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August 04, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-122

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 22:13 utc | 106

Smashing your way through prepared defences, even with much of the opposing artillery support removed, is an expensive proposition. Surrounding them is a much better one militarily. Perhaps Russia is playing the long game, waiting for a deep depression to hit the West (The Bank of England now forecasting a drop in GDP and 13% inflation by next year), Europeans wearing layers to bed during the winter, and nice frozen ground on the steppe east of the Dnieper before moving to deep tank thrusts.

We will see, in the meantime the Ukies are hitting Donetsk with whatever they can whilst they can.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 4 2022 22:56 utc | 101

PavewayIV @ 48
And this...
Search-- Oakland Institute

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 4 2022 21:00 utc | 92

At the search link provided by circumspect (at least) one of the articles goes over the history of 'land reform' in the Ukraine since 1990. It appears to me that all this land grab business is completely worthless without access to Odessa and/or the other Black Sea ports. Fear of losing Odessa may be one reason, perhaps the primary one, that the US still appears to be pushing Ukraine to fight on.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 23:13 utc | 102

So I wake up this morning to this headline:
"The elusive HIMARS raptor, seen here stalking its prey in rare daylight footage"

How's this for RF winning bigly ?

Could this be a lewd "In your face, Pootie" by the Ukies ?

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Aug 4 2022 23:22 utc | 103

Roger | Aug 4 2022 22:56 utc | 121

That is something that has puzzled me for a long time as to why they are mostly attacking that fortified line frontally rather than curling around both ends putting them under three sided attack and eating up the line from each end.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 23:26 utc | 104

"... (The Bank of England now forecasting a drop in GDP and 13% inflation by next year), Europeans wearing layers to bed during the winter, and nice frozen ground on the steppe east of the Dnieper before moving to deep tank thrusts..." Roger@121

And the Federal Reserve in the US is calling for more unemployment. Both Tory leadership candidates in the UK are calling for higher interest rates and across the board cuts in living standards.
Deep cuts too. And all this at a time when the 'Stand by Ukraine' nonsense is wearing desperately thin.
It won't just be cold this coming winter, the streets will be full of unemployed people, homeless people too, as mortgages are defaulted on and rents pass unpaid.
Inflation has been caused by self induced supply chain disruptions and sanction rooted price increases, in addition to profit taking by monopolies which could not resist the multi-billion dollar temptations.
And now the Central Banks and the politicians they employ, are pretending that the solution to inflation lies in attacks on the still almost non-existent working class fight for higher wages.
The capitalists are putting all their trust in narrative control, confident that they can neutralise any reaction to their aggression by banning the truth from all media.
That is the same narrative control they relied on to bring about regime change in Russia and conquest of the Donbas. In the end they are going to discover that they have just been talking to themselves: Zelensky trusts Stoltenberg, whose every word is treasured by von der Leyen, whom Macron regards as an oracle and Draghi admires enormously, which coincides with Lutte's thoughts and BoJo's too. And they are all in awe of Joe Biden...
Meanwhile , in the real world, some of those billions going to Ukraine might come in useful to pay the fuel bills or buy groceries for millions of people who can no longer make 'ends meet' or borrow. And are sick and tired of Ukraine.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 23:28 utc | 105

Here is more of the sordid story regarding the IMF loans and GMO crops in the Ukraine. If Russia doesn't capture the bulk of the prime agricultural land (plus the sea ports) what is being planned and in progress would threaten Russian agriculture because of proximity I would think.

As with the off-shore energy potential and fracking projects, I think this is one of three main objectives the US had: A military beachhead on Russia's border; control of the agricultural land and its production; disrupting/replacing Russia's energy trade with Europe.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 23:32 utc | 106

I, too, am very interested in a response to this query, as what I'm hearing in mainstream media is hard to believe:

Question to MoA posters:

What is the situation at Zaporhizhzia? Is Rosatom running operations of the nuclear reactors/power plant? Can you provide a source for such information?

The same questions apply for Chernobyl; who is in charge, is the plant operating, who is running operations at the reactors/plant?

The BBC states IAEA says Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant out of control

thanks in advance.

Posted by: Steven Starr

Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 107

Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 142

The world will have to get back to you on this as right now there are countries with nuclear weapons that are running around out of control...

Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 0:13 utc | 108

@karlof1 | Aug 4 2022 23:25 utc | 130

The depravity of these people is hard to comprehend.

Southfront has an article up quoting Zelensky advisor Alexey Arestovich:

” Those in power in Ukraine despise the people. I assure you. Despise. They do not think of them as human. And have every reason to do so. Except for one thing, that they (Ukrainians) are people after all. The Ukrainian people, activists, the public, all these businessmen and all these patriots and so on. They are stupid, impotent, brainless, emotional, controlled, poor in spirit, but still people. All. Normal people who understand what is happening can be counted on the fingers of two hands. (Including me). The rest are a misfortune, uneducated, stupid, without experience of civilian life. Thank God that these people have no power. If the people come to power, I will run away from this country. Do you understand?”

This view is shared across the ruling class in the West imo - not specific to Ukraine, but to the general public in the west as well.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 109

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 144

A question for them would be: And what did you do to educate your people? (instead of being part of the grand robbery scheme; same as what happened with Russia until it decided that in order to be a country it had to have engaged citizens [instead of slaves for exploitation])

Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 0:25 utc | 110

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 23:01 utc | 123

its more efficient. U break through Ukro lines much easier and reduce own casualties.

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 5 2022 0:29 utc | 111

Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 142
“…what I'm hearing in mainstream media is hard to believe:
Well. That should, by now, be your (&everyone’s) default position on everything in msm.
But the Zaporhizhzia/BBC bs, especially so.
The situation with Rosatom and the NPP was covered in a thread here in the past few days.
Have a search here, (MoA) I’ll look also, but later today…
Basically, the plant is in safe operational hands, but it’s yet another point of attack politically.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:32 utc | 112

Perhaps we should all move our corona/monkey pox comments to the open thread.

Agree, enough creative fiction.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Aug 5 2022 0:35 utc | 113

the pessimist @ 144
Those in power in Ukraine despise the people. I assure you. Despise. They do not think of them as human.

That is one of the planks of the Anglo American NATO death cult religion, the Kabbalah. Its occult offshoots are many and powerful. One of them is Skull and Bones.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 5 2022 0:43 utc | 114

Zaporhizhzia NPP
Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 142
THIS current thread has (excellent) input from
PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 20:28 utc | 87
Also see his post:
PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 228
from https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-sitrep-on-the-ground-report-ukrainian-frontline-collapses.html#more

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:46 utc | 115

Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 0:36 utc | 151
…Thanks all for the feed back and links.|
Peter, what you’re building at your site is incredibly valuable.


Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:50 utc | 116

@Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 4 2022 22:58 utc | 122

The TOS-1 does the equivalent of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXYqpM6W_Xs

Posted by: Roger | Aug 5 2022 0:51 utc | 117

Posted by: Roger | Aug 5 2022 0:51 utc | 156

But, Roger, we don't know WHY Chessmaster thinks barrel bombs of napalm would be the bees knees. I think we need to hear from him/her what the goal is. BTW - TOS-1s is extremely effective in wiping out entrenched troops; far more accurate than dropped barrels.

Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 1:02 utc | 118

PeterAU1, peter your work on your vk is an important archive, thank you. karlof1, thank you for your links, observations & tying so much of what is happening currently into a chapter easily understood, preparing us to meet tomorrow's new barrage. i agree with both of your assessments regarding china's patient methodical response to the mummy. i am wondering if she mayn't've sent as a feint. as you know i live in victoria canada. i never watch our news, for obvious reasons, however flipping through to tape something i chanced upon our defence minister, clearly a ninny, neary a word about canada's peace keeping past bt proudly declaring that canada had been training troops for ukraine for all these years since 2014 & going on to announce that canada is proudly stepping up to train 30,000 more! this on a day when most sane, even the most insane safari hunting nazi ought to know to stay well away from the ukraine. my take is that nato is very very worried about the biolabs & russia's upcoming war trials. & that we may indeed for the great onslaught by nato, still agreed, under the guise of advisors bt with a heavy influx of weapons. possibly that's why ukraine is withdrawing from donbass & why russia is preparing for the next wave.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Aug 5 2022 4:37 utc | 119

@Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 11:19 utc | 13
«Bypassing EU censorship
I can now access both RT and RIA Novosti from Finland. The censorship was simply a bogus DNS server operated by my ISP. It can be bypassed by using a standards-compliant DNS server outside the EU. I use the Cloudflare server at IP address 1.1.1.1
On Google Chrome go to this pseudo-URL:
chrome://settings/security
(Copy the line above and paste it to your address bar.)»

Or you can use a decent browser, like Opera, and just click the VPN icon. Then you can bypass all censorship based on IP location and read news Ukrainian war from trustworthy places outside Western's mass disinformation media.

As for Ukraine, I find it funny that the "counter-offensive" is announced everyday and always with different dates. In a war, if you want to do a counter-offensive, you don't announce it. You try to use the surprise factor as much as you can. This factor was the key of relative success of D-day in 1944.

It's also funny to see pro-UkranaZis/pro-NATO trying to cope with the defeat and saying that Russian advances (Peski, Soledar, etc) are "just because Ukraine's forces are being re-located". Yeah, right. Because they weren't losing territory before that "re-location"...

In the MainStreamMedia of mass desinformation, today was Amnesty International (AI) day. From honest coping to blatant manipulation, I saw everything in Portuguese/European media. But the record goes to Euronews: ZERO talk about this AI report. Instead, they spent the day talking about Yelenivka's "Russian war crimes to hide proof of torture against Azov heroes of resistance" the whole day. Only the Ukraine's dictatorship and USA's Pentagon point of views. In just a few months, I saw Euronews go from a decent news media, to a pro-western propaganda media, and now a complete FakeNews media. For me, EUronews is as good as dead.

I've also heard from TheGrayZone that Alina Lipp can no longer return to Germany, or she will face 3 years in prison. Her crime? Saying the truth about what's happening in Donbass.

And from Sweden, that regime that loves Turkish dictatprship and loves to violate Kurdish Human Rights and call "terrorist" to the ones fighting against ISIS, comes another news of the death of European democracy and freedom: the guys that went to Kherson's liberated area and filmed happy Ukrainians receiving their Russian passport, had to apologize to the Swedish audiences. It seems they can't handle the truth.

Talking about terrorism, I'm happy to see a minimum of good common sense by many countries not even accepting to discuss the "terrorist" status to Russia, proposed by lunatics in Washington/Kiev. And I'm happy and proud of the Russians to call things by their true name, and finally classifying the Azov regiment (Nazis) as a terrorist organization.

Finally, I want to ask 'b' or other military experts what happened to the Siversk offensive? The Russians got in so fast, then retreated. Then they focused on Uglegorsk TPP. Is this a sign of fierce Ukrainian defenses? A sign of Russian "dribble" tactics (pretend to go this way, to then go the other way). Or a combination of both, and then focusing on the place where they identify the best spot to attack the defensive line (like they did in Popasnaya)?

Also, another question: where is the Military Summary guy accessing that map (not the Russian nor the Ukrainian ones, nor the Defense Politics Aaasia one) with the NATO style icons for each battalion/division and even some icons of the militant/nationalist groups? NATO style is blue rectangles for allies, and red rhombus/square for enemies, like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6f/30/d6/6f30d6bd062b1a513086d0b241ea80db--symbols-military.jpg

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 4:39 utc | 120

Martin Jay at strategic culture calls a spade a funeral device.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/08/04/the-first-cracks-in-the-biden-zelensky-relationship-appear-but-why-now/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:27 utc | 121

On the IAEA and its current Karen performance re Uke reactors.

It is as believable as it's last report on the reactors in occupied Palestine. This clapped out IAEA is like an old hooker with client envy syndrome.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:35 utc | 122

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73

"I've come to figure that Russia is going to take the entire coast. Odessa was always a target (score to settle).

Russia cannot allow the West to have a presence in the Black Sea".

Romania and Bulgaria, both NATO members, have Black Sea coastlines.

Posted by: OhOh | Aug 5 2022 5:58 utc | 123

uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:35 utc | 166

Every UN peripheral is completely corrupted. No doubt the empire of lies will attemt to rewrite the UN charter in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 6:04 utc | 124

Posted by: OhOh | Aug 5 2022 5:58 utc | 152
Romania and Bulgaria, both NATO members, have Black Sea coastlines.

Only Ukr had useful coastlines for nato, that is exactly why UK was building multiple bases there. They were destroyed in the first day if I remember correctly.

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 6:45 utc | 125

Posted by: JB | Aug 4 2022 19:53 utc | 80

Interesting. Well, sort of?
A "Business Administration Graduate"/funds management(M-CAM)/financial funds management specialist

Resume (Business Administration) from Goshen College

Master's Degree in Information and Communication Science Ball State University.

Ph.D. The University of Virginia. Batten Fellow at the University of Virginia's Darden Graduate School of Business Administration.

One could say not an expert in the research of virus/covid/gene editing either. Just a self-educated layperson.

On money management, he may be knowledgeable. On science/technology/virus information. That is not within his specialized field of moving money around the world.

That which sounds too good to be true usually is!

When being fed 2% percent of the actual information. One needs to look into the background of the one who supplies the information.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 7:55 utc | 126

@all

- just nuked dozens of virus conspiracy comments from this thread.
- The were a. not relevant to Ukraine and b. off on every reasonable scientific matter.

Please take your conspiracy nonsense to other websites. I am NOT willing to condone them here.

As for a land garb in Ukraine. The data on that is weak. There is one allegedly Australian website that made some off-the-charts claims that three western companies own 1/3 of Ukraine. THE WEBSITE GAVE NO SOURCES FOR THAT CLAIM.

This site, MoA, is often posting on false media claims. Yet people reading it still fall for them all the time. Grow up. Learn how to read. Find real sources. Then discuss.

Posted by: b | Aug 5 2022 7:56 utc | 127

Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 17:57 utc | 51

Agreed, and the Moldovan president does seem to be another dirty globalist schemer so there could be trouble for Moldovans if she sells them to Romania in exchange for a retirement bonus.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 8:04 utc | 128

Paveway IV @ 76
How about Russia keeps the land in lieu of all its assets that have been confiscated (& sold off?) by the US/NATO types.
Surely a piece of land the size of Italy is worth just $300bn!

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Aug 5 2022 8:09 utc | 129

Only US tells the truth and nothing but the truth.

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 5 2022 0:38 utc | 114

Nice sarcasm.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 8:12 utc | 130

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 116

Great posts and great views on the significance of Odessa in whatever comes next.

Shocking quote attributed to Arestovich, it certainly sound like him and, either way, I guarantee it’s close to his and his patrons’ honest opinion of the less well off.

You can see the truth of it in their actions, everywhere neoliberalism holds sway.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 8:12 utc | 131

The difference between what Zelensky wants to do near Kherson/Odessa and the observable situation in the areas already fighting Uke/Russia, is so great I wonder exactly what is being given to him as information?

What I mean is that, it is known some Officiers of the Ukrainian army, take documents (identity and pay) from "soon to be cannon fodder" and then continue to cash them in regularly. Are these "ghosts" reflected in the number that are reported to Zele'nsick as still alive and under "his" command?

Of the 191'000 casualties, Killed, captured or desertions, mentioned in the leaked report by MILLER | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 63, - does Zelen assume that they are all still valid soldiers? Who, once added to the added to the "regulars", are a force that he thinks is still capable of "shock and awe".
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Or is it that the simpler answer, that Zelen has flipped due to coke intake beyond his control, now dictates Ukrainian policy?

Note that the officiers, whose families have probably been sent to safety in the EU, seem not to participate much in the fighting either. So as they can be making well filled nest eggs for their retirement Pension plans, and this depends on Zelensky keeping the fog of war swirling around bureaucratic rectitude, they are not going to "rise up" and throw him out as long as he continues to supply the jam on the sandwich.
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As an added money mine for corporations and Politicians from Ukraine, the total now "needed" and demanded for "rebuilding back better" (a second hand slogan) is at least $750 billion.
Since the totals are now going beyond my comprehension this morning, they must also include the "humanitarian" cost of all those Ukie refugees and their health and prospective accommodation, the cost the new arms bought but not yet paid for, the replacement of loaned or donated arms, the repayment of loans from the IMF and other "benefactors".
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I would have added things about the EU and US Pol castes, who have the morale rectitude of second suck marshmallows, are also profiteering. But, this will have to wait till later.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 8:22 utc | 132

dunno about the lesbian angle, but female black people get prosecuted and harassed and even killed by cops more often than white females, by race.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 22:03 utc | 87

Michigan dude don't get a say about anything here.

Poor thing is brainless, remember?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 5 2022 8:30 utc | 133

Please take your conspiracy nonsense to other websites. I am NOT willing to condone them here.

Posted by: b | Aug 5 2022 7:56 utc | 127

Thanks for that, b, and for your hard work. Never had the chance to tell you. I read you for years now and appreciate your views and your objectivity. Even if I dare to comment only since recently. I just became more confident with my English... thanks to Deepl.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 5 2022 8:46 utc | 134

anti-spiegel.ru

has some interesting news on Ukraine and other matters.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 8:58 utc | 135

If Russia wins in the Ukraine, the EU/NATO/US loses. It will also bring down the dollar, pound and euro. So, are you ready for the defeat of EU/NATO/US and the consequences?

Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 8:59 utc | 136

Graham Phillips

Posted by: Thor | Aug 4 2022 19:38 utc | 70

Interesting and tragic. The man quotes the "Magna Carta". As a basic UK peon's right.

Sadly, UK history tells us from 1829 to 1969 the actual "Magna Carta" was rescinded in dribs and drabs. The man who finally killed the last remaining skeleton clauses of the Magna Carta left. Was under the watch of a labor leader(people's party). A PM called Harold MacMillan.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 9:03 utc | 137

rp #139

You can bet your nuts on it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 9:03 utc | 138

Grieved, b walks the razors edge. I have kicked off a thread in VK messenger here.
https://vk.com/im?sel=c5

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 9:28 utc | 139

You can bet your nuts on it.

#uncle tungsten @ 138

The thing is, if you are living in the EU/NATO/US, your currency would fail/fall, hence the prices of essential goods and services would rise sharply. The communal services will skyrocket. Can you, will you stand that?

Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 9:40 utc | 140

If Russia wins in the Ukraine, the EU/NATO/US loses. It will also bring down the dollar, pound and euro. So, are you ready for the defeat of EU/NATO/US and the consequences?

Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 8:59 utc | 136

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Could you explain the mechanism how Ukraine war results in collapse of these currency zones? WEF actions are currently collapsing them IMO through self caused supply problems across the board. Lack of gas will result in lack of manufacturing across the board, creating more shortages.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 5 2022 9:47 utc | 141

Missing pieces?

· Russia has been and is performing a geopolitical balancing act taking into account the reactions to its actions. It has shaped everything. It's why they're "slow". But as Roger points out it has an optimum or limit and that might be now. That is a demanding challenge and means that the danger is not over and might be higher than ever.

· There is a clear (but not exclusive) US/NATO focus on southernmost coastal Ukraine. First it was Crimea, then Snake Island, and now it is this.

· Does Odessa come before or after changes in the US, ie. will it be cause or effect? Impossible to say in advance?

· Has "slow" been "too fast"? Is there any margin left between the two?

· The Russians leave geopolitical openings on purpose but the enemy blocks their own escape! A defeat for Sun Tsu (not Joe). It is absurd and complicates everything.

I believe any answers lie within the combined details of all the above. (But I have no idea what they are. Impossible to keep up).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 5 2022 10:29 utc | 142

So AI have just discovered that the Ukrainian "elites" are a bunch of fascist ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis.

The people of the Donbass have known this for 9 years it has something to do with racial cleansing (lustration through death) and forced eviction from their homes, And now the Ukrainian criminals are peppering the Donbass with miniature anti personnel and pet mines.

What a class act!

Posted by: Rob Garnett | Aug 5 2022 10:33 utc | 143

Peter AU1 #124

Rewriting UN rules just because of Ukraine will be a mammoth task and a long queue.

By the way what is your vk name as I can't find you and link is screwed just now?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 10:37 utc | 144

Bad Deal Motors On at 137- Harold Macmillan was not a Labour Party leader. He was a Conservative Party Prime Minister. You may be confusing him with Harold Wilson who was a Labour Party politician.

Just saying….

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 5 2022 10:39 utc | 145

rp #140

If nato is defeated in Ukraine - or when - that is the westies currency will fall etc. I must stand it as there is very limited alternative. Brown rice and home grown might keep me going.

I can't relocate to China as entry is very difficult and ditto other destinations. If you don't fight, you lose.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 10:45 utc | 146

As predicted - PRC sanctions Pelosi and her family members. Wonder if this includes Newhouse

Posted by: Exile | Aug 5 2022 10:47 utc | 147

People talk about the deindustrialization of Germany due to the EU sanctions on Russia. I wonder what that would mean on the ground. Would it turn them into a sort of western Ukraine? How much of that 60% of GNP that is “services” depends on the 30% that is “industry”? Would they just be back to eating potatoes? There is also the micro to consider. How much damage has been done to Siemens with the turbine fracas? Not Siemens fault - that’s down to the EU nuttiness - but the Duran boys have a point about how sometimes it just becomes too much of a pain to deal with someone. Even if it’s not their fault.

Posted by: George Westinghaus | Aug 5 2022 11:13 utc | 148

Alastair Croock, Agust 5, 2022

The EU Has Begun its Retreat

Does the ECB drill for oil? Does the ECB run a farm? Does the ECB drive a truck? Does the ECB pilot a cargo vessel across the Pacific or load freight at the Port of Los Angeles?

Posted by: António Ferrão | Aug 5 2022 11:29 utc | 149

136, 141

We live in strange times. The defeat of the US in Afghanistan - in running away to the airport - was ignored, like it meant nothing. History buffs might say that a major defeat should bring down a nation politically but that doesn't happen. Instead, the US pivots to China - as if it was Hitler starting a two front war.

Every amendment even hinting at some rationality by guys such as Rand Paul gets shot down overwhelmingly.

I can only say that the Deep State won over Trump and things must continue until the EU, Britain and the US are so debilitated they can't field an army. That will have to be severe because they will sacrifice almost anything or anyone for more war, evidently.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 5 2022 12:07 utc | 150

Peak democracy was peak cold war. Can't have the peasants revolting. Even though the rulers were and are revolting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 10:09 utc | 142

Good point.
When they were two systems you had to have differences of opinion, politics etc.
That doesn't matter anymore it seems.
There's only homogeneous democracy.
And it's beyond criticism.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 5 2022 12:20 utc | 151

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Aug 5 2022 12:40 utc | 176

Yep it is b's bar and a good one. Something like this though I would like to talk/converse with him up front.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 12:49 utc | 152

The entire area of Ukraine is 600,000 sq. km, 170,000 sq. km is 28% of all the land in Ukraine.


Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 60

Ukraine was also ahead of the current with social credit etc so perhaps was about to be set up as the Reset Poster Child.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 5 2022 13:30 utc | 153

Ahead of the current =
Ahead of the curve..

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 5 2022 13:30 utc | 154

@BadDealMotors - Harold Macmillan was a Conservative PM. Maybe you mean Harold Wilson - but what laws are you actually talking about that rescind Magna Carta?

Posted by: Peter | Aug 5 2022 14:03 utc | 155

@all - there was another necessary cleanup of off-topic comments here.

Drunk or not, please stick to the issue.

Posted by: b | Aug 5 2022 14:10 utc | 156

Ukrainian Armed Forces again fired at the territory of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant and damaged power lines that are used to ensure the operation of power units.

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 14:10 utc | 157

They stole all iraq's gold and the largest pre barreled supply of oil in the world, Russia has somewhat stopped them in Syria/Lybia and Iran is getting a foothold in Iraq. The Lybia,Iraq,Iran plan launched after 911 has been screwed by the Russians.
It is not a evil jew plan and "the great reset" is a cover story.
This is a massive trade war that has been going on for a while. Canada frigging kidnapped the Huawie lady a while back. There are dirty wars all over Africa and the middle east trying to oust the Chinese and Russians.
This really might turn into the big one.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 5 2022 14:10 utc | 158

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 12:09 utc | 171

Interesting stuff, especially about the possibility of renewed US-via-UA targeting of RF officers, on the back of the recent US-via-UA POW massacre. Are the Yankee bogans trying to say something? If you have any links or message text, much appreciated if you could post it here for ease of reference.

Related to your points, I think that so far the Axis has only made two major in-field mistakes (I exclude any amount of death or destruction, they don’t care about the lives of others, let alone the property of others):

1. They never intended for RF to capture incriminating documents and samples from the DoD biowarfare laboratories.

2. They never intended for RF to surround and ultimately capture senior westerners and senior Azov Battalion.

Both of these failures are the result of quite elementary and easily avoidable mistakes, especially given the panopticon western surveillance of Ukraine both before and during SMO. Yankees could see RF ground units from space, barrelling towards sensitive locations, and yet .... strange. Perhaps it’s true, you really can’t get the staff =)

It’ll also be interesting to see what comes out an audit of Zaporizhzia NNP, if evidence emerges of a clandestine nuclear weapons program.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 14:16 utc | 159

Just noted this message on Slavyangrad

Ukrainian channels are discussing what might be a leaked data from AFU General Staff:

- The AFU are only 43-48% complete;
- medical workers at the limit of their strength: the seriously wounded are transported to Europe;
- small arms and bulletproof vests are not enough;
- about 191 thousand soldiers were killed and wounded;
- there is not enough hydraulics and liquid nitrogen for M777 howitzers;
- no one cares about the missing - there are no statistics;
- the equipment transferred by the West is running out;
- Western weapons are operated by amateurs, since there are no qualified specialists;
- there is no way to repair weapons on the spot due to the lack of spare parts and specialists - everything is sent to Poland;
– the moral and psychological state of the Ukrainian military is practically at zero: even campaigns of encouragement in social networks and concerts do not help.

Thus, judging by the leaked information, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in their deplorable state will not last long.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 5 2022 14:44 utc | 160

@b #127

As for a land garb in Ukraine. The data on that is weak. There is one allegedly Australian website that made some off-the-charts claims that three western companies own 1/3 of Ukraine. THE WEBSITE GAVE NO SOURCES FOR THAT CLAIM.

(1) The land grab is more than just a "weak case". See Posted by: OttoE | Jun 13 2022 15:07 utc | 43. There are some articles referenced which date back to 2020 and 2013.
(2) "allegedly Australian" - How exactly are we supposed to prove the nationality of a website/organization?
(3) The claim of the 30% was taken from an article on the official BRICS Information portal. OK, allegedly again; I'm however not the FBI to prove its authenticity. And I have little reason to consider BRICS a questionable (or "no real", as you put it) source and not doing the very check you request us barflies to perform.
(4) No sources? How many are needed? The BRICS article mentions an Australian news portal, indeed. They reference to Laura Aboli's Telegram channel with that claim. If someone is really in love with the numbers, or sceptical, go contact her and ask. In said telegram post, Laura links to another reading-worth article from the Oakland Institute, August 2021, i.e. 1 month after the creation of the Ukrainian land market entered into effect. - Last not least SOMEONE is always the first to put a number to a phenomenon; A "first investigative source" so to say.

My evaluation: The 17 million hectares claim is new, indeed. Someone only very recently came up with that number. This is not strange to me. Land grab has a decades-old, well described (including numbers) hisory, mostly illegal / chaotic. The pertinent dam-breaking legalisation is only one year in effect. The numbers MUST go significantly up, given the advance pressure by IMF and EU etc. Its drivers (cui bono?) are absolutely clear.

On this occasion: For Crimea, VP signed a law forbidding foreign land ownership. Article from March 2021.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 15:00 utc | 161

Volodymyr Zelensky has accused the EU of delaying €8 billion in aid to Kyiv.

Allied troops entered Artemovsk in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

The Russian military also neutralized a "sleeping cell" of Ukrainian saboteurs in Kherson.

EU has finally approved a plan for a voluntary reduction in demand for natural gas, with the possibility of introducing a mandatory reduction in consumption by 15% in the coming months.

Volodymyr Zelensky condemned the international human rights organization Amnesty International for reporting on the crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The EU embargo on Russian coal will come into force on August 10, and all EU countries must comply with it, despite the energy crisis, the European Commission said.

Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 15:03 utc | 162

@George Westinghaus #148
Germany has been the 2nd or 3rd largest trade surplus nation for decades; that goes away as they deindustrialize.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2022 15:06 utc | 163

@ Karlof1

There was somewhat of a problem with land, flat and farmland transfers at first in Crimea as was vehicle registration etc.but most of it was resolved with time and understanding the new Russian laws. I noticed even the Ukie Mafia that owned part of our beach, got to keep some of their lands and have since developed it. Just have to abide by the new Sheriff in town. Russians, compared to the Ukies have a set of strict rules when it comes to most things - in comparance.

Even the TaTar , who were in the process of receiving some of their old lands thru Ukraine have had no big problems - even today. The big parcels of land that will most likely be used in farming { with the water canal open} - I'm not sure of the history of ownership.

I'm hoping Russia grabs all the Farmland from the foreigners that screwed the Ukies and finds a better non GMO plan. Ukraine used to help out- the less fortunate countries , when it came to their grain and the prices - this needs to go back that way. Enjoy reading your posts. Spasibo

Posted by: GMC | Aug 5 2022 15:10 utc | 164

A 2-fer from the deluded chicken hawks

Putin Can't Control His Ukraine Cataclysm - TheHill.com

Notable because it talks about ground combat but the article writer is a former US Navy officer

Seth Cropsey is founder and president of Yorktown Institute. He served as a naval officer and as deputy undersecretary of the Navy

The Yorktown Institute is a charity (!) with Mr. Cropsey as President.

America CAN confront Russia and China simultaneously - Wapo.com

The idea that the United States can choose between confronting Russian aggression or Chinese aggression is attractive, until it meets reality. In truth, these two expansionist dictatorships are working together to undermine our security, prosperity and freedom. Moscow and Beijing view their struggles against the West as intertwined, so we must acknowledge that connection as well.

The chicken hawk's latest riposte against those with any sanity...

And the author of this insightful military and economic analysis?
Josh Rogin - the WaPo's foreign policy reporter. Ugh.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2022 15:13 utc | 165

Nikolaev is “closed” for the weekend, a curfew is introduced, said the governor of the Nikolaev region Vitaly Kim.

The allied forces took control of more than half of the territory of Marinka, said Vitaly Kiselev, assistant minister of internal affairs of the LPR.

Europe is reducing LNG imports, but the application for the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine is at the level of previous days and months.

The Spanish Ministry of Defense has decided to transfer 20 M113 armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guided missiles to Ukraine. - El Pais.

Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 15:14 utc | 166

CM of Berlin | Aug 5 2022 14:44 utc | 160

191k killed AND wounded seems like a strange number.
If the dead to wounded are in the ratio 1:2.x then it could work. Hard for them to tell, they leave the dead on the field, everyone is "missing".

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 15:19 utc | 167

@c1ue #168, the yuan is down moderately (5-10%) since pre-war, no? And YTD/YOY but within the normal trading range from 2016-on. Unless it just popped, haven't checked in a bit

Posted by: yenwoda | Aug 5 2022 15:22 utc | 168

C1ue 164. A trade surplus means that you are producing more than you consume. That’s a pretty pointless exercise if you keep it up for decades. So it looks like Germany could afford to deindustrialise a bit without harming their own living standards. Though, of course, the people currently getting free stuff might have to cut back their consumption. So “Go Germans”?

Posted by: Nicholas Tesla | Aug 5 2022 15:23 utc | 169

This just about sums it all up with Ukraine in mind.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZYnPouVUAA152x?format=jpg&name=small

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 5 2022 15:31 utc | 170

apologies if this has already been posted.. breaking news..
https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

The Ukrainian Armed Forces shelled the territory of the Zaporizhzhia NPP, and a fire broke out at the site, authorities said.

Two power lines necessary for the functioning of power units were severed on the territory.

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:36 utc | 171

I am taking the liberty of reposting from a previous ukraine open thread the final comment, which to me encapsulates the motivation of the Ukrainian nationalists and is in line with Cynthia Chung's history of the OUN ("O" being 'Organization')linked by karlof1 a few posts ago:

...The basic problem, seems to me, is that there is no homogeneous Ukraine. Never was. So the nationalists try to make one. Ukrainian speaking, wholly 'ukrainian'.

But the trouble is that the best part of Ukraine is the south and east which are very strongly Russian oriented.

So the only ways to do were either secede from that Ukraine and make a 'pure Ukraine' of their own, or dominate and crush that part.

So they chose the latter.

Their whole idea for years has been simply to wipe out all Russian connection from Ukraine. Which is ethnic cleansing. That's what it is.

And if Ukraine by some miracle were to 'win' this conflict and return to the borders prior to the conflict, then it would proceed with the ethnic cleansing again. Take up where it left off.

It would immediately embark upon that crime and this time larded with much venom, hatred, recrimination, reprisals, pogroms. It would literally be grossly awful, terrible.

There needs to be a partitioning of Ukraine and it should have been done peacefully. It was done peacefully, at Minsk. The nationalists will not allow it.

So be it. Then it must be done this way.

All of this is merely a Civil War partitioning the country. For the better.

Only the evil of the corrupt Kiev regime and the corrupt American regime have caused it to be done this terrible way. Here we see manifest the heart and soul of America. Here we see the fruits of the love of a dollar, of big business, of mega corporations, of money and power before people.


Posted by: abrogard | Aug 5 2022 4:35 utc | 268

I would take issue with the sentence "Here we see manifest..." above. The heart and soul of America lies sleeping; it is not represented by the American regime, as the comment makes very clear. All nations have heart and soul - in some it lies dormant due to oppression. But it is there; it is always there. And it can revive.

It seems to me that the choice to be 'ethnically pure' probably needs to be put by the truncated Ukraine as envisioned above, to a referendum vote. It is possible that choice is limited to a minority - the population as we see is being forced to comply with an illegitimate regime, much as the US is.

On the latter, it is my own opinion that a greater majority, far greater, of citizens than those supporting our regime would choose a different course given the opportunity to do so - we are Ukraine in a different aspect - not as cruelly treated, but we are Ukraine. I think there is hope that each of these regime ruled entities would choose a better way, heart and soul being given full democratic freedom.

Thank you, abrogard.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 5 2022 15:43 utc | 172

Posted by: yenwoda | Aug 5 2022 15:02 utc | 162

more horseshit. where's your comrade in arms, et tu. maybe there's just one of you. anyway, you apparently know more than the pentagon, which could not confirm who was responsible for the Bucha massacre. or who the "grieving relatives and friends" were. as I recall didn't the White Helmets purport to have some grieving relatives and friends on hand, too, for their staged massacre in Syria. or do you approve of that little propaganda set piece, too?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 5 2022 15:44 utc | 173

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:36 utc | 174

UA is claiming that RF is using the NPP as a site from which to fire artillery at UA forces =)

They are compulsive, pathological, tyrannical liars.

This does lend a little more weight to the suspicion that there is something incriminating to be found in Zaporizhzia NNP and that UA is going to extreme lengths to delay / derail an IAEA audit of the place.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 174

@PavewayIV 79
Thanks for the info on Zaporhizhzia. The vital question is what has happened to the 30 tonnes of plutonium and 40 tonnes of enriched uranium that was supposed to be stored there and perhaps at Tchernobyl? Its presence was belatedly announced by the D-Gen of IAEA. This huge quantity has been said to be worth $150 billion.
General Grossi the IAEA D-G is concerned that it is "safe". Is it safe in Russia somewhere does anybody know?

It would seem to go a long way to compensating for the lost Forex billions.

Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 175

So, a direct statement by Russia's Ministry of Defence accusing the Outlaw US Empire of bioweapon use is a "conspiracy theory" and is subject to culling. Looks like it's time to move on......

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2022 15:51 utc | 176

@ juliania | Aug 5 2022 15:43 utc | 176

i always go back to pyschohistorians view that finance and the god of mammon are at the root of this... the usa, canada and etc are run by financial oligarchs - federal reserve, boe and etc with no oversight by the people of these countries.. so in a sense - yes we are all ukraine here...

@ anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 179

thanks.. i agree with you and do wonder about all this in the way you've framed it as well...

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:55 utc | 177

Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 180

Thanks for the info on Zaporhizhzia. The vital question is what has happened to the 30 tonnes of plutonium and 40 tonnes of enriched uranium that was supposed to be stored there and perhaps at Tchernobyl

Every nuclear power plant stores several tons of enriched uranium and plutonium. Used fuel rods are stored on site for several years to let them cool down. 30 tonnes of plutonium is about what the Zaporhizhzia NPP would produce in 8 years. This plutonium in the used fuel rods is however not "weapons grade". It is polluted with Pu-240.

To produce weapons grade plutonium, the fuel rods would have to be changed once every month. In a pressured-water reactor, like the ones used in Zaporhizhzia this would require opening the pressure vessel and a downtime of some two weeks.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 15:57 utc | 178

"The Spanish Ministry of Defense has decided to transfer 20 M113 armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guided missiles to Ukraine. - El Pais."

That's one wat to put it. Another way is this: Spain announced more than one month ago (I think it was early June).

In the deal were also 10 tanks (Leopard 2A4 made in Germany). They are no longer in the deal because Spain has NOW concluded they were too old to be used.

We've all seen Ukrainians use civilian cars, walk on foot, complain about the lack of heavier guns. And using old tanks from Soviet era. But NOW these are "too old and unsafe"...

This NOW happens after the Kosovo crisis and Ukraine's support to independentists in other European countries...

And NOW only the personnel carriers are shiped to Ukraine, so that more cannin fidder can go to the front lines without any fire-power.

As the spanish ultra-naZionalist Borrel said: "fight to the last Ukrainian", while defending "Europe's well organized French garden" from the "surrounding JUNGLE that wants to invade that garden".

Not a conspiracy theory. I'm just saying what the chronology of the events was.

In all Europe, Spain is probably the only coherent one, since they oppose all independentism. That's the only position coherent (but wrong, in my view) with the refusal to recognize Crimea's and Donbass' independences (aka Selfdetermination, a Human Right).

Note: since Russia destroyed more than 4 thousand "tanks and other armored vehicles", I wonder what difference 10 more APC will do when they finally arrive the front lines in Ukraine. Just 10 more metal coffins to prolongue NATO's proxy war/defeat.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 16:04 utc | 179

"cannin fidder" -> cannon fodder
Lol

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 16:07 utc | 180

@Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 16:04 utc | 184

No difference in war but anything the West is sending can and will be used for terrorism. EU knows it too, they want to see deaths and that's all.
I'm glad the news today said that Putin signed a new decree "on the use of special measures in the financial and fuel and energy spheres in connection with the unfriendly actions of other countries"

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 16:09 utc | 181

Zaporozhye NPP was hit again, for a second time today. Thank you Mr Shoigu for your great strategy! Slow is best!

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 16:17 utc | 182

@ rk | Aug 5 2022 16:17 utc | 187

i am sure you'd do a much better job... i will recommend you, lol...

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 16:24 utc | 183

Re: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 15:57 utc | 183

Spent fuel, or used fuel rods, which are stored in the spent fuel pools, do indeed contain plutonium, however, the fuel rods must undergo reprocessing to separate the plutonium from the rods. This is typically a process where the rods are dissolved in nitric acid; it must be done using robotics due to the high levels of radiation.

Reprocessing is not done at nuclear power plants. So unless the rods were reprocessed elsewhere and the reactor grade plutonium was returned to the plant, there would not be 30 tons of plutonium at the plant.

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 5 2022 16:25 utc | 184

If a large quantity of spent fuel has gone missing from the plant, that would raise questions as to what was done with it, i.e. is/was there a clandestine nuclear weapons program underway somewhere in Ukraine?

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 5 2022 16:30 utc | 185

ANTI-SPIEGEL EXPLAINS WHY GAZPROM CANNOT EVADE SANCTIONS AND ACCEPT TURBINE FROM GERMANY

Why the turbine for Nord Stream cannot be delivered to Russia

The delivery of the turbine is therefore not possible for legal reasons, because delivery routes were used that were not provided for in the contracts and because companies without a contractual basis were involved in processes, which can raise liability issues and other legal problems.

The most important problem, however, is the sanctions imposed by the EU, Great Britain and Canada, because if Gazprom accepts the turbine without having a guarantee that it will not violate their sanctions, Gazprom employees will be liable to prosecution for sanctions evasion. In addition, such a evasion of sanctions could lead to further expropriations of Gazprom assets.

Therefore, Gazprom is demanding a guarantee from the EU, where the turbine is now located and under the sanctions of which bans the supply of machines for gas and oil extraction and transport of gas and oil to Russia, that these sanctions will not apply to the turbine. Gazprom is also demanding a guarantee from Great Britain that the delivery of the turbine will not violate British sanctions because a British subsidiary of Siemens is responsible for the maintenance of the turbines. Should the delivery breach UK sanctions, it could mean the end of maintenance on more turbines.

And Canada must also officially declare that the delivery of the turbine to Russia does not violate its sanctions. Although Canada delivered the turbine to Germany, under Canadian sanctions, transferring the turbine to Gazprom is a violation of Canadian sanctions and could also result in a ban on servicing other turbines in Canada and other sanctions evasion penalties.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 16:45 utc | 186

Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 9:28 utc

Any suggestion as to how I can sign up for an account without a cell phone? (I don't have one.)

Posted by: spudski | Aug 5 2022 18:01 utc | 187

Good day for nato. Large double strike on npp, strike on cities, dead people. Slow is best!

Twenty 152-mm shells were fired on the territory of the NPP and the city of Energodar
▪️part of the equipment of power unit No. 3 has been de-energized at the NPP, the generated power of power unit No. 4 has been reduced
▪️There is a partial lack of electricity and water supply in the city of Energodar
▪️the hydrogen pipeline was damaged, which caused a flare ignition of hydrogen at the hydrogen station

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 18:20 utc | 188

Petri Krohn #195

Puts a whole new twist to "holding their feet to the fire".

Germany is not looking to be in a good position and Siemens is damaged badly.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:03 utc | 189

The post that opened this thread says explicitly:

Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned.

I wonder how otherwise intelligent people do not get that it means what it says.

Posted by: b | Aug 5 2022 19:04 utc | 190

Steven Starr #190

I recall that Japan is a big plutonium recycler. Unsure if that still applies.

Given the revelations in Ukraine, I assume the plutonium refinement from spent fuel rods would be ably assisted by usnato. I would be asking the French first given their hysteria at all points.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:11 utc | 191

rk #182

I too thank Shoigu for his patience and restraint in avoiding huge deaths among liberation forces. Storming fortified trenches is ww1 mentality and something englanders adhere to. Russians have empathy for the task their forces must do.

I particularly appreciate the impatience of the IAEA clown announcing problems at the nuclear power plant 24 hours BEFORE it was shelled.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:23 utc | 192

@200 pessimist

The RF already has control over the Black Sea. They would not let go of Sevastopol, nor Crimea, which has shit-loads of of missiles and radar stations.

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:25 utc | 193

@Nicholas Tesla #169 Exports mean jobs and tax revenue

This view is too narrow as far as Germany with its endemic trade surplus is concerned.
The most important stabilizer, an appreciation of the national currency, is not applicable anymore as in the years of the DM. Euro appreciation would curb the ability of participating countries with a weak export sector and pronounce their trade deficit.
Germany’s surplus “jobs and tax revenue” (as you put it) are exported as deficit in a zero-sum game. To its customers. Spain, Italy, Greece etc... G’s export surplus is their deficit, financed with credits, as they consume more than they produce. In summary, this is SALE ON CREDIT. Credits will fail over the long haul if the imbalance lasts long enough; The debtors need debt relief. Germany will spend the previous excess revenue of the trade surplus years on write-offs. And/or bailouts, as seen in the financial crisis 2007-2008. In this mechanism, trade surplus means more sales, more revenue, more wages for the export industry branches, while all taxpayers and bank customers will finally pay the bill. Capitalism for the industry, socialism for the citizens.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 19:26 utc | 194

@Nicholas Tesla #169 Exports mean jobs and tax revenue

This view is too narrow as far as Germany with its endemic trade surplus is concerned.
The most important stabilizer, an appreciation of the national currency, is not applicable anymore as in the years of the DM. Any EUR appreciation would curb the ability of participating countries with a weak export sector and pronounce their trade deficit.
Germany’s surplus “jobs and tax revenue” (as you put it) are exported in a zero-sum game. To its customers. Spain, Italy, Greece etc... G’s export surplus is their deficit, financed with credits, as they consume more than they produce. In summary, this is SALE ON CREDIT. Credits will fail over the long haul if the imbalance lasts long enough; The debtors won't receive more credits and will need debt relief. Germany will spend the previous excess revenue of the trade surplus years on write-offs and/or bailouts, as seen in the financial crisis 2007-2008. - In this mechanism, trade surplus means more sales, more revenue, more wages for the export industry branches, while taxpayers and bank customers will finally pay the bill. Profits for a few, costs for all.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 19:33 utc | 195

@194 OttoE

Are you suggesting Germany has a GDP surplus their government can expend to support other EU states? As they used to? When they are now telling their own citizens to stop heating their homes, stop using power?

Is this how a domestic government looks after it's own citizens, as they are constitutionally required to?

What kind of government do you have?

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:39 utc | 196

Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 9:28 utc

Any suggestion as to how I can sign up for an account without a cell phone? (I don't have one.)

Posted by: spudski | Aug 5 2022 18:01 utc | 187

spudski, being as I don't have a cell phone either, I have emailed "support" at VK dot com and will post any possibly useful information on an appropriate thread (that is, where my comment wouldn't be off-topic).

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 5 2022 19:49 utc | 197

Military Summary chanel has a solid report today.

Dima does us all a great service as usual.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:50 utc | 198

Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:25 utc | 193

"The RF already has control over the Black Sea. They would not let go of Sevastopol, nor Crimea, which has shit-loads of of missiles and radar stations"
***
Sevastopol was (and must be still) the military center of the whole SE Russian defensive system in 2014. Under no circumstance would they let that go. It not just "any" port, but one of the major keys to Russian use of naval power. Two are Vladivostok and Sevastopol.

I am less sure about the relative importances of Murmansk, Kalingrad in the north. etc.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 20:10 utc | 199

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 5 2022 19:49 utc

Thank you, David Levin!

Posted by: spudski | Aug 5 2022 20:23 utc | 200

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