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August 23, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-138

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Note: Stick to the topic or get banned.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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Pyper | Aug 24 2022 0:56 utc | 201

Perhaps I will be wrong, perhaps I will be right, but I have found Putin and Lavrov mean what they say.
Lavrov said that if us weapons started hitting Russian territory, Russia would move those weapons out of range by taking more territory.
Ukies are proving themselves a nuisance by hitting the bridges near Kherson so they will be moved out of range. Perhaps I will be proved wrong on Russian military territorial ambitions.

If and when that time arises ... Apparently the best way to boil a crow is throw in a rock and when the rock is soft, throw out the crow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 1:10 utc | 201

I am reading that independence day in Ukraine may not work out the way Z wanted...what a shame.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 23 2022 16:54 utc | 74

well, today I read
Ukraine Gate | For friends of Ukraine: Zelenskyy and Duda opened the Alley of Courage in Kyiv, 23 Aug

The alley was laid on the occasion of the 31st anniversary of Ukraine's independence. As noted, the place was not chosen by chance. It was on the Constitution Square opposite the Verkhovna Rada that modern independent Ukraine was born.
[...]
Andrzej Duda played a particularly important role in strengthening Ukraine's defense capabilities in the early days of a full-scale Russian invasion. He arrived in Ukraine, called Russia's actions an unprecedented violation of international law and stressed that by doing so it excludes itself from the international community.
which strongly suggests that Zelensk*'s star is rising LOL!
MUIR: So you will stay to the end, no matter what that means?
ZELENSKYY: Well, I would like the end to be like in the Hollywood movies, the happy end for my country.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 24 2022 1:14 utc | 202

I don't think the Russians like killing sitting ducks, and I can understand that only too well. Unarmed Ukrainians who are probably also Russian speaking peasants. There are no figures released about POW's, as in the last swop the Ukies sent back ones that were tortured or castrated. They may not have many others to exchnage.

The Russian telegram channels are full of videos taken for the purpose of documenting the surrender of Ukie forces.

Surrender is a very risky thing. All participants are keyed up, fearing death at the hands of their opposites, unsure of the veracity of their opposites. In many cases, where radios were used to negotiate safe routes, higher command called in forces/ arty to destroy the surrendering force. In at least one case, Sparta had to forcibly pull the prisoners back into a dugout to get them out of incoming artillery rounds, which was documented in the posted video.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 24 2022 1:15 utc | 203

reponding to sln2002 | Aug 24 2022 1:06 utc | 202

More show business. The IAEA won't come unless their security is guaranteed. Ukraine has already said it can't guarantee their safety. Do the math.

Posted by: Novo Duck | Aug 24 2022 1:16 utc | 204

Christopher Black on Kiev and NATO's latest victim:

"..Natalya Vovk,.. fled immediately after the murder of Dugina, to Estonia which they entered with Ukrainian licence plates; no doubt arranged with Estonia in advance, for which they will pay a price. The evidence against her and therefore Kiev and NATO involvement seems irrefutable.

"This murder reveals several things; firstly it confirms the NAZI orientation and immorality of the Kiev regime, secondly it confirms that Kiev and NATO are so desperate with the on-going defeats of the Kiev military forces, that they have chosen the path of cowardice and the murder of anyone who speaks out against them, about which we should not be surprised since they have been murdering people in Ukraine since the NATO arranged coup in Ukraine in 2014, and on a mass scale. Finally, it confirms, yet once again, the hypocrisy of the combined West, who pretended to be angels of justice and vengeance when they alleged Russia attempted to murder the Skripals in the UK for instance, or Navalny in Russia, when it is clear Navalny was not poisoned at all and when it is also clear the British claims about the Skripals are equally fake. Yet they used those claims as a pretext to conduct economic war on Russia and to generate a tsunami of anti-Russian hate propaganda in all the western media with all sorts of crocodile tears and fake posturing about morality and the law.

"And where are the Skripals anyway? Are they dead or alive? It is likely they are dead, murdered by a UK and US death squad, as happened to Dr. Richard Kelly, in 2003, when he testified to a UK Parliamentary Committee about his role in a news report that the US and UK had made false claims of chemical weapons held by Iraq. He was murdered shortly afterwards and the British government claimed it was a “suicide.” Few believe it....

"...Yet, what is the response in the West to the murder, by an agent of the West, of a Russian citizen, in Russia? No western government has yet denounced the crime, indicating their support and complicity in the murder and the reports in the western media are, more or less, justifying the murder by claiming, as if this can justify murder, that Alexander Dugin is some important advisor to President Putin. Whether he is or is not, I am not in a place to say, and it is irrelevant in any case. But that is their line, making the media also complicity in this murder. This is their morality; it is ok to murder friends of President Putin, even alleged friends. It is ok to murder Russians. And, of course, we have heard the calls in western capitals for the head of President Putin himself....

"...The prime cause of the war in Ukraine, the war against Russia is the decline of the combined West, economically, spiritually, culturally, a decline that is accelerating for all to see. The West I once knew, or thought I knew is dead, the west of the Enlightenment, of Reason, of Morality, a decline others have spoken about since the late 19th century, as observers of society and philosophers told us over and over what was happening to the lives of ordinary people which became dominated by the immorality of elites who care nothing for them, who control the state, and see their citizens only as a means to make money for themselves.

"We see in the war in Ukraine the expression of the Anglo-American-German political purpose: the desire to force Russia to submit to their will. They failed in World War I, which bankrupted Britain and most of Europe, and led the to the rise of fascism. The attempt failed again in World War II with catastrophic consequences for the world. Their third attempt to destroy Russia will also fail with similar consequences if they persist.

"The Russian state that rose from dark days of the 1990’s has gathered its strength and resolve once again and refuses to submit to any one’s diktats. With China, and its many other allies, all of whom have been the victims of western colonialism and brutality from the 19th century through to the present, Russia offers the world a return to international law and integrity, to the sovereignty of nations, respect for their cultures, for their own forms of democracy, an alternative to control by western global capital.

"The western colonial order is finally is being smashed and smashed it must be if we want the murders and chaos to stop. For the assassin’s bomb not only killed Darya Dugina, it also heralded the death of the West."
https://journal-neo.org/2022/08/23/an-assassin-s-bomb-and-the-death-of-the-west/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 24 2022 1:16 utc | 205

@ htyul | Aug 24 2022 0:23 utc | 195

thanks for the link.. i used the translate feature.. it is pretty straight forward and a fairly clear statement - again something that would never show up in the western msm... they can't let out anything truthful like this... it would disturb the western msm audience sensitilities, especially at the thought that the ukee nazis who they are sending those weapons to, are using them for these types of actions... again - gil scott heron - the revolution will not be televised...

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2022 1:18 utc | 206

@Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 1:10 utc | 204

I don't undnerstand the crow idiom, but it sounds like one of those phrases that is brilliant in the original language but loses some meaning in the translation . . .

I think Putin and Lavrov are humble enough to say what is needed to be said at the moment it is said clever enough to do what is needed to be done at the moment it is done.

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:20 utc | 207

htyul@195
Thanks for the source. Very good stuff and, as you point out, biased towards humanity. That's OK with me.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 24 2022 1:26 utc | 208

Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:20 utc | 210
b complained about the many small bones when he had to eat crow. In Australia a saying I heard often when I was young that the best way to cook a crow was to put a stone in with it and when the stone is soft, throw out the crow and eat the stone. Eating crow means admitting you are wrong.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 1:29 utc | 209

As far as the grid connect of the plant Russia is considering placing the plant into cold storage. I hope they do so and quick. Starting cooling those dam things down now. From what I read they are not considering moving the storage. Do not have time to dig up the link on that one, its been a long day.

Extracting the spent fuel from the storage ponds is a slow and ponderous task, one easily interdicted by incoming artillery rounds, which would spread the poisonous stuff far and wide.

So, decision was made to leave fuel where it is, and protect the plant as best as possible.

Also, the diplomatic front is being used to whatever effect possible, to stop the shelling.

I heard that there is conclusive evidence of Ukie attempts to divert fuel into bomb making, and the Russians want to show this to IAEA reps, which is why the inspection is being slo moed.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 24 2022 1:30 utc | 210

Well, I would like the end to be like in the Hollywood movies, the happy end for my country.
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 24 2022 1:14 utc | 205

A Colombian nowfall? US B52's devastating them with cia cocaine bombs?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 1:34 utc | 211

"...The prime cause of the war in Ukraine, the war against Russia is the decline of the combined West, economically, spiritually, culturally, a decline that is accelerating for all to see. The West I once knew, or thought I knew is dead, the west of the Enlightenment, of Reason, of Morality, a decline others have spoken about since the late 19th century, as observers of society and philosophers told us over and over what was happening to the lives of ordinary people which became dominated by the immorality of elites who care nothing for them, who control the state, and see their citizens only as a means to make money for themselves.

I wish this were so. Unfortunately, the prime cause of the SMO is the desire/need by NATO to take control of Russia's resources, because their's are running out. This is coupled with a visceral hatred of all things Russian, and the Russian people by those in control of NATO policy, specifically Nuland, Blinken, etal.

The plan was a de-capitation strike against the DonBas, followed up by invasion of Crimea, and of southern Russia all the way to the volga. Basically, Barbarossa II.

The Russians pre-empted this plan, launched the SMO, which is basically Bagration II.

Events will prove my prediction when this started that the Russians are going to Berlin. Not because that was their original plan, rather because a key goal is securing their western front against invasion, and the only way that will happen is via destruction of NATO.

NATO can be destroyed economically. The Russians are basically destroying NATO's conventional weapons stocks now at the DonBas front line. NATO is making the same mistake Hitler made, which is holding territory at all cost. 80 years ago the Germans broke their back on the Russian anvil, and today NATO is doing the same.

As for my moniker "INDY" ... a beautiful woman gave it to me during an expedition to the Everglades... It stuck... I'm the field scientist/oceanographer who spent 30 years muscling a sailing research ship to the far corners of the world for the purpose of documenting the state of coral reefs.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 24 2022 1:41 utc | 212

@Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 1:29 utc | 212

I am trying to understand the logic of this idiom. Does this mean because a stone will never soften when cooked, it is best to never to admit one is wrong? Or is there some other meaning that I am failing to grasp?

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:42 utc | 213

@ Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:42 utc | 216

sounds like some folks never admit when they are wrong... i am reminded of a few local trolls, lol... that is the message from that quote from peter as i take it..

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2022 1:44 utc | 214

It's called a SMO to troll the US and Nato.
There is a UN meeting on utube where everybody is expressing outrage because of "the unprovoked " attack on Ukraine. When it gets to the russian minister he looks left and right snaps his papers and starts reading "the SMO against the Kiev regime is going to plan, 1047 towns have been liberated..."
Lol it was an absolute troll job, Russia was just doing what the west does when it saves people.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 24 2022 1:46 utc | 215

That is a very clever way of expression. Much more polite as well.

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:55 utc | 216

So, no more talk of negotiations since those manipulating Z won't allow any once tribunals begin. I'd say that makes things easier for Russia. It will no longer need to preserve any of the Ukie puppets as contact points for negotiations since none will occur. That frees up Kiev as a decision point target.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2022 0:00 utc | 192

I don't believe Kiev can be regarded as an agreement-capable entity as it is both because it lacks good will and authenticity, and also because on principle RF will only negotiate with sovereign states, not vassals.

If on top of that things come up in tribunals implicating Z, that will just be more of the same.

Unless and until Ukraine replaces Z with a bona fide regime, Russia will keep grinding Ukraine down until there is nothing left of the state at all in which case negotiations will have become moot.

In any case, I don't believe RF will be negotiation with Z under any circumstances and most likely Z already knows it. Indeed, that might partly explain his bizarre comment that 'if the tribunals start it will result in Russia not negotiating with us' (my paraphrase). Not his place to say that, but essentially correct. RF is not going to negotiate with a war criminal.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 1:59 utc | 217

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:42 utc | 216

Well we Aussies (actually Qlders) use the same story to discuss eating bush turkeys, a large, mostly ground bird that is very stupid. (one of 3 mound building species). Easy to catch they should make good eating but never are, because they are considered tough. They are actually protected - irritating birds I am often tempted to shut in my oven, especially when entering uninvited into my kitchen.

But for whatever reason, eating crow means the same as eating humble pie ie admitting mistake.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 2:00 utc | 218

Having just discovered a fantastic wind map, I notice that turkey would be really, really, really worried about any attack of the Zaporizhia NP. Today the wind from the site goes directly over Istanbul. Indeed it seems to concentrate there.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 2:03 utc | 219

some perhaps modest predictions

- Russia will declare the Ukraine a terrorist state, and perhaps even labeling all those states supplying armaments as collaborators or complicit in all the war crimes of the Ukrainian neo-fascist state.
- Russia will increase dramatically its present stage 3 attacks on Zaporozhie, Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov. As an example, critical infrastructure has been hit by RAF in Zaporozhie today.

- prices of electricity, gas, food and consumer goods will continue to soar in the European vassal states. Expect mass protests and 'social unrest' in many of these vassal states by early winter; especially important would be those in Germany, France and the UK. Scholz will be given his packing orders by the Economic Elites; Macron and the warmongering Truss will hang on longer. Many dominoes will fall in western and eastern Europe.

- there will be a military coup in Kiev. Zelensky will either flee or be killed.
- the Ukrainian military, realists that they are (at the top), will quickly open back channels to Russia and there will be negotiations started, 'conceding' much of Ukraine's territory. They will also begin eliminating (or throwing out) many of the Nato-US-UK advisors and the CIA/MI6 handlers. Kiev will be spared massive destruction of all its Elites and a good bit of its infrastructure.


Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2022 2:06 utc | 220

Here is the thoroughly professional and objective Associated Press on Ukraine casualty figures:

"a general said..."
"U.S. military officials estimated"

The AP reported two true facts: a general said one thing, U.S. military officials estimated another thing.

When a honest journalist who is afraid of losing their job wants to report something as bullshit because there is no evidence they report it as hearsay from one of the opposing sides.

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 24 2022 2:10 utc | 221

The internet says the idiom stems from the American 1812 war with England. And Zelensky says he will retake Crimea. I doubt there is much truth behind either.

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 2:13 utc | 222

Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:42 utc | 216

I replied earlier but perhaps b has zapped me. If you/I have fucked up and have to eat crow, you put a crow in with a pot of water and when the stone is soft, throw out the stone and eat the rock.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:16 utc | 223

«Rogov stressed that stopping the operation of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant would be a "bad scenario" for everyone. But the territories controlled by Kiev would "plunge into absolute darkness" [...] Question :
Why don't the Russians do it?»

They are doing it: the plan is to reroute the output to the Donbas/Novorossya/Crimea grid. But we are talking of a huge amount of work, because the output is colossal. Anyhow IIRC 4 of the six reactors are already in standby mode.

That eventually, before the winter, the 6 reactors will no longer be supplying the Ukraine but Novorossya is the most likely reason why the ukrainians are bombing the plant area:

* The have demanded that an "international" (NATO) peacekeeping force take over the plant, to stop the bombing from Ukraine, and turn its control back to the ukrainian government. Their fantasy is that they can use "international" (NATO) troops to fight a a proxy battle for them; just like when they demand that the NATO air forces fight the RF air force for them ("no fly zone").

* If they cannot make "international" (NATO) troops take over the plant and return it to them they seem to hope to damage it enough that it won't be able to supply the Donbas and Crimea, and ideally contaminate both areas.

Most of the ukrainian energy supplies used to come from the RF, and obviously that stopped.

The small RF forces involved in the "Special Military Operation" are just doing a limited spring/summer campaign to secure Novorossya and knock out ukrainian military logistics in preparation for winter.

"Winter is coming".

It will be sad to see 10-20 million ukrainians walking in long columns through the snow to emigrate to EU countries, but that's the situation their governments have put them in by starting the war of aggression and ethnic cleansing against the Donbas in 2014.

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 24 2022 2:25 utc | 224

watcher | Aug 24 2022 2:00 utc | 221

Cookem right with a few Ukraine spices and they are good eating. Perhaps stick a Ukraine nazi or two in the oven for side dish. These are Ukraine birds we are talking about? Talking about Ukraine birds, I tried looking up some Odessa videos before the SMO and all that come up on youtube was young pretty women looking for a foreign husband. Lucky my wife didn't see that. Nagging is bad enough now. Yep full of Ukraine content apart from how to cook an Australian Bustard.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:26 utc | 225

@Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:16 utc | 226

I will just admit I do not understand the the idiom, how to throw out a stone and eat a rock or count the bones of a bird. I do sense, however, that the last 72 hours have resulted in a reocgnizable increase in Ukrainian panic. It is tempting to relate it to recent events.

Posted by: Pyper | Aug 24 2022 2:27 utc | 226

@Pyper #229, it's a joke and not a bad one. The absurdity is what makes it funny - of course the rock will never soften and become edible, the point is that if you have to eat crow, follow an impossible recipe. Looks like it's comedy night after all, and one of Peter's finally landed

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 24 2022 2:32 utc | 227

Pyper | Aug 24 2022 2:27 utc | 229

Yep. There is something going on.

On the cooking crow and putting in a stone, I guess I'm not much good at explaining things. Hopefully other Aussies here can give a better description.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:37 utc | 228

I do not think these will fare well against a sophisticated anti-aircraft system. I believe these were used after air superiority was achieved and anti aircraft radars and missiles were destroyed. Interesting none the less...
The U.S. secretly trains Ukrainian pilots on A-10 attack aircraft - TIME

Not sure how much is reality or how much is fiction on that site.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 24 2022 2:41 utc | 229

Pyper | Aug 24 2022 2:27 utc | 229

Rereading my earlier post, I see my typos would have messed anyone up. When the (obligatory) Ukraine rock is soft, you through out the crow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:42 utc | 230

Personally I’d be tempted to use pasta instead.

Posted by: Featherless | Aug 24 2022 2:44 utc | 231


Novo Duck | Aug 24 2022 2:43 utc | 233

reports of explosions all over - more activity from RF in multiple places than I have ever noted...

https://t.me/s/intelslava

Posted by: crone | Aug 24 2022 2:48 utc | 232


Novo Duck | Aug 24 2022 2:43 utc | 233

reports of explosions all over - more activity from RF in multiple places than I have ever noted...

https://t.me/s/intelslava

Posted by: crone | Aug 24 2022 2:48 utc | 233

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 24 2022 1:41 utc | 215

Events will prove my prediction when this started that the Russians are going to Berlin. Not because that was their original plan, rather because a key goal is securing their western front against invasion, and the only way that will happen is via destruction of NATO. NATO can be destroyed economically.

A bold prediction. Although I see the logic and agree that Russia has the stones and heft to pursue such a course, I think your last sentence is more to the point. If NATO countries enter depression mode along with such severe supply chain issues that they cannot 'war economy' their way out of it, they will buckle and break, especially given how ripe so many are for once-in-a-century-or-two internal turmoil.

Conversely, if RF goes to Berlin and the NATO countries are NOT economically devastated, am not sure what that will accomplish in the long run since resistance will continue and they will have to continue on to Bonn, Koln, Vien, Paris, London and so forth.

So what seems likely is that RF will keep grinding away any military opposition whilst trying to minimize civilian casualties and infrastructure damage then move forward when resistance breaks until further resistance is met and further grinding down ensues. They will keep doing this as long as resistance is offered until at some point Ukraine or Poland or Germany or Estonia or whomever will sue for unconditional surrender. RF will only consider negotiating terms with truly sovereign states who have cut any dependence or other ties to the Empire of Lies and can thus be candidates for 'agreement capable' designation.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As for my moniker "INDY" ... a beautiful woman gave it to me during an expedition to the Everglades... It stuck... I'm the field scientist/oceanographer who spent 30 years muscling a sailing research ship to the far corners of the world for the purpose of documenting the state of coral reefs.

INDY

Thanks for that explanation. Cool....

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 2:50 utc | 234

crone | Aug 24 2022 2:48 utc | 236

It is the changing of an era. From anglo centric to Asia centric. There is bound to be some disruptions and noises.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 2:52 utc | 235

Novo Duck @ 233

Odesa as well. Might not be artillery.

Posted by: Garbechev | Aug 24 2022 2:53 utc | 236

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2022 2:06 utc | 223


Bold, detailed and plausible predictions. We shall soon see how good they are... thank you.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 2:59 utc | 237

As I have said before, I think Russia changes its strategy, depending on the behaviour of the opponents.

At first they sought a diplomatic resolve. when that failed they went to the SMO

The initial objectives of the SMO were to secure Crimea - (water and services and borders), protect the two breakaways, by securing a peace deal, defang to Ukrainian airforce, prevent nuclear and/or biological attack by seizing/checking dangerous facilities, force Kiev to the negotiating table to keep them out of NATO and stop attacking the breakaways, get a more co-operative Ukrainian government. When Z proved unwilling or unable to negotiate then the goals of the SMO expanded.

The new goals were I think: Full independence of the two breakaways - the whole of the oblasts, not just the bits already independent, Secure and integrate with Russia both Kherson and Zaporizhia, exhaust Ukraine, weary NATO and still try to get some sort of a peace deal. Taking on Guernica's point earlier, the goals of this second phase of the SMO were still within the legal rules as set out by the UN in the Serbian crisis. Now despite having achieved almost all of the objectives, the last ie a peace deal seems impossible. Moreover the ukrainians have crossed a number of red lines- on multiple occassions. The threat to the nuclear facility and the internal assassinations are the last straw. a new phase i think is about to begin.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 3:21 utc | 238

Scorpion@237

So what seems likely is that RF will keep grinding away any military opposition whilst trying to minimize civilian casualties and infrastructure damage then move forward when resistance breaks until further resistance is met and further grinding down ensues. They will keep doing this as long as resistance is offered until at some point Ukraine or Poland or Germany or Estonia or whomever will sue for unconditional surrender. RF will only consider negotiating terms with truly sovereign states who have cut any dependence or other ties to the Empire of Lies and can thus be candidates for 'agreement capable' designation.

This is the consensus of the U.S. military establishment up to and including Suvalsk in the north, Galacia in the center and Ukrainian Bessarablia in the south, after which they will tread more much carefully.

Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:21 utc | 239

I refer to Ukrainian Galacia, not Polish Galicia of course.

Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:27 utc | 240

watcher | Aug 24 2022 3:21 utc | 241

Russia's spoken goals at the start of the operation was Donbas, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. Unspoken were the Nuclear and Bio targets.

As you say, Russia can certainly change depending on the behavior of opponents. As Putin said 'you aint seen nothing yet'.
Western warriors say the shenanigans in Ukraine is high intensity warfare. 10% of Russia's military power is high intensity warfare?

Seems like Russia is holding back until UK and the bumbling US comes into the game. Then we will see high intensity warfare.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 3:36 utc | 241

News You Can Truss

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, a top contender for the position of the next UK prime minister and Conservative Party leader, said on Tuesday that she was ready to launch nuclear missiles should the necessity arise.

"I think it’s an important duty of the prime minister and I’m ready to do that," Truss told a meeting of Conservative Party members in Birmingham when asked how she feels about pressing "the button" and unleashing "global annihilation" if necessary.
SOURCE:
https://sputniknews.com/20220823/truss-says-ready-to-launch-nuclear-missiles-if-necessary-1099920554.html

UK inflation forecast to exceed 10% and Truss focuses on her duty to unleash "global annihilation."

I am sure once Truss hears the the news the Russian Armed Forces have occupied Rostov a lot of buttons will get pushed.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 24 2022 3:43 utc | 242

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 3:36 utc | 244

Fully agree Peter. Also Russia sensibly is keeping it top end stuff in reserve, on the possibility/probability that the war will morph into a full on battle with NATA and the EU. My gut feeling (based on not much I admit) is that the danger to Russia is in the North, around St Petersberg. Finland and the rest of Scandinavia, the tree Baltics plus the UK and maybe Poland and the Netherlands, with the USA taking a back seat as usual, but driving the agenda.

Somehow I do not see the middle and south of Europe joining in so enthusiastically. Turkey would be insane to actively get involved, given its location and pretty much the same for Greece.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 3:46 utc | 243

@Peter, 244

A sustained buildup in Germany and then Poland is required before substantial US invovlment. Both would signal war and both would likely be met with an immediate Russian military response, the former against the Baltics and the latter against Poland. All of this was gamed out before 2014, which is why it is so surprising to see it unfold - the US never came out on top in the simulations and more than half of them resulted in nuclear exchanges.

Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:47 utc | 244

FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:47 utc | 247

US regards itself as an air and sea power. Russia has always been a land power but now quite likely moved into the realm of an air and sea power. Massive surface to air defence.

Nouveau rich US, like a toddler in a tantrum. With its woke military... Uk with aspirations to glory...If you still have teeth, stock up on popcorn.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 4:04 utc | 245

This is the consensus of the U.S. military establishment up to and including Suvalsk in the north, Galacia in the center and Ukrainian Bessarablia in the south, after which they will tread more much carefully.
Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:21 utc | 242

Well, that's interesting! Sounds like there is an actual, sane US military still operating apart from the shills they trot out in the media.

But also: you are saying that, unlike the good Dr. Oprisko you don't think RF is going to want to go campaigning farther afield than Ukraine proper, i.e. no Brandenburg Gate photo ops...

Personally I've always doubted they would want to go into Ukrainian Galicia which will be a hotbed of endless resistance with no possibility of capitulation without outright genocide which is not Putinian RF style. That said, if NATO keeps supplying material, intel and specialists then RF will respond, though at some point the next significant escalation might not be on land but in sky and cyber such as satellites, AWACS, communications and cyber even if they aren't in Ukraine proper.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 4:09 utc | 246

@Peter AU1, 248

I'm giving you facts and you're spewing juvenile shit. Night mate.

Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 4:10 utc | 247

The slow escalation continues as Russia slowly destroys the fortified defense lines. The US/UK are determined to drag this out for a long time and have the ability and resources to do this.

It seems to me that Europe must be the ones to end this, because it is they that will bear the brunt of the widening chaos, refugees, economic collapse and political destabilization.

Unless China opens a second front in the east over Taiwan, Russia cannot forcefully take Ukraine.

The US/UK would rather Ukraine be destroyed than allow a Russian win.

This does not bode well for anyone - this is being played out as a zero-sum game with many potential losers - all of which would be beneficial to the US/UK.

Europe is the only one that can step in and stop this before it is too late. They need to stop cooperating with the US/UK plan for their own demise and make peace with Russia.

Posted by: James Cook | Aug 24 2022 4:11 utc | 248

FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 4:10 utc | 250
nighty night. Use your so called facts as a pillow. Don't mind the rocks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 4:24 utc | 249

FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 4:10 utc | 250

I took another look at what you replied to.

There are long time posters here, I get to understand their character and even if I don't agree at times I come top respect them. Lumps of shit like you pop up often like a toilet that has'nt flushed properly.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 4:32 utc | 250

Posted by: FmrCpt | Aug 24 2022 3:47 utc | 247

Not sure what the hostility is about.

I am not sure I agree with you about Germany and Poland build up. That might have made sense when Belarus was an easy target, but surely the Russian soft underbelly is in the North via the Baltic states and scandinavia.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 4:40 utc | 251

karlof1 | Aug 23 2022 21:30 utc | 143

Many thanks for posting reports such as this one which give insight into the essential changes developed in Russia which will then be of wide use to other countries

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 24 2022 5:06 utc | 252

Peter AU1 #226

Pyper | Aug 24 2022 1:42 utc | 216

I replied earlier but perhaps b has zapped me. If you/I have fucked up and have to eat crow, you put a crow in with a pot of water and when the stone is soft, throw out the stone and eat the rock.

Comrade, read that last line again.... :))

To clarify for Pyper: eating crow is unpalatable as is having to swallow unpalatable words spake in error.

However in the (past) real world when crows were gorging on birds eggs that they have gobbled from non crow nests, they would be fat and perhaps tasty BUT first catch a crow!

Otherwise crow is not a tender meat. If pressed I would make stock and using a modicum of fish sauce and ginger and after maybe 2 hours or so I would filter out the liquid and attempt a clear soup with noodles. I would feed the solids to the chooks who, being descendant from dinosaurs would likely tidy it all up and yield an egg or two in the following days.

I have no recipe for koala.
I am reliably informed that echidna is by far the finest sweetest meat going.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 5:17 utc | 253

"thanks to all the informative folks here - stonebird, paveway, the watcher, karlof1, william gruff, peter and some of the newer posters..." - Posted by: james | Aug 23 2022 23:21 utc | 177
I concur and add Guernica, Spinworthy, and Tom to the list. Many thanks to you and all the informative (and occasionally feisty) barflies.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Aug 24 2022 5:20 utc | 254

Re: Phase 3 autumn campaigns

Question - will the DPR and LPR militias participate in a drive to liberate Odessa? Or Kharkov ? …..if the DPR is still under Kiev’s occupation ?

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2022 5:23 utc | 255

On the IAEA and its inspection habit.

From evidence in Iran the IAEA visits are accompanied by an assassination a few days later. Usually the dead are the leading nuclear scientist at the inspected facility. Pretty sure I would not trust the IAEA in its current leadership to say or do anything the least bit accurate or reliable. A bit like the OPCW on steroids. Russia doesn't need them anywhere near the ZNPP as they are just exploited to feed the idiot Atlanticist narrative.

They should wait as in another month or so there will be another NPP in the same situation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 5:26 utc | 256

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 5:17 utc | 256

I was sure you would come up with a fine recipe, but the bird has to be cooked to perfection when saltbush has no access to fish sauce

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 5:35 utc | 257

I guess it is the only thing he can play, but Zelensky threatening to never negotiate if Azov goes on trial (what will their future be if they testify against Kyiv??) is not that compelling. He has already said at various times that he intends to drive Russia out of not just the Donbas, but Crimea as well. And, he is losing.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 24 2022 5:38 utc | 258

James Cook #251

Europe is the only one that can step in and stop this before it is too late. They need to stop cooperating with the US/UK plan for their own demise and make peace with Russia.

Do not hold your breath. There is not a statesman between them other than Orban. And he does not look suicidal or stupid enough to me to even attempt a role in reconciliation.

The EU team is represented by Borrell. Enough said. I doubt that scumbag will ever set foot in Russia again unless draw and quarter is re-introduced just for him and Russia insists on having his left one as a trophy.

The war will continue on and the Ukraine of yesterday will cease to exist other than as incorporated oblasts within Russia. The nazis will be happy in the west of europe reversing all those islamic refugees and burning mosques and library books and rainbow people. Fahrenheit 451 will be vogue in the EU. Winters will be cold so they will keep warm this way.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 5:38 utc | 259

Ahhhh fuck this is the Ukraine thread. Off topic again. Nothing like living within a totalitarian world.. Great stuff. Go for it be.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 5:40 utc | 260

Exile | Aug 24 2022 5:23 utc | 258
Question - will the DPR and LPR militias participate in a drive to liberate…..
This is possibly a Mercouris/Duran speciality.
We know Putin/Russia was meticulous with the legal+precedent argument for the SMO.
Stepping through… the two Donbas republics were fighting as allies of RF to free their oblasts from genocidal Ukrainian rule.
Oblasts from across the RF have participated.
Russia is now raising a militia from the Kherson/ Odessa oblast to “liberate” these regions.
Can the two independent Donbas republics join as allies?
Or. Will the referendum in September see them join the RF.
If they vote to become oblasts within the RF.. then precedent says they can be included as part of the RF forces.
I expect other barflies will weigh in….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 5:42 utc | 261

I kind of disagree Russia will go beyond Ukraine. It depends completely on Nato attacking. Nato can be defeated economically like someone stated earlier. The key in Ukraine is recon aircraft (drones) by overwhelming numbers, and tip-offs or other intelligence and tracking of Nato weapon stockpiles etc. If they can be destroyed in industrial quantities, Russia wins, that's it. Those 1000 or so drones from Iran might help? Iran actually invested a lot in their drones.

Nato is neck deep in Ukraine in anyway, which is a double-edged sword. While it helps Ukraine more, it also means that Nato is much less effective than mainstream narratives let on. The problem for Russia is Nato recon can probably to some extent direct targets to "ukro" AA and artillery systems on the ground. And the use of satellites, for which there's yet no real method of mass removal.
They could use essentially some sort of scrap metal collector in space.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 5:49 utc | 262

Well kids, is Nuland's War worth all this?

Posted by: ChrisHerz | Aug 24 2022 5:50 utc | 263

Sushi [245]

UK inflation forecast to exceed 10% and Truss focuses on her duty to unleash "global annihilation."

You must be reading comic books or manga. UK inflation is forecast to exceed 18.6% by December....and that is using the "amended" calculation - if you use 1980 calculation inflation is way over 25% in UK and over 18% in USA. Governments cooked the books back in 1980s to fool the idiots who did not understand real wages were going down and down.

As for Truss. The question always posed by some clown in UK elections is "Are you man enough to extinguish life with firing a nuclear missile ?"

It I supposed to reveal who is not 101% on-message. What Truss clearly said......is we lease Trident missiles from US and our submarines draw down from stockpiles in King's Bay, GA when they go on patrol...........there is no prospect of UK firing such a missile without US clearance........

It is all part of the "puffed up, strut your stuff" routine that makes UK so badly governed. Truss can become PM and by Christmas she will be in panic mode as the country collapses from food shortages (Felixstowe strike), NHS collapse (nurses' strike, doctors' strike), fuel shortages (rail strike), school closures (Teachers' strike),

If she cuts taxes the Bank of England will simply jack up interest rates and stop buying bonds from banking system.

Ukraine will collapse this winter as will Western Europe and UK will be in turmoil

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 24 2022 5:57 utc | 264

I am reliably informed that echidna is by far the finest sweetest meat going.

always learning invaluable info from the barflies.
thank you uncle t.

Posted by: annie | Aug 24 2022 5:59 utc | 265

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2022 5:23 utc | 258

I'll take a punt and say DPR and LPR militias will not operate outside their regional zones and that Odessa is for the Russian Army

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 24 2022 6:00 utc | 266

Breaking: Like I suspected earlier (US airlifting weapons out of Anchorage, AK), they are now starting to strip their reserved active weapons from military units for shipping in Ukraine! They are going balls deep, throwing the kitchen sink, whatever you want to call it. They are completely broke and bankrupt economy and they know it.

They can't afford to fund MIC with "official" inflation running at 10-20% and actual at 20-50%, without suffering catastrophic pain for the quality of life for citizens.

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1562248159157538816

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 6:01 utc | 267

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 6:01 utc | 270

Perhaps when the USA is about to default, Russia can purchase Alaska - at the same bargain basement rate it sold it at.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 6:07 utc | 268

OPEC and Saudi minister warns oil future prices are completely disconnected from reality on the supply on the ground. OPEC will be cutting supply. Bring on the pain, US will need to refill the SPR and push prices higher, once again.

https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1562026078675390467

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 6:10 utc | 269

SOURCE: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/no-matter-who-wins-ukraine-america-has-already-lost-204288
No Matter Who Wins Ukraine, America Has Already Lost
There are multiple tough strategic realities for the United States to absorb.
Regardless of who wins the Ukrainian war, the United States will be the strategic loser.
Russia will build closer relations with China and other countries on the Eurasian continent, including India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states.
It will turn irrevocably away from European democracies and Washington.
> Knowing that it can no longer keep Europe as its top energy customer, Moscow has logically moved to grow its fossil fuels sales with Asia, notably China and India.
Since the Ukraine invasion, Russia has become China’s top oil provider, replacing Saudi Arabia.
…> Closer energy relations between China and Russia will help to draw them closer as strategic allies with “no limits” on the Eurasian continent.
By having a committed Russian energy supplier in its backyard, China will inevitably obtain more strategic flexibility for dealing with the United States and its Indo-Pacific regional allies, all to the detriment of Western democracies.

Russia has also greatly increased its energy business with India since the Ukraine invasion. According to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, “India has been the main buyer of the cargoes out of the Atlantic that Europe doesn’t want anymore.”
Before invading Ukraine, India bought almost no oil from Russia. Now it is importing over 760,000 barrels a day.
Increases in Russian fossil fuel sales to India will be detrimental to efforts by the United States, Australia, and Japan to continue to draw Delhi into a closer orbit with democratic countries in the Indo-Pacific region.
In fact, India—the world’s largest democracy—has taken a neutral stance on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
At the United Nations, India abstained from votes that condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
……> The Indian response to the Russo-Ukrainian War underscores the reality that India will likely not fully integrate into a Western Pacific alliance such as the Quad.
If China is smart enough to avoid more border fights with India, momentum for India to become more involved with the Quad could well decline.
In more bad news for the West, India was not alone in abstaining from the UN General Assembly resolution that censured Russia for invading Ukraine. Thirty-four other countries declined to take the West’s side.

Two-thirds of the global population live in countries that have refrained from denouncing Russia. Even neighboring Mexico refused to condemn Russia or join economic sanctions.
These are tough strategic realities for the United States to absorb.
After the Russian invasion, the Western democracies swiftly coalesced, passing a broad array of sanctions against Moscow, including deadlines for ending fossil fuel purchases from Russia.
The West’s energy sanctions have to an extent backfired, causing inflationary and supply disruptions so severe that Brussels now is struggling to cope with the economic consequences.
The EU has even quietly announced steps to ease Russian energy sanctions to help stabilize energy markets.
While the West complains that Russia weaponized its oil and gas exports, the reality is that it was Brussels and Washington that first raised the energy sword when they announced their intent to cut back Russian fossil fuel purchases immediately after the Ukraine invasion.

One positive byproduct of the Russo-Ukrainian War has been the rejuvenation of NATO, which has rallied to support Ukraine.
[insert clown world emoji: ]
…> On the negative side, the United States is carrying more than its pro rata share of the burden to support Ukraine compared to other alliance partners except for Baltic states and Poland.
Through May 20, 2022, the United States supplied or committed $54 billion in military aid to Kyiv.
The United Kingdom was a distant second at $2.50 billion, followed by Poland at $1.62 billion and Germany at $1.49 billion.
…> The United States is the largest supplier of military aid notwithstanding that Russia’s invasion is far more of an immediate threat for European allies than for the United States, which is 5,700 miles away from the war, across the Atlantic Ocean.
Ukraine shows again how dangerously dependent Western Europe is on American leadership and its military.
That will not change until the U.S. foreign policy establishment can shake off the conviction, firmly cemented over seven decades, that only the United States can lead NATO, providing the military backbone for the alliance.

The United States must adapt, particularly as an even more jarring, ugly reality is the fact that NATO’s Article V defense commitments are limited by treaty to the Atlantic region.
Were Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, or Guam attacked by China, North Korea or Russia, NATO’s collective defense commitments would not apply.
Nonetheless, even though there is no chance that the NATO treaty will ever be amended to help the United States in the Pacific, Washington should not and cannot abandon NATO.
Instead, the U.S. foreign policy establishment must work harder to enable European allies to pick up more, even if not the lion’s share, of the burden
on their side of the Eurasian continent.
[Maybe another clown world emoji inserted here^]

If the United States continues to keep its head buried in the historical assumptions that prompted the creation of NATO in 1949, things are going to get steadily worse for over-stretched United States military resources and capabilities.
The United States is no longer the world’s sole dominant power.
More burden sharing in the U.S. alliance system will have to happen sooner or later to deal with the reality of an increasingly multipolar world.
Ramon Marks is a retired, New York international lawyer.
END…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 6:31 utc | 270

Interesting to see how many People were asking about Heavy Bombers and their Absence.

This Day - UKRanian Independence Day - was Celebrated by the RUS Armed Forces by their introduction of STRATEGIC BOMBERS into the Fray.

I suspect that Hypersonics/Supersonics(E=½mv²), Cruise, GPS/Precision Missiles and Gravity/Boosted Bombs are now being DUMPED upon UKRoNazi Fortifications.

Round the Clock Sorties with Hot Engined Refueling+Replenishment and occasional Crew Rotation.

https://t.me/BellumActaNews/81576

Bellum Acta News: RUS BearNet STRATEGIC BOMBER RadioCommsFreq Now ACTIVE!

Heavy Metal Airstrikes on Dnipro, Zaporizhia, Odessa, and Kharkiv. Air Raid Sirens all over UKR, with Explosions reported along the Dnieper River.

Posted by: IronForge | Aug 24 2022 6:32 utc | 271

ChrisHerz #266

Well kids, is Nuland's War worth all this?

The anti fascist struggle and the destruction of its nazi foot soldiers is worth this. The anti empire struggle is worth this.

Most of us would have preferred peaceful means of achieving freedom and security for the people of Donbass and then the people of Russia for there was no doubt the nazi/nato force was itching to conquer the east. Just as it is itching to conquer China - again.

Defence through warfare is an abomination but it is an abomination that has to be met head on as any fool can see that the westies are beyond redemption until they get a full face punch.

Does freedom and a better world seem worth all this? Bloody oath it is.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 6:40 utc | 272

unimperator #270

They are going balls deep, throwing the kitchen sink, whatever you want to call it.

How about "throwing in the septic tank AND the WAPO rs wipe".

Some Aussies refer to yanks as septic tanks - I gather that slang arose from some friction from the WWII experience. There was an occasion where two trains, one with USA troops and another with Aussies, were passing and words were said that resulted in gunfire. But other barflies might have a more accurate report.

I have a suspicion that those Anchorage weapons will not get very far into Ukraine and may be interdicted in the land of the Poles as a form of hint.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 6:51 utc | 273

IronForge #274

Heavy Metal Airstrikes on Dnipro, Zaporizhia, Odessa, and Kharkiv. Air Raid Sirens all over UKR, with Explosions reported along the Dnieper River.

Maybe now we see the BIG RED ARROWS that Scott Ritter spoke of in this session:)

https://rumble.com/v1gtjph-discussing-ukraine.-glenn-diesen-interviews-scott-ritter-and-alexander-merc.html

I trust that after months of relentless degradation of the NATO army in Ukraine we might begin to see the formation of large Russian cauldrons surrounding the shell shocked 'army of mercenaries'.

And on Ukraine independence day too.

:))
:))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 6:58 utc | 274

unimperator | Aug 24 2022 6:01 utc | 270
That twitt link.
I love reading the comments. My how the “wisdom” has changed since April/May, when 9 v 1 comments were bluster and “yeeeehaaaw” USAUSAUSA!!!
Now is 7 v 3 of “sheeeeit. Russian artillery. Who knew?”

Congress critters and think tanks seem inclined to escalate. Increasingly, the ex military guys, not so much.
Pentagon likely wants to continue its strategy of inciting Russians and Ukrainians kill each other.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 7:00 utc | 275

uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 6:51 utc | 276
Septic tank… rhyming slang for “yank”…
Also they are full of shit. ( septic tanks and yanks).
Brisbane WW2.
Train of Aussies heading out… possibly New Guinea.
Train of “over paid, over sexed over here” yanks heading south to the city for R+R.
Allegedly. One seppo (an abbreviation of the septic tank epithet) yelled:
“Hope your wives are keeping the bed warm”.
Outcome: More US troops had been killed by Australians than Japanese at that point.
Allegedly.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 7:09 utc | 276

@IronForge | Aug 24 2022 6:32 utc | 274

Tupolev were used many times before. Some people asked about carpet bombing, nato style. I don't think they'll do that, too much collateral damage. Outside of Ukr borders everything will be on the menu and puppets know that.

Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2022 7:12 utc | 277

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 6:31 utc | 273
If the United States continues to keep its head buried in the historical assumptions that prompted the creation of NATO in 1949, things are going to get steadily worse for over-stretched United States military resources and capabilities.


The United States is no longer the world’s sole dominant power.
More burden sharing in the U.S. alliance system will have to happen sooner or later to deal with the reality of an increasingly multipolar world.
Ramon Marks is a retired, New York international lawyer.
END…

<==Not sure the USA wants burden sharing to interfere with bankrupting America.
The question is which side is Putin, China and Iran really on? Do they want to retain national sovereignty within the nation state system or is Ukraine conflict a part of the great reset?

Posted by: snake | Aug 24 2022 7:17 utc | 278

Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 7:09 utc | 279
High point of father in law's war was defending yank airfields from yank aircraft in the pacific. They must have been good cos the yanks booted them out and went alone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 7:24 utc | 279

Posted by: snake | Aug 24 2022 7:17 utc | 281

"Do they want to retain national sovereignty within the nation state system or is Ukraine conflict a part of the great reset?"

I think the great reset plan envisioned quick defeat of Russia. Also Ukronazi force was supposed to reach the Ural line to give WEF/globohomohegemony all the resources so they could control the world.

Instead they are now messing up their own little sandbox aka. the "West". Guess ruling over a pile of cr#p is better than nothing.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 7:33 utc | 280

Head of the Voronezh State Administration was killed in an explosion of his car

Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2022 7:39 utc | 281

michaelj72 | Aug 24 2022 2:06 utc | 223

I no longer expect a military coup. It seems to me that the purpose of sending all Ukrainian men between 16 and 60 to the front line unarmed is precisely to prevent that possibility.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 24 2022 7:47 utc | 282

Former mayor of Ekaterinburg Anatoly Roizmann had been arrested for propagating falsehoods against RF. A Jew, by the way.

Posted by: rp | Aug 24 2022 7:57 utc | 283

Nice thread explaining the run up and reasoning behind the Molotov-Ribbentov agreement.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MustBeTheHero/status/1562092757522472961

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 24 2022 8:00 utc | 284

I watch family and friends about me. Most following the yank pied piper. A percentage of Ukrainians have followed the yank pied piper to their doom. The same will happen here. All I can do is sit back and watch the sheep walk off a cliff.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 8:02 utc | 285

Tungsten no. 277

That was the video i was directed to when i eventually managed to change the browser. It was a great discussion. (But i couldn't find the one you originally posted.)

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 24 2022 8:03 utc | 286

that first post b. you live happily with out and out trolls but off thread is off limits.That first post is off topic.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 8:12 utc | 287

The President of Latvia Egils Levits called for stop dealing with Russian-speaking citizens and isolating them from the rest of society. According to him, since the beginning of the special operation in Ukraine, a part of society disloyal to the state has appeared in Latvia, which has a negative impact on the country. The Baltic countries are competing for the leading role in Russophobia.

Posted by: rp | Aug 24 2022 8:13 utc | 288

"Posted by: JohninMK | Aug 23 2022 17:50 utc | 87"

He made perfect sense to me. Maybe recognition of mild sarcasm is not in your skill set.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 24 2022 8:21 utc | 289

"Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 23 2022 18:19 utc | 96"

Talking rubbish. Russia has never determined that they could wrap this SMO up quickly. It was always going to be a slow grind until the DPR is freed up and it will continue to be a slow grind through all of the major cities still to be taken.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 24 2022 8:27 utc | 290

Head of the Voronezh State Administration was killed in an explosion of his car

Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2022 7:39 utc | 284

Link?

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 8:40 utc | 291

@ clue 63
Radicalisation imho in the War on Islam was achieved by mass rendition+torture+chemical brainwashing, in other words changing the personality by chemically removing people's memory of justice and mercy.

Western propaganda would have it that radicalisation is caused by poverty and oppression caused by dictators , the West's fully owned bogeyman.

So in the case of Ukraine, the un-brainwashed is perfectly able to blame his own country's oligarchs and politicians for starting a war. Radicalisation requires something much more evil, i.e. poisoning of confined prisoners to turn them into mini Frankenstein fighters. Dr Mengeles experiments come to mind.

In Syria there also a lot of theatrics to create the illusion of terror, such as the actor Shimon Elliot posing as Baghdadi and many extras in the Hollywood directed film.
The radicals you saw were acting. The radicals on the front were USUKIS robo clones on drugs who had been illegally deprived of all normal sense of proportion.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 24 2022 8:40 utc | 292

Melaleuca #279

Thank you, :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 8:40 utc | 293

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 8:40 utc | 298

It was known as the Battle of Brisbane. Brisbane was the HQ of the US forces.

I grew up referring to Yanks as Septic Tanks (not sure if elsewhere that is their name - home based sewage systems for those who do not use the term).

Like Peter's FiL my father was also accidentally bombed by the US.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2022 8:51 utc | 294

Jackson Hinkle says its game over for the Green Rainbow gang in Germany:
https://rumble.com/v1h40ib-game-over.html

Jackson just loves shoving it in their face.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 24 2022 8:52 utc | 295

Will Schryver again, about the most important revelation of this war:
https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/no-fly-zone.html

Posted by: njet | Aug 24 2022 8:54 utc | 296

@ unimperator 196

https://test.rtde.tech/international/131481-liveticker-zum-ukraine-krieg-kiew/

Posted by: Goingo | Aug 24 2022 8:55 utc | 297

Link?
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 24 2022 8:40 utc | 296

Check TASS, it's right on the front page

Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2022 8:56 utc | 298

@all - Warning, I am in a 'ban everything' mood.

Stick to the topic. Do not respond to trolls. Otherwise I'll ban you from commenting at this blog.

Posted by: b | Aug 23 2022 9:42 utc | 1

Off topic b. you are banned. Do not respond to trolls. I will tie their balls in a knot then castrate them as you do not remove them. Fucking feeble threatening to bhn anyone who goes off topic but allowing out and out troll to roam as they will. You allow out and out spruikers for empirical bullshit to roam at will yet threaten to ban any one who goes of your so called topic.
You becomng mainsteam exceceptionalist is not good.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2022 8:57 utc | 299

Meanwhile real world transformations are occurring, I mean the world is really changing

- Karlofi pointed out the expansion of Vnesheconombank ‘s capital base and activities, as reported directly to Mr Putin

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69200

Here’s another big deal : OPEC for Gas producers

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Iran-And-Russia-Move-To-Create-A-Global-Natural-Gas-Cartel.html

Do not pay attention to Mr Watkins’, the author of the article, cursory obeissance to the regulation anti anti language, his reporting is objective, perceptive and goes beyond the usual superficial summaries of events found in most reports

The initiative to (re) form this alliance is as intelligent as the recent Russia accord with Turkey, and should it succeed in pulling in Qatar will decisively realign control of energy

Once again Mr Putin has been preparing this for many years, through the formation of the GECF, Gas exporting counties forum, and especially-

« Over and above the need for a good relationship between Qatar and Iran to ensure the optimal functioning of their huge joint gas reservoir, Russia and Iran see another area of particular vulnerability in Doha’s political makeup that can be exploited in the building out of a Gas OPEC, and that is its dislike for its other neighbor, Saudi Arabia. The blockade of Qatar from 2017 to 2021 was orchestrated by Saudi Arabia and actively endorsed by the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt initially, with later support coming from Jordan, Libya, and other smaller states. It has never been forgotten by Qatar, and nor has the support that was given to Doha during the period by Iran, and by Russia, both independently and via Turkey. »

Why pays so much attention to terrorist activities which only feed the USEU newscycle disconnect, when these are the acts and the policies that reshape the world

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 24 2022 9:05 utc | 300

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