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August 07, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-124

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Posted by b on August 7, 2022 at 12:24 UTC | Permalink

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this is good news. It's about time.
I've been wondering when that would happening
apparently it's a city of around 486,000 people (2017), so that might take some time to occupy and clear/clean up the town

and then on to Odessa by early/late autumn?


https://t.me/asbmil/3730

ASB Military News
It is reported by Russian sources that Russia is about to launch an offensive on Nikolaev
t.me/asbmil/3730

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Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 8 2022 1:04 utc | 101

Here is an interview with Lindsey Snell conducted by Katie Halper and Aaron Mate

https://youtu.be/P_NBTq-34b0?t=1238

Lindsey Snell, journalist at ishgal.com, crossed the Ukraine border to talk to soldiers and civilians. What she found surprised her:

There are Ukrainian forces who are “openly Neonazis, and we’re still giving them weapons and calling them something that they’re not.” All across the frontlines Lindsey found swastikas, SS symbols, and Wolfsangels. But negative news in Ukraine undermines the West’s mission to bleed Russia and sell more weapons, so corporate US media paints over it.

Lindsey also found that while the western mercenaries who flew over to kill Russians are loving the war, most of the Ukrainians she spoke to, both soldiers and citizens, want it to end.

“The corruption and lack of equipment is worse in Ukraine than anywhere I’ve been, Syria, Iraq, Libya. It’s just so bad.” And for the Ukrainians who are starving, losing their homes, and dying, “there’s no end in sight.”

What’s worse — as is the norm with guests on Useful Idiots — no one in western media will report on Lindsey’s story. “Journalists come and see how corrupt everything is and that the soldiers have nothing, but none of is is reflected in mainstream reporting. It’s very well known but it’s just not getting past the filter of western media.”

ishgal.com

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 8 2022 1:11 utc | 102

From GeromanAT re-tweets I have learned that war can be complicated.

1. Russian shelled NPP in Enerhodar, endangering blah blah, so far, so simple...

2. Shelling was absolutely justified because satellite videos (photos?) prove the presence of Russian military vehicles in the plant.

In this way, Ukrainian sources justify the behavior of Russian armed sources which is, hm, rare.

Mind you, only when Russian shell their vehicles inside civilian installations it is justified.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 2:02 utc | 103

Here is an interview with Lindsey Snell conducted by Katie Halper and Aaron Mate

https://youtu.be/P_NBTq-34b0?t=1238

Lindsey Snell, journalist at ishgal.com, crossed the Ukraine border to talk to soldiers and civilians. What she found surprised her:
There are Ukrainian forces who are “openly Neonazis...

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To me, it is like calling Pope a Neo-Christian, a bit insulting because it casts aspertion on the Apostolic Succession. Perhaps even worse, as the continuity between Ukrainian followers of Hitler and the contemporary Ukrainian fascists is solidly documented.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 2:06 utc | 104

@Piotr Berman, I definitely don't buy that Russia is shelling the NPP but there's no question that it's using it a shield for troops and materiel. They really ought to declare a demil zone around the plant and let IAEA monitor/verify. And Ukraine ought to treat it as off limits no matter what Russia does. Russia's insane assault back in March when they came in and blasted the hell out of an admin building with autocannons ricocheting all over the place was scary enough.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 2:49 utc | 105

@Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 2:49 utc | 105

Given that there is a ~900km front line why is it that the UAF finds it necessary to shell the Zaporizhzhya NPP and civilian areas of Donesk and the prison where the Azov POWs were staying? They weren't shelling the NPP to dislodge the Russians or hit a military target but to attempt to disrupt the power station and score points with their international backers.

Why don't you go back and hang with your bros over at Bellingcrap?

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 8 2022 3:19 utc | 106

@ uncle tungsten | Aug 8 2022 1:11 utc | 102

@ Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 2:06 utc | 104

great video.. thanks guys...

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 3:40 utc | 107

Steven Starr: thank you! Interesting video.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 8 2022 4:18 utc | 108

Thank you to uncle tungsten and Piotr Berman as well!

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 8 2022 4:49 utc | 109

On the economic side:

That Yale economic report that’s being widely circulated fails on a number of counts:,

First - Those Yale boffins can not conceive of a economy that grows without endlessly adding debt. The Russian economy has been cash flow positive for some time now. That means they can self fund economic growth without debt.

Second - It’s True that a isolated economy tends to have lower growth long term growth rate than a integrated economy over the long term. ( law of comparative advantage ) However, the (illegal) sanctions haven‘t isolated the Russian economy from the R.O.W. One might argue the sanctions regime has only served to isolate NATOland economies from the dynamic Eurasian growth markets.

Third - The specter of de-dollarization is now very real. Our Yale friends might scoff at the notion of de-dollarization because ‚what currency could possibly replace the dollar ?‘ . That’s where our friends make a fatal error - there does not need to be a signal global reserve currency. Full De-dollarization might take Eurasia 5-7 years - but it’s now inevitable. The negative effects of de-dollarization will be profound on our living standards. What happens when Washington needs to pay average 5% interest on its debt instead of the ~1% average interest cost in 2019 ?

Fourth - The (illegal) Asset Seizures have a profound chilling effect on foreign investment in the US. There are roughly $30 trillion of foreign financial assets invested in U.S. markets. Ask yourself what Brazillian, Indian, Chinese, or Arab investor is going to increase his US investments ? On the contrary, they‘ll be slowly and prudently exiting their US investments. Our Yale friends missed this critical variable.

In conclusion - while these negative effects will take a some years to be felt, they are profound.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 8 2022 5:00 utc | 110

there's no question that it's using it a shield for troops and materiel [of Russia].

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 2:49 utc | 105

My faith in identification of what trucks are doing on the ground on the basis of satellite pictures was badly shaken after Colin Powell presented such pictures to UN, proving (really) Iraqi chemical and biological weapons program.

Same reason for doubts when Bellingcat makes feats of "geolocation" (a new type of geomancy?) with the help of British Intelligence. How many forged notes do we have to accept before refusing cash payments from a guy?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 5:00 utc | 111

Europe's largest nuclear power plant shelled! (Again)

"Europe should thank Russia," the newspaper Izvestia quoted Kovitti, a member of the Russian Federation Council, as saying that it is necessary for the international community to recognize that the systematic attack of the Ukrainian army on the Zaporizhian nuclear power plant poses a fatal danger to the entire European continent. Because of the protection of the Russian army, Europeans were protected from the nuclear catastrophe caused by the crazy actions of Ukraine.

Source: Global Times

[Sui Xin, Liu Yupeng, special correspondent of the Global Times in Russia] The authorities of the Ukrainian city of Energodar said on the 7th [Aug. 7, yesterday apparently] that the Ukrainian army attacked the Zaporozhia nuclear power plant located in the city in the early morning of the same day. Just this past weekend, Russia and Ukraine were accusing each other of being "terrorist acts" because the nuclear power plant was shelled twice on the 5th. This is not the first spat between Russia and Ukraine over the attack on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. Shells frequently landed at Europe's largest nuclear power plant, increasingly unsettling the region and the world. On the 6th, the International Atomic Energy Agency issued a warning on the threat of nuclear disaster, calling for "must stop" and requesting the dispatch of a team of experts. However, the United States and the West clearly cannot wait for the investigation of the truth of the matter, and they have used this as the latest pretext to condemn Russia.

Shell fragments fell less than 400 meters from the reactor

https://www.laitimes.com/en/article/3rowh_48dvy.html

Posted by: RKJoyce - Prophet | Aug 8 2022 5:20 utc | 112

Continuing dialogue with Yenvoda:

assuming that trucks were entering the plant under shared Russian/Ukrainian control (I wonder what happens to operations and electricity...) could be military, it is clear that "world" (as represented by shameless idiots like Borrell) is spouting lies without a tiniest attempt of checking. Given that this is the standard operating procedure of "the world" operating under "rule based order", these are sad times.

It used to be that lies spread by "civilized and responsible government" were pre-screened for plausibility. For example, Iraqi weapons of mass destruction before US and allies spend months on futile attempts to find them (although they kept a theory, now forgotten, that they were transported for hiding in Syria). Although mobile bioweapon labs in truck trailer signaled utter shamelessness of these days. But disproving was not instantaneous...

If fact, brazen lies got weaponized to uncover doubters who can be persecuted, thus instilling fear among "professional journalists". Who will do "fact checking" if it can imperil your job and make your adorable wife and kids homeless as you will not be able to pay mortgage. Optimists think it is an epidemic of laziness... in fact, any institution has some hyperactive people who would work diligently unless prohibited to do so.

Take Uighur genocide. Mere fact if employing Uyghurs became a sanctionable crime, training for industrial jobs is cultural genocide -- Uighur should stay barely literate like their ancestors to keep their culture, decline in birth rates, very much in line with what happened in Bangladesh in the same time line and for the same reason (industrialization) a proof of actual genocide etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 5:26 utc | 113

Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 5:26 utc | 113

Why talk to trolls? He has mental problems

Posted by: rk | Aug 8 2022 5:39 utc | 114

Maybe Amnesty International should declare the Zaporizhzhya NPP a prisoner of conscience and bring international attention to bear on whoever has captured it.

SEE ALSO
anti-spiegel.ru

German "quality media" cover Kiev's attacks on nuclear power plants

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 8 2022 7:51 utc | 115

Antisemitism, you say? That's your word, not mine. His parents had a country, because the USSR allowed that, otherwise, which Jew actually calls the country s/he lives as his/her own? Zelensky is playing being an Ukrainian, which he is not!

Posted by: rp | Aug 7 2022 20:56 utc | 77

Millions of Jews claim many countries as their own, as well as Christians and Muslims.
WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: RB | Aug 8 2022 7:59 utc | 116

Millions of Jews claim many countries as their own, as well as Christians and Muslims.
WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: RB | Aug 8 2022 7:59 utc | 116
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Sure, they claim...but, they also claim Aliyah...the last harbour, if/when push comes to shove. Where would Zelly move, when that happens? No extradition is Aliyah...

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 9:53 utc | 117

Jesus Christ, now CBS News walk back on that critical documentary they aired on Ukraine the other day!
https://telegram.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/8232

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 8 2022 10:24 utc | 118

Antisemitism, you say? That's your word, not mine. His parents had a country, because the USSR allowed that, otherwise, which Jew actually calls the country s/he lives as his/her own? Zelensky is playing being an Ukrainian, which he is not!

Posted by: rp | Aug 7 2022 20:56 utc | 77

Millions of Jews claim many countries as their own, as well as Christians and Muslims.
WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: RB | Aug 8 2022 7:59 utc | 116

When interrogated by the FBI, Jewish spy Jonathan Pollard said that it was the government's fault to trust Jews, since a Jew's allegiance is strongest to his tribe, not the host country. Pollard sold out his country to Israel. (who, in turn sold the secrets to the USSR)
Should Ukrainians trust Jew Zelensky? I think it is a fair question.

Posted by: Stones50 | Aug 8 2022 11:38 utc | 119

@Piotr Berman, thanks for the reply. Of course, the US case for WMDs in Iraq was bogus, but it seems almost nihilistic to argue that because a dishonest interpretation of satellite imagery was put forward once, we should ignore any visual evidence going forward. The problem with Powell's presentation to the UN is that it didn't *directly* show what he was trying to prove: he showed photos of cargo trucks and then displayed a cutout illustration of the mobile lab components that were supposedly inside them, with no evidence to back up his key claim.

This is a pretty good thread summarizing Russian activities at the NPP and damage/strikes in the past month:
https://twitter.com/wammezz/status/1556605121664106496

I was watching this stream live when Russia captured the plant in March, there's lots of reckless firing from Russian IFVs of which 03:11:00 is a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8

I think Russia has been extremely careless with the NPP, it's unlikely that Russia has recently shelled it, claims of damage in the past week are likely exaggerated, and Ukraine should avoid attacks near the plant regardless of what the Russians are doing there, even with precision/loitering munitions which can be jammed and end up going god knows where.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 12:41 utc | 120

but it seems almost nihilistic to argue that because a dishonest interpretation of satellite imagery was put forward once, we should ignore any visual evidence going forward.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 12:41 utc | 120

it seems blatantly dishonest to claim that there was only one dishonest interpretation of satellite imagery. but that is how bellingcat operates.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 8 2022 12:57 utc | 121

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 8 2022 12:41 utc | 120

You think how your masters want..in every post you work hard to elaborate something that put Russia in a bad light..this story of the NPP is the last attempt of the former ukraine to get attention..get over it,here MSM crap doesn't work.

Posted by: LuBa | Aug 8 2022 13:44 utc | 122

The US has been euphemistically bragging for decades that their spy satellites could "read a license plate from space". And yet the "launcher, mobile chem lab" images Powell showed to the UN were fuzzier then the "live" TV video of the moon landings. It worked in a 4:3, pre-HD world, but the public is accustomed to 1080p or better images from their phones.

New software tech can even sharpen the image quality from older satellite platforms. Of course, the resolution of images put before the public is degraded to hide just how much can be seen. Neither side is going to rashly display their best spy-finery so us plebs "know" what's going on in full.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 14:04 utc | 123

For the armchair generals.

Ukrainian tactics and strategy before 24 feb
nice map in southfront
what is B and yours opinion?

The successful actions of the AFU contributed to Belarus’ refusal to openly join the war on Russia’s side.

Also, the success of the AFU made it possible to repel the pressure of Russian forces in the Odessa direction. Although Snake Island was under the control of Russian troops, the landing in Odessa did not succeed. This was largely due to the quick action of mines on the coast.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have been quite effective in the southwest of Kyiv. In the vicinity of the towns of Fastov and Vasylkiv, the defense was quite competently organized. Military units were withdrawn fairly quickly from under missile attacks. This made it possible to save manpower and conduct defensive operations against the Russian Armed Forces stationed in the vicinity of Kiev. These steps subsequently led to the partial unblocking of the Ukrainian capital.

At the same time, the AFU also made quite a serious miscalculation, underestimating the Crimean grouping of the Russian Armed Forces and the nature of its actions. This was the reason for the rapid seizure of the Kherson region. In addition, troops advancing towards the territory of the DNR hit the southern positions of the Donetsk grouping of the AFU. This contributed to the rapid advance of the Russian Armed Forces and the encirclement of Mariupol.

Posted by: gary | Aug 8 2022 15:03 utc | 124

Deep in the weeds article on Kiev's Tank brigades (pro-Kiev source). Interesting data point for those of us trying to keep a updated OOB for Kiev. I do not agree 100% with the article, but its still a interesting data point

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/08/05/it-seems-ukraine-is-struggling-to-form-tank-brigades/?sh=1b03407e669a

Posted by: Exile | Aug 8 2022 15:17 utc | 125

Yenwoda @ 120
I understood that the Russian have some anti missile defense systems to counter a missile attack or surveillance/attack drones on or near the plant and they have been used in times past. The satellite photos do a poor job of proving some type of large military buildup or storage of munitions at the plant.

It would be foolish not to have a military presence at the plant. Are they using the grounds for artillery duels? Doubtful but provable given modern technology. We should all fear an accident. A war around nuke plants leaves room for doubt.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 8 2022 15:43 utc | 126

Zelensky just gave a speach about the plant and said "nobody can control the wind" sounded like he is threatening Russia with nuclear war.
This is getting way out of hand.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 8 2022 16:10 utc | 127

from https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

Slavyangrad
Forwarded from
TheNebulator
Calls by Kiev and the West for a "demilitarized zone" around Zaporozhye (not "Zaporzhizhiya" or what have you) nuclear power plant are a trap. It is clear as day that the Ukrainian forces are deliberately bombarding it and endangering its safety. Moscow has even named the specific unit doing so, and its location: the 44th Artillery Brigade, near the town of Marganets, on the other side of the lake.

Kiev claims that the Russians are deliberately shelling themselves while using the NPP as a shield...or something. It's nonsense. The plant has been operating just fine since February. If Russia wanted to cut power to Ukraine, all it had to do is flip a switch.

Well maybe it should. If the only way for the Zaporozhye NPP to be safe from Ukrainian shelling is to bring it offline, so be it. Because it's not like anyone can expect Kiev to be reasonable at this point.

As for the DMZ... I've seen this ploy before, in Bosnia. The Sarajevo regime (in a precursor to Kiev's strategy) would lose on the battlefield, but make a huge stink in the Western media, so the Bosnian Serbs (being naive and stupid) would agree to set up a DMZ or a humanitarian corridor. They would inevitably be used as staging areas for the Bosnian Muslim military, with the UN peacekeepers and the Western media looking the other way. Every time. I have firsthand knowledge of this, but there's also an official CIA account of the war in Bosnia showing it.

In case you keep wondering how I keep calling these things: I've seen them before. They're working off the same script.

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 17:29 utc | 128

=> Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 17:29 utc | 128

The Ukrainian shelling of the giant Zaporozhye nuclear power plant most likely reflects the desperation of the Kiev 'regime', which at this point doesn't know how to extort more support from the Western democratic dictatorships.

This ploy could literally destroy most of Europe. If is continues, Russia will likely take some extreme action. Perhaps it will suddenly seize the whole of Kiev.

Posted by: RKJoyce - Prophet | Aug 8 2022 17:55 utc | 129

Wind maps of Ukraine show prevailing winds blowing from the north. In case of an accident at the NPP, Crimea would be in the direct path of any fallout.

https://meteologix.com/ua/model-charts/french/wind-mean-direction.html

Posted by: nazcalito | Aug 8 2022 19:37 utc | 130

james | Aug 8 2022 17:29 utc | 128

Taking the npp offline won't make it much safer, there is nuclear fuel there. And it'll probably hurt the regions already liberated, where are they going to get power from?
These attacks will repeat on all npps in Ukr as soon as their regions are liberated. That's how terrorist work.
Nato seems to go for bigger targets now that they're losing the whole country not only Donbass. Will gladly destroy everything in revenge

Posted by: rk | Aug 8 2022 20:15 utc | 131

Volodymyr poked the bear through his cage
Bringing most of the west to the stage
Now the Donbas is lost
At such a high cost
He hurls bombs at a nuke in his rage

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 8 2022 21:07 utc | 132

Scott Ritter is on fire explaining the Russia-Ukraine conflict and about the up coming US-China war (4 days ago at the Ron Paul institute)!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U_SGvsjK9sU

Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 8 2022 22:25 utc | 133

@pretzelattack | Aug 8 2022 12:57 utc | 121
Dishonest and Yenwoda is a pleonasm.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 8 2022 22:30 utc | 134

Maybe Biden payed them off from creating a nuke incident? maybe....
US to provide additional $4.5 billion to keep Ukrainian government operating
Nothing like a good old shakedown operation.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 8 2022 22:48 utc | 135

@ rk | Aug 8 2022 20:15 utc | 131

i agree with you on all accounts.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 23:01 utc | 136

The maximum spent of the Afghan war in a year was $15.3b and that was with thousands of US soldiers on the ground. The sheer scale of the theft going on is mindblowing.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 8 2022 23:39 utc | 137

Just to mention: I have some problems when b, and not only him, are expressing doubts about the accuracy of the Russian MoD's "clobber list".

Of course it is wise not to trust either side of the conflict. But when browsing that list against reports from the field, includint ukrainian and western ones, and of course those of the own forces, I found those reports rather reluctant and conservative, even compared with the reports of the own units on the ground.

An example from today: Konashenko's report

In total, 263 Ukrainian airplanes and 145 helicopters, 1,708 unmanned aerial vehicles, 363 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,269 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 791 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,276 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4,774 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

The day before's summary reports 789 MLRS destroyed, so 2 more.

Earlier, we read (reports from the front):

💥During counter-battery warfare, 1 battery of Uragan multiple-launch rocket systems near Ochertino, 1 battery of Acatsia self-propelled artillery systems near Krasnoye, and combat vehicles of American HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems near Kramotorsk have been hit.

💥3 platoons of Grad MLRS near Kodema, Mayaki and Adamovka, 4 artillery platoons of Msta-B guns, and 2 platoons of Giatsint-B guns at firing positions near Soledar, Artemovsk, Veseloye, Dzerzhinsk, Maksimil'yanovka and Antonovka in Donetsk People's Republic have been suppressed.

So, to summarize, Russian MoD reported 1 Uragan MLRS destroyed, and also a non specified >1 number of HIMARS, which may mean launcher(s) plus loading/restocking vehicles, so 2 additional MLRS would fit.

But what means "suppressed" for "3 platoons of Grad MLRS"? A platoon consists of 1 or more (up to 3) batteries, and a battery consists of at most 3 (HIMARS) or at most 4 or 3 (Grad, Uragan) MLRS units. So when speaking of 3 Grad platoons it means that 3 to 12 Grad launchers came under fire, independently of hte ones reported destroyed.

What does "suppressed" mean? In an artillery "duel" fire exchange, either unit targets the identified opposite positions until the opponents stop firing and retreats. That is the meaning of "suppression". It does not necessarily mean destruction, but certainly does not outrule it. When whole "platoons", be it one or more batteries, are forced to retreat, it absolutely certainly means that they have suffered losses, of staff, DC, guns, vehicles.

But MoD report does not reflect it. The "clobber list" relies on "objective control and confirmation" only. And it seems they are sticking to (Russian military can be tiringly bureaucratic) stubbornly. Following the "clobber list" daily I even found that the did backwards corrections, substracting from previous day's gains, obviously when "objective control" prove to be flawed.

Personally, I think therefore that the MoD figures are reliable, ok as reliable as you may expect in wartime. But different to ravings, speculations, and outright rubbish from Western and Ukrainian sources, the MoD clobber list appears trustworthy.

Also, the figures of destroyed aircraft well match the losses confirmed by either side. The tank and armor losses look plausible as well. Pre confilict, UA had about 700 MBT in service, 200 in reserve, and large crapyards with hundreds of retired tanks some able to be refitted. Same with BMP and BTR, only in larger numbers. So over 4000 destroyed are nothing less than credible, same ofc with IFW.

Not to mention attrition. You can drive a tank for 1000km at best, then it needs overhaul, earlier when having crossed heavy terrain, or been in combat. Howitzer barrels need to be changed every couple of some 100 rounds fired, maybe bit above, but certainly not 1000. After that the gun has to go to the workshop. In UA, a workshop under constant calibre or iskander threat, servicing a zoo of Caesar, M777, Canadian, Scandinavian, and vanilla Soviet guns. Nice job.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 8 2022 23:59 utc | 138

Comment by George | August 07, 2022 at 23:57

Blinken patronizing tour of three (3) "model democracy" African nations UPDATE!
opening Remarks at the Opening of the U.S.-South African Strategic Dialogue
PANDOR: Long time no see.
BLINKEN: Floods in Durban and in Kentucky.
BlinkenVital Partners, Shared Priorities monologue
re-branded EU "Global Gateway" $600B pledge
Secretary Antony J. Blinken and South African Minister of International Relations and Cooperation Naledi Pandor at a Joint Press Availability: Q&A
"repercussions of Russia’s war in Ukraine"

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 9 2022 0:09 utc | 139

PS.
White House, FACT SHEET: U.S. STRATEGY TOWARD SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA bottom line, literally.

Pursuing public-private partnerships to sustainably develop and secure the critical minerals that will supply clean energy technologies

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 9 2022 0:13 utc | 140

@aquadraht, even patriotic people living in Russia don't believe the "clobber list" unless they are unusually gullible. It is, like the Ukrainian version, a fantasy. I suggest you grow up and put aside childish things, and thinking.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 0:34 utc | 141

@Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 0:34 utc | 141
We all know that you are a liar and a troll. And you know nothing about people living in Russia, as you do not understand the language, or know anything about the country. Stick to Bellingcrap

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 9 2022 0:49 utc | 142

@ Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 0:34 utc | 141

you've really outdone yourself in this post... i thought the fabrications were standard, but you excel in this post, lol...

probably still not good enough to work for bellingcrap, but maybe i am wrong.. they do appear to support really sub par work...

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2022 0:52 utc | 143

Sorry @aquadraht, I shouldn't have tried to dispel the magic of childhood for you. The clobber list is real, Rybar has a well placed source leaking the true casualties, Russia is doing a lively trade in black market CAESARs and HIMARS and Santa Claus will be coming down the chimney in December, just like he always does <3

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 1:16 utc | 144

aquadraht | Aug 8 2022 23:59 utc | 138
Thanks for your post.
From Day 1 “everyone” just “of course the Russians are lying”… and 6 months in, there may be some inaccuracies, but no provable intent to lie.
Ghost of Kiev?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 9 2022 1:27 utc | 145

@18 circumspect
The average US citizen is completely disengaged.


You could say that, but I would say that the average American is completely disenfranchised.

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 9 2022 1:52 utc | 146

Racist, greedy Zelensky want to ban russians now...

Zelensky urges West to ban entry for all Russians
Russians should "live in their own world until they change their philosophy", Ukrainian President said
https://tass.com/world/1491129

Just another proof of the racist and ultimately genocidal plan.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 9 2022 6:18 utc | 147

Zakharova never dissapoints

https://t.me/sputnik/10399

Zakharova commented on the message about Zelensky's late-night conversation with Bill Clinton.

She recalled that a year ago, the American cable and satellite television network C-SPAN called Zelensky "President Lewinsky."

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2022 7:41 utc | 148

The deep state is about done playing with Zelensky.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZhqMxZaAAAIhNg.jpg

Posted by: too scents | Aug 9 2022 7:50 utc | 149

AGM-88 HARM missile. within hours of RF releasing pictures of a downed missile, usa defense secretary responded that usa had sent them for ukraine to use. funny thing is only usa /NATO aircraft can use them. they are integrated into battle sysytems and have a weapons rack only these planes can carry and use to fire. so very interesting usa got caught out so had to double down and a bigger lie. there was no mention of these in any list of supplied weapons . further proof perhaps of direct usa nato involvement. but we all know this .
heres msm take on it
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/anti-radar-missiles-ukraine-russia-pentagon/index.html

Posted by: hankster | Aug 9 2022 10:25 utc | 150


The recent War revelations are being walked back one by one the latest being CBS and the report only 30% of the arms sent to UA make it to the front. That must be the marker of truth. Just think
70% siphoned off before the Russians get the chance to destroy it.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 9 2022 12:45 utc | 151

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the explosions in the Crimea:

"On August 9, at about 15.20, several aviation ammunition detonated on the territory of the Saki airfield near the settlement of Novofedorovka on a collapsed storage site."

"Please stop spreading Ukrainian fakes. We rely only on official information. No emergency situation regime has been imposed," Oleg Kryuchkov, an adviser to Crimea’s head

Posted by: rk | Aug 9 2022 13:55 utc | 152

@enwoda | Aug 9 2022 1:16 utc | 144
The hysterical reaction shows that I have hit a nerve. Normally "Yenwoda" only trolls with Bellingcrap and similar "reliable databases". That he enters an argument proves how much the UA losses and their documentation annoy him.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 10 2022 0:09 utc | 153

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Posted by: 22 bet | Aug 10 2022 12:24 utc | 154

Just think
70% siphoned off before the Russians get the chance to destroy it.
SwissArmyMan | Aug 9 2022 12:45 utc | 151

US/perfidious albion anglosphere have thrived on corruption in their game of divide and conquer. That corruption is not working so well now. Ukraine mafia comedian in the the highest paid gig for any comedian ever..... but still anglostan is losing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:37 utc | 155

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