more slaves to the americas than any other nation

Wrong. Have you ever heard of a place called Spain?

then they sided with the confederacy during the amerikan civil war to try & protect that trade.

To protect a slave trade Britain had already abolished some 60 years before? Remarkable claim.

a major motive for many englanders to support brexit was that "it would keep the Poles out".

It almost certainly wasn't a 'major motive' for 'many' voters. Immigration wasn't nearly as prominent in the Brexit debate as sovereignty, economics, democratic accountability, and the cosmopolitan elite class' barely concealed hatred of working class British proles. The UK did see several million Eastern Europeans rush to the overcrowded island in the early 2000's, though for the overwhelming part these people were welcomed.

Little Eddie was Churchill's biggest rival, the bloke who when just after Churchill's rise to PM in 1940 and the defeat at Dunkirk became apparent, was the man to try and force MPs to make england surrender to the Nazis.
Not only was he the man who drove Chamberlain's appeasement policy he was also the architect of the plan to isolate the USSR from western anti-nazism the end result of which was the notorious Soviet-German pact vis a vis Poland.

You characterise appeasement as some sort of devious pro-Nazi plot. In reality, appeasement (which was wildly popular at the time) was driven by normal factors:

* Britain was in no position to fight another major European war in 1938, and nobody except oddballs such as Adolf Hitler and Winston Churchill wanted to refight WW1, they'd buried enough sons just 20 years prior

* As far as anybody knew at the time, Hitler may indeed be satisfied with minor territorial concessions, and it was generally understood Germany had legitimate grievances on Versailles, Poland, etc. Nobody in 1938 thought the situation was as black and white as people now paint it.

The Soviets felt they had no choice since little Eddie flatly refused to lean on Poland to allow Soviet support for Poland to include the Soviet Union going onto Polish soil to fight the nazis there if the nazis invaded Poland. The USSR was told that if Poland was invaded by the nazis they couldn't lend a hand until nazi forces invaded the USSR, that england and france would assist Poland until then.

Yes, I'm sure Joseph Stalin only had peaceful and friendly intentions toward Poland, until those damned Anglo Saxons forced him to ally with Hitler and carve up the place, murder its leaders, etc.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 4 2022 9:40 utc | 250

Does anyone have a map, where exactly the 17 million ha of agrarian land which the vulture (Blackrock et al.) recently purchased on the cheap are located in Ukraine?
It would be nice to see these areas absorbed into Novorossia without compensation. The promise of a land reform and the undoing of the looming neo-serfdom as seen e.g. in South Africa could be a factor in obtaining support for the Allies, especially in the upcoming plebiscites.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 9:51 utc | 251

Posted by: John Reynolds | Aug 3 2022 22:50 utc | 177
>> The amount of Russian syncophants and misinformation here is disturbing.

Translation of what John Reynolds' is really saying: The number of people on this forum who can think for themselves and so haven't bought into our bullshit about the Ukraine is disturbing.

Posted by: KyleKoffler | Aug 4 2022 10:11 utc | 252

post by someone who was on the frontline in Pisky, immediately northwest of Donetsk city...
This "post" is fiction, emotional propaganda. The author could not watch 6500 bombs fall on the spot.

Posted by: Noémio Ramos | Aug 4 2022 10:18 utc | 253

Still spying

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 10:54 utc | 254

RAF Vampir11 patrolling over Poland, worried about Belarus, but never going near the Belarus border.

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 11:34 utc | 255

rp | Aug 4 2022 9:07 utc | 249
What if Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk gets blown out of sky?
Don’t soil your pampas. The US and UK surveillance drones have been in the skies over the Black Sea and over Romania Ukraine Poland and similar for years… Almost 24/7 for years and years and years.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 11:53 utc | 256

Sushi | Aug 4 2022 8:57 utc | 247
Thank you. And thank you again.
Will trawl through these, and save so I have something to hand should I get myself embroiled in almost certainly futile online “discussion” again.
I’m aware “informing” the person in the discussion is 5%. But the lurkers, (speaking as a lurker on most sites) the lurkers are often very interested in having new facts presented.
Thanks.
I might ask PeterAu to store the links on his vk site… the NATO subterfuge in Ukraine is undoubtedly linked to the bio labs.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 4 2022 12:07 utc | 257

Sorry, something went wrong with the link in #254. -> Consortium news article

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 12:42 utc | 258

re ZX | Aug 4 2022 9:40 utc | 253
Oh dear an upset englander refuses to acknowledge history so prevaricates and contorts like a 3rd rate carnival hack. Of course england was involved in euro politics before henry the 8th, eg agincourt where the normans who invaded from france & took over running england went back to france under henry 5 to claim french throne, that is not at issue. My point was that henry 8 adopted protestantism as a way to avoid having to work co-operatively with Catholic nations - he preferred his self interest to anything which had to be negotiated with other euro nations & with the pope as the ultimate arbiter hence self interest ruled.
If you do not know how the machinations over Poland's protection from the nazis was twisted by england esp 'little eddie' to prevent the USSR from reaching a treaty with the poles I suggest the excellent contemporaneous reportage of this by Edward Murrow in his book 'A Berlin Diary'. Even as usuk planned to invade Italy little Eddie & other tories were going behind Churchill's back to try and get a settlement with the nazis to make the USSR a common enemy. There was a considerable element among tories who sympathised with fascism & wanted USSR to be the enemy.The Soviets got word of this (Lucy in swiss network) and it caused a ruckus which Roosevelt had try to calm. After that point england became regarded as a tiresome 3rd wheel by amerika & USSR in further meetings. Churchill got very huffy about it but he simply couldn't control his tory pols. If you are an englander you really need to learn your history more objectively than the englander propaganda provides.
As for the brexit thing I'm only going on what englanders said to me when I was over there immediately pre the referendum. Once you got outta the south east many englanders told me bout all the eastern euros (Poles especially) coming into england to steal jobs, go to the top of the council list, all the usual dross of arseholes. I have no problem with brexit who cares what neolib formula they prefer, but it did seem to me that their motives were shortsighted. Opposition to centralisation always seemed to me to be a more viable motive.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 4 2022 12:54 utc | 259

So effective leadership is highly dependent on the FPS in which it operates, and the FPS is highly dependent on the environment it seeks to control and manage. What works in one place, in one structure, in one environment works no where else, and so on.

Posted by: snake | Aug 4 2022 3:54 utc | 224

Great point & thxs for yr reply.

Its a little chicken & egg. I think of it as lining up. The classes need both separation and unity. Many different elements must also harmonize whilst being distinct like family culture, religion, state craft, law, education etc. Then you have strong national spirit with good mutually engendered leadership and followership.

These days it seems Russia is exemplary in this regard and the West is borderline psychotic.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 4 2022 13:47 utc | 260

Debsisdead@262 and ZX
The truth about the extent of the conspiracies to make peace with Hitler in 1940 and earlier is one of the unexplored mysteries of British historiography.
My suspicion is that the Tories came very close to making peace and throwing the Imperial forces into war against the USSR. The only thing that prevented them from doing so was the Trade Union movement. And that had much to do with the fact that it was known that Union leaders and officers were right at the top of the Nazis' 'kill list' about the existence of which nobody had any doubts.

As to Brexit, in a referendum there are always lots of different motives at play and only two ways to vote. Many Brexit votes were cast by racists. So were many Remain votes by the politer sort of anglo-racist who believes that (white) Europeans should stick together and love popping over to Paris and practising their language skills. I was there just before the vote too and among the most reactionary brexiteers who were planning to turn the UK into another Singapore (as if it wasn't close already) which takes us back to 1940 again. The only real issue in Britain is, and has been for a long time, about whether the people get their land back or the landowners get their serfs back. Being part of the EU simply complicates matters.

As for Henry VIII, surely the answer is simple: the Church owned about a third of all the land in the country and greedy Henry wanted it. And the people he ended up giving it to, wanted more: they wanted the holdings of the people who cultivated the lords' domains, then they wanted the commonly held pastures, and then the woodlands and the 'waste' on the moors and mountains... they wanted everything and in 1940 they wanted chunks of Russia too and in 2016 they want to cram what's left of the working class movement back into its box and bury it.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 14:30 utc | 261

Little Eddie was Churchill's biggest rival, the bloke who when just after Churchill's rise to PM in 1940 and the defeat at Dunkirk became apparent, was the man to try and force MPs to make england surrender to the Nazis


If you are referring to Lord Halifax, calling a man of 6' 5" "little" is pathetic. He was not Churchill's "rival" in any sense - Churchill was funded by the Czech Government and rich businessmen as a Backbencher and had his considerable financial debts cleared by "oligarchs" before he took office as First Lord of the Admiralty under Chamberlain 1939 - he ran secret backchannels reporting to FDR who used US Naval Stations to send signals traffic outside White House protocols.

Churchill was busy working with FDR behind Chamberlain's back. As for negotiations with Dahlerus - that was R.A.B. Butler rather than Halifax at the FO.........the same Rab Butler who was uncle to the current Archbishop of Canterbury and got him into Cambridge where he was Master

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 15:14 utc | 262

@Lex #77
I also heard a report yesterday that indeed the militias are doing all the ground fighting in Donbas, but that Russian forces are present and contributing air and artillery support as well as intelligence and probably logistics.

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 4 2022 15:15 utc | 263

@ PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 228

thanks for that overview... i appreciate reading your thoughts on this..

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2022 15:30 utc | 264

@Sam Smith

Kiev didn't kill 14,000 people in Donbass. 14,000 people have died total, on both sides, in the Donbass civil war. 'Only' about 4,000 of those were civilians, the rest were combatants. The Donbass side generally has gotten the worst of it, especially the civilian casualties.

Ultimately Kiev is responsible for all those deaths because it could have simply not prosecuted this war, but it's wrong to frame it like it's only people in Donbass who have died.

Posted by: Soredemos | Aug 4 2022 17:43 utc | 265

That's right. It is a crime to continue this. It was a crime to start it and it was started at least 8 years ago.

The basic problem, seems to me, is that there is no homogeneous Ukraine. Never was. So the nationalists try to make one. Ukrainian speaking, wholly 'ukrainian'.

But the trouble is that the best part of Ukraine is the south and east which are very strongly Russian oriented.

So the only ways to do were either secede from that Ukraine and make a 'pure Ukraine' of their own, or dominate and crush that part.

So they chose the latter.

Their whole idea for years has been simply to wipe out all Russian connection from Ukraine. Which is ethnic cleansing. That's what it is.

And if Ukraine by some miracle were to 'win' this conflict and return to the borders prior to the conflict, then it would proceed with the ethnic cleansing again. Take up where it left off.

It would immediately embark upon that crime and this time larded with much venom, hatred, recrimination, reprisals, pogroms. It would literally be grossly awful, terrible.

There needs to be a partitioning of Ukraine and it should have been done peacefully. It was done peacefully, at Minsk. The nationalists will not allow it.

So be it. Then it must be done this way.

All of this is merely a Civil War partitioning the country. For the better.

Only the evil of the corrupt Kiev regime and the corrupt American regime have caused it to be done this terrible way. Here we see manifest the heart and soul of America. Here we see the fruits of the love of a dollar, of big business, of mega corporations, of money and power before people.


Posted by: abrogard | Aug 5 2022 4:35 utc | 266

Hi Jill, you wrote:

"The genocide of the Slavic peoples continues. Blinken and Nudelman smile.

Posted by: Jill | Aug 3 2022 9:30 utc"

Well, if it helps you anything, this applies to all the White peoples. Planned and orchestrated by you-know-whom, of course. :(

Posted by: N.N. | Aug 5 2022 19:12 utc | 267

Another report from Serhiy Hnezdilov's 56th Brigade has been published on Ukrainian social media.

🇺🇦 Infantry is dying in batches Ukrainian chief medical officer on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

In her emotional posts, Chief Medical Officer of the 56th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Anna Kornitskaya reports losses in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. “Infantry is dying in batches,” she writes, while sharply criticizing the Kiev command. Artillery, she said, has become a "curse" rather than a cover for Ukrainian soldiers. Widely advertised American MLRS and howitzers became the number one target for Russian missiles. Thus, more and more often arrives at Ukrainian positions than before.

The long-suffering 56th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is now suffering losses in Peski of the Donetsk People's Republic. One of Zelensky's soldiers fighting there, Sergei Gnezdilov, called the place a real hell. He said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine urgently deployed reserves to close the breakthroughs, and after a few minutes only one of the 15 Ukrainian military remained alive.

https://t.me/intelslava/35241

The Telegram post has screenshots of two Facebook posts by Anna Kornitskaya (in Russian). I do not have translations or links to the originals.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 10 2022 11:15 utc | 268

james | Aug 4 2022 15:30 utc | 266

Between Paveway and Petri Krohn, a lot of nuclear power generation put into layman's language.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 11:51 utc | 269

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