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August 05, 2022

Ukraine SitRep - Casualties Leak - Ukraine Admits Russian Breakthrough - Southern Front Paralysis

There is an report on Ukraine making the rounds that was allegedly written by the higher command of the Ukrainian army and leaked from somewhere.

Dr.Snekotron @snekotron - 12:50 UTC · Aug 5, 2022

Ukrainian channels are discussing what might be a leaked data from AFU General Staff:

- The AFU are only at 43-48% strength
- medical workers at their limit
- small arms and armor are not enough
- 191 thousand soldiers were killed and wounded (only AFU, not including others)
- there is not enough hydraulics and liquid nitrogen for M777 howitzers
- no one cares about the missing - there are no statistics
- the equipment transferred by the West is running out
- western weapons are operated by amateurs, since there are no qualified specialists
- no way to repair weapons on the spot due to the lack of spares and specialists - everything is sent to Poland

BTW, even with this dire report, I would caution against predicting a decisive break in morale. As with Peski, the walking wounded are sent straight back into the trenches

There are some pictures of documents written in cyrillic script attached to the above tweet.

The documents look legit. The overall numbers and issues mentioned seem plausible to me. The high number of casualties (plus the missing) is not astonishing. It would be astonished though if the Russian army and its allies have more than one tenth of those. This is mostly an artillery war and the Russian side has had a vast superiority in guns and missiles.

I wonder about the M-777 need for hydraulic oil and nitrogen. Both are used in the hydraulic recoil mechanism of such guns. Back when I was in the military we had similar mechanisms in our tanks. But they did not consume oil or nitrogen due to normal operation. Only larger maintenance, like changing the gun barrel, would require a readjustment of that mechanism. Is the 'light' howitzer M-777 so badly constructed that those fluids and gases can leak out and thereby become consumables?

The Ukraine has acknowledged that its main reinforced defense line west of Donetsk city has been broken:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy this week described the pressure his armed forces were under in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine as "hell". He spoke of fierce fighting around the town of Avdiivka and the fortified village of Pisky, where Kyiv has acknowledged its Russian foe's "partial success" in recent days.

The Ukrainian military said on Thursday Russian forces had mounted at least two assaults on Pisky but that its troops had managed to repel them.

Ukraine has spent the last eight years fortifying defensive positions in Pisky, viewing it as a buffer zone against Russian-backed forces who control the city of Donetsk about 10 km (6 miles) to the southeast.

General Oleksiy Hromov told a news conference that Ukrainian forces had recaptured two villages around the eastern city of Sloviansk, but had been pushed back to the town of Avdiivka's outskirts after being forced to abandon a coal mine regarded as a key defensive position.

The Russian defence ministry confirmed its offensive.


Source: LiveUAmap - bigger

Everything red on the left of the red line marks recent progress. It looks small but was achieved against the most fortified positions the Ukrainian side had.

Here is an aerial view of a part of Pisky.


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There are ditches (black lines) everywhere and after eight years of artillery war all houses have been more or less destroyed. Still their basements are good fighting positions which are difficult to overcome.

The breakthrough happened after the Ukraine had moved many artillery units from the Donetsk to the southern front. That also explains the lack of counter-battery fire in the east an eyewitness recently lamented about.

Ukraine is still dreaming of a counter-offensive in the south:

Ukraine said the Russian offensive in the east looked like an attempt to force it to divert troops from the south where Kyiv's forces are trying to retake territory and destroy Russian supply lines as a prelude to a wider counter-offensive.

"The idea is to put military pressure on us in Kharkiv, Donetsk and Luhansk over the next few weeks ... What is happening in the east is not what will determine the outcome of the war," Ukrainian Presidential Adviser Oleksiy Arestovych said in an interview on YouTube.

Arestovych is of course wrong. The war was decided in the east when the Ukrainian military followed its bosses orders and moved everything it had to that front. That gave the Russian artillery the chance to take it apart. The Ukrainian tactic, ordered from above, was to hold onto every position until it was completely destroyed. A more mobile defense would likely have been more effective and would have cost less casualties.

The units that Ukraine pulled back from Donbas and has send down to Kherson for its 'million men' offensive were already heavily mauled. They have now been waiting for weeks for the offensive to launch. Meanwhile Russian missiles have hit several of those repositioned units and caused a high numbers of fresh casualties. The removal of Ukrainian artillery from the Donetsk line allowed for the breakthrough at that line.

The long time it took for all that repositioning to happen has also given time for the Russian forces to strengthen its troops around Kherson. There are by now sufficient numbers for the Russian's to launch their own offensive in the area.

General Hromov said Russia might launch its own offensive in the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson to try to win back momentum in the war after building up its forces there.

The general got that right. The Russian offensive in the south may launch as early as next week.

There seems to be again a disagreement between the Zelensky regime and the general staff of the armed forces of Ukraine.

The general staff knows that a counter-offensive against Kherson makes no sense as it would cost many more casualties and is likely to be defeated.


Source: Military Land - bigger

(Under NATO symbology friendly artillery is marked as a rectangle with a fat dot in the middle. An X above says the unit is a brigade. Three vertical lines mark a (smaller) regiment  and two a (smaller) battalion.)

I count 4 Ukrainian artillery brigades and three artillery regiments on the southern front. There is currently only one artillery brigade on the eastern front. While mechanized brigades in the east have their own organic artillery units those do not have the big guns that can do the counter-battery fire. 

The general staff does not want to attack in the south. It wants to move a least some of the artillery brigades there back to the Donetsk line.

But Zelenski and his crew want to prevent the referendums that will be held next month in Kherson and other regions under Russian control. That is why they are pushing for a counter-attack there.

The disagreement has paralyzed the Ukrainian army. The units sitting in the south waiting for orders while they get decimated by daily Russian missile strikes. This while they are urgently needed in the east.

Zelensky and Arestovych may be good at making movies. Military geniuses they are certainly not.

Posted by b on August 5, 2022 at 16:49 UTC | Permalink

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Something seems off with RT, CNN will sometimes post direct links too it, everyone they hire comes from the CIA American reporter program and they have started to report things like “according to CNN”
As for western weapons even those barrels are only good for so many shots before a loss of riffling and heat warp. I saw two full fledged Ukie fan US soldiers on YouTube talking about the 77’s saying how often they need to be maintained.
Keeping them supplied with 40kg shells and new barrels is a lot of work and resources, all these fake stories about no weapons is a bunch of crap, NATO is throwing everything they have at the situation.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 6 2022 0:45 utc | 101

777 was designed for helicopter transport not to be dragged about by truck. design sacrificed weight and mobility for robustness. so this explains the many questions as to why the latest wunderwaffles never worked out. a lot of usa designs only account for total dominance. like the flying howitzers and flying gattling guns that can circle around some afghani compound raining hell. any air defense and they stay at home .

Posted by: hankster | Aug 6 2022 0:50 utc | 103

Snekotron | Aug 6 2022 0:06 utc | 96
Thank you.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 6 2022 1:00 utc | 104

@ yenwoda | Aug 5 2022 19:35 utc | 45

LOL! You're a real comedian. Better than that clown in Keeeev.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 6 2022 1:02 utc | 105

b - I'm not an artillery guy an some of these have been answered, but FWIW:

"I wonder about the M-777 need for hydraulic oil and nitrogen. Both are used in the hydraulic recoil mechanism of such guns. Back when I was in the military we had similar mechanisms in our tanks. But they did not consume oil or nitrogen due to normal operation."

Two different M777 hydro-pneumatic systems: 1) recoil + accumulator and 2) equilibrators. Neither hydraulic oil nor nitrogen are consumables, and certainly not in the field.

M777 gun recoil pneumatically charges an accumulator whose pressure is also used for breech open/close and shell lifter. I believe operation with an uncharged accumulator for first round or two requires gun monkeys to manually pump up system. 'Extra' functions of that system (besides recoil-only) means more lines and connections to leak oil/nitrogen. This system is relatively low-pressure nitrogen but it takes a lot. At some point, loss of nitrogen (or oil) in this system means recoil isn't dampened properly, which is ALWAYS a bad thing for a 155mm gun.

Equilibrators are kind of like the gas springs that hold up the tailgate of your SUV and make it easy to open and close. M777's barrels are not balanced and very tip-heavy. The equilibrator 'gas springs' make the effort required to raise and lower the barrel (crank-operated) about the same. Nitrogen in that system is somewhere around 2,000 or 3,000 psi. Slight loss of nitrogen pressure can be made up by manually pumping more oil into the equilibrator, but at some point you have added too much. Result: you cannot lower the barrel. Undercharged equilibrators tear the elevation clutch apart, so you're screwed there, too.

Recharging oil or nitrogen isn't rocket science, but it's not something ever done in the field. Brigade-level maintenance (and logistics) usually takes care of that. Ukraine has *maybe* two or three brigade maintenance engineers trained (one week) in M777 maintenance, but they have no logistics chain, no supplies or spares for the M777, no specialized tools and no tanks of nitrogen or the right fittings/gauges laying around. If they can't make a part or cannibalize another gun for it, then it's going by truck back to Poland.

"Is the 'light' howitzer M-777 so badly constructed that those fluids and gases can leak out and thereby become consumables?"

The M777 is described as towed artillery, but it's really not designed or built for regular use like that. All that expensive Russian titanium was used to make a light, air mobile gun that could be airlifted in a cargo plane to a rear air base, then carried to a fire base by something like a CH-47 Chinook.

Of course, the M777 *can* be towed around without breaking it, but it was never designed to be dragged around *everywhere* like the Ukrainians are doing. This beats up the gun's mechanics and both hydro-pneumatic systems. Connections fail, seals wear out, you get oil and nitrogen leaks, and eventually the gun is unusable. All that happens while operating a cold gun rapidly with large charges for a few rounds before being forced to move again. It also happens where you have little or no field maintenance, inexperienced operators and no brigade-level repair capability or spare parts (or nitrogen).

This doesn't mean it's a bad or unreliable gun - to the U.S. military - because that's not how *we* ever planned to (or do) use them. They're obviously ill-suited to the way they're used in Ukraine. Nonetheless, BAE Systems' Global Combat Systems division and their shareholders seem quite delighted.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 1:06 utc | 106

Was going to chime in on the 777, but looks like the bar has it covered in spades! It isn't a bad weapon per se, but a niche weapon that is being used incorrectly.

Like a lot of USA weaponry, the 777 requires a lot of logistics to keep it operating.

In Afghanistan NATO was providing logistics support to the Afghan Army for most of the conflict. Once those logistics contractors were removed, the army collapsed rapidly.

If one has ever fired rifles, they will know that lighter guns have more recoil making them harder to keep on target and harder on your body. This of course holds true for artillery, except the wear and tear accumulates on the artillery itself rather then your shoulder.

Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 6 2022 1:10 utc | 107

re: wagelaborer | Aug 6 2022 0:26 utc | 100

you wrote: "I remember hearing in the first days of the SMO that a US project building a military base at Odessa had been destroyed. But I have heard nothing more about that. Does anyone know anything about that?"

I believe that you are referring to this February 24 story: Russian military destroy USA's Naval Operation Centre in Ukraine's Ochakov

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 6 2022 1:10 utc | 108

Earlier in the SMO many were concerned that Russia was too slow and taking too long to complete the operation.

It is obvious now that Russia is taking her time, and the longer it takes the more the Western architects and sponsors of this proxy war suffer and bleed, and the harder it gets for the Empire of Lies to maintain its illusion of power, “rules-based” self-righteousness, and aura of invincibility.

Odessa 2023, I say. Keep it going. The West will need to pull out its mangled hands out of the meat grinder sooner or later. This is even more humiliating than Afghanistan.

Posted by: Moses22 | Aug 6 2022 1:13 utc | 109

I understand that Iranian cargo planes have been busy in and out of Moscow.

Some reports attribute the traffic to the delivery of drones, Iranian attack drones of which it seems some
49 would have been already delivered. These supposedly are Shahad 129 and have the same capabilities as the
US Predator drone. They can deliver bombs and missiles.

I am looking forward to seeing them in action as they will preserve the SU25 and SU 35 for future roles.

These will help in locating and eliminating the HIMARS and other Western supplied weapons.

In exchange, the RF will place into orbit an Iranian surveillance Satellite around mid august.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 6 2022 2:07 utc | 110

@ Posted by: Snekotron | Aug 6 2022 0:06 utc | 96

Thank you for dropping by. Your information is invaluable.

Posted by: A.L. | Aug 6 2022 2:14 utc | 111

Petri Krohn@16 - Well, I'm at least one bar patron that got the humor in your LiveUAMap post, Petri. Obviously, some confused customers have no idea who you are.

For anyone confused about the irony: LiveUAmap (Live Universal Awareness Map) is a project started by two Ukrainian programmers during the Ukrainian coup - er, 'Revolution of Dignity' in 2014. Mostly in response to, i.e., to counter, the predominance of English-language Russian media reports (obviously pro-Russian) on Maidan and Ukraine. The site automatically collects, translates and geolocates articles in areas of conflict - with a decided algorithm bias towards all Atlantic Council-type neocon spew or anything anti-Russian. LiveUAMaps reported and mapped plenty of chuckle-worthy pro-head-chopper freedom fighter 'news items' in Syria back in the day. Two minutes looking over their Ukraine 'items' will give you an idea

Still don't get it? Here's what EuroMaidan Press has to say about LiveUAMaps:

"Maps created by the Ukrainian programmers Oleksandr Bilchenko and Rodion Roshkovskyi attract the interest of not only average internet users but also experts and investigative journalists, in particular from Bellingcat."

See? Irony: "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result."

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Petri Krohn posting anything from LiveUAMaps over the last eight years should provoke one to laughter. Facetiously reposting "Sneaky Russians Bombing Themselves near Nuclear Reactors!" is particularly delightful. Bellingcat must investigate this horrible war crime at once! [<--sarcasm]

Also relevant: Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, every parody of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 2:52 utc | 112

Just a note.

US forces have an item called a nitrogen cart. It separates nitrogen from the air (75% of air is nitrogen) and compresses it into storage tanks.

Nitrogen is used in fuel inerting systems for US tanks and helicopters. Every (non infantry) battalion has one (or more).

Obviously they forgot to provide the Ukraine with some, or Ukraine simply doesn't have enough fuel to operate them.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 6 2022 3:13 utc | 113

war is a complicated mess... all sorts of disinfo can be very useful in war.. one has to question everything.. nothing can be accepted at face value and it is even worse then that - much worse.. one can never know what the motive is for the information shared, let alone the validity of the info...

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 3:29 utc | 114

@Petri Krohn #89
I actually am not sure there is any significant behavioral difference between pneumatic and hydraulic with respect to enclosed systems - the only actual difference is the compressibility factor.
A 2 stage system as you describe seems sensible for combining the recoil absorption of gas plus the energy storage/recovery for hydraulic; but in any case, the original point was that liquid nitrogen seems, at first glance, as a good way to recompress a gas system which is also non-flammable.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 6 2022 4:07 utc | 115

It seems the Russians in the Ukraine are releasing information on the bio-labs.

This is stunning, if it is true!


https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/russian-mil-declares-ukraine-origin


Posted by: Ric G | Aug 6 2022 4:14 utc | 116

Watcher [66]

Gastarbeiter is 1960s language. Turks in Germany around 2.5 million are long-term resident and many are aligned with Erdogan or even AfD rather than wish-washy gender-bender parties. I do not see any great difference between Turkish population and German in current loathing of Berlin regime.

As for media. There is no open discussion of the energy crisis because lots of journals are Greens and know this is the one chance to implement a ban on fossil fuels. Covid Lockdown and mRNA Compliance have given them hope of a submissive population accepting new realities ex post

16% German industry is already shut down I hear and most process industries are in phased shutdown for safety reasons. It is happening if you read specialist trade press on say Paper Industry but MSM is politics even so-called business press like Handelsblatt - pure politics not business

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 4:29 utc | 117

Now US policy has brought Iran and Russis into closer alignment and Iranian tank transporters are moving towards Azerbaijan maybe this Turkish proxy can be neutralized and brought under control ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 4:33 utc | 118

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 4:29 utc | 120

Thanks Paul.

However looking at the German data it would seem there are still 2-3 million non citizens in Germany - mostly from Turkey but also plenty of refugees. Now I assume they were attracted to Germany because there were jobs there. If the industry shuts down, then many of these will be laid off. Will they be entitled to unemployment benefits if without work? (they would not be in Australia unless permanent residents). What about EU citizens- will they return home?

i guess i am asking because i have not seen it discussed anywhere.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 6 2022 4:38 utc | 119

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 2:52 utc | 115

I don't often try to keep up with the military ops but that said: is there any website with updated maps that you do recommend esp. any showing troop dispositions/numbers/functions etc.?

Thanks.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 6 2022 4:38 utc | 120

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 4:29 utc | 120

Also Paul I am guessing that most industries will make their decisions about lay offs etc after the Summer break. If Germany is like France and goes in holiday in August, many businesses will be on semi shut down anyway, but come September it will be crunch time. Am I right in this?

Posted by: watcher | Aug 6 2022 4:42 utc | 121

Watcher [122]

There are lots of Non-Citizens in Germany especially from EU member states. It has nothing to do with benefits at all if you are Permanent Resident or Geduldet.

In fact 300,000 Ukrainians are now in the welfare system.

Layoffs are not easy in Germany and require lots of consultation unless company is insolvent. They use Kurzarbeit first which is covered by welfare system eben for auto industry with IG Metall and huge profits

If you are hoping for workers storming the barricades look to consumers first as energy costs snd food costs hurt

I can tell you fewer cars are parked outside stores nowadays and roads are quieter. I would like to see fuel sales volume statistics

At end August cheap transport ends

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 5:15 utc | 122

According to twitter, this is “trending” in Australia. Lol.
[Whoever programs the algorithms has no insight it’s Saturday and everyone is at kids sport, or grocery shopping. No one is trending some funeral of a previously obscure (if seriously wealthy) Ukrainian oligarch]
Ukraine buries agricultural 'titan' killed in missile strike
Orthodox chants of mourning resounded in a packed central Kyiv cathedral on Friday as Ukraine buried an agricultural tycoon with his wife after they were killed in a missile strike that hit his home last weekend.
Oleksiy Vadaturskyi, co-founder and director of one of Ukraine's largest agricultural holdings, was killed with his wife in his southern hometown of Mykolaiv by what Kyiv says was an S-300 missile fired by Russia.
>…His son… said he believed his father had been killed deliberately. Russia denies targeting civilians.
[So. If he was “deliberately targeted”, and *IF* the Russian claim can be accepted … cui bono?]
[The death came very soon after the deal to move Ukrainian grain was reached in Ankara.= someone wasn’t happy?. ]
> Mykolaiv Mayor Oleksandr Senkevych praised Vadaturskyi for staying to help the city as Russian troops approached at the start of their Feb. 24 invasion, although he did not elaborate. Two-thirds of Vadaturskyi's assets are now on Russian-held territory, he said.
> Traders told Reuters his death was unlikely to have a major impact on the day-to-day business of Ukraine's grain industry. Vadaturskyi was ranked Ukraine's 24th richest man by Forbes in 2021 with an estimated fortune of $430 million.
[= no great loss] [sad] [sarc. (Bar has recently lost its capacity to discern sardonic comments)]
> The company, which exported more than 4.5 million tonnes of agricultural commodities in the 2020/21 season, emerged from the turbulent 1990s after the Soviet breakup as a key Ukrainian market player.
>… it has transported 24 million tonnes of cargo by river … which it says is equivalent to taking one million trucks off the road.
> The most famous of these voyages was the revival of a Soviet-era tradition of yearly barges running watermelons from Ukraine's south to Kyiv, an event that always got publicity in Ukraine.
{Relevant to this thread as grain oligarch was obviously “taken out” in his palatial home last week. He’s a casualty} {or maybe he was just murdered under the cover of the wider conflict}
{That he’s getting coverage in Australia means *|they|* want us to know, for some reason}

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 6 2022 5:26 utc | 123

Melaleuca | Aug 6 2022 5:26 utc | 126

This was getting play a couple of days ago in New Zealand. I'm usually pretty late on the threads but don't remember it being discussed here. Seems like an inter-oligarch beef, hadn't considered the grain deal angle. The S-300 is an SAM so doesn't make much sense, although several Ukrainian S-300s have lost their targeting lock and caused significant damage on the ground. Seems like quite a coincidence for a loose S-300 to just happen to land on a major oligarch though...

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 6 2022 5:38 utc | 124

Armchair obsessives here extolling slaughter to the last Ukrainian should first comprehend that the bloodlands imperative of Slav-on-Slav extirpation is no new phenomenon.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Aug 6 2022 5:52 utc | 125

CarlD | Aug 6 2022 2:07 utc | 113

Military summary has talked about the Iranian drones being integrated into Russian BTG's. Apparently they are training with them to integrate for offensive operations.

Seems like every article about the Ag Oligarch is exactly the same script. Wiki has seven missiles hitting his house. He sort of reminds me of a southern planter organizing a militia during the US Civil War. Not much difference in this war either when you think about it. There are many parallels.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 6 2022 6:07 utc | 126

Just don't hold the referendums until Zaporozhye city is taken. I could not bear to be looking on from only a few kilometres as the rest of the oblast is revelling Russian liberation.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 6 2022 6:08 utc | 127

S.P. Korolev | Aug 6 2022 5:38 utc | 127

I think it was something between them, local, nothing to do with Russia, they don't touch the nazi leaders.

I would target the leadership in Ukr, from the government, the military to the sponsors still living there. They are running a terrorist war, they are the local puppets for US/EU. The terrorist scenario works well so far, there is permanent shelling of cities, attacks on npp, attacks inside Russia etc. Next month, when the long range himars arrives, it'll be even more fun for US. I can't wait to see the twitter warrior Medvedev and his strongly worded posts complaining about things.

Posted by: rk | Aug 6 2022 6:34 utc | 128

Posted by: ButtholeSurrfersButN | Aug 5 2022 22:44 utc | 82

Now Saker is effectively gone.
Everyone intelligent is compromised or copied.

A little off topic, but why is it that the Saker aka Andrei Raevsky and Dmitry Orlov all look like Karl Marx???

Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 6 2022 7:08 utc | 129

@127 S.P. Korolev

S-300 isn't a sam either. It's a SAM complex consisting of (at minimum) a TEL (transport erector launcher ~ big thing with tubes) a search/ acquisition radar, An engagement radar and a command vehicle to tie the lot together.

The TEL itself can carry lots of different types of missiles. Some of the missiles are active radar, some are semi active homing and some are TVM. (semi active radar with remote radio guidance)

The basic idea of the system is that it's modular. The search radar sees you, the command vehicle decides what you are, selects an appropriate answer from it's menu of options and the eye of sauron (engagement radar) shows you why you don't want to be carrying the one ring.

Posted by: S.O. | Aug 6 2022 7:10 utc | 130

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 5 2022 21:24 utc | 64

Agreed, that does seem to be the case. Buckle up!

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 6 2022 7:39 utc | 131

The Kiev-controlled lines (I refuse to call them Ukrainian, since this is essentially a civil war) outside Donetsk have had had eight years to fortify. As Jesse Ventura said in the Predator movie: 'Dug in like a Alabama tick'. Meanwhile gleefully bombarding innocent civilians throughout those eight years apparently just for the fun of it.

The western mainstream news have never bothered to report that.

Now they are cracking. And it get worse for the hero actor Zelensky, the latter-day Chuck Norris, the Kiev lines are also falling apart around Buchmut. He should have listened to Zeluszhky, who knew Sverodonetsk/Lysychansck was undefendable.

Zelensky is not a leader. He is another US puppet. At least he gets rich for his obsequiesness (like Elliot Higgins). I can see Elenskiy now (with an Australian taste):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nZmPfLQLOc

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 6 2022 7:39 utc | 132

@Olivier | Aug 5 2022 20:32 utc | 56

Bellingcat is a branch of MI6 and fucking manipulative liars. It was created two days before the MH17 crash.
I know Bellingcat are manipulative liars. I wasn't aware they were founded just days before MH17, thanks for pointing that out. It says something about both Bellingcat and MH17, doesn't it.

I found a reference that seems to support the claim of foundation date

On July 14, 2014, Higgins founded Bellingcat as an online clearinghouse for several like-minded internet sleuths. (The name, suggested by a friend, is a reference to a fable about a group of mice who decide to put a bell on a cat so they can hear it coming.) Just three days later came the event that would be the group’s first major crusade: Russian-backed separatist militants in eastern Ukraine mistakenly shot down a civilian airliner, Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, killing all 298 people aboard.
Truth comes from evidence and reason.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2022 7:58 utc | 133

@139 Higgins is Brown Moses from SomethingAwful's forums.

He has (had) a long and very colourful career before finding pseudo legitimacy.

Posted by: S.O. | Aug 6 2022 8:42 utc | 134

.... The S-300 is an SAM so doesn't make much sense(to attack ground targets), although several Ukrainian S-300s have lost their targeting lock and caused significant damage on the ground. Seems like quite a coincidence for a loose S-300 to just happen to land on a major oligarch though...

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 6 2022 5:38 utc | 127

S-300 has a ground attack capability (Google “s300 ground attack”). It’s claimed that RF has recently been using them in this way, perhaps for rapid attack of ground targets that are out of range (or time window) of other weapon systems. S-300 guidance and warhead are not optimised for precision ground attack but they’ll still make a hell of a mess.

UA also has S-300 so they could have killed Oleksiy Vadaturskyi in this way, hoping for a Russia Did It boost.

Nice name, btw.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 6 2022 9:22 utc | 135

... He sort of reminds me of a southern planter organizing a militia during the US Civil War. Not much difference in this war either when you think about it. There are many parallels.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 6 2022 6:07 utc | 129

Southern planter, a very apt comparison!

They’re all going that way, the oligarchs, backwards, to a kind of recessive plantation overlord role. It’s clear as day in Ukraine, neoliberalism’s futurist utopia, but they’re all edging in that direction, with their entourages and their land grabs, much as the might pretend otherwise.

Meritless heredity, that’s their thing

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 6 2022 9:51 utc | 136

The Long not-trimmed beard look is widespread among Orthodox believers. I generally take it as a sign of deep Christian faith.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2022 10:48 utc | 137

He has (had) a long and very colourful career before finding pseudo legitimacy.
Posted by: S.O. | Aug 6 2022 8:42 utc | 137

What, as a cutout for the Ministry of Defence ??????

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 11:39 utc | 138

The war was started to deplete Ukrainians, because of their guaranteed land rights.
Herr Elensky was unable to get the party created for his ascension to deliver the liberalisation that would allow foreign ownership of Ukrainian black soil.

Most of the Opposition has hence been dissolved and his party and supporters are sent to slaughter.

There has never been any question that it would lead to an invasion of Russia or even an attack on Russia by the Collective Waste - because Mr Fuc K Inz All and gang would come calling within minutes anywhere in the world to seek the pounds of flesh.

The carving up of Ukraine has been long planned and Poles were promised the problem me steaks of the West. Hungary and Romania were supposed to fall in line for a share.
The prime growing lands were to go to the Agro Industrial Complex - with dweebs like Gates fronting the takeover.

A bottle neck and stopper in the BRI projects and the East/West North/South trunks.

That is the reason for enforced conscription and old and women and kids to be fed into the mincer.

Many Ukrainians have are realising this through their red mist glasses - all these who rush to the Russians with hands up will live to reclaim their birthrights and farms still in Russian hands the rest will have to try and return to the ex-Ukraine where their rights will no longer exist. Herr Elensky will disappear in a puff of smoke to live out his days in the playpen Village Island somewhere far far away from eyes and ears… a bit of surgery and voice change and he can whore himself around as the deviant he has always been.

Not wholly tongue in cheek.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 6 2022 11:56 utc | 139

@141 Paul Greenwood

Basically.. yup.

It's good to have an ambition eh?

Posted by: S.O. | Aug 6 2022 12:03 utc | 140

USAF spying over Black Sea, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2cf2c082

NATO spying over Romania, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2cf2d6e0

US Navy spying over Romania and partly on the Black Sea, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2cf2f403

All flying round and round...

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 12:15 utc | 141

US Army flying over Lithuania, but spying on Belarus, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2cf39565

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 12:39 utc | 142

By the way, today, 6th August, the US carried out the sadistic mass murder of civilians by dropping a nuclear bomb. The US is the only country in the world that committed such a vile act!

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 13:01 utc | 143

@104 hankster

"design sacrificed weight and mobility for robustness."

I assume you meant "design sacrificed weight and robustness for mobility"?

Posted by: grippo | Aug 6 2022 13:20 utc | 144

"Who in US/NATO officer corps is actually running this disaster? Have their been any personnel replacements? Putin was right, the US should have realized they lost as soon as the SMO started."

Posted by: casey | Aug 5 2022 17:22 utc | 8

Or as soon as the republics were recognised on the 21st February?

Because before February 21st it seemed obvious what was happening. We "knew", very many of us. For me, I'd been following the Donbas since 2014 and what was going to happen next was foreordained. Scholz and Macron would push through Minsk 2, the shelling would stop, and slowly the long Calvary of the people of the Donbas would change to some sort of peace.

Had to happen. You could see from what Lavrov and the rest of them were saying, and how they were saying it, that the Russians had run out of patience. And this was no longer 2014, when the Russians were feeling their way, as Robinson said at the time, and playing it ultra cautiously. This was 2022, when they held all the cards and no one wanted to see them played.

So there was going to be the usual chest beating, Scholz and Macron would push through some sort of fudge, NS2 would come on stream and that done, on to the next confrontation somewhere else. That was what we "knew".

I wrote as much to Patrick Armstrong on the Colonel's site at the time. He sort of agreed. It wouldn't be satisfactory but it'd be some sort of solution, a sticking plaster over the running sore the Donbas had become.

Then February 21st and the kaleidoscope broke to a new pattern. Very fast. The cliché, if you won't talk to Mr Putin and Mr Lavrov you'll have to talk to Mr Shoigu and Mr Gerasimov, became reality.

But that, as you say, became obvious only on the 24th and for all the subsequent tragedy that was a side issue except for Kiev. On the 21st it was the talking with Mr Siluanov and Mrs Nabiullina that was the issue for Europe and that talking is not done yet.

"... the US should have realized they lost as soon as the SMO started.", you write. They realise now but not then. When the SMO started it's more likely the champagne corks were popping in Washington. They'd finally got the Russians to come out and fight and now they could break them with sanctions.

Washington, Berlin, Brussels - I think none of them know what to do next, now they've had their talk with Mr Siluanov and Mrs Nabiullina and those two have told them they won't.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 6 2022 13:27 utc | 145


16% German industry is already shut down I hear and most process industries are in phased shutdown for safety reasons. It is happening if you read specialist trade press on say Paper Industry but MSM is politics even so-called business press like Handelsblatt - pure politics not business

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 4:29 utc | 120


If you are hoping for workers storming the barricades look to consumers first as energy costs snd food costs hurt

I can tell you fewer cars are parked outside stores nowadays and roads are quieter. I would like to see fuel sales volume statistics

At end August cheap transport ends

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 6 2022 5:15 utc | 125

Excellent posts Paul.
Question is how long before people in Germany say enough of the green lunacy ideology?
To say things are precarious supply chain and energy wise is an understatement if epic proportions.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 6 2022 13:36 utc | 146

Question is how long before people in Germany say enough of the green lunacy ideology?
To say things are precarious supply chain and energy wise is an understatement if epic proportions.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 6 2022 13:36 utc | 149

Same question shld be asked in US..

One thing the SMO might accomplish is a deep humiliation of the Empire of Lies both from military defeat and also by exposing the many evils and disregard of its own citizenry of their 'Deep State' and elites. Deep humiliation might provide the needed opening for the general populations to punch through various narrative spells binding them to keep genuflecting to the PTB in both Germany and US at which point others may follow.

The recent accusation by RF of US involvement in creating covid might begin that global humiliation process...

Another reason for SMO to continue through the winter at least one time if not two. And with North Korea offering 100, 000 military volunteers to enter the fray and help with post-combat reconstruction......

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 6 2022 13:50 utc | 147

Scorpion, there will be no revolt in Germany.
They are just trying out how far they can go. It is like:

„You had 70 prosperous years. More than enough. Now it’s time for war again, and you will have to burden it. Of course we will win. As we always did.“

They are not only stupid. They are also trying to re-educate the people to become ready for war. That’s why NS2 has to be kept off. The gas issue is perfect for this message, and the majority will eat it.

Posted by: njet | Aug 6 2022 14:19 utc | 148

Dimitris Konstantakopoulos at Defend democracy:
"Europe has lost the energy war, writes Thomas Fazi in his brilliant analysis of the European economic situation we reproduce below.

"He attributes this defeat to the austerity obsession of the German and EU leaders and their sanctions policy towards Russia. Those policies are due to the “incompetence” of German and European leaders.

"On that we will disagree. German and European leaders are very competent in implementing everything the international Financial Capital and the USA are asking them to implement. They do it even if they risk to have a tremendous cost to the peoples, nations and countries they pretend to represent.

"If there are incompetent people, we are the incompetent. Because we are afraid of opposing and condemning their policies. We are afraid of being attacked and isolated as “Putin’s friends, harming our income and our careers.

"We are the incompetent. Because we ,lack the courage to condemn openly our own Western imperialism, political, economic, military which is leading the world, the West included, to a precipice and without which the tragedy in Ukraine would never happen.

"We are afraid of asking for a halt to arms shipments to Zelenski’s (that is the CIA – MI6) regime and for a lifting of sanctions. to ask for an immediate halt to the war, the sanctions and the arming of the Ukraine ..."
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/europe-has-lost-the-energy-war-humanity-is-loosing-the-war-for-survival/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2022 14:39 utc | 149

In simple terms, the M777 uses hydraulic cylinders, valves and nitrogen pressurized accumulator(s?) to control the recoil from firing and assist in elevating the barrel. Nitrogen is notoriously difficult to retain behind mechanical seals, but is preferred to air as does not easily absorb/retain moisture. Water in any form is bad for hydraulic systems.

I would guess from my years dealing in industrial hydraulics that the M777 "low" fire rate is in part intended to stop the recoil hydraulics from overheating and causing seal leakage/breakdown. Hydraulic oil is typically about 0.5% compressible, but when any gas or moisture gets mixed in, the oil becomes more compressible. Overheated hydraulic oil will also break down, damaging the additives designed to increase or maintain viscosity and lubricity. The oil and nitrogen in accumulators are intended to be kept separate via seals or bladders. In an over-worked or poorly designed shock absorber, this gas/oil mixing is commonly called foaming and results in all manner of problems which degrade the performance and destroy components.

If the M777s need to be routinely recharged with both nitrogen and hydraulics, it means the seals aren't, well... sealing.

Given that the nitrogen pressure is intended to to return the barrel to the starting position AND reduce the mechanical effort required to raise/lower the barrel, losing nitrogen pressure and volume of oil will make using the M777 difficult, if not inoperable.

This really is Hydraulics 101, and all the fancy electronics won't save it. These things are either designed to be light-duty or throwaways. Kinda pricey for throwaways, but the US MIC is famed for its $100 hammers. Just internet search it if you think it's a myth.

For want of a seal, a war (and Space Shuttle) was lost.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 6 2022 15:05 utc | 150

Watching Mercouris latest analysis of situation, it strikes me that the feigned counter-attack an Kherson is simply a ploy to rally the public and less informed military to the struggle - much as was done regarding the holdouts in Azovstahl compound after which they holdouts claimed surprise and felt let down by the reality. This is a symptom of totalitarianism, ideological conditioning - much like what is happening in the west where our leaders are changing definition of financial terms, fudging and lying about common data in effort to prop-up the preferred narative and retain the faithful (all that remains) at least until midterms in US. As conditions worsen, the narrative becomes more narrow and some of the cheerleaders start moving closer to the exits in hope to to be caught in the collapse. As the reality worsens the behavior becomes more irratic and ad hoc. Process of creative destruction.
Anyway, so now they are explaining the collapse in Donbas by they were caught in preparations for the offensive in Kherson (which again will never happen). More likely is simply collapse due to weight of prevailing factors. There entire structure of Ukraine is cracking, anything in the way of collapse may happen at this point. First off, Ukraine is not a good bet for further aid except for face saving purposes - hence Biden keeps up appearances, must get to November. At somepoint after November, Ukraine will tacitly accept defeat and move toward preparation for long term resistance.

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 15:51 utc | 151

Just a note that this is kind of misleading:

Everything red on the left of the red line marks recent progress

Verkhnotoretske has been controlled by Russia/proxies since April. The gains of 15-20 km^2 in Pisky direction are the recent ones. Actually they are probably a little bigger since LiveUAmap lags, but likely not by much.

It's now 3+ weeks since b predicted that Siverk - Krasna Hora line would fall "in a week or two" with Bakhmut "a few days later". That front line hasn't budged an inch, but apparently Ukraine's defense has totally collapsed etc.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 6 2022 15:59 utc | 152

I dont know much about Goebels, but the quote is self serving crap. It is technique of conman to speak in offhand manner to itimidate listener to feels that what is being claim is obvious to any "intellectual" - "it is the same in democracy, communism... [whatever]".
It is the same in any totalitarian system. In a totalitarian system many choose to serve the master (system) at the expense of thier family. There exist no democracies on grand scale (they cannot function) only varying degrees of represtative/totalitarian governments. And depend on degree of control of information and ability to pay for or enforce obedience, it is relatively easy to deceive the people. As I recall/understand the term "terrorism" was coined in France referring to the use of fear (possibly by the government) to influence political outcomes.
I would claim that true intellectuals are not overly reliant on what others say or have said.

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 16:05 utc | 153

In a totalitarian system many choose to serve the master (system) at the expense of thier family. Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 16:05 utc

Quite the contrary, other than people who are ideologically driven, most are often "convinced" to "serve the master" BECAUSE of the state's existential threat against themselves and their families. No jab, no job. You may have heard certain powerful people saying and enforcing that "suggestion".

Some people got jabbed because they were truly convinced (by lies) that their health was at risk. But most "chose" to be jabbed because their jobs and personal mobility was threatened, and therefore their families' well being was ALSO threatened. It is nearly impossible for an individual to stand up to the state and its ubiquitous minions. I refused the mandated jabs/tests and still cannot leave and reenter my country without onerous consequences.

Coercion is not "choice". See the Nuremberg Code.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 6 2022 16:23 utc | 154

slow and steady does it... ukees blew up the bridge over the river in central bakhmut.. serving their community and all that blather.... won't sign the minsk agreements, but you'll blow up bridges... very impressive... https://t.me/Slavyangrad/4507

it seems to me the west is very successful in destroying places... a number of countries come to mind... ukraine is valuable for destroying because it borders on russia... kind of like if russia was to try to destroy canada or mexico i guess.. make sure all those canucks only speak one official language instead of 2 and etc. etc... but people remain ignorant - which is a feature not an accident of the western medias presentation of all this...

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 16:30 utc | 155

It seems to me that Ritters analysis regard the effect of US weapons (and I imagine other aspects as well) was precisely correct. The access to Javlins and Stingers and HIMARs (in particular) as changed to course, but not the outcome, of the war (much slower, greater expense, more casualties). Fortunately for the faithful, he has been intimidated against speaking openly his thoughts.
When I see the pictues of the result of shelling by regular artillery, it appears it is very inefficient though effective due to quatity - the impacts are randonley scattered and the craters deep (good gor eliminating ground hogs).
It reminds me of an old movie (maybe "Mutiny on the Bounty") where there was oneseaman who was always drunk and seemed useless and a nuisance always tripping about the decks until in one scene the ship is caught in a terrible storm and the crew is incapacitated unable to move about the storm tossed ship and afraid but it turns out that in the turbulence the drunk guy could then walk a perfectly straight line without fear and manage to ship. Similary, I suspect the intoxicated military could navigate the shelling without fear.

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 16:31 utc | 156

@ Old canadian | Aug 6 2022 16:23 utc | 157

i agree with your last sentence - coercion is not choice... so true... and we were coerced here in canada and generally everywhere... isn't that totalitarianism?? for a simpleton like me i translate totalitarianism as total control by the state... otherwise these terms are above my paygrade..

are those residents in ukraine being asked to leave - is that a choice, or coercion?? looks like coercion to me..

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 16:33 utc | 157

worth repeating from https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

Fake news:
Russian troops are shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Energodar, bringing the city to the brink of a man-made and ecological disaster. The information is actively distributed in the Ukrainian segment of the Telegram and mass media.

The fact:
The information is a deliberate fake provided by the Ukrainian side. It is the Ukrainian armed forces that are actively shelling the territory of the nuclear power plant. The head of the Ukrainian Nikopol administration also confirmed in his Telegram channel the fact of the night-time shelling of the Energodar districts by the Ukrainian armed forces. During the day, as a result of the shelling coming from the territory controlled by Ukraine, two power lines necessary for the operation of power units were damaged. A fire broke out at the site of the shelling, and specialists are fighting it.

In order to avoid appearing in the eyes of Europeans to be responsible for a major environmental disaster, Ukrainian propaganda is once again trying to use the beloved thesis of the Russian Armed Forces "shelling themselves". However, such logic in this case breaks down by the fact that the Ukrainian armed forces claim that Russian army forces are concentrated near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, based on British intelligence data. Following the logic of Ukrainian propaganda, Russian army units are now using powerful artillery to destroy themselves, having previously concentrated troops in the strike zones.

It is important to remember that Russia constantly reports to the IAEA about all the facts of strikes on the nuclear power plant and demands an investigation into the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. While the Ukrainian side is doing everything possible to prevent official inspections and recording the consequences of attacks against nuclear power plant facilities in every possible way. Otherwise, all the crimes committed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces will very quickly become public, destroying Ukraine's image in the eyes of the West.

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 16:37 utc | 158

@ Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 6 2022 16:23 utc | 157

I agree it is coercion, yet some resist have inner compass.
One has to use discretion in these circumstances.

But as example of non-discretion was the never tiring crank Thoreau - "The question is not 'What am I doing in here [jail]', but rather 'What are you doing out there'".

But to this day, I am seeing a percentage of population going about with masks on - all day. There is a portion of population which desires to be lead and conform

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 16:42 utc | 159

Here is an excellent article in Covert Action by the Vancouver writer Roger Annis. Amongst others Annis corrects Aaron Mate and Chris Hedges for their fudging of the matters of Russia's motives in the SMO and the silly charge of 'imperialism' preferred against Moscow, which has been merrily shedding territories for thirty years.
"..What’s more, its intervention in Ukraine qualifies as an anti-imperialist initiative. Russia’s actions in Ukraine and elsewhere in the world (for example, in Cuba) are creating space–economic, political and military–for the victims of imperialism to live, breathe and fight for a different world in which big power dominance and hegemony give way, kicking and screaming, to a world of cooperation among peoples and countries.

"Surely, this is something worth understanding and to welcome? And to prompt asking: How can the people of the world draw inspiration and follow the examples of the self-determination struggles in Donbas and Crimea and the decisions of the Russian government to refuse to abide by imperialist diktat?"

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/08/06/shedding-light-on-who-exactly-is-responsible-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2022 16:42 utc | 160

Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2022 16:42 utc | 163

excellent article, as you say. I would hope that Hedges and Mate accept the corrections.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 6 2022 16:55 utc | 161

jared@159... apparently 191 thousand Ukies, by their #s, failed to do the dodging part of basic training, drunk, or not.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 6 2022 17:01 utc | 162

Scorpion@123 - "I don't often try to keep up with the military ops but that said: is there any website with updated maps that you do recommend esp. any showing troop dispositions/numbers/functions etc.?"

Sorry, don't follow at that level either. Military Summary Channel And Analysis and Defense Politics Asia put a lot of effort into consolidating the torrent of sources and reports and try to be unbiased in their coverage, but they publish daily videos (too long for me to watch) and don't publish their maps (that I know of). Despite their apparent sincerity, best efforts and claimed reliable sources, they admit that detail regarding troop dispositions/numbers/functions are all second-hand data. A step up from rumors, but who knows. For their part, the Ukraine MoD, Russian MoD, DPR and LPR seem reluctant to report battlefield data at that level. Imagine that. I specifically didn't mention US or NATO military sources in that list because they're either comically wrong or lying to the American people. Usually both.

Someone else here might have a better suggestions for real-time maps with that detail.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 17:07 utc | 163

The point I meant to make regarding Gerbles, is that he is trying to claim the moral equivelance of totalitarian, nazi regime and less psychotic forms of government such as republic, communists...

As if to say "You think we are evil, but you are the same."

Regarding coercion, we are all influenced, but if it comes down to it will you sacrifice your own wider family to improve your standing in the system? Is to important point. Will you accept the re-definition of recession would be an analog of sorts.

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 17:10 utc | 164

There is a portion of population which desires to be lead and conform

Posted by: jared | Aug 6 2022 16:42 utc

But do they actually "choose" to be led and conform? Or have they been so brainwashed and made fearful by the education, political, corporate and other social, moral gatekeepers that they have no critical thinking skills left?

I bet if you asked conforming people if they would wear a mask or willingly go to the Ukie-nazi front lines if they didn't believe doing so alleviated some threat. But, as Milgram, Zimbardo and Bernays show, most are conditioned to blindly accept "authority". The small percent who don't are attacked from all sides, by the "authorities", but also by the misled true believers.

"There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" Gothe

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 6 2022 17:18 utc | 165

@ scorpion

@ PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 17:07 utc | 166

that was what i was thinking too - "Military Summary Channel And Analysis and Defense Politics Asia put a lot of effort into consolidating the torrent of sources and reports and try to be unbiased in their coverage............" i know of no other way to stay abreast of all this...

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 17:20 utc | 166

This bar gives some people the "feel nice" feeling by criticising their own governments, the EU/NATO/US government actions, their own leaders in Ukrainian war, even though it is not that easy to have the "feel-nice"feeling, when it comes to the US.

Foreign Minister Lavrov...

On August 6, 1945, the United States launched an atomic attack on Hiroshima, and three days later on Nagasaki.

To this day, the terrible death of innocent civilians echoes with pain in the hearts of millions of people on the planet. Even with a clear understanding of the origins and course of the Second World War, it is difficult to fully understand what guided those who planned and carried out such an inhuman act.

The offensive of the Soviet troops in the Far East, within the framework of the allied agreements, not only liberated China and Korea, but also deprived Japan of the motivation to continue military operations.

In such circumstances, the American atomic bombings were essentially a show of force and a combat test of nuclear weapons on civilians.

The United States is the first and only country to use this type of weapon of mass destruction.

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 18:06 utc | 167

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 17:07 utc | 166

Gracias por nada Signor!

Your more informed reply confirmed my less informed opinion that getting detailed, accurate battlefield info whilst battle still under way is fruitless endeavor.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 6 2022 18:37 utc | 168

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2022 17:20 utc | 169

Thanks...

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 6 2022 18:57 utc | 169

Some people say that one doesn't choose when and where to be born, some others say that every individual has a say in where and when to be born, even chose their own parents before birth. The question is for those, who had been born after 6th August 1945 in the USA; do you feel a part of a genocidal country? Do you feel responsible for the mass murder of Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or, is it just nothing for you?

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 19:40 utc | 170

In response to
"
Some people say that one doesn't choose when and where to be born, some others say that every individual has a say in where and when to be born, even chose their own parents before birth. The question is for those, who had been born after 6th August 1945 in the USA; do you feel a part of a genocidal country? Do you feel responsible for the mass murder of Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or, is it just nothing for you?

Posted by: rp | Aug 6 2022 19:40 utc | 173
"

Are you new to the MoA bar? Maybe its new information to you but the same people that have their jackboot on Americans are the same in the UK, EU, and most of the world. We collectively, not individually by nation, are responsible for the Devil

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 6 2022 19:58 utc | 171

rp@170 - Here's why I have a problem with statements like that. Five months before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Operation Meetinghouse - a U.S. firebombing raid on Tokyo - incinerated between 80,000 and 100,000 civilian men, women and children in a single night. I doubt you could find 1 in 1000 Americans that even know what that was or how many died, even though the death toll exceeded Nagasaki and Hiroshima individually.

An armada of 334 B-29 bombers followed from bases in the Mariana Islands, with 279 of them dropping 1,665 tons of incendiaries, including a half-million cylinders of napalm and white phosphorus. Dry, windy conditions aided the spread of the conflagration, which turned into a firestorm, destroying almost 16 square miles of the densely populated city.

Mock horror at the idea of using *nuclear weapons* to kill about the same amount somehow (to me) dilutes proper consideration of the larger moral depravity of the mass slaughter of civilians and war in general. 55 million civilians were killed in WWII. Were those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki somehow more tragic? Would you rather watch your child suffocate and burn to death in a mass firebombing raid or watch them incinerated in 20 milliseconds by a man-made sun? The answer, of course, is neither.

Lavrov: "...Even with a clear understanding of the origins and course of the Second World War, it is difficult to fully understand what guided those who planned and carried out such an inhuman act."

Bullshit. Lavrov probably knows more than anybody "what guided" those decision makers: a long chain of stupidity, greed, arrogance and psychopathy that inevitably put someone in a position where they couldn't make any other decision. No 'individual' is ever responsible for those kinds of decisions. The entire system is eventually primed for the 'proper' answer: annihilation of the 'enemy' at any cost.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 20:16 utc | 172

@79

Why would I feel responsible for something that occurred 24 years before I was born?

No, it's not nothing. It's another example of the barbarous nature of humans in general.

Fucking idiot.

Posted by: David F | Aug 6 2022 20:47 utc | 173

Oops. @173.

Posted by: David F | Aug 6 2022 20:48 utc | 174

There will soon be the usual frantic search for scapegoats.
Failure is an orphan.

Posted by: paul | Aug 6 2022 20:58 utc | 175

An other video of executed Russian prisoners of war has surfaced.

Another war crime by Ua army. Remember this as well. Day will come...

Irrefutable evidence of the execution of Russian prisoners of war by Ukrainian militants - at the disposal of Readovka were videos taken shortly before the brutal execution of our soldiers and immediately after it. Detailed analysis of the evidence and circumstances of the tragedy

Readovka obtained video footage proving the atrocities of the Ukrainian military against Russian prisoners of war. On the first video, provided by the "ZOV" team channel, our soldiers are brought by car to the place of massacre, on the second - cynical abuse of the corpses of the military immediately after the execution. Comparing these videos, we came to the conclusion that both videos contain the same prisoners, and both videos are episodes of the same crime committed by the Kyiv military. Moreover, both the faces of the killers and their identification marks appear in the videos. You can find a detailed analysis of the material by following the link on our website.

It is obvious that before us is a documented fact of the crime by the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, all the defendants have not yet suffered any punishment. There is no reaction of the world community to this egregious crime against humanity committed by the Ukrainian military.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/4498

The video was originally posted by Readovka on their Telegram channel. An analysis of the videos is published on their web site:

Evidence of the mass murder of Russian prisoners of war by soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - a detailed analysis of Readovka

Readovka obtained a video taken shortly before the cruel execution of our soldiers and immediately after it. Detailed analysis of the evidence and circumstances of the tragedy

On August 3, we published a video filmed by Ukrainian militants this spring at the end of March in the Chernihiv region. It depicts the bodies of unarmed Russian prisoners of war, shot in cold blood in the head. The executioners, who dealt with our soldiers in defiance of all the provisions of the Geneva Convention, sneered at the dead and boasted with laughter that they shot one while trying to escape.

Readovka has received new video footage proving the atrocities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against Russian prisoners of war. In the video, three of our soldiers, blindfolded with tape, are brought in a car and unloaded for brutal reprisal. Comparing the two videos in detail, we found that the footage shows the same soldiers, and the action in the second video takes place shortly before the prisoners of war are on the ground, shot in the head at point blank range.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 6 2022 21:00 utc | 176

"But do they actually "choose" to be led and conform?"
Old canadian 168

I suspect we are all highly susceptible to going along with the tribe. The illusion of personal agency exists up until the point you try to exercise it. Thereafter things get much more complex.

Continuing mask wearing may be due to individuals trying to gain a perceived advantage. If there really is a deadly virus in the environment but time has mitigated its danger, then continuing to wear a mask might convey some kind of slender advantage. Its a basic evolutionay response surely. That the actual dangers might be evaluated quite differently has little traction when the information terrain is so difficult to navigate.

Posted by: Cyclops | Aug 6 2022 22:45 utc | 177

war is a complicated mess... all sorts of disinfo can be very useful in war.. one has to question everything. james 117

"Jim had no doubt which was real. The real war was everything he had seen for himself since the Japanese invasion of China in 1937, the old battlegrounds at Hungjao and Lunghua where the bones of the unburied dead rose to the surface of the paddy fields each spring. Real war was the thousands of Chinese refugees dying of cholera in the sealed stockades at Pootung, and the bloody heads of communist soldiers mounted on pikes along the bund. In a real war no one knew which side he was on, and there were no flags or commentators or winners. In a real war there were no enemies."

Empire of the Sun. J.G. Ballard

Posted by: Cyclops | Aug 6 2022 22:58 utc | 178

Posted by: Cyclops | Aug 6 2022 22:58 utc | 181

Yes and written by one who had good reason to know and understand. He spent his early teenage years as a Japanese prisoner. empire of the Sun was largely autobiographical.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 6 2022 23:07 utc | 179

Posted by: ZX | Aug 5 2022 23:02 utc | 86
»lurid stories of the enemy doing unspeakable acts of bestial evil are as old as war itself«

True enough. Child rape & sacrifice, cannibalism, throwing babies against walls, flayed skins on the city walls.
What sets the "table" in this war is the effort to control Ukrainian soldiers, instilling into them that it is worse to surrender/be captured than to fight to the death, has been the propaganda/collective psychosis about how normal it is for Russians to commit atrocities, it is their second nature, they have no object but to maim civilians randomly, they are too stupid for any successful military action but being brutal & sadistic, etc. Within this mental universe, everything is about atrocities.

Posted by: Webej | Aug 7 2022 0:22 utc | 180

Thank you for that link, Steven Starr.
No wonder I couldn't find it, it wasn't Odessa.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 7 2022 0:57 utc | 181

PavewayIV | Aug 6 2022 20:16 utc | 175

"...Five months before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Operation Meetinghouse - a U.S. firebombing raid on Tokyo - incinerated between 80,000 and 100,000 civilian men, women and children in a single night..."

Grave of the Fireflies 1988, animated

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 7 2022 1:18 utc | 182

Amnesty International report on Ukrainian war crimes gets the close look by anti-spiegel.ru

Here: "Why Amnesty's report on Ukrainian war crimes is surprising
Amnesty International has accused Ukraine of serious war crimes in a report. Kyiv protests and Western media such as Der Spiegel put the report into perspective. "

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/warum-der-amnesty-bericht-ueber-ukrainische-kriegsverbrechen-ueberraschend-ist/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2022 1:21 utc | 183

Posted by: mtw | Aug 5 2022 17:24 utc | 9

Good analysis. Yes, US towed artillery is made light to support US combined arms doctrine, which attempts to harmonize maneuver with firepower. Concordantly, competently executed maneuver results in economy of force, meaning fewer artillery rounds fired and less muzzle fatigue. Ukraine's military, though, is built around Soviet-era doctrine, which as Russia is demonstrating is fairly one-dimensional: just saturate impact area with artillery until the return fire from the impact area stops. M777s definitely are not built for that.

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Aug 7 2022 1:22 utc | 184

A look at Amnesty International from the anti-spiegel.ru
"Why Amnesty's report on Ukrainian war crimes is surprising"

My last post on this got knocked out by the goblins.

The fact that Amnesty International has accused Ukraine of serious war crimes is a surprising sensation. That is why Kyiv and the Western media are reacting so violently to the report. Here I will show why the Amnesty report is a surprising sensation.
Amnesty is completely opaque

Amnesty International claims that it does not accept funds from states, but this cannot be verified because Amnesty is completely opaque about its finances.

The latest income report from Amnesty International's international parent organization reports for 2016. It puts the total income at £68.4 million, with £62.8 million coming from Amnesty International's national organisations. Foundations have also contributed nearly £4 million. Among them were well-known people, such as George Soros' Open Society Foundation or the Postcode Lottery from the Netherlands (more on that later) and Sweden.

So to understand how Amnesty International is funded, you have to look at the national sub-organizations, because they contribute over 90 percent of the income of Amnesty's international umbrella organization. However, the national "amnesties" are also completely non-transparent.

The German branch of Amnesty International also gives practically no information about the origin of the funds in its annual report and in its profit and loss account . One only learns that 53 percent of the total income of 25.7 million euros comes from sponsors and a further 30 percent from donations. But who the sponsors and donors are is not revealed.

But there is much, much more to consider here.

Methinks Zelensky is for the gallows.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2022 1:48 utc | 185

bevin #163

"Surely, this is something worth understanding and to welcome? And to prompt asking: How can the people of the world draw inspiration and follow the examples of the self-determination struggles in Donbas and Crimea and the decisions of the Russian government to refuse to abide by imperialist diktat?"

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/08/06/shedding-light-on-who-exactly-is-responsible-for-the-war-in-ukraine/


Thank you Bevin, much appreciated.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2022 1:54 utc | 186

the pessimist@185 - Thanks. Best Anime | Grave of the fireflies english dub

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 7 2022 3:21 utc | 187

I'm thinking this M777 might be a handy mobile weapon to use against infantry forces with limited artillery like the Taliban, in other words, a safari gun. In an artillery duel with an industrial warfare power like Russia, not so good.

Posted by: paperlesstiger | Aug 7 2022 3:38 utc | 188

PavewayIV @175--

Lavrov says, "it is difficult to fully understand," not he doesn't understand. Given the values he was enculturated with (and me as well), We can rationalize such behavior but we cannot condone it whatsoever since its beastly, inhumane, uncivilized, whatever similar adjective you want to use. That's why news of all that bombing was suppressed during and after the war. The act to censor IMO was driven by shame and also horror at their actions. But I'll confess I felt different when I was growing up in the 1960s. Maturity helps greatly.

I write often that humanity's in its infancy as a species and needs to mature. We see most of the world agreeing with that and wanting to get on with it. The Outlaw US Empire is acting as an anchor on human development. Let's hope it doesn't do anything worse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2022 4:54 utc | 189

Paperless Tiger [190]

Although given US designation M 777 this gun is a BAe built field gun originally designed by Vickers as UFH in Barrow. The US took over component supply and manufactures gun barrel but UK produces titanium parts.

No doubt it was a procurement requirement for a field gun to be moved by Chinook or rapid deployment force even Royal Marines

It was sold to Ukraine to get rid and recover full cost of $2million a copy no doubt. Kiev is run by scrap merchants paying too dollar on credit for anything they can trade and some of it they give to the dead men walking facing RussiIan artillery

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 7 2022 5:46 utc | 190

karlof1@191 - "The Outlaw US Empire is acting as an anchor on human development. Let's hope it doesn't do anything worse."

I'm responsible for every last thing the Outlaw US Empire does, Karlof1. I AM the US - there is no evil entity - government or otherwise - that is separate and distinct from me. I own it all - it's mine to fix. Apparently, my God-given gift of opposable thumbs and acerbic wit isn't enough. What the hell's up with that?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 7 2022 5:57 utc | 191

@ PavewayIV | Aug 7 2022 5:57 utc | 193 who wrote
"
Apparently, my God-given gift of opposable thumbs and acerbic wit isn't enough. What the hell's up with that?
"

LOL!
I am using my opposable thumbs to play my Russian RAV Vast drums and think of them as my butterfly wings beating feverishly into the prevailing wind of the shit show part of our Cosmos.

Russia and China are going to do the heavy listing here and now. It is up to us pond scum to take advantage of the opportunity offered by the take down brought about by the China/Russia axis. I don't know what that looks like exactly or how long it takes and I might not live long enough to see much of the outcome but hope to see enough to know if it represents "real evolution" of our species.
Keep your powder dry...so to speak. I expect you to know when to do what, believe in yourself.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2022 6:15 utc | 192

listing = lifting......sigh....late night editing/not

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2022 6:16 utc | 193

Sam Smith #132

A little off topic, but why is it that the Saker aka Andrei Raevsky and Dmitry Orlov all look like Karl Marx???

Thank you Sam, I have not yet seen a photograph or sketch of Karl Marx arse but I take it your comparison is correct.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2022 9:52 utc | 194

PavewayIV @194--

Yes, we both own it in the sense that we're citizens who know what a citizen's duties are. But we are too few to oust the bureaucratic monster that was created and instilled with a dysfunctional ideology well before we were born. We try but note the too few responses to our comments on this thread. We need more vehicles to carry our flag.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2022 19:25 utc | 195


@170, 173, 174, 175, re: Truman certainly made US the terrorist nation it is today. 3/20/2019, “Was Harry Truman one of the worst terrorists of all time? If words mean anything anymore–then absolutely, yes.” David S. D’Amato, libertarianism.org. “The United States government of today is arguably more Truman’s than it is any other president’s, one of thoughtless cruelty and mechanized violence, of lawless, arbitrary power exercised by an officialdom responsible to no one."...https://www.libertarianism.org/everything-wrong-presidents/everything-wrong-truman-administration...Truman quickly set up institutions known as the "post WWII liberal order," including the War Industry to which US taxpayers are enslaved.

Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 8 2022 1:00 utc | 196

@Arioch #85:

Dude, that's lame. They have pre-translated channel from get go!!!

@Petri Krohn #93:

The Russian MoD also has an English language Telegram channel at https://t.me/s/mod_russia_en

I’m well aware of that, but the English-language channel is an auto-join private channel, meaning, one has to install the Telegram app to read it, whereas the Russian-language channel is a public channel, meaning, one can read it in a web browser (using Google Translate). Most people prefer the latter because they don’t want to install the Telegram app.

Posted by: S | Aug 13 2022 17:10 utc | 197

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