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August 1, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-120
Only for news & views related to the Ukraine conflict. Off topic comments will be deleted and repeated offenders WILL get banned. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Those who are complaining about slowness of Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, Today, I suggest on the 1st of August, look back again on 1st of September. Posted by: San | Aug 1 2022 16:12 utc | 1 Well, real life: I am German, married to a Russian woman from South-Ukraine. In 1991 she woke up and had an ukrainian passport, which she never wanted as a natural born Russian (like 95% in south-east Ukraine). Posted by: Alfred | Aug 1 2022 16:49 utc | 2 Posted by: San | Aug 1 2022 16:12 utc | 1 Posted by: RiNS | Aug 1 2022 16:49 utc | 3 @San | Aug 1 2022 16:12 utc | 1 Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2022 17:20 utc | 4 I don’t get this Russia too slow thing. Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | Aug 1 2022 17:28 utc | 5 https://meduza.io/feature/2022/03/09/da-mnogie-obnischayut-kto-to-budet-zhit-na-ulitse-i-chya-vina-ya-otvechu-putina Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 1 2022 18:11 utc | 6 I Don’t understand everyone who says this military operation is not going fast enough either. There are so many balls in play, the SMO is just one piece being played in a much larger game. Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Aug 1 2022 18:15 utc | 7 Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 1 2022 18:11 utc | 19 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 1 2022 18:27 utc | 8 reply to 23 Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 1 2022 18:41 utc | 9 I would like to bring up another point about Ukraine. Land “ownership”. Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 1 2022 18:41 utc | 10 Renault announced the “sale” of it’s Russian factory for a rumored 1 ruble and is taking a 2.2 billion euro write-off. I am Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 1 2022 18:46 utc | 11 A bit disingenuous linking to a Jeffrey Sachs article with an anti-Semitic slur. Posted by: Billb | Aug 1 2022 19:41 utc | 12 Any commentary or reporting on this?
Posted by: Linda Wood | Aug 1 2022 19:57 utc | 13 Latest Military Summary claims Ukr ( or someone) talks about 200K soldiers near Kherson. That would be something. Although, if they don’t have armor, it’s going to be more of a banzai charge. Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 1 2022 20:03 utc | 14 Posted by: San | Aug 1 2022 16:12 utc | 1 Posted by: Pilar | Aug 1 2022 20:08 utc | 15 Eighthman | Aug 1 2022 20:03 utc | 49 Posted by: JohninMK | Aug 1 2022 20:26 utc | 16 @ Linda Wood | Aug 1 2022 19:57 utc | 47 Posted by: james | Aug 1 2022 20:33 utc | 17 I’ll pull this out of my butt, but maybe the reason the Russians are going slow is because every sq. meter of east Ukraine is trenches, and mined and booby trapped, and ever more so as the AFU retreats. You can only advance after the sappers check it out, front line sappers are vulnerable and the soldiers have to work to protect them. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 1 2022 20:47 utc | 18 Alfred | Aug 1 2022 16:49 utc | 5 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 1 2022 21:16 utc | 19 ostro @ 62
What if it only makes the self important Germans crazier. Look at what the Great Depression did to them. I’m sort of being facetious. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 1 2022 21:33 utc | 20 Eighthman @ 49 Posted by: circumspect | Aug 1 2022 21:40 utc | 21 @ Stonebird | Aug 1 2022 18:41 utc | 29 / 33 Posted by: james | Aug 1 2022 22:17 utc | 22 Ukraine was left with tons of state owned assets stealing those was a top priority. The news channel from india that interestingly switched from anti American to pro American after signing a trade deal with the British was saying Zelensky promised the British a nato base in Crimea once they take it back. Posted by: OhhCanada | Aug 1 2022 23:09 utc | 23 This is a weird one. Posted by: Rando Brando | Aug 1 2022 23:47 utc | 24 Ukrainian ideology is not american, it is european. Ukrainians are doing the same things europeans was doing just before the WW2 and shortly after that. The same shit just repeats ower and ower again. Posted by: Alef | Aug 2 2022 0:01 utc | 25 Re: Dilyana Gaytandzhieva
The original tweet:
Video on YouTube: Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 2 2022 1:19 utc | 26 Mercouris has an interesting opinion about EU sanctions, as triggered by Ukr. He thinks Yellen pushed a price cap on Russian oil to divert EU sanctions on Russian energy because she knew they would trigger inflation worldwide. Further, he points out that Britain/EU are going slack on canceling insurance on Russian oil ships – because they realize this could create an even worse economic mess. Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 2 2022 3:02 utc | 27 Posted by: Alfred | Aug 1 2022 16:49 utc | 5 Posted by: Calgary Guy | Aug 2 2022 3:07 utc | 28 Petri Krohn | Aug 2 2022 1:19 utc | 81 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 3:12 utc | 29 Video on YouTube: Posted by: K | Aug 2 2022 4:10 utc | 30 Alfred [5]. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 2 2022 4:18 utc | 31 The slow pace of the SMO has benefits militarily speaking. Posted by: Haassaan | Aug 2 2022 4:23 utc | 32 To K @97, You’re right! The video is a fake. Thanks so much for checking. The woman on You Tube falsely claiming to be Dilyana looks nothing like her except for the long brown hair, is much younger as you said. I’ve followed Dilyana’s great work for a few years. It was hard to believe she would post this kind of thing on You Tube or anywhere else for that matter. Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 2 2022 5:03 utc | 33 @ Petri Krohn | Aug 2 2022 1:19 utc | 81 Posted by: james | Aug 2 2022 5:27 utc | 34 Oof, anyone else notice there is suddenly a lot of talk about how dangerous it is for the Russians to be using a nuclear shield? At the same time Zelensky is telling Ukrainians to evacuate. Posted by: OohCanada | Aug 2 2022 5:38 utc | 35 @Linda Wood #47 Posted by: Tim | Aug 2 2022 6:51 utc | 36 James @103 re: Dilyana video. Here is a Dilyana video reportedly done this year, 2022, an interview with someone named Richard Medhurst about Ukraine biolabs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9edLPCBtLM…posted March 9, 2022, “Secret U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine EXPOSED | Dilyana Gaytandzhieva.” I still see these as two different people, I understand you see it differently. Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 2 2022 7:02 utc | 37 @Petri Krohn #81, Susan Mullen 101 Posted by: Tim | Aug 2 2022 7:07 utc | 38 The Dilyana video is dodgy. Even assuming twitter is the best way to reach Putin, shouldn’t at least the subtitles be in Russian not English? Posted by: Browser | Aug 2 2022 7:34 utc | 39 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 1 2022 18:41 utc | 29 Posted by: Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 2 2022 7:37 utc | 40 Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 2 2022 5:03 utc | 101 Posted by: v | Aug 2 2022 7:50 utc | 41 The stories being sent to MSM these days are really funny and crazier than usual. Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2022 8:44 utc | 42 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 2 2022 8:43 utc | 113 Posted by: Jpc | Aug 2 2022 9:45 utc | 43 There is some serious shit going on at eastern front. Posted by: preseren3 | Aug 2 2022 9:47 utc | 44 Stonebird #29 and additions Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 2 2022 10:17 utc | 45 “I mentioned a few months ago Ukrainian forces would make a push for Kherson in August with around 75,000 troops. About a third of that force is of high quality, well-armed and trained with quality NATO gear. A dangerous force, but a move that will fail and seriously deplete the Ukrainians.” Posted by: gary | Aug 2 2022 10:30 utc | 46 @gary | Aug 2 2022 10:30 utc | 120 Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2022 10:47 utc | 47 @all Re: 1/3 of 75,000 ground forces assembled for attack on Kherson are High Quality NATO style troops. Posted by: Exile | Aug 2 2022 12:00 utc | 49 I have strong gut feeling Ukies number are grossly overstated in this thread and in general. Posted by: Abe | Aug 2 2022 12:10 utc | 50 I’m waiting for headlines that say, “Russia has run out of missiles !” – when they actually run out of targets worth hitting. Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 2 2022 12:13 utc | 51 ISW weighs in: Beware of War Predictions – Ukraine’s Outcome Is Not Yet Written – thehill.com
Notable only because it represents the Kagan/Nuland views… Posted by: c1ue | Aug 2 2022 12:57 utc | 52 @Tim #37 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 2 2022 12:59 utc | 53 https://maritime-executive.com/article/lebanon-seizes-vessel-accused-of-carrying-stolen-ukrainian-grain Posted by: snake | Aug 2 2022 13:05 utc | 54 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (02082022) Posted by: Summary02082022 | Aug 2 2022 13:09 utc | 55 US belligerence increases in direct relation to its desperation. The sheer contempt of/for civilian life in Ukraine and the developing world in particular is nothing short of mass genocide. Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 2 2022 13:17 utc | 56 @ Posted by: b | Aug 2 2022 11:29 utc | 49 Posted by: fnord | Aug 2 2022 13:38 utc | 57 The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation recognized the national battalion “Azov” as a terrorist organization. If the current sat image provided is real, then the strike/bombing of the building holding the prisoners in Olenivka was pin-point.
https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1553717461303934976 Posted by: Tom_12 | Aug 2 2022 14:11 utc | 59 Close read the MOD 2.August update listing various Kiev formations wacked. Those are all NATO style elite units. Even allowing for MOD hyperbole, it’s a impressive list for just one day. And this has been the rythmn for 150 days now. Posted by: Exile | Aug 2 2022 14:13 utc | 60 Kiev started with 25 NATO style combat brigades in the ground forces. By my reckoning only 7 are capable of offensive action. Posted by: Jpc | Aug 2 2022 14:24 utc | 61 Does anyone know how to get access to the Russian MoD “clobber list” from the US? Seems like US IP addresses are just outright blocked. Posted by: fnord | Aug 2 2022 14:32 utc | 62 @51:
I have an even stronger gut feeling that your gut is leading you astray. In EU there are small elective authoritarian regimes. Posted by: nomars | Aug 2 2022 14:51 utc | 65 Posted by: Alfred | Aug 1 2022 16:49 utc | 2 Posted by: Peter Williams | Aug 2 2022 15:06 utc | 66 …. How many of the 7 are capable of more combat 5 months on ?…. Posted by: Exile | Aug 2 2022 15:17 utc | 67 on German TV (RTL) 02.08.22 Posted by: mac40 | Aug 2 2022 17:04 utc | 68 @fnord #63:
It’s posted (in Russian) in Russian MoD’s Telegram channel: https://t.me/s/mod_russia Posted by: S | Aug 2 2022 17:48 utc | 69 “Evacuation” is just another fake Bucha. Told you days ago: Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2022 18:39 utc | 70
There are free websites that show where a tiny URL link actually points. I use Posted by: David Levin | Aug 2 2022 19:18 utc | 71 @ David Levin | Aug 2 2022 19:18 utc | 72 Posted by: james | Aug 2 2022 19:56 utc | 72 Some photos and videos from a laptop found at the Azov Battalion base in Mariupol: https://t.me/ua_tribunal/1768 Posted by: S | Aug 2 2022 21:57 utc | 73
Golly, James, if I could answer that, then surely I should have no difficulty predicting how the SMO will unfold. 8^) Posted by: David Levin | Aug 2 2022 22:15 utc | 74 A little ‘clown world’ from ‘freedom loving’ Ireland (for ‘freedom’ read whatever “EU/USA policy dictates whenever”. The (largely ceremonial) President has been forced to reiterate his undying fealty to the NATO narrative on Ukraine by our, heavily neo-Liberal influenced media and political elites. Why? because his wife Sabine published a letter in the press where she came out with the preposterous suggestion that this ‘war’ can only end when both sides engage in a series of negotiations, accompanied or preceded by a mutually agreed ceasefire. Unless blocked by a paywall here is the letter.. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2022/07/27/war-in-ukraine-a-moment-of-moral-choice/ Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Aug 2 2022 22:19 utc | 75 @ Exile #50 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 3 2022 1:51 utc | 76 @ David Levin | Aug 2 2022 22:15 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Aug 3 2022 5:24 utc | 77 Volodymyr Zelenskyy delivers special address to Australian universities Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 3 2022 9:21 utc | 78 |
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