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Ukraine Open Thread 2022-133

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🇷🇺🇺🇦 The administration of the Zaporozhye region promises that tomorrow the drones will broadcast online the situation at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant - RIA Novosti.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, Ukrainian troops are preparing a provocation tomorrow.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 18 2022 14:53 utc | 1

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is analyzing the development of the situation at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

Since July 18, 2022, the station has been subjected to systematic shelling by the armed forces of Ukraine from multiple rocket launchers, barrel artillery and using unmanned aerial vehicles.

As of August 18, 2022, 12 attacks were carried out, during which more than 50 artillery shell explosions and 5 kamikaze drones were recorded on the territory of the NPP and the city of Energodar.
The Russian Defense Ministry conducted an investigation and found that the strikes were carried out from the direction of the settlements of Manganese and Nikopol.

As a result of the shelling, the auxiliary support systems of the station were damaged, as well as the life support facilities of the city of Energodar.

According to the Ministry of Defense, the Ukrainian side, together with their curators from the United States, is trying to play the card, causing, in their opinion, a minor accident at the nuclear power plant and thereby disrupting the normal and safe operation of the nuclear power plant, blaming Russia for this.

The Ukrainian side has repeatedly stated that the strikes on the plant are carried out by the Armed Forces of Russia, and Russian heavy weapons are placed on the territory of the NPP, from which shelling is carried out on the objects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

We are ready to present to the IAEA real pictures with very high resolution, the sample is placed on a slide, which shows that we do not place weapons, especially heavy ones, on the territory of this station. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation said this to UN Secretary-General Guterres.

We know that in the presence of a large number of military and commercial foreign satellites, the same information can be presented to the world community by the American side.

At the same time, the United States suppresses objective data on the shelling and the situation at the nuclear power plant, thereby encouraging the impunity of the Kiev regime and contributing to the possible development of a nuclear catastrophe in Europe.

It is no coincidence that the conclusions of specialists of the American Agency for Arms Control and Disarmament (Washington, DC) and a number of other similar institutions of Western countries, and not the IAEA, which has the right to such conclusions, are widely quoted in the media that the occurrence of a large-scale disaster at the NPP seems unlikely.

In their opinion, the thickness of the concrete shelters of its nuclear reactors is 10 meters, in addition, the station was designed and built taking into account the need to overcome the consequences of incidents such as the fall of a civilian aircraft.

At the same time, it is not excluded that a direct hit of large–caliber artillery shells into the dry storage of spent nuclear fuel will lead to radioactive contamination of the area within a radius of up to 20 km, and an emergency situation at a nuclear reactor is up to 30 km maximum. At the same time, it is emphasized that the risks of radiation spreading on the territory of European countries are assessed as minimal.

Thus, according to American experts, the consequences of the nuclear incident at the Zaporozhye NPP will be limited and will not affect the territory of European countries.

I would like to remind the UN Secretariat and the entire world community that the principal cause of the accidents at the Chernobyl plant and the Fukushima nuclear power plant, despite the fact that in the first case there were experiments with a nuclear reactor, and in the second case – an earthquake and tsunami, is the failure of supply systems, disruption of power supply, partial and complete de–energization cooling systems, which led to overheating of the nuclear fuel and destruction of the reactor.

As a result of the Chernobyl disaster, the territory of more than 20 European countries was contaminated with radioactive isotopes. About 4 thousand people died from direct exposure to radiation, tens of thousands of cases of genetic deformities in newborns and hundreds of thousands of oncological diseases were recorded. Not counting the consequences of forced evacuation, up to 100 thousand people and more than 5.5 million people received an increased dose of radiation.

At the Fukushima nuclear power plant, only at first glance it may seem that the consequences are insignificant. Up to 500 thousand people were subjected to gradual forced evacuation, and descendants will feel the consequences of dumping radioactive water into the ocean.

One gets the feeling that this has been forgotten.

According to our experts, due to the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a similar situation may arise at the Zaporozhye NPP.

Thus, in case of failure of backup diesel generators and mobile pumps, in case of an emergency, the core will overheat and, as a result, the destruction of reactor installations at the largest nuclear power plant in Europe with the release of radioactive substances into the atmosphere and their spreading for hundreds of kilometers.

Such an emergency situation will cause mass migration of the population and will have more catastrophic consequences than the impending gas energy crisis in Europe, which is confirmed by the forecast of a number of European specialized organizations.

In addition, according to available information, as part of a trip to Ukraine from August 17 to 19, 2022, UN Secretary-General Guterres plans to visit the city of Odessa. By this date, the Armed Forces of Ukraine intend to stage a provocation of a man-made disaster at the Zaporozhye NPP, which consists in the leakage of radiation, destruction of the integrity of the nuclear waste storage and the withdrawal of the NPP reactor into a state of abnormal operation.

All this, according to their plan, should be a consequence of the military actions of the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of the nuclear power plant, the incompetence of Russian specialists involved in the operation of this nuclear facility.

In order to stage the AFU, it is planned to deploy radiation monitoring posts to the compounds, military units and units stationed in the Zaporozhye region of Ukraine, which are part of the united group of forces "Dnepr", to provide 100 percent of the military personnel with means of chemical and radiation protection, to conduct training on chemical and radiation protection and other security measures for the purpose of staging the AFU. In particular, the units of the 44th separate artillery brigade were ordered to be ready to act in conditions of radiation contamination of the area by August 19. In the same place, in the area of the Zaporozhye NPP, units of the 704th separate regiment of the RCB protection of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being transferred.

Artillery strikes on the NPP are planned from the city quarters of the city of Nikopol.
This "performance" will be accompanied by alerts to the population about the increase in radiation background and other "special effects". The staging is carried out in the interests of influencing the UN Secretary General and the international community to cover up decisions beneficial to Kiev.

The ultimate goal of the provocation is the creation of an exclusion zone of up to 30 km, the introduction of international forces and foreign observers into the territory of the NPP, as well as the accusation of the Russian Armed Forces of nuclear terrorism.

As a conclusion from the above, we draw your attention to the fact that with the continuation of the negative development of the situation related to the shelling of the nuclear power plant by Ukraine, the issue of the withdrawal of 5 and 6 power units to the "cold reserve" may be considered, which will lead to the shutdown of the Zaporozhye NPP.

Posted by: Zaporozhye NPP | Aug 18 2022 15:10 utc | 2

The coach from Istanbul to Kurdistan which runs all down the Turkey - Syria border has never stopped running normally throughout the US Syrian proxy war. The US uses psychological warfare but retains control over every detail of its areas of proxy aggression.

The US and UK have spent decades in Ukraine , building up its military defences and brainwashing its citizens 100,000s of Muslims have been brainwashed in the same Nazi model of Dr Mengeles by torture and psychological chemicals, in order to foment Jihadist extremism.

USUKIS is an abomination. Thank you Russia for resisting them in Syria and now in Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2022 15:32 utc | 3

Zaporozhye NPP | Aug 18 2022 15:10 utc | 2

Clear and precise. You cannot judge the overall effect of a "broken" Nuclear power-plant or it's cooling systems in advance. You cannot tell how far the wind will blow the dust and radiation, but it doesn't matter to those living in the US does it?
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Note that Russian workers are getting the day off, and are not required at the plant tomorrow.(via Ukrainian military source. In a menu taken with mucho salt).

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 15:37 utc | 4

2 - "The ultimate goal of the provocation is the creation of an exclusion zone of up to 30 km, the introduction of international forces and foreign observers into the territory of the NPP, as well as the accusation of the Russian Armed Forces of nuclear terrorism."

Yes, very similar to attempts to use MH17 as a wedge to insert NATO troops into Donetsk in summer of 2014.

Posted by: jayc | Aug 18 2022 15:40 utc | 5

From Sputnik:

According to the Russian MoD's forecast, if an accident at the Zaporozhye NPP does take place, radioactive substances will engulf Poland, Germany and Slovakia.
Such substances will also cover Scandinavia, with the release of 25% of the contents of at least one reactor of the NPP, according to the Russian MoD.

If the NPP's standby diesel generators and mobile pumps fail in the event of an emergency, the facility's active zone will overheat and the reactor units will be destroyed, which will be accompanied by the release of radioactive substances into the atmosphere. These would then spread over hundreds of kilometers, according to the MoD’s forecast.

The MoD suggested that all this may lead to the mass migration of the population and will have more catastrophic consequences than the looming energy crisis in Europe.

SOURCE:
https://sputniknews.com/20220818/russian-mod-publishes-map-showing-consequences-of-ukrainian-us-provocation-at-zaporozhye-npp-1099724055.html

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 18 2022 15:42 utc | 6

International body parts for sale in Odessa. First come first served. Georgian & Polish organs, cut your own out, $85 per kilo.

Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 18 2022 15:48 utc | 7

After meeting with Shitterres, Shitenskyy said that UN will ensure the demilitarization and complete liberation from Russian troops.
Sure... any minute now

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 15:50 utc | 8

@ Zaporozhye NPP | Aug 18 2022 15:10 utc | 2

thanks for what sounds like the mod, or head of russia to the un - readout.. it is hard to shake the idea that the west is intent on destruction of everything in order to maintain its steadily deteriorating dominance...

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 15:54 utc | 9

This whole situation is a mismanaged clown show. The fact that the Russians cannot conclusively show and prove the shelling of the nuclear plant by the Zelensky regime thus far is just a sign of more appalling incompetence. How difficult is it to get a $300 commercial drone off of Amazon and have it shipped to the site?

Absolute clown circus show of a "war".

Posted by: Peter in TO | Aug 18 2022 16:05 utc | 10

Finally the real reason why Finland applied to join NATO: now that Ukraine can no longer join, a spot for another cocaine snorting, party going, easily blackmailed PM's was open... Enter 36 year old Finnish PM Sanna Marin, she sure knows how to party:

https://www.rt.com/news/561093-finnish-pm-party-videos/

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 18 2022 16:06 utc | 11

Like the sinking of the Black Sea flagship, attacks on Russian territory in Crimea, the continuous shelling of Donetsk and the killing of 15k Russian speaking population over the past 8 yes, the attacks on the nuclear plant are not serious or dangerous enough to declare war or to mobilize enough force to expedite Ukraine's defeat. Better to go slow and allow the West to plan more outrages because winter is coming.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Aug 18 2022 16:09 utc | 12

@ Peter in TO | Aug 18 2022 16:05 utc | 10

i am sure this has already done, but as gil scott heron said - 'the revolution will not be televised'.... or for that matter no facts on the ground will be shown in the western msm.. in fact, just the opposite will be shown... one has to realize that we are up against a media totally beholden to the western agenda here...

below is a repost from @ Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 8:26 utc | 120 on the previous ukraine open thread... thanks stonebird... all of this is a legit concern and insight...

"A look on the bleak side at Zaporozhye.

An explosion or similar that made the spent fuel into a dirty bomb, could even be the desired outcome.

It could make the entire Baltic coastline, Crimea, and the Russian speaking parts (Donbas, Odessa) more or less uninhabitable. (Depending on the radiation level released). This is NOT for the Ukrainians, but would fit in with the programme of the nihilists in the US and UK, to isolate Russia physically. (ie. as wanted by people that are far from the front lines, but supply the weapons and mercenaries)

Supporting indications. The recent overflying near Murmansk by both the US and UK spy planes To control (and eventually closing) the ports of Arkhangel and Murmansk.
The Military build up of Latvia and Estonia, the radicalization of their populations (and possibly Lithuania), plus the corresponding alienation of Finland, could be used to close St.Petersbourg as a port in the future. Also by nullifying Kalingrad or closing the strait OUT of the Black sea, eliminates either it's use as a port or as a Land "bridge" to the Black Sea.

Those countries could also form the basis of a future NATO attack overland, similar to the one that was planned by Ukraine before the Russian pre-emptive attack of the 24 February. (Same planners , same plan, repeat).

That leaves Vladivostok and the Caspian/Iranian areas as the only naval "exits" for the Russians and their submarines."

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 16:16 utc | 13

This could well play into Russian hands; don't forget that 85% of the World are not behind the West, they can see for themselves what is going on, so if Ukraine manages to cause an major incident, could Russia not then retalliate against the West and drop a few nukes on Western capitals? It wouldn't be the Russians who started the nuclear scenario and the rest of the World will see that, even if the gullible 15% in the West do not (most will be vapourised anyway).

Posted by: MeAgain | Aug 18 2022 16:23 utc | 14

Using logic and common sense, one can only conclude that the CIA, after the revelation (cerca 1970's Church Committee hearings) of its intent (and prior and ongoing efforts) to usurp the media (op Mockingbird), that by now, the CIA has total control of the Western media.

Ergo, we're not going to find any truths from Western Media. And little elsewhere.

What is that Ben Franklin aphorism?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Aug 18 2022 16:29 utc | 15

During today's interview with the international news agency Rossiya Segodnya, Director of the Department of International Organizations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Pavel Ilyichev noted a quirk in international law that would allow North Korean workers to aid in Donbass's reconstruction. Here's the relevant Q&A:

Question: Dpr Head Dmitry Pushilin, commenting on the restoration of the republic's infrastructure, did not rule out the possibility of contacts with Pyongyang on this topic. North Korean workers are subject to well-known UN Security Council resolutions, but can they apply to the DPR and LPR?

Maria Zakharova: The issue of reviving the industrially developed and densely populated territory of Donbass is very relevant. Great efforts will be required to restore the infrastructure of the liberated People's Republics from the consequences of the destructive misanthropic policies of those who are now sitting in Kiev. People who return to their homes must be provided with decent living and working conditions. Therefore, the topic of international assistance to the residents of the young Donbas republics should constantly be in the zone of attention of the press. It should be tried to convey it to foreign audiences, breaking the chauvinistic line of the West on the information "sanitation" of Russia.

You have correctly noted that the recruitment of labor from North Korea is subject to international restrictions established by UN Security Council resolutions. It is necessary, however, to take into account that they apply to the member states of the world Organization, which the People's Republics of Donbass are not currently.

The parameters of the envisaged cooperation between the Donetsk People's Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, as Mr Pushilin mentioned, lie in the bilateral relations between these independent states, so we need to contact Donetsk and Pyongyang for details. UN Security Council resolutions do not establish obligations under which other countries could force someone to comply with certain international restrictions. Russia is certainly not going to be such a self-styled "Cerberus." This unsightly role has long been assumed by the very capitals that continue to fan the conflict and who are not in the slightest interest in the lives of people in the Donbas, and in Ukraine too. [My Emphasis]

So, by not being UN members, Donbass isn't required to obey its diktats and can freely associate with North Korea. I can hear the howls of protest already. The usual crap put forth by the serial violators of international law that all others obey it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 16:34 utc | 16

"negotiations with Russia are possible only if Russian troops leave the illegally occupied territory of Ukraine" said the addict today, message cloned by Shiterres but not by Erdo

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 16:38 utc | 17

MeAgain | Aug 18 2022 16:23 utc | 14--

What is it with fools wanting Russia to use nukes?!?! Shoigu addressed this issue very succinctly in his speech at the security conference:

"From a military point of view, there is no need to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine to achieve its [SMO's] goals. The main purpose of Russian nuclear weapons is to deter a nuclear attack. Its use is limited to extraordinary circumstances as defined in the Russian guideline documents, which are open to public inspection."

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 16:40 utc | 18

Ukraine Support Tracker Update for July, Aug. 18:

The flow of new international support for Ukraine has dried up in July. No large EU country like Germany, France or Italy, has made significant new pledges. However, the gap between committed and disbursed aid has narrowed.

from: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

Looks like at least the EU realises by now that any more money and/or material is simply lost.

Posted by: zet | Aug 18 2022 16:41 utc | 19

rk @17--

Ukraine is illegally occupied by NATO and Plunder Inc, and it is they that must exit, not Russia, whose busy ousting the occupiers.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 16:43 utc | 20

Interesting speech by Shiterres: UN could support the visit of the ZNPP by IAEA inspectors only if the mission goes there via Kiev.

Around the same time Belgorod region reported PMF-1 petal mines were "scattered in large numbers and at a great distance" by an Ukr attack. (from Sputnik)

Still "slow is best"?

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 16:54 utc | 21

james | Aug 18 2022 16:16 utc | 13

Thanks James for the repost, but I had better make it really clear that what I was saying about the three countries, is that they could be used as a similar cover for a NATO/US build-up as in Ukraine from 2014 onwards.
Someone else has called me out on it, for not being precise enough.

@ Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 8:26 utc | 120
Those countries could also form the basis of a future NATO attack overland, similar to the one that was planned by Ukraine before the Russian pre-emptive attack of the 24 February. (Same planners , same plan, repeat)
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Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 16:55 utc | 22

Down South no. 1

But......

Ukraine: Russia is planning a 'provocation' at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, intelligence agency warns

Ukraine’s military intelligence believes that Russia is planning a “provocation” at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant tomorrow. - The guardian


Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 18 2022 17:06 utc | 23

@12
It's OK. As long as Ze Team remains safe and free to accomplish their Neo-Nazi design. Talk about a fatal design flaw. . .

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 18 2022 17:11 utc | 24

For those Barflies who missed the reference to The-Revolution-Will-Not-Be-Televised here is a link to the song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSRqaZGsPw

Posted by: Exile | Aug 18 2022 17:13 utc | 25

The world did not forget about Fukushima, caused by a Boeing-like design flaw by US engineers. The US air-brushed its poisoning of the Pacific Ocean and the Thyroid glands of Japanese residents out of the MSM which their poodle henchmen/women control.

Chernobyl radiation pollution caused an eye cancer in my wife's horse. BoJo's ' buy another white sofa ' mentality can easily live with another Chernobyl. She did buy another as BoJo suggested and BoJo is totally relaxed about another Chernobyl.

After all, the only thing USUKIS wants from Uraine is privatised land on which to grow GM crops, Biolabs in which to design selective poisons, A little bit of radiation will deter intruders from being nosey.

What Russia does about their intention to cause Chernoby 2 is to let the event percolate the 85 % of the world that is against USUKIS ' message to humanity:
WE HATE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.
We did not hurt them, they hurt themselves.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2022 17:25 utc | 26

@11 So she's upset that the videos were made public. I suspect part of it was to show how cool young Finnish politicians are these days. Look at that boring Putin and the uptight Russians.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2022 17:26 utc | 27

It is beyond naïve for anyone, let alone a citizen of the west, to believe that if Russia released information the media would duly publish it.
As Frank Wisner, one of the founders of the CIA, pointed out over 50 years ago, the US media is the Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda, and any tune they play is the only one heard by most of the globe, especially the brainwashed citizens of the US/NATO grouping.
Maria Zakharova testified (after the 2014 coup) that John Kerry sneered at her when she told him that Russia would tell the truth to the world. He told her that the US controlled the world's media and nothing Russia said would matter.
This was proven in the most blatant way after the 2018 Douma gas attack, which was used to stop Trump's announced withdrawal from Syria.
The production crew who made the propaganda video had used a photogenic little boy as the star of the show, and the footage was widely spread. But the Syrians and Russians entered the city just after the atrocity, and proved that the Official Narrative was false. The Russians brought the little boy who starred in the propaganda to the Hague and gave a press conference in which the little boy testified what had happened.
The western "reporters" walked out of the testimony and it was never mentioned by any mainstream media.
Then the OPCW investigator whistleblowers testified that their report on the same incident had been falsified by others in the organization. This also went unreported.
If you go to Wikipedia they will tell you to this day that the Syrian government gassed their own people, (in order to stop the US withdrawal? Yeah, sure. That is as unbelievable as the story now being told that the Russians are bombing their own troops in a nuclear power plant in Russia-held territory. Only absolute idiots would believe either story.)
Someone stupid enough to believe that Russians are bombing their own troops is clearly stupid enough to think that the Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda would publish anything that goes against the Official Narrative.
Unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 18 2022 17:32 utc | 28

She denies taking drugs but she refuses a drug test.

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 17:33 utc | 29

If an accident happens, Russia is to blame. They own the place and have the means to not let this happen. Words won't cut it.

I'm not taking Ukraine's side.

I don't know what Russia can do, but it's her responsibility to resolve this.

Posted by: albagen | Aug 18 2022 17:42 utc | 30

Another ammo dump catches fire.

"In the area of the village of Timonovo, Valuysky urban district, a warehouse with ammunition caught fire. According to the latest data, there are no victims, there are no victims. The head of the district takes residents of the villages of Timonovo and Soloti to a safe distance, "he wrote in his Telegram channel.

According to the head of the region, all operational services are working at the site, the cause of the fire is being established.Ukrainian troops are constantly striking at the Russian border territories. In Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod Oblast and Crimea has a yellow level of terrorist danger."


https://ria.ru/20220818/sklad-1810599898.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 17:46 utc | 31

Is the Kremlin expecting an attack.


"Three MiG-31s with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles have been transferred to the Kaliningrad region, the Defense Ministry said.
"Today, august 18, 2022, as part of the implementation of additional strategic deterrence measures, three MiG-31 aircraft with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were relocated to the airfield. Chkalovsk Kaliningrad region"," the department said.
It is specified that the "MiGs" will carry out combat duty around the clock."


https://ria.ru/20220818/kinzhal-1810454180.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 17:49 utc | 32

The Estonian government have lost the plot, this way, way over the top if you ask me.


"MOSCOW, August 18. /TASS/. Russia has sent a note of protest to the Estonian Foreign Ministry in connection with the dismantling of the monument to the Soviet T-34 tank and six other monuments in Narva, Ivan Nechayev, Deputy Director of the Russian Foreign Ministry's information and press department said in a commentary distributed on Thursday.

The diplomat drew attention to the fact that contrary to the mass protests of local residents, the Estonian authorities dismantled this monument and six others, including the memorial plates on the central Petrovskaya Square, the monument to the Hero of the Soviet Union Igor Grafov, the obelisk of the Red Army soldiers, the memorial to the landing troops in Merikule and two monuments in Narva-Joesuu town on August 16 in the outskirts of Narva."


https://tass.com/politics/1495463

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 17:55 utc | 33

And staying on over the stop actions the Latvian government is making a fool of itself with this.


"MOSCOW, August 18. /TASS/. Russia sees Latvia's intention to deprive Russians of residence permits as a blatant disregard for previously assumed international obligations, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Deputy Spokesman Ivan Nechayev told a news briefing on Thursday.

"In general, we regard the intention to deprive Russian citizens of residency permits as an open disregard for the international obligations assumed by Riga and as a malicious violation of the rights of the country’s residents belonging to a certain ethnic group," he explained.

As Nechaev noted, Russia does not rule out the possibility that "such discriminatory decisions may be made both at the EU level and by individual states even without a pan-European consensus.""

https://tass.com/politics/1495421

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 34

Looks like at least the EU realises by now that any more money and/or material is simply lost.

Posted by: zet | Aug 18 2022 16:41 utc | 19

I wonder what the EU knows that Zelensky doesn't.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 35

"...The fact that the Russians cannot conclusively show and prove the shelling of the nuclear plant by the Zelensky regime thus far is just a sign of more appalling incompetence. How difficult is it to get a $300 commercial drone off of Amazon and have it shipped to the site?.." Peter in TO@10

"Good Evening. This is the CBC National News. Russia has conclusively proved that the attacks on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant are being carried out by Ukrainian forces, assisted by NATO experts. CBC is able to make this judgement, dismissing claims from Kiev that the Russians were shelling themselves, thanks to the genius of a Toronto man who suggested the purchase of a drone from Amazon for $300, a small amount in our budget...
"Commenting from Moscow Vladimir Putin thanked 'Peter in TO' for a suggestion that nobody in the General Staff of the Russian armed forces had been able to come up with. It is believed that 'Peter' is in line to take over direction of Russia's SMO as soon as he can sublet his annexe apartment..."
at this point the broadcast came to an end: screens went blank and the sound of angry voices and gunshots could be heard in the studio.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 36

Expect some big attack in Ukraine tomorrow and expect it to be blamed on Russian forces and here's why.

"Russia has accused Ukraine of planning a "provocation" at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which is under Russian control.

In a statement on Thursday, Russia's Defense Ministry said that Kiev would carry out its plan during UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres' visit, which is due to take place on August 19, without providing any evidence.

The ministry also stressed that there were no Russian heavy weapons at the nuclear reactor complex, located near the city of Enerhodar in southeastern Ukraine, or in nearby districts.

Zaporizhzhia is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe and among the 10 largest in the world. Russian forces seized the plant soon after Moscow launched its ongoing military offensive in the ex-Soviet country on February 24. Ukraine accuses Russia of storing heavy weapons in the plant."


https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/08/18/687595/Ukraine-preparing-provocation-during-UN-chief-visit-to-nuclear-plant-Russia

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 18:01 utc | 37

albagen | Aug 18 2022 17:42 utc | 30
If it was controlled by zely what would be the difference? He can still shell it and say Russia did it because Russia bad. US won't explode the npps closest to Poland but anything else is on the menu.
You could ask Russia why they let the terrorists in Kiev live. That would be a good question.

@Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 17:49 utc | 32
Poland placed new bases and troops near Kaliningrad and US trains bombers over nordic countries right now. Germany sent troops in Bosnia&Herz.
They probably think it's good to have more options, which can't be stopped, closer to UK and EU.

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 18:04 utc | 38

@ karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 16:34 utc | 16

thanks for that...

@ Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 16:55 utc | 22

thanks for the greater clarification.. i don't see any of this happening, but it is wise to consider all possibilities...

@ bevin | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 36

lol... go peter in TO..... i recommend peter for a high appointment at cbc, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 18:09 utc | 39

"Expect some big attack in Ukraine tomorrow and expect it to be blamed on Russian forces and here's why.

"Russia has accused Ukraine of planning a "provocation" at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which is under Russian control.

In a statement on Thursday, Russia's Defense Ministry said that Kiev would carry out its plan during UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres' visit, which is due to take place on August 19, without providing any evidence."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 18:01 utc | 37

Meanwhile in German news:
"Ukraine-Krieg im Live-Ticker: Kiew warnt vor russischer Provokation im AKW Saporischschja"
Translation: "Ukraine war live ticker: Kiev warns of Russian provocation at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant"
Source (in German): https://www.gmx.ch/magazine/politik/russland-krieg-ukraine/ukraine-krieg-live-ticker-kiew-warnt-russischer-provokation-akw-saporischschja-37206448

I can't really blame people, when they say, they don't know to whom to believe.

Posted by: SwissGuy | Aug 18 2022 18:13 utc | 40

Republicofscotland no 32

Coincidence?

"Two Russian MiG-31 fighter jets are suspected of violating Finnish airspace near the coastal city of Porvoo on the Gulf of Finland.

The suspected violation happened at 06:40 GMT on Thursday and the jets were westbound, the defence ministry’s communications chief Kristian Vakkuri said, adding the aircraft were in Finnish airspace for two minutes."
Aljazeera 18 aug


Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 18 2022 18:15 utc | 41

From IntelSlava

🇺🇦🇷🇺 UN Secretary General Guterres called for an urgent agreement on the restoration of the civil status of the Zaporozhye NPP and ensuring the security of this zone.

He added that the UN could support the visit of the Zaporizhzhya NPP by IAEA inspectors only if the mission goes there via Kyiv.

Zelensky said that negotiations with Russia are only possible if Russian troops leave the illegally “occupied territory of Ukraine.”

Posted by: Down South | Aug 18 2022 18:15 utc | 42


Ukraine: Russia is planning a 'provocation' at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, intelligence agency warns Ukraine’s military intelligence believes that Russia is planning a “provocation” at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant tomorrow. - The guardian
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 18 2022 17:06 utc | 23

This is the danger facing Russia if the US and the Zelensky can accomplish this false flag attack on the ZNPP. Russia is trying its best to tell the world that the attack will not come from Russia, which accords with all common sense. Perhaps 70% to 80% of the world will understand this and see it for what it is. But the US and NATO only needs the support of the15% of Europe and the US/NATO to start a NATO war on the grounds that Russia is endangering the whole western hemisphere by “attacking the ZNPP plant.” Most of the western nations will accept the false western narrative, and thus support a NATO intervention, which will result in only one of two options: Either Russia backs down and leaves Ukraine or face WWIII. It seems to me that the trap is being set. If not tomorrow, then very soon.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 18 2022 18:21 utc | 43

@29 Not sure why she denies it. It would probably make her more popular. Could even bring in a bunch of new young voters.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2022 18:25 utc | 44

RT reports Orban's announcement that the Ukraine conflict "has the potential to 'demonstratively' put an end to Western hegemony [Plunder] globally", which everyone here except the trolls think that would be an excellent outcome.

The Hungarian leader argued that the West is incapable of winning the conflict militarily, and that the sanctions it has imposed on Moscow have failed to destabilize Russia. To make matters worse, the punitive measures have spectacularly backfired on Europe, he said.

Orban also noted that a “large part of the world” is clearly not getting behind the US when it comes to Ukraine. He pointed to “the Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, South Africa, the Arab world, Africa” as regions not supporting the Western line on the conflict.

“It is quite possible that it will be this war that will demonstratively put an end to Western supremacy,” Orban said.

And such an end would be a boon for humanity, although Plunder Inc remains a threat.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 18:39 utc | 45

If an accident happens, Russia is to blame. They own the place and have the means to not let this happen. Words won't cut it.
I'm not taking Ukraine's side.
I don't know what Russia can do, but it's her responsibility to resolve this.
Posted by: albagen | Aug 18 2022 17:42 utc | 30


The US/NATO is setting a very clever and devious trap using the ZNPP. It is designed to open the door for a NATO intervention into Ukraine in defense of a number of NATO member states that surround Ukraine. I am not sure what you think Russia can do about it short of taking extreme preemptive action. The good news is, it seems to me, that this operation is an indication of how desperate things are going for the US and its proxy army in Ukraine.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 18 2022 18:43 utc | 46

NATOland is already fully engaged in Ukraine. It’s no secret that there are thousands ( tens of thousands?) of NATO military in country either as advisors, trainers, specialists, or volunteers.

Kiev’s military has long been fully integrated into NATO’s.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 18 2022 18:46 utc | 47

I’d like to see B or someone else do a concise timeline concerning the Ukraine/NATO forces attack on Zaporizhzhia Nuclear power plant, it seems to be one of the biggest stories of the year. First we have discussions about rerouting the power to the Russia grid or making Ukrainians pay for power in the future, I’m not sure of the date or where these were published in Western press, but I’ve seen multiple independent sites report that Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin had recently publicly made statements saying that the power from Zaporizhzhia will be rerouted to Russian held areas.
August 3rd AP reports UN Nuclear Chief: Ukraine Nuclear plant is “out of control” https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-science-accidents-d2e0077af104f2692b76f737c58e1984.
August 4th Blinkin says Russia should stop shelling the plant or risk nuclear disaster (apparently he seems to be insinuating incoming shells are from Russian troops shelling their own positions at the plant)
https://www.politico.com/video/2022/03/04/blinken-condemns-russian-military-activity-near-nuclear-power-plant-502066
August 7th New York Times delivers a masterpiece in illogical propaganda claiming that Russia is shelling its own positions at the plant to destroy infrastructure. Why they would want to destroy infrastructure on land that that they will be in control of after the war, or destroy Europe’s largest nuclear power plant when they would be the ones controlling and benefiting from its power after the war is anybody’s guess. NYT also claims simultaneously that Russia firing from the plant after turning it into a “fortress” but also firing the shells at the plant(?). Also the Times claims Russia wants to seize it and use its power, but also they want to destroy it. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/07/world/asia/nuclear-plant-ukraine-russia.html
Beyond this there’s some details to be filled in, when exactly did the attacks start. What forces and under whose command was responsible for this war crime, did Zelensky or someone else give an order to shell the plant? To what extent was US/NATO targeting and intelligence used in these attacks? What was the supply line for the British made shells that were fired at the plant, which weapons were used and which countries provided those weapons. Also after the first attacks was there any orders from US/ Ukraine to Ukraine forces you stop attacking the plant? Etc.

Posted by: James C | Aug 18 2022 18:59 utc | 48

Oh, my god. What is Russia doing!!?!

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1560320953359425536

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 19:05 utc | 49

Just watch Zelensky at this press conference in Lvov. Look at his facial expressions...Someone said he's taking drugs.

The western MSM doesn't want to show what Erdogan said, only Zelly.

Posted by: RK | Aug 18 2022 19:08 utc | 50

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 19:05 utc | 49
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Your brain, of course, full of shit notably. But there is a limit to the pressure of feces in a propaganda fan pipe.

Posted by: RK | Aug 18 2022 19:09 utc | 51

There was an attack in Kerch. Air defense is working over the bridge.

United States allowed the use of American weapons for strikes on the Crimea.
This is reported by Politico with reference to a representative of the White House.

"Slow is best"!

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 19:12 utc | 52

The war have become a mess for Russia, Ukraine attack Kerch, that fact that Ukraine are able, for months now, to freely shoot at whatever target they feel says alot about the incompetence of Russia. Russia is always 1 step behind. They should of couse have been able to take out these HIMARS as soon as they reach Ukraine but obviously Russia have no clue what is going on. They are being played now, very humilating.
And. If that was not enough, another ammo depot have just been bombed inside of Russia.

https://t.me/vzglyad_ru/60660
https://t.me/vzglyad_ru/60663

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 19:17 utc | 53

Perhaps I'm being simplistic, but Thermobarically flattening Nikopol might be in order. So so sorry for Russia's "Ukrainian Brothers" who live there, but this shit has gone on long enough. Drop your weapons or die. Full stop.

Posted by: comrade simba | Aug 18 2022 19:18 utc | 54

Yenwoda

What do you mean by the video I do not get it? Russian military have occupied the nuclear plant, that is no secret. That is why Ukraine shoot at it.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 19:21 utc | 55

The two clowns and Erdogan meeting in Lvov lasted just 40 minutes. And, Erdogan ended his speech with, "On this issue, we will continue to evaluate the outcome of all our meetings today with Mr. Putin and the Russian side."
- Haberturk

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 19:40 utc | 56

Posted by: comrade simba | Aug 18 2022 19:18 utc | 54
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Do you how long the Ukies had been shelling Zaporozhia NPP? From 18th July. They shell it in a way, so nothing much happens. They need the free electricity. The Ukies are trying to keep the status quo. They are trying to blackmail Russia from disconnecting Ukraine from the NPP. And, winter is coming!

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 19:45 utc | 57

Because the attacks on Russian Ammunition dumps happen during the day, I am beginning to wonder if there is not another explanation; Some sort of energy weapon (Laser or microwave) from a satellite. Both sides have land based versions. The difficulty would be in getting a big enough power supply into orbit.

The way to know would be to correlate satellite passes with the timing of explosions. The explosions come one at a time, and are spaced out almost equally, whatever the location. Too separated to be the work of a lone group of saboteurs.

Another reasonable (and sane) idea would be some sort of "stealth" drone, which already exists, being used.

(Only speculating .....sigh).

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 19:46 utc | 58

Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 19:46 utc | 59
You need to ask your doctor for an adjusted dose

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2022 19:52 utc | 59

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 36

Great Post!!

Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Aug 18 2022 19:52 utc | 60

@ Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 19:05 utc | 49

OMG !! You are right!

Have you taken all precautions and swallowed a pint of iodine - it needs a few hours to get into all your cells for full protection. Best to assume the correct position too now incase you end up getting cramp trying to do it at the last moment. Remember head between YOUR legs and kiss your ARSE goodbye - not the wicked witches where it is now. G’dluck kiddo it’s been an honour having your presence here.

Can you spare me a few bucks before you go? seeing as you won’t be needing any after tomorrow, there’s this bridge sale going on and I always wanted to own one before I died. God bless you dear dear Yenny.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 18 2022 19:58 utc | 61

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 18 2022 19:46 utc | 59
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You remember the 40-mile long military convoy sitting near Kiev in February? Could be dummies..

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 20:00 utc | 62

The war have become a mess for Russia, Ukraine attack Kerch, that fact that Ukraine are able, for months now, to freely shoot at whatever target they feel says alot about the incompetence of Russia. Russia is always 1 step behind. They should of couse have been able to take out these HIMARS as soon as they reach Ukraine but obviously Russia have no clue what is going on.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 19:17 utc | 53

The war has become a mess? A few acts of sabotage for propaganda purposes that have had no impact on Russia’s ability to meet objectives? It’s a mess? This is just noise I. a big and complex game. Many people here need to relax,

Russia reminds me of the old bull in the field, where an old bull and a young bull are sitting on a grassy hilltop looking at herd of cattle down below. The young bull shouts, “let’s run down there and get one of them cows”; the old bull says, “no sonny, let’s walk down and get them all”.

What impact does a shell landing inside Russias borders have on their long game of deconstructing and reshaping the global order?? None. Don’t be the young bull.

Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Aug 18 2022 20:05 utc | 63

The war have become a mess for Russia, Ukraine attack Kerch, that fact that Ukraine are able, for months now, to freely shoot at whatever target they feel says alot about the incompetence of Russia. Russia is always 1 step behind. They should of couse have been able to take out these HIMARS as soon as they reach Ukraine but obviously Russia have no clue what is going on.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 19:17 utc | 53

The war has become a mess? A few acts of sabotage for propaganda purposes that have had no impact on Russia’s ability to meet objectives? It’s a mess? This is just noise I. a big and complex game. Many people here need to relax,

Russia reminds me of the old bull in the field, where an old bull and a young bull are sitting on a grassy hilltop looking at herd of cattle down below. The young bull shouts, “let’s run down there and get one of them cows”; the old bull says, “no sonny, let’s walk down and get them all”.

What impact does a shell landing inside Russias borders have on their long game of deconstructing and reshaping the global order?? None!!

Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Aug 18 2022 20:05 utc | 64

I find it interesting that Erdogan would meet with Z when it was the West that tried to off him a couple of years ago....how come he didn't die now?

If he is the shuttle diplomat between Ukraine/empire and Russia maybe there will be more opportunities to make him a martyr for something.

Would that give empire the war it wants instead of the one it has now and doesn't like?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2022 20:07 utc | 65

Buddy The Cat

Of course blowing up ammo inside of Russia and multiple airplanes (last week) is considered a mess by any standard, attempt to now blow up the Crimea bridge is a mess. Again Russia is 1 step behind of every move now. No need to go Bagdad Bob claiming everything is fine when everything is obviously not fine for Russia right now.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 20:17 utc | 66

Wow - seemingly, an extremely "hot night" far behind the front lines:

Nova Khakova - bridge targeted again, weak confirmation (blurry video), 10 hits reported. @DunGroanin, I don't recommend buying this one
Stakhanov - small ammo dump(?), photo confirmation
Kerch Bridge - air defense active, strong confirmation (video), possibly shot down an unarmed drone
Timonovo, Belgorod - huge open air ammo dump, hours of secondary explosions. Strong confirmation (multiple videos)
Stary Oskol, Belgorod - airbase, weak confirmation (nighttime video of raging fire, location hard to confirm), impossible to guess at damage/losses
Sevastopol - Belbek Airbase, weak confirmation (nighttime video, local telegram channels reporting 4 explosions) plus some breaking chatter about Sevastopol proper being hit

Am I missing any?

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 20:22 utc | 67

All this talk about Ukies can damage the Soviet built nuclear power plant (NPP) is just nonsense!

They are designed against even a massive nuclear missile attack, so Ukies cannot damage the reactors. The hard nuclear waste are in such places, they can't hit them. Even, if they make a hole and get to the hard nuclear waste, they cannot be detonated, or pulverised into powder/gas.

It is just Zelly trying hard to get money and armament/munition from US/UK/NATO and the other unfriendly countries. At least 6 large EU countries, including the UK had not supplied anything military in July!

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 20:29 utc | 68

Another Ammo Storage goes boom.

https://www.rt.com/russia/561118-ammunition-depot-on-fire-belgorod/

This time in Belgorod region, Russia proper, not Crimea. That's after Petal Landmines were scattered all over villages in the same region:

https://www.rt.com/russia/561114-russia-belgorod-ukrainian-mines/

...and a Drone just got shot down over Crimea:

https://www.rt.com/russia/561119-crimea-airfield-explosions-heard/


So, are they still waiting on making a decision on hitting those damned 'decision making centres', or are they counting on accumulating more incidents and victims to drive up the Russian public's anger in order to justify mobilisation?

At some point, you gotta back up words with action to maintain the reputation that "Putin doesn't bluff", but i'm not a patient person like Putin i guess. Ukrainians/NATO don't seem particularly deterred and keen to ignore all warnings.

Quite likely we won't see anything while the UN is in town... will we see anything at all?

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 18 2022 20:29 utc | 69

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 20:22 utc | 68
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Your brain, of course, full of shit notably. But there is a limit to the pressure of feces in a propaganda fan pipe.

Posted by: RK | Aug 18 2022 20:30 utc | 70

Am I missing any?
Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 20:22 utc | 68

As best as I can tell "Yenwado" means "Extend me big" in traditional and simplified Chinese. So, consider yourself extended. Would you like to give us an "extended" report about the Donbass front line?

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 18 2022 20:33 utc | 71

EU natgas futures...
TTF Dec2022 = €245/MWh
TTF Q4-2023 = €216/MWh (!!!)
TTF Q4-2024 = €124/MWh (compare: €17 in summer 2021)

Posted by: ptb | Aug 18 2022 20:36 utc | 72

ptb @73--

I read Gazprom reporting price could reach $4,000/1000cum by December.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 20:39 utc | 73

Watch Zelensky's facial expressions, https://t.me/ZandVchannel/27322

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 20:39 utc | 74

This might be tomorrow's false flag when the UN's top man arrives in Ukraine.


"The Ukrainian military-political leadership plans to shell the city of Soledar and blame it on Russia, Andrey Marochko, an officer with the Lugansk People’s Republic’s (LPR) People’s Militia, said on Thursday.

"We learned from a reliable source today that the [Ukrainian] military-political leadership had handed down instructions to shell the city of Soledar," he told the Soloviev Live TV channel.

Marochko pointed out that Kiev planned to target the city with 152 mm artillery, which was also in use with the Russian army and the LPR militia, in order to be able to blame them for shelling Soledar. "The attack will definitely target civilians so that there are a lot of civilian casualties and they [the Ukrainians] can use this information to discredit the Russian troops and the LPR People’s militia in the future, trying to depict Russia as an aggressor," he added."


https://tass.com/politics/1495567

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 20:44 utc | 75

The RF has drones flying over the targeted NPP at Zaporozhye just incase the Ukrainian forces launch a fatal attack on the reactor and then try to blame the RF.

"Unmanned aerial vehicles will continuously capture real-time footage along the perimeter of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, informing military agencies of shelling attacks, member of the main council of the Zaporozhye Region’s military-civilian administration Vladimir Rogov said on Thursday.

"Just yesterday, I specifically handed drones to our guys at the nuclear power plant to record non-stop footage for Russia’s National Guard and our law enforcement agencies, so that any attack can be recorded online at any given moment," he told the Soloviev Live TV channel."


https://tass.com/politics/1495401

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 20:48 utc | 76

Looks like Kiev, Dnipro and Odessa are about be hit by winged missiles.

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 20:56 utc | 77

@Guernica, that's funny. Someone else thought it meant "big money I" or something in Japanese. I like yours better. Unrelated, but have you noticed that online translators don't tend to include Old Ruthenian?

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 21:00 utc | 78

ThusspakeZarathustra (41).

Also a Russian MiG-31 fighter chased a UK spy plane out of Russian airspace on Monday or Tuesday.


https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/08/17/687521/Russia-warns-UK-against-planned-spy-plane-overflight

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2022 21:01 utc | 79

Will Schryver has posted a copy of the marine officers article

https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html

May not be up too long

Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 18 2022 21:04 utc | 80

Of course blowing up ammo inside of Russia and multiple airplanes (last week) is considered a mess by any standard, attempt to now blow up the Crimea bridge is a mess. Again Russia is 1 step behind of every move now. No need to go Bagdad Bob claiming everything is fine when everything is obviously not fine for Russia right now.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 18 2022 20:17 utc | 67

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I guess we have our own definitions of mess.


One country has been rendered bankrupt, with its military capability destroyed, being turned into a failed state due to the selfish exploits of their handlers, many of those handlers will freeze this winter through the work of their own policy.

And then there is Russia… growing richer in resources by the day, suffering superficial acts of sabotage that amount to less carnage than any given Friday night in Chicago.

Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Aug 18 2022 21:04 utc | 81

"I read Gazprom reporting price could reach $4,000/1000cum by December."

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 20:39 utc | 74

I am beginning to wonder if on top of the suicidal policies of the EU, whether Russia is also actively driving up prices by heavily investing in the speculation of energy derivatives trades? why wouldn't they: it's a good safe bet on a rising momentum market, they make a ton of money and they hurt EU governments all at once.

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 18 2022 21:04 utc | 82

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 18 2022 21:00 utc | 79
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It means, your brain is full of shit and the pressure of feces in it is about to burst.

Posted by: RK | Aug 18 2022 21:06 utc | 83


From the previous comment thread:-

"A video of a former liberal anti-russian women after she visited the real (Donbas)

https://youtu.be/0OysQ7yQl_o

"Posted by: Peter | Aug 18 2022 14:07 utc | 159"

Because for me, since 2014, this has always been about the people of the Donbas; and if there's one fact that remains solid amidst all the propaganda and uncertainty it's that after what's happened, "They don't want to be part of a country that hates them so much."

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 18 2022 21:07 utc | 84

They are increasing pressure through sabotage in order to push Russia to hastily retaliate in a time not of their choosing. Such an act will also remove the escalation dominance of the RF, making them play their cards prematurely.

This is also why we have the usual suspects here pushing for revenge only because otherwise will make Russia seem weak. That is not a good enough reason to up the ante.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 18 2022 21:11 utc | 85

Someone said that Zelly is taking drugs. Maybe true, have a look at Zelly's facial expressions after meeting with Erdogan, https://t.me/ZandVchannel/27322

Posted by: rp | Aug 18 2022 21:11 utc | 86

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 17:58 utc | 36

Dear Bevin
Thank you once again for the hilarious take down

Posted by: ld | Aug 18 2022 21:14 utc | 87

Air-raid sirens practically throughout Ukraine. It hasn't been like this for a long time!

Posted by: RK | Aug 18 2022 21:16 utc | 88

Imagine thinking Ukraine will win... or that liberating Donbass constitutes a loss for Russia. LOL

Posted by: Ziggy | Aug 18 2022 21:24 utc | 89

Rather, Ukraine becomes uninhabitable you cranks

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 18 2022 21:29 utc | 90

Republicofscotland no. 80

I saw that. Lots of provocation going on.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 18 2022 21:33 utc | 91

RP no 75

I cannot get anything on that link. Says "open in channel" but when i click goes back to same notice.
Any other link? Cannot find any video of press conference anywhere.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 18 2022 21:37 utc | 92

Lysias @86--

That's one interpretation of events. The most important facts of the matter remain that the South wasn't ready to engage the North strategically. The failure to secure New Orleans was egregious. The public on both sides had absolutely no clue about the coming devastation--both approached the first battles as if they were sporting events. I've always tried to remain a neutral student of the War and all the events that led to it. As for the ongoing geopolitical struggle, I've openly admitted my biases and desires for the outcome. But the provocation utilizing Ukraine has existed for many decades and the current situation's a result of the Soviet's inability to destroy the OUN and evict the CIA from Ukraine. An objective analysis of the West's Plunder Inc versus the USSR would deem the former a great many magnitudes more destructive than the latter, and it hasn't been stopped yet.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 21:38 utc | 93

Unfortunately I take the same medication as Biden, statins. They chemically counteract the harmful health effects of rage. This allows psychopaths like Biden to grow old and achieve their destructive goals without their blood pressure causing physical harm to themselves.

Nauseating to see somebody so feeble do so much to damage our world.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2022 21:42 utc | 94

Just checked the wind forecast focused on Energodar's area for the next few days and if I wanted to blow some radioactive shit up then I'd definitely do it on this Friday.

During the day all of the southern area up to Crimea is in low pressure zone with light variable winds (2-4kt / 1-2ms max) with a chance for rain in the night. If there's an explosion the clouds will stay around.

From Saturday's morning the wind will start to pick up in the South-west direction (good morning, Romania) and from Sunday it will get even stronger and will be blowing due west for a week. So an explosion shouldn't be too big, otherwise if the dust won't settle in 36 hours all of the western Ukraine will be glowing.

Posted by: TwoTricksPony | Aug 18 2022 21:49 utc | 95

Peter in TO @ 10

I would imagine any live camera footage or taped drone footage could be used to correct artillary and missile fire. Not to worry, the republicrats are pushing for more accurate longer range weapons to be sent.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 18 2022 21:53 utc | 96

Yenwoda @ 49

Really? You really believe that garbage?

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 18 2022 22:01 utc | 98

rp | Aug 18 2022 20:29 utc | 69

Its generally just a matter of knocking out cooling systems then the reactors will destroy themselves. It is possible though that there are underground bunkers where Russia has set up backup systems but I have seen no mention of that anywhere.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 18 2022 22:25 utc | 99

For those who are fretting over a handful of Ukrainian terrorist attacks, ask yourself how this advances the likelihood of the UkroNazis taking back an inch of captured territory. It doesn’t.

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 18 2022 22:27 utc | 100

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