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August 4, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-122
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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I’m surprised that AI actually complained about this being mainly a Western controlled body. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:06 utc | 1 Does Zelensky know the games up but he cannot do anything because Biden runs the show, is this why he’s reaching out in possibly an attempt to try and end the conflict. If anyone could barter a cessation to hostilities it would be Jingping. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2 Republicofscotland no 1 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 4 2022 10:17 utc | 3 If the link in 1 doesn’t work (or is banned in your country) try this onehttps://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ukraine-military-endangering-civilians-locating-forces-residential-areas-new Posted by: Sir Henry Rawlinson | Aug 4 2022 10:18 utc | 4 Oh ffs Spriteer got suspended again – Twitter propaganda has lost its mind like the Mad Hatter – seek out the others who are alive. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2022 10:26 utc | 5 Today military Summary channel stated that the ukies moved 60% of their artillery out of the donbas towards the south for an offensive. Posted by: BurnEye Minds3rdEye | Aug 4 2022 10:29 utc | 6 DunGroanin, Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2022 10:39 utc | 7 Sir Henry no 4 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 4 2022 10:46 utc | 8 Posted by: mm6 | Aug 4 2022 10:46 utc | 9 Ouch. This from the The Telegraph..
Ukraine’s mask is slipping.. Posted by: Pat Bateman | Aug 4 2022 10:56 utc | 10 initially i read AI as “artificial intelligence” (goddamn maybe it is conscious). a while back one of the ngo’s actually labelled Israeli treatment of Palestinians as genocide. maybe some of the NGO’s are developing a conscience, but that seems less likely than HAL becoming woke. Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 11:05 utc | 11 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 11:12 utc | 12 Bypassing EU censorship
(Copy the line above and paste it to your address bar.) Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 11:19 utc | 13 Sky News segment blast Zelensky
https://facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/zelensky-not-all-hes-portrayed-as-by-western-media-bernardi/530906308807009/ Posted by: Zanon | Aug 4 2022 11:36 utc | 14 Isn’t life fun? The South Korean guy is treating Nancy like a bad smell and Zelensky wants to talk to the Chinese guy. Presumably not about weapons donations. So great job, folks. And in the meantime it looks like VVP is getting ready to administer condign punishment to NATO. Not just administer it but very publicly administer it. I wonder has the Chinese guy thought of re-instituting kowtowing. Actual kowtowing, not the metaphorical kind. Just for US leaders visiting. VVP should consider it as well. Posted by: Jackie Gleeson | Aug 4 2022 11:42 utc | 15 USAF a Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk spying over Black sea Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 11:43 utc | 16 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:10 utc | 2 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2022 11:44 utc | 17 Looks to me like Zelensky is under Western orders and all the West cares about at the moment is hanging on to Odessa so moving troops south makes sense, if that is right. Posted by: Theophilus | Aug 4 2022 11:55 utc | 18 BureEye#6….he didn’t move any artillery, it’s been destroyed. Luckily for the Ukraine, they are winnnnning. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 4 2022 11:56 utc | 19 @Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 10:06 utc | 1 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Aug 4 2022 11:59 utc | 20 I’m still surprised every time I hear either someone from ‘the left’ call Russia’s liberation attempts an “invasion”, or when I hear someone convinced that the 9 years of DonBass terror is “a Russian lie”. Seriously, both are so obviously wrong, yet upper class highly regarded media keep trying to brainwash me into believing their lies. It fails on me, because I’ve been following Julian Assange, Afshin Rattansi. Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley, George Eliason, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Alina Lipp, Patrick Lancaster, Johnny Miller, Roman Kosarev for years longer than when the so-called ‘Russian invasion’ started. Posted by: Benedict | Aug 4 2022 12:02 utc | 21 @5 DunGroanin Posted by: xn | Aug 4 2022 12:46 utc | 22 “…Please stop citing that idiotic Military Summary channel….” Posted by: Chicken Man | Aug 4 2022 12:54 utc | 23 Benedict | Aug 4 2022 12:02 utc | 21 Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 12:55 utc | 24 Interesting and long briefing today about Ukr biolabs. Very small parts of it: Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 13:09 utc | 25 “That Dima fool”is the only independent analyst covering this conflict that really understands both Russian tactics and is familiar with the terrain and conditions on the ground in Ukraine. Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 4 2022 13:10 utc | 26 I meant to try to add something meaningful to this discussion today but can only come up with, great job everybody! Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 4 2022 13:26 utc | 27 I meant to say “the hammer is posed to strike and will do so without warning.” In other words, the gun is cocked and loaded. Peace! Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 4 2022 13:31 utc | 28 NS2 Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 4 2022 13:44 utc | 29 Amnesty suddenly finding that Ukrainian army put bases all over civilian areas, including public buildings, comes as a surprise. Probable reason is that some in the Borg/Blog/Establishment/Deep State see the coming failure and prepare the ground to disengage, or to muddle a bit the waters so that negotiations and a deal between Ukraine and Russia won’t be seen as a scandalous betrayal by the idiots who’ve eaten up the propaganda – Ukraine isn’t a pure white knight so it’s not the end of the world if they suffer a bit and can’t get all that it wants in the peace deal. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 13:53 utc | 30 ” Volodymyr Zelenskyy Saidthat he wants to “directly” talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping about the conflict in Ukraine. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:34 utc | 31 Scholz visited the Siemens factory and told the world, with a straight face, that it is again all Russia`s fault that the device has not yet been shipped to Russia Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:40 utc | 32 Re rk’s post (#25): Posted by: Ciaran | Aug 4 2022 14:48 utc | 33 Gazprom would love for the turbine to be shipped to Russia but unfortunately, Western sanctions are preventing this. It seems sanctions can cut both ways.
Posted by: aquileia | Aug 4 2022 14:58 utc | 34 Posted by: xn | Aug 4 2022 12:46 utc | 22 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 15:01 utc | 35 Both USAF and US Navy still continue to spy in the Black Sea. Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 15:05 utc | 36 https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2cec34e1 Posted by: rp | Aug 4 2022 15:07 utc | 37 re. US authorizing Ukraine atrocities Posted by: jared | Aug 4 2022 15:15 utc | 38 Look at what the cat dragged in: Posted by: Pundita | Aug 4 2022 15:39 utc | 40 I think the West has a motif to end the war in UA and freeze the status quo of land gains. Three US multinationals bought recently 17 million hectares of agrarian land in Ukraine. That’s as much as in the whole of Italy. In Germany, this would be worth 400+ billion Euros (26,800 EUR avg. price). According to BRICS, US corporations meanwhile own 30% of arable land in UA. Posted by: OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41 The basketball player who smuggled some dope into Russia has been sentence to 9 years hard time. Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2022 16:07 utc | 42 “That Dima fool” extracts through his language skills a great deal of information that us in the west will never see. Obviously we have to balance what we see and hear. Like b running this website it is an enourmous amount of work and I appreciate the attempt at reaching reality. Posted by: circumspect | Aug 4 2022 16:19 utc | 43 “Volodymyr Zelenskyy Said that he wants to “directly” talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping” @Benedict, Posted by: Lonkal | Aug 4 2022 16:49 utc | 45 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 4 2022 14:40 utc | 33; Posted by: DutchZ | Aug 4 2022 16:50 utc | 46 Oh great, now these fools are saying it’s disgusting that Amnesty is accusing them of endangering civilians and that it should be aware Russia is the big bad invader and aggressor, and is the main culprit. Apparently, these jerks didn’t notice that all parties have to follow the rules according to international treaties. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 17:13 utc | 47 OttoE@41 – Re: Corp. land purchases in Ukraine “I’m not informed where exactly in UA that land is located. Does anyone know/have a map?” Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48 I think the West has a motif to end the war in UA and freeze the status quo of land gains. … According to BRICS, US corporations meanwhile own 30% of arable land in UA. Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 17:26 utc | 49 A round up of what’s happening with, and to, those foreign mercenaries captured in the DPR. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 17:53 utc | 50 anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 17:26 utc | 51 Posted by: rk | Aug 4 2022 17:57 utc | 51 Another hard hitting reason why Zelensky might be seeking to find a way to end this conflict. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 17:58 utc | 52 “Volodymyr Zelenskyy Said that he wants to “directly” talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping” Posted by: Heh | Aug 4 2022 18:00 utc | 53 Europe cuts off its nose to spite its face, and later Russia will be blamed for it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2022 18:02 utc | 54 OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41 Posted by: JB | Aug 4 2022 18:05 utc | 55 Question to MoA posters: Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 18:25 utc | 56 For a comprehensive summary of historical events that have brought us to this place in time I recommend this analysis by Jacques Baud; Posted by: Butties | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 57 @Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:25 utc | 58 Posted by: too scents | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 58 OttoE | Aug 4 2022 15:41 utc | 41 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:30 utc | 59 Re: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 17:24 utc | 48 Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 60 From: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1139007 sourced from https://t.me/s/rustroyka1945 (translated from the Russian): Posted by: MILLER | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 61 Interesting that the Saudis are involved in the land scam – along with the US (PavewayIV’s link). The Saudis could probably make a deal with Russia, the US likely no. Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:34 utc | 62 Posted by: too scents | Aug 4 2022 18:28 utc | 61 Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:44 utc | 63 Report that PMC has entered Bachmut.
Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 18:47 utc | 64 Military Summary just mentioned some news regarding biolab and coronavirus and monkey pox and I quickly checked tass web site: Posted by: C | Aug 4 2022 18:50 utc | 65 MILLER | Aug 4 2022 18:33 utc | 64 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 4 2022 18:50 utc | 66 Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately. Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 67 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 17:13 utc | 47 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Aug 4 2022 19:07 utc | 68 Ukraine lacks the munitions and fuel reserves to fully mobilize its paper strength. It has to fight this with some 250,000 and shrinking. Posted by: Cesare | Aug 4 2022 19:11 utc | 69 Graham Phillips, mostlikely sanctioned due to his interview with Aidan, an interview Aidan askeded for, and interviews Aidan gave to other journalists besides Graham, but it was Graham who without a warning lost all his belongings inside England. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blzn-ncfQ8 Posted by: Thor | Aug 4 2022 19:38 utc | 70 Gee, and now the Prime Minister announces “Mass privatization of assets and facilities across Ukraine”. Yeah, as if it wasn’t clear enough that this war was also a Western Big Buginess power and land grab… Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 4 2022 19:40 utc | 71 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73
I’ve come to figure that Russia is going to take the entire coast. Odessa was always a target (score to settle). Russia cannot allow the West to have a presence in the Black Sea. It’s likely the potential threat of the West jumping in to keep this from happening that has Russia actually committing a reasonable number of its actual troops into to area: I thought I heard something like 30 battalions, regular RF forces; Russia is going to ensure the elimination of future threats from/by the West. Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 19:47 utc | 72 It is sad to see the Morning Star in the UK repeating the Kiev line in both its story and its selection of a provocative headline. Sad that the formerly Communist newspaper can’t smell a fascist government when it runs across one. Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2022 19:49 utc | 73 Prediction: If/when the RF makes a clear move toward Odessa the US will start screaming to high heaven that a peace deal is required immediately. Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 4 2022 19:55 utc | 74 the pessimist@62 – “So if Russia takes Kharkiv and the land east of the Dnipr R (plus Odessa) then the land grab will fail. All the best agricultural land plus all port facilities will be in Russian hands.” Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 19:57 utc | 75 Zelensky is not running this war as the leader of a nation in conflict. He is a paid actor and director managing the ‘Ukraine Show’ for NATO. Why? The West sabotages national sovereignty by failing states, balkanising them and installing criminals and warlords as pliable agents. This creates the ideal environment for organised theft of resources via IMF, etc. The terms of the 2017 World Bank loan to Ukraine of $17B handed over 20M Ha of land to large capital and Monsanto. The West wants to do the same to China (split off Xinjiang, etc) and Russia. Anywhere there’s a sovereign government managing its resources in the interests of its population, the US intervenes with a color revolution, etc etc. Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2022 20:03 utc | 76 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73
Prediction: Russia will have to start a move toward Odessa before Donbass is completely liberated. Continuing the war after the liberation of the Donetsk People’s Republic will become politically difficult, especially if Ukraine sues for peace. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 20:23 utc | 77 Re: Dima at military summary, he’s not perfect but like everyone else putting this sort of information out he’s aggregating and providing opinion. His aggregation is better than most because he speaks the language and that makes him good at parsing the info that’s out there. I appreciate the fact that he can pronounce the names of places and he’s very forthright that he’s giving his opinion of what might happen next and why he thinks so. Everybody’s been wrong more than we’ve been right in predicting future events in Ukraine and especially the details and timelines. Posted by: Lex | Aug 4 2022 20:25 utc | 78 Steven Starr@59 – “What is the situation at Zaporhizhzia? Is Rosatom running operations of the nuclear reactors/power plant? Can you provide a source for such information?” Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 20:28 utc | 79 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 4 2022 20:23 utc | 85
I think you’ve nailed it. This is why Russia appears to be really ramping up. I had a sense that they want to make a move as soon as possible but I wasn’t sure exactly what the main driver was/is (and you appear to have figured it out). Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 20:37 utc | 80 Haven’t seen this posted on this site: Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2022 20:42 utc | 81 Google Trends gives you an idea of where things are going. Posted by: circumspect | Aug 4 2022 21:00 utc | 92 Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 21:18 utc | 83 PavewayIV @48– I will say that I haven’t encountered so many “slava Ukraina” slogans or Ukrainian flags lately, for whatever that is worth (US). i hope it means americans are seeing through the bullshit, but it may just be short attention spans. Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 21:51 utc | 85 The basketball player who smuggled some dope into Russia has been sentence to 9 years hard time. Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 86 Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 100 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 4 2022 22:03 utc | 87 @Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 20:37 utc | 88
I think also for domestic import, the Russian military needs to show some more significant successes otherwise the population may start to sour on a long grinding war. In the Donbass, the Russians have achieved what they wanted by sucking in as much of the Ukie army as possible. Now the “slow” part of the plan needs to be changed to the “fast” part. If Russia can advance on Dnipro from both sides of the Dnieper, taking Krivoy Riy and Zaporizhzia on the way, the Ukrainians in the south are finished. Another possibility is a drive from Izyum to Dnipro. With the Ukrainian reserves fully utilized and fixed in place, and Ukrainian army morale plummeting, any such moves would collapse the regime and the military. The Russians have overwhelming amounts of reserves to utilize if they want to, and Belarus could make things much, much worse if they attacked from the north. Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 18:53 utc | 73 Posted by: ZX | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 89 Military Update Summary (8-4-22) claims that Russia has “officially” accused the USA of intentionally spreading both, monkeyox and covid-19 according to documents recovered in Ukraine during Russian military conquest. I cannot locate any sources to confirm this. However, Russia has previously accused USA of spreading monkeypox beginning in Africa. Posted by: Pantee Inawad | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 90 Seer and Roger Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2022 22:13 utc | 91 For all the work Amnesty has done for the Empire, this is rich: “Zelensky accuses Amnesty International of supporting terrorism” RT reports. “Amnesty has stuck by its report that Ukrainian forces endangered civilians.” Normally a country must have a register of ownership of its land/resources divided into concessions of say one or two square kilometres, latitude and longitude coordinates outlining each boundary. In Angola it’s oil, in Niger, uranium. For Ukraine it will be for a number of mineral/metals which must be registered at the Ministry of Mining & Geology and agriculture LAND which will be registered with the Ministry of Agriculture. A visit to both of these Departments should provide details of who owns which concessions. If not then I’m sure the US & UK financial fraud authorities will be all over Ukraine-Gate. Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 4 2022 22:19 utc | 93 Another Imperial figurehead has put his feet in his mouth yet again as RT reports:
Someone must inform that fool that NATO support for Ukriane IS waging war on Russia. Poor Jens must be afraid that his home and those of other NATO fascists will be missiled by Russia if the existing war becomes full-scale. Getting too hot for you Jens after all your provocations and dissing of Russia and all thigs Russian. The very sad thing is NATO fascists like Jens ought to be getting shelled to death in Ukraine instead of innocent Ukrainians whose lives NATO is stealing. bevin | Aug 4 2022 19:49 utc Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 4 2022 22:34 utc | 95 Michigan Dude | Aug 4 2022 21:55 utc | 100 Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 4 2022 22:38 utc | 96 As someone who questions coincidences, though not to generate unfounded conspiracy theories. I am a little bemused by the timing of the failure of Zelensky to give the West a concrete military result and the publication of the Amnesty international report on Ukraine’s use of human shields. Of course they have nothing in common directly. How could it be? I guess its just one thing after another! How much bad luck can you get, maybe Xi has the answers! RE: PavewayIV | Aug 4 2022 20:28 utc | 87 Posted by: Steven Starr | Aug 4 2022 22:50 utc | 98 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2022 22:47 utc | 115 Posted by: Seer | Aug 4 2022 22:51 utc | 99 @ZX | Aug 4 2022 22:12 utc | 104 Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 4 2022 22:52 utc | 100 |
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