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August 22, 2022
Ukraine – Dugina Killer Identified – War Of Attrition Continues

It seems that Russian authorities have found the killer of Darya Dugina.


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The killer, one Natalya Vovk, is associated with the Azov Nazis of Ukraine. So is her brother. Both are in Ukraine right now but will probably flee elsewhere.

Yelensis has details that point to willful murder of Darya Dugina:´

[A]n important clarification was already delivered by the experts: As to the question whether the bomb was on a timer or remote control, the answer already came in: Remote control. This fact has huge ramifications. WarGonzo blogger Semyon Pegov points out that the person who pressed the remote-control button to ignite the bomb, would have been in visual contact with the car and its occupant: “In other words, the terrorists who were supposedly out to blow Dugin up in his own car, would have observed, how Darya got into the car instead. Not the original target. And then they would have had to make a decision: To blow up, or not to blow up? And they took the decision: Go ahead and blow up the daughter. So, Darya became the new target. And this is, it goes without saying, an entirely new level of terrorism. Not even your average ISIS terrorist would take such a low step.”

Aleksandr Dugin, Darya's father, as well as his daughter had been threatened:

The Ukrainians threaten and blacklist everybody in the world who doesn’t give them full and unconditional support.

Dugin, however, is a special case, and particularly hated by the West and their proxies. Both Dugin and his daughter are on American/British “sanctions” lists. Dugin has been the recipient of non-stop hate-speech for years now. Westies hate and demonize him because of his philosophical ideas and anti-Liberal ideology. Darya herself has a degree in Political Philosophy and shared her father’s ideology. Both were strong supporters of the Russian “Special Military Operation” against the Ukraine. Which would have made them “fair game” according to the usual Ukrainian standards. However, nothing has been proved yet, so we shall just have to wait and see.

In the continuation of this story, we will discuss Dugin’s “harmful” ideas, some interesting history of his political career; and how the Westie press is inhumanely revelling in his grief.

You can catch Yelensis' writings at Awful Avalanche.

Meanwhile the fighting in Ukraine continues with recent Russian offenses launched on all fronts. In the north the slow move to Karkiv continues. The Russian forces in the south move towards Mykolaiv (Nikolaev). In the east attacks against Soledar and Bakhmut continue. All these moves are supported by intense strikes on every Ukrainian headquarter and troop concentration the Russian military intelligence can find. This hunting down and killing of complete battalions and brigades behind the immediate frontline is costing a lot of Ukrainian soldiers' lives and is preventing any Ukrainian countermoves. This is on top of the daily massive artillery use against Ukrainian frontline positions.

In a recent interview Colonel Markus Reisner of the Austrian army described the situation (in German). Some excerpts:

If you look at the battles in detail, you can see one thing from a military point of view: the western arms deliveries are having an effect, but still not in a resounding and sustainable form. The result must be measurable. Only when the Russian attacks are completely stopped or when the Russian troops retreat (similar to the situation around Kyiv in March 2022) can one actually speak of a turning point in the war from a sober, objective and military point of view. The western arms shipments that have arrived so far mean that the Ukrainian armed forces have "too much to die and too little to live". If the 16 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers delivered from the USA so far have achieved understandable success, the question arises: Why is the USA not delivering more?

May be because it does not have more to give but more likely is that the U.S. wants to prolong the conflict at a near stalemate as long as possible.

Can Ukraine win this war?

If the West does not deliver increased numbers of state-of-the-art weapons (including above all artillery and multiple rocket launchers, but also long-range anti-aircraft defense systems) to Ukraine in the coming weeks, Ukraine will not be able to win this conflict. It is therefore in the hands of the West how this war will continue. As long as Ukraine cannot protect its airspace against Russian cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, any regional military rearmament seems illusory. But this is necessary if Ukraine wants to regain possession of the lost land. Those areas that you need to be able to survive economically.

It is highly unlikely that the Ukraine will ever regain the former Russian territory that in 1922 Vladimir Ilʹich Lenin, for whatever reason, gave to Ukraine and that Russia is currently taking back. A war of attrition, which Russia with its industrial capability to sustain endlessly, can not be won by Ukraine. Even more massive support from the 'west' would be insufficient.

But the war will be won on a different front:

Modern warfare is above all a war of minds. The image we have of a conflict decisively shapes our opinion on it. It determines whether we perceive a conflict as "just" and whether we are willing to support it. At the moment, in the conflict in Ukraine, this support begins in our communications and ends in the delivery of weapons. It is therefore always the aim of the opponents to influence the respective other side. The military calls this approach "cognitive warfare." A comprehensive war of attrition is rarely decided on the battlefield, but often in the minds of the population in the hinterland.

For the Russian side, the decisive point of attack is therefore the West's willingness to continue to support Ukraine. Russia is therefore trying to weaken this willingness in all available domains (especially in the cyber and information space). Extraction of raw materials and threats of nuclear weapons are the weapons used here to achieve an effect. The West, on the other hand, is trying to hit the cohesion of Russian society. Sanction packages and economic punitive measures are intended to exert pressure. The Russian economy is already taking a serious hit. The question is, will these bring about a change in behavior or not? At the moment, decisive success cannot be measured either on the battlefield or on the home front, which makes it clear that the guns in Ukraine are far from silent.

The extremely stupid European sanctions against Russian energy have caused severe damage to European economies. This is already breaking  the 'western' will for further support of Ukraine. During July none of the bigger European countries has promised and delivered more heavy weapons to Ukraine.

On August 24 Ukraine has some independence holiday. Zelensky and his team will likely want to present some 'success' for that day. A nasty incident around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which the Ukraine continues to shell,  or elsewhere can therefore be expected to happen over the next few days.

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People in Central and Eastern Europe treated the West as an oasis of freedom, truth and prosperity. As the socialist bloc collapsed, it gradually became apparent that the West was a gang of corporate thieves and political gangsters. For me personally, Western music, after 2014, is gradually losing all of its current splendor.

Posted by: Janek | Aug 22 2022 23:55 utc | 201

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 201
Same punishment than Scorpion !
24 hours ago, small clues in the official narrative of the bombing were already enough to understand it was probably staged.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 202

DNA sequence in direct succession allows 100% certain identification, ok unless A.Dugin had more daughters.
Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 22 2022 23:27 utc | 198
Did you read they identified the body that way? All I saw was a report that said the body was ‘unidentifiable.’

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 203

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 204
Ha ha ha!
Apologies. I remember some people discussing your comment(s) but think I might have missed the gems in question. I alternate between a cell phone and desktop and sometimes don’t line things up correctly.
In any case, as is said: ‘great minds think alike!’
I don’t have a formed opinion or axe to grind. But this is a time of war so anything one reads or hears is more likely than not part of an influence campaign. Of course, this could be just what it seems, but then again…
Common sense.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 0:18 utc | 204

As Ukraine stages another terrorist attack against civilians, Russia becomes stronger. You can kill the flesh. The spirit never dies.
Rest in peace Darya.

Posted by: Goran | Aug 23 2022 0:20 utc | 205

The body was not recognizable. Furthermore, the regular cop are not in charge of the inquiry.
The only known eyewitness of the bombing is the father. It is such because he decided to left the meeting 10 minutes before the other attending peoples.
The car numbers too are not recognizable, and there are conflicting narratives about the model, who was the owner and who was the usual driver.
Therefore, it happened in such way that nobody (but Dugin and the security forces) can check that it was real. . .
This official narrative can’t be a Popperian truth. How is it ?

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 0:20 utc | 206

Did you read they identified the body that way? All I saw was a report that said the body was ‘unidentifiable.’
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 205

Assuming that the father provided a sample immediately, or they already had a sample from the daughter, it would still take a couple of days for a conclusive DNA test result.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 23 2022 0:22 utc | 207

@Parisian Guy | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 204
You may very well be correct, but the narrative has been established, the West has been caught unprepared and the Russians control the crime scene. So the story is Vovk did it and that’s pretty much what the majority of people – East AND West – are going to believe now. Looks like those in the know are going to have to revise the adage that the Ukrainians are winning the information war…

Posted by: Prosley | Aug 23 2022 0:23 utc | 208


Maybe Russia even set up sleeper cells during the last few years in case the old USSR cells were shut down. After all, Putin is a pretty smart cookie and has KGB experience.
Posted by: Chas | Aug 22 2022 16:03 utc | 30

And of equal or greater importance is the fact that the KGB was lucky enough to be blessed with some Putin experience and influence, before he was annointed as President of Russia.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 23 2022 0:42 utc | 209

There was never such a thing as Ukraine until 1991. Ukraine was immediately an American colony. Ukraine existed as a notion held by ethnic nationalists only since 1880s. As an entity it has only existed 31 years.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 15:04 utc | 3
https://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/1871-1914/section2/ many of the people who were in Bismarks time were supporters of the Zionist congresses that were happening ever more frequenctly after Hertzl in 1897.. these people were involved with energy, rail roads, and were hell bent on Isolating Gremany (sanctions would be a better word) from its highly efficient technology and manufacturing know-how.. additionally Germany had given the Ottoman at large railroad network, and were in the process of producing Ottoman oil.. This competition was too much for those involved in the Zionist movement it seems. Has anyone traced from 1850s.. to 1947?

Posted by: snake | Aug 23 2022 0:42 utc | 210

Nemesis@138
“Hilarious, bevin, that you insist that China and Russia are legitimately concerned about climate change. Hogwash! How much gas does Putin sell Europe? Isn’t that where his leverage lies, in natural resource extraction? I am sure Putin is interested in windmills and solar, brah!..”
You make the mistake of thinking that the PR campaigns been waged in the west, as alternatives to dealing with climate change are to be taken seriously. They aren’t which is why neither Russia nor China are similarly engaged in pretending to ban nuclear power and the use of wind and solar panels.
The reality is that we don’t have a choice-climate change will require concerted action on an international scale-not corporate bribes, consumption taxes and virtue signaling. In the meantime the alternative to supplying Europe with gas is Europe supplying itself with gas at a much higher environmental cost.
“China and Russia’s covid game-playing was also complete subterfuge. Putin using his covid-response to appear responsible to the super-duper concerned EU who were busy and still are terrorizing their people with mandates.”
This is nonsense that I and my disinfected bargepole are going to turn away from.
“…China feels no shame in locking down their people to a degree that generally makes a westerner blush. The thinking and tackling of the problem to China is antithetical to any westerner…”
This is crude racism- turn of the C20th California style. The truth is sobering: China took the responsible course in attempting to eradicate this plague which is now going to become another epidemic disease in a globe increasingly susceptible to them.
I guess life is not as cheap in the Peoples Republic of China (Korea and Taiwan)as it is in the US, the UK or Brazil and Sweden.
Putting business before vulnerable lives is, unsurprisingly, antithetical to any western capitalist regime.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 23 2022 0:44 utc | 211

Posted by: Prosley | Aug 23 2022 0:23 utc | 210
Your diagnosis is correct. And the western media can’t teach the masses about the power to fake events . . .

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 0:51 utc | 212

Bevin
Everyone wants clean water and air. Not even climate scientists in the West believe CO2 has any meaningful impact on climate.

Posted by: NJH | Aug 23 2022 0:51 utc | 213

karlof1@98
Here is another, by Antonio Camacho Negrón who is an activist for the independence of Puerto Rico and a former political prisoner:
“… In the medium and long term, Russia wins the war, disarms Ukraine, occupies it for a relatively short time, establishes a government allied with its interests, strengthens its own economy with the reconstruction of Ukraine and with the expansion of its commercial ties with China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. For centuries to come, it also militarily secures its weakest flanks in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.
“In the medium and long term, with respect to the United States and Europe, the excessive effects of their actions will keep inflation high, thus weakening the dollar and the euro and making SWIFT lose relevance in the face of Asian interbank systems.
“The economic crisis will bring out the contradictions between and within Western nations, which will give way to the destruction of their veneer of cohesion and unleash a social implosion.
Paradoxically, in the long term, without even having participated directly in the conflict, the one who will truly be the winner is China: the yuan is strengthened, ties with Russia are further deepened, exports are increased, and, to the detriment of the United States, its geopolitical influence rises.
“In the end, the imperial politicians and planners, carried away by the arrogant pride that characterizes them, were the ones who really made the miscalculation. They made plans for Russia that were much larger than the measures they could take to achieve them, and were thus doomed to defeat before the conflict even began.
“When we look at Putin in comparison to US and European leaders, regardless of the fact that we do not agree with any of them, the only one who demonstrates a dialectical analytical capacity and a holistic conception of the world is Putin. It’s not for nothing that Western leaders hate him so much; he is running laps around them.”
https://orinocotribune.com/how-russia-thwarted-us-imperial-plans-in-ukraine-and-beyond/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 23 2022 0:58 utc | 214

Paradoxically, in the long term, without even having participated directly in the conflict, the one who will truly be the winner is China: the yuan is strengthened, ties with Russia are further deepened, exports are increased, and, to the detriment of the United States, its geopolitical influence rises.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 23 2022 0:58 utc | 216

China is unquestionable the #1 mercantile power in the world and actively suppressing the appreciation of the yuan played no small part in that accomplishment. An overly strong yuan would encourage production to move to lower cost jurisdictions, as is already happening to a small degree. If a strengthening yuan continued, China could eventually become a net importer with a negative balance of trade, as previously happened to the USA. Would they then implement tariffs or other trade barriers to protect their domestic economy?
I have seen no indication to date that China wants the Yuan to appreciate and potentially become a dominant world reserve currency. But there is every indication that protectionist trade measures are on the table.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 23 2022 1:20 utc | 215

Dear b and to the barflies,
The assassination of Darya Dugin, has some interesting aspects that to me relate to the Port Arthur Massacre of 1996. In this Massacre, organised by the CIA and run by an MI6 operative, have one similarity. There was a major cock-up. In the Port Arthur Massacre, the original targets were to be two busloads of American tourists, but the times had altered so that the original target was not available for the timetable and so the Broad Arrow Café was selected instead.
Now before all of the trolls and ignoramuses scream blue murder and demand to know how this information came about, it was because the ASIO spooks told us themselves. When the shooting started in the Broad Arrow Café, Anthony Nightingale from the Noble Park branch of the Commonwealth Bank stood up when everybody else was hitting the floor, and yelled out; “No, no, not here.” and was immediately shot in the throat and died. “No, no, not here’ is rather specific, and this evidence was related by a survivor, Peter Crosswell, and then reiterated by the DPP, Damian Bugg. Much later, another Commonwealth Bank employee, Lin Beavis sued her employers, Audiometrics (ASIO) and the Commonwealth Bank for injuries she received (mentally) when she had to enter the Broad Arrow Café to identify other employees of the Commonwealth Bank. What that is telling us is that both of these ’employees’ who were on ‘holidays’ at the time of the massacre, and of course there is no way that their employer would cover them whilst on holidays, is there, ergo, they had to be working undercover and that can only mean ASIO. One of the CIA’s employees, Dennis Olsen was also wounded in the Broad Arrow Café receiving shotgun pellets wounds to the face and upper body.
Now back to the Russian assassination. We have all read of the various Western MSM articles written about Aleksandr Dugin and his supposed ties to Putin, and these were composed well before the assassination. This tells us two things, that Aleksandr Dugin was to be the original target, and then, since we have seen these articles so too had the FSB. Can you understand this? Once the British and American MSM target Aleksandr Dugin, then the FSB are both aware of, and concerned about where these Western MSM articles are going.
Now let us go to the assassination. Both father and daughter have attended the festival, but on leaving, Aleksandr is stopped by ‘friends from accompanying his daughter in the Toyota? Why! And who were these friends? Were they FSB assigned to watch over Aleksandr Dugin? Had they witnessed the placement of the bomb underneath the driver’s position of the Toyota? Did they believe that by stopping Aleksandr from travelling in the Toyota that they had stopped the assassination, and that they would have been able to later retrieve the bomb as evidence?
Now, what about Natalya Vovk? Was she seen placing the bomb? Did she witness Aleksandr’s friends stopping him from travelling in the Toyota? Is that when she realised that she had been spotted and then used the detonation of the bomb to give her and her daughter time to flee? We are aware that the bomb required visual sightings for detonation, so Natalya Vovk had to have been in close proximity, and she was able to flee to Estonia.
That is my take on this matter, and I believe that the FSB will now be busily cleaning up all those who they have witnessed being connected to this assassination.

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | Aug 23 2022 1:34 utc | 216

The Azov whore Vovk has just guaranteed the extermination of the government of the Nazi-riddled Eesti Vabariik.

Posted by: черная лиса | Aug 23 2022 1:35 utc | 217

Posted by: NJH | Aug 23 2022 0:51 utc | 215
more fossil fuel shilling. of course climate scientists in the west, and the east, and the south and the north believe in global warming. just like they believe in gravity.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:40 utc | 218

interesting conjecture here from a number of posters going at this from a few directions…. thanks… i don’t know but i am leaning towards a set up by fsb..

Posted by: james | Aug 23 2022 1:40 utc | 219

@ Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 193
that is especially interesting speculation and i see only 1 person has responded to your comment -> @ Breveski | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 200
that speculation pushes me in the opposite direction…

Posted by: james | Aug 23 2022 1:42 utc | 220

i am therefore undecided on this and who is responsible for it..

Posted by: james | Aug 23 2022 1:44 utc | 221

the speculation that the Russians whacked Dugin’s daughter is right up there with the speculation that the Russians are shelling the nuclear plant they occupy. those dirty russians, killing their own people! we better invade etc etc etc. just like the “speculation” that this is all kabuki between Russia, China and the US, in the end it lets the US and NATO off the hook. as it is designed to do.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 222

I’d bet that the suicide of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Nakonechny, an officer of the SBU, the Ukrainian Security Service, is a result of this assassination.
Posted by: Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 193
That sounds like a quite plausible connection. Good catch!
“Suicide”
……
did he jump or was he pushed?
……

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 1:53 utc | 223

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 0:20 utc | 208
do they have dna tests in france p guy?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:57 utc | 224

@pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 224
No it is substantially different, as it strips emotion from the equation and follows the logic of the facts themselves.
Fact: the assassination took place on Russian soil. Fact: the assassination creates an emotional response in the Russian people that can be harnessed to specific action. Fact: the West seems to have been caught unawares and has failed to create its own narrative. Fact: Summer is coming to an end and with it likely a new stage in the SMO will begin.
None of these FACTS are dispositive, but they are consistent with the tradecraft during wartime. In war, people do terrible things for “the greater good.” Both sides.

Posted by: Prosley | Aug 23 2022 2:11 utc | 225

the speculation that the Russians whacked Dugin’s daughter is right up there with the speculation that the Russians are shelling the nuclear plant they occupy…. just like the “speculation” that this is all kabuki between Russia, China and the US….
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 224
Quite reasonable.
Here’s another speculation: RF Intel became aware of immanent hit on Dugina by car bomb and found a way to stage it somehow. Dugina is alive and well. But RF Gov now has a good pretext to becoming more ruthless, something the Russian people will be demanding – no small thing.
Meanwhile, the erstwhile perpetrator will lead them to her originating cell one of whom, as per a post earlier in this thread (Posted by: Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 193) may be an actual or assisted suicide.
Am not attached to this possibility either. Again: the ‘unidentified’ body combined with almost instant identification of the killer is a tad suspicious.
As to geopolitical coordination, yes it’s far-fetched. But so is how the US and Chinese both were working on gain of function corona in Wuhan (and no doubt other labs). Some (like Unz) say the American dunnit, others the Chinese. But since they were both sharing research and results, the possibility that they both dunnit is a distinct possibility.
Further, we know that China is leading social credit and researching digital currency etc. along with various western nations on the Great Reset train. So the globalistas in both China and the WEF sphere – at east most western leadership, the same leadership representing the .001% not the people – are working towards the same end namely a collapse of the current system in the West and some sort of Reset thereafter. There is no reason why there may not be significant cooperation between many of the western movers and shakers, including the oligarch class most of whom own factories in China and more, and many of the Eurasian movers and shakers.
Because what is seemingly going on right now in the West is a serious shakedown.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 2:12 utc | 226

the speculation that the Russians whacked Dugin’s daughter is right up there with the speculation that the Russians are shelling the nuclear plant they occupy. those dirty russians, killing their own people! we better invade etc etc etc. just like the “speculation” that this is all kabuki between Russia, China and the US, in the end it lets the US and NATO off the hook. as it is designed to do.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 224
Thanks. Completely agree.

Posted by: K | Aug 23 2022 2:16 utc | 227

In war, people do terrible things for “the greater good.” Both sides.
Posted by: Prosley | Aug 23 2022 2:11 utc | 227
Really? So you know for a fact that Russia is prepared to murder its own citizens?
No you don’t.
There is zero need or reason for Russia to do this. Either politically or militarily.
The people are behind the government and the SMO.
Your logic is the same as the west claiming Assad used chemical weapons his own citizens when Syria was winning the war.

Posted by: K | Aug 23 2022 2:37 utc | 228

Not sure if this was pointed out by the control troll in the 2nd post claiming that the FSB watched while it was going down and happened. Critical thinking would answer NOT possible! the fact that she was able to flee the scene and escape from the Russian territory PROVES she acted b4 they were on to her!
lol, the FSB is not the FBI !
they don’t set up citizens with guns and explosives to terrorize their own people!
My guys hide my sons laptops full of kiddie porn and smoking crack with hookers videos.
Joe tzu

Posted by: BurnEye Minds3rdEye | Aug 23 2022 2:38 utc | 229

@pretzelattack, totally agree – you can add to that category the speculation that Ukraine killed all those civilians at Bucha, or detonated massive bombs in the Mariupol theater and maternity hospital courtyard, Tochka’d the railway station at Kramatorsk, downed MH17, etc. In the real world, false flags are rare because the cost of a botched operation is almost always infinitely worse than the benefit of a successful one.
That said, I don’t 100% buy the FSB story, which seems a little pat (and quick to come out) – awfully convenient to have an Azov vet working totally alone and safely out of the country so case closed and no need for a trial; with no direct evidence presented that she planted the bomb, her role could have been surveillance as part of a larger cell that they’d rather not cop to have running around in the greater Moscow area.
But think about it in terms of cost/benefit. The damage from a false flag gone wrong is infinitely higher than the benefit of a false flag gone right (some people marginally more likely to support a war that already has Iraq War circa 2003 levels of support). It would be frankly pretty insane for Russia’s security services to make that calculation.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 23 2022 2:48 utc | 230

Oops, editing fail. Meant to delete the redundant 3rd graf above

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 23 2022 2:49 utc | 231

Most corrupt and tainted Organization – SBU. I do not need a suicide to link the Dugina murder. I believe b. listed the facts, no further speculation needed. The war continues and the round of fake news in the west spends time on the plot exposed by exiled Russian Ilya Ponomarev and his unsourced “National Republican Army” of dissidents. Dutch “Mockingbird” News had a full clip ready for broadcast with link to Stalin, a bit of Soviet history. Really pissed me off.
Has the FSB already revealed everything? Who could be behind the murder of Daria Dugina | Svobada / RFERL |
https://www.svoboda.org/a/fsb-uzhe-vse-raskryla-kto-mozhet-stoyatj-za-ubiystvom-darji-duginoy/31999191.html

Zelenskyy wants to replace Ukraine’s top spy after security failures | Politico – June 23, 2022 |
Zelenskyy is looking to replace Bakanov, who now runs Ukraine’s spy agency, with someone more suitable to serve as the wartime chief of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), according to four officials close to the president and a Western diplomat who has advised Kyiv on reforms needed to revamp the SBU.
💬 SBU and corruption: Zelensky takes charge to clean house of traitors – July 27, 2022

Posted by: Oui | Aug 23 2022 3:00 utc | 232

FSB was derelict in not affording this woman protection.

Posted by: Ken B | Aug 23 2022 3:04 utc | 233

the speculation that the Russians whacked Dugin’s daughter is right up there with the speculation that the Russians are shelling the nuclear plant they occupy…
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 224

I didn’t notice anyone saying the Russians whacked Dugina. What is possible is that:
a) Dugina was not in the car (unidentifiable remains, the noted poor acting job by her father at the scene)
This implies that either; the FSB was aware of the plot and steered it to where they wanted it to go, or used it as a straight up false flag. (Skriptal playbook)
or
b) The FSB allowed it to happen, willing to sacrifice either or both for propaganda purposes (One potential 9-11 playbook).

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 23 2022 3:08 utc | 234

Jesus, @Opport Knocks, I detest Dugin’s ideas and advocacy as much as anyone but to say that a father grieving his daughter’s death was giving a “poor acting job” is just nauseating and almost inhuman. Show some goddamn compassion.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 23 2022 3:15 utc | 235

“Why is the USA not delivering more?”
“May be because it does not have more to give but more likely is that the U.S. wants to prolong the conflict at a near stalemate as long as possible.”
Sorry, but this doesn’t make sense to me. If the U.S. wants to prolong the war, it will supply as much as much weaponry to Ukraine as it possibly can. It is Russia who is winning, slowly but implacably. Supplying less will hasten Ukraine’s demise.

Posted by: Michael Lubin | Aug 23 2022 3:25 utc | 236

I have not got a particular theory but each of the following is plausible:
1. As Russia claims it was the Ukraine – Azov faction, the intended victim was father but daughter copped it. Russian security missed the event entirely although they expected an attack at some time (they clearly knew the perpetrator and had been watching her). Pretty sloppy work if this is the case
2. The Russians knew of the attack and warned Dugin away, not believing that they would go ahead and kill the daughter anyway. Perhaps they planned to find the bomb and arrest the woman. Not so much sloppy but very, very naive.
3. The Russians knew, warned Dugin and also managed to save Dugina, who is spirited away with a new identity. Possible and the one I hope is true, but perhaps far fetched.
4. Russians knew and sacrificed Dugina. I very, very much doubt this because way too dangerous, knowing her father’s profile.
5. Dugina and/or her father were players and even double agents etc. Cannot be ruled out, but there are much better ways to deal with spies and double agents. Very far fetched.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 23 2022 3:26 utc | 237

@K | Aug 23 2022 2:37 utc | 230
You repond like an emotionally wrought child. Dogmatic assertions that “they would never do this” and “there is zero need or reason” are emotional statements, not statement of fact.
No, I do not know for a fact that this was a Russian op. In fact, if required to wager I would identify it as a Ukrainian one. But when examining who benefits, it will likely be Russia. Your emotional reponse is exactly what such things are intended to evoke, as they interfere with logic and impel action without much forethought.
“The people,” whoever they are, are behind the op. They are not at present, however, in favor of general mobilisation as part of the op. And general mobilisation will likely be required to occupy Kherson, Zaporizhzhya and the Donbass while the Russia military takes Odessa, Kharkov and Dnipro regions. And that is a fact, not an emotional outburst.
I can think of no better low-cost way of generating an emotional response among “the people” that would support a general mobilisation. And with all due respect, the Bolshiveks were eminently capable of such action. So I have no doubt the Russians are as well.

Posted by: Prosley | Aug 23 2022 3:26 utc | 238

…to say that a father grieving his daughter’s death was giving a “poor acting job” is just nauseating and almost inhuman. Show some goddamn compassion.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 23 2022 3:15 utc | 237

Chill man, I was only repeating what posters on other threads/forums had noticed. Clear your cerebral cortex of some obvious emotional cognitive bias, then watch the videos and then make up your own mind.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 23 2022 4:06 utc | 239

it’s nice to see a new spin on “go to work with your parent” day from the West.
i can hear HRC or the like now: “I’ve always supported strong women in the workplace. And strong women raise strong daughters, with values and courage and the skills for the future.”

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 23 2022 4:14 utc | 240

My,my…what are you people smoking? I think I know, your own nervous system is burning down.
Give yourselves a break!! You’re overheating!
Cease the futile SPECULATION!!

Posted by: donten | Aug 23 2022 4:20 utc | 241

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 2:12 utc | 228
Again: the ‘unidentified’ body combined with almost instant identification of the killer is a tad suspicious.
almost instant identification of the killer
Police go to the residence of the victim to inspect her apartment. They speak with the other residents to determine if they noticed anything out of the ordinary.
Police learn that one resident was newly arrived within the last month. Police determine this resident is no longer present in Moscow by tracking her car license plate. Police determine immediately after the killing this suspect crossed the border into Estonia. Further searches on make and model of car determine car entered Russia using DPR plates, travelled within Moscow on second set of plates and departed RF on 3rd set of plates. Having possession of multiple plates and switching them to avert tracking is strongly suggestive of very savvy criminal or a foreign intelligence operation. After collecting description information, surveillance footage, information on the child it is possible to match this information with a database of foreign operatives.
the ‘unidentified’ body
Owner of the car is father of the victim. Police speak to father, learn he was to accompany daughter on drive home then altered these plans at the last moment. Father has not seen daughter since the night of the incident.Police search of the daughter’s residence shows she never returned home from the event she attended with her father. There was only one body in the car. One does not need to be a Poirot to conclude the unrecognisable body is that of the missing daughter. The police will take samples and confirm this supposition by DNA testing.
is a tad suspicious ??? Really?
What is curious is that a car wrecked in Honolulu ends up in 404 and is used by the suspect in a political murder. Presuming there exists only the one Honolulu, Hawaii, how does this wrecked car get from point A to pont B? Is there a regular traffic in American wrecks being sold to 404? Or does this suggest another state with a motive to carry out this killing.
The daughter is reported to have been writing an expose of the AZOV gang. She appears to have been murdered by a member of that gang. The murder appears impromptu and poorly executed.
Question – What information does the reported expose contain? Who else does it implicate? Is the Big Guy mentioned? His son? What did Burisma get in return for its $88,000 a month payments? Is any of this related to issues of nuclear proliferation? Violations of the BWC?
Want to bet the suspected killer mysteriously ends up in the same location as Jimmy Hoffa? A woman with too many secrets and too few lives to spare.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 23 2022 4:23 utc | 242

@213 bevin
What is more racist: identifying underlying differences that different cultures can never help to bridge or not even acknowledging that different preferences exist within the east and west?
I also said I was merely hazarding a guess. Maybe the Chinese really were looking out for their people and the early videos of people dying in the street which were sent to the west for consumption and to “prep us” were legit. Again…who knows.
But I will say unequivocally that Chinese people by and large are probably much more primed to accept government reaching into their lives than, say, an American. It’s the troof. It not racist!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 23 2022 4:30 utc | 243

As usual:
Bevin writes in response to NemesisCalling, and a few others. Those “few others” being:
Parisian Guy
Opport Knocks, and
Scorpion
Those last three propose that Maria Dugina was murdered by the FSB so it could “score points” in…where, exactly? Against the Ukrainian Nazi secret police?
Except that the Westie press is applauding the death of this innocent woman–yes, a journalist–and completely neglecting the fact that it was almost certainly done by a Ukrainian Nazi woman who also carried her 12 year old daughter along for the ride.
So…score what “points”, exactly?
Three accounts clapping one another on the back over a patently stupid–as in STOOOOOPID on the level of 1st-grade fantasies about how kewl it would be to be Spiderman–idea of false-flag operations; one overtly Nazi account (NemesisCalling) who only ever seems to receive responses from bevin and (obliquely) juliana, and then there’s karlof1, william gruff, uncle tungsten, and a few others who are avoiding all of the social turbulence with their typical style and class.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 23 2022 4:43 utc | 244

They seem to have gathered so much info on the perp in such a short time, the question is: could they have stopped it? Surely changing the license plate must be illegal and must have been flagged. Probably they don’t have the manpower to sift through all the data. But aren’t they supposed to be topnotch in the AI business? Is that a failure of AI?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Aug 23 2022 4:48 utc | 245

Probably they don’t have the manpower to sift through all the data. But aren’t they supposed to be topnotch in the AI business? Is that a failure of AI?
Posted by: Robert Macaire | Aug 23 2022 4:48 utc | 249
No it’s a failure of your own Artificial Intelligence AKA western brainwashing.
What is it with people expecting Russia to perform 100% in all areas otherwise its a conspiracy?
Thye are trying to conduct a military operation against the entire western world.
Can you give them a minute?

Posted by: K | Aug 23 2022 5:23 utc | 246

: K | Aug 22 2022 21:44 utc | 239
Just posted over on the other thread which is more or less dead now—–
Thanks for this comment – the community and communal basis as the foundation of all aspects of social existence can not be ignored
What was evident to the Greeks is evident to all peasant and pre peasant (pre agriculture) ways of life
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 5:22 utc | 242

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 5:56 utc | 247

Public Service Announcement:
“Please Do NOT Feed the Trolls”
The attempted thread-highjackings today and yesterday were more successful than they should have been. Please observe the thread topic posted at the top, and if some other commenter repeatedly returns with important information having zero relevence to that thread (such as “evil spirits have infested my router”, or possibly “my icesheet is bigger than your icesheet”) then please exert all possible self-restraint to ignore the provocations.
we now return you to your previously scheduled topic.

Posted by: greenJello | Aug 23 2022 6:00 utc | 248

Larry relates how US agents will have all the family of a politician killed to demoralize his supporters. How is it that the US can do that and the citizens not know it? Mysyery.
Posted by: Richard L | Aug 22 2022 20:35 utc | 136
I knew Larry by another alias, Dr Keith Allan Noble, just one of many he has used. Think CIA/MI6, and yes, he would know how to kill.

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | Aug 23 2022 6:06 utc | 249

Did anybody hear anything further about the alleged use of type B Botulinum toxin by 404 against Russian soldiers?

«Russia is preparing official confirmation of tests taken from Russian troops hospitalized with signs of severe poisoning upon completing their mission in the Zaporozhye Region for sending to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), the Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday» reported Tass, Russian News Agency.

Posted by: Goingo | Aug 23 2022 6:08 utc | 250

@Scorpion | Aug 22 2022 23:58 utc | 205

DNA sequence in direct succession allows 100% certain identification, ok unless A.Dugin had more daughters.
Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 22 2022 23:27 utc | 198
Did you read they identified the body that way? All I saw was a report that said the body was ‘unidentifiable.’/BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, Moscow emergency services and FSB investigators do not send me copies of their results. But I read that Russian and Donbass emergency and sanitary services even take DNA samples from Ukrainian soldiers the UFA usually leaves behind to rot before burial. And every Do you have any information why Moscow emergency service or FSB investigator does not do what every backwoods policeman is routinely doing nowadays?

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 23 2022 6:08 utc | 251

Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 21:23 utc | 154
.
“The US Is Huge”
Boy oh boy.
How often does the USA fit into that of Russia in terms of its land area?
4x or 6x?
What is your idea of ​​” Risig ”
A trip from West Russia to East Russia is how many miles ?
From west to east, Russia is a whopping 9,000 km wide, spanning 40 degrees of latitude and 11 time zones! Russia is also up to 4,000 km long from north to
.
Moscow and New-York is 3,755.08 km away
So the way from West Russia to East Russia is 2.5 times the distance New York – Moscow.
Time to help how big Russia is!
Had a window seat at school?

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 23 2022 6:23 utc | 252

Judging from the intense debate on Dugina’s murder and the ‘who dun it’ speculation here, I am beginning to see that Russian hatred is the empire’s woke culture new anti semitism.
Once upon a time the semitic illegal occupiers of Palestine and their fellow travellers got blamed for every act of sabotage, murder and mayhem. Now the legitimate people of Ukraine and Russia get assassinated by nazis, accused of all manner of heinous crimes and ethnically cleansed from their homeland.
And then there is Zelensky fully backed by Wall Street… this is beyond evil.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 6:23 utc | 253

@Watching the Watcher | Aug 22 2022 23:19 utc | 194

Why is there ANOTHER climate debate happening in a non-topical thread???

I will answer the question. The reason is that people understand that a war is waged on the peoples of the non-democratic west by the peoples in power, who are losing the plot and becoming ever more desperate. They use different means and call it different names, but the goals remain the same. Be it “climate”, “terror”, “covid”, “ukraine” or what have you, the “solution” is always the same
– We will make it more and more difficult to travel
– We will tell you the world is about to end and it is your fault, you must do as we say.
– We will take away your access to reasonably priced energy
– We will make sure you are as much isolated from human contact as possible
– We will take away your right to free speech
– We will take away your rights to your own body
– We will control every aspect of your life
The issue you mention is 100% political and only cowardly hiding behind a fake veil of “science”. People are starting to connect the dots, that is why the issue pops up again and again.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 23 2022 6:39 utc | 254

Carlos Marques
Russia do not have info on every Azov member, besides this woman allegedly traveled on fake ID

A photo ID of Vovk in the uniform of Ukraine’s National Guard was published in April on the Russian internet, as part of a dox of neo-Nazi Azov regiment members. It lists her surname as Shaban – the surname her daughter used when entering Russia, according to the FSB. Ukraine previously claimed it was not involved in the assassination.

Source RT (which for some reason are banned from being linked here).
They do not have “all the details” they have surivellance footage from where she have been.
Of course it was this woman, she are free to show up and claim her innocence. But no, she wont do that of obvious reasons – she is the guilty one.

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 23 2022 6:55 utc | 255

The “road” of Bulgaria. A story about gas. The circle is now complete.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/16253

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2022 7:00 utc | 256

The Parisian guy

The car numbers too are not recognizable, and there are conflicting narratives about the model, who was the owner and who was the usual driver.

What do you mean?

To monitor the journalist, the criminals used a Mini Cooper, when entering Russia they used DPR numbers – E982XH DPR, in Moscow – Kazakh numbers – 172AJD02, and when leaving – Ukrainian numbers – AH7771IP.

https://t.me/intelslava/35837
Here you can see the minicooper and the various car plates she have been using.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5U3OrRiKY

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 23 2022 7:03 utc | 257

The daughter is reported to have been writing an expose of the AZOV gang. She appears to have been murdered by a member of that gang. The murder appears impromptu and poorly executed.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 23 2022 4:23 utc | 246
Sounds like if RF Intel were on the ball they would have spirited away Dugina into protective custody by staging her Assassination with famous ultra-conservative patriot father’s help…
Look: mainly what I’m saying is to not take news reports at face value.
Also notice: once you absorb and accept a narrative, especially one that elicits emotional response, it is almost impossible to change your mind about it later as confirmation bias kicks in. That which questions or might disprove original take is filtered out.
This is why it is so hard to make people understand that their government is not on their side… It goes against the narrative one learned in school when very young.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 7:05 utc | 258

Now that everyone is, hopefully, well lubricated,
let’s find out what Dugin thought of sacrificing children:
arcto.ru/article/1655
The plot thickens, as they say…

Posted by: Arcto | Aug 23 2022 7:20 utc | 259

The Soros link to Darya’s murder is discussed at anti-spiegel.ru
Go there if you wish to explore all the embedded links. Here is a clip to whet your sharpening stone.

Ilya Ponomarev was working at a Russian foundation at the time of the protests, where he embezzled funds he used to fund the 2011 and 2012 protests. When this was exposed and he refused to reimburse the damage caused at the end of 2014, he evaded prosecution and fled to the USA, where he worked and wrote for the transatlantic think tank CSIS, which is financed by the US defense industry . Readers of my book “ Inside Corona ” know the CSIS because it has its own chapter in which I go into detail about its influence, goals and financing.
He then traveled to Ukraine, where he was very open about his collaboration with George Soros and being one of those who helped Soros take control of large parts of Ukraine’s fracking gas industry. This is not new to regular readers of Anti-Spiegel, because I already reported in 2020 on how Soros grabbed this industry after the Maidan .
After the murder of Darya Dugina, Ponomaryov published several videos. In a video , he was openly happy about the murder and spoke of the fact that there were “good Russians” and he announced that a Russian group he supported called “ROSPARTISAN” (“Russian partisans”) planned the murder Has. He gave many details about it. In another video entitled “ IN RUSSIA A NATIONAL-REPUBLICAN ARMY WAS RAISED WHICH ATTACKED DUGINA ” he read out the group’s “manifesto”.
Incidentally, “ROSPARTISAN” has another variant of the Faust logos, under which Soros’ foundations organized putsches in various countries. If you want to check, here is their Telegram channel with their logo and here is an article in which I compiled the logos of the organizations that carried out the coups organized by Soros.
The self-proclaimed man behind the assassination attempt on the young Russian journalist Darja Dugina is a man who frequents government circles in Kyiv and has excellent contacts with Western secret services and George Soros. Since nobody in Kyiv contradicted him or criticized him for the murder, but official Kyiv only dutifully reported that it had nothing to do with the murder, it can be taken for granted that official Kyiv – i.e. the Ukrainian secret service SBU – in involved in the murder, given that the killer is a member of the Ukrainian National Guard. And since the SBU doesn’t do anything that doesn’t have the CIA’s approval—or at least sanctions—the West may have sanctioned, or even encouraged, the assassination.
This is also supported by the escape of the perpetrator, who immediately fled to the West after the crime.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 7:24 utc | 260

rp #126
In my view one of the key strategies of “The West” is to to to get their opponents to act emotionally rather than rationally. Psychopaths operate by calculated manipulation of peoples emotions. It is the Kremlins’s (Putin’s?) tungsten clad imperviousness to emotional manipulation that has brought success, and that drives his manipulative psychopath opponents do distraction.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 23 2022 7:32 utc | 261

pretzelattack #120
Off topic I know but it amuses me that climate sceptics can’t grasp that the scientists who described oscillations and the scientists who say that the greenhouse effect is a totally different process are the same scientists.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 23 2022 7:34 utc | 262

Posted by: Tim | Aug 23 2022 7:32 utc | 265
No one can stop Nato from doing their false flags – the question is whether Nato will actually “act” on basis of its own false flag and believing its own BS. My guess is not. The steady war continues, goal is minimize own losses on the field while killing the enemy.
Ukraine casualties might/will surpass total US losses during whole WW2 in a couple of months. That’s something the kretins in Washington are simply unable to comprehend.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2022 7:41 utc | 263

I posted this yesterday and some had difficulty with utoob ‘video removed msg’ so here is the Rumble link and yest it is worth viewing twice.
Rumble
Discussing Ukraine. Glenn Diesen interviews Scott Ritter and Alexander Mercouris
https://rumble.com/v1gtjph-discussing-ukraine.-glenn-diesen-interviews-scott-ritter-and-alexander-merc.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+Duran&ep=2

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 7:44 utc | 264

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 7:26 utc | 243
Cross posted from yesterday’s now dead thread
« . But I disagree with your characterization of the US. Because it too has been colonized and plundered as you so well describe above. »
Your phrase is not clear to me – do you talk of the colonisation wrought by the Mayflowers, or a subsequent ? The fate of the original settlers ? I’d rather say they were wiped out
Or do you mean to say that the US ruling class has consistently over the centuries ‘colonised’ and plundered those they brought over there from the rest of the world for this very purpose, in which case I’d say you were stretching the use of the word
In any case all (except for Russia ?) countries can say that once upon a time they too were colonised – but in the case of say European countries this was by a large an internal to Europe process of shifteing balances of power
The current takeover is only slightly different to the classic colonisations of the Europeans and the US in the 18th 19th century and on
The one crucial charactaristic is present – overwhelming power, both military and financial, which prolongs the shadow of an economic force largely otherwise in the case of the US dissipated

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 8:27 utc | 265

Inb4 every political blogger in Russia gets FSB protection, particularly against women with small children. I think people have somewhat unrealistic expectations of the capabilities of security services.
Partially, I would suspect, it’s due to the video material released by FSB, since it gives the wrong impression that they’ve been keeping her under surveillance — they obviously haven’t, or this wouldn’t have happened. Russia has road cameras, metro cameras, police cameras, some apartment complexes have digital doorguards and there are a large number of other security cameras installed on the initiative of private citizens. Once you know who you’re looking for, and this person has left a trail of their movements, particularly driving somewhere, you can get a fairly comprehensive feed of their movements very quickly. It’s not, however, something you can tap into at random to pluck a terrorist out of a crowd before they do anything — pre-crime style — any more than you’d get by studying the random patterns of TV-noise.
Even if this 43 year old woman refugee with child was flagged as a person of interest when she crossed the border a month ago, what do you think that means? Around the clock surveillance by an FSB team? There are literally millions of people in her category, vast majority being perfectly harmless, while a sizable portion consist of dudes with swastika tattoos, criminal records, noteworthy organizational contacts and other stand-out traits that would make them high-priority targets.
Even if the FSB publishes videos of a dozen busts a month, they still fail to prevent handfuls of attacks of varying severity, which is unsurprising. Same as the SMO, clamping down on Ukrainian terrorist networks in Russia is a process that only yields significant results with time and patience. And no, it’s not something that could have been resolved years ago, since a cell needs to activate to get noticed or, at the very least, bring attention to itself. If it hasn’t been doing anything since being recruited, it is in essence invisible.
Only a few mainstream journalists and political commentators that we know of have state protection, either because they themselves reported threats to the authorities which were deemed sufficiently serious, or threats against them were discovered in parallel investigations. Worth to note is that they can decline the offer of state protection if they so wish. What the status of Dugin or Darya was at the time shouldn’t be obvious to anyone but, presumably, they were not in any state protection program. In all likelihood, they would simply have been advised not to attend the event in person, nor would the car have been left unattended if they still decided to attend.
Although it’s crass to point this out, but the Dugins and their host at the event Prilepyn, who I understand is ultimately responsible for the security of the venue, are major proponents of nation-wide mobilization and all the rest of it. Considering that they advocate for extreme vigilance, shouting “war” from the rooftops, and criticize those civilians who carried on living as if nothing had changed, it’s deeply ironic that their own lax attitude regarding their personal security was to be tested in this way, turning them, in a sense, into active combatants in this conflict.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 23 2022 8:27 utc | 266

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 7:24 utc | 264
Obviously, the car was searched entering Russia, so the extra plates, bomb and detonator had to be provided after the assassin entered the country. The question would be who provided these and are they still in the Russia.
The providers themselves could have done the deed, but refrained from doing so as it would be too risky should they be caught. So they engaged an Azov member to do the deed, removing themselves by one or more degrees from the killing.
The Russiamns are unlikely to have done it, as there is not any motive. They are winning the war, and this does not change that. The Russians are likely to be planning a large offensive along most of the front (Nikolyev, Donetsk, and Karkov) early next month as Ukie lines continue to deteriorate (seems so when looking at Military Summary).
There is no benefit in this assassination for Russia, whereas, it had some propaganda benefit for the Ukies, the US and UK depending on how it played out. The effort to misdirect the perpetrator as the Russians may have some value there if the brave, courageous Ukie strike seems to be becoming couterproductive.
Again, no logical reason for Russia to do this, as it changes nothing on the ground or in the PR area for them. As usual the West has scored an own goal by selecting civilians of little import to the operation to attack.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 8:32 utc | 267

Ukraine casualties might/will surpass total US losses during whole WW2 in a couple of months.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2022 7:41 utc | 267
That is why Ukr officially published yesterday a 9k losses number. Everything else will be labeled as fake news. Everyone else above 9k will be moved to civilian casualties caused by bad Russia. You’ll see it soon.
This will relatively work because the Western population, the ones who support, fund the war and happy accept sanctions that hurt them more, has a memory span of less than a month. No one there remembers how Russia used all their missiles in the first month, then all ammo in second month, then all the soldiers died and so on.

Posted by: rk | Aug 23 2022 8:35 utc | 268

A notable change in tone from Dima in his daily military update. He is now suggesting that the military operation has stalled and certainly from the number of units lost and territory gained, there has been little recent progress.
The assassination might well therefore be of help to Russia in maintaining public support, are we going to see a partial mobilisation?

Posted by: Keith | Aug 23 2022 8:48 utc | 269

… Darya’s murder is discussed at anti-spiegel.ru
….
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 7:24 utc | 264

Great info, here’s another snippet from the article you mention:
Because Vovk was able to remain undetected in this way, she managed to drive to the Estonian border with her daughter and leave Russia before her identity was revealed. A Russian extradition request to Estonia is unlikely to be successful, which will be further evidence that the West at least covered up the murder of a journalist, if not even helped plan it.
After the fact, the car appeared briefly on Ukrainian sites and was for sale , but the ad was quickly removed. The photo of the car showed Ukrainian license plates on the car, the seller’s name was Daniel Schaban.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 23 2022 8:51 utc | 270

Posted by: Keith | Aug 23 2022 8:48 utc | 273
No, he isn’t. One day of little movement does not an operation make. Check the video of the day before and the past week or so.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 8:57 utc | 271

“the speculation that the Russians whacked Dugin’s daughter is right up there with the speculation that the Russians are shelling the nuclear plant they occupy. those dirty russians, killing their own people! we better invade etc etc etc. just like the “speculation” that this is all kabuki between Russia, China and the US, in the end it lets the US and NATO off the hook. as it is designed to do.”
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 23 2022 1:52 utc | 224

You hit the nail on the head.
In a fake democracy like America, there is always fake dissent. The people pushing these narratives that you mention personify this fake dissent.
For all their virtual signaling/whining about the mainstream media, these supposed anti-Establishment or anti-Globalist™ dissenters are tacitly promoting the same political agenda as the mainstream: to implicitly deflect guilt away from America and its stooges while trying to discredit America’s adversaries like Russia and China.
In short, these people effectively function as a Controlled Dissent. Their game is to muddy the political waters, promote false moral equivalencies, and push “a Pox on All Their Houses/They Are All Conspiring Together” narratives.
It wouldn’t be surprising if American/Western spook agencies or their proxies are actually promoting these narratives as a form of Cognitive Infiltration operation–similar to what Cass Sunstein (Samantha Power’s husband) advocated with respect to the 9-11 Truth Movement.

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 23 2022 9:03 utc | 272

@ 132
Someone needs to remind the nice German people that Russia was selling their discounted gaz to them for 250 bucks { converted} per 1000 CM, at the end of 2020. I would imagine they would have gotten a very reasonable price had Nordie II been put on line. The War in the West is against us people – not just the Russians, this is why the people in the West, need to join the Russian people.

Posted by: GMC | Aug 23 2022 9:23 utc | 273

Blue Dotterel #271

Again, no logical reason for Russia to do this, as it changes nothing on the ground or in the PR area for them. As usual the West has scored an own goal by selecting civilians of little import to the operation to attack.

Allow me to be clear:- I don’t believe that Russia is the perpetrator in any way. I disregard the prattle suggesting that it might be some FSB plot.
The nazis did this and they had much support from the UKUSA lowlifes.
Quite likely the new number plates were already at some convenient pickup point as was the bomb kit.
I would hope to see one UKUSA decision/support centre destroyed for every year of Darya’s life in whatever country they are located. All who give support to or excuses for nazis are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 9:25 utc | 274

Keith #273
Dima at Military Summary has a few erroneous suppositions as do I and others. He pumps out a good commentary and I guess often straight off the bat so I accept he may be subject to immediate responses as opposed to considered suggestion.
The war drags on, we all wish for conclusive battles and staggering advances as we are mostly conditioned by 60 to 90 minute movies. But this is a long haul and a gradual maul of the combined western nazi warrior class.
What I appreciate is Dima not getting lost in the trenches and the gee whizz weapons but pointing out how successful the liberation forces are at destroying the key nazi battalions hiding further back behind the lines. I get the impression for every soldier destroyed in a trench, there are 6 more destroyed well behind the lines and these are the ideologues of the SS. I look at other sites occasionally but he is in the elite, the others just copy his stuff.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 9:36 utc | 275

Who provided the bomb?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 7:24 utc | 264
Obviously, the car was searched entering Russia, so the extra plates, bomb and detonator had to be provided after the assassin entered the country. The question would be who provided these and are they still in the Russia.

Most cars with DPR plates also carry an alternate set of Ukrainian plates. Civilians travel across the front lines. There used to be a “border crossing” on the motorway to Mariopol near Volnovakha. Now there is a crossing south of Zaparozhia. Donbass people often took the detour through Russia to reach Ukraine. DPR plates were not accepted in Ukraine. In fact, they might get you shot.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 23 2022 8:27 utc | 270
Even if this 43 year old woman refugee with child was flagged as a person of interest when she crossed the border a month ago, what do you think that means? Around the clock surveillance by an FSB team? There are literally millions of people in her category, vast majority being perfectly harmless, while a sizable portion consist of dudes with swastika tattoos, criminal records, noteworthy organizational contacts and other stand-out traits that would make them high-priority targets.

Vovk was needed to follow Dugin, to remotely detonate the bomb, and to gain nighttime access to the locked garage of the apartment complex where the Toyota SUV was parked. Someone else provided the bomb, most likely some dude with swastika tattoos, criminal records, and noteworthy organizational contacts. It is possible the dude had Russian nationality. Russian ex-MP Ilya Ponomarev claims that Darya Dugina was killed by the “National Republican Army”, and that he was in contact with the group.

The former deputy read what purported to be an NRA manifesto: “We declare President Putin a usurper of power and a war criminal who amended the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between the Slavic peoples and sent Russian soldiers to certain and senseless death.
“Poverty and coffins for some, palaces for others – the essence of his policy. We believe that disenfranchised people have the right to rebel against tyrants. Putin will be deposed and destroyed by us!”

Two weeks ago FSB agents shot and killed two well-known Russian Nazis, who were claimed to be in the process of blowing up an oil pipeline. Both dudes had all the stand-out traits that would make them high-priority targets.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 23 2022 9:47 utc | 276

Gosh heavy PR carpet bombing comes btl at MoA!
Must have touched a nerve above and below? Yup they really blew up a 30 year old non-combatant a long way behind the front lines – bra-fucking-vo, Nazis. 👏
There will be many quaking about the implications. Most who are not Ukrainian. The unleashing of the Narrative twisters is obvious PANIC.
Must have something to do with the fact of the rump Ukraine being a terrorist state using women assassins and kids as cover and killing innocents.
If ROGER WATERS on the same DEATH LIST as the Dugins and many Journalists doesn’t prove the rump as a TERRORIST state with real NAZIS. – what can possibly ever convince the Nazi Lovers and their troll flyer by blue monkey army here?
¡No Pasaran!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 23 2022 9:47 utc | 277

The car being from Hawaii isn’t suspicious at all. Every year thousands of used cars from the US are shipped all over the world to countries where it is economical to repair them. Stolen, wrecked, old, etc. A write-off in the USA is very fixable in countries with low wage rates.

Posted by: Gigo | Aug 23 2022 9:49 utc | 278

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 9:25 utc | 276
In fact, I was supporting you and giving my reasons

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 9:58 utc | 279

‘Controlled dissent’, that’s a good name for it! (Goes well with controlled opposition).
I’m “stealing” that one 🙂
Thank you ak74.
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About the Soros logo stuff it’s obviously intentionally based on the socialist/communist clenched raised fist logo/image (it might have some name but if I ever knew then I’ve forgotten).
“Funnily” a great example of real genuine appropriation.
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Skiffer wrote:

“…people have somewhat unrealistic expectations of the capabilities of security services.”

Yes but also no, and in all kinds of ways in all directions both “good” and “bad”. Such an enormous topic. Much of the point Snowden originally tried to make is that ‘power’ does not imply ‘proper application’ or ‘control’ but instead tends toward the opposites by increasing both noise and complexity. Then I assume he started to actually read the information he had helped release and hopefully started understanding that things are much worse than that.
But the topic is far too demanding (including for me), I’m reminded of the joke about explaining the theory of relativity to your dog and expecting to succeed (the dog can’t be blamed). Politicians couldn’t even if they wanted to but will happily bark for treats anyway and those handing out treats don’t seem any better.
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Sushi ( Aug 23 2022 4:23 utc | 246 ) makes perfect sense to me. The implication is that the easy stuff was fast and convincing enough for a public statement but also that like anything in this world it is or could be pending actual confirmation or subject to change if new information is found.
At least the vehicle border movements (all Morris minis or whatever) within a short time frame are very easy and fast to check as long as the video files are available.
The precise details surround the explosion are not known to me but any parent suddenly not being able to contact their child while hearing news of a car exploding would be likely to actively seek out the police. Or vice versa.
If one or both number plates survived the explosion or was caught on any kind of nearby video then it would be extremely fast to find in the video and identify as well (“flash detection”/large frame difference and automatic number plate reading). Not working directly with anything like it I can only guess that they have specific automated routines for it but if they don’t they would still have general ones to catch all kinds of emergency scenarios and technical events like various kinds of broken feeds and recording issues.
At least that makes sense to me but as always I could be wrong.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 23 2022 10:00 utc | 280

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 23 2022 9:47 utc | 278
So, are DNR plates not recognized in Russia? Kazak plates were used in Russia, not Ukrainian.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 10:05 utc | 281

the military operation has stalled and certainly from the number of units lost and territory gained, there has been little recent progress.
Posted by: Keith | Aug 23 2022 8:48 utc | 271
1. So, little (subjectively) progress or stalled?
2. Why would Russia want to accelerate it? Back in February there could be some naive idea “we just nuke Ukraine over the weekspan, and then it is business as usual”. But in August?
Nope, it is now West who is in hurry, who wants to stop economic slide before winter. Russia can wait, and wriggle out much more compensation for Western aggression during or after the winter.
3. Since “phase 2” Russia is repeating the same pattern: slowly accumulate/build n+1 bridgehead/spearhead, while her stand-off weapon slowly grind down Ukrainian fortification/personnel.
4. Eventually Kiev is out of reinforcement and can only patch up N worn out thin fabrics. Kiev has to painfukky select one place to left mostly unprotected (and what internal turf war it probably takes to select the sacrifice!)
5. Russia obeys the Kievan choice and takes the low hanging fruits with little losses, then starts to build another n+1 threats.
Rinse and repeat, Russian Music Chairs wargame.
Why the hell would Russia need to over flow Ukraine with Russian blood then? That is what USA planned for since 2013, not Kremlin

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 23 2022 10:17 utc | 282

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 10:05 utc | 283
DPR plates would draw attention.
They were useful in south-West Russia to enter, but the further awya the more they would be like fire in the night.
Spies rarely choose to be in the limelight

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 23 2022 10:20 utc | 283

Just like Skripal was a false flag by the British secret services (or something they were monitoring and decided to let happen),
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 200

As you understand nothing about the Skripal case, it follows that your “analysis” is good for the trash bin.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 23 2022 10:24 utc | 284

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 23 2022 10:20 utc | 285
My point is that the Kazak plates had to be provided to the killer, so who provided them. At the DNR/Russian boarder they would have been something that might attract attention during the search. Possibly at Petri, has noted, the Ukrainian ones might have been explained away, as holdovers from prior to the administration of DNR plates, but the Kazak plates.
So, along with the bomb equipment, those Kazak plates were likely provided by the handlers in Russia.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 10:26 utc | 285

If one or both number plates survived the explosion
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 23 2022 10:00 utc | 282
Should had. The plate have the numbers not only painted but embossed too. At least that used to be so.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 23 2022 10:31 utc | 286

Blue Dotterel #281

In fact, I was supporting you and giving my reasons

Thank you, sometimes I scan too fast and should grok the text slowly.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 10:41 utc | 287

One thing puzzles me. The journey from Moscow to the Estonian border by car takes approximately 9 hours. Very risky as a planned escape route.

Posted by: tRI | Aug 23 2022 10:41 utc | 288

Keith | Aug 23 2022 8:48 utc | 271

Military Summary channel | DIma: ……is now suggesting that the military operation has stalled and certainly from the number of units lost and territory gained, there has been little recent progress.

§§| Clean your ears out and listen more carefully.
What he *actually* said was ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF WAR…. Russia cannot take significantly more territory and the SMO has stalled.
Dima’s entire daily reports are sources… “western sources map”/ “Russian sources map”/ “Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation”… plus Telegram or similar. Each time he repeats the source….and adds a disclaimer… maybe it’s true, maybe not… you decide.
Occasionally he offers his own interpretation or conjecture… which he clearly identifies as his own analysis… and again disclaimer, it’s his opinion and maybe you don’t agree.
So. He clearly sourced and reported the claim of a stalled Russian SMO originated from The Institute for the Study of War.
Who are they?
Why… Victoria Nuland’s husband and other affiliates.
It *should* be obvious that a “think tank” operated by the *masterminds* who instigated the Ukrainian coop in 2014 *might* *not* be impartial in providing analysis on Russian military capability and the status of conflict in Ukraine.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2022 10:44 utc | 289

A Russian media told firstly that the number plates didn’t survive.
Isn’t that pure bullshit? For which purpose?

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 10:48 utc | 290

Posted by: tRI | Aug 23 2022 10:41 utc | 290
That could be where the Kazak lates cam in useful, until the Estonian border when they could have been switched to Ukrainian plates. We do not know at the moment.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 23 2022 10:51 utc | 291

Olivier | Aug 23 2022 10:24 utc | 286
Skripals
Was a UK Mi6 op. Linked to the Trump v FISA court corruption.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2022 10:51 utc | 292

Arioch #284

Why the hell would Russia need to over flow Ukraine with Russian blood then? That is what USA planned for since 2013, not Kremlin

I figure the nazi core team are about 1% of the Old Ukraine population and that the 99% are going to be mighty unhappy with the outcome of 1+ year of war and a freezing, hungry winter. That is the stuff of a very nasty revolt. So Russia can grind away in the east and create a nazi free zone but there likely will be mayhem in the west.
Given that Russia is probably getting harder and harder day by day, outrage by outrage then it is possible that the DNR forces will be welcomed in many western locales if they can assist in change and bring some food along.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 23 2022 10:52 utc | 293

I cannot believe what I am reading here on this thread!
Some people gone mad. Pure speculations based on nothing.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 23 2022 11:05 utc | 294

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 23 2022 11:05 utc | 296
Do you know how Karl Popper defines the scientific truth ?
Do you know about war propaganda, Bernays/Freud and the narrative of Johann of Arc ?

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 11:16 utc | 295

Parisian Guy
Because of this perhaps
“Explosive yield of device in Dugina’s car amounts to 400 grams in TNT equivalent ”
https://tass.com/emergencies/1496447
What do you expect to be left of such a detonation?

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 23 2022 11:17 utc | 296

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 23 2022 11:17 utc | 298
400 gr of TNT cannot totally delete the plates embossing. It can only damage it.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 11:36 utc | 297

Parisian Guy
Considering how thin car plates are and are not they made of hard plastics to begin with the car plates are of course destroyed in such a explosion.
What is your angle here?

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 23 2022 12:03 utc | 298

400 gr of TNT cannot totally delete the plates embossing. It can only damage it.
Posted by: Parisian Guy | Aug 23 2022 11:36 utc | 299

I guess your are following Popper’s conception of scientific truth.
Btw I know Popper’s claims and I disagree with them.

Posted by: Olivier | Aug 23 2022 12:15 utc | 299

The one crucial charactaristic is present – overwhelming power, both military and financial, which prolongs the shadow of an economic force largely otherwise in the case of the US dissipated
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 23 2022 8:27 utc | 267
A power which ‘we the people’ can no longer influence or control, indeed they have been colonized by a power network that regards them as little better than sheep for the shearing, aka ‘consumers’ to whom products are sold, illnesses given, expensive ineffective cures administered, assets regularly stripped by bankster engendered inflation or crashes and so forth. The US is occupied territory. The immoral conquest of the natives, mainly by disease but also by exploiting technological edge plus military numbers, was long ago. 90% of the current population come from those who immigrated after most of that sorry business was over. They fled persecution and lack of opportunity but increasingly their descendants now face the same.
Since you don’t like the word colonized viz the US maybe we can agree on ‘occupied?’

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2022 12:24 utc | 300