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August 22, 2022

Ukraine - Dugina Killer Identified - War Of Attrition Continues

It seems that Russian authorities have found the killer of Darya Dugina.


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The killer, one Natalya Vovk, is associated with the Azov Nazis of Ukraine. So is her brother. Both are in Ukraine right now but will probably flee elsewhere.

Yelensis has details that point to willful murder of Darya Dugina:´

[A]n important clarification was already delivered by the experts: As to the question whether the bomb was on a timer or remote control, the answer already came in: Remote control. This fact has huge ramifications. WarGonzo blogger Semyon Pegov points out that the person who pressed the remote-control button to ignite the bomb, would have been in visual contact with the car and its occupant: “In other words, the terrorists who were supposedly out to blow Dugin up in his own car, would have observed, how Darya got into the car instead. Not the original target. And then they would have had to make a decision: To blow up, or not to blow up? And they took the decision: Go ahead and blow up the daughter. So, Darya became the new target. And this is, it goes without saying, an entirely new level of terrorism. Not even your average ISIS terrorist would take such a low step.”

Aleksandr Dugin, Darya's father, as well as his daughter had been threatened:

The Ukrainians threaten and blacklist everybody in the world who doesn’t give them full and unconditional support.

Dugin, however, is a special case, and particularly hated by the West and their proxies. Both Dugin and his daughter are on American/British “sanctions” lists. Dugin has been the recipient of non-stop hate-speech for years now. Westies hate and demonize him because of his philosophical ideas and anti-Liberal ideology. Darya herself has a degree in Political Philosophy and shared her father’s ideology. Both were strong supporters of the Russian “Special Military Operation” against the Ukraine. Which would have made them “fair game” according to the usual Ukrainian standards. However, nothing has been proved yet, so we shall just have to wait and see.

In the continuation of this story, we will discuss Dugin’s “harmful” ideas, some interesting history of his political career; and how the Westie press is inhumanely revelling in his grief.

You can catch Yelensis' writings at Awful Avalanche.

Meanwhile the fighting in Ukraine continues with recent Russian offenses launched on all fronts. In the north the slow move to Karkiv continues. The Russian forces in the south move towards Mykolaiv (Nikolaev). In the east attacks against Soledar and Bakhmut continue. All these moves are supported by intense strikes on every Ukrainian headquarter and troop concentration the Russian military intelligence can find. This hunting down and killing of complete battalions and brigades behind the immediate frontline is costing a lot of Ukrainian soldiers' lives and is preventing any Ukrainian countermoves. This is on top of the daily massive artillery use against Ukrainian frontline positions.

In a recent interview Colonel Markus Reisner of the Austrian army described the situation (in German). Some excerpts:

If you look at the battles in detail, you can see one thing from a military point of view: the western arms deliveries are having an effect, but still not in a resounding and sustainable form. The result must be measurable. Only when the Russian attacks are completely stopped or when the Russian troops retreat (similar to the situation around Kyiv in March 2022) can one actually speak of a turning point in the war from a sober, objective and military point of view. The western arms shipments that have arrived so far mean that the Ukrainian armed forces have "too much to die and too little to live". If the 16 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers delivered from the USA so far have achieved understandable success, the question arises: Why is the USA not delivering more?

May be because it does not have more to give but more likely is that the U.S. wants to prolong the conflict at a near stalemate as long as possible.

Can Ukraine win this war?

If the West does not deliver increased numbers of state-of-the-art weapons (including above all artillery and multiple rocket launchers, but also long-range anti-aircraft defense systems) to Ukraine in the coming weeks, Ukraine will not be able to win this conflict. It is therefore in the hands of the West how this war will continue. As long as Ukraine cannot protect its airspace against Russian cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, any regional military rearmament seems illusory. But this is necessary if Ukraine wants to regain possession of the lost land. Those areas that you need to be able to survive economically.

It is highly unlikely that the Ukraine will ever regain the former Russian territory that in 1922 Vladimir Ilʹich Lenin, for whatever reason, gave to Ukraine and that Russia is currently taking back. A war of attrition, which Russia with its industrial capability to sustain endlessly, can not be won by Ukraine. Even more massive support from the 'west' would be insufficient.

But the war will be won on a different front:

Modern warfare is above all a war of minds. The image we have of a conflict decisively shapes our opinion on it. It determines whether we perceive a conflict as "just" and whether we are willing to support it. At the moment, in the conflict in Ukraine, this support begins in our communications and ends in the delivery of weapons. It is therefore always the aim of the opponents to influence the respective other side. The military calls this approach "cognitive warfare." A comprehensive war of attrition is rarely decided on the battlefield, but often in the minds of the population in the hinterland.

For the Russian side, the decisive point of attack is therefore the West's willingness to continue to support Ukraine. Russia is therefore trying to weaken this willingness in all available domains (especially in the cyber and information space). Extraction of raw materials and threats of nuclear weapons are the weapons used here to achieve an effect. The West, on the other hand, is trying to hit the cohesion of Russian society. Sanction packages and economic punitive measures are intended to exert pressure. The Russian economy is already taking a serious hit. The question is, will these bring about a change in behavior or not? At the moment, decisive success cannot be measured either on the battlefield or on the home front, which makes it clear that the guns in Ukraine are far from silent.

The extremely stupid European sanctions against Russian energy have caused severe damage to European economies. This is already breaking  the 'western' will for further support of Ukraine. During July none of the bigger European countries has promised and delivered more heavy weapons to Ukraine.

On August 24 Ukraine has some independence holiday. Zelensky and his team will likely want to present some 'success' for that day. A nasty incident around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which the Ukraine continues to shell,  or elsewhere can therefore be expected to happen over the next few days.

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Lysias | Aug 22 2022 18:03 utc | 86

"George Galloway said on his radio show yesterday that there have been many casualties from chemical and/or biological weapons among the Russian soldiers in Ukraine".

What is interesting is where some of them were when "hit". Which is not far from The Zapo nuke station, further upriver. According to one earlier report, this was just after the bend that goes North. (No other confirmation though)

Clearly the two places might be connected in some way, because of the emphasis the Ukrainians and US have put on the continued shelling of the ZPP, with no clear justification. What the connection may be is open to speculation, except that as with Mariupol, there could well be something hidden in the basements or nearby. (even compromising info and computer programmes?).

The simplest answer to why they insist on shelling - is to draw in Pussian Air-defenses. But again, what is planned to follow?
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PS. The incoming "security guards" who will accompany the inspectors, might well know more than the inspectors themselves.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 22 2022 18:50 utc | 101

Zelensky gave up his mandate very early on following his election. He's not "running" the country and hasn't been for years. Any conclusion derived from that basis is fundamentally flawed. The "pagan stormtroopers" threatened his life and the Nazi coddling US/UK puppetmasters threatened his wealth and political career. He's a figurehead for a figurehead for a figurehead.

Posted by: Watching the Watcher | Aug 22 2022 18:50 utc | 102

Yalensis wrote, "the terrorists who were supposedly out to blow Dugin up in his own car, would have observed, how Darya got into the car instead. Not the original target."

The FSB, however, found the following:

They (the killer and her daughter) rented an apartment in the house where Dugina lived in Moscow.
A Mini Cooper was used to follow Dugina.

The FSB did not mention Dugin, at least not in Russians With Attitude's account of what it said about the assassination.

So it seems that Dugina was the original target, not Dugin as Yalensis claims.

Posted by: TN | Aug 22 2022 18:55 utc | 103

@99 They cost over $130,000 per hour to operate. Probably just another climate change mission.

Posted by: dh | Aug 22 2022 19:00 utc | 104

️The American side last week turned to Russian Ambassador to Washington Anatoly Antonov with a request to transfer full control over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant to Ukraine, EFE reports, citing the US State Department.

So give electricity for free to nato or we'll shoot at it. Also US admits in writing that Russia has control, while saying Russia is shelling it.

Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 19:05 utc | 105

@oldhippie #72:

If you want to torture logic and semantics that far you can prove anything. The faction that wants to prove Ukraine existed when it did not is alternately ridiculous and Nazi.

I haven’t “tortured logic and semantics”. I have simply reiterated well-known facts.

Lenin allied with everyone who opposed Russian government, so he gobbled up a lot Malorussian separatists’ (samostiyniki) propaganda that was funded by Polish nobility in exile and Austro-Hungarian government. Hence the early Soviet Union’s ridiculous Ukrainization campaign, during which Russian street signs were replaced with Ukrainian ones (in 100% Russian-speaking cities), people were fired from their jobs for not speaking Ukrainian well enough (in 100% Russian-speaking cities), etc. Hence Soviet Constitution’s secession rights for the Soviet republics—these rights weren’t taken seriously by Russians, but were taken very seriously by many Ukrainians. Hence Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR and Belarussian SSR being among the founding members of the UN. There was even a project to introduce separate uniforms for the armies of each Soviet republic. All these elements played their roles in the success of Ukrainian Nationalists’ late 80s propaganda advocating for the creation of independent Ukraine. It wouldn’t be possible for Ukrainian SSR to separate from the Soviet Union legally, were it not for the Soviet Constitution. It wouldn’t be possible for Ukrainian SSR to separate from the Soviet Union culturally, were it not for all the propaganda about “Velikorussian chauvinism”, forcing Ukrainian language on all ethnicities living in Ukrainian SSR (Russians, Jews, Greeks, Armenians, etc.) and the very establishment of Ukrainian SSR. So Putin is right when he says that Lenin “created the Ukraine”. Culturally, Malorussians were not on their way to create a separate nation, as Lenin and Stalin wrongly assumed, they were actually on their way to becoming closer with Velikorussians, forming a united Russian nation—a process that was aborted by Lenin uncritically accepting the views of Western-oriented “Ukrainians” (urban intelligentsia drunk on Polish and Austro-Hungarian propaganda) over those of Russia-oriented Malorussians.

Ukrainian nationalism began in 1880s Chicago. New immigrants were asked where they were from. They were asked what their nationality was. They could respond by saying they were from somewhere on the border between the Emperor, the Tsar, and the Sultan. Or they could use the descriptive term "borderlands" as if it were the name of a country. Nothing more to it.

Malorussian publications in the U.S., even those that advocated for the secession of lands populated by Malorussians from Russia, referred to the people as “Malorussians” until early 1910s.

Those who said U kraina (borderlands) to describe their origin were not a nation. They came to that land from everywhere.

I never claimed they were. Learn to read.

It was new territory in the Russian Empire, the tsars wanted it populated. It had long been de-populated by Tatar/Ottoman slave raids. It was the Wild West and everyone was welcome. Making that diverse community a nation was a con job.

Exactly. A con job. That was gobbled up by Lenin and turned into reality. Well, almost. We’ll see if Russia succeeds in reversing the course.

Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 19:06 utc | 106

Cui bono?

Dugin is a known ultra-orthodox nationalist pushing for Russian Empire from Lisbon to Vladivostok and more.

The daughter has done some critical reporting re FSB and Ukrainian gov right?

In any case, one way or another Dugin is most likely the target (killing his daughter wounds him).

So perhaps the point is to arouse ultra-nationalists in Russia to advocate for war escalation? Which seemingly is what US-West has been pushing for a while for whatever reason.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 19:07 utc | 107

By the way, Dasha was working on a piece in regard to the Azov battalion. She has been collecting data for several months now as far as I know.

Posted by: Zet | Aug 22 2022 19:15 utc | 108

@Stonebird | Aug 22 2022 18:50 utc | 102

It amuses me that everyone is contorting themselves in an attempt to avoid the obvious conclusion:

1. The Zaporozhye nuclear power plant supplies a huge amount of Ukraine's electricity.
2. Ukraine is selling that electricity to the EU.
3. Russia is throttling gas supplies to the EU as winter approaches.

So what do you think the Russians are doing with their custody of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with autumn approaching?

1. Could it be that they have disconnected it from the Ukrainian grid so that it is no longer supplying electricity to Ukraine?
2. Could it be that Ukraine is attacking the plant to express its displeasure at having its supply of electricity terminated?
3. Could it be that the West is freaking out because yet another source of EU energy will not be arriving during the autumn and winter?

Sometimes its just best to go with the obvious intead of overthinking everything...

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 19:15 utc | 109

Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 19:05 utc | 106

While it is a purely theoretical thought for entertainment, lets suppose the Russians give up Zaporizhe NPP for Ukraine. Russians can just go around and encircle the whole area within a month, take it back and end up in a better position, now with no one being able to shell it with other than very long range MLRS, few in numbers.

The risk here of course is that Azov will end up setting up demolition charges in the plant. The Nato proposal will not happen.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 19:17 utc | 110

First Russia has to declare Ukraine a State Sponsor of Terror. Looks like there is enough evidence. This has to be followed by some other allied countries such as China, Iran and BRICS + make the same declaration and break diplomatic relations.

Then, Russia will have a somewhat free hand.

Unfortunately, this is going only in one direction and that would be erasing Ukraine leading to a regional, possibly a global conflict. Very pessimistic about all of this.

Posted by: Alpi | Aug 22 2022 19:23 utc | 111

There is a reason why the US do not deliver larger quantities of HIMARS launchers. One is that the US themselves have only 400 of them, and it is not clear at all how many are still operational. All other NATO countries together have less than Ukraine has (or had) now.

Of the M270 or MARS tracked launchers, 385 exist in the US, 40 in Germany, and between 12 and 40 in France, Finland, and Greece. Their operational state is not known, but Germany initially had over 140, over 100 gone.

A more pressing problem is the ammonition, especially of the long range guided precision BMLRS missiles M31. Lockheed produced 40,000 of them, now scattered between 15 or 20 countries. Maximum production capacity is 7000 shells per year, and that is already doubtful given the situation of supply chains, some raw materials and components partially from China, Russia, and (east) Ukraine before.

Ukraine so far received about 5,000 rounds, spent at least 2,000. At minimum 1000 got destroyed by Russian missile strikes. Maybe some may have been embezzles an resold to Middle East countries who also have the system.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 22 2022 19:25 utc | 112

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 18:29 utc | 95
Patrick Lawrence continues his piece:
"...But development cannot proceed without considering the question of climate change, the global environment and the future of humanity.
...
"I would not like to be in their shoes. But how can we look forward to a new world order if those leading it fail to act in the world’s, that is, the whole world’s, favor?"
It was not a mission that Russia or China, Iran or anywhere else wanted to shoulder but a job that has to be done and in which the first step is the detention and sedation of a corrupt imperialism.

Climate change policy has been used as a tool of repression for many years now, notably in Africa, where 'Aid' is tied to agreements not to develop powergen infrastructure. The rate of ice loss in the Arctic has slowed in recent years and the trend may well soon reverse. There's a reason why Russia has been investing in new nucleqar powered icebreakers recently, and why China has been growing more food in Africa.

As one climate change scientist asked in one of the emails copied from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia university in 2009:
"What if it turns out just to be a multi-decadal oscillation?"

The Chinese have a lot of smart climate scientists too, and China is busy building a lot of new coal fired power stations, in addition to the wind turbines and solar panels they are happily selling to the West.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 19:26 utc | 113

@TN #104:

So it seems that Dugina was the original target, not Dugin as Yalensis claims.

Yes, but Vovk could have been tracking Darya to get to Dugin. After all, they did arrive to Tradition Festival together in his Land Cruiser.

The fact that the bomb was remote-controlled doesn’t prove that Vovk knew exactly who was in the car when she triggered the explosion. After installing the bomb, she could have left the “VIP” parking lot where the Land Cruiser was parked, then followed it from a distance. I.e., it is possible she thought both Darya and Dugin were in the car when she pressed the button.

Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 19:27 utc | 114

I read earlier in Otkrysaya Ukraina that minister of statistics of the RF forbade the usage of the Azov data obtained by Russian hackers, "respecting their personal data". https://t.me/OpenUkraine/24729

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 22 2022 19:30 utc | 115

Posted by: Esme | Aug 22 2022 16:32 utc | 43

"It was meant to paint Russians as inhumanly brutal, who relinquish their own desires and even offer their own children up the the Russian cause. It is elementary school propaganda with a blockbuster movie budget."

If "The Americans" was intended to be anti-Russia propaganda, it failed big time. Have you watched it? Elizabeth and Philip were the heroes. It would be relevant today. If anyone wants to watch the series I think it's on Netflix.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 22 2022 19:36 utc | 116

From what I am able to ascertain among limited western sources, Dugin is a complex character with complex beliefs. He is alleged to have working contacts with the far-left and far-right, and was on the far-left Bolshevik end of the political spectrum in the past. Some sources present him as a harsh critic of Putin's government, looking for its downfall and the emergence of better leadership tied to Russian nationalism and a more forceful rebuke to US imperialism. But he's also a strong supporter of the Ukraine operation attributed to Putin. There seems to be conflicting allegiances. But his daughter has written pro-government reporting for RT and Putin partook in the message of condolences for his daughter. There is also speculation that Putin's people orchestrated the bombing themselves, maybe to quash whatever movement Dugin is a part of. Is anyone able to square these circles better than what the western media is saying?

Posted by: Watching the Watcher | Aug 22 2022 19:39 utc | 117

Neither father Dugin, nor the daughter Dugin is connected to the decision taking centres of Russia. The daughter Dugin was the target - a foolish action by the disjointed Ukraine. Most probably Zelly didn't know about it, but some fools in connected to Azov and the Nazis surely knew about, or planned it, just because she was a voenkor, and that her father is a known person. As usual, a foolish action by the Ukies.

Posted by: rp | Aug 22 2022 19:40 utc | 118

The rate of ice loss in the Arctic has slowed in recent years and the trend may well soon reverse. There's a reason why Russia has been investing in new nucleqar powered icebreakers recently, and why China has been growing more food in Africa.

As one climate change scientist asked in one of the emails copied from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia university in 2009:
"What if it turns out just to be a multi-decadal oscillation?"

The Chinese have a lot of smart climate scientists too, and China is busy building a lot of new coal fired power stations, in addition to the wind turbines and solar panels they are happily selling to the West.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 19:26 utc | 114

this is crap. the trend is not "reversing". both Russia and China recognize the danger of climate change. bringing in irrelevant horseshit from the East Anglia cherrypicked hack does not support your argument. it wasn't a multidecadal oscillation.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 19:44 utc | 119

Those who said U kraina (borderlands) to describe their origin were not a nation. They came to that land from everywhere. It was new territory in the Russian Empire, the tsars wanted it populated. It had long been de-populated by Tatar/Ottoman slave raids. It was the Wild West and everyone was welcome. Making that diverse community a nation was a con job. You can join the con or you can read history.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 72

Sounds like a reboot of Khazaria; or a faction of Israel.

Posted by: Mann Friedmann | Aug 22 2022 19:45 utc | 120

Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 19:27 utc | 115

that makes sense.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 19:45 utc | 121

{...too many words and ad homenems...} Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 18:20 utc | 92

I will decline your offer to get into a pointless pi$$ing match over academic qualifications or knowledge of legal matters. This is the Internet and people can make up anything.

MoA is commonly called "the bar", so dis-barred was a reference to that. I deliberately misspelled it and added the winky-face so that the attempt at humor did not escape you. {sigh}

There is only one substantive issue up for debate in our respective comments, whether or not Alexandr Dugin is "high profile" or not. Your latest post inserts the qualifier "in
Russia' into the debate, even though I never said that. Even there you are wrong.

My domestic partner is a Russian citizen and a former junior diplomat, so I have access to many different Russian perspectives and positions. While Dugin may be labelled "fringe" by the Russian government, in the same way as say Tamara Lich or Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes is in Canada, he is still a very well known entity, even if most disagree with his positions.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 19:56 utc | 122

I think that empire is in desperation mode so killing Dugina instead of both or just the father will have to do.

It makes sense to think that the bomb was installed with the intent to at least kill Dugin, since it was his vehicle, but desire was for a twofer, father/daughter and all they got was the daughter.

As I have written before, condolences to the family for their loss. That said, the dog barked and the caravan rolled on.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2022 20:00 utc | 124

Three days ago, not many knew who was Darya Dugina, but now nearly everyone knows who she was, and that woman from Nazi Azov murdered her. Those who ordered the murder shot themselves in the foot. All they got was much more consolidated Russian society. They might push the Russian leadership to take more decisive action in relation to Ukraine.

Posted by: rp | Aug 22 2022 20:01 utc | 125

Sumguy @8

"The fact that this happened so quickly and with a remote control points to an improvised terrorist attack with no clear plan other than "blow up someone"."

Someone that just happened to reside in the same apartment block as the killer? Someone that just happened to be on the 'Peacekeeper' hit list - like the Ukrainian journalist Olez Burzina, blown up by a remote controlled car bomb in Kiev? Someone that just happened to have received multiple death threats from the 'Peacekeeper' crew? Someone that just happened to be the daughter of the west's so-called "Putin's brain" thus making for a substantial potential PR victory (all that the Uraine regime can do)?

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Aug 22 2022 20:05 utc | 126

Some good points above about Lenin and Ukraine nationalism but let me emphasize a theoretical point: Lenin's decisions have to be understood in terms of internationalism, not nationalism. He was against Russian chauvinism, and presumed that, under the new mode of production, the conditions for reactionary nationalism to emerge would be absent. And he was right. Ukrainian nationalism has always been anti-communist and anti-Russian, and only flowered as part of capitalist and imperialist restoration in Ukraine. This can't be pinned on Lenin and communism. It is a product of the very form capitalism took in Ukraine after 1991. Blame capitalism.

Posted by: Wilbur | Aug 22 2022 20:15 utc | 127

I am starting to think that there is only one solution to the war: a brutal attack that destroys the entire country, like what happened to Nazi Germany or Japan. Surrender seems the only way to end this mess. The war 'lite' so far is not appreciated by the Ukrainian population, so be it. Maybe Nazis should not survive, anyway.

Also, time to remove Soros and his son from the gene pool, it would be a blessing for our planet.

Posted by: Nico | Aug 22 2022 20:17 utc | 128

@Watching the Watcher | Aug 22 2022 19:39 utc | 118

This has the hallmarks of a low-level Azov operation, and it appears the Russian government is treating it thusly. Vovk was obviously known to the FSB but her purpose does not appear to have been. The implied value of the operation would be the equivilent of a Nazi SA unit killing a high-profile Stahlhelm supporter in the early 1930s: a morale boost to the rank and file stormtrooper but no real effect outside of the emotional high it brings. I see a drone strike in Vovk's future...

Posted by: Memis | Aug 22 2022 20:18 utc | 129

Last message 22.25 on 22.08
Syenski receives US Medal of Honor

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 20:23 utc | 130

Dmitry Medvedev

The best way to leave Europe without gas:
1. Freeze Nord Stream 2.
2. Freeze the assets of the Central Bank of Russia.
3. Declare the rejection of Russian gas in the next couple of years.
4. Refuse to purchase rubles to pay for gas at the exchange rate...

This delightful combination almost worked out for European politicians. Gas - $2,800 per thousand cubic meters. Austerity mode. It seems that only Scholz, who is looking for gas in Canada, is fully washed. What will happen to the price at the end of the year? 3000$? 4000$? Who is more gentlemen?

Posted by: rp | Aug 22 2022 20:23 utc | 131

Regarding Crimea, most people refer to 1954, but I read that as late as the 1990's Crimea did a referendum and decided to become annexed by Russia. In fact, Crimea became independent from the USSR half a year before Ukraine did.
In the 1990's Ukraine annexed Crimea, and broke a few agreements, toppled the Crimea government, etc.
2014 merely undid those illegal activities on the part of Ukraine.

Crimea is legitimately a part of Russia, people in Crimea have had that wish for decades.


Also, where is the West's consistency? The West supports separatists in Kosovo and Taiwan, why not in the Donbass, where, unlike the Taiwanese, people have suffered a great deal since 2014. If people in the Donbass had enjoyed the same degree of autonomy that China offers Taiwan, there would never have been a civil war in Ukraine to begin with.

Posted by: Nico | Aug 22 2022 20:25 utc | 132

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If Waters were murdered, that would cause a u-turn among the Western population and support for Ukraine would end.

Posted by: Nico | Aug 22 2022 20:27 utc | 133

the trend is not "reversing".
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 19:44 utc | 120

The data says otherwise. The trend in Arctic sea ice extent has been gently reversing for the last eight years, as it passes the low point of the ~65 year cycle.
https://woodfortrees.org/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2014.7/trend/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2014.7

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 20:32 utc | 134

"And this is, it goes without saying, an entirely new level of terrorism. Not even your average ISIS terrorist would take such a low step.”

That eould be the level of terrorism to expect from the US agencies according to this piece by Larry Romanov,

https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/americans-are-criminally-insane/#comment-5501294

Larry relates how US agents will have all the family of a politician killed to demoralize his supporters. How is it that the US can do that and the citizens not know it? Mysyery.

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 22 2022 20:35 utc | 135

Where do these drones that are attacking crimea take off from.

I assume Russia waits to hit them with cheaper to use, shorter range systems like pantsir as opposed to S-300 or even a buk? Is that correct?

Posted by: Alaric | Aug 22 2022 20:37 utc | 136

@95 bevin

If I am fixated on the Hegelian notion of spirit-advancing-towards-freedom, then you are fixated on your communist internationalist revolution. So I am in agreement. And the bar has room for both, I would hope.

Hilarious, bevin, that you insist that China and Russia are legitimately concerned about climate change. Hogwash! How much gas does Putin sell Europe? Isn't that where his leverage lies, in natural resource extraction? I am sure Putin is interested in windmills and solar, brah!

China and Russia's covid game-playing was also complete subterfuge. Putin using his covid-response to appear responsible to the super-duper concerned EU who were busy and still are terrorizing their people with mandates. I can only hazard a guess that eastern-China feels no shame in locking down their people to a degree that generally makes a westerner blush. The thinking and tackling of the problem to China is antithetical to any westerner. Furthermore, perhaps they are just practicing lockdowns for the eventual war with the west???

Like I said, I can only hazard a guess.

I guess it boils down to whether you think Putin is a crypto-communist-revanchist for Russia or if he is truly establishing Russia to a time before 1917. Remember, Putin has been playing the long game since taking the reins from Yeltsin.

I hold it is the latter and there is evidence of this whether through Putin's insistence on conservative social values centered on God and the family, or his reluctance to engage in open war with the centralizing-globalists that is a Jewish-captured entity through world-finance until he could wait no longer.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 22 2022 20:38 utc | 137

Some disjointed points.

Female assassin - again - Gavi was blown up by one. There are other examples. Remember Kreb from the Bond movie? Assange was framed by one. TeeVee and Hollywood has fetishised it. Angelina Jolie with porn star looks emulated by this one ..

Terrorist State - What is the MO. Blowing up non combatants with car bombs. IRA had to resort to that. Kill Lists? That has journalists on it, the Dugins and now ROGER WATERS of Pink Floyd fame!! That must be a redline?? Which supposed cool politician wants the writer of Another Brick In The Wall to be targeted for death by actual Nazis, like his father was in WW2, and expect us to still believe that the madned Ukrainians, lied to with fake history since childhood, funded and marshalled by our western oligarchs. Just like Hitler Nazis were…not a whisper from the Cool Brittannia mobsters or funky Trudeau or sexy private dancer Marin … Nazis do Nazi things.

Great investigative work , I’d like to know how exactly Dugin was suddenly not climbing into his car? Is it just fortune and fate?

When it comes to targeting politicians and ‘Players’ there are more low profile ways for removing them without a ‘song & dance’.

I am not sure what is going on but I do not want Roger being targeted who ever thinks he should shows their true colours.

I ask again what’s a good Nazi?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 22 2022 20:41 utc | 138

I think that if you meet US citizens, it is your duty to seek their demise as fast as possible, they are scum!
Blowing up a car with a person not the target, is beyond low, it is nazi, as the US is.This nation of evil needs to feel war and destruction on home soil. I will help freely.It needs to be diminished
very hard. Just four ten megaton MIRV's will do it. A lot of dead, and so what, it is only white niggers.Who cares?
I don't.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 22 2022 20:46 utc | 139

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 22 2022 20:38 utc | 138

make up whatever reality you want, you do that anyway. the truth is Russia hates nazis, whether the Hitler variant or the Bandera mutation. and it has not made a habit of lying about its intentions, whether on red lines or climate change (or covid for that matter).

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 20:46 utc | 140

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 20:32 utc | 135

the truth is you're full of crap on arctic "sea ice extent". that's why you have to link to some fossil fuel shill site to back up your point.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 20:47 utc | 141

Oh the US will try all its tricks, but now there is a wall. Russia. And Russia is no Iraq or Afghanistan, it is a first-rate nuclear power, three or for warheads in the US would bring it down, Russia will take a lot more, it is vast.
Go for it Russia, get rid of this hegemon once and for all.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 22 2022 20:53 utc | 142

Good time to remind people that the is a NATO document out on Cognitive Warfare. There's a lot more at NATO's Innovation Hub. This document is not just about observing what NATO's enemies may be doing, but how they are planning to use cognitive warfare against them. Goebbels would be proud of its authors.

https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/20210122_CW%20Final.pdf

Posted by: JC | Aug 22 2022 20:54 utc | 143

"Insider" news from Zelensky's strategic media planning room regarding the assassination:


"Ukrainian insider channel Legitimate (https://t.me/legitimniy/13254) (similar to Resident):

Meeting was held in the Office of the President on the case of the terrorist attack in Moscow, where the Kremlin accuses the Ukrainian authorities of terrorism.

The decision was made:
- to shift the information focus, maybe by successful shelling of objects of the Russian Federation for an informational occasion
- to confuse society by throwing a bunch of versions with an emphasis that this is false flag by FSB in order to accuse Ukraine. In this case Natalia Vovk will have to be sacced because according to this version she is gonna be an FSB agent.

The source points out that the main problem of the Office of the President is that the performers will be abandoned. Imagine the state of the curator of this group who promised Natalya and the entire group "stardom" and world recognition as fighters for freedom, but now being sacced and accused of international terrorism. Her life is over.

This can greatly undermine the image of the Ukrainian Special Services as they betray their people.

#Resident:

MI6 passed on intel to the Office of the President that the FSB had all the evidence that Vovk/Shaban was involved in the terrorist act. Yermak was recommended to distance himself from this murder so as not to discredit Ukraine in the international arena, and to clean up the performers and curators."

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 20:54 utc | 144

Another "by the way": some hours before the deadly attack on Dasha the pro-russian mayor of Mariupol survived an assassination attempt; dunno if he's also on the UkroNazi blacklist at https://myrotvorets.center/ .

Oh, and according to some British MP as well as some US senator, any attack on the Zap NPP resulting in radiation would trigger NATO's article 5... and now Zelly "warning" that Russia will do something "ugly" on Thursday (Ukraines Independence Day). Hmm, they just gave him a way to involve NATO, urks.

Posted by: Zet | Aug 22 2022 20:56 utc | 145

S @ 107

Convince me you have or have ever seen a flat file of US "Malorussian" publications. Oldest people I knew from Ukrainian Village - the only likely place for such a thing to originate - would have been born early 1910s. They knew the word Malorussia, did not like that usage at all. Maybe some did use it earlier, you do sound informed about something.

I can tell you the nationalism of those who came here 1880-1920 was completely different from that of 1940s, early 50s arrivals. The old ones wanted to have an identity and they didn't like Bolshevism, revanchism was not a concern. At best revanchism was someone else's job. Arrivals past 30 years are just sad.

Otherwise if I can read you, you seem to be saying that Lenin wanted Ukraine to exist when it did not. And Lenin was hand in glove with exiled (where?) Polish nobility and Hapsburg dead-enders. So a Bolshevik working the aristocrat angle. Whatever. Was Lenin working that angle before or after the end of Habsburg Empire?

Posted by: oldhipie | Aug 22 2022 20:58 utc | 146

@ pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 19:44 utc | 120

You protest too much.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 22 2022 20:59 utc | 147

the truth is you're full of crap on arctic "sea ice extent". that's why you have to link to some fossil fuel shill site to back up your point.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 22 2022 20:47 utc | 142

No need to shoot the messenger. The data is from the JAXA satellite instrument, and is presented by the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center. Why not download it and verify the facts for yourself?
https://woodfortrees.org/data/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2014.7/trend/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2014.7

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 20:59 utc | 148

FSB has it figured out, like the Apartment Bombings, so funny the FSB explanations. Almost as good as 9/11. Imagine dear Vlad would kill this guys kid for an angle, and let papa beat the drum. Sick, sick world. Ah, my friends, anarchism perverted by Bolshivism, then the myriad misguided Bronze Age perverts. It's the diamond age, you friends of life and the notion of liberty. Fight the psychic empire, the red and white fascists, and embrace none of it. Only embrace what is real, the new menu of old. Plus science! My dear friends, my abused and hopefully disabused friends, love is lovely, and war is kinda ugly. We really do not want totalitarian PRC China style rule, or Putin style, or U.S. or Rwanda... Ugly shite all, right? Our bountiful scientific understanding is set to make all life free, (or very gone) so let us stop playing primitive games. You know, at this point, Mother Earth can not take our dumb human crap. Quantum glass batteries, myriad altnrg tech, the Jetsons, baby. Go home and study, the old crap will mean nothing if we just think. Anyway, don't you know the nanobots to wipe away life can fit in my red solo cup? Ain't no right side here, and ain't no wrong now when you're right

Posted by: Ahole | Aug 22 2022 21:10 utc | 149

@Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 20:32 utc | 135

Arctic sea ice volume is a much better measure of the amount of sea ice left as ice is a three-dimensional object not a two-dimensional one - the thickness of the ice is important. The Arctic Polar Science Centre provide nice nifty graphs of Arctic sea ice volume for the past 42 years (see link below). The graphs show a very well defined downward trend (the signal) surrounded by the usual noise variance; there is no "trend reversal".

PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly and Trend

Annual Mean Sea Ice Volume

The bars on the second graph show the variance during the year, from the Spring peak to the Autumn minima.


Posted by: Roger | Aug 22 2022 21:16 utc | 150

I wonder is this will betoken an intensification of missile strikes on control centers.

Posted by: Sami | Aug 22 2022 21:18 utc | 151

@ Lydia’s
“Natalya Vovk is back in Ukraine? I read that she fled across the border into Estonia.”

And what, there is no way to travel from Estonia to Ukraine in two days?

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 22 2022 21:20 utc | 152

@Den Lille Abe | Aug 22 2022 20:53 utc | 143

Don't confuse yourself, talker. The USA is vast and easily capable of turning Russia into a wasteland. It just that the relationship is reciprocal, which is why it won't happen.

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 21:23 utc | 153

climate change conversation needs to go over to the open thread...........

The MoA Week In Review - (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-136

Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 21:24 utc | 154

Arctic sea ice volume is a much better measure
Posted by: Roger | Aug 22 2022 21:16 utc | 151

It would be if we had actual measurements of it. PIOMAS is a model, not real data.
The data I linked is real monthly measurements of arctic sea ice extent.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 21:24 utc | 155

fyi

AZmilitary has just returned to posting, after a lot of online harassment.
looks to me like bernhard/MofA follows them


https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1561767290290552832
AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎 @AZmilitary1

‼️🎖 🇷🇺 The President of Russia Vladimir Putn signed a decree awarding the Order of Courage to Daria Dugina (posthumously) – for courage and dedication shown in the performance of professional duty


Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 22 2022 21:27 utc | 156

climate change conversation needs to go over to the open thread...........

The MoA Week In Review - (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-136

Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 21:24 utc | 155

You are right. Apologies for the OT conversation arising from bevin's post @95

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 21:28 utc | 157

aquadraht @ 113

There is a reason why the US do not deliver larger quantities of HIMARS launchers. One is that the US themselves have only 400 of them, and it is not clear at all how many are still operational. All other NATO countries together have less than Ukraine has (or had) now.

Seems about across the board for all armaments. The arsenal of democracy is about as shallow as the democracy.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2022 21:28 utc | 158

@Esme
“ Chas, "The Americans" is literally written by a CIA agent. The Russian dialogue was done by the execrable Masha Gessen of Russiagate et al fame…”

That was a particularly bad series on so many levels.
I’m reminded of my very first exposure to anti-Russian propaganda back in the early sixties, around kindergarten age: “Russian Rhapsody”, still available to view on YouTube

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OTjrN9_awn8
“the Americans” was a tad less sophisticated, I’m afraid

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 22 2022 21:31 utc | 159

The rate of ice loss in the Arctic has slowed in recent years and the trend may well soon reverse.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 19:26 utc | 114

Bullshit, here's your simple explanation:

"Results from the Pan-arctic Ice-Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System (PIOMAS) show significant decline of Arctic sea ice volume (SIV) in the past decades. However, the SIV decline is slowing down during 2007–2020 with increasingly higher air and ocean temperatures, which is in line with satellite CryoSat-2 observations of largely stabilized SIV since 2011. The slowdown of the SIV decline is because of relatively strong decreases in ice export from the Arctic and increases in ice growth in the Arctic. The relatively strong increase in ice growth in 2007–2020 is because thinner and less compact ice, which is the norm in recent years, has much higher growth rates than thicker ice under freezing conditions. Thinner ice also moves faster and deforms more, which tends to create more open water to stimulate ice growth in 2007–2020. Thus, the ice export and growth processes play a role in slowing down the SIV decline in recent years and may continue to play that role in the future."

See Jinlun Zhang, Recent Slowdown in the Decline of Arctic Sea Ice Volume Under Increasingly Warm Atmospheric and Oceanic Conditions at https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL094780

BUT: this is not the thread for that! :-)

Posted by: Zet | Aug 22 2022 21:32 utc | 160

Sometimes its just best to go with the obvious intead of overthinking everything...

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 19:15 utc | 110B

Brevesky, I like your approach. It gets straight to the point like Occam's razor. If you toss all the unnecessary baggage, the hypothecia horse shit, you can see the facts much more clearly. The same is probably true about the assassination of Darya's, Aleksandr Dugin, Darya's daughter. The theories are all over the place, but clearly the target was Aleksandra Dugin, it was his car.

Posted by: Guernica | Aug 22 2022 21:37 utc | 161

Posted by: Zet | Aug 22 2022 21:32 utc | 161

Thanks Zet, we'll duke it out on a non-Ukraine thread another time. ;-)

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 21:37 utc | 162

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 16:17 utc | 37

Thank you for your honesty.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 21:41 utc | 163

Posted by: Ahole | Aug 22 2022 21:10 utc | 150


I want what he is drinking.

Posted by: Gurenica | Aug 22 2022 21:41 utc | 164

Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 73
William Gruff | Aug 22 2022 15:19 utc | 9
i think what you are saying works better if we put your two suggestions together: 1) Russia isn't quite policed as we might think or are accustomed to ourselves in places like the US/UK; and 2) there was no reason to suspect these minor figures would be targeted, if, that is, one doesn't genuflect before the Western MSM priests and knowledge curators and swallow their sacred bread and wine.

in any case, we have the West openly celebrating the assassination of civilians. is Putin (lol, cuz Russia = Putin) doing that? banning books and media? prohibiting whole languages? Today's NYT lauds the special messages Ukrainians are writing on their missile and bombs. "From Azov, now with more Amero-amore".

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 22 2022 21:43 utc | 165

Armswatch is bragging that she was right about her bellingcat source and that Darya was the target because Dugin's daughter was leading a research on Christo Gruzev (=bellingcat).

Armswatch wrote: "bellingcat just confirmed my words that they have informants in the GRU." And then quoting Grozev about identified GRU members.

Still I think that armswatch has compromised herself with bellingcat. Poor girl!

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 22 2022 21:45 utc | 166

Some Daniil Shaban (Natalia Vovk/Saban close relatives most probably) put the car on sale in online flea market.

Even with those very number plates, "promoted" by FSB.

https://t.me/ASupersharij/10703?single

Also https://life.ru/p/1518208/amp

The car was allegedly bought with discount after crash in Honolulu. But it is now sold as "never repainted, never repaired". Profits be sacred.

Their arrogance is remarkable.

----

As her cousin said as recent as month ago Vovk lived in Mariupol.

https://ria.ru/amp/20220822/dugina-1811391141.html

That cousin and her father seem still live there and would now probably have some interesting times.

This, however, was no concern for Vovk. Even close relatives who do not share ukro-nazi beliefs are trash not worth care. To complement questions "what do you say Ukrainians could shell their own towns" - even fathers see no pity.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 22 2022 21:45 utc | 167

@ 159 LYFH
Ding, ding, we have a winner. . ."The arsenal of democracy is about as shallow as the democracy."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 22 2022 21:47 utc | 168

@Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 21:24 utc | 156

Your comment is simplistic and highly misrepresentative of scientific reality, as the model uses satellite (including radar depth detection) and in situ observations (e.g. ice breakers to confirm ice depths) together with other data inputs. All complex systems require some level of modelling. Sea ice area data is relatively useless, and displays a much larger level of noise, as ice depth varies greatly from site to site. A given square meter of ice may be an inch thick or many metres thick.

Given the nature of this thread I will stop adding to its pollution with this discussion.

"For the ice volume simulations shown here, sea ice concentration information from the NSIDC near-real time product are assimilated into the model to improve ice thickness estimates and SST data from the NCEP/NCAR Reanalysis are assimilated in the ice-free areas. NCEP/NCAR reanalysis SST data are based on the global daily high-resolution Reynolds SST analyses using satellite and in situ observations (Reynolds and Marsico, 1993; Reynolds et al., 2007). Atmospheric information to drive the model, specifically wind, surface air temperature, and cloud cover to compute solar and long wave radiation are specified from the NCEP/NCAR reanalysis. The pan-Arctic ocean model is forced with input from a global ocean model at its open boundaries located at 45 degrees North."

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/

Posted by: Roger | Aug 22 2022 21:47 utc | 169

it also gets the imagination going for anyone who wants retribution. i predict the daughter will be taken care of first; hopefully right in front of her whore mother. or maybe they'll just have a kinky three-way with a well hung kalibr.
Posted by: the pair | Aug 22 2022 16:33 utc | 46

Here's hoping that scum gets captured, sent to trial and executed or sentenced to lifelong hard labor.

Posted by: Sumguy | Aug 22 2022 17:53 utc | 81

Russians, unlike plenty of Americans, are not satanists. Begone with your filth.

Posted by: Mike | Aug 22 2022 18:09 utc | 89

The daughter Sofia Shaban who escaped into Estonia with her mother and who presumably was also with her mother at the time of the murder is 12 years old.

Posted by: Lysias | Aug 22 2022 18:30 utc | 96
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the desire for justice and the desire for revenge are not the same. another daughter being sacrificed to bloodlust...more greek tragedy please. that'll help. let's target a 12 year old, to torment her mom. cuz the mom deserves it. where does it stop?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 22 2022 21:48 utc | 170

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 22 2022 19:26 utc | 114

case in point: China Accounts For Nearly Half Of The World’s Renewable Energy Capacity

Scale of the task to eliminate GHG emissions from carbon-intesive manufacture process is not well understood. G7 "global leadership" have proved in less that an AOC unit.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 21:49 utc | 171

Arestovich indirectly confirms Zelensky's drug addiction.

"Well, listen, we even have valiant ones ... like them ... yes, soldiers in the war cannot live without stimulants. You know, it’s both scary and hard there ... Therefore, it’s so dense there, which means that everything or almost everything"

- noted Arestovich.

"Zelensky, as the commander-in-chief, takes on the brunt of the situation, so the adviser does not exclude the use of drugs by Zelensky.

He is a living person, not a cyborg… He needs to pass all this through himself. Because tight - not tight ... Nobody has the right to condemn him for this. There really is no need to even discuss it. And let's all get on it!"

https://en.topcor.ru/27609-arestovich-kosvenno-podtverdil-narkoticheskuju-zavisimost-zelenskogo.html

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 21:50 utc | 172

The whole history of attacks upon civilians, whether area bombing in WW2 and Vietnam etc, or targeted assassination have shown that such actions harden the attacked populations support for their nations and increase hatred of the enemy.

Some will point to the two atomic bombs dropped upon Japan as a counterpoint, but that is spurious. The Japanese were ready to surrender as long as the Emperor was kept in place and not tried as a war criminal, which the US would not agree to (the US had fully broken the Japanese codes and therefore knew about the Japanese position). Also, on August 8th Russia entered Manchuria and swiftly destroyed the Japanese army there, sweeping south as far as Korea. The US knew about the plans for this invasion, but nuked Hiroshima on August 6th and Nagasaki on August 9th - even though the utter destruction of the army of Manchuria would have placed even more pressure on the Japanese leadership. The final Japanese surrender with the US allowed the Emperor to stay in place and not be tried as a war criminal, removing any reason for the nuclear attacks.

The death of Dugin's daughter will have the same effect as the torture of Russian soldiers - to increase the drive within the Russian people to fully defeat Ukraine and hold extensive war crime trials.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 22 2022 22:05 utc | 173

He is a living person, not a cyborg…
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 21:50 utc | 173

The Marin Sana plea LOL!

"If there were to be a crisis situation, I would know about it before midnight on a Saturday evening," she told reporters, adding that the Finnish armed forces were well equipped to anticipate any military crisis that might affect the country."
"I want to show that there are ordinary people with ordinary lives in these jobs. I have a family life, I have a work life and I have free time to spend with my friends. Pretty much the same as many people my age"

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 22:06 utc | 174

Number of casualties according to the UN, report from mid August:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/08/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-15-august-2022

main points:
a majority from the East
spike in deaths in March
possibly actual numbers much higher (UN assessments for Iraq were much lower than other assessments)

Posted by: htyul | Aug 22 2022 22:09 utc | 175

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 22:06 utc | 175

That's Schwab and his cult of penetrating-ze-cabinets for ya. Meanwhile electricity prices in EU up generally 10-15x year to date, and they seem to be staying there for a while. Ukraine will probably become a net drain too for EU electric grid too.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2022 22:11 utc | 176

before it gets banned by the bandito Banderistas as a load of commie bull, the marvelous finale of "The Cranes are Flying." (just look at how fake the Stalinist happiness is!)

i was two blocks from white house chugging down some chardonnay while pretending to do duty as night shift concierge at a condo when the news came out that obama had got his boy, OBL. at the time I assumed the story was fake and so my primary interest was people's reaction to the "news". of the 25 or so people who stopped by the concierge desk in this smallish building that night, only one expressed disapproval, not of the murder itself, but of the mindless orgy of celebration. rev those engines and honk those horns! wave those flags! America got its man.

do Americans ever ask, why? what is all this for? what are we building? what are we rebuilding? what's the vision? why are we doing this?

we build bombs and rebuild nothing.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 22 2022 22:18 utc | 177


It is highly unlikely that the Ukraine will ever regain the former Russian territory that in 1922 Vladimir Ilʹich Lenin, for whatever reason , gave to Ukraine and that Russia is currently taking back.

*facepalm*

It's not forbidden to read a book now and then and not just to fall for Putin's Russian chauvinism.

Posted by: v | Aug 22 2022 22:19 utc | 178

No hay que echarle mucha imaginación para comprender las razones que sean de Lenin para unir el Donbass industrial a la Ukrania rural. Con un soviet sólo de campesinos la URSS hubiese perdido su granero cuando más lo necesitaba.

Posted by: Frasco | Aug 22 2022 22:31 utc | 179

Breveski #110

So what do you think the Russians are doing with their custody of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with autumn approaching?

1. Could it be that they have disconnected it from the Ukrainian grid so that it is no longer supplying electricity to Ukraine?
2. Could it be that Ukraine is attacking the plant to express its displeasure at having its supply of electricity terminated?
3. Could it be that the West is freaking out because yet another source of EU energy will not be arriving during the autumn and winter?

Sometimes its just best to go with the obvious intead of overthinking everything...

Thank you, that is my interpretation as well. The westies are unfriendlies and they will be lucky to get even a flintstone from Russia.

If the reactors are kept running at capacity, the power will be switched east and I understand that synchronisation work is underway. This will enable Russian power to back up the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant cooling system in emergency of a shutdown.

If Russia chooses to get mean they can repetitively destroy one Ukrainian grid interconnect after another. Transformers are not a dime a dozen and I guess that by now the black market in Ukraine has sold every spare part to Romania, Poland etc etc.

I can see the day soon where the EU HQ will have CAPITULATION graffiti on its frosted windows.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 22:35 utc | 180

The Hidden Truth about the War in Ukraine

https://www.thepostil.com/author/jacques-baud/

The Last Empire: The Final Days of the Soviet Union

https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-last-empire-the-final-days-of-the-soviet-union-d194262461.html

Posted by: ebear | Aug 22 2022 22:35 utc | 181

@uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 22:35 utc | 181

I think distribution to Ukraine has been terminated, hence the trantrum. Yuzhnoukrainsk will be next, though I doubt it is imminent.

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 22:42 utc | 182

rjb1.5 #171

the desire for justice and the desire for revenge are not the same. another daughter being sacrificed to bloodlust...more greek tragedy please. that'll help. let's target a 12 year old, to torment her mom. cuz the mom deserves it. where does it stop?

Thank you, absolutely must stop. Leave the children out of this vulgar adult stupidity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 22 2022 22:44 utc | 183

@Arioch #168:

The car was allegedly bought with discount after crash in Honolulu. But it is now sold as "never repainted, never repaired".

“Never repainted, never repaired, never used to tail and assassinate a journalist whose opinions we disliked”.

Funny how Putin was always “bad” because he was “killing journalists”, even though there was never a shred of evidence that would even remotely implicate him in anything of the sort.

Yet, now that we have proof—documents, photos, videos—that a unit of the National Guard of the Ukraine, most likely Azov Battalion, is murdering journalists it doesn’t like, the Western media are silent.

Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 22:44 utc | 184

Chas, "The Americans" is literally written by a CIA agent. The Russian dialogue was done by the execrable Masha Gessen of Russiagate et al fame.

It was meant to paint Russians as inhumanly brutal, who relinquish their own desires and even offer their own children up the the Russian cause. It is elementary school propaganda with a blockbuster movie budget. It is anything but 'entertainment'
Posted by: Esme | Aug 22 2022 16:32 utc | 43

I watched about 4 seasons of that series quite a few years ago being fully aware it would be propaganda and not wanting to see the final as it was sure to be disappointing. The surprising thing is that the Russians were not painted as inhumane imo and the American spies were also portrayed as very fallible humans too. In fact I would say that the US side was painted as more bumbling and easy to fool than the Russians. Probably true! I thought it was very well scripted and acted in spite of it being from the US. That is rare but it happens.
I rarely watch anything from the US anymore, it gets worse every year and just can't stand the cultural stupidity and incessant patriotic propaganda.

Posted by: K | Aug 22 2022 22:47 utc | 185

"let's target a 12 year old, to torment her mom. cuz the mom deserves it. where does it stop?"
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 22 2022 21:48 utc | 171

It stops where one considers themselves a human and not an animal. One does not target children, a 12 year old that was an ancillary tool used by the mother. The correct procedure is to apprehend Ms. Vovk and hold her to account based on the judicial standards of the country.

Baying like wolves for blood is unbecoming and degrading. Remember, you are part of the Logos we share with the Divine...

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Aug 22 2022 22:54 utc | 186

Killing Russian Civilians.

Looks like these Azovs are going to be dying long after the end of SMOps

Posted by: IronForge | Aug 22 2022 22:55 utc | 187

S @185--

Western media doesn't even lift a finger to defend Assange. IMO, they are 100% unworthy and not worth the time of day. If they all perished at once, nothing would change and few would lament. The same could be said of the entire US Government and all the Neoliberals in DC and NYC, although things would certainly change but nobody would miss the departed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2022 23:01 utc | 188

Some Daniil Shaban (Natalia Vovk/Saban close relatives most probably) put the car on sale in online flea market.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 22 2022 21:45 utc | 168

She is Natalia Shaban, "Vovk" is a surname (= wolf). Daughter: Sofia Shaban. Danil = likely husband.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 22 2022 23:02 utc | 189

I guess it's a good thing we can't post pics as I'm very tempted to post several showing little children blown to bits by Outlaw US Empire weapons and pics of Imperial Stormtroopers with ears and scalps of their victims as trophies. The crimes the Plundering Nations must answer for number in the hundreds of millions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2022 23:09 utc | 190

Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 22:44 utc | 185

But she was not jour alist!
Neither was Shireen Abu Akleh.
Neither were workers of Belgrade TV tower.
Neither were terrorists of pen and paper who occupied Palestibe hotel in Baghdad.

You should learn better what words mean. Journalists work for CNN and BBC. Others are conmen stealing the honorouble title from real heroes.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 22 2022 23:11 utc | 191

I'd bet that the suicide of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Nakonechny, an officer of the SBU, the Ukrainian Security Service, is a result of this assassination. He learned that the FSB solved the crime quickly and was looking for the perps. He probably calculated that the thread would lead to others, and he was one of those others. So he knew he was a dead man before he pulled the trigger.
And if this is correct, then there are others near and above him in equal danger. There will be more fallout besides just capturing the perps.

Posted by: Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 192

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 22 2022 23:02 utc | 190

Both are surnames, before and after marriage.

As far as i got it, she is Natalia Vovk nee Shaban. Maybe i got it backwards, i do not feel like re-checking.

Anyway, the link #2 seems to anchor Daniil to a specific position in her extended family, for those who care for details.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 22 2022 23:22 utc | 193

Am I the only one wondering:

hmmm.... body not identifiable
hmmm.... killer identified within 24 hours

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:23 utc | 194

This is Yeats a century on: "A terrible duty is born.."
Multipolarity means cleaning up after empire and rampant greed. It means the rational discussion and concerted solution of the problems that have piled up in the past.
It was not a mission that Russia or China, Iran or anywhere else wanted to shoulder but a job that has to be done and in which the first step is the detention and sedation of a corrupt imperialism.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 18:29 utc | 95

That is well said, bevin. And I think it fits with the appropriate award by Putin of the Medal of Courage to Dunya Dugin.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 22 2022 23:26 utc | 195

@Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:23 utc | 196

Am I the only one wondering:
hmmm.... body not identifiable
No, there are certainly more ignorants and dimwits out there.
DNA sequence in direct succession allows 100% certain identification, ok unless A.Dugin had more daughters.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 22 2022 23:27 utc | 196

Software translation of the "ZOV" memoir by Russian paratrooper Pavel Filatyev, who fought for the first few months of the war in the Kherson-Mikholaiv front. A really interesting read, but I'm more of a sucker than most for the "cutting moral observations on war and how it's conducted" flavor of military memoir ("Fear" by Chevalier being my favorite)

https://czmyt.substack.com/p/zovpdf-machine-translation-to-english

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 22 2022 23:30 utc | 197

@Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 193

I made the same connection, murder or suicide. However adept the SBU is at their craft, the FSB is light years ahead of them.

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 198

1- Russia claims to have intel on all Azov nazies, that will use it to go after them all and will use it as proof in the trials in the Donbass;

2- an ukrainian woman connected to Azov goes to Russia, starts living there, free as a bird;

3- russian woman hated in the West and a minor symbol in Russia is killed in terrorist attack in the heart of Russia;

4- very quickly, FSB has all details but somehow wasn't able to stop the terrorist attack;

It doesn't take a genius to know that this was either a false flag of FSB, or that FSB decided to let it happen, to let the Ukrainian connected to Azov enter Russia and walk free in order to do all this.
This terrorist attack serves all purposes of Russia right now:

a) call Ukraine a terrorist state;

b) rally more people to support the SMO, even those that were still undecided;

c) use this as justification for the actions taking place in the next days/weeks/months that will probably be an escalation, and the death sentence of all Azov prisoners of war;

d) give western governments and press one more chance to show their hate towards Russian and let them demonize themselves in the eyes of Russian people;

e) put Russian nationalism on steroids and justify non-Democratic actions by the majority against those that still talk against this military intervention;

Either this is the correct analysis of this chain of events that lead to the successful terrorist attack against a single person... Or the alternative is that either Ukraine has the best secret services in thr world... Or Russia has the worst ones. Since those 2 possibilites are equaly unlikely, then my analysis is correct.

Just like Skripal was a false flag by the British secret services (or something they were monitoring and decided to let happen), where also intel appeared very unbelievably quickly about who was to blame. And also not quick enough to prevent an assassination of a single person, whose death serves so many geopolitical objectives and is just right for the regime's propaganda.

I no longer believe anyone on any side. I always assume the worst case scenario is the actual truth. Humans already have a horrible nature. Humans with power are pure evil on earth. They all lie. They all have bad intentions. They all kill in the name of their goals.

Humans that don't crave power, are the ones that should be in power. Right now that's impossible. And Capitalism "meritocracy" only makes it even worse. And until we find a different system, we'll have war and terrorism, crisis and inequality, coups and fake news, and lions for lambs.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 199

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:23 utc | 196

That is MY IDEA. You are forbidden to use it without firstly paying me a 15% patent fee.

Bonus : For that fair price you will also get free and unlimited access to the comments I made yesterday in the relevant thread.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 22 2022 23:40 utc | 200

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