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August 04, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-122

Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict.

Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Posted by b on August 4, 2022 at 9:30 UTC | Permalink

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I'm surprised that AI actually complained about this being mainly a Western controlled body.


" Ukrainian troops violate international legal norms and military law by deploying weapons in schools and hospitals in cities and putting civilians at risk, according to a report by the human rights organization Amnesty International."


https://ria.ru/20220804/ukraina-1807121895.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:06 utc | 1

Does Zelensky know the games up but he cannot do anything because Biden runs the show, is this why he's reaching out in possibly an attempt to try and end the conflict. If anyone could barter a cessation to hostilities it would be Jingping.

" Volodymyr Zelenskyy Saidthat he wants to "directly" talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping about the conflict in Ukraine.
"I would like to talk directly. I had one conversation with Xi Jinping, which took place a year ago," Zelensky told the Chinese edition of the South China Morning Post."


https://ria.ru/20220804/zelenskiy-1807123006.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2

Republicofscotland no 1

I couldn't open your link. Do you mean this from amnesty.org

Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 4 2022 10:17 utc | 3

If the link in 1 doesn't work (or is banned in your country) try this onehttps://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ukraine-military-endangering-civilians-locating-forces-residential-areas-new

Posted by: Sir Henry Rawlinson | Aug 4 2022 10:18 utc | 4

Oh ffs Spriteer got suspended again - Twitter propaganda has lost its mind like the Mad Hatter - seek out the others who are alive.

Last night he/they reported the protests in Germany against the failure to instigate NS2 by the nato Greens.

It’s kicking off. It’s only early August. The aircon bills are coming in. On top of car fuel prices and staples. Never mind winter heating costs.

It’s almost as if mass revolt is being fermented by the masters - they require anarchy and mindless hatred against Russia and Russians as concepts in peoples minds to be bottled up and put away until the next time they attempt to yet again attack and conquer it.

There will not be a next time - that Old Great Game is done forever - it was signed and sealed by the meeting of Xi and Putin in person in February. It was predicted many months before. It is being cemented with the ever increasing queue of members to the SCO.
The EU has a chance to survive and join it as a single block or it will dismantle and join it as sovereign nations. There is no other option of getting down from the precipice that we have been put upon in the Collective Waste. We must follow the safe route down to the rest of the world and our collective future.

I have no doubt that the brand new NS2 is going to be running soon and the Russians will be seen through our brainwashing to be saving Europeans again from our fascist controllers by this winter.

Then it will be all about the truth and reconciliation - justice having been dispensed upon the string pullers of the Collective Waste and it has no need to be seen to be done, because most of these bastards are unknown, so it makes no difference to the most of us.

May these precision strikes be swift - I want to enjoy the new and beautiful future for my final decades.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2022 10:26 utc | 5

Today military Summary channel stated that the ukies moved 60% of their artillery out of the donbas towards the south for an offensive.
already the Russians are now making breakthroughs in this area with the missing artillery, and Ukrainians top general is begging Zelinsky to move it back!

lol, what a sad joke of a situation.
why does Zelinsky even have generals if he refuses to listen to them.

when are the Ukrainians going to stand up to this douchebag, remove him, and end the war!

there are more and more reports of Ukrainian groups refusing to fight, abandoning their positions and getting thrown in jail.

if i was them, i'd start organizing resistance amongst themselves, and find a away to contact the Russians, surrender their arms to the Russians instead, and have a chance to live in the donbas once it's over.

even switching sides with your unit,and fighting on the Russian side would give them an exponentially better chance of survival and living a decent life afterwards.

thats why there is this old Russian joke about Russians being mathematicians,where Ukrainians are farmers.


it makes sense now! them ukies truly are dumb and must enjoy dying.

i pray for the lost lives. 🙏

that said, has anyone checked on the price of a Ukrainian mail order bride these days?

i bet there's some hotties at a very affordable price!

Posted by: BurnEye Minds3rdEye | Aug 4 2022 10:29 utc | 6

DunGroanin,

More detail on the German NS2 protests pluz ? I can’t find anything on web.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2022 10:39 utc | 7

Sir Henry no 4

Yes i think it's banned. (Cannot be reached)

Thanks

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 4 2022 10:46 utc | 8

Ouch. This from the The Telegraph..

"Kyiv 'endangering civilians' by using schools and hospitals as military bases

Amnesty International has accused the Ukrainian army of endangering civilians and violating humanitarian law in their fight against Russian invaders.

The human rights NGO said Ukrainian forces in Kharkiv, Donbas and Mykolaiv had in some cases established bases and operated weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals.

The group said such tactics violate international humanitarian law as they turn civilians into targets for Russian strikes.

We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” Agnes Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General, said.

While the group said the practices “do not in any way justify indiscriminate Russian attacks”, Dr Callamard added: “Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.”

Amnesty claimed that it was not aware that the Ukrainian military who located themselves in civilian structures buildings had asked or assisted civilians to evacuate, which it said was a “failure to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians”.

Ukraine's mask is slipping..

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Aug 4 2022 10:56 utc | 10

initially i read AI as "artificial intelligence" (goddamn maybe it is conscious). a while back one of the ngo's actually labelled Israeli treatment of Palestinians as genocide. maybe some of the NGO's are developing a conscience, but that seems less likely than HAL becoming woke.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 11:05 utc | 11

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2

maybe Zelensky's real interest is in arranging political sanctuary in China. He's changed his spots before, he could be a very useful propaganda asset against the US in many ways, in the conflict over Taiwan. his life expectancy in Kiev is not looking good.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 11:12 utc | 12

Bypassing EU censorship

I can now access both RT and RIA Novosti from Finland. The censorship was simply a bogus DNS server operated by my ISP. It can be bypassed by using a standards-compliant DNS server outside the EU. I use the Cloudflare server at IP address 1.1.1.1

On Google Chrome go to this pseudo-URL:

chrome://settings/security

(Copy the line above and paste it to your address bar.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 11:19 utc | 13

Sky News segment blast Zelensky

Sky News host Cory Bernardi says “everything we are told” about the Russia-Ukraine conflict should be taken “with a huge dose of salt”.

https://facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/zelensky-not-all-hes-portrayed-as-by-western-media-bernardi/530906308807009/

I reckon truth will eventually come out from the western media outlets even though it will take some time.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 4 2022 11:36 utc | 14

Isn’t life fun? The South Korean guy is treating Nancy like a bad smell and Zelensky wants to talk to the Chinese guy. Presumably not about weapons donations. So great job, folks. And in the meantime it looks like VVP is getting ready to administer condign punishment to NATO. Not just administer it but very publicly administer it. I wonder has the Chinese guy thought of re-instituting kowtowing. Actual kowtowing, not the metaphorical kind. Just for US leaders visiting. VVP should consider it as well.

Posted by: Jackie Gleeson | Aug 4 2022 11:42 utc | 15

USAF a Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk spying over Black sea

RAF Vampir11 patrolling over Poland, spying on Belarus, but never going near the Belarus border.

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 11:43 utc | 16

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2

"I would like to talk directly. I had one conversation with Xi Jinping, which took place a year ago," Zelensky told the Chinese edition of the South China Morning Post."

Whats the point? If Xi ever picked up the phone (which he wouldnt) all he would say is, 'I can only refer you to my boss in the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin.'

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2022 11:44 utc | 17

Looks to me like Zelensky is under Western orders and all the West cares about at the moment is hanging on to Odessa so moving troops south makes sense, if that is right.

Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 4 2022 11:55 utc | 18

BureEye#6....he didn't move any artillery, it's been destroyed. Luckily for the Ukraine, they are winnnnning.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 4 2022 11:56 utc | 19

@Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:06 utc | 1

"I'm surprised that AI actually complained about this being mainly a Western controlled body."
Righteous; I've been approached by earnest (at least, I assume) Amnesty youngsters here in Taipei, peddling al-Qaeda propaganda about the poor babies of Idlibstan. Had I not been on my way to something, I might've tried to engage them on it, even though the topic is beyond my Chinese-language abilities.

What you say is so totally true that these events cannot be a deviation from it. The only option is that this is the new Party line, that is, St. Ze is being thrown under the bus. In fact, the American HIMARS hit on the Azov detention center was a bigger step in that direction, because it painted a huge bull's-eye on Zelensky's back for the benefit of pissed-off remaining Azovtsi.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Aug 4 2022 11:59 utc | 20

I'm still surprised every time I hear either someone from 'the left' call Russia's liberation attempts an "invasion", or when I hear someone convinced that the 9 years of DonBass terror is "a Russian lie". Seriously, both are so obviously wrong, yet upper class highly regarded media keep trying to brainwash me into believing their lies. It fails on me, because I've been following Julian Assange, Afshin Rattansi. Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley, George Eliason, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Alina Lipp, Patrick Lancaster, Johnny Miller, Roman Kosarev for years longer than when the so-called 'Russian invasion' started.
So fed up with the lies. Can no longer rely on anything WikiPedia or Bellingcat says is fact. The only fairly reliable sources I can find now come from Telegram channels.

Posted by: Benedict | Aug 4 2022 12:02 utc | 21

@5 DunGroanin
Hope you are right. In addition the SPD and Greens need to be kicked to curb ASAP. Every time the Greens are in power in Germany, there is war in Europe. And yet everyone thinks they are a peace party!
The Greens are only surviving due to massive establishment interference (press, political, religious institutions, universities, think tanks, oligarchs, NATO, EU etc.).
Unfortunately many ordinary people still fall for the crap of the SPD and Greens. Most of the CDU is not any better either.

Posted by: xn | Aug 4 2022 12:46 utc | 22


"...Please stop citing that idiotic Military Summary channel...."

Military Summary Channel is useful for folks in the West who are starting to see through the lies. His channel does more or less a good job of showing that Ukraine is screwed and Russia is just toying with them. That alone makes it worth it.

Now on the other hand he does get a lot of things wrong but so what? No one has a complete picture and I will take an honest attempt at explanation over a carefully crafted narrative any day. No one should be getting information from just one source.

Posted by: Chicken Man | Aug 4 2022 12:54 utc | 23

Benedict | Aug 4 2022 12:02 utc | 21
This article by a Russian woman tries to explain the puzzle.
https://socialistincanada.ca/globalism-has-remolded-western-leftists-into-ultralefts/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 12:55 utc | 24

Interesting and long briefing today about Ukr biolabs. Very small parts of it:

Work continues on the study of biological samples from Ukrainian soldiers who have voluntarily laid down their arms. As we noted earlier, high concentrations of antibiotics were found in their blood, as well as immunological markers indicative of exposure to the renal syndrome and West Nile pathogens, which were being studied by the Pentagon as part of the Ukrainian UP-4 and UP-8 projects.
Particular attention should be paid to the discovery of narcotic drugs, including opioids such as methadone, codepsin, codeterp, as well as ephedrine-type substances: t-phedrine and tri-phedrine, at positions abandoned by Ukrainian military personnel.
A side effect of such addictive drugs is primarily excessive aggression

Since 2009, USAID has funded the Predict programme, which has investigated new species of coronaviruses by capturing bats that carry the viruses. One of the contractors for the project was Metabiota. During the special military operation, documents were seized indicating that USAID and its main contractor, Labyrinth Ukraine, have been participating in the US military bioweapons programme since 2019.

Labyrinth Ukraine is a division of the US company Labyrinth Global Health, and its founders are former employees of Metabiota, a key Pentagon contractor in the military-biological field. One of Labyrinth Global Health's research areas has been the study of coronaviruses and monkeypox virus.

Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 13:09 utc | 25

"That Dima fool"is the only independent analyst covering this conflict that really understands both Russian tactics and is familiar with the terrain and conditions on the ground in Ukraine.

I don't know what his background is but he obviously has military experience and his predictions more often than not prove to be correct and his explanations of why one side or the other did something makes sense.

I too heard him on the Duran but what I heard was someone with actual military experience and expertise try to explain difficult concepts in a foreign language he hasn't mastered. He's not a journalist or a lawyer and I really don't care about his opinion on politics or grand strategy ... all I want from him is his opinion on tactics and movement on the ground.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 4 2022 13:10 utc | 26

I meant to try to add something meaningful to this discussion today but can only come up with, great job everybody!

Many moving parts now in play in multiple theaters.

Sad as it is to say, the hammer may strike at any moment and without warning, so peace I say to you all.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 4 2022 13:26 utc | 27

I meant to say "the hammer is posed to strike and will do so without warning." In other words, the gun is cocked and loaded. Peace!

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 4 2022 13:31 utc | 28

NS2
https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/gerhard-schroeder--pipeline-nord-stream-2-in-betrieb-nehmen-32594966.html

Posted by: mm6 | Aug 4 2022 10:46 utc | 9

Soon enough, Schröder will be made a persona non grata in Germany, just out of spite. He`s become on of the prime hate figures of German media and politicians simply because he just is not following their agenda. Utterly pathetic behaviour, but there still is room to go deeper.

As for NS2, only when all masks have fallen will that pipeline be used. The loss of face for government, polititians and media alike would be tremendous, so they are not willing to move one inch. Scholz visited the Siemens factory and told the world, with a straight face, that it is again all Russia`s fault that the device has not yet been shipped to Russia - as they have not made any attempts to get it. When, a week or so ago, half the German government declared that - after lifting the ban - the device is essentially already in Russia and there is no reason why the gas pipeline can work as it should. No matter what, Russia/Gazrpom is at fault. It gets to infantile levels of accusation ... even when the Ukrainian world-view falls apart, truths come out etc. The capability of denial of reality is truly amazing.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 4 2022 13:44 utc | 29

Amnesty suddenly finding that Ukrainian army put bases all over civilian areas, including public buildings, comes as a surprise. Probable reason is that some in the Borg/Blog/Establishment/Deep State see the coming failure and prepare the ground to disengage, or to muddle a bit the waters so that negotiations and a deal between Ukraine and Russia won't be seen as a scandalous betrayal by the idiots who've eaten up the propaganda - Ukraine isn't a pure white knight so it's not the end of the world if they suffer a bit and can't get all that it wants in the peace deal.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 13:53 utc | 30

" Volodymyr Zelenskyy Saidthat he wants to "directly" talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping about the conflict in Ukraine.

Yes and I bet he wants to offer sincere apologies on his bended knees for the situation at Motor Sich !

Wikipedia

In the administration of President Donald Trump, Washington added Skyrizon to a Military End-User (MEU) List. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy then signed a decree, imposing sanctions on Chinese, the company responded a $3.5 billion arbitration case.[7] On 11 March 2021, the Ukrainian government announced that it confirmed to nationalize Motor Sich and buy back shares from Chinese holders.[8] Oleksiy Danilov explained the government's decision is to "return Motor Sich to the Ukrainian people", "investors will be compensated" he added.[9]

In May 2021, Ukraine is in discussions with Turkey to sell the company, it was reported a 50% stake to a Turkish company since it became a major buyer of Turboshaft engines for its Bayraktar TB2 and Bayraktar Akinci drones, and TAI T929 ATAK 2 helicopter.[10][11] Director-General of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Bohuslayev noted that a $100 million loan from China needs to be repaid in 2026.[12]

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:34 utc | 31

Scholz visited the Siemens factory and told the world, with a straight face, that it is again all Russia`s fault that the device has not yet been shipped to Russia

Scholz rules an Unrechtsstaat self-evidently.

In a Rechtsstaat the CTA-65. (RR-Trent) compressor was shipped FROM RUSSIA to CANADA for servicing using Letters of Credit for payment issued by a Bank.

However what was shipped to CANADA from RUSSIA was not returned. Instead a compressor was shipped from a Siemens facility in Canada to a Siemens facility in Muelheim. The OWNER has not received his property back and the Bank which issued the LoC disputes payment since there is NO Customs Paperwork showing the return of the compressor from CANADA to RUSSIA.

Whatever Siemens in Mulheim chooses to ship to Russia is not the compressor shipped to Canada. Therefore it may be a NEW IMPORT subject to taxation and customs duties as an export from GERMANY.

The situation should be apparent to a LAWYER - Scholz however has a strange approach to law just as his Finance Minister (which he once was) has a very strange approach to Customs Formalities and Banking Law.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:40 utc | 32

Re rk’s post (#25):

Metabiota also linked to Biden corruption in Ukraine. Neocon NY Post cites Hunter Biden emails.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/hunter-biden-played-role-in-funding-us-bio-labs-contractor-in-ukraine-e-mails/amp/

https://tass.com/politics/1466333/amp

https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/266272

Posted by: Ciaran | Aug 4 2022 14:48 utc | 33

Gazprom would love for the turbine to be shipped to Russia but unfortunately, Western sanctions are preventing this. It seems sanctions can cut both ways.


"The sanctions regimes of Canada, the EU, the UK and a mismatch of the current situation with the existing contractual obligations by the Siemens side make delivery of the 073 engine to the Portovaya compressor station impossible," Gazprom said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-sanctions-make-delivery-nord-stream-turbine-impossible-2022-08-03/

Posted by: aquileia | Aug 4 2022 14:58 utc | 34

Posted by: xn | Aug 4 2022 12:46 utc | 22

It is always bemusing to watch tourists wander around historical structures oblivious to the history that defined how they were designed or why..........

Art 21.1 Basic Law,
political parties participate in forming the political will of the people; they can be founded
freely. Art 21 Basic Law confers the status of a constitutional institution to parties and
22) acknowledges them as necessary instruments in the formation of the political will

Postwar Germany was created with Parties being the expression of the popular will !

It is a Leninist System with two or more parties but their role is "to lead the public" in the direction desired.

It is NOT a bottom-up system.

The Parties have merged into The State and fused into ownership and control of Media and Bureaucracy. Civil Servants sit as MPs.

Bishops are paid as Civil Servants by The State.

Party Dictatorship is what Germany has but the fragmentation of the parties (the highest number since Weimar Republic) has disintegrated their control

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 15:01 utc | 35

Both USAF and US Navy still continue to spy in the Black Sea.

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 15:05 utc | 36

re. US authorizing Ukraine atrocities
https://www.rt.com/russia/560073-us-ukrainian-war-crimes/

I suspect an aspect of these very efficient weapons, is that they incorporate intelligence. They use US space based intelligent assets for planning and guidance. This requires authorization of some sort for access and use of resources - implicit authorization and with it culpability.

Posted by: jared | Aug 4 2022 15:15 utc | 38

US is quite far away from home

Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 15:25 utc | 39

Look at what the cat dragged in:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-more-700-british-firms-blacklisted-ukraine-suspicious-activity/

report published in May 2020.

Posted by: Pundita | Aug 4 2022 15:39 utc | 40

I think the West has a motif to end the war in UA and freeze the status quo of land gains. Three US multinationals bought recently 17 million hectares of agrarian land in Ukraine. That's as much as in the whole of Italy. In Germany, this would be worth 400+ billion Euros (26,800 EUR avg. price). According to BRICS, US corporations meanwhile own 30% of arable land in UA.
I’m not informed where exactly in UA that land is located. Does anyone know/have a map?
I speculate: (1) If it is in Novorossia, the vultures can write it off. It might even be that the avoidance of this loss is a big driver behind the announced UAF offensive in the south. (2) The promise of a land reform by RU can sway opinions in the upcoming plebiscites even more in their favor.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41

The basketball player who smuggled some dope into Russia has been sentence to 9 years hard time.

She‘s lucky she didn’t try to smuggle the same amount of dope into the US, she‘d be looking at 20 years Federal crime.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2022 16:07 utc | 42

"That Dima fool" extracts through his language skills a great deal of information that us in the west will never see. Obviously we have to balance what we see and hear. Like b running this website it is an enourmous amount of work and I appreciate the attempt at reaching reality.

The official narritve vs. reality.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 4 2022 16:19 utc | 43

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy Said that he wants to "directly" talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping"
I have heard about Zelensky wanting to speak directly to many people, it's all about him, he is a narcissist (and a sociopath).

Posted by: Tom | Aug 4 2022 16:24 utc | 44

@Benedict,

Spot on, my position exactly. Although I am surprised if you ever thought Bellendcat a repiable source.

Posted by: Lonkal | Aug 4 2022 16:49 utc | 45

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:40 utc | 33;
Thanks for explaining the compressor situation. I could not understand what was happening there. Always blaming the Russians. It never ends.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 44;
Reading this blog I am surprised about the aditional information about Ukraine is
showing up. A lot of Ukraining lands and US money involved here...

Posted by: DutchZ | Aug 4 2022 16:50 utc | 46

Oh great, now these fools are saying it's disgusting that Amnesty is accusing them of endangering civilians and that it should be aware Russia is the big bad invader and aggressor, and is the main culprit. Apparently, these jerks didn't notice that all parties have to follow the rules according to international treaties.
And Z-man is stating it's ridiculous that Schroeder claims that the Big Bad invader wants to negotiate an end to the war.
This fucking country is led by suicidal morons. And Western media are a pile of shit - any country whose representatives are that dense and terrible, refusing negotiations because they want to "win the war", not giving any fuck to their dead civilians, their dead soldiers, and the fact EU will foot the bill and is stupidly sacrificing its economy for them, should be blamed for being a bunch of barking mad lunatics, not people who deserve praise in Vogue. Fuck our media, they're trash.
Last but not least, when will any Western political leader have the guts to tell it like it is: Ukrainian leadership should STFU, beggars can't be choosers, they're not in a position of strength to make demands, they're only good to get on their knees and beg; if they can't do that but act arrogantly as they've been doing for months, then the West should fully dump them and tell Putin to do whatever he wants with the whole bloody country.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 17:13 utc | 47

OttoE@41 - Re: Corp. land purchases in Ukraine "I’m not informed where exactly in UA that land is located. Does anyone know/have a map?"

Ukraine probably has a partial map of sales, but publishing it would cause riots - even in western-held areas of the country. A substantial amount of state land was privatized within the regions unbeknownst to the national government. There is no single place to go for centralized records, maps or statistics and they probably conflict with one another anyway. Think 'post-Soviet theft of state assets pre-Putin in Russia'. Farmland sales *to foreigners* is extremely unpopular with Ukrainians (80% opposed), yet Zelenski signed the decree in 2021 at the behest of his western carpetbagger oligarch owners. The potential grift and bribe income for Z was too much to resist, but there were many more layers of corrupt Ukrainian officials involved.

One can reasonably infer where this farmland theft is occurring by looking at a soil map of Ukraine. The most sought after land has the rich, deep, fertile chernozem soil. We call it 'black dirt' in the U.S. Midwest and West-Central Canada, but Ukraine/Russian chernozem is more dark brown or chestnut. That is a swath of land that extends from central Ukraine to central Russia. It runs right through the Donbass region. It includes pretty much all of Ukraine except for land along its northern and western regions.

Example map here: https://cdnsciencepub.com/cms/10.4141/cjss2010-058/asset/images/large/cjss2010-058f3.jpeg

Source: https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.4141/cjss2010-058

A good background that enabled foreign corporation's land theft scheme in Ukraine in this publication: The breadbasket of the world? Agricultural development in Ukraine

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48

I think the West has a motif to end the war in UA and freeze the status quo of land gains. ... According to BRICS, US corporations meanwhile own 30% of arable land in UA.
...
Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41

Nicely put.

There’s also the question of taking Odessa and linking up with Transnistria, which would lock NATO out of the whole Ukrainian coast, regulate all Ukrainian sea access and improve beyond recognition the security situation in Transnistria. It’d also give RF a friendly road / rail / sea corridor all the way to the EU border.

However, the damage to what’s left of Ukraine would be immense, I’d be surprised if there weren’t serious fireworks if things go that way ... and I can’t see how they won’t!

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 17:26 utc | 49

A round up of what's happening with, and to, those foreign mercenaries captured in the DPR.


https://ria.ru/20220804/naemniki-1807327638.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 17:53 utc | 50

anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 17:26 utc | 51

That is exactly how is going to happen, no exit to any sea. Those areas will be filled with missiles for the Romanian base. I don't know the Transnistria plan. If Moldova stops receiving nato weapons they'll leave it as is I think. But Moldova US puppet president woman seems to have other plans. In that case Moldova might shrink or disappear since nato is pushing Romania to eat them. Suddenly they remembered they are "brothers". They don't remember the "brothers" from Ukr land, just Moldova. Very selective memory

Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 17:57 utc | 51

Another hard hitting reason why Zelensky might be seeking to find a way to end this conflict.

" About 10% of military professionals have remained in the Ukrainian army in Donbass since the start of the special operation in Ukraine and the Kiev regime has to replenish troops with reservists and mercenaries, Deputy Information Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) Daniil Bezsonov said on Thursday.

"Of those military professionals that the Ukrainian army had in Donbass at the outset, not more than 10% have remained on our territory," he said in a live broadcast on the Soloviev Live television channel.

The larger part of the Ukrainian troops is represented by reservists and mercenaries. The militants who were positioned on the territory of the Donbass republics before the beginning of Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine were either killed, taken prisoner or wounded, Bezsonov said.

"The number of their troops now at the front line has declined dramatically and that is why they may experience a serious breakdown," he added.

Ukrainian soldiers may at any time abandon their positions and then the allied forces of the Russian army and the Donbass republics will advance very quickly, the deputy information minister said."


https://tass.com/world/1489401

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 17:58 utc | 52

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy Said that he wants to "directly" talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping"

Watch out, President Xi. It’s probably Vovan and Lexus.

If it isn’t, I hope Xi tells him to fu-off.

Posted by: Heh | Aug 4 2022 18:00 utc | 53

Europe cuts off its nose to spite its face, and later Russia will be blamed for it.


"Russia's energy giant Gazprom says the sanctions imposed by the West against Moscow have made it impossible for the company to receive a turbine needed to keep gas flowing to Europe.

Gazprom said on Wednesday that the delivery of the turbine needed to stream gas to Europe via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline was impossible because of the anti-Russia sanctions.

"The sanctions regimes of Canada, the EU, the UK and a mismatch of the current situation with the existing contractual obligations by the Siemens side make delivery of the 073 engine to the Portovaya compressor station impossible," the Russian state-run organization said in a statement."


https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/08/04/686757/Russia-Gazprom-Western-sanctions-make-gas-turbine-delivery-impossible

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 18:02 utc | 54

OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41
PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48

I want to thank you both for the extremely interesting and important information about land purchases in Ukraine. If my memory serves me right, OttoE, introduced this subject some time earlier, so I want to acknowledge that.
The purchasing of farm land is a crucial matter always, with great societal implications. The situation in Ukraine, as described in these two posts, is not only relevant for Ukraine and its future, but also to our common future because it seems to be connected to, or a part of, the current drive to dispossess our farmers and hand food production totally to corporations. That must be stopped.

Posted by: JB | Aug 4 2022 18:05 utc | 55

Question to MoA posters:

What is the situation at Zaporhizhzia? Is Rosatom running operations of the nuclear reactors/power plant? Can you provide a source for such information?

The same questions apply for Chernobyl; who is in charge, is the plant operating, who is running operations at the reactors/plant?

The BBC states IAEA says Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant out of control

thanks in advance.

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 18:25 utc | 56

For a comprehensive summary of historical events that have brought us to this place in time I recommend this analysis by Jacques Baud;

https://www.thepostil.com/the-hidden-truth-about-the-war-in-ukraine/?utm_source=sendfox&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-postil-august-newsletter

Having read this no-one can not know where the blame lays.

Posted by: Butties | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 57

@Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:25 utc | 58

https://forbes.ua/

Posted by: too scents | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 58

OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41
PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48
JB | Aug 4 2022 18:05 utc | 56

So if Russia takes Kharkiv and the land east of the Dnipr R (plus Odessa) then the land grab will fail. All the best agricultural land plus all port facilities will be in Russian hands.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:30 utc | 59

Re: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48

Thanks for the information. On May 22, 2022, The Australian National Review published this article:
Three Large American Multinationals Bought 17 Million Hectares of Ukrainian Agricultural Land

For comparison, there are 16.7 million hectares of agricultural land in all of Italy. So it turns out that three American companies bought more useful agricultural land in Ukraine than there is in all of Italy.

The entire area of Ukraine is 600,000 sq. km, 170,000 sq. km is 28% of all the land in Ukraine.


Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 60

From: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1139007 sourced from https://t.me/s/rustroyka1945 (translated from the Russian):

Abstracts from Zaluzhny's report for President of All Ukraine Zelensky appeared in the Ukrainian segment of the Telegram. The essence is Achtung on Achtung, and is driven by Achtung.
Judge for yourself:
- The staffing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remains at the level of 43-48%, despite the mobilization;
- Losses among military personnel - more than 191 thousand killed and wounded;
- More than 80% of the reservists from the fifth wave of mobilization have already been killed, wounded or deserted;
- Statistics on missing persons are not maintained;
- Medicine is working to the limit, the seriously wounded are taken through Poland for treatment in Germany, France, Italy and other countries;
- Stocks of small arms and bulletproof vests are sorely lacking, one out of three servicemen is equipped and ready for combat operations, while the rest have to fight with whatever they have;
- Payments to the mobilized at the place of civilian work have stopped, combat delays (these) up to three months;
- The resource of some samples of equipment transferred by the allies is ending. We are talking mainly about the first batches of the American M777, M109, and, oddly enough, the fairly new Panzerhaubitse 2000 and MARS II;
- Lack of qualified specialists in the operation of Western weapons. Trained military personnel work 24/7 and cannot physically be in multiple locations. For this reason, equipment is trusted by people without a deep understanding of the materiel, therefore, breakdowns occur due to improper operation;
- Problem with consumables, especially hydraulics and liquid nitrogen, required for M777 howitzers. In addition, the titanium design of the gun requires special conditions for repair;
- In the field, an automated fire control system does not last long, fragments and dust are killed quickly enough; there are no opportunities for repairs on the spot, you have to send it to Poland, where there are spare parts and specialists."

Author's comment:
This is a bomb!

Screenshot of the reaction to the report:

It is known to everyone in the General Staff that the report of the commander-in-chief provoked from Zelensky irritation and, to put it mildly, hysterics. The President rudely demanded not to play it safe, to stop sowing panic and to organize a counteroffensive in the east of the country. In short, he somehow received this report in an deluded manner. If he does not want to decide such things, then we must take matters into our own hands. I hope for understanding and that everyone will know about this, and not just Zaluzhny and Zelensky. Glory to Ukraine!

Posted by: MILLER | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 61

Interesting that the Saudis are involved in the land scam - along with the US (PavewayIV's link). The Saudis could probably make a deal with Russia, the US likely no.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:34 utc | 62

Posted by: too scents | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 61

"Forbes" - the pointy end of the spear! Long overdue that this shitter gets flushed. Where the western rats will run is the only remaining open question.

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:44 utc | 63

Report that PMC has entered Bachmut.

https://twitter.com/DeuNachrichten/status/1555253722917523456

Wagner #PMC, supported by RF Forces´ artillery, broke the #AFU defenses and managed to enter Artemovsk/#Bachmut. Fighting is now taking place on Patrice Lumumba Street.

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:47 utc | 64

Military Summary just mentioned some news regarding biolab and coronavirus and monkey pox and I quickly checked tass web site:

https://tass.com/society/1489457

"Differences in coronavirus lethality suggest it is man-made — Russian Defense Ministry" mentioned Jeffrey Sachs.

Anybody has more news/sources..? Would be a bombshell. All of a sudden it makes sense the Chinese are so restrictive letting people into the country.

Posted by: C | Aug 4 2022 18:50 utc | 65

MILLER | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 64

Zelenskys hysterical reaction is so.... end of a WWII personality deep in a Bunker in Berlin. They will probably make another film about it afterwards.

On the other hand, now that the real situation is becoming "public", it may ALSO explain why Twitter has shut down so many Russian accounts for no apparent reason in the last few days.. (Hide the truth)
****

All that is left is the car chase as Zelesky tries to excape to Xiland.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 4 2022 18:50 utc | 66

Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 67

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 17:13 utc | 47

Brilliant. Thank you.

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Aug 4 2022 19:07 utc | 68

Ukraine lacks the munitions and fuel reserves to fully mobilize its paper strength. It has to fight this with some 250,000 and shrinking.

Posted by: Cesare | Aug 4 2022 19:11 utc | 69

Graham Phillips, mostlikely sanctioned due to his interview with Aidan, an interview Aidan askeded for, and interviews Aidan gave to other journalists besides Graham, but it was Graham who without a warning lost all his belongings inside England. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blzn-ncfQ8

Posted by: Thor | Aug 4 2022 19:38 utc | 70

Gee, and now the Prime Minister announces "Mass privatization of assets and facilities across Ukraine". Yeah, as if it wasn't clear enough that this war was also a Western Big Buginess power and land grab...

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 19:40 utc | 71

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73

Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately.

I've come to figure that Russia is going to take the entire coast. Odessa was always a target (score to settle). Russia cannot allow the West to have a presence in the Black Sea. It's likely the potential threat of the West jumping in to keep this from happening that has Russia actually committing a reasonable number of its actual troops into to area: I thought I heard something like 30 battalions, regular RF forces; Russia is going to ensure the elimination of future threats from/by the West.

Ukraine: "Closed. Undergoing renovation. New management soon."... (the West was unable to manage it, so Russia is repossessing [most of] it)

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 19:47 utc | 72

It is sad to see the Morning Star in the UK repeating the Kiev line in both its story and its selection of a provocative headline. Sad that the formerly Communist newspaper can't smell a fascist government when it runs across one.
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/russia-shells-more-cities-as-amnesty-says-ukraine-is-endangering-civilians-with-attacks-from-residential-areas

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 19:49 utc | 73

Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73

Seconded, the coast is absolutely critical to RF and the US-NAZO Axis.

Unless the situation is somehow defused (I can’t see how), I’d expect strong Yankee directed escalation against any serious move by RF against Odessa: HIMARS, maybe other anti-ship or long rage weapons, targeting high-ranking RF officers (again), maybe increasingly risky hits near a NPP, any other nasty trash, the usual US diaper fudge.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 19:55 utc | 74

the pessimist@62 - "So if Russia takes Kharkiv and the land east of the Dnipr R (plus Odessa) then the land grab will fail. All the best agricultural land plus all port facilities will be in Russian hands."

I'm afraid its far more complicated than that even if that territory become part of Russia. There's a pretty good chance of that, but Putin hasn't announced anything besides Donetsk and Luhansk joining the Russian Federation. Even if all the eastern and southern oblasts join Russia, there's still the legal mess of who really owns the land and if western corporation purchases were even legal.

Ukraine maintained the old Soviet model of the state owning all farmland which was only leased to the farmers. Control of some of that land was transferred (under dubious circumstances with little or no documentation) to sub-regions, oblasts or oligarch fiefdoms. Some of it went to farming collectives. Even before Ukraine 'allowed' privatization (2021), a lot of the land was either sold outright or once again transferred to sub-regions, corporate collectives, various oligarchies or western interests. Farmers have some legal rights to their historical land (leases) but that's not even clear.

Since there is no centralized land title repository or clear land transfer laws, it will take decades of legal nonsense to determine ownership or future transfer rights. I suppose Russia could just nationalize all the farmland and start from scratch. Might be easier that way but I can't imagine Russia doing that. They like their law and order, rules and bureaucracy - not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Whatever they do, Cargill, ADM and the other Agri-Mafia players will scream bloody murder if their booty is threatened.

Russia faced somewhat the same problem in Crimea, but I haven't seen any detailed discussion of how they resolved all the issues of land (specifically farmland) ownership.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 19:57 utc | 75

Zelensky is not running this war as the leader of a nation in conflict. He is a paid actor and director managing the 'Ukraine Show' for NATO. Why? The West sabotages national sovereignty by failing states, balkanising them and installing criminals and warlords as pliable agents. This creates the ideal environment for organised theft of resources via IMF, etc. The terms of the 2017 World Bank loan to Ukraine of $17B handed over 20M Ha of land to large capital and Monsanto. The West wants to do the same to China (split off Xinjiang, etc) and Russia. Anywhere there's a sovereign government managing its resources in the interests of its population, the US intervenes with a color revolution, etc etc.

Zelensky is merely the show director. He gets told to run an offensive here, Vogue shoot there, change of narrative there. He and Arestovich are TV producers and PR men, not interested in military reality. The Russians on the other hand want a viable Ukraine, either sovereign or reintegrated into the RF. It is in the interests of Ukraine that Russia clean out the Augean stable there.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2022 20:03 utc | 76

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73

Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately.

Prediction: Russia will have to start a move toward Odessa before Donbass is completely liberated. Continuing the war after the liberation of the Donetsk People's Republic will become politically difficult, especially if Ukraine sues for peace.

Someone speculated, that international pressure from allies could force Russia to end the liberation of Novorossiya prematurely. But the danger would only materialize, if someone in Kiev had the brains to cede Donbass and propose peace along the current frontlines. Besides, the speculation was done before Nancy Pelosi guaranteed China's unwavering support for the Special Military Operation.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 20:23 utc | 77

Re: Dima at military summary, he’s not perfect but like everyone else putting this sort of information out he’s aggregating and providing opinion. His aggregation is better than most because he speaks the language and that makes him good at parsing the info that’s out there. I appreciate the fact that he can pronounce the names of places and he’s very forthright that he’s giving his opinion of what might happen next and why he thinks so. Everybody’s been wrong more than we’ve been right in predicting future events in Ukraine and especially the details and timelines.

Analyze the analysts and learn what is worth taking from them. Same goes for Ritter, our host here and ourselves.

Re: US responsibility for Covid, I remember taking to friends about the lab leak hypothesis. I was agnostic and a lot of friends convinced. My only statement was that if it was engineered and escaped a lab, it was almost certainly a US lab. Because we have the longest history of not only playing with such dangerous toys but using them and a real bad history of lab safety. I’m still not convinced it was a lab leak but that’s always been a possibility in my mind. The bio lab revelations Russia has been putting out go a long way to confirm the Bulgarian journalist’s work predating the SMO and I’ll add that per of the reason was likely getting around US laws on experimenting on people. That sort of work would have to go through IRB review, which was developed following WWII and the Nuremberg trials.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 4 2022 20:25 utc | 78

Steven Starr@59 - "What is the situation at Zaporhizhzia? Is Rosatom running operations of the nuclear reactors/power plant? Can you provide a source for such information?"

My view in this reply yesterday:
Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 5:38 utc | 228
from https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-sitrep-on-the-ground-report-ukrainian-frontline-collapses.html#more

The only sources are the IAEA, Energoatom (state regulator), Zaporizhia NPP administration and Russia.

As Paul Greenwood pointed out in the next comment, "The IAEA is not impartial and not immune from US influence." So read their comments with that in mind. The IAEA seems oblivious to Ukraine using armed drones to attack Russians at the plant, blaming 'both sides' for endangering the plant. Also note Westinghouse (U.S.) was in the process of replacing all the plant's Rosatom fuel rods with its own "to reduce dependence on Russian nuclear fuel". They have to be crying in their soup nowadays - Zaporizhia was a real cash cow for that trainwreck of a company.

Energoatom has an axe to grind with Russia for stealing 'their' nuclear plant, so expect the usual Ukrainian hyperbole. Zaporizhia administration is a mixed bag. Some are fine with being run by Rosatom, some hate it and others don't care. All of them are worried about their jobs. The engineers that haven't left probably don't care much either way - Rosatom has no need to replace them and their salaries in Rubles will be far higher. Energoatom and the electric sector in Ukraine is as horribly corrupt as the rest of it. Russia has undoubtedly cut into their bribe and grift-fueled cashflow for now. Maybe forever.

Russia has said little about Zaporizhia except some general comment about Rosatom taking over operations sometimes this month. I'm confident that Russia won't let the place melt down in the meantime.

And if Ukraine HAD a covert nuclear weapons program supported by the U.S. or U.K., then expect all hell to break loose. Consider the western doomsday spin in that context.


No idea about Chernobyl, but the place is shut down and poses little danger. It still requires a significant workforce to secure the nuclear materials, secure the plant and monitor the wreckage, but nothing is going to blow up there.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 20:28 utc | 79

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 20:23 utc | 85

Prediction: Russia will have to start a move toward Odessa before Donbass is completely liberated. Continuing the war after the liberation of the Donetsk People's Republic will become politically difficult, especially if Ukraine sues for peace.

Someone speculated, that international pressure from allies could force Russia to end the liberation of Novorossiya prematurely. But the danger would only materialize, if someone in Kiev had the brains to cede Donbass and propose peace along the current frontlines. Besides, the speculation was done before Nancy Pelosi guaranteed China's unwavering support for the Special Military Operation.

I think you've nailed it. This is why Russia appears to be really ramping up. I had a sense that they want to make a move as soon as possible but I wasn't sure exactly what the main driver was/is (and you appear to have figured it out).

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 20:37 utc | 80

Haven't seen this posted on this site:

TG 823: The Gaggle Talks to Professor Michael Hudson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2LS6pEs5YU

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2022 20:42 utc | 81

Google Trends gives you an idea of where things are going.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=donate%20ukraine

Here is the story for 'donate Ukraine' as the search terms. The map shows who reached for their wallets and who did not. Language is a thing, so I am sure the people of Belarus were more generous in reality than 'trends' would have you believe.

Sadly for the Ukrainians, nobody is raising money for them. Their cause is a sadly lost one. There is a wall of artillery crossing the country and it is sad to think everything will get destroyed, and it isn't just material stuff. The price of liberation was never cheap.

Posted by: P J | Aug 4 2022 20:56 utc | 82

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 4 2022 21:00 utc | 92

Couldn't be any more damning evidence than this!

As I've long said: ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES.

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 21:18 utc | 83

PavewayIV @48--

Good luck finding any land in Ukraine with clear title. Transferring title from one generation to the next here is a mess--you follow all of what you're told are the correct procedures only to discover later when the Title Company does its work that what you did wasn't correct despite what the county clerk's office told you. I see Ukraine adopting "Hillbilly/Old West Title" where you hold your loaded shotgun and say to anyone asking that this is my land, No Trespassing or you'll be shot.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2022 21:27 utc | 84

I will say that I haven't encountered so many "slava Ukraina" slogans or Ukrainian flags lately, for whatever that is worth (US). i hope it means americans are seeing through the bullshit, but it may just be short attention spans.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 21:51 utc | 85

The basketball player who smuggled some dope into Russia has been sentence to 9 years hard time.

She‘s lucky she didn’t try to smuggle the same amount of dope into the US, she‘d be looking at 20 years Federal crime.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2022 16:07 utc | 42

You must not live in the US.

Female Negro lesbians don't get charged with anything here.

Poor things are oppressed, remember?

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 86

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 100

dunno about the lesbian angle, but female black people get prosecuted and harassed and even killed by cops more often than white females, by race.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 22:03 utc | 87

@Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 20:37 utc | 88

I think you've nailed it. This is why Russia appears to be really ramping up. I had a sense that they want to make a move as soon as possible but I wasn't sure exactly what the main driver was/is (and you appear to have figured it out).

I think also for domestic import, the Russian military needs to show some more significant successes otherwise the population may start to sour on a long grinding war. In the Donbass, the Russians have achieved what they wanted by sucking in as much of the Ukie army as possible. Now the "slow" part of the plan needs to be changed to the "fast" part. If Russia can advance on Dnipro from both sides of the Dnieper, taking Krivoy Riy and Zaporizhzia on the way, the Ukrainians in the south are finished. Another possibility is a drive from Izyum to Dnipro. With the Ukrainian reserves fully utilized and fixed in place, and Ukrainian army morale plummeting, any such moves would collapse the regime and the military. The Russians have overwhelming amounts of reserves to utilize if they want to, and Belarus could make things much, much worse if they attacked from the north.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 4 2022 22:08 utc | 88

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73

Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately.

I name you The Optimist.

I don't think the US will allow peace to break out, the last 30 years have taught us they need permanent enemies. Russia and China are it.

I don't think any Ukrainian president can agree to losing Donbass. Zelensky would not live long if he signed a treaty like that. Too many oligarch assets are in the east, and the ultra-nationalist ideology they've been promoting still has plenty of trigger pullers.

So I don't think there's going to be a peace deal, world peace is none of our business, in fact. There will be a ceasefire, which NATO will hope to use as a few years to rearm Western Ukraine before going on the attack. In the meantime, Ukraine will be a frozen conflict like in Cyprus or Korea. The war will stop at some point, but we won't have peace in our time.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 89

Military Update Summary (8-4-22) claims that Russia has "officially" accused the USA of intentionally spreading both, monkeyox and covid-19 according to documents recovered in Ukraine during Russian military conquest. I cannot locate any sources to confirm this. However, Russia has previously accused USA of spreading monkeypox beginning in Africa.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA/videos

Posted by: Pantee Inawad | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 90

Seer and Roger

Shoigu ordered a stepping up of counter battery operation due to the heavy shelling of civilian areas Donetsk city and other towns. The results of the stepped up counter battery operations Shoigu ordered can be seen in b's recent Ukraine sitrep.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 22:13 utc | 91

For all the work Amnesty has done for the Empire, this is rich: "Zelensky accuses Amnesty International of supporting terrorism" RT reports. "Amnesty has stuck by its report that Ukrainian forces endangered civilians."

I know one side of this was discussed up thread, but Z hadn't put his foot in his mouth yet. Chalk up another Imperial asset going against Z--Ukraine's Saddam.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2022 22:14 utc | 92

Normally a country must have a register of ownership of its land/resources divided into concessions of say one or two square kilometres, latitude and longitude coordinates outlining each boundary. In Angola it's oil, in Niger, uranium. For Ukraine it will be for a number of mineral/metals which must be registered at the Ministry of Mining & Geology and agriculture LAND which will be registered with the Ministry of Agriculture. A visit to both of these Departments should provide details of who owns which concessions. If not then I'm sure the US & UK financial fraud authorities will be all over Ukraine-Gate.

Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 4 2022 22:19 utc | 93

Another Imperial figurehead has put his feet in his mouth yet again as RT reports:

One of NATO’s main goals in the Ukraine conflict is preventing a “full-scale war” with Russia, the alliance’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Thursday.

“In this conflict, NATO has two tasks: supporting Ukraine and preventing the war from escalating into a full-scale war between NATO and Russia,” Stoltenberg said in a speech in Norway.

Someone must inform that fool that NATO support for Ukriane IS waging war on Russia. Poor Jens must be afraid that his home and those of other NATO fascists will be missiled by Russia if the existing war becomes full-scale. Getting too hot for you Jens after all your provocations and dissing of Russia and all thigs Russian. The very sad thing is NATO fascists like Jens ought to be getting shelled to death in Ukraine instead of innocent Ukrainians whose lives NATO is stealing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2022 22:24 utc | 94

bevin | Aug 4 2022 19:49 utc
What used to be the Communist Party of Australia has similarly adopted an absurd "two imperialism" line. It has hardly been noticed but the Eurocommunists have quietly died in their cul de sac of opportunism. Unnoticed and unmourned.

The answer of Xi to the morose clown of Kiev would be 滾開 to be precise

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 4 2022 22:34 utc | 95

Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 100
A tautology, a non sequitur and an absurdity in just one line. Some sort of record even for a Trumpist champ.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 4 2022 22:38 utc | 96

As someone who questions coincidences, though not to generate unfounded conspiracy theories. I am a little bemused by the timing of the failure of Zelensky to give the West a concrete military result and the publication of the Amnesty international report on Ukraine's use of human shields. Of course they have nothing in common directly. How could it be? I guess its just one thing after another! How much bad luck can you get, maybe Xi has the answers!

Posted by: Zugzwang1 | Aug 4 2022 22:43 utc | 97

RE: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 20:28 utc | 87

Thank you.

Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 22:50 utc | 98

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2022 22:47 utc | 115

I think that supply chain "challenges" are going to be here long before then, thanks to Pelosi's monkey business in Taiwan.

Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 22:51 utc | 99

@ZX | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 104

"So I don't think there's going to be a peace deal"

I don't think there will be a peace deal except, at some point, on Russia's terms. I wasn't suggesting there would be one, just that if it appears that Russia is preparing to take Odessa that there would be loud noises from the US advocating for one. Ukraine is not useful to them without access to the Black Sea.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 22:52 utc | 100

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