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August 21, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-137
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 21 2022 22:54 utc | 109 Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 22 2022 0:00 utc | 101 @ Guernica 120. Posted by: Walt | Aug 22 2022 0:08 utc | 102 @33 Posted by: Donna | Aug 22 2022 0:18 utc | 103 Do you know where you’re going to? No Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 22 2022 0:30 utc | 104 @KitaySupporter | Aug 21 2022 22:28 utc | 103 Posted by: Nefrititi | Aug 22 2022 0:31 utc | 105 https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/ Posted by: David Hart | Aug 22 2022 0:31 utc | 106 https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/bidens-foreign-policy-is-one-big-mess.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eec6dbe1200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eec6dbe1200d Posted by: Sushi | Aug 22 2022 0:43 utc | 107 @ PavewayIV 81. Destruction of criminal evidence by a losing US empire. That reminds me of the time in Damascus when they realised they had permanently lost their chief rendition / chemical torture – brainwasher Assad to Russia and they took out a govt. medical/chemical facility that might have contained chemicals for torture brainwashing Muslims into useful jihadists. Posted by: Giyane | Aug 22 2022 0:45 utc | 108 Timing coincidence? Posted by: Gurenica | Aug 22 2022 1:13 utc | 109 Posted by: njet | Aug 21 2022 14:18 utc | 2 Posted by: daffyDuct | Aug 22 2022 1:21 utc | 110 Serbia/Kosovo is about to erupt, “Serbian President Vucic Vows to Protect Kosovo Serbs if NATO Won’t ‘Do Their Job'”. We know NATO is not there to protect Serbs; rather, the opposite’s the case–NATO’s there to kill Serbs and to prevent the Serbs from defending themselves against Albanian and Kosovo aggression. Russia was unable to help its Serbian ally in the 1990s, but that’s not the case today. @OhCanada | Aug 21 2022 23:50 utc | 121 Posted by: Grenly | Aug 22 2022 1:43 utc | 112 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2022 1:37 utc | 157 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 1:45 utc | 113 Barflies! This is not directly related to the Posted subject. Posted by: Spinworthy | Aug 22 2022 1:49 utc | 114 Declan Hayes on “Ukraine’s Massive Money Laundering Scam” is at SCF. Here are the introductory paragraphs:
Given how the Plundering Nations operate, none of this ought to be surprising. Indeed, much has been commented upon this at MoA. Hayes makes certain he smears Germany, France and the Dutch as he compares Ukraine to Greece and that trio’s rape of that nation. Seems there’s plenty of material to nail Hunter Biden and his dad, but the Rs aren’t interested, which makes me very curious. The latest piece from the NZ Daily Blog’s “military analyst”. I can never tell whether he is generally correct or not. It seems credible, but are the RF forces genuinely at risk in Kherson and elsewhere? Posted by: Peripatus | Aug 22 2022 2:15 utc | 116 Looks like a major offensive in all arena’s for the upcoming Ukraine “independence” day Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2022 2:41 utc | 117 @Figleaf23 | Aug 22 2022 1:53 utc | 163 Posted by: Erik | Aug 22 2022 2:50 utc | 118 Posted by: Nefrititi | Aug 22 2022 0:31 utc | 136 Posted by: KitaySupporter | Aug 22 2022 2:57 utc | 119 @ Spinworthy | Aug 22 2022 1:49 utc | 161 Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 2:57 utc | 120 re:Peripatus | Aug 22 2022 2:15 utc | 169 Posted by: Debsis dead | Aug 22 2022 3:04 utc | 121 uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 3:13 utc | 189 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2022 3:23 utc | 122 njet 2: Posted by: fairleft | Aug 22 2022 3:24 utc | 123 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2022 2:51 utc | 179 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 3:26 utc | 124 Thanks to who ever posted the You tubes of General Petrov K.P. 1 & 2. Posted by: K | Aug 22 2022 3:30 utc | 125 [Apologies in advance for the on-topic post] Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 22 2022 3:32 utc | 126 Peter AU1 #191 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 3:40 utc | 127 uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 3:40 utc | 200 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2022 3:43 utc | 128 Grenly | Aug 22 2022 1:43 utc | 159
Arrr.harh. This explains more the background of the Zap~| NPP. Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2022 5:17 utc | 129 Perhaps the lead story at anti-spiegel.ru on German energy is the reason for the conniving around the ZNPP?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 5:19 utc | 130 Jackson Hinkle pulls the energy wires together in some coherent form here. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 5:27 utc | 131 Florida Uhuru leader defends Russia, bashes Colonial powers. Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 22 2022 5:50 utc | 132 uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 5:27 utc | 219 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2022 5:55 utc | 133 Here is Scott Ritter for 0ne hour on the DERANGED Ukraine ‘Government’. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 6:12 utc | 134 Melaleuca #221 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 6:19 utc | 135 I haven’t seen the latest Russia MoD summary but Reuters is reporting that Russia is “pounding Ukraine”. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2022 6:36 utc | 136 psychohistorian | Aug 22 2022 6:36 utc | 225 Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 7:01 utc | 137 Tungsten no. 222 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 22 2022 7:23 utc | 138 US has been eager and on the verge of dropping nuclear bombs on Russia since at least 1962 when US planned false flag attack as excuse to start civilization-ending nuclear war w. USSR “in self-defense.” JFK dox declassified in March 2016 confirm. https://www.newsweek.com/us-soviet-aircraft-jfk-docs-cover-operations-717460 Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 22 2022 7:27 utc | 139 Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 22 2022 7:27 utc | 231 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 7:36 utc | 140 @Giyane, the anti Russia tilt of CM has been apparent for a long time, but I don’t know if he had anything to do with the influx of prowar reactionary trolls, though. I did notice it, just as I’ve noticed increased numbers of these clowns here at MOA. I don’t think b welcomes them, though he tolerates them to some extent. Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 7:38 utc | 141 Thanks to who ever posted the You tubes of General Petrov K.P. 1 & 2. Posted by: K | Aug 22 2022 3:30 utc | 195 Posted by: Juliah | Aug 22 2022 8:07 utc | 142 Just to put the current conflict in Ukraine into perspective: Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 8:12 utc | 143 From IntelSlava
Residents of Kiev are taking it seriously. Mass exodus from Kiev
Posted by: Down South | Aug 22 2022 8:31 utc | 144 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 8:12 utc | 237 Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 22 2022 8:34 utc | 145 Back to Ukraine, wasn’t there a meeting on the 19th, and a false flag was expected to pop up? Posted by: HelenB | Aug 22 2022 9:17 utc | 146 @232 pretzelattack Re: JFK, the late Justin Raimondo also called BS on the notion of JFK the anti-war, pro Russia person. I just re-read Raimondo’s 2013 article. Ugh. Typical Deep State behavior on JFK’s part for many years. So I can’t figure out how he could’ve made that Peace Speech at American U in June 1963-unless maybe he had a psychiatric disorder. Of course he was killed five and a half months later. Anyhow, thanks for the refresher. Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 22 2022 9:25 utc | 147 I cannot summarise the contents yet as I have just discovered it, thanks to K sparking my memory. Igor Girkin-Strelkov and Vladimir Kvachkov on the Russo-Ukrainian War, 14 April 2022: Posted by: K | Aug 22 2022 9:35 utc | 148 ThusspakeZarathustra #229
Still there for me using firefox. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 9:42 utc | 149 I like that Ritter acknowledges how powerful of a military Ukraine had and to some degree still has. It would make mincemeat out of most European armies. Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 9:45 utc | 150 What is the origin of this shady ”National Republican ARMY”??? Posted by: Rootman | Aug 22 2022 9:52 utc | 151 Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 21 2022 21:07 utc | 81 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 22 2022 9:53 utc | 152 there’s an email address under “About this site” up at the top on the home page. I don’t know how long he takes to respond. I can’t make much sense of this story, or the sudden appearance of several new accounts for that matter. Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 10:19 utc | 153 Norwegian | Aug 21 2022 19:20 utc | 55 Posted by: john | Aug 22 2022 10:25 utc | 154 The German politicians and MSM are such Rusophobes no words. Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 22 2022 10:36 utc | 155 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 22 2022 9:53 utc | 249 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 10:43 utc | 156 Sushi | Aug 22 2022 9:53 utc | 249 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 10:45 utc | 157 @232 pretzelattack Re: JFK, the late Justin Raimondo also called BS on the notion of JFK the anti-war, pro Russia person. I just re-read Raimondo’s 2013 article. Ugh. Typical Deep State behavior on JFK’s part for many years. So I can’t figure out how he could’ve made that Peace Speech at American U in June 1963-unless maybe he had a psychiatric disorder. Of course he was killed five and a half months later. Anyhow, thanks for the refresher. Posted by: tucenz | Aug 22 2022 10:55 utc | 158 Why do the peoples of such countries, as UK and Germany, hurrah and encourage their governments in policies which, apart from being prima facie foolish and misguided, Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 10:58 utc | 159 Posted by: C | Aug 22 2022 9:05 utc Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 11:01 utc | 160 I for one , am getting really pissed that my money is being sent to Ukraine , only to comeback and line red china joe’s pockets ,along with the other communists in congress. I’ve heard that over half the weapons are being sold to who knows. The nazis in Ukraine are probably going to bomb that nuclear power plant, and blame Putin. All this started with obozo and his masters. Posted by: Bringoutyourdead | Aug 22 2022 11:02 utc | 161 US has been eager and on the verge of dropping nuclear bombs on Russia since at least 1962 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 11:02 utc | 162 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/americas-cold-war-master-plan-nuke-russia-14714 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 11:03 utc | 163 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_plans_(1945–1950) Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 11:04 utc | 164 I have just read an interesting article in TASS. The Head of the RF Security Council Patrushev has made a clear statement that the USA is likely to default on its debt in the way it has defaulted on its debt with Russia. The USA national debt is $30 trillion (can’t even get my head around that figure) and for the EU it is 10 trillion. He predicted that, any country operating with the US$ or Euro is likely to have that money ‘stolen’ from them some time in the future. I believe it is so the USA does not have to default on its debt. He attributes the economic mess and this debt in both EU and USA to “the printing presses working in these countries” which I assume is referring to the excessive money printing during Covid. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 22 2022 11:05 utc | 165 Finally they found out why the US didn´t send heavier weapons to 404 earlier. It was because they underestimated the strength of the UAF.
Because they thought 404 was to weak they didn´t provide them w/ heavier weapons. Posted by: Goingo | Aug 22 2022 11:05 utc | 166 Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 10:58 utc | 258 Posted by: Goingo | Aug 22 2022 11:08 utc | 167 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Aug 22 2022 11:24 utc | 168 but to set a scenario where the USA can get its hands on the East’s (including Donbass) trillions of dollars worth of natural resources and also, to defeat, not weaken Russia so the USA can plunder the $73 trillion dollars of natural resources it has. Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 11:43 utc | 169 Russia should now designate ukraine as a “terrorist state” after the moscow assasination. Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 22 2022 11:48 utc | 170 Paul Greenwood | Aug 22 2022 10:58 utc | 258 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 11:50 utc | 171 rk | Aug 22 2022 11:43 utc | 269 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2022 11:53 utc | 172 The tragedy of the car bombing murder in Russia may derail any political attempt towards calling Russia terrorist or a terrorist supporter. Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 22 2022 11:56 utc | 173 It’s crumbling in the EU Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 11:57 utc | 175 Tass : Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 12:01 utc | 176 On August 21, after a remote-controlled explosion of the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado car Dugina was driving, Vovk and her daughter left through the Pskov Region to Estonia,” the FSB said. Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 12:04 utc | 177 The EU training mission for the preparation of the Armed Forces will be placed on the territory of one of the neighboring countries of the Union with Ukraine – Borrel. Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 12:04 utc | 178 @Melaleuca | Aug 22 2022 11:53 utc | 272 Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 12:11 utc | 179 Guernica | Aug 22 2022 2:00 utc | 166 Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 22 2022 12:15 utc | 180 Murder has been solved?? Unless the perpetrators(all of them) are behind bars or destroyed, the murder is far from solved. What kind of shady operation are these russians running?? Posted by: Comandante | Aug 22 2022 12:28 utc | 181 Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 12:04 utc | 278 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 12:29 utc | 182 Hassan@239….not without NATO weapons…….what they do have in spades though…..stupidity. Had it all, even the Donbas, traded it for a joker. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 22 2022 12:30 utc | 183 Seems it has been decided to destroy the nuclear plant rather than let Russia have it. Posted by: mi | Aug 22 2022 12:31 utc | 184 Posted by: Comandante | Aug 22 2022 12:28 utc | 260 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 12:36 utc | 185 Gerrard White @271 Posted by: aquileia | Aug 22 2022 12:40 utc | 186 “So far, Russian allied forces have secured at least $12.4 trillion worth of Ukraine’s energy deposits, metals and minerals. That figure includes over 63 percent of Ukraine’s coal deposits, 11 percent of its oil deposits, 20 percent of its natural gas deposits, 42 percent of its metals and 33 percent of its deposits of rare earth and other critical minerals including lithium.” Posted by: Blissex | Aug 22 2022 12:42 utc | 187 Posted by: Blissex | Aug 22 2022 12:42 utc | 229 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 12:46 utc | 188 «Greece and that trio’s rape of that nation» Posted by: Blissex | Aug 22 2022 12:55 utc | 189 Why would Darya Dugin be a target? surely it was Dugin (who is IMO insane) himself. Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 22 2022 13:01 utc | 190 aquileia | Aug 22 2022 12:40 utc | 196 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 13:08 utc | 191 aquileia | Aug 22 2022 12:40 utc | 196 Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 13:10 utc | 192 eu natgas Posted by: ptb | Aug 22 2022 13:11 utc | 193 unimperator | Aug 22 2022 12:29 utc | 224 Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 13:19 utc | 195 @all The US is China’s largest export market, unless they get the BRI up and running they are not going to do anything Posted by: abee | Aug 22 2022 13:24 utc | 197 Can anyone please suggest how I can access the Strategic Culture Foundation website? I live in the US, and have tried using a variety of browsers, including Yandex, with no success, all attempts are blocked. Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 22 2022 13:33 utc | 198 Thank you b for all you do. Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 22 2022 13:35 utc | 199 Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 13:37 utc | 200 |
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