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August 17, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-132
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https://t.me/intelslava/35634
Chinese Foreign Ministry: 85% of the world’s population has not imposed sanctions against Russia.
“Only the majority represent the international community,” a spokesman for the ministry wrote.
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 15:48 utc | 2
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (17082022)
As a result of the destruction of the ammunition depot of the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade by high-precision weapons in the Slavyansk region of the Donetsk People’s Republic, more than three thousand 122-mm artillery shells, mines, as well as more than 30 nationalists were destroyed.
More than 40 nationalists and 10 units of special automotive equipment were destroyed by high-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on accumulations of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of Lozove, Belogorka and Belaya Krynitsa of the Kherson region.
In Soledar, during the activities to complement the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a third of the mobilized citizens voluntarily left their units, departing in an unknown direction. The staffing of the brigade remains less than 50 percent due to heavy losses.
In the Marinka area of the Donetsk People’s Republic, due to heavy losses and lack of ammunition, more than half of the servicemen of the 3rd Battalion of the 66th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine voluntarily left their combat positions and left the combat area.
During the day, nine control points were hit, including the 46th airmobile brigade in the area of the settlement of Belaya Krynitsa, Kherson region, the 56th motorized infantry Brigade in the area of Yasnobrodovka, Donetsk People’s Republic, the 28th motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Nikolaev.
A large number of servicemen of the AFU reserve, weapons and military equipment who arrived for unloading at a railway station in the Kherson region were destroyed.
In addition, nine warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Kramatorsk, Nikolaevka, Krasnoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Malinovka of the Kharkiv region, Gulyai Pole, Samoylovka of the Zaporozhye region and Bereznegovatoye of the Mykolaiv region, as well as three fuel depots in the districts of Kharkiv, Bogodukhov and Chuguev of the Kharkiv region.
Russian air defense means destroyed four Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Korobochkino, Kharkiv region, Pervomaiske, Yasinovataya, Donetsk People’s Republic and the city of Kherson during the day. Also intercepted: a Tochka-U ballistic missile in the Donetsk region and seven shells of the Hurricane multiple launch rocket system in the areas of the settlements of Nikolskoye and Stakhanov of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1747 unmanned aerial vehicles, 365 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4334 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 799 multiple rocket launchers, 3310 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 4922 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: Summary1708 | Aug 17 2022 16:03 utc | 3
@ Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 15:48 utc | 2
Glad the PRC is calling the US/EU’s bluff on being “the international community.” Of course the legitimacy of this “community” even within its own borders is suspect. About 4/5 Americans disapprove of Congress. Only about 2/5 approve of the president. Things are chronically worse in the EU countries. The behavior of the “international community” can not even reliably be said to reflect the interests of the masses in these countries.
Posted by: fnord | Aug 17 2022 16:12 utc | 4
North Korea’s offer to send 100,000 peace workers to Eastern Ukraine is as much a game changer as was the appearance of the Red Army’s Siberian Divisions during the 1941-2 Battle of Moscow when Hitler’s exhausted Wehrmacht seemed on the verge of victory. Irrespective of whether Russia takes them up on the offer or not, because North Korea’s offer to trade their brawn for oil and grain has changed the status quo not only in Ukraine but in Syria, Iran and all other front line states as well, their offer is worth studying in more detail than that Newsweek and other discredited NATO outlets gave it.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/08/16/north-korea-siberian-divisions/
Posted by: ld | Aug 17 2022 16:14 utc | 5
Two nazi workers at ZNPP were detained. They were correcting the artillery attacks on the npp.
Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 16:20 utc | 6
Regarding Ukrainian/EU sabotage attacks in Russia. Is there any chance that the current attempts to restrict Russians traveling to Europe is an attempt to preempt Russian retaliation?
Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 17 2022 16:30 utc | 7
Two artillery gunners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) were detained in Energodar. This was announced on Wednesday, August 17, in the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Zaporozhye region.
“Two artillery gunners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were detained in Energodar. Both worked at nuclear power plants, ”the department’s Telegram channel says.
The detainees passed information to the Ukrainian military to correct artillery strikes. During interrogation, they tried to justify themselves by saying that “they are not interested in politics.”
iz.ru
Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 16:35 utc | 8
Is there any chance that the current attempts to restrict Russians traveling to Europe is an attempt to preempt Russian retaliation?
Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 17 2022 16:30 utc | 7
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How do you know the person you meet at the supermarket, or in the street, or at work is not a FSB spy, even though s/he looks like you, speaks your language and so on?
Russians don’t need to come to your country to get things done.
Posted by: RK | Aug 17 2022 16:39 utc | 9
Financial Times: European banks follow US banks to resume trading in Russian bonds
European banks, following the American ones, will resume trading in Russian bonds. Including banks such as Deutsche Bank, UBS, Barclays
“European banks are resuming trading in Russian bonds as the number of US clients declines,” the newspaper notes.
According to the newspaper, the international bond market of the Russian Federation “froze” in June after a ban was imposed on American investors to purchase Russian securities in the secondary market.
Funny world!
Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 16:45 utc | 10
https://sputniknews.com/20220817/russia-dismantles-hizb-ut-tahrir-cell-coordinated-by-ukraine-in-crimea-federal-security-service-1099687306.html
Is it credible that this Islamic group did the sabotage in Crimea and Kursk? I can see some support in that doing that sort of thing is extremely risky and almost suicidal. Maybe that’s more than Ukr can manage.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 17 2022 16:57 utc | 11
3rd August 2022 from this site:
“Ukraine SitRep – On The Ground Report – Ukrainian Frontline Collapses”
Tick, tock…
Posted by: evilsooty999 | Aug 17 2022 17:06 utc | 12
Saw this headline of a staff produced “diary” of a major pro-democratic party and pro US/NATO website:
Ukraine update: Russia’s dependence on massed artillery and brute force is its greatest weakness
It seems these sorts of “diaries” by staffers are no longer meant for mass propaganda, but to keep the faithful in line by creating illusions and delusions.
On the movement to prevent Russians from traveling to EU countries. One of the persistent claims by Western pundits is that the sanctions and invasion have (or will) caused a Russian brain drain. Apparently the brightest Russian engineering and scientific minds will just stampede out of Russia. Problem is, which European countries (or USA) will give them any sort of work or immigration visa? Are the embassies even big enough in Moscow to process those sorts of visas? In addition, what Western company would under the cloud of Russia Phobia dare to hire Russian nationals?
If Russian talent leaves the country, they will go East.
Posted by: Erelis | Aug 17 2022 17:12 utc | 13
Funny world!
Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 16:45 utc | 10
Now that the big banks have quietly bought a bunch of RF bonds at rock bottom prices, they’re suddenly ready to trade them.
Just my 2 cents, adjusted for inflation.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 17 2022 17:31 utc | 14
Two unrelated news from EuroUkraine:
1. A talk lealed, allegedly between Ukrainian NCO and Major (Mayor?).
– My soldiers refused to take positions.
– Bring their written refuses to state prosecutor.
– They do not write papers, they just do not go.
– Inspire them to do their duty then.
– How?
– You can not? Then shoot them up, for defecting.
– It is not fair. They are just workers, no training, no morale. They know how dangerous is denying orders. But we all know, they can not change frontline situation. They would just get killed.
– We would give you another 10.
– It is not about that. How can i force them to go just die for nothing?
– It is not for nothing. It is for holding the line, for keeping Ukrainian territory. If you are man – make them to trenches. Shoot few to show you mean business. If they all are useless – shoot all; we would give you another ten. You take them, choose the most useless and shoot him at once, to show you mean business. If you are a weakling instead then go shoot yourself. You wasted half our of time for this trahs talk. Any minute (Russians) could had attacked and your unit was without command! We are all soldiers, to follow orders not to evaluate them. So are them, so are you. You got me?
– Yes sir!
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2. Kiev regime decided that for authenticating soldiers last will a notary is needed no more. Their immediately commander can do as well.
Free hunt season is open.
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 17:33 utc | 15
@ fnord | Aug 17 2022 16:12 utc | 4
i would be curious to know how this plays out at the un meetings… i haven’t been following it closely.. i suppose it is kick back though for how western media portrays russia is ”isolated”….there is so much silly talk from the west, it is hard to keep up… and some of the talk is backed up with infantile actions, like australia refusing to continue the lease with the russian embassy in australia….
https://t.me/s/intelslava – looks like a critical transportation bridge over the bug river towards odessa..
RF Armed Forces hit the Varvarovsky bridge in Nikolaev
As a result of the impact, the roadbed could be damaged, and a traffic jam formed in front of the bridge.
The Varvarovsky Bridge is an important strategic facility for crossing the Southern Bug River. Its length is 750 meters.
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 17:40 utc | 16
Who is this guy “Emil Cosman” who pops up on my You Tube channel almost every day now, sometimes two or three times a day. I listened to his him a few times and his he sounded pro Russia, until he didn’t, so now I am confused. I gather he is a Romania living in the US from some of the things he said in the past. He inferred that he is not a fan of Putin, but he claims to support the SMO and East Ukraine. He is now coming down hard on Russia for events in Crimea in a way that undermines the SMO. If anyone knows anything about this about this guy, a heads up would be helpful.
Also, there is a site called “Infinity” which appears as “Infinity News” if open it. This site is amazing for its outlandish false news and lies about Ukraine and the SMO. Lies are not sufficient, fairy tales might be a better term. I opened the site once and now I get ten or so a day. I tried to research this site but while it will come up on my You Tube channel on my TV, it will not come up on my laptop; only news about the “Infiniti Car.” I suspect (but can’t prove) “Infinity News” is a propaganda site sponsored by Ukraine, and allowed to be shown on You Tube, but not be tracked, at least not by people with ordinary means. Meanwhile, sites that appose US/NATO policy and the Western narrative about Russia and China are being defunded by You Tube every day.
Posted by: Guernica | Aug 17 2022 17:51 utc | 17
Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 16:20 utc |
No more cosying up to ukro nazi supporters! death penalty is only effectiv appropriate punishment for ukro nazi saboteurs and terrorists. Many imitators would think twice before performing further terrorist actions
Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 17 2022 17:51 utc | 18
CBS Censors It’s Own ‘Arming Ukraine’ Documentary — Here is the ORIGINAL
23 minutes… not sure if anyone already posted this at moa, so i am posting this…
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 17:55 utc | 19
evilsooty999 @ 12
It took Caesar 4 years after he crossed the Rubicon. Massive changes in the world order take time…
Caesar’s Civil War, End Roman Republic →
The Great Roman Civil War (49–45 BC), aka Caesar’s Civil War, was one of the last politico-military conflicts in the Roman Republic before the establishment of the Roman Empire. It began as a series of political and military confrontations, between Julius Caesar (100–44 BC), his political supporters (broadly known as Populares), and his legions, against the Optimates (aka the boni), the politically conservative, socially traditionalist faction of the Roman Senate, who were supported by Pompey (106–48 BC) and his legions. After a four-year-long (49–45 BC) politico-military struggle, fought in Italy, Greece, Egypt, Africa, and Hispania, Caesar defeated the last of the Optimates in the Battle of Munda and became Dictator perpetuus (Perpetual Dictator) of Rome. The changes to Roman government concomitant to the war mostly eliminated the political traditions of the Roman Republic (509–27 BC) and led to the Roman Empire (27 BC–AD 476)….
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 17 2022 18:19 utc | 20
From today’s clobber list posted above:
….In Soledar, during the activities to complement the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a third of the mobilized citizens voluntarily left their units, departing in an unknown direction…..
comment; the 10th Mountain is a first rank Kiev unit that was involved in the Mariupol siege. I was under the impression it no longer existed. Reading into the clobber statement – I’m going to conclude it appears Kiev is recreating destroyed formations using gang pressed conscripts, maybe with a couple of NCOs from the destroyed unit. There was another incident where a elite Kiev brigade had a entire battalion of gang pressed grandpas attached. I think it was one of the air assault brigades.
This is a tell of utter chaos within the Kiev military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_Mountain_Assault_Brigade_(Ukraine)
Posted by: Exile | Aug 17 2022 18:23 utc | 21
A new low in fascist propaganda?
Ukraine: NATO says need to inspect Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is ‘urgent’
The Russian seizure of the Zaporizhzhia plant ‘poses a serious threat to the safety and the security of this facility,’ said NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg.
It is “urgent” that the UN’s atomic watchdog be allowed to inspect the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine that is under Russian military control, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said on Wednesday, August 17.
Russia’s seizure of the plant “poses a serious threat to the safety and the security of this facility [and] raises the risks of a nuclear accident or incident,” he told reporters in Brussels.
“It is urgent to allow the inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency and to ensure the withdrawal of all Russian forces,” he said.
The Russian military control of the facility “endangers the population of Ukraine, of neighboring countries and of the international community,” Mr. Stoltenberg added.
“Russian troops… now use the ground around the nuclear power plant as a staging area, as a platform, to launch artillery attacks on Ukrainian forces, and this is reckless. It is irresponsible.”
Mr. Stoltenberg made the comments in separate news conferences Wednesday with the presidents of Serbia and Kosovo.
Russian forces in March took the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, located in southern Ukraine, shortly after invading. The plant is the largest one in Europe, and the uncertainty surrounding it as the war rages has fuelled fears of a nuclear accident to rival that of Chernobyl in 1986 when a reactor exploded.
Russia and Ukraine have accused each other of shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear installation. The UN Security Council last week held an emergency meeting over the situation and warned of a “grave” crisis unfolding in Zaporizhzhia.
On Thursday, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres will hold talks in western Ukraine with Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The discussions were expected to include Zaporizhzhia.
Ukraine counted on four nuclear power stations to supply it with around half of its electricity supply before Russia’s invasion. Its call for a demilitarised zone around the Zaporizhzhia facility has been backed by Western allies.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/17/ukraine-nato-says-need-to-inspect-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-is-urgent_5993891_4.html
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 18:34 utc | 22
Bulgakov has been hashtag cancelled (I heard the news from Alex Christoforou).
I have no words, so I will quote The Master himself:
For the fact was that although life in the City went on with apparent normality – it had a police force, a civil service, even an army and newspapers with various names – not a single person in it knew what was going on around and about the City, in the real Ukraine, a country of tens of millions of people, bigger than France. They not only knew nothing about the distant parts of the country, but they were even, ridiculous though it seems, in utter ignorance of what was happening in the villages scattered about twenty or thirty miles away from the City itself. They neither knew nor cared about the real Ukraine and they hated it with all their heart and soul. And whenever there came vague rumours of events from that mysterious place called ‘the country’, rumours that the Germans were robbing the peasants, punishing them mercilessly and mowing them down by machine-gun fire, not only was not a single indignant voice raised in defence of the Ukrainian peasants but, under silken lampshades in drawing-rooms, they would bare their teeth in a wolfish grin and mutter:
‘Serve them right! And a bit more of that sort of treatment wouldn’t do ’em any harm either. I’d give it ’em even harder. That’ll teach them to have a revolution – didn’t want their own masters, so now they can have a taste of another!’
Mikhail Bulgakov – “The White Guard”
Posted by: Juliah | Aug 17 2022 18:47 utc | 23
@Arioch 15
What’s your source? Please give a link.
Posted by: Susan Welsh | Aug 17 2022 18:51 utc | 24
Watch Zvezda Live, https://rutube.ru/live/video/5ab908fccfac5bb43ef2b1e4182256b0/
They are taking about who runs the West…they are actually laughing…
Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 18:51 utc | 25
minor historical observation:
I don’t remember even the MSM retracting its own stories during the Iraq War propaganda deluge. I guess we should be grateful they put anything even mildly critical out there at all, until they retract it that is.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 18:54 utc | 27
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 17:55 utc | 19
Thanks for the link. I can understand why TPTB would want to suppress this video. A synopsis of key points:
1) The west is funnelling weapons and dollars into 404
2) No one knows where those weapons are going.
3) We know they are not reaching the front lines
4) We know the environment is filled with warlords, oligarchs, politicians, and omnipresent graft
5) Should we be concerned about the diversion of these weapons and resources to other use cases?
6) Yes
The most concerning point from the perspective of the Big Guy is the fact that his voice over introduces the film and he clearly states his policy is to send all the armaments possible.
This statement will come back to haunt him the first time a 404 stinger takes down a commercial airliner or a 404 NLAW is used on the streets of London or Tel Aviv.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 17 2022 19:07 utc | 28
Posted by: Susan Welsh | Aug 17 2022 18:51 utc | 23
But which? #1 is just a spread-ariund audio track in ukrainian or rus-ukr creole.
#2… Well, again, many. For example
https://t.me/ASupersharij/10610
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/19617?single
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:17 utc | 29
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 18:34 utc | 21
The UAF shelling of the Zaporizhzhia plant ‘poses a serious threat to the safety and the security of this facility, and to the safety and security of all citizens of Europe’ said NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg.
If 404 continues the indiscriminate shelling of citizens in Donbass and the equally irresponsible attacks on the largest nuclear plant in the region, then we call on the RF to take any and all steps to eliminate the threat, such steps to include saturation bombing of all sources of UAF artillery and missile fire.
If this measure proves insufficient then RF should proceed to level Kiev and any other involved command location.
NATO, and the nations of Europe, will join with the RF in the prosecution of those responsible for these acts which not only constitute war crime but crimes against humanity.
What he should have said.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 17 2022 19:22 utc | 30
Okay, this is one of #1 discussions.
But again, if you personally do not speak Russian or Ukrainian i can’t see you would make any use of it.
https://youtu.be/E2fUgCGHWUc
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:24 utc | 31
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 18:54 utc | 26
Mmm… Can we coin another rule of thumb then.
it ain’t truth unless retracted
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:28 utc | 32
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 18:54 utc | 26
I don’t remember even the MSM retracting its own stories during the Iraq War propaganda deluge. I guess we should be grateful they put anything even mildly critical out there at all, until they retract it that is.
I blame Wikipedia!
Wikipedia has become the repository and arbitrator of official narrative. Content must be based on what Wikipedians call “Reliable Sources“. These include only those sources that are willing to lie for the Empire.
I think I have seen twenty cases in the last five years mainstream media has changed their story due to political pressure. Amnesty’s report on Ukraine may be the next victim. “Reliable Sources” have already debunked it.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 17 2022 19:42 utc | 33
USA for gets Ukrainians are priviliged and demands to remove Ukrainian banner from tennis event.
Russian athletes learn to be bitchy, and unexpectedly get listened to.
https://amp.championat.com/tennis/article-4787813-bolelschicu-s-ukrainskim-flagom-poprosili-pokinut-match-v-cincinnati-mezhdu-kalinskoj-i-potapovoj-posle-zhaloby-tennisistki.html
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:50 utc | 34
However, as Ukraine’s military forces are slowly whittled away, there is a growing evidence of major regime splitting, a precondition for military or state coups, revolts, revolutions, and other forms of regime change.
From: https://gordonhahn.com/2022/07/29/regime-instability-in-kiev/
Quite some background details which might be worth watching in the coming weeks…
Posted by: Zet | Aug 17 2022 19:57 utc | 35
… What he should have said.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 17 2022 19:22 utc | 30
If only! Norwegian’s made many informative comments about Stoltenberg, it’s unlikely Stoltenberg has anything beyond a child’s understanding of any subject, let alone geopolitics.
As another commenter noted (sorry, I don’t remember who), when responding outside of scripted remarks, Stoltenberg is either banal to the point of vapidity or simplistically and frighteningly bellicose.
A kind of snuff-imbecile, which must be a thing, given that Stoltenberg is one.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 19:58 utc | 36
yeah Amnesty has already apologised for hurting peoples’ feeling by printing the truth. I think i read that some official left the organization over that apology, but don’t remember any details.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 20:06 utc | 37
I still think there’s a way back for Ukraine, way back yonder, west of Kiev.
Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 17 2022 20:17 utc | 38
Who is this guy “Emil Cosman” who pops up on my You Tube channel almost every day now, sometimes two or three times a day. I listened to his him a few times and his he sounded pro Russia, until he didn’t, so now I am confused. I gather he is a Romania living in the US from some of the things he said in the past. He inferred that he is not a fan of Putin, but he claims to support the SMO and East Ukraine. He is now coming down hard on Russia for events in Crimea in a way that undermines the SMO. If anyone knows anything about this about this guy, a heads up would be helpful.
Posted by: Guernica | Aug 17 2022 17:51 utc | 17
I’m so fed up with this “Emil Cosman” ASSET of western intelligence services that I tried to set my country of origin to Japan, Cyprus, Bangladesh, etc.
No matter what, after a couple of refresh, this guy appears again, as well as a retarded one: “The Beast”, who
appears as an “influencer” for young people.
It irritates me greatly, to the point that I’m willing to stop using YT.
This Emil Cosman character HAS NO HISTORY on the Web. It was created about two months ago and IS CLEARLY a
disinformation agent, a 5th. or 6th. columnist.
Posted by: Ryck | Aug 17 2022 20:38 utc | 39
More explosion at base in Crimea…seems to be new. If so, the UK is stepping up it’s war against Russia.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2022 20:42 utc | 40
North Korea’s offer to send 100,000 peace workers to Eastern Ukraine
Posted by: ld | Aug 17 2022 16:14 utc |
Interesting if it was true?
However the cynic in me.I tend to treat 98% of western media as purveyors 2% of the truth. Plus a tendency to release unofficial information from USSA government propaganda as fact. Not the pure diversionary/obscuration fantasy fiction that 99% of the information is from unnamed USSA sources. That it is, actual real life.
Out of curiosity, I checked with TASS.
Surprise, surprise dated August 11th, 2022. The headline “Russian MFA dismisses fake reports of North Korean volunteers in Ukraine operation”, appears.
Sadly, just another piece of trash CIA/USSA fake propaganda news. 🙁
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 17 2022 20:45 utc | 41
Foreign Affairs looks like it half understands the truth, yet persists in absolute denial – not to mention fantasy on the upcoming victory of Ukraine. Sad, to say the least… https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/playing-fire-ukraine
Posted by: Ajax | Aug 17 2022 20:50 utc | 42
Operation Mockingbird © Joe Biden
Never ever believed a “quality” newspaper would write such a complete, complete bullshit story …
Western failure as the Pentagon estimate and intelligence community had calculated economic sanctions on Russia would sink it in a financial failure in a matter of weeks. Just as with Afghanistan in 1979, the intention was to mortally wound the Kremlin and leader Putin. Wishing the Russian leader all awful diseases, perhaps a kind assassination, but for sure a military coup to finish off Vlad.
This type of disinformation is usually published when failure is imminent and mirrors one’s very own shortcomings.
Once again putting blame on European allies Germany and France who were intend to prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Reminds me of the lies in 2002/2003 to begin an illegal war in Iraq. Then too, Joe Biden was a vigorous war hawk.
This also shows a breaking of the so-called unity in NATO made under duress. Still very important the position of Turkey whether the White House manages to keep Erdogan on board.
Road to war: U.S. struggled to convince allies, and Zelensky, of risk of invasion | WaPo |
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:50 utc | 34
While I dislike the aristocratic/country club background of the sport (with all the racist and class baggage), I love the game. Glad to see them enforcing their rules in this respect – the fan could have done so as well.
I have been happy to see that the ATP (Association of Tennis Professionals – men) and WTA (Women’s Tennis Association) supporting the rights of Russian players to compete in their events. They even took away the ability of athletes to earn ranking points at Wimbledon as a symbolic gesture opposing Wimbledon’s choice to prevent Russian athletes from playing. We’ll see if the ATP and WTA will continue to support all of their players as things evolve.
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 17 2022 21:01 utc | 44
The Russian military control of the facility “endangers the population of Ukraine, of neighboring countries and of the international community,” Mr. Stoltenberg added.
“Russian troops… now use the ground around the nuclear power plant as a staging area, as a platform, to launch artillery attacks on Ukrainian forces, and this is reckless. It is irresponsible.”
He is probably being fed that by the machine and beleives it with all his heart and soul minus any mental capacity for free thought. In other words, the perfect Western leader.
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 17 2022 21:10 utc | 45
Surprise, surprise dated August 11th, 2022. The headline “Russian MFA dismisses fake reports of North Korean volunteers in Ukraine operation”, appears.
Sadly, just another piece of trash CIA/USSA fake propaganda news. 🙁
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 17 2022 20:45 utc | 41
alas
but I thank you for doing my diligence
Posted by: ld | Aug 17 2022 21:17 utc | 46
@Arioch
I was there. It was a complete non-event; nobody paid any attention to her.
Posted by: Platero | Aug 17 2022 21:24 utc | 47
Today Strana (Ctpaha.ua), a long time political site in Kiev published the very best bellwether piece onZelensky’s demise. This is especially true as Strana has been subjected to warnings and restrictions from Kiev the past two or three years.
Their piece comes close to mocking Zelensky for a couple of things, especially for his missing the gathering military assault, at one point on January 19, 2021 declaring (translated) “there would be no war, but ‘on the May holidays we will fry Shish Kebabs.’ ”
Considering the Ctpaha.ua in Kiev is openly taunting Ze, we may conclude the fat lady has indeed sung and not sotto voce. Pretty brave journalism, too.
Posted by: elmagnosr | Aug 17 2022 21:29 utc | 48
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 17 2022 21:10 utc | 45
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Stoltenberg is a Nazi, the Norwegian kind, a Quisling…
Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 21:34 utc | 49
Strana.UA gone
Posted by: elmagnosr | Aug 17 2022 21:29 utc | 48
Considering the Ctpaha.ua in Kiev is openly taunting Ze…
No, it is not. strana.ua no longer exists. The domain name in the UA top level domain was seized by Zelensky’s Nazi goons, much like the FBI seized the domain name af the American Herald Tribune. Americans even managed to take down the Canadian domain name.
The Ctpaha.ua site is now located at strana.today.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 17 2022 21:44 utc | 50
I the previous thread, I posted about the NATO missile that was fired at Energodar:
Ukraine has fired British Brimstone missiles at Energodar and the Zaparozhia Nuclear Power Plant. According to Wikipedia, the Brimstone missile entered service in 2005.
Photos of the electronics have been published on Telegram. The two PCBs shown represents 1970s technology: standard 16-pin Schottky integrated circuits, discrete through-hole resistors. Two of the ICs are labeled AM26S02/BEA – a dual monostable multivibrator made by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) in the 1970s.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 16 2022 19:59 utc | 55
It turns out the missile was not a British Brimstone, but a first generation American Hellfire missile.
Via Slavyangrad on Telegram:
A detailed study of electronic circuit boards from a missile found at the site of the impact in Energodar turned out to be a missile based on the first generation of American AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (Fig. 1), which were discontinued about 30 years ago ❗ (in 92- oh year). It has nothing to do with the promoted Brimstone, although outwardly it has similar features.
This fact is confirmed by the following evidence.
More details here 👉 https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2907556
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 17 2022 21:55 utc | 51
Maybe, its time for Russia to stop calling this as SMO in Ukraine and call it a Patriotic war against the collective West. Russia had never lost a Patriotic war.
Maybe, it is necessary to carry out a general mobilization to the military and military-political leadership of Russia. Maybe it is time to transfer the economy to a mobilization regime, making the necessary decisions regarding finances, managing the military-industrial complex, and finally, debugging the military and civilian sectors, military and logistics works in the spirit of what happened the next day after the start of the Great Patriotic War…
What is happening now is just like what happened in 1941, the collective West attacked Russia using the Nazi Germany. Today, the collective West is using the Nazi Ukraine, with the former Nazi Germany helping it with armaments. All those countries that collaborated with the Nazi Germany then, are collaborating with the Nazi Ukraine today!
Posted by: RK | Aug 17 2022 21:57 utc | 52
Curious about US public opinion re: foreign policy as of the first week of Aug. 2022? Check out this link.
link to economist yougov poll data
While more than 50% don’t really support US foreign policy, the percentage of those who see Russia and China as enemies of the US is troubling…but not surprising considering the amount of anti-China/Russia information promulgated in the media. Is there a disconnect re: foreign policy support/enemy status?
Furthermore, the poll classifies its questions about whether Ukraine’s leaders are Nazis as ‘conspiracy theories’. This frames the question in a leading manner.
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 17 2022 22:31 utc | 53
Tit for tat on crimea explosions?
TEHRAN, Aug. 17 (MNA) – Media sources reported on Wednesday that the sound of massive explosions was heard in the Americans’ base near the Al Jabseh oil field of Syria.
Heavy explosions occurred in the ammunition depots of the Americans’ base near the Al Jabseh oil field in al-Shaddadi town in southern al-Hasakah Governorate, northeastern Syria, Sputnik reported quoting local sources.
Posted by: NJH | Aug 17 2022 22:33 utc | 54
pretzelattack@37
If you are thinking of the Swedish “founding member” and V-P who left Amnesty I believe his criticism was of the original report rather than the apology.
How these front organisations retain credibility- MSF is another- is beyond my imagining.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2022 22:35 utc | 55
@ Sushi | Aug 17 2022 19:07 utc | 27
the disregard for where the weapons go is shocking, until one realizes they don’t give a rats ass.. there are no consequences as far as they are concerned…
see @ Petri Krohn | Aug 17 2022 21:55 utc | 51 post for another fine example… they really don’t care, or only in so far as they meet their objectives which are becoming more and more clear as the day rolls on..
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 22:49 utc | 56
https://news.yahoo.com/the-return-of-rasputitsa-and-what-it-means-for-russias-war-in-ukraine-183138153.html
Propaganda -wise, they need to make up their minds, First, we had fear from Ukr saying they had to win before winter. Now, it’s that Russia will bog down in the mud. I thought extra wide tracks on Russian armor was a tradition.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 17 2022 22:53 utc | 57
@ Zet | Aug 17 2022 19:57 utc | 35
thanks zet.. long article, but it touched on a number of important points that continues to suggest the fragile position zelensky is in here..
Posted by: james | Aug 17 2022 23:00 utc | 58
I believe next month in the traditional month for US market crashes, September we are going to see a serious reduction in the constant military packages passed thru Congress and sent off to Ukraine. As the fed continues it’s QT and robust rate hikes, the weakness seen in financial markets will increase which will correct massively and cause untold problems for the current government. There is IMO, going to be widespread protest everywhere which is almost unheard of in the USSA unless you are Antifa or BLM and of course this will bring out the swat “enforcers” that is going to crack down on desperate and hungry families cuz that’s what they do.
Posted by: marty | Aug 17 2022 23:32 utc | 59
Ajax @ 42
I stopped and read the Foreign Affairs article. It is credited to John Mearsheimer. It is written in a fair simulacrum of his literary style. But he is never this dumb. He is far from perfect, he is not plain stupid. I will guess he was given orders and had a student do the dirty work.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 17 2022 23:33 utc | 60
Posted by: RK | Aug 17 2022 21:57 utc | 52
If the proposed plebiscites of September 11 result in the Peoples of Kherson and Zaparozhia asserting their UN endorsed right to self-determination and electing to join the RF.
If the RF agrees to accept both oblasts as elements of the RF.
Then any UAF shelling of Energodar would constitute a direct attack on the territories of the RF and RF will be free to exercise its UN endorsed right to self defence which may include a formal declaration of war on 404.
If I were General Ripper II I would be actively planning an attack from Izum towards Zaparozhia thereby kettling all the 404 military forces in the Donbass line.
The attack would surround and isolate the city of Zaparozhia and advance on Z’s home town of Kyvi Rog with the intent to continue to advance and isolate Nikopol and initiate a further advance on Odessa.
The northern border of this operation will be exactly equal to the maximum range of any missile provided to 404 by any NATO regime and will be explicitly stated to be equal to this maximum offensive range. If NATO delivers longer range missiles; RF increases the size of the area lost to 404.
Two weeks into the above attack Z will be found in a broom closet having Epsteined himself. Or perhaps he disappears in a vat of diplomatic acid. A week later peace initiatives will commence under the guidance of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan – Biden and his minions will be refused participation as will Truss, Wallace, Macron and Schultz. This group of persons will be publicly proclaimed to be “agreement incapable.”
The Donbass Peace Accord (so named to honour the civilian dead of that city. On January 27, 2022, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights released its most recent estimate of the victims of the Donbass conflict from 2014 to December 31, 2021. The U.N. estimate is between 14,200 and 14,400 victims.) once signed it will be enforced on all parties by the members of the SCO.
Establishing long term peace on the eastern borders of Europe will be globally understood to have been achieved by a group of nations outside of the western sphere of influence. This historic accomplishment will mark the end of the Empires of Chaos and Exploitation (the ECE) and the introduction of a benign, rational, mutually beneficial, multi-polar world order.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 17 2022 23:33 utc | 61
Part 1 of a summary of an account of the (first few months) of the war by a Russian paratrooper, with a link to the original long piece on VK. Interesting reading, will be watching for the next part:
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1560022545356791810
Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 17 2022 23:33 utc | 62
Posted by: Platero | Aug 17 2022 21:24 utc | 47
Well, Russian players obviously did notice.
Frankly, some years ago it would be seen indecent for a tennis player to make fuss about some silent viewer. If they do not interfere with the game – then live at let live.
But Ukrainians were so attention whoring and so turning their banner into rusophobic politic statement – that they get exactly it. Their banner is now a sore in the eye.
We have a joke about a hunter who lost his way in winter forest. So he desperately started to call out. And then someone patted his back. It was an angry awoken bear.
– What the hell with all the noise you did?
– I just hoped… Someone… Would hear…
– Well, i did. Feel better now?
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 23:41 utc | 63
Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2022 22:35 utc | 55
oh, I got it wrong. so he left because Amnesty told the truth for once. it’s a slippery slope, people have to stand up before truthtelling becomes a habit i guess. gaaaaahhhh.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 23:45 utc | 64
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 17 2022 22:31 utc | 53
But aren’t Russia and China objectively enemies of American state now?
We may argue who was the aggressors, and who has fair case, and who would better win. Yet… The state of USA is an enemy to China and Russia, won’t you agree? And that is reflective operation, that means China and Russia equally are USA the state’s enemies.
Or, otherwise, who are foreign enemies of DC?
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 23:47 utc | 65
Hmm apparently 2 officials quit Amnesty for telling the truth.
https://news.yahoo.com/top-ukraine-amnesty-international-official-174937487.html
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2022 23:54 utc | 66
@ james 56
USUKIS know exactly where the weapons are going. Planned nuclear power station terror attacks looks like their latest plan after covid
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2022 0:03 utc | 67
37:
Check out New Atlas’ recent YouTube video on Amnesty, very illuminating.
Posted by: Walt | Aug 18 2022 0:17 utc | 68
@ Giyane | Aug 18 2022 0:03 utc | 67
yes and no… i hear sales on the black market are happening… the idea only 30% go to ukraine isn’t far fetched…
@ Beo | Aug 18 2022 0:08 utc | 68
the fact you are incapable or unable to quote sushi properly is plenty reason to blow you off immediately..
Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 0:17 utc | 69
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 19:24 utc | 31
Thank you for the links. I do understand Russian, as do many others here. Given all the lies that are being told on the Internet about this war, posting “news” without attribution is totally useless. Anybody can make up “news.” But a video by Anatoly Shariy is worth the attention of people interested in getting to the truth of what’s happening.
Posted by: Susan Welsh | Aug 18 2022 0:18 utc | 70
Why is Amnesty International FINALLY Reporting on Kiev’s War Crimes Months Later?
video that @ Walt | Aug 18 2022 0:17 utc | 69 references..
Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 0:19 utc | 71
@Exile | Aug 17 2022 18:23 utc | 20
«…In Soledar, during the activities to complement the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a third of the mobilized citizens voluntarily left their units, departing in an unknown direction…..
comment; the 10th Mountain is a first rank Kiev unit that was involved in the Mariupol siege. I was under the impression it no longer existed…»
The 10th Mountain Brigade has its garrison in Kolomyya (Western Ukraine, North of Romania), according to:
https://militaryland.net/ukraine/armed-forces/10th-mountain-brigade/
The 108th and the 109th Mountain Battalions of that Brigade that are deployed in the front lines near Soledar (Donetsk Republic) come respectively from the Chernivtsi and Ivano-Frankivsk oblasts (both from Western Ukraine, near Moldova and Romania borders respectively).
They were deployed in Donetsk in 2022-May-29 and 2022-July-23 respectively.
https://militaryland.net/ukraine/deployment-map/
That 10th Mountain Brigade also has the 8th Battalion, a Tank Battalion, an Artillery Group, a Reconnaissance Company, an Anti-Aircraft Company, and Support Units.
Since their garrison is in the West, probably that’s were conscripts come from. From a different Ukraine. They’re not fighting for their land. They’re fighting in occupied land belonging to the other Ukraine. The “orcs’ friends” South-West Ukraine.
The guys from Ivano-Frankivsk oblast are from the region with the most Far-Right militants, the pro-Maidan coup guys. Donetsk is the region with the most Left-wing citizens, the anti-Maidan coup people.
This whole war makes no sense for them. That’s why «more than a third of the mobilized citizens voluntarily left their units». But the direction is not «uncertain». I’m pretty sure they are going back to Western Ukraine, and then either hide from conscription, or try to cross the border.
As for the 10th Mountain Brigade as a whole, if it keeps conscripting guys to replace the destroyed cannon fodder, then it continues to exist.
The same happens for example with the Azov Regiment (a volunteer unit of the National Guard). That deployment map shows the 1st Battalion in Mariupol with the red horizontal stripe, because it was overrun. But other battalions from the Azov Regiment keep being deployed elsewhere, with renewed cannon-fodder. In the interactive map you can see the Azov icon East of Sloviansk, deployed there in 2022-July-17. They no longer bother to say the number of the battalion…
I imagine this to be like playing that silly game with one finger of one hand against one the finger of your opponent’s hand. Except on the other side, the Russian guy uses a weapon to cut your fingers. And the Ukrainian guy, instead of acknowledging the defeat, then ask for a rematch with a different finger, calls it a “counter-offensive”, loses again and again, and then fights with a different hand, and then with his feet, until he runs out of fingers.
Since the Russian guy started with the goal of “de-fingerization”, then he keeps going.
Now that’s a “Monty Python’s Flying Circus” silly kind of stuff. Maybe that’s why they had to put the Krivoy Rog’s clown in charge of the destiny of all fingers… A not so silly person would prefer to be a leader, and leaders save lives and make peace. They don’t follow deadly advice from London clowns and Washington senile old people.
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 18 2022 0:22 utc | 72
I understand the nice point you are making. But you are developing it out of nothing. Have you ever been courtside at a pro tournament? Players complain all the time, about everything: fans, weather, hvac, the lights, etc. In this particular case the woman wasn’t just sitting silently in the bleachers as it shows in the photo. When the complaint was made she was standing near the fence (see that white paint on the ground in the photo? is says “no standing”). When the complaint was made, the chair didn’t poo-poo the complaint as they sometimes do, because it was obvious that the woman was out of line, but approached the woman, and then the woman shrunk to the back of the bleachers.
A local group (interviewed on tv) threatened to bring lots of little flags to the tournament. I don’t know if they tried. If they did they were stopped at the gate.
Again, I understand your polical point, but it doesn’ really match the facts (as is the case with most political points)
Posted by: Platero | Aug 18 2022 0:33 utc | 73
«time for Russia to stop calling this as SMO in Ukraine and call it a Patriotic war against the collective West»
It is not a war (or an invasion), it is technically a (partial) siege, really a “special military operation”:
* The fascist ukrainian government was bankrupt because of looting and incompetence well before 2022, and most of ukrainians are very poor.
* The RF military are destroying ukrainian logistics during the spring and summer campaigns, and taking the Novorossya areas where most of the factories and mines and farms are, also to ensure that this winter they will have supplies.
* “Winter is coming”. This winter most of central Ukraine will be without enough heating, electricity, food.
* Central ukraine is very far from possible supply points at the polish and romanian border (the ukrainians have closed all of their Black Sea ports so they cannot be used for imports), and the fascist ukrainian government does not have enough transport capacity, even if they had the money to import them.
* Anyhow even if transport were available, most fuel and food supplies would be stolen, and anyhow most ukrainians would not have the money to buy them, as the ukrainian economy has collapsed.
* This is a milder version of what the fascists ukrainian government have been doing during their war of aggression against the Donbas: they cut off electricity, water, food, heating supplies 8 years ago, hoping that the people of Donbas (and Crimea) would starve and freeze and thus have mass death or mass emigration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
“3,393 civilians killed (349 in 2016–2021)
13,100–13,300 killed; 29,500–33,500 wounded overall
414,798 Ukrainians internally displaced; 925,500 fled abroad”
That’s 1.5 million refugees out of 3-4 million residents before the war of aggression started by the ukrainian fascist government.
BTW I think that because of the lack of fuel and electricity starting this autumn 10-20 million more ukrainians will emigrate to some EU countries, long lines of poor people walking in the snow.
Posted by: Blissex | Aug 18 2022 0:47 utc | 74
Details of the future being planned for Ukraine’s working people, if they survive their careers as cannon fodder at the Front.
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/class-struggle-inside-ukraine/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 0:51 utc | 75
pretzelattack@64
Precisely, this could be catching, already Amnesty has confirmed, what everyone knows, that Israel is an Apartheid state.
Amnesty was set up to campaign against the Soviet Union, for christ’s sake, not attack imperialism’s outposts. No wonder some of the old hands are leaving.
Any fool can tell the truth, it takes a well financed, carefully organised astroturf set up to do what Amnesty does.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 1:02 utc | 76
@ Petri Krohn | Aug 17 2022 21:55 utc | 51
Then the released photos are “fake” as far as the attack on the NPP goes. The hardware shown was not found there.
No Ukrainian aircraft or ground launcher would be able to support the old analog interface of an early generation Hellfire. Early generation models are well beyond their service shelf life, and not for combat anymore.
Then the question of who was using a laser designator, and where were they located? Across the river has a low angle for a ground unit to be able to designate inside a large set of structures. None of the UAV’s that Ukraine uses can support a NATO designator. And if they did, why would they resort to using a missile so old and not reliable?
Brimstone is just a catch phrase also. It is radar guided, with logic for recognizing vehicles in the radar return. Buildings would just be clutter, although it would eventually hit something, anything. There is a reason the UK is giving the original versions away.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 18 2022 1:02 utc | 77
Midterms coming – desperate Democrats could attack Russian planes to “defend civilians in western Ukraine.”
Nancy Pelosi tried to get China to act against the U.S. in some way so that Biden could pose as “our defender against China”. Just like they pretended to “stand up for democracy” by attacking Donbass.
They need something in foreign policy for the midterms. The raid on Mar-A-Lago obviously backfired. The Jan 6 committee doesn’t interest people.
This is when Democrat foreign policy gets even more dangerous. Don’t think they’ll just wait until they lose the House.
Posted by: Tenet | Aug 18 2022 1:09 utc | 78
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 17 2022 23:47 utc | 65
But aren’t Russia and China objectively enemies of American state now? The state of USA is an enemy to China and Russia, won’t you agree?
Good questions…I guess I’m too caught up in my own way of thinking because I don’t consider China or Russia to be enemies of my country. That said, elected officials of the government and the ‘deep state’ underneath certainly formulate policies and act on them in a way that places Russia and China in the position of an enemy. So, I would consider that to be ‘de facto’ enemies, even though the US has not declared war, and China and Russia have not officially declared war on the US which would make all those nations ‘de jure’ enemies of each other.
Or, otherwise, who are foreign enemies of DC?
Well, the better question is who isn’t an enemy of the US? Whether or not the US has declared war on any country, thus making them formal enemies in my opinion, the US, considers almost every country to be a potential enemy. I think the only country right now that is not considered an enemy would be Israel and maybe the UK. Even allies get treated as partial or potential enemies – I think Hudson’s explanation of how the US manipulates Germany and Europe shows that while they are not to be treated as ‘de facto’ enemies, like Russia, they can be treated as one would treat an enemy, with disregard for the interests of that country and with a willingness, if not outright intention, to subvert those nations in order to advance the ‘national interests’ of the US.
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 18 2022 1:10 utc | 79
Anyway, I predict this war will be over before the end of the year. At least all real fighting.
Zelensky’s side has two defense lines left in Donbass, and they are crumbling. Just recently Russia took one of the towns in the easternmost line.
When those lines are gone, there’s nothing left on the eastern side of the river. Unless the Ukrainians would fight out in the open, which they won’t.
Most people don’t know this: Donbass is the high-industry region, and the industries are in the middle of the towns and cities. They were built to withstand nuclear attacks. The Ukrainian soldiers hunker down in those factory buildings, that’s why it’s so hard to dislodge them with artillery.
When those defense lines are gone, the Ukrainians can no longer use that middle-of-the-town tactic.
Posted by: Tenet | Aug 18 2022 1:21 utc | 80
Thierry Meyssan is back from vacation. His latest article links the current campaign against Russia with Taiwan.
“Renewing the strategies of Germany during the First World War and of the United States and the Ukrainian integral nationalists during the Cold War, the Westerners have just created a Forum of the free peoples of Russia. The aim is to prolong the break-up of the USSR, to create separatist movements and, ultimately, to proclaim the independence of twenty regions of the country. …”
https://www.voltairenet.org/article217765.html
Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2022 1:48 utc | 81
@50
Yes, you’re correct. I should have used the newer address as that is where the quote I used originates. Still, it seems in just a week’s time everyone of interest smells blood in the water. About time.
Posted by: elmagnosr | Aug 18 2022 1:58 utc | 82
“@75 Blissex, The term “fascist Ukrainian government” in your examples isn’t correct since the US government controls Ukr. gov. Ukraine isn’t a sovereign nation, is a US colony, esp. the last 8 deadly yrs. In 2014 US violently overthrew Ukr’s elected government and selected Ukraine’s next PM. It was US who decided to attack innocent civilians in Donbas– forever if necessary, it was US who decided Donbass children should grow up in basements for 8+ years. Billions of US taxpayer dollars have flowed to Ukr. for decades. Those dollars paid for the weapons, the ammunition, salaries and living expenses to keep the cruelty in Donbass going indefinitely. If you decide to accept US “help,” your country ceases to exist, will be plundered to its last penny. It’s US that caused poor Ukrainians “walking in the snow:”
“Starting this autumn 10-20 million more ukrainians will emigrate to some EU countries, long lines of poor people walking in the snow….
The fascist ukrainian government was bankrupt because of looting and incompetence well before 2022, and most of ukrainians are very poor.
* The RF military are destroying ukrainian logistics during the spring and summer campaigns, and taking the Novorossya areas where most of the factories and mines and farms are, also to ensure that this winter they will have supplies.
* “Winter is coming”. This winter most of central Ukraine will be without enough heating, electricity, food.
* Central ukraine is very far from possible supply points at the polish and romanian border (the ukrainians have closed all of their Black Sea ports so they cannot be used for imports), and the fascist ukrainian government does not have enough transport capacity, even if they had the money to import them.
* Anyhow even if transport were available, most fuel and food supplies would be stolen, and anyhow most ukrainians would not have the money to buy them, as the ukrainian economy has collapsed.
* This is a milder version of what the fascists ukrainian government have been doing during their war of aggression against the Donbas: they cut off electricity, water, food, heating supplies 8 years ago, hoping that the people of Donbas (and Crimea) would starve and freeze and thus have mass death or mass emigration.”…
Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 18 2022 2:01 utc | 83
… while they are not to be treated as ‘de facto’ enemies, like Russia, they can be treated as one…
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 18 2022 1:10 utc | 80
Oh, that is too deep. My last question actually was more shallow.
I only meant, what shouod a fellow American answer to such a survey? If an American commoner is asked to name a foreign enemy of the state (and he makes a distinction between his personal self and the state; he would neither parrot MSM spin, nor project his personal enmities to DC) – and he would refuse to name China and Russia – then whom would be left to be named? Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, who? Those all are to small to be USA’s enemies. They have their plate full just standijg their ground, threatening USA is above their weight.
Turkey, Iran? Same, and additionally too far away.
Germany and Japan can become enemies, but are not now.
So, yes, i think a rational American would hardly find “more of enemies” to the state than Russia and China, regardless if his personal sympathies. There is just no any other rationally possible answer.
And that is the art of statistics – word your question so that people would not have much options to give wrong answers.
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 18 2022 2:02 utc | 84
@ bevin | Aug 18 2022 1:48 utc | 82 with a link to the latest from Thierry Meyssan…thanks
The quote I like is the ending of the piece.
On August 15, 2022, President Vladimir Putin, who is acutely aware of this Western strategy, announced the convening of a world anti-Nazi conference in Moscow.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2022 2:31 utc | 85
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 18 2022 2:02 utc | 85
Understood – that’s why polling is such a ‘science’.
I’ve found it hard to figure out how to respond to other barflies sometimes. There are so many aged whiskeys here at the bar that I try to make sure I know my peaty from my smoky…perhaps going too deep sometimes. I’ve also, as have others, had a hard time making irony work as tone, rhythm, body language, and facial gestures are non-existent.
I guess my main issue with that poll, other than the slanting of the ‘conspiracy theory’ questions, was how to reconcile so many Americans who don’t believe in US foreign policy yet buy into the ‘enemies’ as forwarded by the same foreign policy establishment.
Thanks for your reply. Down the hatch!
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 18 2022 2:49 utc | 86
bevin @82–
Thanks for that link. I recall from the earliest Bond films and books the organization called SPECTRE–Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion–which I’d say is a projection of Plunder Inc because that’s what it does to acquire its loot. All the orgs listed in the article easily fit within SPECTRE’s description. The last Bond film I watched was The World’s Not Enough, so my connection here isn’t being prompted by the recent Bond film with that title. It connects with the underlying reason why a dismantled Russia’s desired–Plunder.
If you haven’t, I suggest going to Saker’s and reading Shoigu’s speech to the security conference to get the global view of the current conflict. Yes, the Unipolar Order is broken but the emerging Multipolar Order is still too weak and remains vulnerable.
@ Objective Observer, Arioch.
Being called an enemy of America is one of the highest honors–if not the highest honor–that you can achieve, given that the United States of America is the world’s leading mass murdering war criminal nation by light years.
Moreover, America doesn’t have allies.
America only has enemies, vassals, and future vassals.
Give this reality, what would any self-respecting country choose?
To be America’s bitch or to be America’s enemy.
Posted by: ak74 | Aug 18 2022 3:28 utc | 88
Thinking of all those freezing nazis in the west of Ukraine.
They have a grid network problem or two.
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/library/national_energy_grid/ukraine/ukrainiannationalelectricitygrid.shtml
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 18 2022 3:57 utc | 89
RT reports on a recent poll result dealing with Biden’s Imperial policy:
The majority of Americans either strongly or somewhat oppose President Joe Biden’s foreign policy, according to the results of an Economist/YouGov poll released on Wednesday. Even among Democrats, one in five do not support Biden’s handling of the world, while independents are more in line with the Republicans, the survey showed.
Only 16% of the 1,500 adult US citizens surveyed said they “strongly approve” of the way Biden is handling foreign policy, the poll shows. Another 25% “somewhat” approve, for a 41% total. Meanwhile, 37% strongly disapprove and 14% somewhat, for a combined total of 51%.
When the question was narrowed down to the 1,312 registered voters, disapproval rose to 53% while Biden’s support crept up to 42%.
Interestingly, the poll was heavily weighted in favor of the Democrats, with 540 of those surveyed identifying as such, compared to just 382 Republicans and 572 independents.
Not surprisingly, Democrats still back their man in the White House, with 74% supporting his foreign policy. However, almost one in five – 19% – do not. Only 12% of Republicans approve of Biden’s diplomacy, while 85% do not. Among the independents, combined disapproval adds up to 57%, while only 28% approve of Biden’s foreign policy, and only 8% do so strongly.
Yes I know, the poll’s too vague. A specific question like waging war against Russia or using Ukrainians as cannon fodder would be far better.
karlof1 #91
Here is the man the democrats support. If you can tolerate 90 seconds of galling idiocy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEQy-vvCemw
I reckon he is good for another few months…
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 18 2022 4:19 utc | 92
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 4:05 utc | 91
Link to actual polling information here:poll
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 18 2022 4:22 utc | 93
Lindsey Snell’s Ishgal website published an article about her interviews in Ukraine with Ukraine International Legion types – seriously debased humans, but much of this has been reported in bits and pieces by now, but I don’t recall seeing all this in one place before.
“Everyone’s a little problematic in Ukraine’s International Legion”
by Lindsey Snell and Cory Popp, August 17, 2022
She also did an interview on YouTube’s the UsefulIdiots channel (Katie Halper/Aaron Mate) earlier this month that I found interesting – someone may have already posted it. About 25 min. and well worth it. Lindsay’s experiences reporting from the Ukrainian side and some highlights. Sounds like she was in Germany. Guess they didn’t arrest her, seize her bank account or throw her in prison – yet – a la Alina Lipp.
Reporting from Ukraine: Lindsey Snell
Intro at 13:36 mark, Interview with Lindsey at 20:36 mark to end
Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 18 2022 4:27 utc | 94
@ PavewayIV | Aug 18 2022 4:27 utc | 95
i watched the 2nd link a week or so ago… it is worth watching if anyone is interested..
your first link and read is pretty outrageous… i didn’t check the videos inside of it… thanks for sharing…
Posted by: james | Aug 18 2022 4:54 utc | 95
Petri Krohn „I blame Wikipedia!“
Wikipedia is a supporting instrument of the MSM. Hence the CC conditions in which the author must also agree to the free commercial exploitation of contributions, i.e. rights of use are completely undermined.
This “online encyclopaedia” is anything but objective. The intertwining of the interests of the commercial media with those of Wikipedia are obvious, a kind of “historically correct” historiography. It is obviously an incestuous relationship, but it goes even deeper by monopolizing interpretations of historical events.
Posted by: Ted | Aug 18 2022 4:58 utc | 96
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 18 2022 4:19 utc | 93
I do not know whether to laugh or cry
It is becoming impossible to hide Biden’s sharp decline. I think perhaps there may once ve been a chance to hide his dementia until the end of his term, but I think that is now very unlikely. He was seriously away with the pixies.
So I guess we need to all be bracing for president Harris.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 18 2022 5:01 utc | 97
@uncle tungsten | Aug 18 2022 3:57 utc | 90
Power problems, “kinetic attacks on Zaporizhzhia NPP”; do these have any connection to my friends in Tallinn yesterday, everyone in Estonia even, self-disconnecting their electrical power?
They mentioned, in-panic mode, a domestic supply cost of around
€4000 per KWh, (from wet Italy I could only find a wholesale EE price cap of similar price peaks per MWh, but under repeated questioning they insisted killer watts and domestic price….) Nevertheless, everyone madly unplugged everything yesterday!
news.err.ee/1608687625/estonia-s-average-electricity-price-to-drop-to-555-per-mwh-on-thursday
Maybe there’s more on Postimees.ee
Posted by: David.in.Italy | Aug 18 2022 5:08 utc | 98
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 17 2022 20:45 utc | 41
Posted by: ld | Aug 17 2022 21:17 utc | 46
Surprise, surprise dated August 11th, 2022. The headline “Russian MFA dismisses fake reports of North Korean volunteers in Ukraine operation”, appears.
Sadly, just another piece of trash CIA/USSA fake propaganda news. 🙁
Well it looks like this on again, off again news is back on again! From Sputnik News (https://sputniknews.com/20220818/unsc-sanctions-on-hiring-of-workers-from-nkorea-do-not-apply-to-donbas—moscow-1099716056.html):
Earlier, the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, said the republic is negotiating with Pyongyang on the arrival of builders from North Korea. In July, North Korea recognized the independence of the DPR and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR).
“The recruitment of labor from North Korea is subject to international restrictions established by UN Security Council resolutions. However, it must be taken into account that they apply to the member states of the world organization, which the people’s republics of Donbas are not,” Ilyichev said.
Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 18 2022 5:15 utc | 99
Posted by: watcher | Aug 18 2022 5:01 utc | 98
It is becoming impossible to hide Biden’s sharp decline. I think perhaps there may once ve been a chance to hide his dementia until the end of his term, but I think that is now very unlikely. He was seriously away with the pixies.
So I guess we need to all be bracing for president Harris.
It’s becoming increasing clear and dangerous that the Demented Joe might not make it to the November elections (2 months to go). Question is what October Surprise awaits all of us with regards to Ukraine and Taiwan? Or Serbia/Kosovo? Or Iran/Israel? Or North/South Korea? Am I missing anyone?
Another scary thought: Fruit Salad Karmala would technically succeed her boss, but could Demented Jane do a Johnson move like November 22, 1963 and end up as the POTUS? If so, Ukraine AND Taiwan will really go hot!
Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 18 2022 5:24 utc | 100