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August 28, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-141

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

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this article manages to run in opposite directions
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 28 2022 16:55 utc | 67
Case in point (on topic), Dan Sabbagh, Defence and security editor
FIVE PREDICTIONS for the next six months in the war in Ukraine“, The Guardian, UK edition
Lede:

1. The war will probably run on for a year at least but is essentially deadlocked and its intensity is lessening Six months of war may have gone by, but neither Ukraine nor Russia are ready to stop fighting, despite the losses they have sustained. Ukraine wants its occupied territories back, and Russia wants to keep inflicting pain not just on its opponent but, by proxy, the west also. The Kremlin believes winter will play to its advantage. …

Conclusion:

5. The west needs to decide if it wants Ukraine to win or just hold on[,] and it needs to match humanitarian help to the huge need Ukraine would have been defeated without western military aid. But at no point so far has the west supplied enough artillery or other weapons, such as fighter jets, that would allow Kyiv to drive the invaders back. Politicians talk about the need to force Russia to the prewar borders but do not provide enough materiel to do it.
At the same time, Ukraine’s humanitarian need is growing. There is, for example, nowhere near enough money for reconstruction – and many homes north-east and north-west of Kyiv remain ruined five months after the Russians left, often with despairing residents living in garages or temporary structures on site.
People who are displaced internally often have to live in schools or kindergartens, temporary accommodation that people struggle to stay in for an extended period of time. Ukraine has a budget gap of $5bn (£4.2bn) a month because of the war; aid and reconstruction will cost many times that.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 18:25 utc | 101

@Oui #31:

https://exxpress.at/17-messerstiche-attentaeterin-im-mordfall-darya-dugina-angeblich-tot/

@circumspect #33:

One poster said that paper is like the National Enquirer in the US. An exceeding hyper rag and very easy to get an article in with some dollars spread around.

Indeed. The article features Vovk’s National Guard ID with RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan’s photo and name photoshopped in, subtitled: “This ID card from the Ukrainian army is said to be fake.” Well, of course, this fake ID that was poorly photoshopped by the Ukrainians to “show how easy it is to fake stuff” is fake (i.e., actually showing the reverse), but the original ID that Russian hackers have published on April 13 is real. The newspaper is a rag.

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2022 18:27 utc | 102

fun changing street names and other hypernationalistic nonsense.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 28 2022 18:20 utc | 100
Kind of spanish-y in Catalunya. Or British in Myanmar.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 18:30 utc | 103

TASS/. Austria’s interior ministry has not confirmed reports about alleged murder of Ukrainian national Natalia Vovk, a suspected murderer of Russian journalist Darya Dugina.
“We can say that we know nothing about such a case. That is why we cannot confirm this information,” a ministry spokesman told TASS on Sunday.
Earlier, reports about Vovk’s alleged murder was spread in the Telegram messenger and reposted by Austria’s Exxpress.
Darya Dugina, 29, worked in mass media outlets, including as a correspondent in Donbass. She was killed in the evening of August 20, when an explosive device went off in her car travelling along a highway near the village of Bolshiye Vyazyomy, the Moscow Region.
Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) told TASS on August 22 that Dugina’s murder had been solved. According to the FSB, the murder had been masterminded by Ukrainian intelligence agencies and executed by Ukrainian national Natalia Vovk, who fled to Estonia.
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Now if someone wants a hunted person not to be hunted anymore, declare him dead!
That being said, the death is good for blaming Russia!
So 100% fake

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 28 2022 18:49 utc | 104

My question is, why does this man not understand his own family history, re: Russia vs. Nazi’s in Ukraine WW1 and WW2?
There was some bad blood – recalcitrant Poles and Jews in Poland whom were turned over to the German Nazi’s as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop accord which divided Poland’s land btw Russia and Germany.
Perhaps some of the great grandchildren of these hold that grudge. Passed down family history.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Aug 28 2022 18:55 utc | 105

History Buff
The Rus didn’t invade Russia but assisted in establishing Russia. They were traders, not invaders. You can read about it here:
https://youtu.be/W3CvfrmHpt4?t=434
I am sure we Swedes will resume friendly relations with Russia, but not until our present rulers have been overthrown. We are related, to say the least.

Posted by: Lennart Mogren | Aug 28 2022 18:55 utc | 106

Posted by: Oui | Aug 28 2022 14:32 utc | 16
The loss of Hillary was falsely blamed on Russia … RussiaGate was actually IntelliGate … all intelligence agencies wanted to rid America of Trump …
Not strictly true. U.S. military intellence regarded Clinton as a genuine national security threat and actively opposed her. Trump by contrast had a good relationship with it and generally deferred to their assessments, though he was particularly wary of Naval Intelligence.
There is and has always been a split between military intelligence and the civilian intelligence agencies in the U.S. The latter is hopelessly compromised (politically and by foreign intelligence agencies) and is regarded as such by USMI.

Posted by: FC 99 | Aug 28 2022 18:56 utc | 107

Orgel | Aug 28 2022 16:08 utc | 52
I think when it comes to an individual woman being hacked to death, while being a fugitive in a foreign country, every source that’s actually a source is reliable. The weird links here are neither sources nor reliable.

sean the leprechaun | Aug 28 2022 16:03 utc | 50
Melaleuca | Aug 28 2022 16:25 utc | 58
Interesting stuff, with your codes there!
The deep cover – I can’t imagine that’ll work for her, at least not in Europe. She’s certainly not going to stay in Estonia. If she doesn’t have her new country picked for her by handlers, she’ll probably move to Germany at some point. But an attention-seeking bimbo like her will eventually be found out. A forty-something who’s had plastic surgery and dresses like a 20-year-old, desperate and unstable, how’s she going to keep a cover?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 28 2022 18:59 utc | 108

sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 18:25 utc | 101
Thanks for this additional Guardian article showing Russia delusion syndrome – there must be a technical name for people holding together (attempting to hold) two opposing world views with attendant aims and emotions, I mean apart from stupid
This is a kind of generalised false consciousness which has infected all classes in the west ?

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 28 2022 19:07 utc | 109

@Chaka Khagan | Aug 28 2022 13:34 utc | 2
[Why does even a lapsed Jew hate Putin?
Likely because most of his friends are also Jewish. At least one is: you wrote, “He has a jewish friend, David, an atty, who reads the NYT, so I know Dave is totally lost”.
If your friend the retired surgeon wants to keep his besties, he must show at least some of their attitudes. And at the moment, Russia-hating (and therefore Putin-hating) is a necessary attitude if one wants to be accepted by Jews. Hating the Putler is a part of Jewish group identity, as certain signs and handshakes are part of the identity of some gangs in LA.
The Jews are desperate. The unipolar world, dominated by their propaganda, is crashing around their ears. This is obvious in Russia’s slow grinding down of the Ukraine. And it is also obvious in the fact that BRICS will soon have most of the world’s real GDP.
We also see that more than three-quarters of Americans no longer trust their (Jewish dominated) media. So even the Jews’ control of the unipolar powerhouse is faltering. There will likely be some reckoning for all the lies in the New York Times (NYT) and most of the mainstream media.
So the Jews must huddle even more tightly together, as any group under threat does. This is probably why your surgeon friend must hate the president of Russia.

Posted by: Cyril | Aug 28 2022 19:09 utc | 110

Have you seen this video, shot in a rare fit of honesty…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs_MXfPrpC0
Please share…

Posted by: Nico | Aug 28 2022 19:17 utc | 111

@sln2002 101
The war will probably run on for a year at least but is essentially deadlocked and its intensity is lessening Six months of war may have gone by, but neither Ukraine nor Russia are ready to stop fighting, despite the losses they have sustained. Ukraine wants its occupied territories back, and Russia wants to keep inflicting pain not just on its opponent but, by proxy, the west also. The Kremlin believes winter will play to its advantage. …
Nothing but a narrative designed to give cover for governments to authorize spending for “the war.” which is actualy just a subsidy for the weapons manufacterers.
The west needs to decide if it wants Ukraine to win or just hold on[,] and it needs to match humanitarian help to the huge need Ukraine would have been defeated without western military aid. But at no point so far has the west supplied enough artillery or other weapons, such as fighter jets, that would allow Kyiv to drive the invaders back. Politicians talk about the need to force Russia to the prewar borders but do not provide enough materiel to do it.
The west HAS decided. This is about making money and Ukraine is the collateral.
At the same time, Ukraine’s humanitarian need is growing. There is, for example, nowhere near enough money for reconstruction – and many homes north-east and north-west of Kyiv remain ruined five months after the Russians left, often with despairing residents living in garages or temporary structures on site.
Correct. I am not Ukrainian. Have you seen the price of gas this week?
People who are displaced internally often have to live in schools or kindergartens, temporary accommodation that people struggle to stay in for an extended period of time. Ukraine has a budget gap of $5bn (£4.2bn) a month because of the war; aid and reconstruction will cost many times that.
Ukraine has a budget gap of $5b a month because of its leaders. There will be no aid. Who is bearing the brunt of the fighting in the Donbas? Citizen militas. And that is who will be responsible for “rebuilding” Ukraine. Not the West. Not Russia.

Posted by: Metron | Aug 28 2022 19:19 utc | 112

Posted by: Metron | Aug 28 2022 19:19 utc | 112
Yes but I think that the cause for the “deadlock” at the moment is that RF is looking for a catalyst to spur the next push within their troops. Maybe the referenda in the new territories.
Otherwise, if it stand as it is now, they will need to out-kill the Ukrainian mobilization rate. That will take a long time.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 28 2022 19:32 utc | 113

Posted by: Joe Walker | Aug 28 2022 17:07 utc | 75
“Geoff “You’re not alone. Everyone I’ve worked with to try to deprogram”
Brilliant post. Whilst 9/11 didn’t terrify me (it took me 17 months to work it out), covid seriously did, cos all the official statistics indicated there was no pandemic. The official death rate was no different from normal – yet the press, were terrifying us all to death.
With 9/11, I told everyone I knew, that the Official US Government story, did not comply with the basic laws of physics and maths. It didn’t do me any good – especially at work, so I learnt to keep my mouth shut, unless asked, cos I was p1ssing everyone off. They all thought I had gone mad.
with covid, there had to be another explanation.
so – I did much the same again, except this time, I had to ban myself from Facebook, cos people started phoning my wife up, complaining about me – “go back to work – there is no pandemic – etc”
almost everyone I knew believed the propaganda. I lost almost all my friends, about to be or already jabbed (most are still alive)
I thought how the hell, do I convince my wife and my son, not to get jabbed?
I used many of the subtle techniques, you described in your post. I soon realised there was no point in arguing, but would on occasion, come out with subtle hints, and still do – like the latest young athlete to drop dead of a heart attack..You see any connection?
You never achieve anything, by trying to ram your point of view, into anyone’s head, but if you occasionaly drop a few hints ( a bit like leading the horse to water – except the horse won’t drink it, cos he can smell it – he knows its poisoned), and admit you could be wrong…we might yet save it.

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Aug 28 2022 19:32 utc | 114

@DutchZ 17
Beware of the US masters of propaganda, who work for the wealthy and powerful oligarchs, and their amazing ability to redefine words to support their agendas. Particularly Wikipedia which is one of their preferred organs.
Here is Franklin Delaney Roosevelt, 29 April, 1938, from his, “Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies”
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.”
For context see, e.g. Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies.
As you can see, comparing definitions, somehow the fascist oligarchs have been removed from the definition describing their pernicious effect on society.

Posted by: Hermit | Aug 28 2022 19:36 utc | 115

Of much greater importance to geopolitical outcome is economic repurcussions.
jared | Aug 28 2022 14:31 utc | 15
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Excellent comment. The pace and tactics of Russia’s SMO in Ukraine is proving more constructive than destructive, by design, something we in the West can’t seem to grasp from our warped frame of reference, where “nation-building” is obvious bullshit. We’re still unable to perceive the SMO as anything but war really, maybe war lite at best.
It’s not. Russia is carefully demilitarizing and denatzifying Ukraine, while allowing the West to starve itself. It is also careful not to corner the obviously wounded US predator to avoid provoking its most vicious, deadly (nuclear) strikes.
Your insight into economic development preceding geopolitics is spot-on — in stark contrast to the almost exclusive illegal sanctions military force model of the US Empire, a purely punitive approach. While developing its own economic renewal and, in cooperation with China, that of the rest of the world, is slowly but surely neutering the US/ZATO and rendering it irrelevant. This is not blitzkrieg speed chess. 

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 28 2022 19:42 utc | 116

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life. …”Conception of a corporative state”
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 17:58 utc | 91
Bingo! Mussolini distinguishes the Fascist state from the liberal night-watchman state. What we have today in the west is a Fascists state, whose mission it is to teach us to be more tolerant and have more solidarity.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Aug 28 2022 19:45 utc | 117

Military Summary Channel reporting that the Russian “3rd military Corp.” of 40-60,000 soldiers has completed its training and equipping, and is moving through Rostov toward the front. This size of group would create a breakthrough wherever they are sent, perhaps to the Donetsk front (Maryinka, Avdeevka etc.) or the Kherson area (to take Nikolyevka and Odessa). Dima thinks the the latter area is more probable. The Ukrainians have little or no strategic reserves left, so the only result will be a weakening of one front to reinforce the one being attacked by this new Corp., resulting in both fronts collapsing.
Anything like this will completely change the nature of the battlefield, destroy the Western narrative, and greatly undermine the Zelensky regime. All at the start of the European Winter from Hell. It will be interesting to see how the Ukrainians, Western leaders, and Western MSM will react.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 28 2022 19:47 utc | 118

They don’t give up, but the attacks the nature of the attacks are a sign of desperation not effective!
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TASS/. Five illuminating mortar bombs were fired by Ukrainian troops at the coastal territory of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant to cause fire, the military-civilian administration of the city of Energodar said on Sunday.
“Five illuminating mortar bombs were fired at the Zaporozhye NPP’s coastal territory. The militants targeted dry grass on the coastal territory near the plant. They obviously wanted to cause fire hazards and smoke to stage further provocations with the use of kamikaze drones,” it wrote on its Telegram channel.
The Energodar administration said earlier that Russian troops had prevented a terror attack against the Zaporozhye station. They downed a Ukrainian kamikaze drone targeting the plant’s nuclear waste storage facility. The drone’s munition detonated when it crashed on the plant’s roof. No one was hurt, no damage was done to the plant’s infrastructure.
Located in the city of Energodar, the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is controlled by Russian troops. In recent days, Ukrainian forces delivered several strikes at its territory using unmanned aerial vehicles, heavy artillery and multiple rocket launch systems. It most cases, such attacks were repelled by air defense systems but several shells hit infrastructure facilities and the vicinity of the nuclear waste storage.
TAGS

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 28 2022 19:51 utc | 119

alek_a@utc
The “cause” of the “deadlock” is strategic:
German Electricity Price increased to 699.44 EUR/MWh on Friday August 26 from 599.83 EUR/MWh in the previous day.
British energy market regulator Ofgem announced an 80-percent hike in the energy price cap aimed at shielding consumers from price swings, something that will have a “massive impact” on households in the country, as annual electricity expenditure soars to the pound equivalent of over $4,100.
US stocks plummeted on Friday following a warning from Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell that the central bank will not end its fight against rapid inflation anytime soon. Powell’s comments weighed on investors, who grappled with what more aggressive interest rate hikes might mean for the health of the economy. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 1,008.38 points, or 3.03%, to 32,283.40, with losses accelerating into the close. The S&P 500 fell 3.37% to 4,057.66, and the Nasdaq Composite slid 3.94% to 12,141.71.
To those with only a short-term memory, you will recall that Putin said at the outset Russia was not responsible for what was getting ready to happen in the West. This is to what he was referring.
Military tactics are designed around strategic considerations. Like creating a westward refugee stampede. IN WINTER. Like putting troops on Ukraine’s northern border. WHILE YOU’RE SEIZING TERRITORY IN THE SOUTH. Like reducing gas flows. WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED MOST.
You really need to read history. Too many young people on this site with no understanding of anything military before the Gulf War.

Posted by: Metron | Aug 28 2022 19:54 utc | 120

@ sln2002 #109

Thanks for this additional Guardian article showing Russia delusion syndrome – there must be a technical name for people holding together (attempting to hold) two opposing world views with attendant aims and emotions, I mean apart from stupid

Welcome to a Science-Fiction Planet: How George Orwell’s Doublethink Became the Way of the World
Barsamian: I’ve got a little puzzle for you. It’s in two parts. Russia’s military is inept and incompetent. Its soldiers have very low morale and are poorly led. Its economy ranks with Italy’s and Spain’s. That’s one part. The other part is Russia is a military colossus that threatens to overwhelm us. So, we need more weapons. Let’s expand NATO. How do you reconcile those two contradictory thoughts?
Chomsky: Those two thoughts are standard in the entire West. I just had a long interview in Sweden about their plans to join NATO. I pointed out that Swedish leaders have two contradictory ideas, the two you mentioned. One, gloating over the fact that Russia has proven itself to be a paper tiger that can’t conquer cities a couple of miles from its border defended by a mostly citizens’ army. So, they’re completely militarily incompetent. The other thought is: they’re poised to conquer the West and destroy us.
George Orwell had a name for that. He called it doublethink, the capacity to have two contradictory ideas in your mind and believe both of them. Orwell mistakenly thought that was something you could only have in the ultra-totalitarian state he was satirizing in 1984. He was wrong. You can have it in free democratic societies. We’re seeing a dramatic example of it right now. Incidentally, this is not the first time.

Posted by: ? | Aug 28 2022 20:19 utc | 121

Chaka Kagan
Over the years I’ve known many who self-identify as Russian Jews. Predictable in Chicago and around fringes of academia. Some would always qualify that as “a Russian Jew from Odessa.” Now every last one of them is a Ukrainian Jew. Most who were formerly Lithuanian Jews are now Ukrainian Jews. A few who were formerly Polish Jews are now Ukrainian Jews. They all fly the blue and yellow and adore Zelensky, who can do no wrong. This started some years back, I can recall being puzzled by all the Jewish people taking Ukrainian language classes and all those who take vacations to Ukraine. Very puzzled by those who show vacation photos of themselves and their families posing in front of the Bandera monument in Lvov. This morning I circulated this link to my last remaining East European Jewish friend.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/6450
I got an angry phone call in return. Rabbi Norman Finkel (in the link) is a Nazi. As a goy I have no business saying one word about Jews. I am clearly anti-Semitic. If I won’t have the decency to kill myself someone can be found who will. All this from a quiet shy old man who spent a lifetime working for far left causes. Someone who has no difficulty separating the Jewish religion and the Jewish state. Who criticizes Israel all the time.
Group solidarity trumps everything.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 28 2022 20:20 utc | 122

At Nico 111
Thanks for Black’s interview; a former Marine in Vietnam, and judge on war crimes.
Very spot on

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 28 2022 20:21 utc | 123

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 17:58 utc | 91
Modern day fascism is called public private partnership (ppp)

Posted by: turandot | Aug 28 2022 20:22 utc | 124

Several analyses of the DNA of Ashgenazi Jews have been made, as well as analyses of the DNA of the Palestinians.
The Jews were found to have 40% of their DNA from Mongolians, the rest from Slavs.
The Palestinians were found to be more than 80% from Semitic peoples.
It would seem that the children of Christ are being persecuted by the descendants of Ghengis Khan.
You can’t make this stuff up!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 28 2022 20:42 utc | 125

@ aristodemos 54
Thanks for the well-informed comment on genital mutilation.
It is an absolutely barbaric practice and just another reason why Christianity should be considered the one, true universal faith that has emanated from the Logos.
How it differentiates itself from eastern religions, in a similar vain as not requiring a traumatic rite-of-passage initiation (other than “confirmation”) as in the case of other monotheisms, is that whereas eastern religions carry with it the possibility of birth into a lower caste for some reason unknown to the subject, Christianity stresses the absolute equality of every human soul and the lifting up of those born to lesser circumstances.
My conversion to Christianity occurred well into my 20s, where my liberal education had failed me entirely and where eastern spirituality could not plug the leaking vessel of my soul.
I also remember feeling very self-conscious about not having a mutilated penis. I even went to see my PCP to investigate the circumcision process.
Thankfully, my doctor was incredulous at such a notion and said that it was a very bad idea for a number of reasons.
Soon after, I began to investigate cognitive therapy techniques for my own thinking and began to read Kierkegaard about suffering in an aChristian-world.

A coworker of mine from some years ago and I used to talk about globalism and its intersection with satanism, of which he was a follower for years in his 20s. Baphomet is depicted as both male and female. Parallels can, of course, be seen today in the trans-movement, which was born out of proliferation and acceptance of homosexuality. It is no large wonder that trans-people are now being labeled as “groomers” on the interwebs. Making pedophilia normalized is the next step of sexual primacy within an increasingly globalist world and the stretching of its God-given intentions of procreation and enjoyment within a marriage of a man and woman.
My coworker told me he had the realization that instead of satanists who think they are fighting for all kinds of freedom from the monotheists, and especially the Catholics, they are instead unwilling accomplices and foot-soldiers of plucking children from their innocence before the age of reason and subjecting them to horror of being preyed upon by the powerful.
It isn’t faggy or dorky to be a Christian. Rather, it is its opposite: the family-life that Christianity makes possible, far be it for the detriment of the children (a la Jewish Sigmund Freud), is itself its primary protection until that life is fledgling.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 28 2022 20:44 utc | 126

Military Summary Channel reporting that the Russian “3rd military Corp.” of 40-60,000 soldiers has completed its training and equipping, and is moving through Rostov toward the front. This size of group would create a breakthrough wherever they are sent, perhaps to the Donetsk front (Maryinka, Avdeevka etc.) or the Kherson area (to take Nikolyevka and Odessa). Dima thinks the the latter area is more probable. The Ukrainians have little or no strategic reserves left, so the only result will be a weakening of one front to reinforce the one being attacked by this new Corp., resulting in both fronts collapsing.
Anything like this will completely change the nature of the battlefield, destroy the Western narrative, and greatly undermine the Zelensky regime. All at the start of the European Winter from Hell. It will be interesting to see how the Ukrainians, Western leaders, and Western MSM will react.

THINK!!!
What would you do with such a force???
Dima thinks a push on Nikoliaev/Odessa…
BUT…
The avowed high priority goal is liberation of Donetsk Republic/ elimination of shelling of Donetsk…
AND….
There is a critical need to cut Ukraine off from NATO’s tit…
SO….
MY ANALYSIS….
Russia will envelop Ukie forces via a push north with the Denipr River on it’s west flank to just east of Zaporizhe, there upon it will push NNE to Izum. Goal, envelop all Ukie forces on the front line, cutting them off from supplies, and crushing them between the front line and the mobile enveloping force.
At the same time….
Forces from SW Belarus will charge south along the Polish border to link up with forces in Trandinistra, cutting Ukraine off from NATO supplies/intervention.
This will put the Ukies in a quandry… where to send their limited reserves???
ANSWER….
The Grave….
Ie: check mate.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 28 2022 20:49 utc | 127

Oops, my apologies b, everyone, for posting my above comment here. Honest mistake. Delete it if you feel the need.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 28 2022 21:17 utc | 128

Dr. George W Oprisko, 127
So, which part of your study on coral reefs led you to this conclusion?

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 28 2022 21:18 utc | 129

Posted by: Nico | Aug 28 2022 19:17 utc | 111
Already circulating for two days on some Telegram channels.
Come comments don’t understand the meaning of what is said, unfortunately.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 28 2022 21:22 utc | 130

Some comments…

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 28 2022 21:22 utc | 131

I don’t know if it has been mentioned here, but Switzerland recently cancelled the popular referendum against the purchase of F-35, under the pretext of lack of time due to the war in Ukraine.
Apparently the Swiss emblems of neutrality and direct democracy have fallen on the Ukrainian front.
There is still chocolate, luxury watches and cleanliness, all is not lost.

Posted by: Marjorie | Aug 28 2022 21:27 utc | 132

Jonathan W@117
Ukrainian fascism is a most peculiar thing. It is designed to protect the oligarchs, native and foreign from a working class revolution that took place more than a century ago.
Thus the signature moves of the Ukrainian government in recent months have been: 1/ to ban political opposition. This was aimed at the Communist s and Socialist parties.
2/ to put an end to all laws protecting labour from arbitrary dismissal, wage theft, unsafe working conditions and wages below subsistence levels.
3/ to remove all remnants of the Soviet past of which basic social security, education, pensions and ‘welfare state’ benefits, including free medical care were part of the legacy.
4/ to end peasant land ownership and transfer Ukraine’s arable lands to oligarchs/corporations. National subsistence agriculture has been turned back to the historic commodity export grain farming of the Polish/Ukrainian past.
The fascists themselves-the followers of Bandera- originated in the Ukrainian nationalism that the German General Staff encouraged after the 1917 revolution.
We have come, politically, almost full circle: once again the ‘General Staff’ in the form of NATO is encouraging nationalistic fascists to eradicate the last traces of bolshevism. At the same time the Ukraine rejoins the European reaction against welfare and towards neo-liberalism: the Thatcherism of the EU.
All of which was exemplified in the Odessa Trade Union House massacre.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 28 2022 21:31 utc | 133

Russia’s new 3AC is volunteers ages 18-50, loose recruitment standards so not the fittest group but surely picked up some vets. Officer and NCO quality will be an issue, lots of “learning on the job”. Target size was 15k and they will probably deploy closer to 10, not 40-60k. Kit seems pretty good with some quantity of T-80 variants and BMP-3s, no idea about arty. I would expect this group to put pressure and have an effect on where Ukraine deploys its reserves but not be a decisive factor. These are Russians, not LDNR and not mercs like Wagner so wouldn’t expect them to be thrown headlong against fortified lines.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 28 2022 21:32 utc | 134

Marjorie@132
Don’t forget the cuckoo clocks mentioned in The Third Man.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 28 2022 21:33 utc | 135

Posted by: Marjorie | Aug 28 2022 21:27 utc | 132
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Well F35 so it will probably be nothing for the time being! lack of material ! Titan probably without no steal mode and some other . In the case of tanks, by the way, there is also a lack of material in Germany!
But even if that weren’t the case?
Are the delivery times already over 76 months for partial deliveries.
So lazy excuse in Switzerland !!!

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 28 2022 21:35 utc | 136

UK’s largest warship, one of only two aircraft carriers, HMS Prince of Wales, on a ‘landmark mission’ to America has broken down with mechanical failure.
The £3 billion ship is less than 2 years old.
Russia has little to fear from the UK navy in any Black Sea/Other skirmish.

Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 28 2022 21:36 utc | 137

Dr. George W Oprisko@127
The war will end at Poltava- why else would Sweden join the coalition?

Posted by: bevin | Aug 28 2022 21:39 utc | 138

Bevin@135
I suppose we will soon find some on the dark web.

Posted by: Marjorie | Aug 28 2022 21:41 utc | 139

Dr. George W Oprisko @ 127

3rd military Corp.” of 40-60,000 soldiers has completed its training and equipping, and is moving through Rostov toward the front

This would confirm that up to now the Russians for the last six months have been attacking and advancing, albeit slowly, with two corps, no more than 120K men – against a well entrenched defending army twice that size with all the logistics, command and control, weapons, and filthy lucre NATO could give them. Damn impressive, no way around it. It would make me optimistic if I didn’t fear the treacherous, unprincipled conniving schemes being cooked up in the West.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 28 2022 21:53 utc | 140

Roger@118
Thanks for the update. I’d only learned about the air-mobile contingent of some 16,000. That relatively massive force being sent up through Rostov, through Mariupol and onwards indicates that the onslaught will be in the South, most likely in the Kherson-Nikolaev front and onwards to encapsulate Odessa. No reason logistically to sent those troops to the Donbas fronts as those Ukie forces will be pinned and totally immobile and anyway, such a drive would have then logically been sent to the north of Kharkov.
Cutting off Kiev from highly desirable Black Sea frontage will immediately land-lock that puppet regime.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 28 2022 21:57 utc | 141

nwwoods | Aug 28 2022 18:15 utc | 98
True, they were probably fed that story by the state or a party worker.
sean the leprechaun | Aug 28 2022 16:03 utc | 50
I expect to run into her out here in California. She will probably head for the beach for a while then go to work for the G as a translator.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 22:00 utc | 142

Fascism == “stuff I don’t like”

Posted by: ian | Aug 28 2022 22:02 utc | 143

Can I ask a question here, of those who read Russian/Ukrainian news sources and also follow sport.
Is there strong rivalry between Russian/Ukrainian football teams. I ask this because it may help to understand the degree of hostility and the future way forward.
For example here in Australia there is very strong football rivalry between Qld and NSW and to a lesser extent NSW and Victoria. Under the right set of circumstances (generally economic collapse) this rivalry could be inflamed into violence and even war. Sounds ridiculous i know, but territorialism is almost a basic human instinct and easily stirred, even betwen practically homogeneous cultures.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 28 2022 22:18 utc | 144

Oprisko @138
Fascinating, your take on Poltava. It is an extension in time and space from earlier in the conflict when I envisioned Russian forces meeting up at Poltava. Interesting too, that a number of captured Swedish officers became subjects of the Tsar, with some of them developing into significant figures in Russian cultural and military matters. Mama Bear has had some history of being big on adoptions and adaptations.
Post Poltava, Sweden’s king, Karl den Tolvte, ran off to Turkish controlled areas in what is now southern Ukraine and ultimately made it back to his homeland where he fairly quickly assumed that he could at least conquer Norway. His second major lesson was a sharpshooter’s bullet to his head. Not many Norskies today get licenses and permits to hunt “Elg” which North Americans call “Moose”. Must have been one of those guys from about a dozen generations back.

Posted by: Aristodemos | Aug 28 2022 22:18 utc | 145

Posted by: watcher | Aug 28 2022 22:18 utc | 145
I know there was a “soccer war” between Honduras and El Salvador. Also, in Brazil, iirc, a referee was beheaded for excessive bias in favor of one of the teams.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 28 2022 22:26 utc | 146

They are removing witnesses. No loose ends
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:18 utc | 7
Or killing off the patsy.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 28 2022 17:30 utc | 80
Who is killing of the “pasty”? Could you clarify please? And who are “they” at #7?

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 28 2022 22:33 utc | 147

Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 28 2022 21:36 utc | 137
UK’s largest warship, one of only two aircraft carriers, HMS Prince of Wales, on a ‘landmark mission’ to America has broken down with mechanical failure.
The £3 billion ship is less than 2 years old.
Russia has little to fear from the UK navy in any Black Sea/Other skirmish.

Carriers aren’t going to be relevant to WW3. Too big, too expensive, too disastrous when you lose one, and hypersonics effectively make them indefensible. The main reason Britain built a couple was to suck up to the Americans. The British establishment is ever anxious to find new ways to spice up the ‘special relationship’, so the carriers are basically free taxis for the United States Marine Corps.
But, no. Russia has plenty to fear from NATO, hence the war. NATO’s land forces are a joke, but its combined naval and air forces are not. The British can create lots of problems for Russia’s surface and submarine fleets, especially in combination with the Dutch, French, Italians, etc. These are very dangerous times, I pray that the war ends soon with a decisive Russian victory.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 28 2022 22:35 utc | 148

Guernica @ 148
That was a quote from Slavyangrad. Who they are is something that came out of their mind. It could be total BS. I guess you have to look at it from their perspective to figure that out or email them and ask.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 22:40 utc | 149

ZX @ 149
Very smart. The further the Russians get from their supply lines the more vulnerable they are to American air and naval power. Explains why they go slow in Ukraine. Enter, conquer, consolidate, move to the next objective.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 28 2022 22:41 utc | 150

“Ukraine has a budget gap of $5b a month because of its leaders. There will be no aid. Who is bearing the brunt of the fighting in the Donbas? Citizen militas. And that is who will be responsible for “rebuilding” Ukraine. Not the West. Not Russia.”
Posted by: Metron | Aug 28 2022 19:19 utc | 112
The burden for rebuilding Eastern Ukraine will fall on Russia and the militia (and the people) of the Donbass. This part of Ukraine will never return to the fascist leadership of Kiev’s anti-Russian dictatorship.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 28 2022 22:49 utc | 151

@148 Killing pasties was an ancient custom in Cornwall, UK. No longer practiced as it is considered cruel and inhumane.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2022 22:51 utc | 152

Explaining Friday’s Price Surge
On 26 August the price of an hourly megawatt of electricity rose dramatically:
Italy – 86%, from €617.85 to €721.49
France – 89%, from €630.62 to €706.32
Germany – 86%, from €599.83 to €699.44
UK (price controls) – the equivilent of €614.13
This price rise was the result of futures traders, who bet in advance that the American Central Bank would deliver at speech that day that telegraphed gloomy economic news. They were generally correct. As a result, the prices will not return to Thursday’s prices come Monday.
You will begin to hear some extreme rhetoric from European governments in the coming weeks, as they see their own personal futures imperiled. As Putin said, there will be new elites in the West.

Posted by: Metron | Aug 28 2022 23:26 utc | 153

@Guernica #148:

Who is killing of the “pasty”?

Must be Woosie, a notorious serial killer of pasties: Cat survives 3 years away from home on Ginsters pasties (The Mirror, Alivia Smith, February 5, 2014).

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2022 23:28 utc | 154

@155 That may be true but leading archaeologists have discovered traces of pasties at Stonehenge. It is believed they were sacrificed there during the Winter Solstice ceremonies. Apparently it may still be going on secretly in remote parts of Brittany. I hope this isn’t OT.

Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2022 23:40 utc | 155

For context see, e.g. Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies.
Posted by: Hermit | Aug 28 2022 19:36 utc | 115
That excerpt is interesting.
The context for the speech, in part, is the Recession of 1937–38. What else was goining on? What other economic, financial, and political “challenges” did FDR’s administration face in Term 2?

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 23:42 utc | 156

“I know there was a “soccer war” between Honduras and El Salvador.”
Yep, I drove through he war zone in a VW Bug.
It was interesting—-

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Aug 28 2022 23:46 utc | 157

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 28 2022 22:41 utc | 151
The further the Russians get from their supply lines the more vulnerable they are to American air and naval power. Explains why they go slow in Ukraine. Enter, conquer, consolidate, move to the next objective.

Somebody pointed out recently that Ukraine knows everything NATO knows, within minutes. And NATO knows a lot. Ukraine is being ogled by spy satellites, perved on by state-of-the-art ELINT aircraft, its hair sniffed by Western radar 24 hours a day.
While Ukraine still maintains a functional military, this means Russia is right not to hurry something that’s worked well (from a military pov) for 6 months. The economic meltdown of Western Europe and, ultimately, the United States is just gravy. Russia is Mick Jagger confidently singing tiiiiiime is on his side.
The economic and political ramifications of the coming winter and the hungry years that follow are going to be huge, and unpredictable to a degree that makes Covid Madness look like a jolly holiday. Russia is right to want to string this out, maintaining the (now very slender) carrot of gas supplies to the EU to encourage the squareheads to find their senses and take off the star-spangled gimp mask.
But, as there’s always a but, the danger of going long in the SMO is that, on a long enough timeline, literally anything can happen. A frightened and angry Washington DC may yet decide to go all-in on Ukraine, everybody’s favourite neo nazis may yet finally crack the reactor shielding and cause Chernobyl 2.0, SBU terrorists in Moscow may get really lucky – and those are just some of the exciting and very bad turns this war could take before Christmas.
Also, while the Russians let go of their massive empire in 1991 without so much as a split lip dealt in an attempt to hold it together, there’s no reason to believe the people steering the American empire will prove to be so humane. These are people, after all, who sincerely believe the world is disgustingly overpopulated by you: Homo Proletarianus
So it’d be better for this to be done quickly.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 28 2022 23:46 utc | 158

@ Metron | Aug 28 2022 23:26 utc | 154
On 26 August the price of an hourly megawatt of electricity rose dramatically:. . .Italy – 86%, from €617.85 to €721.49 . .?
What’s this, new math?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2022 23:48 utc | 159

sln2002 157
There was the attempted coup by American business interests. Or was that in the first term?

Posted by: Smedley | Aug 28 2022 23:49 utc | 160

@ Metron | Aug 28 2022 23:26 utc | 154
@ Don Bacon | Aug 28 2022 23:48 utc | 160
Meet the new math, same as the old math.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 28 2022 23:52 utc | 161

“…to be more tolerant and have more solidarity.”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Aug 28 2022 19:45 utc | 117
I am confused, are those supposed to be “bad things”? If so, why? Or maybe I just misunderstood your whole point.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 28 2022 23:53 utc | 162

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 28 2022 22:33 utc | 148
Q. “Who is killing off the “pasty”? Could you clarify please?”
A. They are!
Q. “And who are “they” at #7?”
A. Hopefully #7 knows, but for sure it was Them!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 28 2022 23:55 utc | 163

How important is the US decision to name its military mission in Ukraine?
Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 28 2022 13:12 utc | 1
Ukraine is merely becoming another subsidiary of the US military.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 28 2022 23:59 utc | 164

George Orwell had a name for that. He called it doublethink
Posted by: ? | Aug 28 2022 20:19 utc | 121
Freud had one, too. Neurosis.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 23:59 utc | 165

PS I just noticed ‘pasty.’
Patsy!
(Like Lee Harvey Oswald etc.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2022 0:05 utc | 166

@ZX, 159
Russia has 5000 nuclear warheads and can largely do what it wants. Including blinding the sputniks, which the Chinese have already demonstrated can be done in the right circumstances without producing much backlash. It should be obvious by now that Russia is not even breaking a sweat with this “special military operation” aka invasion. Things won’t get interesting until it moves on Volhynia, which is at least a year off.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 0:08 utc | 167

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 0:08 utc | 168
Russia has 5000 nuclear warheads and can largely do what it wants.

Yes, this is probably what Russia believes, because Russia seems to be rational.
Where is the evidence that the leadership of the United States is rational? I don’t even mean poor, senile, Mr Biden. I mean the entire leadership caste. It wasn’t rational of them to encourage their subjects to burn down their own cities either. Iraq wasn’t rational, and neither were Afghanistan, Libya, Kosovo, etc. Nothing these people say or do indicates a strong concern about making good decisions for the benefit of future generations. Or even the existence of future generations.
And shit, as they say in the United States, happens.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 29 2022 0:19 utc | 168

ZX | Aug 28 2022 22:35 utc | 149
Count the Dutch out. If their Commandoes (three) could be shot in a US inner city yesterday, who knows how many them can fight serious armies?
Self-aggrandization talk is cheap.

Posted by: Kitaysupporter | Aug 29 2022 0:21 utc | 169

Current military operations are:
Inherent Resolve — Iraq / Syria
Atlantic Resolve — Europe
Damayan — Philippines
Anatolian Protector — Turkey
from Insider
The turning point for the Pentagon on the subject of operational names came when Winston Churchill petitioned a better way of naming them. He convinced Allied high command that they should change the name of Operation Soapsuds, the bombing raid of Romanian oil fields, to Operation Tidal Wave.
It has become an American tradition to pick awe-inspiring names for operations of future wars. Operation Rolling Thunder, Operation Desert Storm, Operation Enduring Freedom — Americans are the best at it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2022 0:22 utc | 170

@ZX
What you describe is “rope-a-dope”

Posted by: Platero | Aug 29 2022 0:26 utc | 171

Posted by: bevin | Aug 28 2022 17:52 utc | 88
Agreed. Mussolini is a decent source but it’s not like he was the only fascist (and he was originally a socialist). German fascism is wound too tightly around ethno-nationalism to extract much useful in understanding fascism. This thread has been the equivalent of Eco’s essay on fascism: true but relatively useless in actually describing the ideology. That’s why I always return to Dimitrov, as a communist he was pretty sharply in tune with the rise of fascism. Fascism is the political expression of finance capitalism. Now why Dimitrov specified the type of capitalism is intriguing, as if he saw industrial capitalism as less threatening in terms of fascism (though we certainly have seen industrial capitalists get on board with fascism). Is it because in industry the worker retains some power? I don’t know but as I watch the US at home and abroad, Dimitrov rings in my ears a lot.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 29 2022 0:30 utc | 172

Duncan Idaho @ 158
Actually The Soccer War was about land and the United Fruit Company. Honduras leased land to Salvadorians which they made good use of by clearing and planting. The United Fruit Company wanted the land so the Hondurans forcibly evicted the Salvadorian thru methods like murder and torture.
The Salvadorians were very unhappy and that played out. The Hondurans did not have a chance against the Salvadorian military. El Salvador’s honor was restored and the United Fruit Company ended up with the land.
The whole thing was covered up over the competition of a soccer game. It was the shield. It was real but a shield of what really happened.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 29 2022 0:42 utc | 173

from “To Hell with the Admirals” By Hans Schmidt —

In a speech on “how to prevent war” delivered to the Philadelphia Contemporary Club in January 1931, [Smedley] Butler related an anecdote about Italian Prime Minister Benito Mussolini while making the point that “mad-dog nations” could not be trusted to honor disarmament agreements. Butler recounted a story told him by an unnamed friend who had been taken by Mussolini for a high-speed automobile ride through the Italian countryside, in the course of which the dictator ran down a child and did not bother even to slow down: “My friend screamed as the child’s body was crushed under the wheels of the machine. Mussolini put a hand on my friend’s knee. ‘It was only one life,’ he told my friend. ‘What is one life in the affairs of a State.'” ‘~
The Italian government protested, Rome newspapers denounced the speech as “insolent and ridiculous,” and Mussolini issued a categorical denial: “I have never taken an American on a motor-car trip around Italy, neither have I run over a child, man or woman.” Secretary of State Stimson issued a formal apology to Mussolini for “discourteous and unwarranted utterances by a commissioned officer of this government on active duty.” Smedley was placed under arrest and ordered court-martialed by President Hoover. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2022 0:44 utc | 174

https://t.me/therussianmarket
reporting that Daria Dugina’s suspected assassin was found dead with 17 stab wounds.
The original reporter is an Austrian newspaper Express

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 0:49 utc | 175

@ZX,169
If you view it through a different paradigm it IS rational.
The American elites whose families invested in anti-Russia are getting their money back (via their treasury). Very rational.
America has 5000 nuclear warheads. It can do what it wants. It doesn’t want to provke Russia to use theirs, so it won’t. Very rational.
And if it accidentially does it’ll try to contain the damage to Europe, preferrably central Europe the further east the better. But everything is negotiable insofar as the American and Russian homelands are not struck. Very rational.
If you want to know the future, look at the past. Another Cold War, except this time the EU is the backward one. Mauripol is the gateway to the new Europe. And Russia is the new gatekeeper…

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 0:54 utc | 176

sorry, wrong telegram channel for that Dugina suspected murderer murdered.
it should be t.me/ChroniclesOfTheConflict and the Austrian newspaper is Exxpress but I don’t see the story on their web site.

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 0:55 utc | 177

it looks like it’s a fake story, but why would the Austrian newspaper do that?
https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1563876661245796352

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 0:59 utc | 178

@Manage without me 181
Yes, Austria has no history of creating extremists or anything…

Posted by: A.H. | Aug 29 2022 1:04 utc | 179

Several analyses of the DNA of Ashgenazi Jews have been made, as well as analyses of the DNA of the Palestinians.
The Jews were found to have 40% of their DNA from Mongolians, the rest from Slavs.
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 28 2022 20:42 utc | 125

Has analysis of the DNA of Sephardic Jews been done?

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 29 2022 1:07 utc | 180

@David Levin, 183
100% coral

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:11 utc | 181

@David Levin,
As I recall, the issue about the DNA of Ashkenazi Jews had to do with the classification of certain genes as being Mediterranean. So, the theory of the Khazars was dropped. But some people think that the Mediterranean DNA that geneticists describe have origins as far as the area of Armenia, so the decision to drop the theory may still be rescinded by many people.

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 1:17 utc | 182

The ROC and Ukraine
The Resistance Operating Concept (ROC) originated as an initial effort under the guidance of Major. General Michael Repass, Commander, USMC.
The idea is to encourage certain states to use the civilian population to fight alongside their normal army. Resistance would be total according to the bright brains that birthed the concept. From armed sabotage to rifle and grenade launchers use, every national of the attacked country becomes a defender.
It sounds beautiful but it places the civilian population at risk of systematic elimination by the attackers.
This ROC concept is being promoted by the US in Ukraine and Zelensky is actively pursuing the concept, with men of any age or physical conditions as well as females being incorporated into the cannon fodder fed to the Russia grinder.
Now, when it comes to Ukraine, the eastern population of Ukraine is on the elimination list. As they are Russian speakers and slavs, they must be eliminated.
Many indicators point to a willful desire to bleed the eastern Ukraine of its population.
Notions such as the NEW ISRAEL have been circulated which would help us understand why the powers that are are totally mobilized to reach the
elimination of as many Ukrainians as possible.
That Zelensky is the circumcised and annointed Moses of this new peregrination should not surprise us. From all and every angle under their control, the Zionists are carving up a new land, one of riches, vastness, arable land amid powerful rivers. From their new home, they will reign
over a subjugated Europe and an exhausted Russian Federation.
At least, this is their view.
Only a criminal as rotten as Zelensky can bestow this fate unto his fellow compatriots, untermenschen and Goys to his eyes.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 29 2022 1:17 utc | 183

@ oldhippie | Aug 28 2022 20:20 utc | 122
thanks for that link.. informative… here it is again for anyone interested..
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/6450
Israeli Rabbi Michael Finkel drops some bombs on Ukrainian TV. I guess he won’t be invited back.

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2022 1:18 utc | 184

The bankers are through trusting the interventionists, which means negotiation will be the only way forward. Conflict will not settle things no matter what the so-called “west” throws at Putin’s Russia. They see that now, they understand it much better. Keeping the spigot open is no longer an option. Contraction must happen. Hard-headed, empty-headed, blinker-less, rudder-less, clue-less. WTF and who really cares? Euro countries could very well start to see things unravel right before our eyes.
And we still haven’t made it out of this summer. Bummer!

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 29 2022 1:22 utc | 185

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 0:59 utc | 181
…, but why would the Austrian newspaper do that?

The first freedom of the press is the freedom not to be a business. – Man with impressive beard

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 186

Posted by: Manage without me | Aug 29 2022 0:59 utc | 181
…, but why would the Austrian newspaper do that?

The first freedom of the press is the freedom not to be a business. – Man with impressive beard

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 187

ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2022 EUROPE
By John Cleese (British writer, actor and tall person):
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Ukraine and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”
The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbor” and “Lose.”
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
— John Cleese – British writer, actor and tall person
A final thought -” Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.”
Repost

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 188

oldhippie | Aug 28 2022 20:20 utc | 122
“……>I can recall being puzzled by all the Jewish people taking Ukrainian language classes and all those who take vacations to Ukraine. “
There is a very non mainstream explanation for that:
Khazaria.
Crimea and the region now shaded in maps as the piece “returned to Russia” or “occupied Ukraine” is the soil claimed by some jews as their homeland.
Israel has served its purpose. But it’s an arid shithole jammed between arabs.
Crimea, southern Ukraine, is *much* nicer… (and richer).
The long term plan of the conflict in the Donbas was to apply the palestine treatment… clear the area of current residents and replace with khazarian jews.
There’s plenty of info “on the internet” about this. I’m not linking.
You won’t find it in mainstream |jewish| controlled media.
Up to you to explore that rabbit hole.
§§^ explains the Russia|Putin hate. He fucked with their plans^§§

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 29 2022 1:26 utc | 189

Friends are talking about Russia denying radiation risk. This story looks full of holes to me but I’ve got no other info and it seems like nothing here recently.
Russia”>https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-doesnt-acknowledge-radiological-risk-154348857.html>Russia Denies Radiological Risk

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Aug 29 2022 1:27 utc | 190

thecelticwithinme @ 188
The bankers are through trusting the interventionists…
Very shrewd. Follow the money.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:31 utc | 191

@ CarlD | Aug 29 2022 1:17 utc | 186
The Resistance Operating Concept (ROC) originated as an initial effort under. . .
Of course the Pentagon would like us to believe that citizens’ resistance to foreign invasion and occupation is a brand new concept birthed by the Pentagon Puzzle Palace.
Actually it’s an old concept which has been instrumental in US military losses in many places like Iraq and Afghanistan, for two recent examples.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2022 1:33 utc | 192

Roger | Aug 28 2022 19:47 utc | 118
You really need to listen more carefully.
Military Summary reported (2) options. The west and Russian sources.
There is to be a referendum on *September 11* and if the republics vote to join the RF… these regions will be Russian territory, and thus Russian troops can be placed on this territory. THEN he offered two options for movement of troops to the frontlines.
Given the large number of barflies who use MS as a source, you do yourself no favors in misreporting and garbling Dima’s info here.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 29 2022 1:43 utc | 193

@ Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 191
Thanks for that, it is time for a good belly-laugh.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2022 1:44 utc | 194

Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 28 2022 20:49 utc | 127
^ Demonstrates^ why we demand primary sources here.
You’ve taken the garbled report from Roger.
Please spend the 10-12mins yourself to listen to WHAT DIMA ACTUALLY SAID,
Which is *not* what Roger said he said.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 29 2022 2:00 utc | 195

He’s doing our work for us, in a certain respect,” said the speaker of the House.
Ukraine Shows The Way

People casually toss around the word “fascist” a lot, forgetting that it has an actual definition. Some people believe that the essence of a “fascist” state is the presence of a strong autocratic ruler, like Mussolini or Hitler….

FDR (“class traitor”), Putin (“killer” emporer), Xi (immortal “communist”), blah blah blah “strong man” or dictator…unlike Joe Biden in whom the Democratic Party caucus of the 117th Congress are eager to cram “democratic processes”.
So by “some people”, I surmise, yalensis alooods to the most ignorant, litigious nation on planet, US Americans, waving don’t tread on e pluribus and wutnot flags. On one hand, an imaginary body in opposition to TOTALITARIAN features of so-called cooperative federalism that christ FDR’s lengthy tenure perfected; on the other, dimly suspicious of ICONIC “brown-shirt” Italia irridenta who “democratically” deposed the figurehead of state, Victor Emmanuel III.
Indeed, for yalensis “The Real Definition Of Fascism”, according to an entertainer Jimmy Dore, is the antithesis of fascism: “Mass privatization”.

. Unlike Mussolini and the spirit of the, ahem, living Constitution of Ukraine

Zelensky in his green tee-shirt is busy privatizing Ukrainian lands, public property, and even trade union assets [sic; s/b real estate] such as spas and resort homes for the workers. And it gets worse: One of the proposed “shock and awe” reforms in store for the Ukrainian working class is this thing called Zero-hour contracts. It’s the thing that capitalists have always pined for, it’s their Holy Grail.

This portion is especially hilarious, because (1) collective bargaining in the USA has been mostly dead since the Taft-Hartley fatwa; (2) inexplicably, Dore hasn’t heard of US “flex time” or “gig” or “at will” and “right to work” employment conditions; and (3) the BREXIT informant evidently assumes that zero-hour conditions of employment in the UK are local. The fact is, zero-hour and “posted worker” contracts are SOP across the EU27, and the EP has never been in pressed standardize labor rights, much less minimum wage “directive”. Of course, Uncle Volody’s executive mission is preparing homeland gangsters fo “ascension” to the EU according the the advice and consent of the UA’s principal lender, the IMF. Shafting labor and state-owned enterprise is, like, Step 3 and Step 4 to mastering a free-trade republic. Step 1 is buying multiple passports. Step 2 is distributing army-issue uniform, braid, and bootay.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 29 2022 2:15 utc | 196

james | Aug 29 2022 1:18 utc | 187
Thanks for posting that.
Rabbi says his family was killed by Banderites.
Host: (Pavlovian response): “That’s Russian propaggagagag…..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 29 2022 2:44 utc | 197

— John Cleese – British writer, actor and tall person
A final thought -” Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.”
Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 191
Hilarious and yet so true 🙂 Thank you John Cleese and thanks Maxx for posting.

Posted by: K | Aug 29 2022 2:52 utc | 198

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 29 2022 1:17 utc | 186
Resistance in Ukraine against the USSR/Russians envisioned in 1957 by the CIA. Here’s a link I have posted here two times before…still relevant:
Resistance Factors and Special Forces Areas CIA 1957
Finally, they are getting to implement the plan.
Posted by: Maxx | Aug 29 2022 1:23 utc | 191
Thanks for posting this…totally hilarious. Wonder if Cleese would speak Russian if A FISH CALLED WANDA was made today.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 29 2022 3:32 utc | 199

Look for the pre-Kievan Rus Khazar Tamga. Revealing..

Posted by: Lozion | Aug 29 2022 3:44 utc | 200