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August 26, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-139
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Roger@106
And the those 40,000 troops get first dibs on the gas. Defense and stuff.
Posted by: Gus | Aug 26 2022 23:26 utc | 101
Well things seem to be shifting in Germany (please Germans here fill us in more). Every day I do a duck duck search on Germany gas just to see what I can glean (find/see). Today I read that Baerbeck has accepted his levy was wrong and needs to be adjusted to stop moneys going to profitable countries. War monger puppet of the USA ha may be but he is not stupid, and willingness to admit mistakes is a plus. He has possibly removed a serious source of political unrest and possibly has saved himself and the government
By contrast Schultz who is thick and stubborn says he will keep borders open etc. It should be obvious to anyone with the slightest knowledge of history/politics that when the energy crisis hits, sometime in November, people will turn on each other with migrants the first to cop it. Whether the Syrians/Africans will cop it worse than the Ukrainians is not clear (those in Germany may have a better idea), but there will be riots and aggression against foreigners. That is the way of history. It will be worse in Poland as they do not kike foreigners of any kind and are volatile generally
Posted by: watcher | Aug 26 2022 23:29 utc | 102
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/08/26/the-futility-of-dialogue-with-idiots-liars/
The farce this week at the UN Security Council in which Western powers brazenly snubbed the evidence of their own criminality while giving a platform to Zelensky to peddle his ridiculous lies demonstrates a profound dilemma. Any attempt to engage idiots and liars through reasoned dialogue is doomed to fail. When dialogue and diplomacy are made futile then conflict is made all but inevitable. That dilemma has been a constant hallmark of relations with Western powers for many years. The present crisis in Ukraine is the tragic outcome. Lamentably, more such crises can be expected because the idiots and liars never stop.
Western regimes are collapsing from their own inherent loss of legitimacy. That loss is entirely due to their lies becoming more manifest despite their servile media facade. Collapse can be good. It is incontestably good in the case of ending endemic corruption. The ineffable danger, however, is what Western elites will do to avoid historic collapse.
[my emphases]
Good article. But I think he needs to expand his mind viz collapse in that he seems to think that Western elites are going to try to avoid it.. I don’t think so… both sides are now working overtime to make it happen ASAP.
Winter is coming!
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/08/25/eu-controlled-demolition/
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2022 23:36 utc | 104
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 22:48 utc | 104
https://thesaker.is/president-putin-st-petersburg-international-economic-forum-plenary-session/
June 18, 2022
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Aug 26 2022 23:37 utc | 105
Hal Turner is renowned for his made up BS and failed predictions. I have never seen anything he said turn out to be true.
Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Aug 26 2022 14:55 utc | 8
He may be mis-informed, and produce news bits that end up mis-leading, but he does not cook stuff up out of thin air, short of his own opinions. Fact: he typically is days ahead in breaking news. I’ve been watching him for many years, and the challenge is knowing the difference.
Posted by: ERing46Z | Aug 26 2022 23:37 utc | 106
Posted by: Robert | Aug 26 2022 22:18 utc | 91
NATO has been at war with Russia since the 1940s…
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Actually since 1918. Though NATO was still known as ‘Allied Powers’ at that point, and Germany was not yet part of it.
Wikipoopia, because I am lazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
Posted by: Nobody | Aug 26 2022 23:38 utc | 107
Who knew?
“Winter Is Coming” is the series premiere of the HBO medieval fantasy television series Game of Thrones.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 23:40 utc | 108
@ Nobody | Aug 26 2022 23:38 utc | 113
Actually, NATO has been at war with Russia since 1242. … Back then they were known as the Teutonic Knights.
Posted by: Robert | Aug 26 2022 23:44 utc | 109
@ KitaySupporter | Aug 26 2022 23:37 utc | 111
Thank you.
The Top Ten Breakdown – as announced by Putin doesn’t mention the economic transformation of Europe. . . .big omission.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 23:47 utc | 110
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 23:40 utc | 114
Actually it was a house slogan in the books that gave rise to the series. I had more to say but too off topic.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 26 2022 23:51 utc | 111
ERing46Z @ 112
In disinformation operations, you always give the village idiot some truth.
Lawyer: FBI Paid Right-Wing Blogger Charged With Threats
Turners explanation should be put on the comedy channel. Totally implausible that the FBI would confide in him like this and make him sound like some kind of hero.
Hal Turner’s first “Mission” for FBI
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 26 2022 23:58 utc | 112
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 23:47 utc | 116
Agree. But it is in the second part of Putin’s talk. That is good enough.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Aug 27 2022 0:04 utc | 113
. . .the experts know. . .
As Europe’s energy costs skyrocket, Russia is burning off large amounts of natural gas, according to analysis shared with BBC News. They say the plant, near the border with Finland, is burning an estimated $10m (£8.4m) worth of gas every day. Experts say the gas would previously have been exported to Germany. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2022 0:08 utc | 114
@115 Nice to see some historical perspective. Of course the Teutonic Knights also had it in for Lithuania and Poland. It was a post-Crusade thing.
Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2022 0:27 utc | 115
RB | Aug 26 2022 21:47 utc | 83
RB and Prof E – Europeans have to stop playing with the world as if by divine right
That one Euro back in the day should appropriate from Indian culture and religion a symbol and misuse it, and others come along now and pretend to ban it –‘on behalf of global society’ no less ! –is to be attributed to their equal foolishness and is part of the same appropriation
To be clear : You are behaving just like that other guy, you are stealing what is not your’s to take – just because you do not know what you are doing does not absolve you
Put all this back in the box – it’s what the US does : stealing round the world
Mimicking of US behaviour is the reason EU is currently facing a crisis (war with Russia) which threatens some kind of lasting defeat and collapse
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 0:42 utc | 116
‘…Of course the Teutonic Knights also had it in for Lithuania and Poland…” dh@121
Are not the current rulers of the Baltic states the lineal descendants, politically, of the Teutonic Knights, the Swedes and the colonisers of slav lands?
I ask because I am unsure, but I see the russophobia as being on a very long continuum in which Operation Barbarossa was simply a punctuation mark- one wave in a constant series of such attacks, of which the current NATO campaign is just the latest. And, perhaps will be the last.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 27 2022 0:48 utc | 117
Don Bacon @104–
Sorry, but Putin’s speech that day focused on the domestic economy and what programs needed to be instituted to make Russia strong and resilient. The current level of economic war wasn’t envisioned, although the possibility of additional sanctions was considered. The only mention of sanctions come within the context of these two paragraphs:
“Let me remind you that in 2000, 42 million people were below the poverty line, which is almost 30 percent – 29 percent of the country’s population. In 2012, we managed to reduce this level to 10 percent.
“Due to the effects of the economic crisis, poverty has risen again. Today, 20 million citizens face it. Of course, this is not 42 million, as it was in 2000, but it is also unacceptably high. Even some working people live very modestly.” [My Emphasis]
As I noted earlier, the speech deals with domestic issues almost exclusively. Putin notes Russia has reached a threshold but needed to go well beyond that to meet its future needs. He also stressed the demographic issue–Russia needs more children–and to induce births domestic economic conditions need to improve much further. Indeed, the whole domestic agenda is formed to alleviate that problem.
Putin’s most recent address was at the Moscow Security Conference and dealt with SMO and geopolitics, not the economic situation. Most info on the economy via the Kremlin website I gather piecemeal during Putin’s interviews with various government functionaries. The last general discussion of the whole economy was July 18. Putin’s annual Hello Russia! presser will happen soon which is when I expect the next big economic review.
From what I read, the casualties from the Sanctions War are occurring within the ranks of the sanctioners. RT has a report that the Empire can’t produce enough LEU to run its reactors, a problem I reported on two years ago. Power rates everywhere are going up–Enron attacks are happening all over the Neoliberalized world, including within the Empire. Polling results show the It’s Putin’s Fault Narrative is failing everywhere. RT reports:
“Ukraine’s latest proposal to condemn Russia has attracted the backing of just 58 out of 193 UN member states, a far cry from the number that symbolically supported Kiev in the General Assembly in March.”
And of course, even fewer nations are sanctioners. As for the political fallout for them, efforts are being made to rectify the energy mistakes–geoeconomic dependency cannot be legislated or wished away as I’ve written before. We just need to watch how that shakes out.
@ dh | Aug 27 2022 0:27 utc | 121
The Teutonic Knight offensive against Nevsky and the Rus was considered part of the ‘Northern Crusades’.
The popular depiction of this event (‘Battle on the Ice’ film with the dramatic Prokofiev score) accentuates the Vatican’s complicity.
See here: … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPixaWL2Pg
Posted by: Robert | Aug 27 2022 0:59 utc | 119
Don Bacon @120–
That BBC report is likely crap. Russia has very strict laws about flaring and has plenty of storage facilities.
“..I am not one that believes Russia to be all powerful, but it is powerful enough…. I also believe the American commitment to this war is limited to money and avoiding criminal liability, and that Putin knows the parameters in which he must operate to meet his strategic goals. ..” Clausewitz@84
The problem, in this forum and in the west generally, is that few people have come to the realisation that the United States is not all powerful. Time and time again one comes across comments premissed on the assumption that the US can do-militarily and diplomatically- whatever it wants.
The reason for this is very simple: it tells Europe and the formerly British Empire (white dominions) what to do and they obey. But the basis of this hegemony is simply cultural: the US Empire controls the Academy, the media and the political-prostitute class.
The US is a boxer who beats the hell out of his sparring partners but always manages to come up with an excuse for postponing the championship bout.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 27 2022 1:05 utc | 121
Scorpion | Aug 26 2022 21:23 utc | 76
The EU – just as some large part of Africa – is not to be blamed for the initial defeat – it is the lack of subsequent resistance, and the craven without question adoption, by the ordinary people the working classes, of ideologies and behaviour which are destructive of their traditions lives and habitats
As in Europe now –the élites will be fine, it’s the rest who are doomed
It’s like de industrialisation – industry once shifted off shore is impossible to get back – it may be possible to bring back materiel factories and machines, but the culture administration and workforce will be inadequate –
Absent a revolution and the kind of driven intelligent central authority on display in Russia, a country which went through only a brief period of abandon
Otherwise I agree with what you say might be possible – but such a turnaround is usually only possible after severe military defeat – with the recognition of how and why
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 1:10 utc | 122
@125 Strange times. Probably the heart of the schism between Catholicism and the Russian Orthodox Church. Alexander Nevsky was actually made a saint for defeating the Teutonic Knights.
Posted by: dh | Aug 27 2022 1:14 utc | 123
@ uncle tungsten | Aug 26 2022 22:33 utc | 100
thanks… there is no way Dmytro Yarosh would be considered a replacement for zelensky… i can’t see that…
@ bevin | Aug 27 2022 1:05 utc | 128
interesting analogy at the end… are we in the championship bout here??
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2022 1:15 utc | 124
dima @ military channel today saying power shut down to ukraine from the nuke plant… 5 pm cbc news said it was shut down friday and is back now… cbc – russia keeps shelling its own position at the power plant… of course anyone with a brain would be scratching their head to figure it out, but because cbc said it – it must be true, lol…
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2022 1:17 utc | 125
https://yle.fi/news/3-12595977
finnish news – Researcher: Nato talks between Finland, Sweden and Turkey unlikely to yield results
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2022 1:21 utc | 126
james, that will depend upon whether the ‘champ’ actually gets into the ring. Right now he is just shouting insults and prancing around at the weigh in. Nobody would be surprised if something- a hang nail or a loss of the sense of smell or maybe a domestic emergency happened to prevent the fight from taking place. It’s happened in the past “Can’t fight now, gotta feed starving Africa..”
Posted by: bevin | Aug 27 2022 1:22 utc | 127
thanks bevin… this isn’t all star wrestling, lol…. if there is – there’s a role for trump in all of this!
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2022 1:25 utc | 128
“85 Days in Slavyansk was first published in Russian in 2018, that is to say four years after the events it describes, but it has only now received international attention following its translation into English by Peter Nimitz and release in mid-spring 2022.
“Today the city of Slavyansk appears regularly in news from the front. Slavyansk, together with its surrounding villages, and nearby strategic town of Kramatorsk is being reclaimed by Russia in its ‘special military operation.’ Indeed, as we write, the Russian army is within 20 miles of Slavyansk, which it will surely retake in the months ahead as it frees the entire Donbas from Ukrainian misrule…”
Gilbert Doctorow gives capitalists a good name. Don’t miss the latest book review:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 27 2022 1:32 utc | 129
bevin 128
No, the United States is not all powerful, but it is powerful enough. Powerful enough to dominate without question half a hemisphere. Powerful enough to project conventional power across the entire globe. Powerful enough to incinerate any foe with little risk to itself, so long as it avoids confronting the few other great powers with that same power. And until this century, powerful enough to psychologically project its will onto others with minimal, or at least only moderate, obstacles.
It is that last power that the U.S. no longer has, and with its disappearance comes the recognition that the power that it does have is not unmatched. By objective standards Russia is not as powerful as the U.S., but it is powerful enough. Powerful enough to destroy the U.S. Powerful enough to resist an unequal hegemony. Powerful enough to bend Europe to its will. And it is this last matter that terrifies the European elites, because in the end the U.S. will not use all its power to prevent this.
Posted by: Clausewitz | Aug 27 2022 1:38 utc | 130
Here is a taste of Henry Kamens’ article at NEO. It is very good-lots about Georgia, smuggling and corporate criminals in Ukraine:
“…The CIA/NED/Deep State has only one aim – to control Russia, so that it can control China. In spite of the plans in place, the degree to which US companies will profit from Ukraine is yet to be seen.
“But it’s the CIA’s job to help them. Ukraine has been a failure since March 2022, when the USA discovered how little support it had in the world. As witnessed by the hatred of 270 million Indonesians cheering for Russia, the conflict is often seen as a proxy war between Russia and the USA, in line with many historical precedents, but this is not enough to divide the “good” countries from the “bad”, as the US always hopes its interventions will.
“So feeling impotent, the CIA threatens Ethiopia by invading Somalia, then causes trouble for border region Serbs in Kosovo, and recently aggravated a “minding its own business” China. But it’s becoming almost impossible for the CIA to create real chaos, and the world knows their playbook.
“Without the ability to change governments at will both NATO and the military industrial complex will die, and with them that evil organisation, bent on global domination, the CIA…”
https://journal-neo.org/2022/08/26/what-is-the-real-target-objective-of-us-offence-policy-in-europe/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 27 2022 1:52 utc | 131
“Without the ability to change governments at will both NATO and the military industrial complex will die, and with them that evil organisation, bent on global domination, the CIA…”
Add to that … The US referendum on Ukraine failed miserably today at the UN. … About 150 nations rejected it.
Clearly, the US (hence CIA) are losing support quickly and in a few years will be totally ineffective.
Posted by: Robert | Aug 27 2022 1:57 utc | 132
@Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 26 2022 23:40 utc | 114
My version of Winter Is Coming: A Winter Of Discontent, a little too long for a comment entry.
Shakespeare’s Richard III, “Now is the winter of our discontent”
Winter is certainly coming … but the European elites don’t have a North Wall or a Knight’s Watch to save them (nor a bunch of dragons). Or is it the “barbarians” from the East that has been the imagined foe since the time of the Mongols and the East-West schism?
The gateway to the soft underbelly of Europe
What do you think happens in Moldova this winter? You know, the country that has defaulted on its gas payments to Gazprom and is getting ready to default on its extension?
What do you think happens in Romania this winter? You know, the country that has capped gas and electricity bills and is compensating suppliers for the difference.
What do you think happens in Bulgaria this winter? You know, the country that refused to pay gas for rubles, had its gas cut off and now is pretending that Russia will simply turn on the tap now that it has reconsidered its position?
Do you remember Serbia? Russia does.
Do you remember Kosovo? Serbia does.
Posted by: Clausewitz | Aug 27 2022 2:19 utc | 134
@Clausewitz + others…. allow me to chime in with this:
Slava Ukrainia [+ take *that* Putin!] v “#Energy Crisis”
SOURCE:
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1563185316114010113?cxt=HHwWgsCo0emwxrErAAAA
“So today in Europe energy markets: (Aug 27)
>benchmark gas TTF trades at $100 per mBtu (that’s more than €340 per MWh, if you prefer)
>Cal-23 electricity price surges to €995 per MWh and
>Cal-23 jumps to €1,130 per MWh (that compares with a 2010-2020 average of ~€45)”
And: (from replies and retweets^)
> OUCH! French 1y ahead electricity price exceeds €1,000 per megawatt hour for 1st time. The German equivalent also gained to a record, hitting as high €829 a megawatt hour, capping a 48% gain this week.
> The French 1-year forward electricity contract just traded above €1,000 per MWh for the first time (that’s not a typo: one-thousand-euros!!!), up from the 2010-2020 average of €45 per MWh.
> @Ed_Matthew1. The UK is addicted to gas with 85% using it for heating.
We also have least energy efficient housing stock in Western Europe.
The mix makes us uniquely exposed to this gas price crisis. … with heat loss from UK homes 3X that of Germany.
> Good Morning from Germany, where energy fears push consumer confidence to record low. Pollster GfK’s forward-looking barometer fell to -36.5 points for Sept, lowest level since its records began in 1991, following Aug reading of -30.9 points as consumers face huge energy bills.
>The Czech Republic, which holds the rotating UE presidency, is calling for an urgent meeting of European energy ministers to discuss rising electricity prices. About time!!!! But what’s needed is EU heads of state-government summit. And very urgently.
> Reminder: in many European countries, electricity prices are “capped” or “managed” for households. But that’s not the case (generally) for businesses. Small and medium enterprises are getting the full fare. Bear that in mind when thinking about inflation.
^>> Very true. On average companies I’ve talked to are facing a 3 to 5 times increase in energy bills. For most, their choice is to fix at today’s record price or pay the wholesale price. Example of a small shop going from €50k annual bill to €150k in 2022 and worse likely ahead.
§§§There’s hundreds (millions?) more ^ comments across the twitterverse. ^
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 2:30 utc | 135
Otherwise I agree with what you say might be possible – but such a turnaround is usually only possible after severe military defeat – with the recognition of how and why
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 1:10 utc | 130
Well said. Thxs for the interchange.
S | Aug 26 2022 17:27 utc | 45
Thank you for that graph.
Some observations from my 101st armchair squadron [or whatever that clever quip I saw here at the bar, and thought I’d steal, but now can’t remember]
FEB 24: 62 Ukrainian aircraft destroyed.
>the claim Russia took air dominance (superiority? | I’m not conversant with the correct terms, despite at one time lurking Martyanov)
Destruction of such a large number on Day 1/ Week 1 supports the claim.
MAY 5: It is apparent Russia is winning/ has won.
> We started to see some shift in msm narrative, with a few ex-military being allowed airtime; not being mocked, shut down and shouted over in “discussions”.
AUG 4: Ukraine has been defeated. End of phase 2.
>No wonder Boris ran to Z this week. Even the Cocaine Kid of Kiev must know it’s over.
What’s next?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 2:52 utc | 137
The popular depiction of this event (‘Battle on the Ice’ film with the dramatic Prokofiev score) accentuates the Vatican’s complicity.
See here: … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPixaWL2Pg
Posted by: Robert | Aug 27 2022 0:59 utc | 125
That is just a small part. The full movie is here…
https://youtu.be/Gq4PaJfod4w
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 27 2022 3:06 utc | 138
@Bacon + karlof
Russia Gas flaring
From twitter:
>Russia is now flaring around $10M/day of natural gas along the Finnish border. This is gas which would normally be piped to Germany.
>Source?
> Swedish public TV news channel, SVT Nyheter.
> At current spot market pricing?
> I’d think so, but can’t confirm.
>> The flaring is at Portovaya LNG. The plant, once commissioned, is set to supply up to 1.5m tons/year to Kaliningrad. Gazprom also planned to send some cargoes to the Baltic/Scandinavia states but that’s hardly possible now. So the flared gas would not go to Germany anyway.
https://twitter.com/d_khrennikova/status/1563166465678643202
> Flaring during commissioning of LNG plant is a common practice and can last several weeks.
https://ipieca.org/resources/energy-efficiency-solutions/flaring-and-venting/flaring-start-up-flaring/…
Here is a UK based North Sea Transition Authority reference. Details for flaring during commissioning are found on page 7.
https://nstauthority.co.uk/media/7647/flaring-and-venting-guidance_june-2021-final.pdf
> Flaring is normal is some instances due to variations in line pressure. IOW, rvssia can never completely “shut-off” due to geologic pressure. 14.4 MkWh are still flowing into NS1 at this time.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 3:07 utc | 139
re: Russia gas flaring
Russian gas flaring is discussed here.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2022 3:17 utc | 140
Scorpion@76
A nation “is a historically stable community of people formed on basis of a common language, territory, economic life and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.” Stalin , 1913. The USSR was established with this rationale…
Posted by: Mjh | Aug 27 2022 3:24 utc | 141
anti-spiegel.ru has some interesting Ukraine reports today but the interubes ate my post so go there and enjoy.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2022 3:27 utc | 142
Judge for yourself how successful USSR applied this definition. Full nations became federated republics. Russia’s many federal semi-autonomous regions were designated for peoples not meeting full definition. Mixed results, imho—but better than much of the west’s handling similar questions
Posted by: Mjh | Aug 27 2022 3:30 utc | 143
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/26/how-ukraine-turns-cheap-tablets-into-lethal-weapons
Kyiv, Ukraine – Years before Russia invaded Ukraine, Oleksiy Savchenko helped develop one of the most lethal and inexpensive weapons now used by thousands of Ukrainian service members.
Posted by: Molly Ukranian | Aug 27 2022 3:35 utc | 144
HIMARS hits hospital in Lugansk killing g 3 injuring 7. When is Russia going to respond in a manly fashion?
Posted by: Deplorable Cro magno | Aug 27 2022 3:35 utc | 145
@ uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2022 3:27 utc | 150
Thanks, uncle.
from anti-Spiegel
In 2019, Kyiv decided not to implement Minsk II and prepared war with Russia
The head of the Ukrainian Security Council said in an interview that in 2019 Kyiv decided not to implement the Minsk agreement and instead is preparing for war with Russia.
The honesty of some officials in the Kiev government is fascinating, because they know which of their statements will not be reported by the Western media. Alexei Danilov, the head of the Ukrainian Security Council, who is very powerful in Ukraine, said in an interview that after the last meeting in the Normandy format in early December 2019, Kyiv decided to openly reject the Minsk agreement and instead opt for war with Russia prepared. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2022 3:37 utc | 146
another article at anti-Speigel
Group backed by Soros and Kyiv is behind Darya Dugina’s murder
The murder of the young journalist Darja Dugina has been largely solved. There can hardly be any doubts about this, because Ukrainian authorities confirm the Russian investigation results.
I have already reported on the murder of a young Russian journalist, Darya Dugina, whom I knew personally. Since Western media portrays her and her father as something they are not, I want to revisit that briefly before I come to the results of the investigation and the statements from Kyiv about the murder, which confirm that Kyiv was behind the murder and that it was carried out by people who have been paid by George Soros for years. The West knew about the assassination plan, which is de facto state terrorism by the Ukrainian government, and the assassination may even have been supported by the West. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 27 2022 3:46 utc | 147
The swastika or svastika is “the most sacred and mystic symbol in India.” It is a pure spiritual symbol which can be found on the historical remains and records of almost every nation, originating initially in India, the ancient Mother of our modern civilisation. It was also an important and much cherished symbol of the early Christians, who called it the “crux dissimulata” and often accompanied it with the inscription “Vitalis Vitalia” – “Life of Life.” They used the swastika for centuries, long before the crucifix form of the Cross was ever invented. The symbol of the cross with the crucified Jesus on it did not exist until 700 A.D. or later.
The swastika symbolizes and represents:
(1) Auspiciousness, since the true and literal meaning of the Sanskrit word “Swastika” is “All is well.”
(2) The continual motion and revolution of the invisible forces of the universe and the cycles of time, represented by the four arms of the cross being bent at right angles to signify motion and rotation.
(3) The Seal of the Heart or Heart’s Seal of Buddhism. It can be seen engraved on the chest of Buddha in many statues of him around the world.
(4) Fohat, cosmic electricity.
The Nazis also misappropriated and misrepresented the word “Aryan” – using it to mean a so-called “perfect race” of blonde haired, blue eyed, fair skinned people – whereas in its actual and historical sense the word “Aryan” means “Indian.” Ancient India was called Aryavarta and the Aryans were the inhabitants of this land.
Posted by: Organic | Aug 27 2022 3:49 utc | 148
Organic | Aug 27 2022 3:49 utc | 156
Thanks for these descriptions, much appreciated
Dpug | Aug 27 2022 4:07 utc | 158
Stealing is not owning, give it back
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 4:17 utc | 149
Some observations from my 101st armchair squadron [or whatever that clever quip I saw here at the bar, and thought I’d steal, but now can’t remember]
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 2:52 utc | 145
Melaleuca, I think it was ‘101st chairborne’ but not certain and can’t remember poster. Yeah, clever.
Thanks for your posts.
Thanks also to other posters. This is a very good thread!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 27 2022 4:29 utc | 150
The arrogance here is mind-blowing, And I am an arrogant American…
EU nation wants to resume buying Russian gas
The Bulgarian government is considering holding talks with energy giant Gazprom on resuming Russian natural gas imports, Energy Minister Rosen Hristov told Nova TV on Friday.
Considering. As if it has all the power. To be fair, this may be the word choice of the writer.
“There are still no active talks with Gazprom… but we have given an indication that we want to start negotiations, or rather to continue them to clarify some controversial terms of the contract. We simply sent information that we were ready to negotiate and asked them to resume contact,” he said, specifying that Sofia expects a response from the Russian supplier on Friday, or Monday next week at the latest.
You want and you expect, huh? It is good that you are ready. Gazprom has been waiting for you all these months.
The minister stressed: “We are only talking about the old contract; we will not re-sign or negotiate a new contract.” I am sure your tough position will frighten Gazprom into aceeding to your terms.
According to Hristov, Sofia is seeking to extend the deadline to supply the remaining volumes of gas under the contract until 2023.
In April, Bulgaria rejected the ruble-for-gas payment method introduced by Russia in response to Western sanctions. Under the new regulation, buyers from countries that imposed restrictions on Moscow are obliged to pay for Russian natural gas in rubles. Sofia’s refusal to accept the new terms prompted Gazprom Export to halt fuel supplies to its Bulgarian partner, Bulgargaz.
Here is something for you to consider, Bulgaria. How much gas did you buy annually from Gazprom? As a customer, what percentage did those sales make up as a total of Grazprom’s sales? 50%? 40%? 30%? 20%? 10%? Less? You Europeans understanding nothing about business, about politics, about nature.
Posted by: Dpug | Aug 27 2022 4:32 utc | 151
So… maybe the war in Ukraine can make everyone realize that the much cherished talk of logistics (and in addition all actions including mere inactive survival) is subordinate to energy?
That war is about the most efficient application of energy and destruction of enemy energy, energy in all its forms.
(This answers or replies to a large number of comments I’ve seen and read here during the last months. All kinds of different comments, perhaps three digits worth, many of them about military matters).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 27 2022 4:33 utc | 152
Melaleuca #145
>No wonder Boris ran to Z this week. Even the Cocaine Kid of Kiev must know it’s over.
What’s next?
Sir Z
bestowed upon him by Charles, King of the englanders
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2022 4:39 utc | 153
Gus [107]
US does not have 40,000 combat troops in Germany.
Those troops include medics, SIGINT, support units but very few combat troops. I would be surprised if US had more than 12,000 combat troops in Europe
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 4:46 utc | 154
Organic
Reverse the swastika to render it German
Make the Cross iron to change its meaning
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 4:49 utc | 155
Deplorable Cro magno #153
HIMARS hits hospital in Lugansk killing g 3 injuring 7. When is Russia going to respond in a manly fashion?
What’s up brother? 100,000 dead Uke nazis and their international mercenaries not enough? Consider the demise of the rainbow clowns in western europe and their national economies and their armories.
Then think of them all restored to the 1800’s wiping their rs on leaves from trees – in winter? 🙂
Get some pickled cabbage and chips and settle down for the long war. Sure there could be some swift ju jitsu in the next two months but do not choke on the chips and guzzle all the beer. may calm abiding be with you
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2022 4:49 utc | 156
As Jellybaby starts to realise that he will not enjoy his millions and that Western commentators have let the cat out of the bag that Ukraine is dependent entirely on US satellite information to target missiles, he can shift all responsibility for this war onto Biden.
Trump has three trump cards, the US public’s hatred of US illegal war , White Supremacism, and a Jewish lineage. The most likely outcome of this war is that Biden will be blamed, and Jellybaby will be charged but exonerated for his war crimes because he was under duress from Biden and Johnson.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 27 2022 4:51 utc | 157
Clausewitz–
Thanks for your commentary. The basic power relations are rather simple. We shall see how events unfold.
@Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 4:46 utc | 164
They are all military personnel, and still an occupation force. The possibility of Russia invading Germany is approaching zero, the force is more there to keep the Germans in line. It did also come in handy for bombing civilians in Serbia and regime change in Libya.
@ Dpug | Aug 27 2022 4:32 utc | 161 and others commenting about Russia gas pricing/availability.
Under the current “Rules-Based-Order” of the West, all energy pricing is manipulated along with pricing of most everything else. The market controlling entities are private and corrupt (by definition). Another element of control is money/Reserve Currency status which the West threw Russia out of since the beginning of the SMO. This is forcing/giving Russia and China the impetus to challenge the private “Rules-Based” market controlling entities along with forcing the end of running budget deficits on the public back of fiat money by proposing an altrernative Reserve Currency with money having intrinsic value based on breadbasket of ???.
All new price/value negotiation systems and agreement processes between sovereign governments will replace the private corrupt back-room current global markets….and it is not just energy but FOOD sovereignty that will be returned to nations to negotiate on their own behalf.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 27 2022 5:55 utc | 160
|LOOK UP^^^^^^^|
How can you all not know this? (I guess I don’t know everything, but this piece of knowledge is multi-millennium ancient.)
The Sanskrit “wheel of life”, the “swastika”…. is:
Ursa Minor/Little Bear/Polaris/North Star/Circle of Life/Wheel in the Sky.
Of *course * the symbol *looks* like it’s *in motion*…. It’s the constellation seasonal traverse around the North Star. Pole star.
Of *course* it’s found across millennia, and across religions and cultures and regions…. anyone who could ^ look up^ in the northern hemisphere and see the Pole Star and traced the seasons by its movement….. wove it into their epistemologies.
Among the many pieces of Germany and the Reich period now unknown is it’s grounding in ancient (Sanskrit) spirituality. Yes. Spirituality. There was a lot of mysticism and esoteric influences.
This is not the blog for further discussion on this… so I’ll Big Zipper Dipper my mouth…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 6:04 utc | 161
In case people misunderstand I’m not talking specifically about gas, petrol, or electricity, although they too apply, but so does movement, any action, creation and destruction of structure, capital/matter, and any thought.
Effort.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 27 2022 6:06 utc | 162
Posted by: Annette | Aug 27 2022 4:03 utc | 157
The interview is in Russian, the greater irony of the Russian language being forbidden and persecuted is that basically all the leaders were raised and speak it better than the forcefully promoted Ukrainian which was the peasants language now made universal especially by the western MSM who insists on using Ukrainian toponyms for cities and places that where Russian. An artificial construct, that’s what the whole Ukro thing is all about.
Posted by: Paco | Aug 27 2022 7:04 utc | 163
You have to love this sub-heading at Al Jazeera:
“Russia’s military ineptitude, Ukraine’s energetic defence, HIMARS, and now – the focus on the south.”
Sums up the current status perfectly. You go away thinking – Russia inept, Uki defence working wonders, and what about those wonderful HIMARS!!
Thank fsm for all that truth in journalism.
Posted by: digital dinosaur | Aug 27 2022 7:42 utc | 164
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 0:42 utc | 122
Your arguments are pure sophistry. For people connected to the events of WWII in Europe, even second generation, it’s a visceral reaction. I know it doesn’t bother the Americans. What’s your reaction to Azov people brandishing swastika tattoos? They are referring to a specific meaning of the symbol.
Posted by: RB | Aug 27 2022 7:50 utc | 165
Jackson Hinkle expresses a clear point of view and it is not very supportive of western lunacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfUg16PGhQ
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 27 2022 7:53 utc | 166
I wish I could feel as sanguine about the eventual result of the current conflict in Ukraine as many here including our host do.
I have no insight other than a hairy eyeball which has glommed a mob of data over the years, data about how amerika behaves when it is about to be deemed the loser along with data about how the current Russian Administration behaves when confronted by amerikan inability to accept ‘reality’ and that causes me to conclude that when a post such as “To lighten the mood, I have a joke for your perusal: Ukraine is Winning!”, or b writes that the Ukraine government is deceiving ” to hide from its supporters the inevitable defeat that the Ukrainian army will experience.”
I imagine that most here would regard a situation where the Russian Army succeeded in occupying a swathe of land from the current holdings of Donetsk along the Black Sea coast all the way to Transnistria (sp?) as victory when my hairy eyeball tells me that if that were to occur, it would merely signal the end of Act 1 in an infinitely long play.
In fact my hairy eyeball tells me that the odds of the Allied Forces reaching Transnistria are only about 50% given the current Russian administration’s penchant for quitting when its immediate needs have been satisfied, bugger the needs of actual humans. See Syria where amerika currently gleefully occupies more than 30% of Syria, not surprisingly the area where all Syria’s resource wealth lies and the Syrian people are subjected to continual assaults including this week by both amerika and the occupiers of Palestine, yet Russia fails to say dickie bird about this much less do anything such as even something simple like using the advanced anti air attack systems it has installed on Syria on these murderers. They wouldn’t even have had to directly confront the amerikan or israeli military, both of the recent attacks were unmanned air assaults yet Russia as per usual does fuck all. Russia has gotten what it wanted, a deal with the Syrian government to prevent a pipeline on the land Syria has regained which prevents any ME state from reticulating gas or any other fossil fuel, to Europe. The monopoly has been protected.
Many of us believe this is a good thing but I doubt all Syrians do now they are confronted with the reality of what assistance from Russia actually means when played out.
So we know two things, looking at Syria where amerika deliberately stirred up shit in a way very similar to what it did in Ukraine we know that amerika will not stop when defeat appears inevitable. Not because amerika cares, or because it believes in what it claims to be fighting for, we know from the myriad of other conflicts amerika has wound up that whatever principle amerika claimed made its conflict necessary is meaningless in comparison to what it believes is the loss of face amerika will suffer in all the nations of the world where it blusters, bullies, blackmails and sometimes bribes to get what it wants.
Afghanistan is the most recent example, hell there the amerikans conspired with proven crooks to get rid of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Afghanistan’s neighbour Pakistan just so it will be easier to punish Afghanistan for the crime of defeating amerika.
Does anyone seriously believe that this current conflict between amerika and Russia will end just because the allied forces have been successful, hell no and I reckon that if the Russian government has any brains, they don’t believe it either.
If the allied forces were to get to Transnistria, give high fives all around then crack open a few bottles, amerika is gonna pull out every stop available to fuck up Russia in every way imaginable.
I hate to be the wet blanket here but greedy IKEA getting back into the Russia market will be small potatoes as FukUSi fine tune their sanctions over the next few years. Once frustration with the sanctions induced economic siege runs too long the bourgeois russians who have been loudest in their support for Russia’s administration will do as the bourgeoisie everywhere always does and regard any incursion on their lifestyle as a heinous crime which must be remedied. FukUSi highly experienced in manipulation of dupes will triage the fuckwitted sending the drongos off on the full gamut of missions, from ‘protesting’ to sabotage.
I don’t know how long that Russia can keep its economy going with reduced income from europe, someone I read somewhere today maintained that with the increased returns on what it did sell, Russia could maintain itself at current levels for about 12 months before things deteriorated.
I dunno how long it would take, but I do know that Russia’s elites will get pissed at any decrease in their income streams. Sure other nations have been trading with Russia since the sanctions, if amerika does as it does, the recent efforts by the blinken should be considered as preliminary scoping exercises before amerika selects whichever nation or cluster of nations it knows it can bully into submission to make an example of before mustering the herd back into the corral.
Yep it would be great if amerika tried & failed to do that but the targets of amerika’s heavy-handed brow beating aren’t people, well not in the normal sense of the word anyway, they are politicians. Politicians with all the self interested baggage all politicians carry, does anyone seriously expect such a mob of low moral, cringing curs to really stick together once the heat is really turned up?
No of course not, but it probably won’t even come to that, well not right away, punishments will of course be dealt out to any recalcitrant curs after amerika believes it has won the argument.
It won’t come down to this because I doubt the current Russian administration is stupid enough to let it. Before Transnistria is reached there will be a deal, probably like Syria where an alleged temporary arrangement between Turkey and Russia was made. A deal which has turned permanent, set it stone in fact, which amerika and the occupiers of Palestine completely ignore with nary a word from the Russian government.
Something similar will happen in Ukraine, a deal between either the EU as a whole (unlikely given the newer EU members crazed intransigence) and Russia, or a deal between Germany and Russia will be made whereby it is agreed that Russia (not the allied forces – this is important) can keep administration of the Donbass and europe will cease supplying weapons to the nazis.
The deal will be sold to the humans on both sides as temporary, tho it will turn as fixed as any other deal. Altho much of europe will agree not to allow Ukraine into Nato, amerika who will probably not be a signatory (why would it? it already claims not to be a party to the conflict, yeah right) is going to completely ignore that part of the agreement and meddle in the business of everyone involved.
At some point, probably after the rethugs have gained power on the hill, a backlash among amerikans opposed to so much money being spent in Ukraine whilst normal amerikans are homeless, without healthcare etc will develop. Maybe Congress will pass a bill seeming to prohibit the amerikan government from spending on Ukraine resistance. That will do very little, I’m sure many of you believe that the CIA will crank up narcotics business to raise funds for Ukraine but I doubt that as it has too much downside if word gets out.
I reckon the scam would be for some type of crypto currency rort aimed at many millions of small ‘investors’ – some type of ponzi where early payouts lure in every man & his dog, then the cash just poof! disappears before surfacing in Ukie land. If anything along those lines does happen trouble in Crimea & Donbass will continue until one side or the other cops a really major setback.
I really want to be wrong about this but any objective analysis which considers all the players, discards wishful thinking must conclude that while the empire is unlikely to last another couple of centuries it will depart with a whimper rather than a bang using every possible angle as it sinks.
Why bother to say it then? Because as an empire destructs it is other possibly entirely innocent of the empire’s crimes which really cop it rough.
For example it has taken 100 years for the englander empire to completely immolate and even though right now it is incapable of taking a shit without amerikan assistance, desperation from england’s ‘leaders’ causes england to pull some sick & degenerate stunts in an effort to show amerika that england stands tallest among the has-beens. eg white helmets’ foul Syrian crimes.
Amerika’s empire is not yet close to the debasement of england’s yet those familiar with modern history know that the englander empire was much closer to its current state when englander imperialists visited hell upon the people of Biafra in a blatant resource theft war.
Englander shareholders in Shell and BP are still doing just fine but the Igbo people upon whose land Nigerian oil rests are doing as badly as they were in 1966 when this kicked off if not worse as so many young Igbos have become refugees, fleeing to Zimbabwe, South Africa and fields far more distant.
So by all means cheer on the allied forces but temper that with knowledge of humanity, of how we generally get led by the basest of humans motivated almost entirely by greed/hunger for power.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 27 2022 7:53 utc | 167
@karlof1 | Aug 26 2022 21:24 utc | 77
Yes, 2004 is when Putin publicly announced to the world that Russia had and would field hypersonic weapon systems, not 2018. As Putin embarrassingly noted, he had to repeat himself to remind the world that he had already announced what he was about to again.
Many thanks for pointing this out, it had not caught my attention. It is astonishing to observe that Russia had the key to hypersonic weapons already in 2004. It just widened the military-technological gap to the US by more than a decade on top of what I already understood.
The videos Putin played during the speech were derided as CGI and fantasy.
I guess my lack of attention was due to not being immune to western delusions, even if I try to arrive at truth via evidence and reason.
I predict the West will finally listen to Russia, and I also predict the West will be very unhappy when it finally does.
I hope you are correct. I think the West will be unhappier if it doesn’t.
Thanks again for your post.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2022 7:54 utc | 168
@167, Giyane, You say one of Trump’s trump cards is “the US public’s hatred of US illegal war.” Trump never had nor ever will have the slightest authority over US war/military decisions. The US is effectively a military dictatorship and US taxpayers are its slaves. Trump won votes in 2016 by promising to cut back on US foreign aggression, to normalize relations w. Russia, pull back from NATO, stop endless Mid East wars. As soon as he was elected, he did the opposite and made Jared de facto pres. He quickly sent tanks to Estonia/Russia border to “reassure” NATO. In wk. 7 he bombed Syria. In wk. 8 he bombed Afghan. The Pentagon ignored him, so to make people think it was his idea, he announced in April 2017 that he was turning over all his Cmdr. in Chief duties “to his great generals,” effectively nullifying his own election. In August 2017, nearly 100% of US House and Senate voted to remove all Russia decisions from him and divert them to the Senate. Also in Aug. 2017, he went on tv to announce he changed his mind about endless Mid East wars, he now thinks they’re a good idea. In 2019 he and Jared merged fundraising with the RNC, completing his sell out to the Establishment. Trump is merely a front man, salesman, for Jared and the RNC. The Establishment is fine with this because they completely control Trump, they want him to take up all the air so we can’t get a candidate who’ll help us. For 4 years Trump was happy that US illegally occupied one third of Syria, stealing the oil and preventing poor Syrian families from farming on the land. He’ll likely never win again anyway because he won’t win the Rust Belt states again. Jared and the GOP want minority voters, they don’t want white voters. Rust Belt states give you white voters.
Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 27 2022 7:57 utc | 169
RB | Aug 27 2022 7:50 utc | 175
You Euros stole the symbol and are still playing with it– get over yourselves : now you’re quarreling with the Azovs over copyright – playing with something you do not know the meaning of, desecrating the religions from whom you stole it, and reacting spoilt kiddie when told to give it back
Children in a playground– the EU US together have a colonialist view of the world, going overseas to snatch whatever you want and saying it’s mine then fighting over it
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 8:21 utc | 170
@watcher | Aug 26 2022 23:29 utc | 108
Today I read that Baerbeck has accepted his levy was wrong and needs to be adjusted to stop moneys going to profitable countries. War monger puppet of the USA ha may be but he is not stupid, and willingness to admit mistakes is a plus. He has possibly removed a serious source of political unrest and possibly has saved himself and the government
Has Annalena Baerbock transitioned to become a ‘he’ now? I know it is fashionable among the deluded, but …
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2022 8:25 utc | 171
Obviously you are a finn, because you are able to write “hakaristi”,instead of swastika. Well, then you should also be familiar origin of the sign. It was taken from family arms of the german count who donated first aircraft for finnish airforce way before WWII and has nothing to do with the nazis.
Posted by: pavi | Aug 26 2022 15:08 utc | 11
I don’t know how you manage that, but the Finnish power of denial is astonishing.
It was a far right symbol when it was adopted, which already then was not really something to be proud of.
Finnish aviation managed to keep it on until 2020, by denying it became associate with ever worse ideologies. Ideologies Finns collaborated with, despite all efforts to say otherwise. Denial, as I said. Most Finns also think won the winter war, which strategically is clearly not the case. You just developed a bad case of russophobia, get over it.
Lots of commenters already explained how the original symbol was something different. Well, so was the fascium of fascists in Roman times. Yet, those symbols have come to mean something else and are not acceptable anymore, not to people that stand for human values at least. As others have said, you can’t ignore that and it will take a while to change.
Posted by: Fennovoima | Aug 27 2022 8:26 utc | 172
US Generals plotting a winning strategy
Aside from bombing helpless nations into submission there is no winning US strategy. Vietnamese farmers and Afghan goat herders know all about American military prowess
You cannot use the mindset that got you into a morass to plot your way out. An epiphany is needed, birthed out of humiliation is my guess.
Posted by: DaVinci | Aug 27 2022 8:43 utc | 173
Posted by: Clausewitz | Aug 26 2022 20:24 utc | 71
Great posts, thank you.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2022 21:24 utc | 77
An amazing speech, thank you very much for reproducing relevant sections.
Sad to say that US decision makers know very well what Putin’s saying and he’s offering but the Dollar Empire is either expanding and devouring, or it’s imploding. Only the fabulous loot and spoils of empire can maintain the lurid DC carnival act in the manner to which it has become accustomed and stave off total dollar-denominated collapse.
In this respect, the Bidens are absolutely typical and exemplary.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2022 8:58 utc | 174
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 8:21 utc | 180
Bizarre American arguments. I know you, I’ve lived in the US for 40 years.
For me this is a symbol of 26 million dead Russians, 6 million of Polish citizens, 20 million of dead Germans. While you are sitting safely behind the pond without any sense of history or even geography, judging the world.
Posted by: RB | Aug 27 2022 9:11 utc | 175
Posted by: Fennovoima | Aug 27 2022 8:26 utc | 182
“Lots of commenters already explained how the original symbol was something different. Well, so was the fascium of fascists in Roman times. Yet, those symbols have come to mean something else and are not acceptable anymore, not to people that stand for human values at least. As others have said, you can’t ignore that and it will take a while to change.”
You are misguided – the original symbol and it’s original use is still current: it was stolen from Asia and subverted by a band of unholy Euros, but the number of those who pay homage to and worship the symbol throughout Asia is vastly greater than the small band of Euros who’s claiming that because they stole it and because they fucked it up, it’s now their’s, vide their quaint commercial saying you broke it it’s your’s
So- those Asians should cease to worship, or else?
Typical colonialists – never happier but when they’re fighting over their spoils, or selling back their thefts to those they stole from
Thinking like this gets you into wars you can’t win
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 9:11 utc | 176
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2022 8:25 utc | 181
I am an idiot – getting my greens mixed up. It is Robert Habeck. the man is not stupid.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 27 2022 9:12 utc | 177
Posted by: RB | Aug 27 2022 9:11 utc | 185
I’ve been to the US too ; not impressed, did not stay long
Though like the Euros they do steal a great deal then pervert for their own use– both of you can not look beyond your narrow world – it’s what allows you to steal
The reality of your wars is better explained by an objective analysis of structural conditions and motives – that you assembled a rag tag of stolen insignia and fancy dress codes to amuse yourselves is nothing but your own decadence manifest
It’s like you lecture Africans on racism or the LGBT whatever – and get laughed at, like the Obama found out when he tiptoed to Nairobi
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 27 2022 9:21 utc | 178
Posted by: Xeen | Aug 26 2022 23:00 utc | 105
I’d love to see the AfD take power in Germany, and Le Pen in France. Only if to see the contorted faces of ideologues like yourself. It would be a fresh start after 70 years of suffocating “Social-Democracy”, which ended up being nothing more than Anglo-Zionist bullshit implemented in Europe. Maybe then Germany can make real peace and build a strategic relationship with Russia
Posted by: james | Aug 26 2022 15:15 utc | 13
I have just started reading the thread, so someone may have mentioned that the Swastika has been a symbol of well-being in Hinduism for 4-5ooo years. I found a link for that that probably explains it, if interested.
https://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/meaning-and-significance-of-swastika-in-hinduism.asp
On a Candian note. Their is a town in Ontario named Swastika which unlike Kitchener (formerly Berlin) refused to change its name in WWII Just because some little guy with a funny mustache was abusing the symbol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika%2C_Ontario
Wikipedia claims:
“During World War II, the provincial government removed the Swastika sign and replaced it with a sign renaming the town “Winston.” The residents removed the Winston sign[6] and replaced it with a Swastika sign with the message “To hell with Hitler, we came up with our name first.”[7]
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 27 2022 9:58 utc | 180
Roger [169]
They may be in your eyes but essentially they are fat and hardly a fighting force. There is more chance of Turks, Russians, and Syrians, and Afghans living in Germany rendering US fat boys harmless than US troops having any effect on 83 million Germans
You forget there are no US soldiers anywhere near former GDR and only in Southern Germany from Wiesbaden down to Bavaria.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 10:07 utc | 181
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2022 7:54 utc | 178
strongly agree, but i’m pessimistic about the US misleadership listening. they are still pushing Russiagate. the Mockingbird media has just gotten stronger and subtler, most people don’t hear any contrary views. and if some NGO or news channel slips up and reports truthfully, like Amnesty or CBS, they are quickly forced to apoligise or retract or both.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 27 2022 10:15 utc | 182
Moses [189]
You overreact. AfD is not a coherent party with an actionable programme. It is more akin to Greens – a protest party flummoxed by responsibility.
Fascism as you call it was predicated on a high birth rate especially male. Germany has no manpower which is why everywhere has ads for recruiting simply everywhere.
German Army recruits women because there are no men and the Bundeswehr is a joke of mis-shapes who cannot carry a uniform properly. This is not the Wehrmacht. It is an alibi army without equipment or meaning and would have been destroyed by Ukraine in Jan 2022 quite quickly.
Stop going into the past which is a museum blinding you to old ghosts wearing new costumes. Hitler pursued traditional German foreign policy Judy like Kaiser Bill and Bismarck but success eluded those after Bismarck
There was nothing special about Nazism other than costumes. Everything they did has been done again since whether Pol Pot or Rwanda or Kosovo or Iraq or Ukraine and Donbas today.
You spend too much time on yesterday to escape responsibility for today
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 10:16 utc | 183
You have to love this sub-heading at Al Jazeera:
“Russia’s military ineptitude, Ukraine’s energetic defence, HIMARS, and now – the focus on the south.”
Al Jazeera: The BBC branch office in Doha.
Posted by: Qwack | Aug 27 2022 10:16 utc | 184
Posted by: Moses | Aug 27 2022 9:43 utc | 189
Yeah, Moron! Your “fresh start” is Auschwitz.
Oy vey, not again!
I think this kind of lazy opinionizing is related to the increasingly tedious swastika discussion: refusal to let go of the past.
It’s why Ukraine is in big trouble, they’re living the US/NATO dream of trying to turn the clock back to the American Empire’s salad days of the 1990’s, and it’s a living nightmare. The neo nazis in Ukraine desperately wanted to refight the 1940’s (should’ve been careful what they wished for).
The West is trapped by its own nostalgia.
Posted by: ZX | Aug 27 2022 10:19 utc | 185
⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (Part 1)
▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
▫️As a result of Allied Forces’ successful actions in Kharkov direction near Vernopol’e and Krasnopol’e, the losses of 30th Mechanized and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of AFU amounted to over 200 servicemen.
▫️Units of 46th Airmobile Brigade of AFU have been defeated near Lozovoye, Kherson Region, after another attempt to stealthily cross the Ingulets River. The enemy suffered losses of over 130 fighters and 10 pieces of military equipment.
💥As a result of operational and tactical aviation strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces against the combat positions of the units of 107th battalion of 63rd Mechanized Brigade of AFU near Kvitnevoye, Nikolaev Region, over 40 per cent of the unit’s personnel have been destroyed.
💥As a result of high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces against 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade’s temporary deployment point, up to 100 nationalists, 3 Grad MLRS combat vehicles and over 10 vehicles and armoured vehicles have been destroyed Dergachi, Kharkov Region.
💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.
▫️7 AFU command posts of 102nd Brigade of Territorial Defence of AFU near Chervonoye in Zaporozhye Region, Kraken nationalist formation near Kharkov have been hit, as well as 37 artillery units, 142 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.
▫️6 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Seversk, Soledar, Kodema in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chervonyi Yar in Nikolaev Region and Novovorontsovka in Kherson Region have been destroyed.
▫️High-precision ground-based weapons near Preobrazhenka, Dniepropetrovsk Region, have destroyed a large ammunition depot belonging to 44th Artillery Brigade of AFU with US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and shells for US-made M777 howitzers.
💥As part of counter-battery warfare, 4 platoons of Grad multiple-launch rocket systems have been suppressed near Paraskoviyivka, Adamovka, Zvanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic and Barmashovo in Nikolaev Region, and 3 platoons of Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems near Konstantinovka, Privol’e of Donetsk People’s Republic and Visunsk in Nikolav Region.
▫️3 platoons of Giatsint-B howitzers have been also suppressed at firing positions near Orekhovo, Vesyoloye and Nikolaevka in Donetsk People’s Republic.
💥Russian Aerospace Forces have shot down 1 Mig-29 aircraft of Ukrainian air force near Malinovka in Donetsk People’s Republic. In addition, 1 Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile launcher have been destroyed near Grigorovka.
💥Russian air defence means have shot down 7 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novogrigorovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Andreevka, Glinskoye, Babenkovo, Khudoyarovo, Borshchovka in Kharkov Region and Berdyansk in Zaporozhye Region.
▫️In addition, 1 Tochka-U ballistic missile near Chernobaivka and 18 shells of US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket system have been intercepted near Naddnepryanskoye, Aleksandrovka, Solnechnoye, Skhidnoye in Kherson Region, as well as near Antonivskyi Bridge.
📊 In total, 274 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,820 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,397 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,348 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,084 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
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⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (Part 2)
❗️Kiev regime continues acts of “nuclear terrorism” at Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
💥Over the past 24 hours, artillery units of the Ukrainian armed forces shelled the station’s territory three times.
💥A total of 17 shells were fired, 4 of which hit the roof of Special Building No 1, where 168 assemblies of US WestingHouse nuclear fuel are stored. 10 more shells exploded 30 metres from the dry storage facility for spent nuclear fuel and 3 more exploded near Special Building No 2, which houses TVEL’s fresh nuclear fuel storage unit and solid radioactive waste storage facility.
▫️Ukrainian artillery shelling of the nuclear power plant was carried out from Marganets area in Dniepropetrovsk Region. In course of counter-battery warfare in the area, 1 American M777 howitzer was discovered and destroyed.
▫️Radiation situation at Zaporozhye NPP remains normal. The technical condition of the nuclear power plant is monitored and maintained by staff technicians.
▫️Russian specialised military formation is guarding the outer perimeter of the station. There are no heavy weapons in the vicinity of the nuclear plant.
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Posted by: Summary | Aug 27 2022 10:26 utc | 187
Roger @106
I agree. Le Pen is like Finns Party in Finland, Sweden Democrats in Sweden, AfD in Germany, etc. They are all controlled opposition. All these actors are just used as vents to release and guide the pressure from the 20% of active population looking for change by keeping them busy hoping that their legitimate concerns would be addressed. In reality, once these guys get into power they either remain in opposition “as other parties refuse to work with them” and once they finally get into power they run even harder the very policies that they were supposed to change. Of course their supporters go angry at this stage. Then these actors get into the next phase where they blame the party head becoming power hungry or something similar and he/she has to be replaced (sent into some nice retirement position in EU commission, or to become ambassador, etc). Then new guy enters to head the party and yet again the same circle repeats by winning another 4 years for the elites to do whatever EU wants them to do. For example, getting the Finns party in Finland from grass-roots 2 seats to major player was a clear execution with the assistance of three letter agencies. Same goes for Sweden Democrats. It was the “new party to offer choice among the old parties”, new politician with “grass-roots” following that was built by the controlled discussion forums, etc. The usual play. So now for example in Finland 10-17% of votes for change has been tunneled past 12 years thru that party and anyone trying to say that: “look you been fooled” is just labeled as “Putins troll”. There is no more democracy in Europe. EU/US elite just plays this game until EU has overtaken all sovereign powers from nation states, and then its Gulak-time.
Posted by: Tigger | Aug 27 2022 10:31 utc | 188
… There is a 2019 Ukrainian television interview with Oleksiy Arestovych that is most fascinating of all. He lays out the entire Ukrainian strategy of war with Russia. It truly is mind-boggling and suggests a combination of naivete, inexperience, imagination, blind faith and chronic drug use. …
YouTube
Posted by: Annette | Aug 27 2022 4:03 utc | 157
A great find, thank you. Arestovych, an infantile fantasist, but also someone who, RF alleges, commissioned the production of videos showing the actual torture and murder of captured Russian soldiers. A fitting representative of Ukraine’s CIA-backed regime.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2022 10:31 utc | 189
Telegram @Sputnik:
The head of the Moldovan opposition party>/b> “Shor” is ready to go to Moscow for gas.
Ilan Shor, in his congratulation on the occasion of Moldova’s Independence Day, directly appealed to the government of the Russian Federation and the leadership of Gazprom with a request to “warm our homes.”
The politician wants to negotiate gas supplies on terms that “will not destroy our independence, humiliate the citizens of our country and cripple our economy.”
“How independent can a country be, whose leadership is given money from abroad for so-called cheap democracy?” he asked rhetorically to fellow citizens.
Bulgaria
Crisis team: Bulgaria wants to buy natural gas from Gazprom again
23 Aug
Bulgaria’s interim government wants to buy natural gas from Russian state-owned Gazprom because of the gas shortage in the EU country.
“Obviously, we will have to hold negotiations with Gazprom,” Energy Minister Rossen Hristov said after a meeting of an energy crisis team on Monday. Sofia also wants to resume negotiations with Azerbaijan on gas supplies, he said.
§§§Flashback:
Why Bulgaria and Poland can withstand Russia cutting off their gas supply. April 28, 2022
https://theconversation.com/why-bulgaria-and-poland-can-withstand-russia-cutting-off-their-gas-supply-182068
> The immediate response from Poland has been that it can “manage” without Russian gas, with storage levels high and demand decreasing as the weather gets warmer.
Bulgaria meanwhile, has accused Gazprom of a serious breach of contract, and is in talks with EU allies about maintaining supplies.
> Along with Poland, Germany and the rest of the EU, Bulgaria will also look to increase its reliance on Norway, the Middle East and north Africa. And there will be calls across the EU to speed up a switch to renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power.
All of these moves will do serious harm to Russia’s economy.
So why is it turning off the taps? And why is it targeting these two countries in particular?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 11:05 utc | 190
Posted by: ZX | Aug 27 2022 10:19 utc | 195
What you call nostalgia and refusal to let go the past is in reality historical consciousness. Your attitude towards history implies political amnesia.
For a profound analysis of the current european extreme right that puts it in relation to historical fascism read the italian historian Enzo Traverso “I nuovi sonnambuli di fronte al postfascismo”. Machine translate yourself from Italian, please!
http://www.rifondazione.it/primapagina/?p=38003
Posted by: Moses | Aug 27 2022 11:18 utc | 192
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💥A total of 17 shells were fired, 4 of which hit the roof of Special Building No 1, where 168 assemblies of US WestingHouse nuclear fuel are stored. 10 more shells exploded 30 metres from the dry storage facility for spent nuclear fuel and 3 more exploded near Special Building No 2, which houses TVEL’s fresh nuclear fuel storage unit and solid radioactive waste storage facility.
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Posted by: Summary | Aug 27 2022 10:26 utc | 197
PavewayIV might be interested in this. If the composition of these WestingHouse fuel assemblies in any way supports the hypothesis of a clandestine nuclear weapons program, that could be a motive to target them.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2022 11:26 utc | 193
anon2020 | Aug 27 2022 10:31 utc | 199
Why not eliminate Arestoboy then? It’s not like they’ll ever going to bring any of them to trial. The second the puppets feel danger they’ll be far away, paraded on BBC and CNN as heroes. I’m not convinced Zely is in Ukr anymore. I think he comes for the photoshoots with Duda or Bojo, then leaves with them.
Maybe they’ll start a political party in one of the other puppet countries using Ukr refugees as voters. It’ll be nice to have Arestoboy president of a Baltic country or Zely in Finland. They have “defeated” the Russian army, right? so even locals will vote for them, to protect them from bad Russians.
Posted by: rk | Aug 27 2022 11:27 utc | 194
Posted by: Clausewitz | Aug 27 2022 1:38 utc | 138
No, the United States is not all powerful, but it is powerful enough.
Powerful enough to dominate without question half a hemisphere.
The US attempted but failed to install Juan Guaidó as president of Venezuela. On July 7 2022 Argentina received China’s formal support to join the BRICS group comprising Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, a bloc seen as a powerful emerging-market alternative to the West.
SOURCE:
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-says-has-chinas-support-join-brics-group-2022-07-07/
Argentine and Brazil both participate in “a powerful emerging-market alternative to the West.” Notably Evo Morales, President of Bolivia, “spoke out against the US, blaming them for recent coup attempts in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, as well as asking them to stay out of their foreign affairs.”
SOURCE:
https://ontheroadtofindout.com/2010/12/usa-vs-morales-bolivia-and-america-continue-to-disagree-on-matters-of-foreign-relations-and-coca-growth/
Morales led a popular socialist government (re-elected in 2020) which established a positive relationship with Iran. The foregoing suggests the US does not “dominate” the hemisphere despite its demonstrated desire to do so.
Powerful enough to project conventional power across the entire globe.
Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, all suggest there exists a lacunae in American power projection. The US seeks the defeat of the rebels in Yemen. “According to the Yemen Data Project, the bombing campaign has killed or injured an estimated 19,196 civilians as of March 2022. The United States has provided intelligence and logistical support for the Saudi-led campaign.”
SOURCES:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200224163603/https://www.wsj.com/articles/yemens-houthi-militants-take-al-anad-air-base-1427275251?mod=e2tw
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/airstrike-by-saudi-led-coalition-said-to-hit-yemeni-hospital-killing-7-including-4-children/2019/03/27/7103b829-eda9-462a-aec1-be304044ac5e_story.html
The US faced near defeat in its invasion of Grenada. The reports here on MoA by b and members of the bar document US military support for the Z regime. The consensus of the bar is that despite overwhelming US support the defeat of the Z regime is the most likely outcome.
Powerful enough to incinerate any foe with little risk to itself, so long as it avoids confronting the few other great powers with that same power.
This statement is a tautology. It is also incorrect. The US has spent vast amounts of treasure initiating and supporting foreign conflict while its infrastructure rots and a significant proportion of its citizens live in third world conditions. Increasing domestic social instability suggests the US has exposed itself to significant risk by its failure to address domestic issues. In 2020 the US did suffer “incineration” resulting in billions of losses.
SOURCE:
https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
And until this century, powerful enough to psychologically project its will onto others with minimal, or at least only moderate, obstacles.
The US is unequalled in its ability to create and project false consciousness. It is false consciousness which results in claims such as those made by you. These claims are easily countered by any presentation of the facts. As for retaining any semblance of “power” it is noted that in Ukraine “a small band numbering initially 52 separatist fighters crossed over from Russia into the Ukraine in April 2014 and ‘liberated’ Slavyansk, population 100,000 from its Ukrainian administration, virtually without firing a shot, by acts of shear (sic) daring.”
SOURCE:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/08/26/book-review-alexander-zhuchkovsky-85-days-in-slavyansk/
The fact a coup initiated and managed by the global hegemon was defeated by “acts of sheer daring” implies the will of 329 million people was rendered impotent by 52 persons. Find another 52 persons and it should be possible to change the entire world.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 27 2022 11:27 utc | 195
anon2020 | Aug 27 2022 10:31 utc | 199
Torture of Russian troops.
Just now, Found this posted to a thread on the official Ukraine Defence account.
https://twitter.com/jolud13/status/1563197706150916104
No clue where or when incident occurred.
Twitter hasn’t deleted the account. Yet, say something *toxic and hateful*, such as = “a woman has a vagina”, and it’s insta ban 4 U.
I’m not sure this is viable:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1561775821257379840?cxt=HHwWgMC4zba1xawrAAAA
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2022 11:30 utc | 196
@106 Roger
Can’t say much about the situation in France, though I suspect the elections are massively manipulated. France is the country of origin of the Freemasons after all.
I’m an AfD member. That AfD is equated with Nazis is laughable and just primitive propaganda. I have zero interest in Nazism. The AfD has no chance. It is being shunned in all fora, even as official opposition in the previous legislature. The media are overtly hostile, especially state media. And the Verfassungsschutz, some kind of outfit which is supposed to protect the non-existing constitution (verfassung), seeks bogus excuses to prosecute and shut down the AfD. I suspect that the US will make sure AfD never gets anywhere near the chancellory. The last thing they want is a party which seeks peace with Russia.
AfD is mostly political positions of the CDU about 20 years ago. Thats why they cannot be Nazi, since otherwise CDU 20 years ago would have been Nazi.
Posted by: Xeen | Aug 27 2022 11:56 utc | 197
Well if the war causes toilet paper shortages, there is always the Sears catalogue. No catalogues, you can always use corncobs, red for the dirty job and white to check you got it all.
Old southern USA saying.
Posted by: morongobill | Aug 27 2022 12:01 utc | 198
You spend too much time on yesterday to escape responsibility for today
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 27 2022 10:16 utc | 193
Great line!
“But the Global South should never lose sight of the ‘Empire business.’ That industry excels in producing chaos and plunder, always supported by extortion, bribery of local elites, and assassinations on the cheap. Every trick in the Divide and Rule book should be expected at any moment. Never underestimate a bitter, wounded, deeply humiliated, declining Empire.” – Pepe Escobar on August 24, but timeless.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 27 2022 12:12 utc | 200