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August 21, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-137
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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This article by Pepe Escobar, written before the identity of the killer and the mode of triggering the bomb (by remote control, as it turns out) were known, makes the same points I repeatedly made earlier: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 22 2022 13:38 utc | 201 Steven Starr | Aug 22 2022 13:33 utc | 202 Posted by: Hausmeister | Aug 22 2022 13:40 utc | 202 Darya’s killer has been identified and Russian is demanding the killers extradition. Dugin gave a statement that retaliation is petty for Russians, the war must be won. This signals a wider war with more economic pain for the collective West, desperate and without common purpose. Posted by: Goran | Aug 22 2022 13:47 utc | 203 @ mac998 179 180 Posted by: Ant. | Aug 22 2022 14:06 utc | 204 In German media still no word about the fact that the perpetrator was recognized! Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 14:07 utc | 205 Gerrard White @194 Posted by: aquileia | Aug 22 2022 14:13 utc | 206 Message and reason for the fact that Russia has not yet synchronized the nuclear power plant with Russia Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 14:14 utc | 207 whether the nuclear power plant still exists in Sebtemper??? Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 14:18 utc | 208 Steven Starr | Aug 22 2022 13:33 utc | 202 Posted by: Iguana | Aug 22 2022 14:27 utc | 209 Posted by: Bringoutyourdead | Aug 22 2022 11:02 utc | 164 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 22 2022 14:33 utc | 210 Let’s talk about the daily attacks on Crimea. > Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2022 14:37 utc | 211 buggered off before she actually witnessed who got into what car. Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 14:38 utc | 213 From today‘s clobber list; Posted by: Exile | Aug 22 2022 14:49 utc | 214 Posted by: aquileia | Aug 22 2022 14:13 utc | 210 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 14:50 utc | 215
Not anymore. I heard the story of Natalia Vodk just now in 4 p.m. news on radio station BR24 Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Aug 22 2022 14:54 utc | 216 they’re meant to find holes in Russia’s air defenses Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 15:07 utc | 217 Guilt for the murder of Darya Dugan falls not only on Ukraine. It also falls on America, Ukraine’s puppetmaster. Posted by: ak74 | Aug 22 2022 15:07 utc | 218 At NTV and WElt so far not a word, just rambling again at 5 p.m. about partisan groups.. Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 15:08 utc | 219 Sushi | Aug 22 2022 14:33 utc | 214 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 15:15 utc | 220 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 22 2022 13:38 utc | 205 Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 15:22 utc | 221 @ paul greenwood @ sushi and @Melaleuca… thanks for your posts… Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 15:26 utc | 222 But then we are left with the question – “Why would a supposed sophisticated EU elite, one acting primarily in its own self-interest (Lasch), commit seppuku by creating domestic social disorder, de-industrialization, and the transfer of economic primacy to the USA?” Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 22 2022 15:29 utc | 223 Gerrard White @220 Posted by: aquileia | Aug 22 2022 15:32 utc | 224 Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 22 2022 11:05 utc | 168 Posted by: Nobody | Aug 22 2022 16:55 utc | 225 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 15:15 utc | 225 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 22 2022 18:59 utc | 226 Re: Iguana | Aug 22 2022 14:27 utc | 212 Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 22 2022 19:43 utc | 227 Posted by: ak74 | Aug 22 2022 15:07 utc | 223:
Yes, agreed, but what else is new? Guilt of shelling of the nuke plant falls on America; suffering from the coming winter in Europe falls on America; the devastations of North Korea/Vietnam/Yugoslavia/Iraq/Syria/Libya/Afghan/ blah,blah,blah fall on America. Oh boy! if one looks, one can go on a looooong looooong list of guilts attributable to America, the most efficient and proficient disciple of Devil since humanity arose. But what would stop it from happening again and again???? Their own land is free from venues of attribution. Even their oversea bases, some 800+ of them scattering all over this globe, are “supposedly” off limit from punishments, because otherwise there is risk of a nuke war??? They got away for whatever guilts they pile up. Because so, they are getting more and more blatant, more and more cruel, more and more destructive. They got nothing to lose! They have everything to gain, because nations after nations yielded to their will and cowered. Why would they not do what they are doing and gaining? Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 22 2022 19:45 utc | 228 @Biswapriya Purkayast #204: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 22 2022 19:52 utc | 229 Can anyone please suggest how I can access the Strategic Culture Foundation website? I live in the US, and have tried using a variety of browsers, including Yandex, with no success, all attempts are blocked. Posted by: RB | Aug 22 2022 20:03 utc | 230 LOL!
misplaced precision
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 20:13 utc | 231 Dima had a sobering end to his summary today going so far as to use the n word. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 22 2022 20:29 utc | 232 @ Oriental Voice Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 20:55 utc | 233 Do you remember when Russian media started showing simulations of nuclear weapons striking Great Britain? Seems like all the tough talk from the Brits ceased after that. Posted by: Kisporoi | Aug 22 2022 21:33 utc | 234 What’s the point of saying it is not their fault if they are the ones who pay the price Posted by: K | Aug 22 2022 21:44 utc | 235 @165, Paul Greenwood, Re: US eager to drop nuclear bombs on Russia, that’s why I said US had been eager since “at least” 1962. I knew Truman/US designated Russia/USSR an effectively permanent US enemy requiring diversion of US taxpayer dollars in perpetuity, loading countries with US troops, military bases, etc. mainly to protect against their WWII ally, Stalin, who had offered to help Truman finish off the Japanese. I read that Truman didn’t want to accept Stalin’s help for fear of being beholden to him, so he opted instead for two atom bombs. Thanks for your additional links on this topic. US has made a fortune keeping the nuclear scare alive since WWII era. Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 23 2022 1:01 utc | 236 susan mullen | Aug 23 2022 1:01 utc | 240 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2022 4:56 utc | 237 : K | Aug 22 2022 21:44 utc | 239 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 5:22 utc | 238 This is a classic process of colonisation – the outsider power presents as all powerful in arms, allies this force with a number of ideologies and practices which appeal to the significant also minded and dominant local élites, so forms a deep alliance which can collapse the country for plunder… Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 7:26 utc | 243 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 8:27 utc | 240 |
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