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August 14, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-130
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Link Posted by: Summary | Aug 14 2022 12:26 utc | 1 The Guardian published a selfie video from Shitenskyy saying, in short, that they’ll attack ZNPP and kill everyone working there and they’ll also “block” the whole Russian nuclear energy. Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 12:38 utc | 3 Qualcosa non torna, l’impressione è che sia tutto un gioco delle parti, tanto a lasciarci la pelle sono sempre e solo i poveracci. Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 12:54 utc | 4 Catherine Viner is a disaster as editor at The Grauniad. She has made the rag complete Cultist like AppleTV. If you don’t inject the drugs you cannot enter the paradigm. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 14 2022 12:59 utc | 5 As for The Rodent in Kiev – he has really run out of show runners Posted by: Jpc | Aug 14 2022 13:02 utc | 6 The guardianistas have such hard ons for death and destruction it’s actually quite alarming. Posted by: Jpc | Aug 14 2022 13:12 utc | 7 @Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 12:54 utc | 4 Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 13:33 utc | 8 Re post no 6: Posted by: daniel_s | Aug 14 2022 13:35 utc | 9 Si che puzza, puzza di soldati e civili in putrefazione grazie alle armi fornite dai paesi ostili trasportate grazie al gasolio fornito dai russi, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 13:43 utc | 10 Thanks for the link, Posted by: act | Aug 14 2022 13:59 utc | 11 “Ukraine will target Russian forces at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, says Zelenskiy” Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 14 2022 14:24 utc | 12 Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 13:43 utc | 10 Posted by: LuBa | Aug 14 2022 14:28 utc | 13 The attack today included kamikaze drones. Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 14:37 utc | 14 act | Aug 14 2022 13:59 utc | 11 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 14 2022 14:41 utc | 15 Yes, it stinks, it stinks of rotting soldiers and civilians thanks to the weapons supplied by hostile countries transported thanks to the diesel supplied by the Russians, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 14:48 utc | 16 @Stonebird | Aug 14 2022 14:41 utc | 15 Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 15:03 utc | 17 Patrick Lawrence: All Disquiet on the Eastern Front
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 14 2022 15:27 utc | 18 Is this latest Zelenski public insanity/delusion shaping up to give US/ZATO an excuse to remove him, or at least allow claims of “how could we have known he would blow up a NPP?”. When Amnesty International starts hinting that Zelly may be less than squeaky-clean, even with the inevitable back-tracking, you know there are cracks forming in the US/ZATO propaganda edifice. Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 14 2022 15:33 utc | 19 This morning I did one of my periodic checks at thedailyblog.co.nz for Ukraine news – just one of their usual mainstream slants was up focusing on the two shockers, the Znuclear plant shelling and the Crimea airfield explosions. The author averred that the first was of no consequence, but admitted it was unlikely to be caused by the Russians – a big admission in light of his otherwise extremely negative appraisal of Russian activity in Ukraine. Posted by: juliania | Aug 14 2022 15:56 utc | 20 Posted by: Jpc | Aug 14 2022 13:02 utc | 6 I feel sorry for the Ukrainian people, voting for that idiot and hoping for change. Sounds like the US in some respects. He may actually believe what he is saying in the video. He is just repeating what he is being told by his handlers. Posted by: circumspect | Aug 14 2022 15:58 utc | 22 1- Western Europe should stop funding Eastern Europe if they continue their lunatic provocations against Russia Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 14 2022 16:05 utc | 23 Misster Ellen Sky high is as disposable a marionette as HH and almost every western corporate banker owned and run politician and general has been for decades , centuries now if you count the various Royal Houses. His eccentricities and green screens and current spate of vblogg clips are aimed at tempering the Narrative as it seems to be heading towards a swifter collapse than planned. No it ain’t going to be a endless money spinner. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 14 2022 16:40 utc | 24 The head of Ukraine’s largest TV conglomerate says the door is wide open for Zelensky’s return to its comedy channel. His experience throughout in running the UAF should stand him in good stead for a prime time slot. Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 14 2022 16:42 utc | 25 Baltic midget states seem to be blind. They have Russian population on their territory which they are starting to abuse the same way Ukraine gov did since 2014. They should take a note what came out of it – or better said what came in – lot of angry Russian troops. Posted by: Abe | Aug 14 2022 16:43 utc | 26 I have been giving serious thought over the past months about the Donbass, Crimea and the South and East of Ukraine and also the fact that the UAF is shelling, consistently and daily, civilians, using them as human shields and arresting anyone who speaks Russian or expresses even a pro-Russian opinion. Firstly, I am sick and tired of the industrial levels of propaganda and censorship of any other point of view other than the ‘official’ narrative which is total lies and distortion. There is no truth whatsoever in it. Secondly, whilst I get the issue of the GDP with regards to the East and South of Urkaine which is crucial, I mean really crucial, to the Ukranian economy, I am struggling to find reasons as to why the UKR Govt are so desperate to hang on to Donbass and south and east urkaine since they consider them to be ubermenscen not worthy of any consideration other than to be killed, tortured, starved, blockaded and treated as vermin. This smacks of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Why is the UKR Govt so intent on recapturing this territory when it is not interested in the Minsk Accords, when they are daily shelling and killing civilians in these areas and are banning the Russian Language and Russian language from these areas. The collective West seem to be unable to answer these questions. I have never, never, in my lifetime, seen such blatant excuse making to cover up for excessive UAF War Crimes, for the genocide over 8yrs of anything up to 22,000 Donbass inhabitants, of the torture by Azov of residents in these areas, of the almost near deification of a President who is a Nazi, a Tyrant and a ruthless Dictator and a coke addict to boot. My Goodness, I hope the collective West rot in hell and I live in the UK. Once I get my Pension I’m moving to a country in Africa which I shall not name (in one year’s time) to escape this industrial level of censorship, propaganda and outright lies perpetrated by our Govt and the collective West. The British people deserve everything that’s coming to them because they are totally ignorant, judgemental, don’t question anything and are so self-absorbed they don’t even want to know the truth. Thank God for Putin, Xijing Pin, the President of India, Imran Khan, Victor Orban, the President of Georgia and Vucic. I’m going to include the President of Austria here who is talking a whole lot of sense also. God knows that one day, in the very near future, when the Pan Eurasian Collusus Pompeo talked about recently is reality and it won’t be so long coming and BRICS expands as does the SCO, the collective West will sooner, rather than later, be desperate for a trading relationship with Eurasia, China, Russia etc. The answer will be a resounding NO! A bunch of WEF fanatics who are, ultimately, going nowhere will have no answers other than an attempt to impose an uber collective West dictatorship which will fail. There can be no doubt, the stock markets are on the brink of collapse, the USD$ is in decline and will be eradicated by BRICS, the petro dollar is rapidly becoming worthless and the countries the USA has sanctioned will not give a damn about them as they are illegal. Go Dutch farmers, go!! Oust Rutte by revolutionary means, France, oust Macron in the same manner. The people of the UK will just be seduced by the propaganda, censorship and lies and do nothing until the Weimar Republic levels of poverty hit. Only then, will they do something. As Karl Marx said, the only revolution in the UK will be in Gardening!1 How true!! Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 14 2022 16:57 utc | 27 In German TV news today not a word about Ukraine! Ukraine wasn’t even mentioned! Posted by: mac99 | Aug 14 2022 17:04 utc | 28 Abe | Aug 14 2022 16:43 utc | 26 Posted by: bevin | Aug 14 2022 17:08 utc | 29 I think the West is taken aback by the nuclear plant Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 17:10 utc | 30 Jo Dominich no. 27 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 14 2022 17:11 utc | 31 By the smell of burnt tyres I have the feeling that Zelensky’s train has left the station, first it was Friedman dumping it on him, then CBS even if they corrected the tweet, now Newsweek, and slowly the rats are abandoning a sinking ship. He should run to Moscow, it is probably the only place where he would save his skin, to rest in a nice detention center, he could share chamber with another fallen sacred cow, nakhalny Navalny. Posted by: Paco | Aug 14 2022 17:12 utc | 32 @Old canadian | Aug 14 2022 15:33 utc | 19
Very true. People must and will have to connect the dots. The truth is not selectable from a menu. Truth comes from evidence and reason. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 17:14 utc | 33 Baltic midget states seem to be blind. They have Russian population on their territory which they are starting to abuse the same way Ukraine gov did since 2014. Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 17:16 utc | 34 The thing with the Guardian’s Tisdall, and many others like him in the West’s commentariot, is a naive conviction in the force superiority of NATO which hinders the ability to apply escalation logics to battlefields. Posted by: jayc | Aug 14 2022 17:17 utc | 35 @Carlos Marques | Aug 14 2022 16:05 utc | 23 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 17:18 utc | 36 bevin | Aug 14 2022 17:08 utc | 29 Posted by: Abe | Aug 14 2022 17:21 utc | 37 @Abe | Aug 14 2022 16:43 utc | 26
Obviously it is the same game, the US is using the Baltic midgets to provoke Russia, fight Russia to the last Latvian etc., with the ‘added benefit’ of them being NATO members, so when it blows up they will scream ‘Article 5’ and have their world war. This didn’t work with Ukraine. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 17:23 utc | 38 @37 Seems ethnic Russians can and do vote in Latvia (mainly for Harmony party). But they are still a 25% minority so lack real power. Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2022 17:41 utc | 39 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 17:23 utc | 38 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 14 2022 17:50 utc | 40 Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 17:23 utc | 38 Posted by: Abe | Aug 14 2022 17:58 utc | 41 Russia does not shell the Khmelnitsky, Rivne, Chernobyl nuclear power plants, for some reason it shells the Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, and that too with Himars…well? 🤔 Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 18:04 utc | 42 Clearly, Biden’s offer of a military alliance not only had no takers in the Arab world but they seem petrified. If as the Bible says, there are three brands of deception — vanity, flattery, and blasphemy — and Satan uses all three, Biden’s offer contains elements of all three. And if the SCO offers an antidote to the poisoned chalice, why not? Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 18:08 utc | 43 that guardian article was quite revealing…. as i think stonebird mentioned – they totally got bought by the deep state a number of years ago… Posted by: james | Aug 14 2022 18:09 utc | 44 August 9 Saky Event Assessment Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 No problem, US will send more. A few long range himars and drones is all they need for terrorism. Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 18:24 utc | 46 @40 “Russia will finish off Ukraine and absolutely obliterate Baltic states if they force it.” Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2022 18:28 utc | 47 @Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 18:31 utc | 48 @ Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 Posted by: james | Aug 14 2022 18:36 utc | 49 Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 14 2022 18:46 utc | 50 dh | Aug 14 2022 18:28 utc | 47 Posted by: rk | Aug 14 2022 18:46 utc | 51 “Trump’s supporters will never believe the FBI investigation against Trump is a pure legal case. Just as Trump claims, his supporters will only believe this is a persecution and witch-hunt launched by the Democrats and the Biden administration. No matter how and what the mainstream US media and the Democrats say, it’s impossible for them to convince Trump supporters, a huge amount of US voters, to peacefully accept the result if Trump has been sentenced to prison or has been banned from running for election again.” – Lü Xiang Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 18:51 utc | 52 Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 14 2022 15:33 utc | 19 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 19:01 utc | 53 rk @ 30 Posted by: circumspect | Aug 14 2022 19:05 utc | 54 I am not a Muslim, but I am for Iran to acquire nuclear bomb/missile capacity. It’d acquire that capacity anyway, whatever the US illegal sanctions. With all the might the US claim to have, it didn’t attack North Korea. Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 19:12 utc | 55 Posted by: Paco | Aug 14 2022 17:12 utc | 32 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 19:19 utc | 56 >> Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 14 2022 19:23 utc | 57 @ Sushi | Aug 14 2022 19:01 utc | 53 Posted by: james | Aug 14 2022 19:39 utc | 58 @51 ‘Closing the passage is crazy talk from Estonia.’ Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2022 19:51 utc | 59 “…Tisdall’s piece, though, is another reminder that the ongoing 8 year proxy war was and remains a regime-change operation directed at Putin, which has been visibly ineffective,..” jayc@35 Posted by: bevin | Aug 14 2022 19:52 utc | 60 rk | Aug 14 2022 17:16 utc | 34 Posted by: Abe | Aug 14 2022 20:11 utc | 61 British paper says Russia patrol boat of Vasily Bykov type has exploded and is on fire. There is video of it on the site. Newpaper cites OSINT specialist saying it was hit by Ukro missiles off Sevastopol. Posted by: Brother Ma | Aug 14 2022 20:18 utc | 62 With the Trump Mar-a-lago debacle in the US, by November this year, maybe a civil war might start in the US. It’d be quite hard to convince the huge amount of Trump supporters on a ban for Trump to run again. Even though secession is sort of illegal, who is going to stop US states breaking away? The national guard? Nothing is permanent, so there’s chance for the US to break into 5-6 portions. Biden’s foolish attack on Trump might help that happen.😏 Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 20:21 utc | 63 With the concession that I am possessed of zero military expertise, I ask the following question — in that the Allied forces have broken through the fortified defence at Pisky and thereby have flanked the Ukr forces to their left and right, why hasn’t this advantageous situation been taken advantage of by blitzing both sides if the defended wall while attacking those positions from behind? Posted by: chet380 | Aug 14 2022 20:31 utc | 64 the west is behind the targeting of the plant. they have bunkers. we don’t. Posted by: polarbear4 | Aug 14 2022 20:35 utc | 65 @Sushi | Aug 14 2022 18:15 utc | 45 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2022 20:56 utc | 66 Yes, it stinks, it stinks of rotting soldiers and civilians thanks to the weapons supplied by hostile countries transported thanks to the diesel supplied by the Russians, Posted by: Guernica | Aug 14 2022 21:00 utc | 67 Gleb Gerasimov sent me this on the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant, Ukraine Posted by: paxmark1 | Aug 14 2022 21:07 utc | 68 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 19:01 utc | 53 Posted by: Brother Ma | Aug 14 2022 21:19 utc | 69 B, I think you should wait with eating crows or other small birds, because that story about Russia buying 1000 drones from Iran doesn’t add up. Posted by: rert | Aug 14 2022 21:19 utc | 70 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 19:01 utc | 53 Posted by: Peter Hegger | Aug 14 2022 21:20 utc | 71 For everyone who insisted on the absurd fiction that HIMARS struck the prison at Olenivka – here is what a GMLRS rocket impacting a brick building actually does, from today’s strike on the Wagner HQ in Popasna: Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 14 2022 21:28 utc | 72 Yes, it stinks, it stinks of rotting soldiers and civilians thanks to the weapons supplied by hostile countries transported thanks to the diesel supplied by the Russians, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Aug 14 2022 21:33 utc | 73 But these are not Wagner troops laur sleeve insignia! Posted by: mac999 | Aug 14 2022 21:37 utc | 74 The Russian forces took Energodar NPP on the 28th February and since then it is under their control. The rhetoric maintained by the West/Ukraine that Russia is bombing themselves, where they are since 28th February is just nonsense. Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 21:38 utc | 75 Mercouris at The Duran is horrified at the suggestion of a British writer that the west should assassinate Putin. Posted by: digital dinosaur | Aug 14 2022 21:47 utc | 78 Current momentum will see Donbass liberated mid to late August. In the last few weeks alone there must be upwards of 20k KIA (many among the UAF elite Nazis )- wounded and desertions Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 14 2022 21:50 utc | 79 He states that an early Referendum will enable Russia to draw upon conscripts, thus releasing troops for the frontlines/mobilisations. Posted by: rp | Aug 14 2022 21:56 utc | 80 The New York Times has reviewed satellite imagery of the Saki Air Base, collected by Planet Labs hours before and a day after the explosions. The pictures show what appear to be three large craters and at least eight destroyed aircraft, both Su-24 and Su-30 warplanes Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 14 2022 22:02 utc | 81 Yenwoda | Aug 14 2022 21:28 utc | 72 Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 14 2022 22:11 utc | 82 Here is some news on Ukrainian war crimes: Posted by: Paul | Aug 14 2022 22:13 utc | 83 Perhaps the answer to the reasons for the decline in supplies is simple — the arsenals are emptying. Posted by: Guernica | Aug 14 2022 22:22 utc | 84 PavewayIV Thanks Posted by: mac99 | Aug 14 2022 22:31 utc | 85 Re: Popasnaya
It is from a Russian hit on an Ukrainian mercenary base. I first saw it about a month ago.
Source of photos (Wagner-linked Telegram channel): Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 14 2022 22:34 utc | 86 Original coat of arms of the Wagner group Posted by: mac999 | Aug 14 2022 22:37 utc | 87 act | Aug 14 2022 13:59 utc | 11 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 14 2022 23:00 utc | 88 Outlaw US Empire escalation using Baltics as proxy began with blockade of Kaliningrad transport followed by Latvia’s trial balloon of calling Russia state terrorism sponsor, which is also being considered by US Congress as I related yesterday. Those hoping Baltics will be “obliterated” are quite wrong and are likely ignorant of the Russian laws aimed at protecting out-of-country compatriots. Any attacks on the Baltics will follow the example made in Ukraine. Why they remain when so many opportunities are available within Russia is a perplexing question. Perhaps the “This too shall pass” sentiment remains very strong. It would be excellent to hear some testimony from ethnic Russians living in the Baltics on this issue.
There’s a big government disconnect within the second bullet point that tells us they’re lying about the unemployment rate. Worldometer says US population is 335,155,993 as of today, while BLS cited by Shadowstats says the workforce is just under 164 million, meaning over 50% of the population is either retired, in school, or not seeking employment. So, which unemployment number do you believe: BLS 3.46% or Shadowstats 24.4%? If I was in Russia, I would support the SMO, but would be in the opposition against Putin, because I’m not a Conservative, and I’m Left-wing (the actual Left wing in economics (Social-Democratic Nordic Model, or what idiots in USA call “communism” and “far-left”), not the “left” wing in USA (‘woke’ fanatics that are all right-wing in economics, i.e. NeoLib). Posted by: Olivier | Aug 14 2022 23:14 utc | 90 Perhaps the Russian population in the Baltic states should start doing what Israel does in Palestine: build their own state. That would be fun to watch… Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 14 2022 23:15 utc | 91 @sushi: Posted by: sumbody | Aug 14 2022 23:17 utc | 92 @Petri, @Paveway, yep. Think you guys are right, apologies for sharing bad info and good eye. Saw that was retweeted by an OSINT account that is usually solid but not in this case. Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 14 2022 23:50 utc | 93 Posted by: james | Aug 14 2022 19:39 utc | 58 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 14 2022 23:57 utc | 94 Posted by: Peter Hegger | Aug 14 2022 21:20 utc | 71 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 15 2022 0:07 utc | 95 Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 14 2022 21:28 utc | 72 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 15 2022 0:20 utc | 96 From the Week in Review:
What tactics is the US proposing instead? Brinkmanship and nuclear terror? Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 15 2022 0:42 utc | 98 @96 Sushi Posted by: TheHourIsGettingLate | Aug 15 2022 0:51 utc | 99 Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 14 2022 22:02 utc | 81 Posted by: Sushi | Aug 15 2022 0:53 utc | 100 |
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