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August 09, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-125

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Yesterday Russia destroyed a Ukrainian airforce command center:

High-precision long-range air-based missiles have destroyed an active buried command post of AFU Air Force near Voronivtsa, Vinnitsy Region.

Today several explosions took place at the Saki military airport on Crimea. Ukraine claims it attacked the site. There were however no incoming missiles seen or heard.

Russia considers Crimea as its territory. It had threatened to attack 'decision centers' should such attacks on its territory occur.
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The current open thread for other issues is here.

Posted by b on August 9, 2022 at 14:01 UTC | Permalink

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There is a video clip released on August 8 by TV5Monde (France's equivalent of RFE/RL) showing the disillusion of US "volunteers" in Ukraine's International Legion:

Link to original video
Link to video with English subtitles

The comments posted in regard to the video seem to have missed some essential points:
- This was produced by a broadcaster controlled by the French government,
- The clip clearly shows the US "volunteers" using schools as barracks and using ambulances as military transportation,
- The removal of belongings from the bodies of dead US "volunteers" by the Ukrainian military is probably not to loot their bodies but to hide their identity,
- The clip shows dead US "volunteers" being buried under Ukrainian flags and probably a Ukrainian identity.

Posted by: M Le Docteur Ralph | Aug 10 2022 6:19 utc | 101

Corruption became so rampant that, in Putin’s first years as president, the amount of money spent on bribes exceeded the amount of revenue paid to the Russian government."
Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 10 2022 3:02 utc | 86

wonder what a study like that would show if the people who led or lead the western governments were similarly studied? So much has been moved from government domain to private domain; that government domain corruption is small compared to private domain corruption?
In spite of its value this kind of discussion might be best held in the non Ukraine open thread?

Posted by: snake | Aug 10 2022 6:29 utc | 102

Russia is what US advisers made it under Yeltsin .

Putin and Siloviki had to restore the State looted by Western carpetbaggers acting for US corporations.

Sees for Corruption surely Covid and PPE and Big Pharma have revealed how corrupt the system is ? Windfall tax on Pfizer ???? Release documents ? Apply for proper Certification ?

Fauci ? Birx ? Ralph Baric ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 6:39 utc | 103

Peter AU1 #95

Thank you for the link to the thorium experimental reactor under construction in China. That was the exact report in mind when I posted. I recall Australia required by licence all thorium from the mineral sand mining industry to be given to the custody of the CSIRO and forms part of a national stockpile (unless the UKUSA mafia have not made off with it).

This process of nuclear power generation has been the neglected orphan of the fusion cycle and is pretty useless for producing weapons grade by-products in its waste stream. It is also unusually safer that the traditional nuclear power generation technology afaik.

Still the problem with shoddy design and cost cutting can lead to many disasters in even simple mining processes, see https://www.wise-uranium.org/mdaf.html

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 6:47 utc | 104

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 10 2022 0:33 utc | 71

There are 88 Curies per gram of cesium-137. In other words, less than one-half of one gram of cesium-137, made into an aerosol and evenly spread over one square kilometre, will make that square kilometre into an uninhabitable exclusion zone. That would be 1.2 grams per square mile; a US dime weighs 2.7 grams.

The Bayraktar TB2 payload is 150 kg (330 lb) = 150,000 grams.
150,000 grams x 2 = 300,000 aerosol units (less than one-half of one gram of cesium-137 makes one square kilometre uninhabitable)
300,000 aerosol units dispersed renders 300,000 km2 uninhabitable.
Immediately prior to the launch of the SMO it was reported Ukraine was taking delivery of 12 Bayraktar TB2s modified with an aerosol spray mechanism.
12 Bayraktar TB2s x 300,000 km2 per drone = 3,600,000 km2 made uninhabitable. Total land area of Ukraine = 603,548 km2
Land area of the DPR = 14,584 to 26,517 km2

How many "cockroaches" do you think Vogue celebrity Z planned to kill?

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 10 2022 6:48 utc | 105

Correction to My Post Aug 10 2022 6:48 utc | 105
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 1:10 utc | 75
Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 10 2022 1:53 utc | 80

How large a thriving wildlife zone do you think Vogue celebrity Z planned to create while killing off the "cockroaches" and the "colorados?"

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 10 2022 6:58 utc | 106

Rosatom has apparently taken full control of Zaporizhia NPP. Energoatom is reporting that Zaporizhia will cut the interconnect to the Ukraine/European grid and instead resync and connect to the Russian grid that now feeds Crimea and the Donbas. I assume that means all Russian-controlled areas will now be fed from/connected to the Zaporizhia/Russian grid. Furthermore, the rest of Ukraine still on the Ukraine/European grid can no longer be fed from Zaporizhia or connected to it or any grid it feeds. Ukraine cut its system from the Russian grid and switched to the European grid right after the Russians made their move in March.

Unfortunately, this gives Ukraine 'nothing to lose' by attacking power distribution infrastructure in and around the nuclear plant or elsewhere in Russian-held territory. Not only is the loss of power from Zaporizhia NPP substantial, but that capacity loss is doubled again with the loss of Zaporizhia Thermal Electric Plant + Uglegorsk(Vuhlehirsk) TEP. Neither thermal plant is operating today.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 107

Sushi | Aug 10 2022 6:58 utc | 106

Salt of the earth and salting the earth are polar opposites. I had only thought of the Bayraktar spray units spreading bio, but on the anglo side this is a no holds barred fight and nothing is beyond the pale.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 7:12 utc | 108

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 107

Much of the 404 transport infrastructure depends on a system of electrified rail lines.

Good thing there is an adequate supply of diesel available from the EU to assist 404 in making the transition.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 10 2022 7:13 utc | 109

PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 107

the rest of Ukraine still on the Ukraine/European grid.... Not only is the loss of power from Zaporizhia NPP substantial, but that capacity loss is doubled again with the loss of Zaporizhia Thermal Electric Plant + Uglegorsk(Vuhlehirsk) TEP. Neither thermal plant is operating today.

Zaporizhia NPP. The largest NPP in Europe. Euro's self inflicted energy woes are stacking up. Its not just straws on the camels back. The Euro twits are dumping pallets of bricks on their own hump.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 7:20 utc | 110

re snake | Aug 10 2022 6:29 utc | 102 who for some reason known only to himself spouted
"In spite of its value this kind of discussion might be best held in the non Ukraine open thread?
Enlighten me WTF would a post about the ethics of russia's conflict in the Ukraine be doing in the non-Ukrainian thread.
It as if some believe any negatives about russia should never be repeated to those lasciviously creaming over more dead humans killed in the name of the rich becoming richer.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 10 2022 7:40 utc | 111

uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 6:47 utc | 104 "Still the problem with shoddy design and cost cutting can lead to many disasters in even simple mining processes,"

The major initiator of many of these industrial and mining incidents in the west is privatization corporate profit mentality. I live not far from the Yallourn open cut and power station now. Mate had a contract, still has, to slash grass there each summer. I did a bit of tractor driving for him when I couldn't do much else. They have had some major disasters since privatization. A major slip that run the Latrobe river into the mine because they didn't drill horizontal drainage bores and building a channel through the center of the mine for the Morwell river which they could no longer divert around the mine. Two blow outs in that to date and repairs cost far more than the initial cheapskate tender that they picked.

Some footage of the first Morwell river blowout here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nO5s_xTp3M
Second time it developed cracks. I believe that time they opened up the overpass into the mine to dump water and lower water levels before it blew out completely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juxVGLWotyM The joys of privatization.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 7:52 utc | 112

"Corruption became so rampant that, in Putin’s first years as president, the amount of money spent on bribes exceeded the amount of revenue paid to the Russian government."

snake | Aug 10 2022 6:29 utc | 102

After the fall of USSR all the old Soviet Republics became massively corrupt as insiders sold off national resources.

Shows you Putin really had his work cut out for him and did an amazing job bringing Russia back to where it is today.

Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 10 2022 8:01 utc | 113

Re: corruption

In the US; corruption is staggering likely in the trillions, what‘s considered in most places as corruption is in the US it’s legal and fully disclosed.

For example;
Clinton Foundation
US Central Bank Governors day trading
Retired Generals multi-million consulting deals with MIC
Redevelopment Zones in Cities
Admission to Elite Universities
Big Pharma
Solyndra
Epstein
Etc etc

Corruption in the US is of a scale and depth that is mind boggling.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 10 2022 8:04 utc | 114

snake | Aug 10 2022 6:29 utc | 102

Two names - Hunter Biden and old man Biden. Gives the state of the so called west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 8:06 utc | 115

Posted by: Exile | Aug 10 2022 8:04 utc | 114

No mentioning of the military corporations or the military itself?

Posted by: Goingo | Aug 10 2022 8:18 utc | 116

Today, Zelenski shouts about reclaiming Crimea as a result of yesterdays pin prick.

What about Kherson? He was making the claim he would seize that by September. Or is that forgotten now? Dude is so far all over the place its laughable.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 10 2022 8:26 utc | 117

A # 3
Looks like an accident here in Novofedorovka. Mostly fuel with maybe a little ammo but I see no shrapnel nor saw any missiles flying around. The concussions{ 10+ } were massive so windows gone and doors broke - I had one of each that needs to be repaired. The Base and village are one so everyone is connected. This was the same during Ukrainian times also.

Maybe since it was a hot hot day the fuel was re- igniting within the hot column of smoke and air which drifted over to my flat and shook me back to Nam days - lol. I thought we were getting incoming at first but noticed the blasts - that were about 50 meters away had no schrap and the buildings weren't getting destroyed , as incoming would have done. Greetings from Novofedorovka.

Posted by: GMC | Aug 10 2022 8:31 utc | 118

Debsisdead | Aug 10 2022 7:40 utc | 111

You put up very informative posts on rare occasions but your ideology is very much about destruction of culture. Many Ukrainians have followed the US/UK pied piper. It is a cult that believes subhuman ethnic Russian Ukrainians are subhumans. Mumma bear wont chase the cult believers across Ukraine, but will destroy any who come to the frontlines to kill Russians. Those Ukrainians must be dumbfvcks. At the start of the second phase Ukraine units were suffering around 60% losses over about three weeks. After Shoigu ordered the stepping up of operations due to shelling of civilian areas in Donbas, that has stepped up to 60% losses in three days or so. One day the survivors of the US/UK pied piper will get the message.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Those clowns die because they think it is their right to kill Russians - big deal. If Ukraine wasn't so corrupt, a well paying job would be as an undertaker there, especially if paid per unit of work.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 8:32 utc | 119

Debsisdead

Ideology is a closed box totalitarian system. It is far removed from socialism which I believe is a grass roots of human society going back to past when we were rubbing sticks together to make fire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 8:43 utc | 120

Exile | Aug 10 2022 8:04 utc | 114

Anywhere in the west, A politician steps out of politics and into a high paid 'consultant' position. Downer - the now Aussie ambassador to our revered monarch, Sunrise/East Timor, Woodside is a prime example. Aussie aid to East Timor replete with bugs. China bulldozing Aussie 'aid' to Cambodia. Anglosphere frothing at the mouth at this destruction of 'aid'.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 8:53 utc | 121

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 107

Energoatom is a Ukrainian state organisation. So of course they're telling the truth. "Energoatom is reporting that Zaporizhia will cut the interconnect to the Ukraine/European grid." A prediction that Russia will damage the Ukrainian infrastructure it has worked hard to protect. The power output from these plants after Ukrainian damage is already substantially reduced. It seems sensible to ensure Donbass gets priority for what's left, instead of non-paying customers who throw metaphorical bricks through the window. If Russia is taking operational control - something it has not done since February - then it may be prudent to shut down all reactors safely instead of waiting for Ukrainian forces to create a nuclear disaster. The notion that Russian (predicted) behaviour is provocative in this context lacks plausibility.

Posted by: TPaine | Aug 10 2022 9:10 utc | 122

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2022 21:19 utc | 62

Look, the issue with these "decision making centers" or what some people think they are, is that they aren't really important to begin with. The eastern half of Ukraine (parts not under control of Russia) is in complete anarchy of rogue nazis chasing civilians and forcing them to draft. The clown show in Kiev have really no influence, they just play a show for the audience in EU/USA.

The actually relevant decision making centers commanding units are actually targeted and many times hit.


My take is that the threat to target decision making centres was an attempt to deter the decision makers themselves from pursuing their belligerence. And if you suspect the decision makers reside in the US or the UK, then there is no deterrence at this time. As it stands, even coordinators in Poland or in the Baltics are safe.

This brings the question of how the current developments in Ukraine are affecting those decision makers and puts the clobber reports and medal count in perspective. My impression is that the decision makers are not mourning the Ukrainian deaths nor are they affected by the current destruction. Or should I say, not affected in a negative way.

This also gives another dimension to the reports about fighting in proximity of the nuclear plant in Zaporizhia.

Posted by: robin | Aug 10 2022 9:24 utc | 123

Thanks to Steven Starr for excellent informative posts
and GMC | Aug 10 2022 8:31 utc | 118 for Near site reporting.

Thanks very much. It is getting harder and harder to find sources, so please keep up the good work.
(RE, Sources about Ukraine; Many Twitterers have very recently "been disappeared", including even pro-US ones at the same time as anti. MsM is junk and the level of intellectual and knowledgeable "otherThink" comments permitted has progressively fallen.)
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As Zaporihza radioactive leaks would be one way to cover up the use of DU ammunition and even small "tactical" nuclear artillery shells, I feel I can add this speculation as another possibility. (DU Depleted Uranium, used at Fallujah, Iraq, and still causing cancers)

The US is taking a much more active part and is using undisclosed weapons, such as The anti-radar missile that can only be fired by US equiped planes, (found by Russia and post-anounced by the US as part of a weapons package, thus indirectly confirming US participation). Plus, probable "feet on the ground" to use the HIMARS etc, and certainly in places like Odessa and command structures as well as US Mercenaries or special ops.

The observation (and not by Joe Tzu) is that Wars that are not contained will expand. The US unidirectional regime changes are a thing of the past when the opposing side(s) can fight back, but now the neighbours will inevitably become involved in what, at first, was a family fight.
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PS
Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 7:52 utc | 112
Somehow, I had not linked coal with water and mud. Brings a whole new meaning to "throw another bucket on the fire".

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 10 2022 9:27 utc | 124

Stonebird | Aug 10 2022 9:27 utc | 125

Privatization is a wonderment in its destructive qualities. We must look on in awe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 9:36 utc | 125

Zelensky’s narcotics-distorted face on my TV screen, I change stations. Sure, he speaks Ukrainian, but is he an Ukrainian? I can even stand Lusia Arestowicz or Ihor Terekhov, they are at least Ukrainian Slavs, but Zelensky will always be a Jew, with Aliyah always open for him.

Posted by: rp | Aug 10 2022 9:43 utc | 126

b, I drifted off topic a few times. Ukraine is now the center of anglosphere colonialism and no holds barred warfare. Let the comments run where they lead to.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 9:46 utc | 127

Nato, USAF, US Navy, etc spying along the Ukraine border, but quite a distance away from it, without crossing the Ukraine airspace.
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d005461
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d00724e
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d0078a9
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d0046dd

Posted by: rp | Aug 10 2022 10:00 utc | 128

Do any of you folks have a link to a Russian map of war in Ukraine. Google only kindly provides the Ukrainian view of frontlines.

Posted by: RiNS | Aug 10 2022 10:07 utc | 129

snake | Aug 10 2022 6:29 utc | 103


wonder what a study like that would show if the people who led or lead the western governments were similarly studied

Well, I guess you'll just have to keep wondering...

Remember Rumsfeld's missing 2.3 trillion from the Pentagon in 2001? Remember the 21 trillion missing from the same institution way back in 2019? Remember the DOD failing their first ever audit after these revelations came to light? Remember the news of these massive discoveries fading quickly into oblivion?

I know the conditioning is ever pervasive, you know, the exceptional nation and all that, but try to keep in mind that corruption in the good ole USA, notwithstanding all the disparaging of all those 'shithole' countries, is unparalleled on this planet.

Posted by: john | Aug 10 2022 10:11 utc | 130

Did we just witness the desperate Steiner moment in the Crimean airfield destruction with massive Russian aircraft losses? Following on from the high accuracy hit on the mercenaries with secrets?
Both look like extreme highly skilled attacks by Western/Israeli systems and operators.

Looks like if it was designed to create a knee jerk massive retaliation by the Allies. It hasn’t so far on the Ukrainian Nazis yet today. But if the reported high security systems going down in the MIC on US soil are correct. The escalation could be the same old dumb, chickens coming home to roost , wily coyote fail, so beloved by the idiots of the State department.

Hybrid warfare with next generation weapons are being lured out. I can’t imagine that these F35’s will have continued success when drones and AI IT systems are brought into play - the over reliance on IT control to keep pesky humans who may turn whistleblowers over war crimes out - means that the ghost in the machine can be encouraged to self destruct.

‘Let there be light’

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 10 2022 10:16 utc | 131

RiNS | Aug 10 2022 10:07 utc | 130

Very little difference from Ukraine to Pro Russia maps. Uk maps a waste of time.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=50.13183754439379%2C31.20342807644495&z=9

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.697545604403054%2C37.84106812184267&z=9

They are both good, only slightly different to pro Ukraine https://liveuamap.com/

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 10:19 utc | 132

rp | Aug 10 2022 10:00 utc | 129

Notice they are circling over the same space, "Lacul razim" (lake), and were not visible earlier at about 9am. (my time, 2 hours different than utc.)

As well as US, one is UK (others in the past have been Italian or french as well)
Probably waiting for the two grain ships coming IN to replace those that have left. A quick stopover to pick up weapons AFTER the checks in Turkey?
Or supplied by smaller craft from lake area.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 10 2022 10:20 utc | 133

Just to show the Ukrainians are also flooding coal mines. They may also be poisoning wells, but that is unproven.

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1557218642584129536
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In Nikolaev the Ukies are claiming they have arrested 400 people, who were "sending" messages to Russia. (Probably nothing more than sending messages to family and friends, in my opinion). But the Ukies will make a big deal out of it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 10 2022 10:49 utc | 134

DunGroanin | Aug 10 2022 10:16 utc | 132

All those whistle blowers jailed over the last decade or more. Rus will have no problems gaining intel assets. Positions have gone full cycle.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 10:59 utc | 135

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (10.08.2022)

High-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed the ammunition depot of the 54th mechanized Brigade in the settlement of Krasnogorovka, Donetsk People's Republic. The losses of the Ukrainian side amounted to up to 30 servicemen, more than six thousand artillery shells and mortar mines of various calibers, as well as seven units of automotive equipment.

As a result of the strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the temporary deployment points of units of the 93rd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Andreevka, Kharkiv region, up to a hundred nationalists and more than 20 units of military equipment were eliminated.

In the area of the village of Peski of the Donetsk People's Republic, as a result of the strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the 56th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost its combat capability. In the units of the compound, up to 70 percent of the personnel were destroyed. Most of the Ukrainian citizens mobilized to make up for the losses of the brigade refused to advance to the line of contact and deserted.

During the day, five control points were hit, including the 46th airmobile brigade near the settlement of Andreevka, Kherson region, the National Guard regiment "Khortytsia" in Kushugum, Zaporozhye region, the nationalist formation "Aidar" in Novoselovka, Donetsk People's Republic, and the 56th motorized infantry Brigade in the city of Nikolaev. Seven ammunition depots and rocket and artillery weapons were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Nikolaevka, Fedorovka, Vyemka of the Donetsk People's Republic and Kushugum of the Zaporozhye region.

In the area of the settlement of Novopavlivka, Mykolaiv region, a combat vehicle of the anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex "Cheetah" delivered to the Kiev regime by Germany was destroyed. In addition, a launcher of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the Kramatorsk area of the Donetsk People's Republic.

As part of the counter-battery struggle, two Ukrainian platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems, as well as two artillery platoons of D-20 guns and two platoons of D-30 howitzers were suppressed at firing positions in the areas of the settlements of Kirovo, Seversk and Verkhnekamensk of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces in air battles over the territory of the Mykolaiv region shot down three aircraft of the air forces of Ukraine: one Su-25 near the settlement of Novohristoforovka, one MiG-29 over Troitsko-Safonovo and one Su-27 near the settlement of Novoselye.

Russian air defense means destroyed nine Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles during the day in the districts of Chervoniy Yar, Andreevka, Pervomaiske, Vernopolye, Novoye, Kharkiv region, Ivanovka, Peski, Valeryanovka, Donetsk People's Republic and on the western outskirts of Donetsk city. In addition, two Tochka-U ballistic missiles were shot down in the air over the Krynki settlement of the Kherson region, and seven shells of the Haimars multiple launch rocket system were shot down in the Novaya Kakhovka, Lyubimovka and Chervoniy Mayak districts of the Kherson region. Also, four projectiles of the multiple launch rocket system "Smerch" were intercepted in the Vesely Kut area of the Mykolaiv region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 aircraft, 145 helicopters, 1720 unmanned aerial vehicles, 365 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4283 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 795 multiple rocket launchers, 3286 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4807 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Posted by: Summary | Aug 10 2022 11:34 utc | 136

Disconnecting Zaporizhia NPP from European electricity markets

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 108

Rosatom has apparently taken full control of Zaporizhia NPP. Energoatom is reporting that Zaporizhia will cut the interconnect to the Ukraine/European grid and instead resync and connect to the Russian grid that now feeds Crimea and the Donbas. I assume that means all Russian-controlled areas will now be fed from/connected to the Zaporizhia/Russian grid. Furthermore, the rest of Ukraine still on the Ukraine/European grid can no longer be fed from Zaporizhia or connected to it or any grid it feeds. Ukraine cut its system from the Russian grid and switched to the European grid right after the Russians made their move in March.

Two posts from Telegram from last night and this morning

Ukraine complains that the Russian Federation has begun the process of connecting the ZNPP to the Russian power system with parallel preparations for disconnecting the ZNPP from the Ukrainian power system, which accounts for up to 20% of all generation in Ukraine.

Boris Rozhin

https://t.me/swodki/145892

Today:

Energoatom President Petr Kotin said that Rosatom personnel had handed over to the plant a special program to reconnect the ZNPP to Crimea. To do this, Russian specialists will first have to turn off the entire south of Ukraine, including parts of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions controlled by Russian troops. After that, these territories will be powered from the substation in Dzhankoy, then gradually connected to the Kakhovskaya, and then to the Zaporizhzhya NPP.

https://t.me/swodki/146110

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 10 2022 11:42 utc | 137

TPaine @123: "...it may be prudent to shut down all reactors safely instead of waiting for Ukrainian forces to create a nuclear disaster."

There is no "safe shut down" of big reactors, at least not quickly. It takes weeks for them to go relatively cold and enough short-lived reaction byproducts burn themselves out that the coolant systems can be shut down. They need power that whole time to keep coolant circulating or the reactor core melts. This is why other posters have mentioned that the plant is very unsafe right now. So long as you have one of the reactors operating then you have plenty of on-site power to keep the rest of the plant in a stable state, but with only one reactor running you have little on-site redundancy. In normal circumstances you can just draw what power you need from the grid (getting power from off-site plants) to keep everything running while the reactor cools down, but given how stupid-psycho the Ukronians have become that is not even remotely a reliable option.

I would bet this is actually the real reason why Russia is connecting and syncing Zaporizhia NPP with the Russian grid. It is not to thumb their noses at the headless sprinting chicken "you're a`peein` " types but to provide dependable backup power in case the entire plant needs to be shut down.

Anyway, when the Ukronian cyborgs get cut off from their power supply they can just get it from the EU since the rest of their grid is interconnected and synced. I'm sure they will get a nice discount! :)

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc | 138

The latest from LiveUAmap (this time for real):

At Novopavlivka and Zaporizhzhia directions Russian tanks, howitzers and MLRS shelled Kostiantynopolske, Novomykhailivka, Mala Tokmachka, Velykomykhailivka, Pavlivka, Volodymyrivka, Schevchenko, Prechystivka, Velyka Novosilka, Burlatske, Vremivka, Zalizhnychne, Stepove, Poltavka, Novosilka, Huliaipole and Mali Scherbaky. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes near Pavlivka, Vuhledar and Novosilka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

It looks like the whole front line in Zaparozhia Oblast is on fire. Maybe Russia plans to capture all of the oblast, including its capital city, before the referendum.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 10 2022 11:55 utc | 139

William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc | 139 "I'm sure they will get a nice discount"

A Russian winter discount. Bathe less, chop down protected forests for 'firewoods' as Putin terms it. Firewoods.... Putin told the Europeans if they need firewoods, there is much in Siberia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:00 utc | 140

No, I am very real. :)
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Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 9 2022 14:11 utc | 1

I assure you, Petri Krohn is very real…and very determined!

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 12:03 utc | 141

Russians with Attitude have a substack. They publish translated works from Russian authors. This one about Ukraine is insightful-

The Small Life of Stuart Calvin Zabuzhko
short story by K. Krylov, 2003

Posted by: Browser | Aug 10 2022 12:04 utc | 142

anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 12:03 utc | 142

Both Paveway and Petri Krohn. A lot of stuff put into layman's language.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:10 utc | 143

Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the DPR Vostok Battalion writes.

For two days of fighting in the offensive in the conditions of the "crossroads" I lost five killed in action and seven wounded. In terms of irretrievable losses, this is more than in three months of fighting in Mariupol. In principle, I am considered the most "economical" in this regard, and therefore I do not count by dozens, but this is not a reason not to do an analysis even with such a relatively small amount, especially since the current losses were accompanied by more than a modest result.

The main thing: not a single dead or wounded resulted from small arms fire - only from artillery. So, we are talking about artillery ... The own artillery of the advancing units, as a rule, is short-range, and is located in the affected area. The reaction time of the enemy is four or six of our shots, after which they immediately "answer". This suggests that their artillery intelligence is working effectively. Our longer-range artillery, which is outside the affected area, is subordinate only to the senior commander, and it takes from thirty minutes to four hours to engage it, while similar enemy artillery reacts in a matter of minutes - why?

The point, it seems to me, is in the structure of the army organization and in the structure of army thinking. The NATO approach, which is now actively used in Ukraine, implies the possibility for any sergeant, as part of the implementation of the plan, to request exactly the resource that can help solve the problem. But our system does not imply this: you need to go through the entire chain of approvals before the senior boss decides to allocate you the necessary resources, which, as you yourself understand, is problematic.

The means work according to the planned goals, but the plans of the senior commander may not coincide with the plans on the sector of the front, where there is a need for a heavier resource, and then you have to wait, and at this time the enemy is working and inflicting damage on us. Then our offensives are thwarted, then our defenses break through.

https://t.me/swodki/146129

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 10 2022 12:13 utc | 144

I would bet this is actually the real reason why Russia is connecting and syncing Zaporizhia NPP with the Russian grid. It is not to thumb their noses at the headless sprinting chicken "you're a`peein` " types but to provide dependable backup power in case the entire plant needs to be shut down.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc

Relying on "backup" power to safety systems like pumps running can be a problem. The 2003 Blackout in the eastern US/Canada was made worse because the whole grid went down, neighbouring grids had t odisconnect to prevent the spread of the blackout. The theory was, the entire grid will NEVER fail... until it did. The Niagara Falls hydro plants on both sides of the border couldn't make electricity despite the generator being able to spin because there was no power to energize the generator field windings. Now all Canadian power stations have diesel-powered backup generators to ensure this does not happen again. These gen-sets send no power to the grid, just power essential systems like pumps and safety/shutdown systems in nuke plants.

I am surprised the European/Russian power plants of all types have apparently not retrofitted against a similar grid failure.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 10 2022 12:14 utc | 145

Both Paveway and Petri Krohn. A lot of stuff put into layman's language.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:10 utc | 144

Agreed, many thanks to them both and to your good self, lights in the darkness.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 12:18 utc | 146

I am surprised the European/Russian power plants of all types have apparently not retrofitted against a similar grid failure.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 10 2022 12:14 utc | 146

As other people have pointed out, maintenance is considered to interfere with profit in western economic thinking, unnecessary. The short-term thinking is everywhere and belligerent about it too. It would be interesting to know if the Chinese are better about that, the unglamorous parts of technology.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 10 2022 12:22 utc | 147

Ukraine war must end with liberation of Crimea – Zelensky

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62487303

According to the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD), two recent attacks on the Antonivskiy Bridge have left Russian troops "virtually cut off".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60506682

Both must know that anything like these objectives is impracticable and has been since February 21st. Why is this nonsense still insisted on? One must leave examination of that to such as Mercouris, who is expert at disentangling the twists and turns of propaganda as expressed in the Western media.

I haven't seen Mercouris put a foot wrong on that yet, but that murky subject of Western propaganda aside I remain convinced that NATO never expected Kiev to win or even to hold its own. NATO had put its faith in breaking Russia with sanctions. The most ever hoped for in Ukraine itself was a long drawn out guerrilla war after the inevitable defeat of the Ukrainian armed forces.

The usual shorthand for this is that the West wants Ukraine to become Russia's Afghanistan. Also nonsense. Neither the people not the terrain lend themselves to that. But the population mix does lend itself to a degree of terrorist activity. That's already seen in Kherson. There have been indications of it off and on in the LDNR since 2014. And that the more extreme C14 and Aidar types see the Russian inclined element in the Ukrainian population as Untermenschen indicates that that terrorist activity will be ruthless, particularly in the East.

So not Afghanistan. Northern Ireland. There, it took half the British army and an extensive Intelligence operation to defeat only a thousand or so determined to resort to terrorist activity. And the steps taken to do that inevitably alienated the general population. The military is not well suited to such a policing role and makes frequent mistakes. The suspicion and hatred thus engendered lingers still.

It's a realistic hope for NATO therefore, that hope of seeing a Northern Ireland on a massive scale play out in Ukraine. Whether it will turn out so depends on whether the Ukrainians themselves have wearied of the corruption and extremism that they have become used to from Kiev. Or whether eight years of Glory to the Heroes and Bandera summer camps have made them all inclined to such extremism.

I think not. I watch the videos like everyone else. I don't think it fanciful to detect among Ukrainians of whatever inclination a shared weariness. Maybe a growing consciousness that their country has been used as a geopolitical football. Certainly a deep weariness' of the wreckage of their country that has resulted. I suspect they want a return to normal life after the eight destructive years that followed the Revolution of Dignity. No longer caring too much who gives them that return.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 12:29 utc | 148

PeterAu1@75...due to the short life span of most 'wildlife' is anyone checking these animals for abnormal cell structure caused by radiation exposure? Just because Bambi is thriving (short life span) doesn't make the zone safe, just means no human encroachment, like kayotes and foxes walking around Detroit, thriving in hoods devoid of human life.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 10 2022 12:35 utc | 149

Old canadian @146: "I am surprised the European/Russian power plants of all types have apparently not retrofitted against a similar grid failure."

I have read in numerous places that Zaporizhia NPP has on-site diesel generators (as does Chernobyl) to provide emergency power. I suspect that relying upon diesel generators for the several weeks it takes to bring a big reactor to cold shutdown isn't considered a viable Plan A or Plan B, or even Plan C. Doubtless it can be done but it would be a memorable experience for the plant operators. Standby generators are usually not designed to run that long and it is unlikely that much diesel fuel will be kept on site. Stressful, to be sure.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 12:37 utc | 150

The head of the Ukrainian Energoatom, Petr Kotin, threatens that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will interrupt the power lines at the ZNPP if Russia starts disconnecting it from the Ukrainian energy system. He himself considers it "the right decision."

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 12:53 utc | 151


wartranslated.com published an Interview of an "expert of the PRISP Center Pyotr Skorobogaty" with "Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, founded in 1997. Pukhov is quite closely affiliated with the Russian Ministry of Defence and is a member of the board of experts within the government of the Russian Federation."

Pukhov presents a quite critical view of the army of the RF, which he explicitly identifies with. In several points more negative than the sources that are presented here at MoA. What do you think about it?

https://wartranslated.com/russian-defence-research-expert-on-afu-performance-the-effect-of-western-weapon-supplies/

Posted by: Moses | Aug 10 2022 12:58 utc | 152

DunGroanin | Aug 10 2022 10:16 utc | 132

"I can’t imagine that these F35’s will have continued success when drones and AI IT systems are brought into play - the over reliance on IT control to keep pesky humans who may turn whistleblowers over war crimes out - means that the ghost in the machine can be encouraged to self destruct."

Speaking of the fabulous F-35, all non-essential flights of F-35s have been grounded these last few days. There was a serious issue with ejector seats and the grounding was a precaution for pilots.

Something similar happened with Germany's airforce only recently. Can't remember though if it was Tornados or Eurofighters that were concerned.

Unfortunately, neither Russia nor China took advantage of this.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 10 2022 13:03 utc | 153

... So not Afghanistan. Northern Ireland. ...

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 12:29 utc | 149

When the IRA carried out an attack, the UK didn’t respond by missiling something in the Republic of Ireland. If Zelensky’s heroic snuff-nazis IED a civilian administrator in RF allied territory, I can’t see rump Ukraine getting away with the excuse that other kids did it and ran away, something of theirs will explode or they’ll lose more territory.

Not that it’s ever seemed to be on the RF menu, but the threat of Ukro-partisan operations, as voiced by no less a personage than Major General Harald Gante, Chief of Staff of the German Army, and vapid Stepford Natoist, is yet another reason that a ceasefire-only stop to hostilities is absolutely out of the question.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 13:03 utc | 154

I had only thought of the Bayraktar spray units spreading bio, but on the anglo side this is a no holds barred fight and nothing is beyond the pale.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 7:12 utc | 109

It would be a little more difficult to pass off a thousand-square-mile patch of radiocesium as a natural catastrophe like an epidemic.


Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 10 2022 13:38 utc | 155

So ya, nuclear power as it is currently being run is not as safe or cost effective as it could/should be. But to abandon the entire industry is like blaming a car for breaking down when you won't change the oil/filter because it costs "too much".

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 16:09 utc | 22

That analogy is a simplification. The real problem is that nuclear tech is too complex, even with our relatively simple Candu reactors.

Depending of local conditions, some combination of; hydro, geothermal, tidal, wind, solar and biomass with small serial natural gas for peak demand and redundancy are all better options.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 13:54 utc | 156

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 13:54 utc | 156

Not so says this Texan.
Unreliable green energy ain't git'n it done down here.

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | Aug 10 2022 13:56 utc | 157

Russian Bear = Daniel 7:5 Bear

3 Ribs in the Mouth of the Russian Bear = 100% of Crimea (Feb. 2022) + 100% of Luhansk (July 2022) + 100% of Donetsk (?)

What Happens Next?: The Russian Bear arises and devours much flesh, NATO is nuked. This includes the USA.

What to do? Get out of the USA before the bear has all 3 ribs in its mouth. You really don't want to be where many nukes destroy the land within one hour. There is no future to stay there (Jeremiah 50). There is no life to stay there. Flee out of Babylon USA while you still can. There is not much time left!

Posted by: Cl. Young | Aug 10 2022 14:00 utc | 158

Decision making centres?
Oh, sure! Everyone is tired that Zelly is still alive. Zaluzhny too. Maybe Russia should've taken them off? Maybe Stoltenberg too, and what about the demented Joe?

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 20:32 utc | 56

Ahh no, these are just the (bad) script readers. All of the Kagan/Nuland homes and offices should be #1. The CIA offices in Kyiv #2. Recall that Ukraine was relatively quiet from 2017-20 when Trump was in office and Nuland was on the sidelines.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 159

Found this on telegram:
"Ukrainian terrorists on the evening of August 9, near the village of Lyubitskoye in the Kursk region, blew up a power line pylon coming from the Kursk nuclear power plant.
The damaged support is located 20 km from the Kursk nuclear power plant and 100 km from the border with Ukraine. The explosion did not affect the power supply of the region"

If this is true, this "operation" has to turn into full war before it gets out of control.

Some other news: Swedish government intends to send new military and financial assistance to Ukraine in a total of around $100 million

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 160

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 13:03 utc | 154

Yes. But attacks on Russian administrators in the liberated areas, and on those suspected of being pro-Russian in the areas held by Kiev are, already frequent. It's going to be difficult for the Russians to stop that without alienating the local population, particularly in the West.

The comparison with Northern Ireland, though unsatisfactory in other respects, is relevant in this. Bearing in mind that Ukraine is awash with arms of all sorts, whereas in Northern Ireland the supply of explosives was restricted and there was, as far as I know, no chance of getting hold of Manpads or Javelins and the like. As many have pointed out, some of the weapons supplied to Ukraine weren't that useful for the sort of war the Ukrainians found themselves fighting but are more than adequate for isolated attacks on civilians or civilian infrastructure.

The greater problem of what to do with remnant Ukraine still remains. This is why, as you say, "a ceasefire-only stop to hostilities is absolutely out of the question." But since anything like Minsk 2 is now quite out of the question too this does leave the Russians with a problem. I attempted to set this out recently.

"Believe it or not, the Russians have a problem. If they take Western Ukraine, even temporarily, then it becomes their responsibility. They have to keep the place running - it needs masses of aid - and at the same time cope with a largely hostile population.

If they don't take Western Ukraine then NATO can keep feeding arms in, maybe more covert military support, and remnant Ukraine will become what NATO had hoped for earlier with the entire Ukraine - a constant security threat to Russia right on their border.

Could be the reason why NATO is insisting Kiev keeps fighting even though all know the war has long since been lost. NATO's hoping to save a remnant Ukraine from the wreckage that'll stay a security risk to Russia.

Presumably the Russians have worked out how to cope but if NATO keeps using Ukraine, or what's left of it, as in effect a battering ram against Russia it'll all last longer than this autumn."

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/politics-optics-matter/

That was to a German who was hoping that the effect on his country of a sanctions war would be transient. It won't be, but Russia is still left with the problem of how to avoid occupying remnant Ukraine, which would be messy and ruinously expensive, without the remnant Ukraine remaining a permanent security threat.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 161

Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 159
Recall that Ukraine was relatively quiet from 2017-20

Trump was the first to send weapons to Ukr. Obomber and Vicky didn't do it. Trump is basically the main supporter of attacks.

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:13 utc | 162


It appears the Ukraine Crisis is rapidly dropping out of the US MSM, I guess the election is starting to loom large. Russia was to be on it's knees by now

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 10 2022 14:23 utc | 163

English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 161
If they don't take Western Ukraine then NATO can keep feeding arms in, maybe more covert military support

I had the same idea, nato won't stop.
But Russia didn't target the nato proxies yet. nato needs all the management behind weapons delivery, it's not teleported.
Now there should be at least 100k dead nazis and at least 100k more badly wounded. Soon the demilitarization stage will end. Nato knows they are losing the army and will be left with a few nazis and mercenaries to continue with terrorism.
But Russia allows this to happen. The borders are open, the nazi government works, roads and trains work etc. And they haven't applied sanctions to the West either. I've never seen anyone able to explain their strategy.

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:31 utc | 164

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 10:19 utc | 133

Thank you Peter. I appreciate the time taken to provide information.

Cheers

Posted by: RiNS | Aug 10 2022 14:33 utc | 165

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:13 utc | 163

I think we have been supplying weapons for a lot longer than Trump's tenure

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 10 2022 14:42 utc | 166

@ English Outsider #149 ”… the population mix does lend itself to a degree of terrorist activity…”
@anon2020 #155 ”… Major General Harald Gante, Chief of Staff of the German Army…”

The German general reportedly said “…The Ukrainian counteroffensive will not be similar to what Russia is doing. The actions of UAF will be based on partisans, uprisings in occupied cities, and mobile operations behind enemy lines…"
History can teach a lesson here, again: "…The enemy... will be taken in the rear by the fanatical population, which will ceaselessly worry him, tie down strong forces and allow him no rest or exploitation of any possible success…" [Joseph Goebbels, autumn 1944, “Werwolf” speech]. Hitler’s Inspector General for Special Defense, SS Obersturmbannführer Otto Skorzeny, in charge of the operation, knowing that the war was lost, rather decided they would instead be useful for an underground escape support system called "ratlines" that enabled thousands of SS officers and other Nazis to flee after the fall of the Third Reich.
Having read Zanon’s post Aug 8 2022 13:34 utc | 31 “…Pentagon-hired contractors ‘everywhere on battlefield’ in Ukraine – media…”, it crossed my mind that the UA partisans might be likewise few in numbers and become likewise useful for the same purpose.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 10 2022 14:51 utc | 167

China, which Russia has sought as an ally since being cold-shouldered by the West over its invasion of Ukraine, has called the United States the “main instigator” of the crisis, Reuters reported.

In an interview with the Russian state news agency TASS published on Wednesday, China’s ambassador to Moscow, Zhang Hanhui, accused Washington of backing Russia into a corner with repeated expansions of the Nato defence alliance and support for forces seeking to align Ukraine with the European Union rather than Moscow.

“As the initiator and main instigator of the Ukrainian crisis, Washington, while imposing unprecedented comprehensive sanctions on Russia, continues to supply arms and military equipment to Ukraine,” Zhang was quoted as saying.

“Their ultimate goal is to exhaust and crush Russia with a protracted war and the cudgel of sanctions.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 10 2022 14:51 utc | 168

@ English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 12:29 utc | 149

I would expect more a boondoggle like Werewolf, once denazification is finished, the whole story of the 2014 regime laid out, and the floodgates opened on what people saw and suffered under it.

Any such "partisan" activity will be as "Ukrainian" as the present regime itself, with foreigners carrying the burden.

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 10 2022 14:58 utc | 169

Posted by: Moses | Aug 10 2022 12:58 utc | 153
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He is just an expert, meaning he doesn't know much...these days experts are dime a dozen...😃

Posted by: rp | Aug 10 2022 15:19 utc | 170

@ 163
Its called boiling frog syndrom. The russian army is using this. Slowly, slowly increase the pain in Europe, slowly, slowly kill the ukrainian army. If the russians would have stopped oil,gas,titan etc. etc. bombed the western part of ukr. in February, all europian nations would have immiadetly started to find replacements and closed the ranks. Now, the boiling frog syndrom is working like magic. Europe is not prepaired for winter and is on its way for disintegration.
Had a phonecall today with friends in italy. Are you saving gas and electricity ? Answer: naaa, no one here is changing lifestyle. For germany ? No way...

Switzerland is not saving energy. Its summer. Sufficent power (no gas, no coal, no oil, only water and nuclear) but during winter, france was in the past supplying the increased needs of switzerland. But france is now importing energy from switzerland,in summer, due to damaged cooling systems in the newer power stations.


Posted by: Guest | Aug 10 2022 15:22 utc | 171

@ Melaleuca | Aug 10 2022 5:31 utc | 99 // 100 - thanks... the energy debacle is significant...

@ PavewayIV | Aug 10 2022 7:06 utc | 108 // @ Petri Krohn | Aug 10 2022 12:13 utc | 145 - thanks for the perspective on this.. much appreciated..

@ GMC | Aug 10 2022 8:31 utc | 119 - thanks for your personal first hand view on this...

@ peter au - thanks for your posts here..

Posted by: james | Aug 10 2022 15:51 utc | 172

CBS did mildly critical story on Ukraine, Ukraine government objected, CBS removes it. our fearless media at work.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/08/10/cbs-wanted-to-do-critical-reporting-on-ukraines-government-but-ukraines-government-said-no/

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 10 2022 15:53 utc | 173

@ pretzelattack | Aug 10 2022 15:53 utc | 174

yes..... cbs beholden to ukraine.. ukraine -zelensky beholden to the cia....western msm, cbs included this beholden to the intel agrencies.. that is the power structure their...

Posted by: james | Aug 10 2022 16:26 utc | 174

re: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc | 139

you wrote: "There is no "safe shut down" of big reactors, at least not quickly. It takes weeks for them to go relatively cold and enough short-lived reaction byproducts burn themselves out that the coolant systems can be shut down. They need power that whole time to keep coolant circulating or the reactor core melts. This is why other posters have mentioned that the plant is very unsafe right now. So long as you have one of the reactors operating then you have plenty of on-site power to keep the rest of the plant in a stable state "

I think you are inferring that a nuclear power plant (with multiple reactors) can be supplied with enough electricity to continue normal operations, as well as emergency cooling operations, if at least one of the reactors at the plant continues to function. I don't think this is correct. Nuclear power plants do not use the electricity they generate to run themselves.

Nuclear power plants are designed with three sources of electricity: (1) the offsite power grid, (2) the backup power supply, and (3) the direct current power from batteries found in a battery bank. In the US, nuclear power plants are required to keep one weeks supply of diesel fuel on hand to run emergency diesel backup generators. These generators are for the emergency power and cooling systems; the spent fuel pools are not designed to accept power from them, so the only way to prevent the spent fuel pools from overheating and boiling off is to pump water into the pools, as was done a Fukushima. (If the water in the pools boils off to the point where the spent fuel assemblies are exposed to air or steam, they will heat to the point of rupture and/or ignition, releasing enormous amounts of radiation).

The station batteries are designed to supply sufficient electricity to a minimal subset of emergency equipment needed to cool the reactor core for 4 to 8 hours when it is assumed that either the connection to the offsite power grid will be restored or at least one of the backup power supplies will be repaired and returned to service. see Nuclear Power(less) Plants

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 10 2022 17:18 utc | 175

That analogy is a simplification. The real problem is that nuclear tech is too complex, even with our relatively simple Candu reactors.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 13:54 utc


OF COURSE it was a "simplification". Candu reactors relatively simple? Compared to what? You obviously haven't worked in any nuclear industry, anywhere. Complicated???!!! Even simple stuff apparently is not "simple".

1) While I was working at AECL, one day my manager came into the lab very upset. It was in the early 1980's as the last Pickering units were being brought online. Apparently the Canadian Airforce at Trenton, almost since the first unit came online in 1971, had been flying "vision navigation" training using the Pickering reactor domes as a reference point. Basically, the pilots were told to "fly down the lakeshore until you are over the nuke plant domes, then turn..."

Airspace over nuke plants is supposed to be "no fly" for ALL aircraft. Period.

So my boss was upset because now they had to re-calulate all the risk assessments that supported the entire site certifications, which had been done based on NO AIRCRAFT overhead. OOPS. No site certification, no run da plants. DUHH.


2) The US branch company I worked for in the 1990s simply passed through US-manufacture and spec certified products to the Canadian NPPs. But I soon learned that for use in the US, those same products had to comply with certain sections of 10CFR which applies to the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

So ya, I dealt with "complicated" working in the nuke industry. Here's 10CFR if you want to see the details. Even the packaging for certified products is specified. Ya, complicated. Be thankful I "simplified" a bit.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-10/chapter-I

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 10 2022 18:43 utc | 177

Russians with Attitude have a substack. They publish translated works from Russian authors. This one about Ukraine is insightful-

The Small Life of Stuart Calvin Zabuzhko
short story by K. Krylov, 2003

Posted by: Browser | Aug 10 2022 12:04 utc | 143

Disturbing and, to the extent that is parodies a few very uncomfortable truths, rather sad. Recommend, with those qualifications.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 18:44 utc | 178

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 162

I take your point, thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:31 utc | 165

Likewise.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 10 2022 19:17 utc | 179

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:11 utc | 161

power lines were mothballed anyways so no biggie. part of the now defunct electrical supply grid to ukraine. it was apparently shelled

Posted by: hankster | Aug 10 2022 21:52 utc | 180

belarus, zyabrovka airfield big explosions. russia uses this airbase. now theres a big escalation looks like sabotage . breaking news dont know much else at present. seems to have shifted into sabotage phase .

Posted by: hankster | Aug 10 2022 23:13 utc | 181

[...] But if the reported high security systems going down in the MIC on US soil are correct. [...]

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 10 2022 10:16 utc | 132

What reports? Do you have a link?

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 11 2022 0:30 utc | 182

Ukraine have tried to assasinate leader of Kherson!

NYT reports that #Ukrainian intelligence poisoned Russian-appointed head of #Kherson regional administration. He is former mayor of Kherson city in #Ukraine. Saldo is reportedly in coma in Crimea. #RussianUkrainianWar #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineWar

https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1557401535172296710

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 11 2022 8:17 utc | 183

There’s a big confab happening in Copenhagen… to raise funds for Ukraine, a bunch of Defence Ministers gathering, according to Ukraine’s Defence Ministry:

“The participation of the Defense Ministers and their representatives from the following countries has been announced: Great Britain, the Republic of Estonia, Iceland, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, Slovak Republic, the USA, Finnish Republic, Czech Republic, Kingdom of Sweden, and in VTC format – Australia, Canada, and New Zealand.”

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/on-august-11-a-number-of-countries-will-discuss-the-new-military-aid-to-ukraine-in-copenhagen/

And from Denmark:

“The Ukrainian Minister of Defence Oleksii Oleksii Reznikov, the British Secretary of State for Defence Ben Wallace and the Danish Minister of Defence Morten Bødskov are hosting the conference #CopenhagenUkraine at Christiansborg, inside the Danish Parliament. The aim of the conference is to strengthen the co-operation between Ukraine and a number of mainly Northern and Eastern European countries in regards to how we best support Ukraine in the Ukrainian defence against the brutal Russian invasion.”

https://fmn.dk/en/news/2022/ukraine-storbritannien-og-danmark-er-varter-for-international-donorkonference-i-kobenhavn/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 11 2022 10:42 utc | 184

Ukraine did not lose its riches, the riches simply were moved to selected pockets. It is called Metamorphosis. Just watch.

https://vk.com/video561450064_456239502

Posted by: Paco | Aug 11 2022 10:52 utc | 185

162, 168, etc.

I haven't seen any estimate as to Ukraine's future ability to build an army. Before this SMO, they were 4th worst nation for population loss. Add on refugees leaving and dead young men and at some point they can't revive as a nation or construct a significant army. If they try guerrilla action, Russia just bombs them for a while. And if they control the coastline, the leverage is there. In Vietnam, they had to stop the war once the US shut off Haiphong.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 11 2022 11:57 utc | 186

re Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 8:32 utc | 120
Peter I have no desire to get into some pointless argument with you, especially not with a person whose sentiments I appreciate no matter how much I deplore your rationalisations, but I do feel that you are allowing knee jerk bullshit distract from the reality.

Sure some ukies are arseholes, I'm sure just like every other human, you live ina community which contains a few absolute arseholes - so what?
That has nothing to do with the point I was making that whilst the vast majority of Russian citizens are decent human beings, concerned that Germany which controls the EU is dangerous, that does not detract from reality, they are currently ruled by opportunist low lifes whose aims barely vary from those of zelenski & the Ukie mob.
If the largest opposition force The Russian Communist Party had not been robbed of victory February this year, the amerikan funded ukie 'administration would be currently defunct and the friction would have been resolved without ukies or Russians dying.

How? Why? Because 'the reds' had a strategy centered on friendship towards a Ukrainian population who had consistently voted for a peaceful resolution, however once United Russia perverted the result realising that they could politically profit from this disagreement, United Future decided it was nore fruitful for them to stop talking & start fighting, so that is what they did.
Politicians left to their own devices are the same the whole world over. In contemporary times when socialism, the only rational community structure is so ubiquitously propagandised against & derided it is difficult enough to get the message out without all and sundry who should know better lapping up capitalist tosh.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 11 2022 14:34 utc | 187

But Russia allows this to happen. The borders are open, the nazi government works, roads and trains work etc. And they haven't applied sanctions to the West either. I've never seen anyone able to explain their strategy.

Posted by: rk | Aug 10 2022 14:31 utc | 165

I think from the beginning this operation was always viewed (by both Western and Eurasian blocs for whom Ukraine is a mutual bone of contention) within the larger geopolitical context. Although the initial timing may have been precipitated by the February 16th onset of more intense bombardment, no doubt the Eurasians had this gamed out every which way from Sunday as Putin himself said several times before and after launching the SMO.

So the way the SMO is going to work out ultimately will depend upon the geopolitical success in the larger world theatre (and not vice versa) specifically by engendering extreme internal political and economic stress on the entire Empire of Lies. Ideally this will feature a collapse of the will to dominate other nations. The current elites in the West are out of touch with their populations although they can still exert tremendous influence through mass media. They can control in many ways but not connect. The upcoming stress to the entire polity top to bottom is going to exacerbate internal divisions and angst already mounting and, again ideally, at some point divorce those elites from their power base which, ultimately as it always is, are the people - their work, their consent, their very being.

At some point the peoples' reality will outflank the elites ability to hold them in psychological capture. And all this stress will come about because of the SMO and its related sanctions which are now starting with China.

Just like with the SMO where there is no real hope of victory for Ukraine but they can make a huge mess for a long time, so also now as Eurasia + BRIC + Global South etc. begin to truly coalesce there is no way the West can beat them albeit they can make a huge mess for a long time.

This geopolitical asymmetrically waged war might well take a decade or more to play out before the West finally capitulates having no choice but to finally take care of its own many problems. Hopefully with a few new constitutions in the mix.

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