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August 23, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-138

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Note: Stick to the topic or get banned.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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> Power prices in these countries surged to a record today: UK, France, Germany, Italy, Nordic region
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 14:46 utc | 378
Thanks for that ghastly, depressing report! I think we can reasonably conclude that another Great Depression is now inevitable. The West, under siege with supply chains severely limited, is in no position to deal with both restive domestic populations and conduct protracted siege warfare against well supplied Bears and Pandas in military mode.
The war is already won. It remains to be seen how long it takes the West to wake up and revolt against itself.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 17:14 utc | 401

New adobe photoshop version opens with a kitsch blonde ukrainian amazone warrior who holds a weapon.
Cannot believe it:
https://stadtrandnotiz.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Bildschirmfoto-2022-08-24-um-18.51.58.png

Posted by: njet | Aug 24 2022 17:14 utc | 402

The EN word for which you search is drought worldwide, yes, even China.
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 24 2022 16:14 utc | 403
Big story not getting told. And yet ANOTHER reason why world wide depression headed our way.
Winter is coming!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 17:20 utc | 403

Message England stops imports of petrol, I don’t know if oil is meant!
But the riots in England are already big, energy prices are the highest in Europe!
Is the government planning civil war?
Just like Germany France, it gives the impression of civil war = unrest is desired or better the goal of your doing!

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 24 2022 17:23 utc | 404

New adobe photoshop version opens with a kitsch blonde ukrainian amazone warrior who holds a weapon.
Cannot believe it:
https://stadtrandnotiz.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Bildschirmfoto-2022-08-24-um-18.51.58.png
Posted by: njet | Aug 24 2022 17:14 utc | 409

Where exactly is that lass an Ukrainian blonde? Just asking, as the new Lord of the Rings series is about to be released (Amazon Prime) and that might well be the reason … unless you mean blonde hair and blueish armor?

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 24 2022 17:34 utc | 405

… while German main news outlets have a few videos about them Ukrainians hailing their war dead, all “9,000” of them. Kool Aid was drunk in gallons over here …

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 24 2022 17:36 utc | 406

The Ukrainian channel Resident, citing a source in the President’s Office, reports that Johnson asked Zelensky to refuse a direct meeting with Putin, which Erdogan suggested. Ukraine should become an example of resilience for the whole of Europe, which is now experiencing an energy and social crisis. Zelensky assured Johnson that there would be no negotiations and now Ukraine would demand the complete surrender of Russia kek
Quelle
https://t.me/s/intelslava

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 24 2022 17:39 utc | 407

The Ukrainian channel Resident, citing a source in the President’s Office, reports that Johnson asked Zelensky to refuse a direct meeting with Putin, which Erdogan suggested. Ukraine should become an example of resilience for the whole of Europe, which is now experiencing an energy and social crisis. Zelensky assured Johnson that there would be no negotiations and now Ukraine would demand the complete surrender of Russia kek

Posted by: mac99 | Aug 24 2022 17:40 utc | 408

Its interesting to note that the US Senate declared Russia a state sponsor of terrorism in a nonbinding resolution, at the same time this was said. Two weeks ago, Ukrainian Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk expressed his full support for Tel Aviv, saying “As a Ukrainian whose country is under a very brutal attack by its neighbor, I feel great sympathy towards the Israeli public. Attacks on women and children are reprehensible. Terrorism and malicious attacks against civilians are the daily reality of Israelis and Ukrainians and this appalling threat must be stopped immediately.”
Apparently its fine to funnel billions worth of weapons and aid and military training to Ukraine, and its also fine for Ukraine to fight back, but if you’re Palestinian you are labelled as sponsoring terrorism if you try to defend yourself and your country from the oppressive occupying force known as Israel.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-conquers-world/5790958

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 24 2022 17:43 utc | 409

mac998 | Aug 24 2022 17:23 utc | 411
I am in England. Would you please be so kind as to point me to some link that shows the big riots you allude to? Also how our energy prices are the highest in Europe?
It is all peaceful as far as I can see. The populace has no idea what is heading towards them.

Posted by: JohninMK | Aug 24 2022 17:45 utc | 410

In response to njet | Aug 24 2022 17:14 utc | 409
Yet another reason to use the completely free Gimp.
Link to GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP)

Posted by: Ranelagh | Aug 24 2022 17:46 utc | 411

… Defer to Karlof for all things Putin-speech related.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2022 14:54 utc | 381

Thanks a lot for the the link back to Putin’s speech on missile tech advantage!

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2022 17:53 utc | 412

On eating crow at the MOA…
Only true insiders have certainty about what is really going on but their interests are also narrow and limited by being homo saps.
MOA readers/contributors, apart from deliberate wrongheadedness [trolls], are all trying to understand what is happening. Thus we necessarily operate in the fog and chaos sown by the insiders who operate only to thrive and maintain their status…by plundering our attention…by keeping others ignorant. We do our best to be helpful and learn from our mistakes. Humiliation is the risk one takes to communicate honestly from our ignorant viewpoints.

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 24 2022 17:57 utc | 413

Daria Dugina was a philosopher and political commentator who actively supported Special military operation in Ukraine. We decided to recall her the most striking statements.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/8884

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 24 2022 18:01 utc | 414

The Ukie power plant could end up like Fukushima, that was sabotaged also. The Israelis have a ” company” that specialises in working on nuclear power plants around the world. Only the Clandestine folks ever talk about this though. Most web sites would never touch it.

Posted by: GMC | Aug 24 2022 18:04 utc | 415

mac99 | Aug 24 2022 17:40 utc | 414
“Johnson asked Zelensky to refuse a direct meeting with Putin, which Erdogan suggested”
That is probably the sole reason Bojo was there, to tell the “Zellibaby” what he should do. It is unlikely that Putin wants to meet Zelli at all.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 24 2022 18:05 utc | 416

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 16:38 utc | 404
‘I think that the USA plan is a slow ukrainian defeat to maximize RF losses’
The quicker that RF finishes the war in the Ukraine, the quicker NATO will open up a new front (Poland?, Baltics?). Therefore it is in Russia’s interest to destroy NATO in the Ukraine where the RF has logistical advantages and has already shaped the battlefield to its liking. I don’t see any advantage for Russia to finish the war before they have bled NATO to death, in Ukraine.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 24 2022 18:08 utc | 417

The IAEA article on the situation in Ukraine mentions concern expressed by Ukraine but not by Russia, which I take to indicate that IAEA is in on the fix.
Posted by: David Levin | Aug 24 2022 16:52 utc | 407

You’re right, thanks for the correction. It was actually Guterres who called the attacks suicidal, rather than the IAEA, not that he can bring himself to name the perpetrators.
Granted that a low key response to the deliberate shelling of ZNPP by US terror-proxy forces might simply reflect the patron-gimp relationship that exists between the US and the corresponding state / agency but, especially with states likely to suffer from ZNPP fallout, the response has been alarmingly muted.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2022 18:15 utc | 418

Posted by: Ranelagh | Aug 24 2022 17:46 utc | 417
Yet another reason to use the completely free Gimp.

Almost wanted to try it, then (thank god) I noticed that blue yellow canvas + brush
(Just kidding.)

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 24 2022 18:20 utc | 419

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 24 2022 18:05 utc | 425
Johnson is evil. He has gotten away with so much because weak people around him act as facilitators. He is uncompromisingly self-centred. If you ever wonder how dictatorship emerges look no further.
At every stage Johnson has been exposed as corrupt and without scruple yet he has moved on and never been brought to account.
What he has done these past few weeks is to make the disaster irreversible. He has destroyed the economy in UK, devastated lives, and has no interest in rising energy and food costs – he simply indulges his fantasies of flying in a fast jet or playing emperor in Kiev.
Wherever Johnson has been chaos and insolvency are in his wake like a perennial party boy running off before it comes to cleaning up and paying the bar bill

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 24 2022 18:23 utc | 420

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Posted by: Oui | Aug 24 2022 18:33 utc | 421

Bluedog57 | Aug 24 2022 8:27 utc | 294
“Russia has never determined that they could wrap this SMO up quickly. It was always going to be a slow grind…”
They’re doing it slowly in order to buy time, because they have no viable concept for the time after the SMO. With the limits and restraints they’ve put themselves under, there are no ways left to end the hostilities and settle the Ukraine problem once and for all.
“…until the DPR is freed up…”
The DPR could and should have been freed up months ago. Doing it in slow-motion is for political reasons and because of Putin’s MO.
“… and it will continue to be a slow grind through all of the major cities still to be taken.”
You mean all of them, because almost no major city has been taken so far.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 24 2022 18:43 utc | 422

The war is already won. It remains to be seen how long it takes the West to wake up and revolt against itself.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 17:14 utc | 410

Quite long, I fear. The western people are like sheep. It is enough to see how they were directed and how they followed the instructions during the epidemy. Submitting. About 80% submitted. You can do nothing with such mentality. Second there is no credible organisation able to replace the political mafia at the top. The yellow jackets movement failed. Completely. There was no backbone, and a backbone is still missing. Western people are afraid of everything and you can expect nothing from cowards.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 24 2022 20:34 utc | 423

There was no backbone, and a backbone is still missing. Western people are afraid of everything and you can expect nothing from cowards.
Posted by: Olivier | Aug 24 2022 20:34 utc | 432
Sad but true. The only true European polity in the mix is that of the sacré Russians!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2022 21:11 utc | 424

Yenwoda – when are you heading for the front lines? Keep us posted on your experience. I heard Kraken might be short a few hands so maybe they will take you in.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 24 2022 21:15 utc | 425

Republicofscotland | Aug 24 2022 17:43 utc | 418
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Ukraine posing with Israel as innocent victims of unprovoked aggression is employing Zionists’ tiresome and threadbare decades-long MO as persecuted innocents. Projecting their own moral and criminal depravity onto their victims exposes the rank hypocrisy of these contortionists. Theirs is a cynically-calculated blindness to the glaring irony in their own reign of terror. They are evil, cunning shape-shifters inexorably being revealed to the world. Woe unto them.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 24 2022 23:36 utc | 426

@ Doug Hillman | Aug 24 2022 23:36 utc | 435
ukraine does seem to be playing the innocent victim role which israel likes to play… they appear to be working from the same playbook…

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2022 23:49 utc | 427

Time for a wild assed guess.
The reports of a RF buildup north of Ukraine are intended to focus the UAF on a potential threat from the North.
The reports of 31+ BTG facing West outside of Kherson are intended to focus UAF on a potential threat to Odessa.
The pause along the Donbass line of contact is to give the UAF the opportunity to rotate out depleted formations and move fresh troops up to the Donbass zero line.
All across 404 the fascists will be celebrating the fact the expected massive RF attack did not occur and it is now time to crack open a bottle of bubbly for an inebriated celebration that will continue long into the night.
While the UAF is focused on partying and what the RF wants them to see, the Duma will enact legislation labelling 404 as a terrorist state and granting the authorization to employ the Russian army in the field.
Immediately following the Duma proclamation there will be a major armoured spearhead entering 404 from the Izum area and proceeding towards Zaporizhia. This will trap the majority of the UAF in the Donbass.
When 404 repositions its Nikolyev forces toward Kyvy Rog in response to the Russian thrust at Zaporizhia, the 31+ BTG will push west to capture Odessa.
We should know within 48 hours if this is a credible prediction.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 25 2022 1:08 utc | 428

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 24 2022 22:58 utc | 121
. . . Russian defense systems are not that good, and because Ukrainians near Pesky can keep a “fortified bunker” (actually a not completed common bridge) and after 6 months of shelling, that Ukrainian position is still there, manned, stopping Russian advance, keeping Russian from the ability to push Ukrainian artillery away from the civilian center of the city of Donetsk.
Actual URL Redacted and replaced by the following
https colon wack wack t period me wack intelslava wack 35921
The above URL links to a short video which shows the UAF trench system in Pesky. You can count the number of dead in this “fortified bunker.” I prefer to leave this task to you. Let us know what you find.
Note:
This was posted some time ago but appears to have been cancelled due to the URL

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 25 2022 1:12 utc | 429

@Sushi #437, I can save you 47 hours. Not credible!

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 25 2022 1:57 utc | 430

https://t.me/intelslava/35921
sushis url works for me…

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2022 3:01 utc | 431

@ Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 24 2022 5:57 utc | 269
“If she cuts taxes the Bank of England will simply jack up interest rates and stop buying bonds from banking system.
Ukraine will collapse this winter as will Western Europe and UK will be in turmoil”
Why would a cut in taxes lead to a increase in interests rates by the Bank of England which is directed and authorised by the government of ‘England’?
What bullshit have you learnt or believed that you think the ‘banking system’ operates without a license authorised by the BoE which operates directly under the State Authority?
You probably believe Taxes pay for Government Spending.
If so do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
I will say again to everyone to understand Money and the History of it is to understand our current Geo Political daily reality.
The self delusional belief in the fake religion of Economics and its two grand churches of Capitalism/Anti Capitalism is the root cause of the blinkers worn by every believer of the Collective Waste.
When the house of cards falls there will be mass hysteria, disillusionment, and murder suicides as all these who live by Money is God realise they are mere muppets and all their dreams have been a lie.
Currently the U.K. is in the next phase of Fear inducement, even as it rains heavily , hosepipe bans are being introduced. The start of the football season has got the masses distracted by its Opium. When these matches are cancelled that’s when the public mood will become mob mentality. It’s coming.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 25 2022 11:01 utc | 432

@nwwoods #53

Meanwhile NATO failed to win against 30,000 goat herders in Afghanistan in 20 years with a trillion dollars expended.

Trillions of dollars were expended:
https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct
“The sinews of war are infinite money.” – Cicero

Posted by: ? | Aug 25 2022 12:59 utc | 433

Mr. Putin has signed a decree to increase Russian military strength to 1.3 million. That tells everyone that Russia is going forward with preparations for WWIII with NATO. That is the most significant news all week.
https://www.rt.com/news/561540-putin-military-size-ukraine/

Posted by: David Sant | Aug 25 2022 16:18 utc | 434

https://www.unz.com/article/aleksandr-dugin-on-the-alien-substantially-jewish-elite-in-the-u-s-and-its-war-against-traditional-american-individualism/
https://www.unz.com/ejones/who-killed-daria-dugina/

Excerpts from Alexander Dugin: “The United States Court Against the Ideology of Progress.”
The fact is that there is not just one American state, but two countries and two nations with this name and this is becoming more and more evident. It is not even a question of Republicans and Democrats, whose conflict is becoming increasingly bitter. It is the fact that there is a deeper division in American society.
Half of the US population is an advocate of pragmatism. This means that for them there is only one yardstick: it works or it doesn’t work, it works/it doesn’t work. That is all. And no dogma either about the subject or the object. Everyone can see himself as whatever he wants, including Elvis Presley or Father Christmas, and if it works, no one dares to object. It is the same with the outside world: there are no inviolable laws, do what you want with the outside world, but if it responds harshly, that is your problem. There are no entities, only interactions. This is the basis of Native American identity, it is the way Americans themselves have traditionally understood liberalism: as freedom to think what you want, to believe what you want, and to behave as you want. Of course, if it comes to conflict, the freedom of one is limited by the freedom of the other, but without trying you cannot know where the fine line is. Try it, maybe it will work.
That is how American society has been up to a certain point. Here, banning abortion, allowing abortion, sex change, punishing sex change, gay parades or neo-Nazi parades were all possible, nothing was turned away at the door, the decision could be anything, and the courts, relying on a multitude of unpredictable criteria, precedents and considerations, were the last resort to decide, in problematic cases, what worked/didn’t work. This is the mysterious side of the Americans, completely misunderstood by Europeans, and also the key to their success: they have no boundaries, which means they go where they want until someone stops them, and that is exactly what works.
Dugin is describing traditional American political values based on individualism and personal freedom. But traditional American political values have been in conflict with the values of a new, substantially Jewish elite with strong authoritarian tendencies.
But in the American elite, which is made up of people from a wide variety of backgrounds, at some point a critically large number of non-Americans have accumulated. They are predominantly Europeans, often from Russia. Many are ethnically Jewish but imbued with European or Russian-Soviet principles and cultural codes. They brought a different culture and philosophy to the United States. They did not understand or accept American pragmatism at all, seeing it only as a backdrop for their own advancement. That is, they took advantage of American opportunities, but did not intend to adopt a libertarian logic unrelated to any hint of totalitarianism. In reality, it was these alien elites who hijacked the old American democracy. It was they who took the helm of globalist structures and gradually seized power in the United States.

Because this is a charged/controversial/taboo topic it is being overlooked but the so-called ‘US’ or ‘American’ ‘Russophobia’ largely comes from the second group which indeed is predominantly of one particular ethnicity moreover many of whose direct forebears from only a few generations ago came from ‘beyond the pale’ whence they had been pushed by the Russian Empire and much of which is in modern-day Ukraine. Even worse, that same territory used to be Kazaria from when many centuries earlier they had been pushed by the Rus. So there is deep-seated animosity from a people known for holding grudges lasting many millenia.
This group, I believe, is responsible for most of what is called ‘Nazism’ on this board and elsewhere. So if RF is going to succeed at ‘denazification’ they are going to have to eliminate this predominantly ethnically Jewish influence network not only from Ukraine, but also from Europe and the US since if they fail to do the latter, just cleaning out Ukraine won’t accomplish very much. Though maybe this last point is wrong and just cleansing Ukraine will be regarded as enough.
And of course assuming Daria’s death happened as described last week, and given her father’s outspoken calling-out of this group, chances are fairly high that they were involved in the terrorist assassination. Right up their alley.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 25 2022 20:12 utc | 435