I’m not sure it’s that significant really. It certainly isn’t going to change the outcome of the conflict. It smacks to me of a certain degree of desperation. Having said that, it looks as though the mid-terms coming up in November will have the bigger influence. If, as is expected, the Democrats suffer heavy defeats there will inevitably be a pause for serious thought and progress of USA involvement. That said, the Republicans are notorious warmongers with the likes of Lindsay Graham and Mich McConnell.
It is anathema and morally reprehensible that the collective West do not give a damn about the severe and extreme cost of Ukranian lives their support and prolongation of the SMO/War is causing. It is shocking, really shocking that, just because they are not European Citizens or USA or British Citizens being killed it’s o.k. I think the Ukranians are too afraid of the Dictatorship, of the SBU of the Nazis/Fascists in Government to rise up and rebel. I hope they can muster the courage and the organisation to do so.
The evil that the collective West has unmasked itself to be cannot be allowed to exist in the World for any longer than necessary. It doesn’t matter whether you name an operation or not, it’s of no consequences whilst the lives of Ukranian citizens who do not want to fight but are being drafted to the front line with no training and dying in the meat grinder is the real atrocity of this collective West proxy war against Russia. Shame on them all. Good will triumph that being China, Russia, Iran, the African Continent, Latin America, Asia and other countries who do not support the collective West.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 28 2022 13:44 utc | 3

Chaka Khan;#2: I had that question for a long time untill I read an article on the website unz.com. Going in depth about such way of thinking. I can recommend reading this article.
https://www.unz.com/article/aleksandr-dugin-on-the-alien-substantially-jewish-elite-in-the-u-s-and-its-war-against-traditional-american-individualism/
There are more articles on that website explaining behaviour.

Posted by: DutchZ | Aug 28 2022 14:02 utc | 5

Found on Slavyangrad…
Ukrainian terrorist Natalya Vovk found dead in Austria with 17 stab wounds, – Austrian publication Express.
They are removing witnesses. No loose ends

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:18 utc | 7

De: Don Bacon @6 … exactly … plus the hatred of conflict is guaranteed for a next generation … Eastern Europe living in the past 50-100-150 years ago, sometimes centuries. The end of the European Union is a fact. No courage in leadership …

Robert Schuman spoke out about the eventual defeat of Nazi-controlled Germany and Europe’s need for post-war Franco-German reconciliation.
Just a few short years later, as Prime Minister of France, he proposed a framework for the European Community Single Market, a trading partnership whose aim was “to make war not only unthinkable, but materially impossible.”

Joe Biden the master of America’s foreign policy is an advocate of the devil and has a track record of war crimes. The enforcement of more and sophisticated arms pouring into Europe is an advocacy of war, promotion of the Military Industrial Complex on a unprecedented scale. Forever war, chaos and division.
Today viewed Ike’s last address to the nation warning of the greatest danger to the US … the weapon lobby of the Military Industrial Complex … impressive.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 28 2022 14:22 utc | 9

Ritter
IntereSting to have dozens of posts in previous thread just to comment a relatively good commentor.
It mainly shows for me the barflies’ lack of stuff to comment, as the Russian offensive seems almost stopped.
I ´ m still surprised by the limited tempo since Lusichank’s conquest, and the fact that each success remains limited, without giving opportunity to a large scope move; we may not fully realize the impact of the Ukrainian fortifications, and / or the Russian are really short of solutions in the Dombard.
Hence perhaps the move in the South whose scope remains to be confirmed

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 28 2022 14:25 utc | 11

Dazu hier
.
https://exxpress.at/17-messerstiche-attentaeterin-im-mordfall-darya-dugina-angeblich-tot/
.
Und hier Meldungen
.
https://statefirstnews.com/2022/08/28/update-today-breaking-the-alleged-organizer-of-the-murder-of-daria-dugina-43-year-old-ukrainian-natalya-vovk-is-dead-multiple-stab-wounds-17times-writes-the-austrian-edition-of-exxpress-citi/

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 28 2022 14:29 utc | 13

Interesting that in modern times, with all our “sophistication” and technology, we struggle to define what is happening. I think that is partly because we try too hard to interperate evidence in a way that fits our desired outcome.
I think that what we actually see is that Russia has made substantial progress though somewhat less than might have been hoped by those who support Russias interests. This is likely because Russia is proceeding cautiously so as to avoid the outcome which the US had planned – bloody battle, enormous costs, difficulty to hold gains…
It seems to me that Russia can feel proud of what they have accomplished – they are in fact liberating a population who are in fact appreciative and supportive of thier efforts. This would be unlike Vietnam and unlike Iraq which were not prepared for “liberation” nor did US have standing for such.
Of much greater importance to geopolitical outcome is economic repurcussions. US in bad shape, hurting self (using war spending to stimulate economy by spending money it doesnt have while already deeply insolvent, disorganized and conflicted). Russia bad lagging in technology and economy somewhat stagnant.
I think Russia needs to focus less on grand geopolical schemes and do more with domestic economy – it is an empire unto itself. If they make something appealing, the others will follow.

Posted by: jared | Aug 28 2022 14:31 utc | 15

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 28 2022 13:44 utc | 3;
The Evil that the collective West has unmasked itself to be… I agree with your comment.
Looking at the behaviour of the western elite I.M.O one could call it: “Fascism-light.
Many aspects reflect in the description of Fascsim by Wiki. Probably it will be to their surprise
once recognized.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural socialhierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
However aspects of this behaviour can be seen in other societies. Generally I think this is part of human survival behaviour. An evolutionary threat. If so, it will not easely disappear in our societies.

Posted by: DutchZ | Aug 28 2022 14:33 utc | 17

@circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:18 utc | 7
The photos used by the newspaper are from an event from 2020. The story seems fake, at least the photos surely are

Posted by: rk | Aug 28 2022 14:33 utc | 19

Natalya Vovk found dead in Austria … a 2nd source for confirmation?
https://www.jamiiforums.com/threads/special-thread-yanayojiri-mgogoro-wa-ukraine-na-urusi-nini-chanzo-na-hatma-ya-mzozo.1956724/page-3247

Posted by: Oui | Aug 28 2022 14:41 utc | 21

@Chaka Khaga
You’re not alone. Everyone I’ve worked with to try to deprogram, I preface my comments and my effort to direct their attention to sites like MOA. Actually I consider MOA too advanced for most if not all propagandized. But I preface my remarks by saying that for example with Ukraine “it doesn’t matter what you or I think of this historical moment, however it turns out now, it’s going to turn out regardless of how we feel or think about it at this point.” I do regret feeling that it’s out of our control. . .

Posted by: Geoff | Aug 28 2022 14:47 utc | 23

Oui @ 21
That is a copy from Slavyangrad. Slavyangrad pointed to an Austrian news story

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:52 utc | 25

Oui @ 21
The west could have easily had that story floated for misdirection but the Russians are not that stupid. They have sources as well and I am sure they are on the trail.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:54 utc | 27

It seems to me that facsism is imposed/enforced ideology.
Has many uses and forms and degrees. See also Patriotism / Nationalism.

Posted by: jared | Aug 28 2022 14:56 utc | 29

@circumspect … I was waiting for a 2nd source … you may be correct.
Re: Natalya Vovk
Western intelligence and disinformation … to make someone disappear and lose all traces, start a conspiracy of her death … endless debate for years to come.
Link to publication … 8 hours old.
https://exxpress.at/17-messerstiche-attentaeterin-im-mordfall-darya-dugina-angeblich-tot/

Posted by: Oui | Aug 28 2022 14:59 utc | 31

Oui @ 21
One poster said that paper is like the National Enquirer in the US. An exceeding hyper rag and very easy to get an article in with some dollars spread around. I am not familiar with the Austrian press.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 15:04 utc | 33

mon3 | Aug 28 2022 14:29 utc | 13
Beware the link posted by ^
If you clicked, Check for nasties on your computer…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 28 2022 15:10 utc | 35

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 28 2022 15:10 utc | 35
.
Actually I do not care !
I’m trying to get information.
BUT I have been living communism for 36 years according to the motto:
Believe half, doubt the rest.
No matter what information comes, none is 100% the truth!
Although state TV = media is never to be believed!
And because we in East Germany at least older years know that the uprising is particularly strong here, demonstrations in the East are the daily picture!
Nobody trusts the government anymore.
The “aid packages” only serve one purpose: the government is afraid of the mob!
Fear is the driving force behind every speech, behind every report Lateral thinkers = right-wing extremists!

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 28 2022 15:19 utc | 37

Fascism is the political expression of finance capitalism.
Re the slow pace of Russian operations. Maneuver warfare is costly. Look at the casualties on both sides of WWII battles between the red army and the Wehrmacht. The attacking side always took significant losses to achieve its goals. In the age of drones and satellites, maneuver warfare is even more costly. Ukraine might have been able to bait Russia into it before but didn’t. So why would Russia stop doing what it’s doing when the Ukrainians just keep pouring men into hopeless situations to be shelled by Russia?
One side of this conflict is treating manpower like a valuable asset and the other is not. Why would Russia change what it’s doing? It doesn’t matter what the initial plan was anymore. The current situation is working. It’s terrible and gruesome but you play the game with an opponent and this is, apparently, how the opponent wants to play the game even though it benefits Russia in everything except the western press.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 28 2022 15:30 utc | 39

The latest war toy going in…
Ukrainian Army to Receive “Black Hornet” Military Micro-Drones

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 15:39 utc | 41

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/28/50000-ukrainian-refugees-in-uk-facing-homelessness-disaster-next-year-homes-for-ukraine
A “shocking” 50,000 Ukrainian refugees in the UK could be made homeless next year, the government has been warned, but ministers are refusing to offer a fresh package of support to offset the impending crisis.
As the cost of living crisis bites and with no end in sight to the war with Russia, fears are mounting that the government’s Homes for Ukraine scheme will unravel next month when refugees’ initial six-month placements with hosts end without alternative accommodation in place.
Although Boris Johnson has framed the UK’s response to Russia’s invasion as a principled triumph, a number of organisations warn that a key response of his government to the conflict’s refugee crisis could prompt a “disastrous rise in homelessness”.
…> A total of 83,900 refugees have arrived under the Homes for Ukraine scheme since it began in March. Refugees were matched with sponsors who agreed to house them for six months and were paid £350 a month.
Not all matches have been successful. Government data reveals that since the war began in February, 1,335 Ukrainian households – including 945 families with children – have registered as homeless.
That figure is set to soar from next month. Analysis by children’s charity Barnardo’s, Labour and the Liberal Democrats say that, based on feedback from refugee sponsors, between 15,000 and 21,000 Ukrainians could be homeless by the winter, rising to more than 50,000 by the middle of next year.
One group, Refugees at Home, said the figure could be even higher because of a combination of pressures, including energy bills, soaring inflation and climbing interest rates.
…> Stanislav Beneš of charity Opora, which has helped about 8,000 Ukrainians into the UK, said: “The initial wave of sponsors included people who did not quite understand the implications and consequences of this sort of responsibility.”
… | We thought we would be back in Ukraine in six months because the war would be over’
It’s a very uncertain situation because September and October is actually when these six-month sponsorships come to an end. But honestly, I can speak for myself and for many Ukrainians, when we made the decision to come here, we were planning to go back to Ukraine within the six months because we all believed the war would be over.
“But it’s not, and a lot of families find themselves really confused right now because it didn’t go the way we planned.”
And
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/28/putin-is-trapped-and-desperate-will-his-friends-in-the-west-rescue-him-russia-ukraine
Buried in the diatribe is a roll call of the “surprising” support for “Putin” in Europe.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 28 2022 15:42 utc | 43

https://exxpress.at/17-messerstiche-attentaeterin-im-mordfall-darya-dugina-angeblich-tot/
Pepe Escobar doesn’t provide original link, but shared rather speculative ‘news’ of possible murder of Natalia Vovk in Austria on his Telegram channel.
Other equally not-so-reputable outlets seem to be reporting Austrian Ministry of Internal Affairs denials… might get a few barflies excited on a lazy Sunday so figured i may as well see where this goes…

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 28 2022 15:51 utc | 45

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 28 2022 15:51 utc | 45
Fake news. Blurred pictures of the body is from 2020 murder case.

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 28 2022 15:55 utc | 47

Natalya Vovk: it’s a fake. There’s nothing there – Der Standard, ORF (both Austria), Kyiv Post etc.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 28 2022 15:59 utc | 49

Chaka Kagan @ 24, dermottmoconnor @ 34
From the horse’s mouth:
Mussolini on Fascism

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 28 2022 16:04 utc | 51

Chaka Kagan @2
this narrative is one of the most depressing things about this war. tptb has such strong control and such a wide reach to spew their lies.and they are the best propagandists ever seen, knowing how to slip things in, to repeat, to have a certain look or voice inflection. and now they are changing the history books, clearing the town squares of any real history.
i knew that generations to come will believe their lies without question. it is heartbreaking to hear of this old man. like israel, i suppose–the abused become the abusers.
i don’t know anyone i can talk to irl about this. i’m honestly shocked at the unwillingness to even look at the truth, or maybe to peek and immediately say no.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Aug 28 2022 16:09 utc | 53

With the Ukraine army in tatters, Kyiv is now turning its attention to training and arming civilians. . . So Russia is taking its time, killing soldiers but not advancing into cities until they have been partly destroyed and the citizens have departed. . .more info here, “How Ukraine is using resistance warfare developed by the US to fight back against Russia”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2022 16:19 utc | 55

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 28 2022 16:04 utc | 51
From the Horse’s Mouth…
A Reflection on the current U.S. Empire – Benito Mussolini On Myth:
“We have created our myth. The myth is a faith, it is passion. It is not necessary that it shall be a reality. It is a reality by the fact that it is a good, a hope, a faith, that it is courage. Our myth is the Nation, our myth is the greatness of the Nation! And to this myth, to this grandeur, that we wish to translate into a complete reality, we subordinate all the rest.”
[Source: From Herman Finer, Mussolini’s Italy (1935), p. 218; quoted in Franklin Le Van Baumer, ed., Main Currents of Western Thought (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1978), p.748.]

Posted by: GreyRaven | Aug 28 2022 16:24 utc | 57

@ Posted by: Lucci | Aug 28 2022 15:55 utc | 47
I figured it was 50/50 at best, but after seeing Pepe Escobar post it, i thought no harm in echoing it here, and since noticed many others did too before me.
That being said, i am an often disliked, nobody barfly here on MoA as it is, so not much to lose for me, though one wonders why a veteran journalist like Escobar would want to further damage his credibility by engaging in the promotion of such speculative bits of, so far anyway, fake news..

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 28 2022 16:26 utc | 59

Chaka Khagan @ 2

These intelligent and educated men have a worldview that is absurd and upside down

It’s hard and disheartening to deal with as strife and relentless decline are forcing people to choose btwn black and white, that’s a defining characteristic of war, no more comfortable grey area to amble in. The whole Ukraine thing has been overwhelming, propaganda works well and when the hammer comes down is revealed in all its undignified power.
For most people the Overton Window is reduced to a porthole and at that point you can move that Window as fast as looking out a moving train and they won’t even notice, unless their bills skyrocket or purchasing power plummets and they are knocked out of their torpor. Then it’s confusion and inchoate action. Exactly where the propagandists want them – disoriented, fearful, hopeless, open to quick, simple answers and demagoguery. Tried and true, repeat through the centuries. To be fair most people just don’t have the time for study and inquiry but that’s only a part of it. There’s a formative pre-propaganda factor of beating the curiosity out of people at a very young age. They have institutions to do so called schools, the bright ones are culled eventually given the NYT, BBC, and NPR and made to run The Machine, the rest used as worker bees and canon fodder. A few escape.
Those the propaganda doesn’t work on don’t get it as it seems so obvious and banal, I think some are just born curious and can’t stop forcing the porthole wider and wider, even when they get a good view they still want a better one trying to get to 360 degrees. Mental explores just to see what’s out there, see how it all works, the hunter-gather instinct to see what’s over the next mountain. Barflies know all this, enough rambling, sorry…

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 28 2022 16:32 utc | 61

from Reuters Aug 27
Moscow and Kyiv traded fresh accusations on Saturday of shelling around the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine, which has been a focus of international concern that fighting in the area could trigger a disaster. . . .Ukraine’s state nuclear company Energoatom energy agency said Russian troops again shelled the grounds of the plant complex in the last 24 hours.
But the Ukraine news sourse Ukrinform carries this (and nothing on “plant complex grounds”.)

In Zaporizhzhia, 40 private houses and 9 apartment blocks were damaged as a result of the night enemy strike.

and further by Reuters:

Moscow’s defence ministry accused Ukrainian forces of shelling the plant complex three times in the last 24 hours.
Reuters could not verify the battlefield report. [why not]
“A total of 17 shells were fired, four of which hit the roof of Special Building No. 1, where 168 assemblies of U.S. WestingHouse nuclear fuel are stored,” the Russian defence ministry said in a statement. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 28 2022 16:36 utc | 63

History Buff @ #36
Sorry ol Buff, but I totally disagree with the academicist stance on the Nordic peoples being “Germanics”. That particular meme was established during the 19th Century when German scholarship was world-class. However, there was a small particle embedded in the amber.
It is more probable that the Germanics may be considered to be quasi-Nordics, except for those from the Northern and Eastern sections of that land who could be considered as primarily Nordic with a Slavic infusion coming from the Old Prussians, the Borusssians, the Kashubians and the Wends, many of whom became Germanized. An easy teller would be names such as Nienow and Turnow, along with the more obvious ones such as Wenschau and even Wisniewski.
As for the Rheinlanders and Bavarians (to say nothing of the Austrians) they became Romanized culturally and to some degree genetically by Roman occupational troops during the Imperial era.
Meanwhile, the more energetic and adventurous among the Nordic tribal nations kept on going northwards and northwestwards into Scania, Gothia, Sverige, leaving the Angles, the Jutes and the Dans to enjoy the good agricultural lands to be found amongst the islands and the Peninsula…and to contend with the “Tysks”. The very most adventurous and hardy took the northern way, ultimately into close contact with the Sami people in the far north.
True, I do have my own ethnic prejudices and proclivities; but the respect given a hundred years ago to German scholarship tended to carry over into the domain of the materialistic “go with the herd” propensities of a now massively corrupted academia with its hyper specialization and its denigration of those who do not sport extra, capitalized letters after their surnames, granting them unduly recognized titles of nobility. As a fellow history buff, you may not be of that ilk, but are more probably an independent researcher. But please do be aware of unexamined preconclusions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 28 2022 16:37 utc | 65

Melaleuca | Aug 28 2022 15:42 utc | 43
Thanks for this – The Guardian is a wonderful fantasy land of imminent victory, but as you point out, this article manages to run in opposite directions : the Putin is defeated, and the Putin may be winning but mainly because of EU traitors (carefully listed we know who you are) and cheating with gas
The author seems indifferent to such incoherence, merely happy to have more enemies to name : this sounds like from inside the bunker

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 28 2022 16:55 utc | 67

@ Chaka Khagan 2 great nom de plume by the way.
Rule No.1
Never underestimate the stupidity of the great western unwashed.

Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 28 2022 17:00 utc | 69

@ Steven Starr | Aug 28 2022 16:56 utc | 67
thanks steven… i am not sure why, but some of the links i am providing don’t seem to work… here is the key takeaway line from it all as i see it.. please feel free to answer the question… i know that my answer is the usa needs perpetual war or preparation for war which is what we have now…
“In the US he said we won’t make ‘consumer products’ anymore because it was cheaper to send those jobs overseas. Our role in the US, Barnett said, would be ‘security export’. Thus it should be no surprise that the #1 industrial export product of the US today is weapons. When weapons are your #1 industrial export product, what is your ‘global marketing strategy’ for that product line?”

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2022 17:03 utc | 71

@ erik | Aug 28 2022 17:03 utc | 69
you are ”’supposed to believe it”’ regardless… it works with @ Chaka Khagan | Aug 28 2022 13:34 utc | 2 friend ”a successful surgeon, Zev, aged 77”.. why not you, lol? just turn your brain off for a few minutes, or the rest of your life!!

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2022 17:05 utc | 73

@Geoff “You’re not alone. Everyone I’ve worked with to try to deprogram”
The most important technique for deprogramming…or changing a mind in general…is to ask questions. Have a conversation. If all you do is lecture and tell a person how wrong they are, they will harden their position. You have to be willing to listen to their position. Get them to explain how they came to their conclusions. This means you have to listen.
The more they have to explain and justify their positions…the more they will actually dismantle their own conclusions and beliefs.
It’s a very effective interrogation technique. Cops and lawyers use it all the time. The trick is to be subtle, not antagonistic. It can be time consuming and exhausting for everyone concerned.
All this is predicated on whether or not you actually want to change their minds or if you just want to argue. Frankly, if a horse won’t drink when led to water…then they can go thirsty, for all I care. Whether the subject is the coof, Trump, Ukraine or any similar polarizing topic…if they have a moronic position…I will assume they are a moron and walk away.
The best position in cases like that, are to simply walk away. Odds are, they aren’t really your friend.

Posted by: Joe Walker | Aug 28 2022 17:07 utc | 75

On August 25, Kiev City Council has voted to rename 95 streets in Kiev. Among others, Marshal Malinovskiy Street (named after famous Soviet military commander Rodion Malinovskiy) has been renamed Azov Regiment Heroes Street, and Tulskaya Square (named after Russian city of Tula) has been renamed UPA Heroes Square.
Kiev Mayor Vitaliy Klichko wrote in his Telegram account that the new street names “must perpetuate the memory of defining events in the history of the Ukraine and of famous people and Heroes who have glorified the Ukraine and fought for the independence of our state”.
So the head of Ukraine’s capital and its legislature consider Azov Battalion neo-Nazis and UPA Nazi collaborators “Heroes” who have “glorified the Ukraine”. Yet the Western media continues to assure us that “there is no Nazism in the Ukraine”.

Posted by: S | Aug 28 2022 17:15 utc | 77

@ Chaka Khagan – How to get normies to open up to another narrative ?
The first step is to remind the normies about the long list of bald faced lies – Belgian Babies Bayoneted,,Tonkin Gulf, Iraqi Baby Incubators, Sudanese Aspirin Factory, Bosnian Rape Camps, Saddam‘s WMDs, Libyan Rape Pills, etc etc
In order for a normie to be able read independent media such as MoA with a open mind, they first need to deeply realize NPR lies.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2022 17:30 utc | 79

Posted by: DutchZ | Aug 28 2022 14:33 utc | 17
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural socialhierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
—
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is only of limited use if one wants to know what fascism is all about.
For example, the fundamental importance of unleashed economic power structures, which under fascist conditions can unfold at will using all means of the state monopoly on violence, i.e. military, intel agencies, police and secret police (sometimes private security companies or PMCs), in order to secure the enforcement of capital interests at all costs is hardly mentioned here. If at all, it is only touched upon superficially.
Fascism is therefore reduced to the mere degeneration of interpersonal relationships, and thus predominantly interpreted as a purely social phenomenon, which in reality it is not.
Mussolini’s definition of fascism has the following to say about it:

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural
associations, economic unions, social classes) outside
the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to
which unity within the State (which amalgamates
classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is
unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the
class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade
unionism as a class weapon.

https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf
So, on closer inspection, one quickly realizes that the underlying problem is far older, far more extensive and far more deeply rooted than most people realize. A vivid example in this regard from the bloody history of union busting, i.e. naked fascism itself.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/battle-blair-mountain-largest-labor-uprising-american-history-180978520/
And it is even older than that. Think of the Pinkertons.

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 28 2022 17:33 utc | 81

Of much greater importance to geopolitical outcome is economic repurcussions.
Posted by: jared | Aug 28 2022 14:31 utc | 15
I think what you mean is:
“Of much greater importance than military outcome are the geopolitical and economic repercussions.”

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 28 2022 17:35 utc | 83

Joe Walker @ 74
Also known as the Socratic method.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 28 2022 17:37 utc | 85

Et Tu @58
I don’t dislike you.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 28 2022 17:51 utc | 87

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 28 2022 17:33 utc | 80
“Unfortunately, Wikipedia is only of limited use if one wants to know what fascism is all about.”
* * *
Agreed, but how much reality do you think Americans can take at one time? They still believe that theirs is “the greatest Democracy of all time”. There is no place for fascism in their world. And that’s where their MSM will keep them until the sober realities of life wake them up.
It will be a rude awakening.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Aug 28 2022 17:53 utc | 89

BENITO MUSSOLINI, THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM (1932) *Eng. trans. Ardita Publishers, Rome

…A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is progressive. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers, thus affording practical proof of the universal character of the decisions necessary to ensure its development. This implies organization and expansion, potential if not actual. Thus the State equates itself to the will of man, whose development cannot he checked by obstacles and which, by achieving self-expression, demonstrates its infinity (21).
The Fascist State , as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man. Its functions cannot therefore be limited to those of enforcing order and keeping the peace, as the liberal doctrine had it. It is no mere mechanical device for defining the sphere within which the individual may duly exercise his supposed rights. The Fascist State is an inwardly accepted standard and rule of conduct, a discipline of the whole person; it permeates the will no less than the intellect. It stands for a principle which becomes the central motive of man as a member of civilized society, sinking deep down into his personality; it dwells in the heart of the man of action and of the thinker, of the artist and of the man of science: soul of the soul (22).
Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an
educator and a promoter of spiritual life. …

“Conception of a corporative state”

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 17:58 utc | 91

Always. read. the footnotes.

8. Conception of a corporative state
(15) We have created the united state of Italy remember that since the Empire Italy had not been a united state. Here I wish to reaffirm solemnly our doctrine of the State. Here I wish to reaffirm with no weaker energy, the formula I expounded at the scala in Milan everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state. (speech before the Chamber of Deputies, May 26, 1927 , Discorsi del 1927, Milano, Alpes, 1928, p. t57).
(16) We are, in other words, a state which controls all forces acting in nature. We
control political forces, we control moral forces we control economic forces, therefore
we are a full-blown Corporative state. We stand for a new principle in the world, we
stand for sheer, categorical, definitive antithesis to the world of democracy, plutocracy,
free-masonry, to the world which still abides by the fundamental principles laid
down in 1789. (Speech before the new National Directory of the Party, April 7,
1926, in Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 120).
The Ministry of Corporations is not a bureaucratic organ, nor does it wish to exercise the functions of syndical organizations which are necessarily independent, since they aim at organizing, selecting and improving the members of syndicates. The Ministry of Corporations is an institution in virtue of which, in the centre and outside, integral corporation becomes an accomplished fact, where balance is achieved between interests and forces of the economic world. Such a glance is only possible within the sphere of the state, because the state alone transcends the contrasting interests of groups and individuals, in view of co-coordinating them to achieve higher aims. The achievement of these aims is speeded up by the fact that all economic organizations, acknowledged, safeguarded and supported by the Corporative State, exist within the orbit of Fascism; in other terms they accept the conception of Fascism in theory and in practice. (speech at the opening of the Ministry of Corporations, July 31, 1926, in Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 250).
We have constituted a Corporative and Fascist state, the state of national society, a State which concentrates, controls, harmonizes and tempers the interests of all social classes, which are thereby protected in equal measure. Whereas, during the years of demo-liberal regime, labour looked with diffidence upon the state, was, in fact, outside the State and against the state, and considered the state an enemy of every day and every hour, there is not one working Italian today who does not seek a place in his Corporation or federation, who does not wish to be a living atom of that great, immense, living organization which is the national Corporate State of Fascism. (On the Fourth Anniversary of the March on Rome, October 28, 1926, in
Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 340).

Kind of Adam Smith-y, ironically

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circumspect | Aug 28 2022 14:18 utc | 7
interesting this story did indeed appear this morning but has yet to be transmitted by the official organs of Russian news or mainstream propaganda sites

Posted by: Perry | Aug 28 2022 18:10 utc | 95

Benito Mussolini, trans. I.S. Munro,THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM,” Encyclopedia Italiana. Vol. XIV

8. Conception of a Corporate State.
No individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, labour unions, classes) outside the State. For this reason Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which clings rigidly to class war in the historic evolution and ignores the unity of the State which moulds the classes into a single, moral and economic reality. In the same way Fascism is opposed to the unions of the labouring classes. But within the orbit of the State with ordinative functions, the real needs, which give rise to the Socialist movement and to the forming of labour unions, are emphatically recognised by Fascism and are given their full expression in the Corporative System, which conciliates every interest in the unity of the State.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 28 2022 18:11 utc | 97

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 28 2022 15:39 utc | 41
I played with these little drone things, 10 years ago, and with the help of my techie son, even built one. He helped with the coding of it. My main reason for doing this, was that, I was retired and bored, and liked flying things and the prospect of aerial photography.
I stopped playing with these things, whilst the electronics (mainly techie kids bored with school), developed the software, and gave it away for free..because I couldn’t stand the noise a drone makes. It is worse than being nagged to death, by her indoors.
Yes, I read the article. It reminded me of the Monty Python parrot sketch, except it was even more ridiculous.

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Aug 28 2022 18:16 utc | 99