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August 11, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-127
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Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2022 20:44 utc | 96
Excellent, most of all shedding light on the Hole Land, a country that changes his name -like a bankrupt corporation- has many things to hide, laying low but with a lot of crimes in their closet, they adopted an ethereal light name, the Nederlands… it won’t hide their evil deeds.
Posted by: Paco | Aug 11 2022 20:53 utc | 101
Russia we hope would wake up and dispose of this SMO and realize they are in a new world war and act accordingly.
Posted by: Ken B | Aug 11 2022 21:01 utc | 102
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2022 20:34 utc | 93
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Thanks for the link. Interesting two guys.
It happened in South Vietnam, it happened in Afghanistan…
The Ukraine is on life-support…😏
Posted by: rp | Aug 11 2022 21:03 utc | 103
BurnEye Minds3rdEye #88
it’s time to light em up!
Agreed. And from what I see that light ’em up has been escalating for the past months.
On the Crimean airport disaster: The close location of ammo storage and plane park bays is just so mind blowing stupid as to make you weep.
On the broader battlefront it is clear that the technology for rapid identification via radar, satellite or drone of artillery movements leaves a lot to be desired. The link between location id and response time seems poor.
I can only guess there is some active research going on.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 21:07 utc | 104
With respect to the Ukr campaign to attempt to cause confusion as to responsibility for the bombing of the nuclear power plant, perhaps this suggestion might put the issue beyond dispute — without announcing its intention to do so, Russia can completely stop any outgoing artillery action for a four or five hour period on a given day — any incoming artillery fire during that period would be attributable to the Ukrs alone — some trusted independents could be advised of this action in advance for verification.
Posted by: chet380 | Aug 11 2022 21:13 utc | 105
IF Russias deficit is 10 billion (dollars or rubles) this year they would still be the most financially thrifty nation on earth of their size, perhaps of all. Most nations bet on garbage financial products and their deficits are closer to 100% + of their GDP. They have borrowed their way into the poorhouse and have to counterfeit their currency to maintain the illusion that it is not fraud on their people, and anyone that bets on the trash.
Don’t let the financiers tell you that Russia is suffering a monetary deficit, they simply want to hide that their own nations are skint. The US alone has hundreds of trillions of debt alleged to be in “derivative” bets in various casinos guaranteed to fail if any bank anywhere sneezes
Is no one an armchair economist here? Poodle bites, Poodle chews it.
Posted by: Tard | Aug 11 2022 21:13 utc | 106
@ Carlos Marques | 11 de agosto de 2022 19:16 utc | 76
Thanks for the excellent and accurate summary.
Posted by: SCan | Aug 11 2022 21:21 utc | 107
bevin #96
The policy of using Ukraine to provoke Russia into a weakening war, was really a bet, by the children running the Empire in these days when its nominal leaders are in their second childhood, that if the Russian middle class could not get its Jack Daniels, Levis and cruises in the Mediterranean it would run amok, tear down the government and give Russia away, again, to the inventors of Vogue, Hollywood and the New York Times. It is clear enough now that that is not going to happen and that those who cannot tear themselves away from waiting for its coming are doomed to see, in its place, the new orientation towards China, India and Persia. Nor will it be long before they see the cold and saxon peripheries-Australasia, for example- as well as the first outposts of Empire, such as Brazil, Bolivia, the Caribbean and south Africa, detaching themselves and gravitating inexorably towards the
eurasian heartlands.
Thank you bevin for fine prose. Unfortunately the Australian elite and its presstitute corps are wedded to the ‘love yankee’ dazzle and it will take a miracle for them to see their folly 🙁
This week the Chinese Ambassador to Australia addressed the National press luncheon and what a sorry episode it was. The Ambassador firmly reminded them of many realities etc…
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 21:35 utc | 108
gerimov | Aug 11 2022 14:09 utc | 7
xor | Aug 11 2022 17:08 utc | 60
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Yeah, the Moscow Times is the equivalent of Voice of America or Radio Free Europe, likely another CIA/NED/USAID agitprop channel. It moved from Moscow to The Netherlands five years ago, serving a dwindling audience of foreign expats working in Russia with a strong pro-Western/ anti-Russian bias. NOT a credible source of objective info.
This bit is laughable (and deceitful): “The gas war with Europe, the falling economy and the out-of-control ruble exchange rate have dealt a heavy blow to the Russian budget.” Okay, that’s a technical truth, but one masking an insidious lie. True, Russia is concerned about the exchange rate … so it’s been lowering interest rates … in order to slow its out of control appreciation. The Ruble’s value has more than doubled against the almighty dollar from its nadir shortly after the SMO began. So yeah, it’s “out of control”, but in exactly the opposite direction of the author’s implication.
And then — OMG, there’s a catastrophic deficit! As a percentage of GDP, let’s accept the 1.2% in the link (a partial snapshot that likely disappears by year end). Some perspective: that’s less than 1/10 of the US deficit-to-GDP ratio — <1/10!. Not bad, while defending against all of NATO.
Better propaganda please! Moscow Netherlands Times just ain’t cuttin’ it.
Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 11 2022 21:38 utc | 109
And there are Dutch journalists who tell the truth:
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/08/10/russians-welcomed-as-liberators-in-many-eastern-ukrainian-cities-contrary-to-western-media-depictions/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2022 21:44 utc | 110
PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 19:18 utc | 86 ( in lost the riches thread) regarding Ukro/power grid, Zaporozhye NPP.
Hi Paveway, your post was mostly correct, but one two things not quite so. The “E” in ENTSO-E does not mean “East”, it simply means “European association for the cooperation of transmission system operators (TSOs) for electricity”, so “E” for “electricy”, not “East”.
And the disconnection of Ukraine’s power grid in February was not rushed or anything, but planned for a long time. It was a required demonstration, a test, that Ukraine is capable of keeping the power grid itself stable – in voltage and frequency, as needed. For this, Ukraine wanted and had to separate from the interconnected grid with Russia/Belarus in order to operate the power grid self-sufficiently for initially only 6 days. According to these plans Ukraine disconnected its grid from Russia etc. on 24.2. from 0 o’clock (technically between 0 and 4 o’clock), from about 5 o’clock the SMO started… On 28.2. Ukraine asked for a so-called emergency synchronization with the European network, because it did not want to connect to the Russian network, which was carried out on 16.3. Normally, one to two years were planned for this.
I can also provide sources for this, e.g. https://ceenergynews.com/electricity/ukrenergo-requests-emergency-synchronisation-of-the-ukrainian-power-system-with-continental-europe/
or/and contribute more, if desired. Anyway, I also see it that with the elimination of NPP Saparoshje Ukraine or UkrEnergo or the owners (sellers) would lose a lot of revenue from electricity sales to (Western) Europe and the completely broken mad Ukros with the degree of frustration would also risk a nuclear incident.
For PeterAU and his great work regarding the thrust directions at the beginning of SMO/Biological Facilities/Nuclear Power Plants etc…: There was more in the various places, including the psychological warfare/SBU headquarters in northwest Kiev, some Ukrainian weapons development headquarters in Kharkov and in the north as well as near Kiev – there is a lot that remains in the dark. Keep going.
Thanks to you, of course to b, then mainly karlov, bevin, psychohistorian, james, gruff, carlos marques (Karl Marx? :-), juliania, scorpion, exile, the Finn, paveway and a few more, sorry, for your very helpful and enlightening thoughts in these darker times.
Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Aug 11 2022 21:53 utc | 111
Chessmaster @92: “Maybe Maxar is faking their images?”
That’s just crazy! That’s like suggesting Google monkeys with search results for political reasons, YouTube shadow-bans content they don’t want you to see, and Twitter is filled with bots creating an artificial appearance of unanimity around Establishment narratives! It’s just absurd! Capitalist enterprises in the Empire of Lies & Delusion would never use their products to advance imperial interests! Perish the thought!
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 21:55 utc | 112
@Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2022 20:44 utc | 96
Some excellent history. The British Glorious Bourgeois Elite revolution of 1688 involved the removal of a King who didn’t quite understand that he was supposed to be very respectful of the bourgeois elite’s rights and privacy. The elite simply swapped him for the Dutch William of Orange who better understood how things are supposed to work in bourgeois constitutional monarchies, as the Dutch had been practising such arrangements for quite a bit longer. When William’s invading army neared London the elite arranged for the British Army simply to change sides. King James II had crushed two previous rebellions, both coming from the Netherlands, so the elites made sure it was third time lucky. New York (and the upper middle Atlantic US states) used to be New Amsterdam, until the British defeated the Dutch and took it over.
The Netherlands was the first real bourgeois capitalist state, followed by the UK and then the US. They still know which side they are on, and who needs to be kept down.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 21:55 utc | 112
But why the russian side is not publishing own images in order to refute?
Silent implies always consent.
Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 11 2022 22:14 utc | 114
from intelslava:
“… Perhaps it’s time we start striking at nuclear power plants located in Lviv…”
Posted by: OttoE | Aug 11 2022 22:15 utc | 115
NEW! script. Places, everyone.
Ukrainian resistance grows in Russian-occupied area, 9 Aug LibDem lede
Just before the bridge attack, leaflets appeared, saying, “If HIMARS can’t do it, a partisan will help.”
France
“We are giving the Ukrainian military precise coordinates for various targets, and the guerrillas’ assistance makes the new long-range weapons, particularly HIMARS, even more powerful,” Andriy told the AP. “We are invisible behind the Russian lines, and this is our strength.”
Latin America
Guerrillas have tied yellow ribbons on buildings where voting is to be held, warning residents that they could be targeted by bombs during balloting.
al-Ukraini martyrs
Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov, who also spent a long time in Russian captivity, told the AP that about 500 Ukrainian activists were detained, with many tortured. Some vanished for months after their arrest.
[…]
“The guerrillas have acted quite successfully,” [Luhansk Gov. Serhiy] Haidai told the AP. “They haven’t only spread leaflets. They also have destroyed infrastructure facilities. It helps a lot to slow down the Russian attacks and advances.”
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 11 2022 22:26 utc | 116
Just began reading the comments and realize I need to put on my virtual muck boots as the troll slime is rather thick.
Chessmaster @114: “But why the russian side is not publishing own images in order to refute?”
Perhaps the Russians just don’t care what you think.
And why should they care what you think? You think they shot down an airliner and failed at poisoning an idiot and no evidence they present can change your mind, so why concern themselves anymore with what kind of shit your head is filled with?
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 22:40 utc | 119
Thank you Bevin for that excellent history lesson. Although I try to learn history my education is spotty, and as an American, I am starting from zero.
I also want to thank Karlof1 for his current events education, especially his efforts to bring Putin, Lavrov and Strategic Culture articles to those of behind enemy lines in the USA, banned from hearing many voices.
Both posting text in comments and/or providing a link to your VK site is helpful, Karlof1. Thank you.
And of course, gratitude to B for hosting this salon, always starting the discussions with thought-provoking posts.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 11 2022 22:52 utc | 120
William Gruff #119
Perhaps the Russians just don’t care what you think.
And why should they care what you think? You think they shot down an airliner and failed at poisoning an idiot and no evidence they present can change your mind, so why concern themselves anymore with what kind of shit your head is filled with?
Thank you for that succinct explanation. Too true. The revolution is underway and it certainly is being televised.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 22:53 utc | 121
Stonebird @45–
I had an outstanding Prof of Humanities at NAU named Bensusan who passed away unexpectedly 18 months after I left which was a great loss. He invented a method of learning called the Hexadigm, some of which is based on the Book of Changes. Deep in my archives are the materials from the classes I took that someday at VK I’ll get around to writing about.
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Rae who’s confused about Chinese History and its revolutions. For our times, the several mid-19th Century, the 1911 Revolution, and the Cultural Revolution are the most important for they clearly affect today’s situation; so, I suggest you concentrate on them. The KMT-CPC Civil War I don’t classify as a Revolution. It’s agreed by most that John King Fairbank is the best modern non-Chinese scholar of China, and his list of works is beyond impressive making it hard to know which one to choose. I highly suggest clicking the following link, joining The Archive, and checking out The Great Chinese revolution, 1800-1985, and reading beginning with the Preface. Immediately you’ll note Fairbank isn’t your usual PhD. Given the time period covered, the book is short. Or you could go to alibris, search using the author or title and buy a copy for under $1.50 plus shipping and start reading it in @10 days. Prior to the Contents, you’ll see a page listing some of his other works four of which are volumes 10-13 of The Cambridge History of China.
A lot of crap’s been published about China, so who you read is extremely important. I also suggest reading the White Papers and articles I compiled and linked to @25 above.
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William Gruff #119
Perhaps the Russians just don’t care what you think.
And why should they care what you think? You think they shot down an airliner and failed at poisoning an idiot and no evidence they present can change your mind, so why concern themselves anymore with what kind of shit your head is filled with?
Thank you for that succinct explanation. Too true. The revolution is underway and it certainly is being televised.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 22:53 utc | 121
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Hear, Hear!!!
The zombies keep looking at their Plato’s Cave displays and those pretty people tell them different things from reality. Look at what this forum has become with the newbies denying Russia and now China’s stated goal of bringing down the bully of empire so the threat does not continue.
Yes, the revolution is underway. What a view! Ukraine will be the end of NATO because the bully will be defeated and that whole military build up stopped and replaced by human survival and ultimately, cooperation with others efforts…..private bankers wars will be no more and the world will experience peace.
I may be a dreamer but I am not the only one and believe “my side” is winning.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 11 2022 23:13 utc | 123
Again today at my actual office, again more “You can win Jesse (Jackson) you can win” crap in the news feed, by this time Wall Street Journal. The Ukies certainly have the media spin masters working over time…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-seeks-to-squeeze-russian-troops-as-it-girds-for-battle-for-kherson/ar-AA10xSVv?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=c2d249405655471a8945fe6d123d2bfe
Posted by: DakotaRog | Aug 11 2022 23:38 utc | 124
Hwre is an idea
Kiss the Russians butt, few times, Odessa stays in what is left of Ukraine, kick ALL the NATO OUT from the region.
to save… POLAND
Or Russia will have a border with Germany, again
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 11 2022 23:45 utc | 125
bevin, et al.
I hate to see the Spanish and Portuguese getting such short shrift in the Pantheon of European colonial/imperial development. They helped establish the fundamentals of racial capitalism directly by creating the Casta system (Spain) and the slave trade (Portugal). Spain indirectly provided much of the loot stolen by the British privateers to establish the Levant Co. which became the East India Co. which then helped to generate the excess capital necessitating the development of banks in their more modern sense.
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 11 2022 23:48 utc | 126
@ Carlos Marques | Aug 11 2022 19:34 utc | 78
Add:
Turkiye agrees to pay for Russian gas in Rubles.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/turkey-shuns-option-of-joining-energy-sanctions-against-russia-might-increase-supplies-articleshow.html
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 11 2022 23:56 utc | 127
The Latvian Parliament’s statement declaring Russia a state sponsor of terrorism has several curious qualities, one of which is the use of distinctively American English, in word choice, sentence structure, and use of voice. It is almost as if Latvia’s American curators authored the statement. But that couldn’t be, right? Latvia is fully sovereign, no? One could never imagine a circumstance in which Latvian politicians are bribed and blackmailed to follow the dictates of the United States…no, never…
Posted by: Rodney | Aug 11 2022 23:57 utc | 128
Here’s a link to a more in-depth exploration of the development of British trading companies.
LINK TO ARTICLE ABOUT BRITISH TRADE
Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 11 2022 23:58 utc | 129
RT reports Russia at the UNSC today warned about the potential for a nuclear catastrophe if the Outlaw US Empire via its Ukraine proxy continues to shell the Zaporozhye power plant. I find the failure to emphasize what I bolded above to be a huge mistake. The genuine terrorists here must be named and not hidden behind the word Kiev:
“We have repeatedly warned our Western colleagues that, should they fail to talk sense into the Kiev regime, it would take the most heinous and reckless steps, which would have consequences far beyond Ukraine,” Nebenzia told the Security Council on Thursday. “That is exactly what is happening,” he said, adding that the Western “sponsors” of Kiev would have to bear the responsibility for a potential nuclear catastrophe.
No, that’s not “exactly what is happening!!” Yes, Russia is correct to call the attacks nuclear terrorism, but Russia must name the actual terrorist, and that’s the Outlaw US Empire.
The gloves have long been removed, so call out the Empire for its actions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 11 2022 16:47 utc | 58
LOL… good one… I went outside after 2 cups of morning coffee, gauged the wind speed direction and pissed into it at a 45% angle.
Were you aiming at your M.P?
Don’t leave us in suspense. Was it hit or miss?
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 12 2022 0:27 utc | 131
@ karlof1 | Aug 12 2022 0:06 utc | 129 with the info about nuclear terrorism and frustration with current Russian response.
Thanks and while I share your frustration, I keep hearkening back to the reality that the folks that Russia (and China) are negotiating with at this point are not the puppets written about here but those behind that curtain we keep referring to…..some part of me says the crucial part of those discussions have already taken place and what we are seeing now is the denouement act of the God of Mammon play.
Its above our pay grade to decipher from the MSM and alternative sources what really is going on. That said, their is a visible challenge to the existing world “structure/interconnection” that will result in a world different from centuries past. How that plays out is yet to be seen clearly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 12 2022 0:38 utc | 133
Objective Observer@125
Agreed, the crimes of the Iberians should never be underestimated just because the Dutch robbed them blind while fighting them to a stand still.
As Roger suggests it was an indication of the superiority of capitalism as a technique in larceny.
Roger also mentioned that James II’s army deserted him. It is a mark of his restraint that he did not take the opportunity to remind us that the army in question was commanded by the direct ancestor of Winston Churchill whose enthusiasm to the Cold War had enough momentum to seduce the unlamented BoJo to stamp out peace talks in Ukraine.
Imperial history is so predictable. There is hardly a Concession Road in Ontario that does not have some sort of memorial to William of Orange.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2022 0:39 utc | 134
Thanks to you, of course to b, then mainly karlov, bevin, psychohistorian, james, gruff, carlos marques (Karl Marx? :-), juliania, scorpion, exile, the Finn, paveway and a few more, sorry, for your very helpful and enlightening thoughts in these darker times.
Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Aug 11 2022 21:53 utc | 111
And thank you too for another informative, granular post. Actually the past few days have been marveling at the range, depth and quality of so many comments here. Thanks to all and to
b
Barflies are beyond this but it’s excellent for on the fence friends and family who from a western journalist decrying the lack of journalism vs stenography. https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/11/patrick-lawrence-so-far-as-i-can-make-out/
“One day last week we read that Russian forces are cynically sheltering in the plant on the thought that the Ukrainians cannot send rockets into it—too dangerous. The next day we read that the Russians are themselves shelling the power plant they were, one day earlier, reported to be sheltering in.”
Posted by: Boringname | Aug 12 2022 0:40 utc | 136
Speaking of granular Sundance’s recent 4 part series on the US 4th branch of govt is worth going through. Nothing all that new but a thorough analysis of Deep State shenaniganery…
Poison Frogs #124
Or Russia will have a border with Germany, again
Sounds fine by me. But remember that by then Germany will have a population comprising all those poor persecuted jihadis, lots of ssUkranians and ssPolish.
Germany will be busy converting all those new lovely immigrants to the ways of the rainbow and will be too busy to fight with Russia.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2022 1:02 utc | 138
Scorpion | Aug 12 2022 0:46 utc | 136
Some Dude (as those of us who ‘know’ him refer to SD) doesn’t have a clue who or what the DS is …
and I thought from some of your previous posts that You have a clue…
Seems I was wrong.
Posted by: crone | Aug 12 2022 1:06 utc | 139
psychohistorian @132–
Thanks for your reply. On the topic of behind-the-scenes negotiations with those that matter, I just asked Pepe Escobar if he felt the upcoming SCO Summit in Samarkand will be pivotal or just another building block. I note that Lavrov has vanished from the MFA’s website since his return from his last trip, although it’s entirely possible he could be enjoying a well-earned vacation. He’s certainly active on his Telegram. Today he reports on what he’s reading in Western media, which is an indicator given his choices of what to communicate.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 22:40 utc | 119
Perhaps thats the main Russian problem in this SMO. They do not THINK. Its breathtaking with what Naivety and recklessness they approach the SMO. The message conveyed by the SMO is: “With the support of USA advisors, Javelina, Milans, Himars, Harpoons, Mavic drones and so on….everybody will be able to defy Russian military”. The enemies are watching the Ukraine theater very closely. Tiflis is sending special forces to gather valuable experience on the battlefields and guerilla warfare. These successes like at the Crimean Airport are strengthening the enemies in its strategy of challenging Russia militarily in near future. Now already Tiflis is planing with USA to open the Georgian theatre. Others will follow.
The longer the SMO takes the more Russian weaknesses and limitations will be revealed.
Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 12 2022 1:24 utc | 141
re: karlof1 | Aug 12 2022 0:06 utc | 129
you wrote: “Russia is correct to call the attacks nuclear terrorism, but Russia must name the actual terrorist, and that’s the Outlaw US Empire. The gloves have long been removed, so call out the Empire for its actions!!!”
I agree with you. The US certainly is giving the orders and it is my understanding that the US is providing targeting information to Ukraine (if that is not correct, I would like someone here to clarify please). Is the Pentagon providing coordinates for Zaporozhye to Ukraine?
A catastrophic release of radiation from Zaporozhye would be an enormous disaster. I have to wonder if Russia took this into consideration when it decided on a SMO as opposed to a true invasion?
Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 12 2022 1:38 utc | 142
@Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 11 2022 23:58 utc | 128
Here’s a link to a more in-depth exploration of the development of British trading companies.
LINK TO ARTICLE ABOUT BRITISH TRADE
Preceded by the Dutch East India Company, considered by many to be the first multinational corporation.
Also, thanks karlof1 I did not know that the Dutch built the Bank of England.
From Unz.com today … P.C.Roberts:
Here are the Russians again wasting their time and energy at US-dominated International organizations by taking their concern with Ukraine’s military attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear plant to the UN. Why does the Kremlin think that Washington or the UN cares? Why don’t the Russians simply take out the Ukrainian artillery or missile positions that are attacking the nuclear plant? It is extraordinary how capable the Kremlin is of complaining and how incapable it is of acting. A person from another world looking at this could conclude that Russia intends to lose.
Posted by: William Flannery | Aug 12 2022 1:56 utc | 144
Zaporozhye NPP is the world disaster to make a Ukrainian Nazi proud, fulfilled, and justified.
This gradualism in dealing with proven evil is tap-dancing the way to hell. Acknowledge this is a war near nuclear–not the fable marketed thus far successfully something “special” to the sentimental. Deal with it or own what is not yours to own. How irresponsible and flaccid is that? Total.
Right, Russia will never run out of weapons, etc.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 12 2022 2:04 utc | 146
SW (also Berlin)@111 – Thanks for the correction on ENTSO-E and clarification on the isolation test. It wasn’t clear to me that Ukrenergo’s isolation test from the Russian grid was supposed to last six days. The translated articles I was reading made it sound like the test was only scheduled to run for four hours and that it had ended when the SMO started. Ukraine’s call for ’emergency synchronization’ and connection with the European grid on the 28th while they were still in isolation mode makes a lot more sense to me now. I can see why Ukrenergo would not want to keep the Ukraine grid in isolation mode longer than necessary, and also why they would not want to re-connect to the Russian grid.
I’m kind of curious about the situation at Zaporizhia now. Supposedly (I have no way to verify) Rosatom told the plant employees on Aug. 4th that they were disconnecting from the Ukrainian grid in order to connect to the Russian one. No idea of how soon that was supposed to be. This prompted Ukraine to shell the plant on Aug. 5th and 7th, damaging switching equipment that forced Unit 4 to shut down. That attack also took out two of the three high voltage lines going north to the Ukraine grid. Zaporizhia NPP (or Ukrenergo?) is said to be repairing those lines now, which is a curious thing to do if they don’t plan on remaining connected to the Ukraine grid. It’s entirely possible that Ukraine fabricated the disconnection story to justify the Aug. 5th attack on the plant. On the other hand, I can see how Russia would be eager to get Crimea and the other southern oblasts on the Russian grid. As far as I know, Crimea was only supplied via power lines across the Crimean Bridge until last year. They have two new 500MW thermal power plants that should have been running since then. It’s unclear if Crimea remained synchronized to the Russian grid after the two new plants came on-line – I’m assuming they did.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 12 2022 2:19 utc | 147
No problem with the speed of the SMO. Still, allows US plenty time to register many provocations, which seem to be growing in lethality, correlated to/with their desperation. If Russia’s fine with this then so be it.
Let me tell ya’ll something for nothing, the US will not stop until Americans begin dying, possibly in numbers. They’ll gladly fight until the last European.
Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 12 2022 2:22 utc | 148
I’ve seen the partisan resistance idea few times, all over the net.
For a partisan resistance, the local population has to support you, hide you, and feed you. If any of the above is not true, you are just a regular outside paid terrorist.
In the east and south Ukraine, the population supports the Russians, because they are Russians, so the idea of partisan resistence, is out of the question.
Russia, in my understanding is not interested in the west Ukraine, unless they pose a threat to Russia
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 2:32 utc | 149
Russia has lackadaisical security near black sea first the Moskva now the airbase. Someone should be cashiered.
Posted by: Ken B | Aug 12 2022 2:40 utc | 150
For the people who get upset based on what if, why not someone do something about (insert your issue) about. Including why is the Russian military winning 🙂
My suggestion, for the blood pressure heath, is to take it as the rain.
Is it any point to get mad on the rain?
Doesn’t change a thing if you do or you don’t
Same with the big guns military
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 2:45 utc | 151
P.C.Roberts is an ignoramus… next…
Posted by: james | Aug 12 2022 2:03 utc | 144
Short and to the point 🙂
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2022 3:23 utc | 152
@PavewayIV | Aug 12 2022 2:19 utc | 146
“…That attack also took out two of the three high voltage lines going north to the Ukraine grid. Zaporizhia NPP (or Ukrenergo?) is said to be repairing those lines now, which is a curious thing to do if they don’t plan on remaining connected to the Ukraine grid. …”
Two possibilities – Russia intends to take more territory to the north and/or they expect to be supplying areas to the north at some point down the road regardless of how the SMO ends. I would be a little surprised if they didn’t try to take Zaporizhzhia city and the rest of the oblast at a minimum, but we will see.
Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 12 2022 3:42 utc | 153
Re – Partisans
What we are hearing about is NOT partisan warfare. It appears to be more akin to a handful of 2-3 person cells operating as petty sabotuers. I think the modern term for such fighters is DEADENDERS. It’s important to note that even when partisans operate in a sympathetic population – The 1/2 life of a partisan is measured in a few weeks.
The partisan strategy is simply another example of NATOland fighting to the last Ukrainian.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 12 2022 4:19 utc | 154
First time I comment here, or in other places, about Ukraine. But I have several questions
that are burning me from inside:
1) Why nobody comment about the dense black smoke that preceded the two explosions at Crimea air base for
no less than 5 minutes or more, going to the right of the screen? It has all the marks of fuel burning!
2) Why nobody is commenting about the possibility that Russia might want that ZNPP have serious damages,
including leaking radioactivity in a radius of 40 Km? It would make Ukraine conflict HIGHLY visible in
the entire world. Russians would have plausible deniability, and would show the true colors of Ukraine.
3) Why Russia isn’t using psychological warfare on Kiev and Lviv, by INUNDATING those cities with pics
and notes that show the real situation at the Eastern Front? Also, why they don’t use loud speakers
on some specific zones in the East, after a barrage of TOS, suggesting ukies to surrender? Also,
inundating those places with pics and notes about how Ze and ukies are enjoying summer in beaches while
they are condemned to a certain death?
4) What is WRONG with tactical mobile radars, that could trace the origin of fire 20/30 Km far away?
Why are not sending special forces to HUNT, like animals, those degenerates using Howitzers and Himars?
I have more, but this is OK for the first time.
Posted by: Ryck | Aug 12 2022 4:23 utc | 155
@ Exile
# A Partisan is supported by the local population, and fights against an unjust invader. (not applicable in the east and south Ukraine, where they are Russians, and they want to be with the Russian Federation)
# A saboteur / terrorist is a outside paid individual/group that wants to disturb an already lost cause
This is why we have different terms for similar actions.
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 4:28 utc | 156
@ SW (also Berlin) | Aug 11 2022 21:53 utc | 111
thanks.. and thanks to @ PavewayIV | Aug 12 2022 2:19 utc | 146
for a most intriguing, ongoing conversation…
@ Ryck | Aug 12 2022 4:23 utc | 154
good questions… welcome to moa… i don’t know the answers… but i think the world works in mysterious ways…
Posted by: james | Aug 12 2022 4:32 utc | 157
Did you notice there aren’t many photos or videos from strikes anymore, not even those blurred ones? The diversity hire in us/uk at work, censoring the censored photos
Posted by: rk | Aug 12 2022 4:36 utc | 158
Karlof + bar.
I draw your attention to the World Ukraine Conference.
Yes. It’s a theatrical production with the Klown of Kiev starring.
But. I think it has significance beyond the klieg lights.
Remember the Munich Security Conference? I followed it for three days on twitter (not obsessively), but I did note immediately the reference to restoration of nuclear capability for Ukraine. (look in MoA archives if you doubt)<\i>
“They” we’re all there. What was on center stage provided cover for what was being negotiated “on the sidelines”. Putin himself is alumni of MSC. He knows.
The SMO was underway before the following weekend.
Now we have this World Ukraine Conference. My hot tip is there is a lot more happening than “we” realise.
ICELAND: We don’t have a military, so we are happy we can contribute by de-mining (what/where).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boyfIsaZhzE
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 4:38 utc | 159
The question repeatedly raised is why the RF doesn’t just take out the UAF assets shelling the NPP? There are several answers. 1.) geography which renders the NPP vulnerable 2.) the difficulty in locating artillery UAF units 3.) the fact that damage already done will most likely lead to the NPP having to cool its reactor and going offline just-in-cae 4.) the propaganda advantage, which provides further justification of complete dissolution of Western Ukraine in its present form. 5.) Last but not least–the reactor–Europe’s largest — offline will cut a major supply of power to the EU, adding to their woes in the Winter. Winter is Russia’s biggest ally. Ask Hitler. Ask Napoleon.
Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Aug 12 2022 4:40 utc | 160
Ryck | Aug 12 2022 4:23 utc | 154
Valid questions.
An answer is that “Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma”.
(That’s enigma. Not enema as I spelt it one time.)
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 4:42 utc | 161
PavewayIV’s comment adds yet another reason.The Russian intend to take the oblast and move north anyway.With the reactor cooled and offline, a major catastrophe can be averted. The NPP can be repaired and provide power to the NovoRussiya when Zelensky’s regime is taken down.
Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Aug 12 2022 4:45 utc | 162
Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 4:38 utc | 158
The “demining” story started from the other story that Russia in mining Ukr. When actually Ukr is mining Ukr. US put a budget for it, I forgot, something like $100m.
They probably will do more mining everywhere so they can eplode at later time and fake partisans, which won’t exist. EU will give another “large scale” amount of money for weapons, Schlitz announced.
Posted by: rk | Aug 12 2022 4:53 utc | 163
Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 4:42 utc | 160
“Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma” Perhaps I’m wrong because I couldn’t be bothered looking it up, but Churchill I believe.
I guess Russia is that if one in wrapped in their own small world with no understanding of the wider world and many cultures. In short, no understanding of the multicultural world that has always been.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2022 4:56 utc | 164
William Flannery | Aug 12 2022 1:56 utc | 143
“…Why does the Kremlin think that Washington [or London or Brussels, or the EU] or the UN cares?”
The “target market” for the Kremlin is the other 180+++(countries that aren’t US satrapies) who are watching.
India China Indonesia South America Africa…. Hundreds – hundreds- of countries are watching.
Doing things legally, with a moral and ethical argument – every single country knows first hand the delight of a U$A boot on their neck. The threats, the lies, the arrogance of might-is-right, the “we the USA, everyone do what we say”.
That Russia and China want to offer an alternative… needs to be demonstrated. Respect shown to the UN is by default, respect shown to every member country.. and the smaller, insignificant, shithole countries understand this.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 5:00 utc | 165
@ Ryck
While you posted some slanted half truths, your issue as the most of the ‘Westerns’issues is that they don’t understand how the Russian and East European mind works.
The Ukraine region was in some sort of war for the last 1000+ years. People got used to that. 20-50 years with no killing is a bonus. There is always a crappy balance, nobody is happy but the life goes on.
When US wanted to steal the Ukrainian riches and part Russia, the most powerful military in the world, the Russian military woke up.
Now, the issue is it will take years maybe decades, and many conquered countries until the bear will stop his rampage
It will get worse. You will get war and poverty on your door step, because the world is NOW very small tor the modern weapons.
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 5:02 utc | 167
Thanks for the replies. It’s interesting to see “Kiev’s” convulsions after each revenue stream reduction, particularly those they cut themselves.
Roger @142–
I highly suggest John Brewer’s Sinews of Power. The Orange connection is paramount.
Ukraine resistance/partisan. US advertised its intentions. Rus wont play the US game which is why I doubt they have intentions beyond clearing Donetsk and holding what it now holds. To go any further, I doubt that will occur (unless of course US/UK supplies long rang systems to target Russia) until the defeat of the Anglo hegemonic empire.
There is no time limit on attaining Russia’s stated goals in Ukraine. There is no time limit on what Lavrov described as accepting the challenge.
I live in the southern hemisphere, but the Russian winter is coming to the north. Europe/UK.
Watch Deutsche bank. When that goes, US goes, then the Russian winter moves to this anglo outpost in the south.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2022 5:12 utc | 169
RT article “Only One in Three US Voters Can Locate Taiwan or ‘UKRAINE'”.
There exists a number of videos showing the very same effect.
Lest we forget. The late FDR. Was forced to print tens of millions of new maps in 1942. So that dumb white asses of America could follow the “War In The Pacific”. Sadly, not much has changed since then!
Clearly, in the USSA. The average dumb/dumber USSA Citizen. Is totally oblivious to real life in the world. Outside their current fifty-mile radius limited comfort residential zone.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 12 2022 5:13 utc | 170
Denazification is an open concept, and can take decades to implement it ALL over the world. (that’s for people who refused the simple way out, Minsk 1 OR 2)
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 5:18 utc | 171
Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2022 4:56 utc | 163
Extending your “no understanding” comment.
That’s one (of many many many elements) that’s frustrating the hell outta the US/Pentagon at the moment (my conjecture).
Russia is not fighting this SMO in any way similar to how the Might USA would fight. Therefore they can’t understand what Russia is doing or why, they can’t anticipate what Russia will do next, and the Pentagon + UK MoD haven’t (until now?) been able to counter, block, reverse Russia’s gain.
Early early SMO days lurking threads (not here) vainglorious US ex military were crowing about “shaping the battlefield”.
Not realising Russia had indeed already shaped the battlefield in the first 48-64hours (as your secure-the-biolabs analysis has shown).
Ukraine and the Pentagon have never been able to retake the initiative.
Of course Russia did, and continues to take hits.. it’s war.
All sites, Duran, New Atlas, Ritter, Lira-by-name-and-nature…. All spend hours cogitating…. What will Russia do next? Stop at the Dnieper?
What about Odessa? What’s the plan for western Ukraine?
No one knows. Only Russia military command.
And they don’t seem to feel obliged to telegraph their plans.
That damn riddling enigma’s got them all confounded.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 5:19 utc | 172
@ Bad Deal Motors On
That’s not too bad, 1/3 US voters can’t identify the US on the map, either.
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 5:24 utc | 173
Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 5:19 utc | 171 “That damn riddling enigma’s got them all confounded.”
About sums up western ignorance. The two sides – New money vs a highly educated culture that very much understands Sun Tzu and Clausewitz. The Brits have a similar age culture as the Russians, but they have dumped that and perform like new money glitter and glam.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2022 5:50 utc | 174
@rp
This winter EU will witness to be cold, hungry and afraid
Hopefully after that they will wake up from the Davos hypnosis
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 6:06 utc | 176
Seeing all the pro Ukrainian postings makes me sure that B is right over the target as the flak is really starting.
Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 12 2022 6:14 utc | 177
The real issue is that the collective waste has NOW a zombies-like population, immune to any ideas changes, because their brains are either missing or are a disaster mush.
I don’t have a solution, maybe you do?
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 6:28 utc | 178
@ Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 5:24
That’s not too bad, 1/3 US voters can’t identify the map, either.
Posted by: tRI | Aug 12 2022 6:38 utc | 179
rp 174
lets bet on an extra big snow blizzard season. there will be no mild winter to savee the politicians or the people.
Posted by: hankster | Aug 12 2022 6:45 utc | 180
Have anyone noticed that we have another German ala-Hitler these days, also in trousers, in the name of VD Leyen? Sort of a subtle Hitler?
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 6:54 utc | 181
The CIA and MI6 desks situated in Kiev, with the moral acquiescence of the UN Secretary General António Guterres, are plotting a devastating attack on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in September, which will result in a disastrous release of lethal radioactive particles on the territory of the Ukraine and several adjacent countries. Many will die; a greater many will be severely injured and made susceptible to cancers. This will be blamed on the Russian federation and may precipitate increased involvement of NATO countries in the conflict.
How do I predict this? Monitoring TASS, there is a steady and increasingly voluminous flow of articles being published that carry warnings from the Russian Federation of such a potential disaster. This is a protective measure, meant to publicize and thereby prevent this false-flag event from occurring.
We already know that the United States and United Kingdom bear ultimate culpability for the deaths of hundreds of thousands and injuries of millions in this conflict. Par for the course when these countries are controlled a clique of maniacal Talmudic Pharisees with an axe to grind in the Ukraine. What is obscene, though, is the passive involvement of the United Nations General Secretariat under António Guterres. Mr. Guterres must be held criminally responsible if anything should happen to the Zaporozhye NPP under his watch. Then the United Nations must be significantly rebuilt, in obeisance to the UN Charter, to remove the outsized and malign influence of actors who have corrupted the organization.
Posted by: Jamal | Aug 12 2022 6:58 utc | 182
What do you make it, b, it looks pretty serious, and apologies for the short translation of what the guy (Sanya in Florida) says , it’s for those that don’t speak Russian:
Below u can see satellite pictures of the Crimean airport in Novofedorovka four hours before the explosions and then after when the recuse efforts are in full swing, according to the guy reporting on it there were altogether 16 fighter jets parked, nine 130s and seven Su-24s, after the explosion seven of the sixteen machines are totally burnt fully, the others look inoperable as well.
At 7:50 the guy marks the places of the three explosion in red squares, he then circles the explosion also in yellow, then goes on commenting on the damage, at 9:28 he shows the rescue vehicles removing the debris in yellow, at 9:50 he concludes that at best the loss is three 130s and four SU-24s (all seven marked in yellow), at worst all sixteen machines are destroyed.
At 10:45 he challenges those arguing the disaster was the result of a sabotage, marks a place in a red square, says a huge hole close to the roll-out to a runway, asks what could have been stored there, it would need a truck loaded to the full to produce such damage, at 11:19 he shows a picture of an object before the explosion, says he doesn’t know what it was, it’s overgrown with grass, the explosion happened at the edge of it on an asphalt surface, how could a sabotage take place on such a place, he asks, then he moves to another place of the explosion (11:50, red square) shows at 12:08 how the place looked before the explosion.
At 12:23 he marks again the three explosions in yellow and says he cannot rule out a missile attack, it could be ether a sabotage or a missile attack, he finishes saying that’s all the info he has, it may not be something many want to hear, but truth is more important than anything else to correct one’s mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGqP-BjlkA
Posted by: Baron | Aug 12 2022 7:22 utc | 183
Zaporozhye NPP attack proves Ukraine shot down MH17
Posted by: Jamal | Aug 12 2022 6:58 utc | 181
The CIA and MI6 desks situated in Kiev, with the moral acquiescence of the UN Secretary General António Guterres, are plotting a devastating attack on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in September, which will result in a disastrous release of lethal radioactive particles on the territory of the Ukraine and several adjacent countries. Many will die; a greater many will be severely injured and made susceptible to cancers. This will be blamed on the Russian federation and may precipitate increased involvement of NATO countries in the conflict.
Does anyone still seriously believe, that Ukraine did not intentionally shot down MH17?
The involvement of EU leadership and the European press in covering up this latest crime against humanity is proof enough of their culpability.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 12 2022 7:25 utc | 184
Poison Frogs | Aug 12 2022 5:02 utc | 166
I don’t pretend, even remotely, to understand Russian or Ukranian average mindset.
I’m just an amateur with very little knowledge of the historic timeline in that vast, complex Eastern Europe.
In my post, I wrote about what is really bothering me now, because I’m disenchanted with the most popular
bloggers that root for Russia (I do).
About the black smoke at the Crimea airfields, that existed at least for 4/5 minutes before the twin explosions,
I see that nobody pick it up.
Regarding ZNPP, I think that what’s happening OR could happen there is a GOOD strategy to deter any offensive
over Kershon by Ukraine. A radioactive perimeter of 50 Km radius is very dissuasive.
I can see that both sides are playing a dangerous game there. US is dying for establishing a safe zone with
UN (US, UK) “peacekeepers” just at the heart of the southern SVO. I don’t think this is going to happen.
But the collective west is starting to act like paranoids on this particular matter. Interesting.
Posted by: Ryck | Aug 12 2022 7:25 utc | 185
a safe zone with UN (US, UK) “peacekeepers”
Ryck | Aug 12 2022 7:25 utc | 184
There isn’t going to be any pisskeepers anywhere. Anyone who enters will be targeted. It was made clear from first days and even Putin talked about it, nato or non-nato.
In Crimea it looks like sabotage, either “manual” or some close range small drones. That airfield wasn’t protected, someone has to go court-martial, it’s idiotic. From sat photos it looks like a forgotten not maintained airfield they started using without proper security. The ammo seems to be stored improperly, very close to the airplanes. It looks like it was a combination of army idiots and sabotage.
No way Russia would like a radioactive npp. And there are 3 more npps. This is how nato tries to blackmail Russia but the other 3 are much closer to Pooland, glowy Duda danger.
Posted by: rk | Aug 12 2022 8:06 utc | 186
Posted by: Baron | Aug 12 2022 7:22 utc | 182
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When a Russian, or someone calling himself Russian, living in the Empire of Lies, one tends to not to trust him.
I have met many Russians, who had been to the Empire of Lies, lived there, even had the green card, but after few years left it to come back to Russia. These Russians are not from a big city, Moscow or St. Petersburg, but far away from them. When asked why they left the US permanently, they all said that they found the life in the US as artificial, people there act artificial, and that they didn’t find life there. Back home, suddenly they felt normal. I’ve known at least 20 people, men and women, even children. I’ve also know Russian Jews, who had left Israel and come back home, even from Moscow.
So, a Russian living in the USA by own will, in a country that runs a war against his/her motherland, cannot be trusted, period! This Sanya knows that his “tax money” is used to kill Russians.
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 8:31 utc | 187
One of the most famous Soviet dissidents, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn expelled from the Soviet Union went to live in the USA, became a US citizen, but finally left the Empire of Lies to come back home to Russia. It is interesting that the same Soviet Union, which stripped him of citizenship restored it in 1990. Even his eldest son Yermolai came back home.
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 8:42 utc | 188
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is worth reading fully and deeply. Starting with Vol. 1 of the Gulag. Read it at least 3 times, before moving on to Vol.2. Vol 1. deals with the gradual slide into full on lawless Tyranny. Lessons for today.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 12 2022 9:57 utc | 189
Posted by: BurnEye Minds3rdEye | Aug 11 2022 20:21 utc | 88
You´re sounding like a hyper-emotional Westerner that so loves to sit in his chair and make sweeping moves with other’s lives and that so gets their panties in a twist for every little setback, maybe you didn´t understand how war works? The other side(the whole of the AngloZio-controlled slave-states) gets their say as well.
Posted by: Dane | Aug 12 2022 10:07 utc | 190
Posted by: Exile | Aug 12 2022 9:57 utc | 188
Solzhenitsin was a full-on fascist
Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 12 2022 10:09 utc | 191
Check telegram and tiktok. There is footage from a fake video being filmed in Gostomel. A whole film crew is there.
Posted by: rk | Aug 12 2022 10:37 utc | 192
Ukrainian nuclear plant facing ‘grave hour,’ UN watchdog says
By Richard Roth and Jonny Hallam, CNN
Updated 2:07 AM ET, Fri August 12, 2022
Russia’s UN Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia on Thursday blamed Ukraine for the shelling and urged Kyiv’s supporters to stop attacks and prevent a disastrous radiation leak.
But Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky pointed the finger at Moscow, which he said was putting all of Europe in danger.
“Only the complete withdrawal of Russians from the territory of the Zaporizhzhia NPP and the restoration of Ukraine’s full control over the situation around the plant will guarantee the restoration of nuclear safety for all of Europe,” Zelensky said.
Ukraine’s nuclear agency Energoatom said 10 shells landed near the complex on Thursday, preventing a shift handover.
“For the safety of nuclear workers, the buses with the personnel of the next shift were turned back to Enerhodar,” the agency said. “Until the situation finally normalizes, the workers of the previous shift will continue to work.”
Energoatom said radiation levels at the site remained normal, despite renewed attacks.
Several Western and Ukrainian officials believe that Russia is using the giant nuclear facility as a stronghold to shield their troops and mount attacks, because they assume Kyiv will not return fire and risk a crisis.
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In short, the absurd position that Russia endangers nuclear safety because of shelling of unspecified origin directed at the nuclear power plant (because it cannot be spelled out plainly that Ukrainians do it) is official unanimous Western position.
Mental health in the West is safe, as explained in one blog year ago: “Luckily, we are impervious to logic.” If this is our narrative, no implications contradicting this narrative can be performed. I feel less fortunate, perhaps on few classes on logic in my ill-spent youth.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 12 2022 11:16 utc | 193
Piotr Berman | Aug 12 2022 11:16 utc | 193
Really appreciate the humor in your closing remark.
As to Nebenzia going through the motions in this pointless UNSC meeting, I want to say: public diplomacy of the noteworthy kind might consist in installing cameras on the area of Zaporizhzhia NPP and setting up a live-stream on the internet, for the general public. Together with information on the nearest Russian heavy weapons and a daily statement on what shells landed at the NPP and what trajectory these had.
Special Military Operation indeed. ‘Special’ as in “due to our own cowardice and inaptitude we now have a nuclear catastrophe on our hands, too”.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 12 2022 11:47 utc | 194
Ryck@155
1. Too early atm, speculation, let’s wait for the autopsy.
2.They don’t. Yikes. Insane line of thought. It’s a nuclear power plant.
3.They are. The average Ukie knows they have the same pieces of evil shit ruling over them as the rest of us.
4.They have. Spec Opps hunting teams are in country, it’s a big big country. Some things take time.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 12 2022 11:50 utc | 195
Newsweek
Alleged Russian Nuclear Plant Threat Likely False, Says U.S. Thinktank
BY NICK MORDOWANEC ON 8/9/22 AT 7:11 PM EDT
A Ukrainian report that a Russian general had threatened to blow up a nuclear power plant is likely to be false, according to the U.S.-based Institute for the Study of War.
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Some folks in the West are not as impervious to logic as I expected. A disturbance in the Force.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 12 2022 12:11 utc | 196
Posted by: Exile | Aug 12 2022 9:57 utc | 189
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When you read samizdat of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn work in 1975, you’d feel its just fiction, when you see/feel the Soviet Union around you. You don’t feel like reading some such books again. But, of course, we loved the ballads of Bulat Okudzhava, Vladimir Vysotsky.
One of the reason why Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn couldn’t stay in the fictional/artificial US of A. He found out that it was a terrible place to be. Well, it is still that way today.
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 12:14 utc | 197
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 8:31 utc | 187
Get real, rp, how could you doubt the images, they are bought from a commercial satellite operator, no dog in the fight, they show the airport clearly before and after the blasts, as the guy says one has to face the facts, no point lying that’s the prerogative of the West ‘lies, half-truths and deceptions’, not those that still remember what the West was like when Harry and Ike were in the White House.
The question is was it an act of sabotage or was it a missile strike, can anyone with any experience speculate, please.
Posted by: Baron | Aug 12 2022 12:38 utc | 198
Baron @198
Could you tell me what “dog” Google has in the fight? Twitter? CNN? World Athletics? Tell me about their “dogs” and why they falsify information about Russia.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 12 2022 13:00 utc | 199
how could you doubt the images, they are bought from a commercial satellite operator,…
Posted by: Baron | Aug 12 2022 12:38 utc | 198
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a commercial satellite operator…?
Based in…?
In one of the unfriendly countries…well, weel?
Posted by: rp | Aug 12 2022 13:13 utc | 200