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August 4, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-122
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 22:13 utc | 106 PavewayIV @ 48 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 23:13 utc | 102 So I wake up this morning to this headline: Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Aug 4 2022 23:22 utc | 103 Roger | Aug 4 2022 22:56 utc | 121 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 23:26 utc | 104 “… (The Bank of England now forecasting a drop in GDP and 13% inflation by next year), Europeans wearing layers to bed during the winter, and nice frozen ground on the steppe east of the Dnieper before moving to deep tank thrusts…” Roger@121 Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 23:28 utc | 105 Here is more of the sordid story regarding the IMF loans and GMO crops in the Ukraine. If Russia doesn’t capture the bulk of the prime agricultural land (plus the sea ports) what is being planned and in progress would threaten Russian agriculture because of proximity I would think. Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 23:32 utc | 106 I, too, am very interested in a response to this query, as what I’m hearing in mainstream media is hard to believe: Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 107 Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 142 Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 0:13 utc | 108 @karlof1 | Aug 4 2022 23:25 utc | 130 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 109 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 144 Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 0:25 utc | 110 Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 23:01 utc | 123 Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 5 2022 0:29 utc | 111 Martin Holsinger | Aug 5 2022 0:11 utc | 142 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:32 utc | 112 Perhaps we should all move our corona/monkey pox comments to the open thread. Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Aug 5 2022 0:35 utc | 113 the pessimist @ 144 Posted by: circumspect | Aug 5 2022 0:43 utc | 114 Zaporhizhzia NPP Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:46 utc | 115 Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 0:36 utc | 151 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2022 0:50 utc | 116 @Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 4 2022 22:58 utc | 122 Posted by: Roger | Aug 5 2022 0:51 utc | 156 Posted by: Seer | Aug 5 2022 1:02 utc | 118 PeterAU1, peter your work on your vk is an important archive, thank you. karlof1, thank you for your links, observations & tying so much of what is happening currently into a chapter easily understood, preparing us to meet tomorrow’s new barrage. i agree with both of your assessments regarding china’s patient methodical response to the mummy. i am wondering if she mayn’t’ve sent as a feint. as you know i live in victoria canada. i never watch our news, for obvious reasons, however flipping through to tape something i chanced upon our defence minister, clearly a ninny, neary a word about canada’s peace keeping past bt proudly declaring that canada had been training troops for ukraine for all these years since 2014 & going on to announce that canada is proudly stepping up to train 30,000 more! this on a day when most sane, even the most insane safari hunting nazi ought to know to stay well away from the ukraine. my take is that nato is very very worried about the biolabs & russia’s upcoming war trials. & that we may indeed for the great onslaught by nato, still agreed, under the guise of advisors bt with a heavy influx of weapons. possibly that’s why ukraine is withdrawing from donbass & why russia is preparing for the next wave. Posted by: emersonreturn | Aug 5 2022 4:37 utc | 119 @Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 11:19 utc | 13 Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 4:39 utc | 120 Martin Jay at strategic culture calls a spade a funeral device. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:27 utc | 121 On the IAEA and its current Karen performance re Uke reactors. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:35 utc | 122 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73 Posted by: OhOh | Aug 5 2022 5:58 utc | 123 uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 5:35 utc | 166 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 6:04 utc | 124 Posted by: OhOh | Aug 5 2022 5:58 utc | 152 Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 6:45 utc | 125 Posted by: JB | Aug 4 2022 19:53 utc | 80 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 7:55 utc | 126 @all Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 17:57 utc | 51 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 8:04 utc | 128 Paveway IV @ 76 Posted by: digital dinosaur | Aug 5 2022 8:09 utc | 129 Only US tells the truth and nothing but the truth. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 8:12 utc | 130 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 5 2022 0:16 utc | 116 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 8:12 utc | 131 The difference between what Zelensky wants to do near Kherson/Odessa and the observable situation in the areas already fighting Uke/Russia, is so great I wonder exactly what is being given to him as information? Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 8:22 utc | 132
Michigan dude don’t get a say about anything here. Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 5 2022 8:30 utc | 133
Thanks for that, b, and for your hard work. Never had the chance to tell you. I read you for years now and appreciate your views and your objectivity. Even if I dare to comment only since recently. I just became more confident with my English… thanks to Deepl. Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 5 2022 8:46 utc | 134 anti-spiegel.ru Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 8:58 utc | 135 If Russia wins in the Ukraine, the EU/NATO/US loses. It will also bring down the dollar, pound and euro. So, are you ready for the defeat of EU/NATO/US and the consequences? Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 8:59 utc | 136 Graham Phillips Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 5 2022 9:03 utc | 137 Grieved, b walks the razors edge. I have kicked off a thread in VK messenger here. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 9:28 utc | 139 You can bet your nuts on it. Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 9:40 utc | 140 If Russia wins in the Ukraine, the EU/NATO/US loses. It will also bring down the dollar, pound and euro. So, are you ready for the defeat of EU/NATO/US and the consequences? Posted by: unimperator | Aug 5 2022 9:47 utc | 141 Missing pieces? Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 5 2022 10:29 utc | 142 So AI have just discovered that the Ukrainian “elites” are a bunch of fascist ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis. Posted by: Rob Garnett | Aug 5 2022 10:33 utc | 143 Peter AU1 #124 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 10:37 utc | 144 Bad Deal Motors On at 137- Harold Macmillan was not a Labour Party leader. He was a Conservative Party Prime Minister. You may be confusing him with Harold Wilson who was a Labour Party politician. Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 5 2022 10:39 utc | 145 rp #140 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 10:45 utc | 146 As predicted – PRC sanctions Pelosi and her family members. Wonder if this includes Newhouse Posted by: Exile | Aug 5 2022 10:47 utc | 147 People talk about the deindustrialization of Germany due to the EU sanctions on Russia. I wonder what that would mean on the ground. Would it turn them into a sort of western Ukraine? How much of that 60% of GNP that is “services” depends on the 30% that is “industry”? Would they just be back to eating potatoes? There is also the micro to consider. How much damage has been done to Siemens with the turbine fracas? Not Siemens fault – that’s down to the EU nuttiness – but the Duran boys have a point about how sometimes it just becomes too much of a pain to deal with someone. Even if it’s not their fault. Posted by: George Westinghaus | Aug 5 2022 11:13 utc | 148 Alastair Croock, Agust 5, 2022
Posted by: António Ferrão | Aug 5 2022 11:29 utc | 149 136, 141 Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 5 2022 12:07 utc | 150 Peak democracy was peak cold war. Can’t have the peasants revolting. Even though the rulers were and are revolting. Posted by: Jpc | Aug 5 2022 12:20 utc | 151 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Aug 5 2022 12:40 utc | 176 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 12:49 utc | 152 The entire area of Ukraine is 600,000 sq. km, 170,000 sq. km is 28% of all the land in Ukraine. @BadDealMotors – Harold Macmillan was a Conservative PM. Maybe you mean Harold Wilson – but what laws are you actually talking about that rescind Magna Carta? Posted by: Peter | Aug 5 2022 14:03 utc | 155 @all – there was another necessary cleanup of off-topic comments here. Ukrainian Armed Forces again fired at the territory of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant and damaged power lines that are used to ensure the operation of power units. Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 14:10 utc | 157 They stole all iraq’s gold and the largest pre barreled supply of oil in the world, Russia has somewhat stopped them in Syria/Lybia and Iran is getting a foothold in Iraq. The Lybia,Iraq,Iran plan launched after 911 has been screwed by the Russians. Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 5 2022 14:10 utc | 158 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 12:09 utc | 171 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 14:16 utc | 159 Just noted this message on Slavyangrad Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 5 2022 14:44 utc | 160 @b #127 Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 15:00 utc | 161 Volodymyr Zelensky has accused the EU of delaying €8 billion in aid to Kyiv. Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 15:03 utc | 162 @George Westinghaus #148 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2022 15:06 utc | 163 @ Karlof1 Posted by: GMC | Aug 5 2022 15:10 utc | 164 A 2-fer from the deluded chicken hawks
The Yorktown Institute is a charity (!) with Mr. Cropsey as President.
The chicken hawk’s latest riposte against those with any sanity… Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2022 15:13 utc | 165 Nikolaev is “closed” for the weekend, a curfew is introduced, said the governor of the Nikolaev region Vitaly Kim. Posted by: rp | Aug 5 2022 15:14 utc | 166 CM of Berlin | Aug 5 2022 14:44 utc | 160 Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 15:19 utc | 167 @c1ue #168, the yuan is down moderately (5-10%) since pre-war, no? And YTD/YOY but within the normal trading range from 2016-on. Unless it just popped, haven’t checked in a bit Posted by: yenwoda | Aug 5 2022 15:22 utc | 168 C1ue 164. A trade surplus means that you are producing more than you consume. That’s a pretty pointless exercise if you keep it up for decades. So it looks like Germany could afford to deindustrialise a bit without harming their own living standards. Though, of course, the people currently getting free stuff might have to cut back their consumption. So “Go Germans”? Posted by: Nicholas Tesla | Aug 5 2022 15:23 utc | 169 This just about sums it all up with Ukraine in mind. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 5 2022 15:31 utc | 170 apologies if this has already been posted.. breaking news.. Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:36 utc | 171 I am taking the liberty of reposting from a previous ukraine open thread the final comment, which to me encapsulates the motivation of the Ukrainian nationalists and is in line with Cynthia Chung’s history of the OUN (“O” being ‘Organization’)linked by karlof1 a few posts ago:
I would take issue with the sentence “Here we see manifest…” above. The heart and soul of America lies sleeping; it is not represented by the American regime, as the comment makes very clear. All nations have heart and soul – in some it lies dormant due to oppression. But it is there; it is always there. And it can revive. Posted by: juliania | Aug 5 2022 15:43 utc | 172 Posted by: yenwoda | Aug 5 2022 15:02 utc | 162 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 5 2022 15:44 utc | 173 Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:36 utc | 174 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 174 @PavewayIV 79 Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 175 So, a direct statement by Russia’s Ministry of Defence accusing the Outlaw US Empire of bioweapon use is a “conspiracy theory” and is subject to culling. Looks like it’s time to move on…… @ juliania | Aug 5 2022 15:43 utc | 176 Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 15:55 utc | 177 Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 5 2022 15:45 utc | 180
Every nuclear power plant stores several tons of enriched uranium and plutonium. Used fuel rods are stored on site for several years to let them cool down. 30 tonnes of plutonium is about what the Zaporhizhzia NPP would produce in 8 years. This plutonium in the used fuel rods is however not “weapons grade”. It is polluted with Pu-240. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 15:57 utc | 178 “The Spanish Ministry of Defense has decided to transfer 20 M113 armored personnel carriers and anti-aircraft guided missiles to Ukraine. – El Pais.” Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 16:04 utc | 179 @Carlos Marques | Aug 5 2022 16:04 utc | 184 Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 16:09 utc | 181 Zaporozhye NPP was hit again, for a second time today. Thank you Mr Shoigu for your great strategy! Slow is best! Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 16:17 utc | 182 @ rk | Aug 5 2022 16:17 utc | 187 Posted by: james | Aug 5 2022 16:24 utc | 183 Re: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 15:57 utc | 183 Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 5 2022 16:25 utc | 184 If a large quantity of spent fuel has gone missing from the plant, that would raise questions as to what was done with it, i.e. is/was there a clandestine nuclear weapons program underway somewhere in Ukraine? Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 5 2022 16:30 utc | 185 ANTI-SPIEGEL EXPLAINS WHY GAZPROM CANNOT EVADE SANCTIONS AND ACCEPT TURBINE FROM GERMANY
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 5 2022 16:45 utc | 186 Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2022 9:28 utc Posted by: spudski | Aug 5 2022 18:01 utc | 187 Good day for nato. Large double strike on npp, strike on cities, dead people. Slow is best! Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2022 18:20 utc | 188 Petri Krohn #195 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:03 utc | 189 The post that opened this thread says explicitly:
I wonder how otherwise intelligent people do not get that it means what it says. Steven Starr #190 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:11 utc | 191 rk #182 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:23 utc | 192 @200 pessimist Posted by: Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:25 utc | 193 @Nicholas Tesla #169 Exports mean jobs and tax revenue Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 19:26 utc | 194 @Nicholas Tesla #169 Exports mean jobs and tax revenue Posted by: OttoE | Aug 5 2022 19:33 utc | 195 @194 OttoE Posted by: Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:39 utc | 196
spudski, being as I don’t have a cell phone either, I have emailed “support” at VK dot com and will post any possibly useful information on an appropriate thread (that is, where my comment wouldn’t be off-topic). Posted by: David Levin | Aug 5 2022 19:49 utc | 197 Military Summary chanel has a solid report today. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 5 2022 19:50 utc | 198 Ant. | Aug 5 2022 19:25 utc | 193 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 5 2022 20:10 utc | 199 Posted by: David Levin | Aug 5 2022 19:49 utc Posted by: spudski | Aug 5 2022 20:23 utc | 200 |
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