Ukraine Open Thread 2022-135
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Posted by b on August 19, 2022 at 17:43 UTC | Permalink
next page »Another gas shutdown. Aug. 31-Sep 2. Wonder what prompted this?
Posted by: marinia | Aug 19 2022 18:34 utc | 2
marinia @2: "Wonder what prompted this?"
Perhaps Gazprom would not have to shut the flow down completely if the EU were not playing infantile games and thus the other pumping stations were operational.
Thanks to Republicofscotland for the link.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2022 18:44 utc | 3
In the last week there have been reports of many explosions at Russian ammunition dumps, airfields, and elsewhere, either in Russian held territory in Ukraine or even in Russia. If these are true, and it seems they may be, do these indicate that the weapons supplied Ukraine are now having more of an impact? Is the tide being held or even turning? The western MSM is howling for defeat as always. Pro Russian outlets continue to say victory is assured and imminent. Yet, the fog of war...on the one hand it seems we are facing the immediate collapse of the Ukrainian military and state. On the other, Russia cannot close the deal and is now falling behind. Now there seems to be an argument over what might happen to the nuclear plant and who is responsible. Evidence seems to show, clearly, it is the Ukrainians who are shelling the Russian-occupied plant, but so far this hasn't stopped the MSM from blaming Russia. Russia has now said, watch out, this is gonna be a false flag, maybe even this weekend, created by the West to blame Russia....
Interesting times....
Posted by: Boomheist | Aug 19 2022 18:58 utc | 4
Purposeful, massive, search for enemies among, it would seem, their own people means only one thing: the Kiev regime does not trust its own citizens. It is the beginning of the end.
By the way, all presidents, prime ministers, defense ministers etc of those countries that supply arms and ammunition to the Ukraine are Nazis, period!
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 19:09 utc | 5
By now, 25 ships have left Ukraine`s harbours, yet, the "Black Sea Grain Initiative Joint Coordination Centre" has now removed the exit harbour as well as the destination from their stats.
https://www.un.org/en/black-sea-grain-initiative/vessel-movements
... it was sort of embarrassing that the first twelve ships carried now wheat and were not going to Africa either. Gut feeling says, the UN got some call to remove this info.
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 19 2022 19:12 utc | 6
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction to this hazardous shelling of the Zaporizhia power plant. Wouldn't it be reasonable to state: If a meltdown happens as a result of this shelling, we will consider this as a nuclear attack on Russia, with due consequences for those who are responsible, that is: in Washington?
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
On the maintenance of the gas compressor unit at the Portovaya compressor station.On 31/08/2022, the only working Trent 60 gas compressor unit will be shut down for three days for maintenance and preventive maintenance.
A set of routine maintenance under the current maintenance contract will be carried out jointly with Siemens specialists.
In accordance with the technical documentation of Siemens, every 1000 hours it is necessary to carry out maintenance of the unit, which includes: inspection of the casing for cracks, dents, deformations, burn marks, cleaning of the casing; inspection of oil supply systems, air, removal of combustion gases for leaks, broaching of connections and elimination of causes of leaks; Checking the operation of safety valves and adjusting the air flow control system.
For the maintenance period of the GPA Trent 60 DLE from 31/08/2022 to 02/09/2022, gas transportation through the Nord Stream gas pipeline will be suspended for three days.
Upon completion of work and the absence of technical malfunctions of the unit, gas transportation will be restored to the level of 33 million cubic meters per day.
- Gazprom
Note: Upon completion of work and the absence of technical malfunctions of the unit...
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 8
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction...
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
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Well, that's exactly what's expected from non-Russians. More they don't understand the Russians, more the panic.
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 19:21 utc | 9
... By the way, all presidents, prime ministers, defense ministers etc of those countries that supply arms and ammunition to the Ukraine are Nazis, period!
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 19:09 utc | 5
Yes, if you support nazis and fascists then you are a nazi and a fascist.
(tm) Arganthonios.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 19 2022 19:24 utc | 10
Siemens, as a joke, suggests creating a Spotify playlist for the stranded gas turbine.
Considering that the entire problem has its origins on another continent, I suggest “Idiot Wind” by Bob Dylan.
“From the Grand Coulee Dam to [Washington D.C.]...”
Posted by: NotNow | Aug 19 2022 19:29 utc | 11
21 ships have left Ukraine between August 1st and 15th. Only one went to Africa with 20k MT of wheat. That`s 4 % of all goods shipped and we see how eager Ukraine is to get all these 20 Mio MT of wheat out of Ukraine and help the building food crisis ...
https://www.un.org/en/black-sea-grain-initiative/progress-report-15-august-2022
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 19 2022 19:32 utc | 12
It should be noted that on spot exchanges in Europe, gas prices have broken through the mark of $2,500. According to conservative estimates, if the trend continues, prices will exceed $4,000 per 1,000 cubic meters in winter.
- Gazprom
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 19:36 utc | 13
Usage and Demand would ramp up into and during the winter. Reserve are actually have to be reserve even if it's only just to keep domestic energy costs stable during shortage or delayed foreign supplies.
If they're starting to consume their reserve instead of keeping or building them up then they really are in much more trouble than they show.
Btw there's the story of France securing gas in Africa. What's with that?
Posted by: Lucci | Aug 19 2022 19:50 utc | 14
@Boomheist #4
Short answer: hell no
The work is clearly that of a sabotage team. Whether it is a deep cover one in Crimea or a team landed there recently doesn't matter.
Nor has the impact been significant in any way.
This is more of the usual Twitter war nonsense that Ukraine seems to focus on, as opposed to actual military effort.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2022 19:53 utc | 15
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction to this hazardous shelling of the Zaporizhia power plant. Wouldn't it be reasonable to state: If a meltdown happens as a result of this shelling, we will consider this as a nuclear attack on Russia, with due consequences for those who are responsible, that is: in Washington?
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
1) RK | Aug 19 2022 19:21 utc | 9 ... is right!
2) Why do you believe that the nuclear power plant will be hit? I mean the vital parts of the plant.
3) To hit the vital part(s) would be a crime against humanity. I am almost sure that Kiev can not allow itself to be accused of such a crime, for dispite all propaganda and lies, it will be understood that the Russians have no reason to do that when they are winning.
Posted by: Olivier | Aug 19 2022 19:57 utc | 16
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction...
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
Well, if eliminating some 1000 AFU soldiers/day is moderate reaction... what are you asking for?
Posted by: Olivier | Aug 19 2022 20:03 utc | 17
Sevastopol shot down 7 drones so far, today. Seems Vicky is angry.
Also, White Helmets false flag incoming in Syria. More on Tass
Posted by: rk | Aug 19 2022 20:05 utc | 18
Do you want to be the chancellor who led Germany to ruin?
There is resistance to the self-destructive sanctions policy of the German federal government:
In an open letter, the Halle-Saalekreis district trade association in Saxony-Anhalt calls on Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) to stop all sanctions against Russia and to start negotiations to end the war. The craftsmen ask the chancellor, for example: "Do you really want to sacrifice your country for Ukraine?" Finally, the signatories would learn from the citizens "that the vast majority is not willing to sacrifice their hard-earned standard of living for Ukraine". That is "not our war either!" and in the case of Ukraine "one cannot speak of a flawless democratic state". A realistic assessment of the situation is also a prerequisite for starting diplomatic negotiations to end the war: “Nobody can seriously believe that Russia will give up Crimea. Anyone who makes that a condition for negotiations has no interest in an early end to the war."
Reproduction of the letter verbatim here:
https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=87080
Posted by: Weimar | Aug 19 2022 20:09 utc | 19
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (08192022)
As a result of the offensive actions of the Allied forces in the Kharkiv region on August 14, 2022, units of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated near the settlement of Udy. Under the onslaught of Russian troops, the remnants of the compound escaped from their positions and left this settlement. To prevent panic and intimidate the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the nationalists of the armed formation "Kraken" demonstratively shot 100 servicemen of the 58th Motorized infantry Brigade who left their positions.
High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the temporary deployment points of the units of the nationalist formations "Azov" in the area of Nikolaevka and "Aidar" in the area of Soledar of the Donetsk People's Republic. More than 50 nationalists were destroyed, as well as 12 pieces of military equipment. In the area of Dorozhnyanka settlement of the Zaporozhye region, a warehouse of weapons and military equipment of the 65th mechanized brigade was hit by a high-precision strike. More than 15 armored and automotive vehicles were destroyed.
As a result of a concentrated fire strike on the positions of the 14th mechanized brigade in the area of the settlement of Stary Saltov, Kharkiv region, irretrievable and sanitary losses of the enemy amounted to more than 100 people.
During the day, six control points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit, including the 115th mechanized brigade in the area of the settlement of Artemovsk of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 247 districts. Four warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Kurakhovo and Dachnoye of the Donetsk People's Republic, Belaya Krynitsa of the Kherson region and Zaliman of the Kharkiv region, as well as an M777 howitzer manufactured by the United States near the settlement of Primorskoye of the Zaporozhye region.
As part of the counter-battery struggle, two platoons of multiple launch rocket systems "SMERCH" were suppressed in the areas of Vasyukovka of the Donetsk People's Republic and Orekhov of the Zaporozhye region and a platoon of self-propelled artillery installations "Gvozdika" in the area of Dzerzhinsk. Also hit: two platoons of multiple launch rocket systems "Grad" in the areas of the settlements of Mayaki and Soledar, two platoons of guns "Hyacinth-B", as well as three platoons of D-30 howitzers in firing positions in the areas of the settlements of Kodema, Yakovlevka, Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Novoaleksandrovka of the Kherson region and Dobroye of the Mykolaiv region.
Russian air defense shot down 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Chervoniy Shakhter, Small Passages, Kamenka, Dolgenkoe, Sukhaya Kamenka, Novoosinovo, Starch Kharkiv region and Lyubomirovka Mykolaiv region. In addition, the following were intercepted: a Tochka-U ballistic missile in the area of the settlement of Yubileynoye, 12 shells of the Haimars multiple launch rocket system in the area of Novaya Kakhovka, Kherson region, two projectiles of the multiple launch rocket system in the areas of the settlements of Topolskoye and Suligovka, Kharkiv region, as well as two anti-radar missiles manufactured by the United States in the area of settlements the settlements of Alchevsk and Stakhanov of the Luhansk People's Republic.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1770 unmanned aerial vehicles, 366 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4347 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 807 multiple rocket launchers, 3315 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4958 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: Summary | Aug 19 2022 20:24 utc | 20
Boomheist | Aug 19 2022 18:58 utc | 4 "On the other, Russia cannot close the deal and is now falling behind."
What is this deal Russia cannot close? How is Russia falling behind?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 20:30 utc | 21
It's cute that the neoconned West is pretending not to understand why Putin doesn't want IAEA inspectors anywhere near the NPP. He may have to call it by its proper name, the Iran Atomic Energy Agency, before they 'get the message'.
Iran is the only country whose nuke facilites have been 'inspected' by the IAEA. It's a sick Western joke from the same playbook which entitles the West to spell al CIA-duh as al Qaeda.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19 2022 20:32 utc | 22
@RK (5) ” By the way, all presidents, prime ministers, defense ministers etc of those countries that supply arms and ammunition to the Ukraine are Nazis, period!”
Let’s not get carried away. They may be sympathetic to or have common cause with Nazis, but that does not make them Nazis in the strictest sense of the word.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 19 2022 20:35 utc | 23
@Boomheist (4) As the Ukrainian army gets demolished, their side is adopting guerrilla tactics. No doubt, they are receiving assistance from western sources. It is quite possible that Russia will have to deal with a hit and run guerrilla army for years to come.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 19 2022 20:41 utc | 24
“It is obvious that the US doesn’t want Ukraine to win the war,” said Andrey*, a Ukrainian journalist based in Mykolayiv. “They only want to make Russia weak. No one will win this war, but the countries the US is using like a playground will lose. And the corruption related to the war aid is shocking. The weapons are stolen, the humanitarian aid is stolen, and we have no idea where the billions sent to this country have gone.”
Another excellent article.
Posted by: Zet | Aug 19 2022 20:42 utc | 25
I wonder if the continued criminal practice by Kiev of targeting power plants and dams will result in a reciprocal response from Russia?
People in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones, after all Kiev itself sits behind a massive dam.
Prophetic words of a deceased Ukrainian monk, “There will be boats in Kiev.”
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Aug 19 2022 20:46 utc | 26
Weimar @19--
I blame Merkle for stopping NS2. If not for that, Germany and EU would have plenty of gas to buy in rubles at much lower rates.
Let’s not get carried away. They may be sympathetic to or have common cause with Nazis, but that does not make them Nazis in the strictest sense of the word.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 19 2022 20:35 utc | 23
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So, tells us which president, prime minister and the defense minister of which unfriendly country is not a Nazi?
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 21:00 utc | 28
#19 Weimar
Machine translation of the open brief.
Emphasize mine
A bit long but necessary from a German pdf.... 😉
Mr. Federal Chancellor,
First of all, we would like to emphasize that Russia's attack on Ukraine is a clear violation of Article 2 of the UN Charter and that we consider it a serious crime which we criticize and we condemn.
But the truth is also that this war did not start on February 24, 2022. But it is not the purpose of this letter to explain this in detail.
We are legitimately concerned. Concerns for the future of our children and grandchildren, concerns for the sustainability of our companies, for our country.On December 8, 2021, you have promised to prevent any harm to the German people. We appeal to your
honor: keep this oath!As craftsmen, we know from conversations with our customers that a large majority of them are not willing to sacrifice their hard-earned standard of living for Ukraine. And also this is not our war!
In 2002, a member of your party, Peter Struck, declared that Germany's security was assured in the Hindu Kushl [Afghanistan]. No one can doubt that this turned out to be a misjudgment.
Is Germany's security now defended in Ukraine? No, 20 years later it is the same mistake again.According to a publication of Transparency International Deutschland e.V., Ukraine was in 20th place in the global corruption ranking in 2015. No other European country is ranked so low in corruption. So Ukraine can in no way be considered a flawless democratic state. And you want to put Germany at risk for this?
Germany is in turmoil. Prices are rising at such a rate that "Otto Normalverdiener "* will soon be unable to pay his living expenses. Even necessary handicraft services will become unaffordable, which will lead to lay-offs and closures of companies.
Do you want to be the chancellor who led Germany to ruin?
Are you ready to sacrifice your country for Ukraine?
Aid packages are being put together on a continuous basis, with no regard for the consequences for
for future generations. It makes one dizzy when one sees the billions and
billions and billions of debt that your government is taking on. Everything, of course, always with a corresponding argumentation, why it does not go differently. However, you are only trying to
to fight the symptoms, you do not change the causes.
That is not a sustainable policy!
We therefore demand from you:
1. immediate stop of all sanctions against Russia
The prerequisite is a realistic assessment of the situation. No one can seriously believe
that Russia will renounce Crimea. Anyone who makes that a condition for negotiations has no interest in an early end of the war.
3.
All political decisions must be examined in terms of their benefit for the German people - just
as you have sworn to do.
Dear Chancellor, we are making this urgent appeal to you because the situation is very serious, more serious than it has ever been in our country since the end of the war. We are not talking about
1 or 2°C less room temperature or whether swimming pools have to lower their water temperature.
Why don't you?
Recently, our local press said that fever juice for children is hard to come by. We do not think that these are the goals of your policy. But they are the effects of it.
Change your direction, for the sake of the Fatherland*.
*The original letter is about "Heimat". I don't know how and if I can translate for you, guys
"Home, sweet Home"
Posted by: Weimar | Aug 19 2022 21:03 utc | 29
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
Maybe Vlad will put his hat on backwards!
Posted by: Oscar De Low Renta | Aug 19 2022 21:04 utc | 30
I blame Merkle for stopping NS2. If not for that, Germany and EU would have plenty of gas to buy in rubles at much lower rates.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2022 20:58 utc | 27
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Why?
There's no real reason for Germany to prosper...after the genocidal WW2 unleashed on the world by them. Neither does the EU, which is becoming more like Hitler's Nazi-land. It was Hitler, who wanted a common regime and common money with Germans as the superior race.
Why shouldn't the German economy, industry fall?
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:07 utc | 31
RT reports that Putin is now in charge of the UK economy:
"Blame Putin for economic failings – UK chancellor: Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak should pin the blame for soaring prices on the Russian President, Nadhim Zahawi reportedly said."
Yet another spin on Russiagate. This puke must think the UK public is as dumb as rocks. Soon they'll say Putin sired Margaret Thatcher and told her how to destroy the UK economy, and then he sired Tony Blair and told him to make himself a war criminal by invading Iraq. And I'm sure the UK pukes can dream up even more crap to blame on Putin instead of themselves.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 19 2022 20:35 utc | 23
A few minutes alone with me and they will admit the charge.
Posted by: RuPaul Simon LeGree | Aug 19 2022 21:09 utc | 33
rp @30--
The current generation of Germans including our host had zero, zip, nada to do with Hitler, so why do you want to persecute them for that? You're likely from one of the Plundering Nations, why should you merit anything good based on what your nation's done? You need to take your hatred to a mirror and gaze into it.
@ Karlof1 #27
I can't blame Merkel.
She did not stop NS2.
She just tried to buy time.
As you know, German chancellor is always about maintaining coalitions.
And for a while, the worms are in the apple.
And, thanks to Merkel, Schroeder and Putin.... NS2 is ready to deliver Russian gas to Germany. Some trap?
I tried to post a full translation of the German letters, probably too much and that didn't work. I will try to cut it in two. Sorry, really interesting when coming from the real economy makers.
Posted by: Weimar | Aug 19 2022 21:11 utc | 35
These Ukrainian "Heros" are the biggest POS humans on the plannet. They spend years dressed up as soldiers while they terrorize the public, when other soldiers show up they strip down hide like cowards and terrorize thier own people who they refused to protect.
Zero honor
zero courage
Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 19 2022 21:13 utc | 36
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction...
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
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Well, that's exactly what's expected from non-Russians. More they don't understand the Russians, more the panic.
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 19:21 utc | 9
I don't really understand the Russian's extreme patience either, but I'm certainly not in a panic over it. I am aware that there's apparently differences between say an SMO and an all out war. And I am more than happy to learn why Russia does what it does.
I do wish though that the Russians would speed up the spanking of Ukraine a bit so they could then move on to the US and NATO. Will be nice to see Daddy Rus take the belt off and give these spoiled NATO children a good whipping.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 19 2022 21:19 utc | 37
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2022 21:11 utc | 33
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Do the current Germans supply the Ukraine with arms and munition? Do the Russians and Russian-speaking other people get killed by those munitions? 7+ decades after the WW2? Who is pushing the Russo-hate? Why is Poland still demanding reparation from Germany?
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:21 utc | 38
“Regardless of what the Kremlin says, Crimea is not part of Russia. Please see United Nations resolution 68/262,” [A comment to RT today: US on verge of directly joining Ukrainian conflict – Moscow].
My response:
“In Kosovo, a group of states intervened [under the auspice of the US and NATO*] without seeking authority from the United Nations Security Council…”
“State sovereignty, in its most basic sense, is being redefined—not least by the forces of globalization and international co-operation [NATO *]. States are now widely understood to be instruments at the service of their peoples, and not vice versa. At the same time individual sovereignty—by which I mean the fundamental freedom of each individual, enshrined in the charter of the UN and subsequent international treaties—has been enhanced by a renewed and spreading consciousness of individual rights. When we read the charter today, we are more than ever conscious that its aim is to protect individual human beings, not to protect those who abuse them.”
Kofi Annan [Concerning Kosovo and Serbia 1999*].
Under pressure from the US and some NATO countries, and without permission from the UN, the US and NATO bombed Serbia and Serbian areas in of control in Kosovo. The purpose was to allow those (mostly Muslims) to declare that they did not want to be ruled by Serbia and wanted to be independent nation. What Kofi Annan (again under pressure from the US and NATO) is saying is that he agrees that the insistence of people to seek independence from a bigger government, though not the general view in the past, is now acceptable grounds for a foreign military intervention by other countries to help an oppressed people gain such independence on the grounds of human rights abuse. So, the people of Crimea and the Donbass have registered their desire to leave Ukraine after the 2014 US sponsored coup, and a growing list of human rights violations that persisted for eight years. The people requested help from the Russian Federation in accordance with the UN protocols and standards established by the UN in 1999. President Putin is playing by the rules that the US/NATO demanded in 1999 for Kosovo.
[*] added by Guernica.
Tolstoy censors rejected my comment.
Posted by: Guernica | Aug 19 2022 21:23 utc | 39
I don't really understand the Russian's extreme patience either, but I'm certainly not in a panic over it. I am aware that there's apparently differences between say an SMO and an all out war. And I am more than happy to learn why Russia does what it does.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 19 2022 21:19 utc | 36
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Well, you'd have to ask yourself, who won the WW2 against Nazi Germany? Was it USSR, or US or UK, or US and UK? When you find the answer to that, you'd start understanding why Russia is doing what it does.
Posted by: RK | Aug 19 2022 21:26 utc | 40
Posted by: Marianne Dashwood | Aug 19 2022 21:13 utc | 35
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Then read this
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https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=87080
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 19 2022 21:27 utc | 41
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 19 2022 21:27 utc | 40
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Can you translate it? Thanks
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:30 utc | 42
".. there's the story of France securing gas in Africa. What's with that?" Lucci@14
France + Africa= Robbery
"...It is quite possible that Russia will have to deal with a hit and run guerrilla army for years to come." Rob@24
That is certainly the US plan but it depends on actual sustained popular sympathy with the guerrillas to succeed. And that is unlikely. In the Donbas, for example, any supporters of Kievan fascism are extremely unpopular, they could not sustain a guerrilla force. The real public support for the Kievan regime comes from abroad, the descendants of the Bandera collaborators. And from the oligarchs who are stealing everything in Ukraine. Neither could provide anything more than money and propaganda to a fascist guerrilla, which, if you think about it is a contradiction in terms: fascists don't seek popular support and they invariably gravitate towards the established powers, they laugh at the 'idealism' of those who resist them and struggle against the odds.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 19 2022 21:36 utc | 43
Why shouldn't the German economy, industry fall?
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:07 utc | 30
The conditions imposed on Germany at the end of WWI led directly to the rise of Hitler and WWII.
Feuding hillbilly mindset, reparations, revenge, vengeance ect does not bring peace. In many ways, the way in which the word 'justice' is used makes it no different from the word 'revenge'.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 21:36 utc | 44
Gepostet von: rp | 19. August 2022 21:30 UTC | 41
Do you want to be the chancellor who ruined Germany?
The Halle-Saalekreis district trade association in Saxony-Anhalt has called on Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) to stop all sanctions against Russia. In an open letter that was available to the editorial network Germany (RND/Thursday), the craftsmen also called for negotiations to end the war against Ukraine.
As craftsmen, we know from many conversations with our customers that the vast majority is not willing to sacrifice their hard-earned standard of living for Ukraine. It's not our war either!", it says, and: "Do you want to be the chancellor who drove Germany to ruin. Do you really want to sacrifice your country?”
The district craftsman criticized Russia's attack on Ukraine as a serious crime and "a clear violation of Article 2 of the UN Charter". However, they are "worried about the future of our children and grandchildren, worried about the continued existence of our businesses, worried about our country".
In addition, one cannot speak of a flawless democratic state in Ukraine. The craftsmen refer to a publication by Transparency International, in which the country took 122nd place in corruption in 2021 - no other European country did worse. "And you want to put Germany at risk for that?" criticize the 16 signatories from all guilds.
If prices continue to rise, the "average earner" will soon no longer be able to pay for his living. Then even normal, necessary manual work would become unaffordable, which in turn would lead to layoffs and the closure of companies. (
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 19 2022 21:39 utc | 45
That Saxon Anhalte letter.. All the signatories are from Halle... That's the former DDR right.. Perhaps some of that 'unsere freund' vibe lingers still in some parts??
Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Aug 19 2022 21:44 utc | 46
The UN Secretary General urged Russia not to disconnect the Zaporozhye NPP from the energy system of Ukraine.
"Electricity from Zaporozhye is Ukrainian electricity," Guterres said.
I don’t remember the calls of the UN Secretary General such as “the foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation are Russian reserves.”
Or "oil from Syrian fields is Syrian oil." 🤔
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:47 utc | 47
smth going on in EU gas markets - sudden spike up
https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futures/data?marketId=5429405
Posted by: ptb | Aug 19 2022 21:48 utc | 48
Posted by: Boomheist | Aug 19 2022 18:58 utc | 4
Russian ammo dumps have been blown up, and it has accelerated recently. But consider that we hear endlessly about every Russian ammo dump blown up, while to count Ukrainian ammo dumps blown up one has to dig into MoD reports or the nightly cavalcade of Russian missile strike videos. Realistically, the ration of ammo dump explosions tilts heavily in Russia’s favor.
Slow is because it’s a still outnumbered force of militias doing the ground combat and trying very hard to limit casualties. The two Donbas republics are under full mobilization. Granted, the slower it goes the greater the danger for russia. But that’s apparently a calculated risk russia is willing to take right now. If the goal is demilitarization, then destroying it all is a very good solution. The Iraqi insurgency was as strong as it was because the US went around/through the Iraqi army to make Baghdad quickly. Maybe part of Russia’s thinking is to avoid that.
Posted by: Lex | Aug 19 2022 21:50 utc | 49
"Electricity from Zaporozhye is Ukrainian electricity," Guterres said.
"Ah but it's our now, Fat Boy", said Putin.
Posted by: PutinSpokesman | Aug 19 2022 21:50 utc | 50
Hall yes east.
In the East, 95% think so...
Make no mistake about what's really going on on the streets in Germany!!!
Demos booing from Chancellor Scholz Habeck with yelling from Demos chase.
Hardly any medium outside of the regional reports about it. Nationwide, people tend to keep silent about it
Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt has never been easy for political failures, see Corona
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 19 2022 21:52 utc | 51
Tip:
Telegram : Free Saxons
Auf Deutsch : Freie Sachsen
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 19 2022 21:55 utc | 52
Rob #24
No doubt, they are receiving assistance from western sources. It is quite possible that Russia will have to deal with a hit and run guerrilla army for years to come.
I assume the west will receive equal treatment in response. The nazi clearances will likely need to follow a similar course as they did in 1945. Perhaps the west will outlaw assembly and promotion of nazi ideology yet.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 19 2022 21:56 utc | 53
Peter AU1 #43
The conditions imposed on Germany at the end of WWI led directly to the rise of Hitler and WWII.Feuding hillbilly mindset, reparations, revenge, vengeance ect does not bring peace. In many ways, the way in which the word 'justice' is used makes it no different from the word 'revenge'.
Tell that to Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken et al but don't waste your time telling Joe Biden.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 19 2022 22:01 utc | 54
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 19 2022 21:19 utc | 36
But Russia is spanking NATO already. It’s demilitarizing “new Europe” (the most aggressive members) directly and the big boys indirectly. Someone here did a great service and detailed that the US has 2.7M rounds of artillery shells and can only produce 250K/year. We’re giving a lot of our stock away. Russia is firing 60-80K/day and shows no signs of needing to slow up. It seems all of France’s active Caesars have gone to Ukraine.
Russian patience is pretty amazing though. Right now may be partly so that the militias and volunteers take the territory of the republics rather than the Russian army. Their second great patriotic war sort of thing. That said, I’m not arguing that everything has or is going according to plan. I’m sure the kremlin would prefer this to go faster too. But forcing it is when you’re most likely to make mistakes.
Posted by: Lex | Aug 19 2022 22:03 utc | 55
uncle tungsten | Aug 19 2022 22:01 utc | 53
Those types are habitual criminals that need either putting down or locked up for life. Personally I don't see much point in feeding them for the remainder of their natural lives.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 22:25 utc | 57
It is quite possible that Russia will have to deal with a hit and run guerrilla army for years to come.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 19 2022 20:41 utc | 24
Who is going to fight in this guérilla army? Russian speaking Ukrainians, whose language was forbidden, political parties made illegal, media shutdown? I can only imagine sabotage terrorist squads of limited number. Guérilla requires support of local population.
Posted by: RB | Aug 19 2022 22:28 utc | 58
I am told that yesterday, 18.8.2022, Russia destroyed the palace of culture of the railway workers of 1935 in Kharkow, an impressive and beautiful modernist building. As always there is no background and no reason why it was destroyed.
Who knows more? Thank you!
Posted by: njet | Aug 19 2022 22:31 utc | 59
It about this building:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32224170@N03/3680771213/in/photostream/
Posted by: njet | Aug 19 2022 22:36 utc | 60
What if the Americans invented a new super duper weapon called Armageddon Lights Out Mission Accomplished that fires liquid pellets of sleeping gas in its warhead that knocks the enemy out cold for 72 hours . . . . . would the Ukies still remain in their bunkers? I mean you can't see much from a bunker unless you have a periscope.
The Kherson Offensive when defence or retreat are the UAF's modus operandi was a lip service pipedream.
Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 19 2022 22:40 utc | 61
The demolition of the palace of culture:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8d4awu
Posted by: njet | Aug 19 2022 22:42 utc | 62
Those types are habitual criminals that need either putting down or locked up for life. Personally I don't see much point in feeding them for the remainder of their natural lives.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 22:25 utc | 57
So what difference is there in your statement about US leaders to RP's about Germany? Just saying. I think most of us here want peace but also feel good about the USUK and allies getting their butts kicked.
I think the people do have to suffer, leaders are a dime a dozen can be replaced in a minute by the PTB, it's only when the so called victims discover that we actually hold the power that things can change. But for now we in the west are in the main still comfortable and asleep.
While I fully support Russia and Putin I do not believe that we in the west will be saved by them. The best we can hope for is a drastic enough change in material conditions that will motivate the masses.
Posted by: K | Aug 19 2022 22:48 utc | 63
@Posted by: ptb | Aug 19 2022 21:48 utc | 47
Russia announced that they will be shutting down NS1 for 3 days at the beginning of September for "maintenance", 3 days of Europeans pulling gas from storage rather than refilling storage.
Seems the Russians have a. nasty sense of humour and a certain subtlety in slowly turning the screws....
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-gazprom-nord-stream-repairs/31996288.html
K | Aug 19 2022 22:48 utc | 64
This is RP's reasoning. "There's no real reason for Germany to prosper...after the genocidal WW2 unleashed on the world by them."
As to the rest of your comment I agree. The populations in general in the west need a wakeup call and neither Russia nor China in any way wishes to take on the self proclaimed status of world policeman.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:00 utc | 65
njet@60.... temporary deployment of the Foreign Legion, killed over 130 many more wounded. Shame they take refugee in historic buildings....all's fair....it is a war zone.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2022 23:06 utc | 66
Roger | Aug 19 2022 22:59 utc | 65
Will be interesting to see what happens there. Siemens compressors and I take it spare parts sanctioned, operational turbine requiring 1000 hour maintenance shut down... until it requires rebuild or spare parts.
Russia has a thing about not breaking contracts be it supplying gas or German contracts for compressor maintenance. It seems Germany has to go outside the contracts to service the compressors for a sanction workaround but get met with nyet.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:10 utc | 67
karlof1@31...'dumb as rocks'?????dumber.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2022 23:14 utc | 68
rp @37--
I'll assume you're mature enough to realize that ordinary Germans have zero say in their nation's policy choices. A recent poll here in the Outlaw US Empire shows the majority opposes Biden's foreign policy, but does that alter anything? The systems involved are Oligarchies and they don't give a damn what the small people think. And I think you know that too. I just wrote and published a pair of essays that examines what's at the root of it all, what drives the Plunder that's been ongoing for Centuries. Currently, there's a mass of nations forming together to fight the Plundering nations. In other words, the genuine, actual war is global and has existed for many generations; Ukraine is just one of several current battle fronts.
Today, Strategic Culture published an editorial, "Has WWIII Started?". From my perspective as a historian, WW1 is still unfinished. Earlier in European history there was a series of wars that were later linked together by historians and called the Hundred Years War. Rome had a series of wars lasting almost 1,000 years before it finally collapsed. Many point to the fact that the Outlaw US Empire has been at war for close to its entire existence, 1607-2022 makes 415 years. The European Plundering of the world, which one can call a war, has several potential starting dates when the Crusades are included. Billy Joel wrote a song saying We didn't start the fire; it's always been going on. But back to the editorial as it concludes with the point I want to explore:
"Incredibly, it seems, the same vile political and economic forces that created two previous world wars are salivating again. And they are unleashing their apocalyptic desires with the same lies and self-righteous deceptions." [My Emphasis]
Why is it always assumed that people know what the bolded entities are? Why are they never called out? If they aren't named, how can people attack them and force them to change or defeat them? The editor's correct to say the Bidens, Trumps, Obamas, Bojos, etc., of the West are mere figureheads, but no more names are provided. Deep State is too vague as is Elites. What/who is it that forces Germany to do as you describe? NATO, Brussels again are too vague. Here's one that I know for a fact is involved: Queen Elizabeth II. But there are more, many more. And if I knew, I certainly wouldn't withhold those names. We know how they act and what they do by the actions undertaken and results. Trump famously tried to declare himself a Decider, but he clearly wasn't because of the many decisions he made that were never carried out--the Commander in Chief was overruled, a theoretical impossibility as the Chain of Command ends with POTUS. But it clearly doesn't. Who, whom outrank POTUS? Prouty described a lot in his Secret Team but was unable to name the names that mattered.
I suspect it's something like SPECTRE as described in the first series of Bond books and films, Dr. No, Goldfinger, Thunderball, but tied to the Plundering Nations, not an independent organization. Until we learn who runs the show, we are at a disadvantage. The Swamp can be drained, but the crocs and gators we want won't be in there. Assange is a threat because he seemed to know who some of those vile people are. Perhaps he does. I know #6 was on our side, but he got no further than Control. I'd like to think the Russians and Chinese know; but if they do, they're not sharing.
@ Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:00 utc | 66 who wrote
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The populations in general in the west need a wakeup call and neither Russia nor China in any way wishes to take on the self proclaimed status of world policeman.
"
That is one of the difficult parts of this civilization war. The need to take down a bully system but not replace it with such. To the degree that Russia and China are walking that line, they deserve the utmost respect. As can be seen from other barflys, the expectation in the West is for empire to be replaced by another bully/system.....the public focused win-win/multi-polar paradigm is unknown to them and they don't believe at this point it can exist in spite of China's and other nation's (Cuba) example.
Can humanity exit outside the Might-Makes-Right paradigm? It looks to me like 85% of our species want to try.
Ukraine is providing another example to the world of the anti-humanistic structure and ongoing aggression and control of the global private finance led West. Russia may end up with just a buffer against further aggression but I believe that the efforts of Russia in Ukraine and China in Taiwan will bring an end to bully empire....how long that end takes is another scenario...
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2022 23:22 utc | 70
thanks everyone...
@ Weimar | Aug 19 2022 20:09 utc | 19 - thanks for that...
@ Summary | Aug 19 2022 20:24 utc | 20
thanks.. i find myself relying on military summary channel for a lot of the current updates...
@ ptb | Aug 19 2022 21:48 utc | 47.. thanks ptb.. it's good to follow that closely..
@ lex, peter au, sean the leprechaun and some others.. thanks for your posts and response to others here..
here is stones ukraine on fire for anyone who wants to watch it - on rumble...
https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:27 utc | 71
dang.. made a long post and included 'ukraine on fire' in a rumble link.. not sure, but maybe b will release it from the cue later.. check back around this spot..
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:28 utc | 72
@ Weimar | Aug 19 2022 20:09 utc | 19
thanks.. i am unable to copy and paste the actual letter into google translate, but wish i could...
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:31 utc | 73
This is RP's reasoning. "There's no real reason for Germany to prosper...after the genocidal WW2 unleashed on the world by them."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:00 utc | 66
That's not how i read RP's post. I thought it meant that the same people are in charge as back then so nothing is essentially different. They are still currently complicit in unleashing WW3.
Posted by: K | Aug 19 2022 23:32 utc | 74
karlof1 | Aug 19 2022 23:22 utc | 70 The unnamed
I don't think its a matter so much about individuals, but rather a culture. A culture amongst the anglo elite, anglo's being at the top of the dunghill but also through what Kissinger terms as westphalia. "By their deeds you will know them"
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:39 utc | 75
For: Roger, and others:
Expensive pieces of machinery are Insured, by respectable global institutions, like Zürich and a dozen of others. The requirements include fullfilling of prescribed Maintenance and NDT (Non Destructive Testing) or NDE procedures.
Without these being religiously followed, Especially under sanctions - the certification is in jeopardy. And the Insurer withdraws. So, this is not some kind of games the Russians are playing. They Follow The Rules - written into the papers before the sanctions. The game playing is with the other side - trying to press the refurbished RollsRoyce axial compressor. The "machinative West" wants Russians to accept the turbine unit Without Complete Documentation - technical and legal (sanctions at play).
Posted by: LogosApplied | Aug 19 2022 23:40 utc | 76
if this idiot had of said something about the syrian wheat or oil fields, not to mention a host of other shit, i could take him a bit more seriously.. but no... impossible to take this shit seriously... did he mention anything about cutting the water to crimea back in 2014?
The Water Crisis in Crimea – Analysis from april 2020
"UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres appealed to the Russian authorities with a request not to disconnect the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant from the Ukrainian power grid.
"Obviously, the electricity from the Zaporozhye NPP is Ukrainian. The Ukrainian people need it, especially during the winter period," Guterres said.
ZNPP and its electricity is now Russian. It does not belong to Ukraine. The sooner Ukraine is turned off, the better. And clearly convey that this is retribution for the terrorism of the Zelensky gang."
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:40 utc | 77
it is kind of hopeless when a post gets caught up in the cue... fortunately it doesn't happen very often..
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:42 utc | 78
I'll assume you're mature enough to realize that ordinary Germans have zero say in their nation's policy choices. A recent poll here in the Outlaw US Empire shows the majority opposes Biden's foreign policy, but does that alter anything? The systems involved are Oligarchies and they don't give a damn what the small people think.
Nope! during covid most of the German public were quite happy for the government to bully, harrass and vilify unvaxxed protesters or just protesters in general.
As they were in many countries but not as violent as in Germany. Australia was pretty bad too but the PTB pulled back from that level of violence.
The ordinary people actually do have the say, by virtue of overwhelming numbers, we just don't know it yet. first we must overcome our need to fight other ordinary people over stupid issues that have been planted by the PTB. If we keep saying that we don't have any power like small children, how will it ever change?
Posted by: K | Aug 19 2022 23:43 utc | 79
@ K | Aug 19 2022 23:43 utc | 79
right on k... thanks..
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2022 23:47 utc | 80
@ K | Aug 19 2022 23:43 utc | 79 who wrote
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first we must overcome our need to fight other ordinary people over stupid issues that have been planted by the PTB.
"
I agree except the "need to fight" part. That "need to fight" is a manufactured response....why is violence normalized in media?
Thanks for restating the obvious about the power of the masses and our current reluctance to demand a more humanistic world.....the shit show continues until it doesn't
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2022 0:07 utc | 81
A US Neo-Nazi has admitted that the CIA sent him to the Ukraine to fight in the Banderite "Azov" battalion:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Boneface_1908:6
Posted by: Nate | Aug 20 2022 0:14 utc | 82
Posted by: K | Aug 19 2022 23:43 utc | 79
The ordinary people actually do have the say, by virtue of overwhelming numbers, we just don't know it yet. first we must overcome our need to fight other ordinary people over stupid issues that have been planted by the PTB. If we keep saying that we don't have any power like small children, how will it ever change?
The tamer knows that the lion is stronger. Also the audience knows. The problem is that the lion doesn't know. (reverse translated from Terry Eagleton)
Posted by: Moses | Aug 20 2022 0:27 utc | 83
Weapon Supply From the West Limited, Ukraine Must Save Ammunition
Kiev - The supply of weapons from Western countries to Ukraine is limited. For that, the Kiev military must be smart to "diet ammunition" even though it is facing the Russian invasion.
This was conveyed by leading US military expert Michael Kofman in an interview with German media, Der Spiegel.
Kofman said Western countries may have reached their limit in terms of arms supplies to Kiev.
According to him, it is not in the best interest of the Ukrainian military to wait for time on an "munitions diet", as conditions will soon begin to deteriorate, making a retaliatory strike against Russia more difficult to carry out.
In addition, he said, Russian troops could use the pause to regroup. "And solve some of their personnel problems," he said.
He noted that time will be on Kiev's side if Western arms support is not limited. "However, this does not appear to be the case, and the Ukrainian leadership is well aware of this," Kofman said.
Ukraine seems quite concerned about how long they can expect further support, especially from Europe."
The military expert went on to say that Kiev's European backers may have already given Ukraine most of the weapons they are prepared to provide.
"Ukrainians are likely to be on some kind of ammunition diet," Kofman said.
Kofman concluded that Kiev's ability to reclaim territory seized by Russia ultimately depended on the extent of its Western support.
He also acknowledged some minor Russian successes in the southern Donbas, such as in Peski.
He added, however, that the Russian offensive was carried out mostly by the militaries of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic, as well as by the mercenaries of the Wagner Group.
When asked about a possible Ukrainian counter-offensive to retake the southern city of Kherson, currently held by Russian forces, Kofman pointed out that while Kiev has plenty of personnel on paper. "[However], only a number of units are really trained and equipped for it," he said.
https://www.international-military.com/2022/08/weapon-supply-from-west-limited-ukraine.html
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 20 2022 0:32 utc | 84
@psychohistorian
We are all programmable and raised to think the same things. "History repeats" and "There will always be war"
Then we walk around like robots mirroring back the same words to each other, it's probably more of an education/society issue than a media issue
Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 20 2022 0:35 utc | 85
I don’t remember the calls of the UN Secretary General such as “the foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation are Russian reserves.”
Or "oil from Syrian fields is Syrian oil." 🤔
Posted by: rp | Aug 19 2022 21:47 utc | 46
Touché!
Posted by: farm ecologist | Aug 20 2022 0:40 utc | 86
Ukraine has lost 200,000 troops in 180 days just to accomplish the following:
Posted by: Tgl | Aug 20 2022 0:46 utc | 87
karlof1 | Aug 19 2022 23:22 utc | 70 The unnamed
I don't think its a matter so much about individuals, but rather a culture. A culture amongst the anglo elite, anglo's being at the top of the dunghill but also through what Kissinger terms as westphalia. "By their deeds you will know them"
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2022 23:39 utc | 75
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The only Israeli I ever met - in Boulder Colorado - took me to a local Mason's Lodge building. It was empty with strange, uninteresting pictures on the wall. I didn't like it though he and I (and his ex-Israeli Intelligence Captain wife working in the nearby IBM complex) got on very well.
I thought the visit strange so I looked it up having only vaguely heard of such things. I didn't get very far though I did get to read some Nesta Webster and others of that ilk including John Robeson who was a high (whistleblower) mason whose book in 1798 (?) claimed that the French Revolution was a Masonic plot.
I get the feeling that their mission has been accomplished and they are now insiders whereas before they were outsiders.
In any case, one thing I learned (don't know if it is accurate but seems right) is that someone introduced to the Masons goes along a path of different levels with different secrets and knowledge revealed level by level. My intuition tells me that the doctrine is bogus although the effort and sacrifice put into is not, so perhaps it doesn't matter. However the main thing is that the higher up you go the fewer in number there are and the more you have invested your identity to this secret world with secret connections and your loyalty to this secret group might trump your loyalty to your wife, your boss, your job, your nation. And that's how it worked having a network within any given nation, moreover with international connections, designed to infiltrate governments so that at some point they could take over from the inside which was always their mission. It was begun by ambitious outsiders, most likely Jews who had money but not insider status, with the purpose of facilitating their change in status and access to the levers of power.
If I am more or less right, then probably similar systems are still in play, namely ever smaller circles of influence. So I think the SPECTRE notion is not all that far-fetched. Or HYDRA. There clearly are power networks; they clearly function in a wide variety of nations and zones therein. But I suspect many of them do not know each other. I doubt they are of one ethnicity or race or anything like that. They are into becoming influential, valued, important, in-the-know, superior, plugged in. There are always people like that in any demographic.
And probably many of them are well-known billionaires, celebrities, politicians and CEO's who walk among us!!
I agree except the "need to fight" part. That "need to fight" is a manufactured response....why is violence normalized in media?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2022 0:07 utc | 81
Probably should have said argue instead of fight. but it's just semantics.
Amongst other factors, the glorification of the individual self over centuries in the West has led to assert and protect oneself against all others. It's not just current media propaganda it is a cultural, political and spiritual history that traps us in the paradigm of individual supremacy.
I agree with you that humans aren't half as violent as the media makes out, obviously we all have it in us but it suits the ptb to manufacture a fundamentally violent humanity to keep us all fearful and insulated. I still can't convice my family though.
Posted by: K | Aug 20 2022 0:55 utc | 89
rp | Aug 19 2022 21:47 utc |
Exactly! (Or Venezuelan gold.)
Posted by: spudski | Aug 20 2022 1:07 utc | 90
Tweets from AFP News Agency @AFP
#BREAKING Putin warns Macron of 'catastrophe' at Ukraine nuclear plant
Russia's President Vladimir Putin in a call with French counterpart Emmanuel Macron accused Ukraine of attacking the Moscow-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, warning of a potential "catastrophe", the Kremlin said Friday.
>France says Putin agrees to IAEA nuclear plant visit via Ukraine.
>Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed that a team of independent inspectors can travel to the Moscow-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant via Ukraine, the French presidency said on Friday.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1560693076074561536
No good turn goes unpunished:
The Associated Press. @AP
Hours after talking with Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday accused the Russian leader of launching a "brutal attack" on Ukraine in an imperialist, revanchist violation of international law.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1560771208647524353
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 20 2022 1:11 utc | 91
“The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley.” - Robert Burnes, To a Mouse
fyi
https://twitter.com/FacePlantt44/status/1560569915295543296
Faceplant @FacePlantt44
In February Russia said it was going to demilitarise Ukraine
The EU in response said it was going to crush the Russian economy
6 months later Russia is actually demilitarising Europe & EU countries are heading for inflation fueled collapse
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 20 2022 1:13 utc | 92
@70 Karlof1: re: the un-named, and
@75 Peter AU1, who said:
I don't think its a matter so much about individuals, but rather a culture. A culture amongst the anglo elite, anglo's being at the top of the dunghill but also through what Kissinger terms as westphalia. "By their deeds you will know them"
Karlof: I ask you: do we _need_ to know their names, or do we need to know their deeds, and how to overcome and neutralize those evil deeds?
and to @79 K, who said " If we keep saying that we don't have any power like small children, how will it ever change?"
To respond to K (who clearly already knows this, but I'll say it anyway):
I say deeds, adopted gradually among the many, change the realities the predators face.
For example: If they start a war, and no one shows up, what then?
The work of MoA barflies is valuable.
The breeding of self-awareness, of situational awareness, of new options about how to live your values, of belief in ourselves because we see that others see what we see...the realization that we're not walking alone as we navigate out of the morass. All these things help us build momentum.
China and Russia are doing a great job of creating an emotional and intellectual opening. Good on them!
There are plenty of other constructive, helpful things that can be done here in the West to move the agenda forward.
"By our deeds, so shall they know us".
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 20 2022 1:17 utc | 93
I do not understand Russia's moderate reaction...
Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Aug 19 2022 19:18 utc | 7
The only way to figure the Russians is to put 2 and 2 together, make 9, add 7, divide by 4, and give up.
Posted by: YK | Aug 20 2022 1:24 utc | 94
I came across the link below from a ZH posting and almost pasted the whole article but instead encourage barflys to go read the list
By the numbers: Keeping track of the single largest arms transfer in US history
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2022 1:24 utc | 95
@ Melaleuca | Aug 20 2022 1:11 utc | 92 with the comment about Marcon and his seemed two-faced existence.
Marco is a tool and Putin knows it. Something needed to be conveyed between the God of Mammon cult and Putin with Marcon being the intermediary in this case.
And like all the other geo-political puppets, when they speak, they are projecting onto others the reality of their own barbaric actions.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2022 1:31 utc | 96
A tough but important read, and remarkable journalism:
Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 20 2022 1:43 utc | 97
12-hour work day and layoffs due to illness. How the Cabinet wants to rewrite the Labor Code
[Many more details in the article]
"Recently, a more "permanent" bill has also appeared - it was developed by the Cabinet of Ministers, and the other day the document went to the Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine for discussion.
These are not amendments to the current Labor Code, but a completely new draft law "On Labor". And it is literally crammed with clauses that curtail the rights of employees.
“They will be able to fire without compensation, even due to a long illness. There are no exceptions for mothers of young children, who are now at least somehow protected by law. Plus, they give a go-ahead for a 12-hour working day and 360 overtime hours a year. At the same time, bonuses for overtime, it is proposed to cut five times,” - lists the head of the public organization “Social movement” Vitaly Dudin.
He added that the new bill could simply "bury" the labor rights of Ukrainians. “Against its background, all previous rewritings of the Labor Code look like tactical maneuvers,” says Dudin.
However, the employers themselves believe that it is possible to "tighten the screws" further.
“It is still not so easy for us to fire a person who does not want to work. Not to mention the mass of various additional holidays for large families, war veterans and other categories of workers - and all at the expense of the enterprise. We need to fight for normal wages, and not for so that, God forbid, someone does not work an extra hour," says Alexander Barsuk, head of the Yaroslav concern.
It should be noted that Ukraine takes the course for long working days following the example of Poland, where many employees work 12-15 hours a day. But there is an hourly rate, so the more you work, the more you get. The new project from the Cabinet of Ministers does not provide for this, therefore, it is possible that you will have to work 12 hours for the same salary that is now paid for an 8-hour shift.
Posted by: daffyDuct | Aug 20 2022 1:48 utc | 98
LogosApplied #76
For: Roger, and others:
Expensive pieces of machinery are Insured, by respectable global institutions, like Zürich and a dozen of others. The requirements include fullfilling of prescribed Maintenance and NDT (Non Destructive Testing) or NDE procedures.
Without these being religiously followed, Especially under sanctions - the certification is in jeopardy. And the Insurer withdraws. So, this is not some kind of games the Russians are playing. They Follow The Rules - written into the papers before the sanctions. The game playing is with the other side - trying to press the refurbished RollsRoyce axial compressor. The "machinative West" wants Russians to accept the turbine unit Without Complete Documentation - technical and legal (sanctions at play).
Iran had a problem when Siemens supplied digital motor controllers for its centrifuges. They arrived with stuxnet installed and enabled a remote terrorist state to take control of their controller and destroy the centrifuges.
I gather Gazprom has read the story too. I would not be trusting anything serviced in UKUSACAN.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 20 2022 1:55 utc | 99
Brawl at the Leipzig festival almost disrupted the screening of Stone's film "Ukraine on Fire"
00:56 today
The screening of the 2016 film "Ukraine on Fire" by American director Oliver Stone at the globaLE film festival in Leipzig caused a conflict.
It is reported by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
The publication reports that the demonstration of the film, in which the 2014 Maidan in Ukraine is presented as a nationalist coup staged with the help of the West, was supported by the organizers of the festival and the municipality of Leipzig, which sponsors the event.
The screening of the American director's film took place last night, but pro-Ukrainian activists tried to disrupt it. A fight broke out and the police were called to stop it.
Previously, "Country" told how in the Italian city of Taormina at the international film festival Taormina Film Fest a documentary about Ukraine by Oliver Stone "The Untold Story of Ukraine" was shown .
We also wrote that in 2017, Stone criticized US policy in Ukraine, calling our country a "gangster state" . He was also outraged by US military aid to Ukraine.
Posted by: daffyDuct | Aug 20 2022 1:58 utc | 100
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