Ukraine - Dugina Killer Identified - War Of Attrition Continues
It seems that Russian authorities have found the killer of Darya Dugina.
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The killer, one Natalya Vovk, is associated with the Azov Nazis of Ukraine. So is her brother. Both are in Ukraine right now but will probably flee elsewhere.
Yelensis has details that point to willful murder of Darya Dugina:´
[A]n important clarification was already delivered by the experts: As to the question whether the bomb was on a timer or remote control, the answer already came in: Remote control. This fact has huge ramifications. WarGonzo blogger Semyon Pegov points out that the person who pressed the remote-control button to ignite the bomb, would have been in visual contact with the car and its occupant: “In other words, the terrorists who were supposedly out to blow Dugin up in his own car, would have observed, how Darya got into the car instead. Not the original target. And then they would have had to make a decision: To blow up, or not to blow up? And they took the decision: Go ahead and blow up the daughter. So, Darya became the new target. And this is, it goes without saying, an entirely new level of terrorism. Not even your average ISIS terrorist would take such a low step.”
Aleksandr Dugin, Darya's father, as well as his daughter had been threatened:
The Ukrainians threaten and blacklist everybody in the world who doesn’t give them full and unconditional support.Dugin, however, is a special case, and particularly hated by the West and their proxies. Both Dugin and his daughter are on American/British “sanctions” lists. Dugin has been the recipient of non-stop hate-speech for years now. Westies hate and demonize him because of his philosophical ideas and anti-Liberal ideology. Darya herself has a degree in Political Philosophy and shared her father’s ideology. Both were strong supporters of the Russian “Special Military Operation” against the Ukraine. Which would have made them “fair game” according to the usual Ukrainian standards. However, nothing has been proved yet, so we shall just have to wait and see.
In the continuation of this story, we will discuss Dugin’s “harmful” ideas, some interesting history of his political career; and how the Westie press is inhumanely revelling in his grief.
You can catch Yelensis' writings at Awful Avalanche.
Meanwhile the fighting in Ukraine continues with recent Russian offenses launched on all fronts. In the north the slow move to Karkiv continues. The Russian forces in the south move towards Mykolaiv (Nikolaev). In the east attacks against Soledar and Bakhmut continue. All these moves are supported by intense strikes on every Ukrainian headquarter and troop concentration the Russian military intelligence can find. This hunting down and killing of complete battalions and brigades behind the immediate frontline is costing a lot of Ukrainian soldiers' lives and is preventing any Ukrainian countermoves. This is on top of the daily massive artillery use against Ukrainian frontline positions.
In a recent interview Colonel Markus Reisner of the Austrian army described the situation (in German). Some excerpts:
If you look at the battles in detail, you can see one thing from a military point of view: the western arms deliveries are having an effect, but still not in a resounding and sustainable form. The result must be measurable. Only when the Russian attacks are completely stopped or when the Russian troops retreat (similar to the situation around Kyiv in March 2022) can one actually speak of a turning point in the war from a sober, objective and military point of view. The western arms shipments that have arrived so far mean that the Ukrainian armed forces have "too much to die and too little to live". If the 16 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers delivered from the USA so far have achieved understandable success, the question arises: Why is the USA not delivering more?
May be because it does not have more to give but more likely is that the U.S. wants to prolong the conflict at a near stalemate as long as possible.
Can Ukraine win this war?If the West does not deliver increased numbers of state-of-the-art weapons (including above all artillery and multiple rocket launchers, but also long-range anti-aircraft defense systems) to Ukraine in the coming weeks, Ukraine will not be able to win this conflict. It is therefore in the hands of the West how this war will continue. As long as Ukraine cannot protect its airspace against Russian cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, any regional military rearmament seems illusory. But this is necessary if Ukraine wants to regain possession of the lost land. Those areas that you need to be able to survive economically.
It is highly unlikely that the Ukraine will ever regain the former Russian territory that in 1922 Vladimir Ilʹich Lenin, for whatever reason, gave to Ukraine and that Russia is currently taking back. A war of attrition, which Russia with its industrial capability to sustain endlessly, can not be won by Ukraine. Even more massive support from the 'west' would be insufficient.
But the war will be won on a different front:
Modern warfare is above all a war of minds. The image we have of a conflict decisively shapes our opinion on it. It determines whether we perceive a conflict as "just" and whether we are willing to support it. At the moment, in the conflict in Ukraine, this support begins in our communications and ends in the delivery of weapons. It is therefore always the aim of the opponents to influence the respective other side. The military calls this approach "cognitive warfare." A comprehensive war of attrition is rarely decided on the battlefield, but often in the minds of the population in the hinterland.For the Russian side, the decisive point of attack is therefore the West's willingness to continue to support Ukraine. Russia is therefore trying to weaken this willingness in all available domains (especially in the cyber and information space). Extraction of raw materials and threats of nuclear weapons are the weapons used here to achieve an effect. The West, on the other hand, is trying to hit the cohesion of Russian society. Sanction packages and economic punitive measures are intended to exert pressure. The Russian economy is already taking a serious hit. The question is, will these bring about a change in behavior or not? At the moment, decisive success cannot be measured either on the battlefield or on the home front, which makes it clear that the guns in Ukraine are far from silent.
The extremely stupid European sanctions against Russian energy have caused severe damage to European economies. This is already breaking the 'western' will for further support of Ukraine. During July none of the bigger European countries has promised and delivered more heavy weapons to Ukraine.
On August 24 Ukraine has some independence holiday. Zelensky and his team will likely want to present some 'success' for that day. A nasty incident around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which the Ukraine continues to shell, or elsewhere can therefore be expected to happen over the next few days.
Posted by b on August 22, 2022 at 14:46 UTC | Permalink
next page »I was always told, and have read in multiple places, that it was Khrushchev who ceded territory to Ukraine. As opposed to Lenin?
Posted by: Jacq de Guernsey | Aug 22 2022 14:57 utc | 2
Lenin did not give anything to Ukraine. USSR drew boundaries that marked an administrative division called Ukrainian SSR.
There was never such a thing as Ukraine until 1991. Ukraine was immediately an American colony. Ukraine existed as a notion held by ethnic nationalists only since 1880s. As an entity it has only existed 31 years.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 15:04 utc | 3
#1, speaking from hindsight, it’s too bad they didn’t catch all that before they knew there was a reason.
#3, that’s my understanding also.
b, you mean Yalensis. It’s pretty hard to misspell b, eh?
Posted by: ZZZ | Aug 22 2022 15:06 utc | 4
Odd... if a Ukrainian citizen with known Azov affiliations was living in a recently rented apartment next to a high profile citizen, you would think the FSB would be monitoring their activity 24/7.
It is 95% probable that they were. Was the outcome due to incompetence or complicity? Meaning that the FSB possibly allowed it to happen knowing it would galvanize support for the next phase of the war.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 15:07 utc | 5
I would love to read an analysis of why the Ukraine can still shell the nuke plant (the easy part) and what it might take to stop it.
Posted by: Alaric | Aug 22 2022 15:08 utc | 6
@ Posted by: Jacq de Guernsey | Aug 22 2022 14:57 utc | 3
What you are referring to is Crimea, in 1954.
There are other territories in the East which MoA is referring to, here is an article covering it:
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/ukraine-lenin-putin/
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 15:10 utc | 7
#5
Or, more likely than this pretty silly conspiracy theory, since she recently arrived in Moscow, they were keeping an eye on her to fish out her contacts and capture the whole network. The fact that this happened so quickly and with a remote control points to an improvised terrorist attack with no clear plan other than "blow up someone".
Posted by: Sumguy | Aug 22 2022 15:19 utc | 8
Russia is now being criticized for not having as invasive and pervasive a surveillance state as the US and Britain.
It's madness, I say.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 22 2022 15:19 utc | 9
Posted by: Alaric | Aug 22 2022 15:08 utc | 6
Ukrainian have still a lot of territory to work with from Avdiivka, Kramatorsk, and Slavyansk with enough presence of Air defence installation that prohibiting Russia to immediately hunt their artillery after launch were detected.
So far Russia has refrained from committing their air forces to crush Ukrainian installation although these were already requested by multiple people in Russian political and military sectors.
We'll see whether Iranian long range drones can help with that. A drones can be sent out deeper to scan the enemy without worrying losing a pilots.
Posted by: Lucci | Aug 22 2022 15:20 utc | 10
Jacq de Guernsey | Aug 22 2022 14:57 utc | 3
Krushchev gave Crimea to the SSR. It seems to have been part of a campaign aimed at building up the Ukrainian SSR in order to give it more credibility at the UN and other international forums.
oldhippie is right. Lenin was concerned, and not without reason, about 'Great Russian chauvinism.' He can have had little expectation that, a century and more later we would still be dealing with narrow nationalists of the sort now ruling Kiev.
The truth is that, without the successive sponsorship of the Nazis and their successors in the US Empire (the Canadians in particular) the entirely artificial flowering of a nationalism without a nation, a nationalism defined entirely by anti-communism, the Bandera cult would have died generations ago. In fact it seems to have done so in Ukraine itself- its reintroduction being accompanied by enormous bribes and foreign organised terrorists.
Ukraine is run by a secular/christian version of ISIS- the latest in a long line of terrorist organisations used by imperialists to divide their victim populations. Among other such parties are the Israeli political progeny of Irgun and the Stern Gang and the RSS dominated government on New Delhi. There are many others.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 15:23 utc | 11
"The FSB published a video with the suspect in the murder of Daria Dugina.
It shows how she enters Russia, settles in the same house with the victim and leaves for Estonia.
At first, it is seen that Vovk opens the hood of the car when checking, and her hair has a light color. She was already a brunette in Dugina's house, Vovk had the same hair color when leaving Russia."
I hope that she is caught and punished for her crime.
https://ria.ru/20220822/dugina-1811368523.html
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:24 utc | 12
The mask slips off the face of this Ukrainian ambassador.
"Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Monday said members of the Kiev regime have shifted to openly talking of ethnically cleansing Russians.
She was responding to a statement by Ukrainian Ambassador to Kazakhstan, Pyotr Vrublevsky, that the government in Kiev is seeking to "kill as many Russians as possible."
"Only an ambassador of a terrorist regime can say that. For eight years, the Kiev Nazis have been slaughtering [people] silently, blaming Moscow for everything"
https://tass.com/politics/1496759
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:31 utc | 13
@#3 Jacq
When the USSR was being formed in 1922-24, Lenin transferred areas that had been New Russia/Little Russia east of the Dneipr and in the south--Kharkov, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson (on both sides of the Dneipr) and maybe Odessa too west of the river--can't remember about that last one.
In 1939 in Molotov-Ribbentrop (and then again in 1945 after the Soviet victory in WW II) Eastern Galicia, Transcarpathia, and Volhynia in the far west were transferred from Poland to Ukraine by Stalin.
In 1954, Crimea was transferred from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev.
So each of the first three Soviet leaders added to Ukraine's extent.
Posted by: Oscar Peterson | Aug 22 2022 15:31 utc | 14
Thanks very much, b, for this comprehensive update on the assassination and apparent identification of suspect(s). This provides a relief to the question of Russian complicity. It still puts this hienous action in the class of terrorism in my view, and points to a larger reality - that is to the illegality of the current regime internationally speaking - a truth many here have been emphasizing and now in the world at large it cannot be hidden. These, as we contemplate such ongoing threats and attempts are the acts of terrorists, not of any legitimate government, coup or no coup.
It now walks like a duck and that is sufficient.
Posted by: juliania | Aug 22 2022 15:32 utc | 15
Looks like the Ukrainian forces are determined to blow up the ZNPP before a IAEA party can attend.
"The Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in Energodar is controlled by Russian troops. Over the past few days, Ukrainian forces have delivered several strikes on the NPP’s premises, using, among other things, drones, heavy artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems. The majority of attacks have been deflected by air defense systems, however, shells hit some infrastructure facilities and the vicinity of a nuclear waste storage facility."
https://tass.com/politics/1496763
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:34 utc | 16
@Alaric | Aug 22 2022 15:08 utc | 6
UNSC meeting tomorrow, requested by Russia, about ZNPP.
Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 15:37 utc | 17
secular/christian
Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 15:23 utc | 11
Which is this "version" of organized violence -- secular or religious? profane or divine? a civil society divided by a doctrinaire society? I ask, because I am not persuaded that such cultural characteristics are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 22 2022 15:39 utc | 18
thanks b... good write up and overview.. i appreciated some of the fathers response to his daughters death.. he is not seeking revenge, but that russia will overcome this terrorist state.. these are my words, not his...
@ Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:31 utc | 13
thanks... Maria Zakharova's words ring very true as do @ bevins which i quote - "Ukraine is run by a secular/christian version of ISIS- the latest in a long line of terrorist organisations used by imperialists to divide their victim populations."
Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 15:39 utc | 19
One of the Five Eyes for the West new Zealand, puts sanctions on people in now autonomous regions of Ukraine.
"New Zealand will sanction officials installed by the Kremlin in separatist regimes in occupied areas of Ukraine. The sanctions targeting political and military figures in separatist administrations in breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. Today’s measures affect 48 officials and one entity," Nanaia Mahuta said in a statement published on the website of the country’s government.
Mahuta specified that the sanctions of New Zealand will target only those people who were appointed "ministers or mayors" or play "other roles" in Donetsk and Lugansk and contribute to the integration of these regions with Russia."
https://tass.com/politics/1496719
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:39 utc | 20
@ Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 22 2022 15:19 utc | 9
If you seriously believe Russia isn't doing exactly the same as Britain, the US and every other industrialised first world country (and not only them) to both prevent terrorism and monitor and control its own citizens, i am afraid the mad one here is you :))
On the terrorism front alone, Russia has every good reason to be wary and use all modern capabilities at its disposal, now more than ever before.
Whether that expends to implementing them with ludicrous thought control over woke issues, punishment for hurtful memes, and other bs 'hate crimes' as happens in the West, that is of course another matter, the madness of which we both presumably do agree upon.
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 15:41 utc | 21
There are other territories in the East which MoA is referring to, here is an article covering it:https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/ukraine-lenin-putin/
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 15:10 utc | 7
Unsurprisingly, the link your post reflects the highly selective cognitive bias of the same western governments and think tanks that executed the militarily forced breakup of Yugoslavia, based on manufactured ethnic strife, where they had only marginal geopolitical interest.
They also omit any reference to Minsk 2, and its subsequent sabotage, which would have given the Russian speaking oblasts in Ukraine the same constitutional independence, language and culture rights as Quebec has here in Canada. Strange that this parallel is never mentioned by the Canadian federal government.
Hypocrites all round.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 15:41 utc | 22
I month ago, I drove with my sovjet born wife to the territories under Russian control (Germany > Baltics > Crimea > South Ukraine), so she can apply for russian citizenship. Yes, it was war-time: The town (once 150.000 citizens) was nearly empty, shops were closed, soldiers everywhere, checkpoints.
Now we returned, we just arrived. She already picked up her new passport, she is now a citizen of Russia. She always was Russian in heart, and the control of these territories by Ukraine was kind so wrong.
Anyway, why I am writing these lines: A month ago, it seams that there is no hope and suffering for these territories will be long. Just a month later, life already returned: Shops are opening, streets are crowded, beautiful women on the streets. Basars are working, the many shopping area for people. And even I just bought a take-away Pizza.
Well, if you do not know, you never would guess that the front is not fare away.
Last time I witnessed that Ukrainian Army is sending artillery rounds to there former citizens, I did not really understand why. It must be some kind of Nazi-mindset to bomb civilians to win their heart&minds, and for sure these rounds will continue and I will witness some more war crimes of Ukrainian Freedom Fighters, supported by our beloved Americans. But that will not change course of history anymore.
Posted by: Klaus | Aug 22 2022 15:42 utc | 23
Sorry, 'heinous', pronounced as in hateful. My spelling is deteriorating (sigh).
Posted by: juliania | Aug 22 2022 15:42 utc | 24
Every last Ukrainian living in Russia - there are millions - will now be supervised by their neighbors. Any remotely suspicious behavior will be interrogated. Same will apply to anyone showing any affinity or sympathy for anything remotely European, Western, American. The Harley gets scrapped. The rock and roll record collection gets scrapped. Even the blue jeans go bye bye.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 15:43 utc | 25
I can only hope that there is no waving of the Ukrainian flag in Scotland or the rest of the UK come Wednesday, as I'm pretty sick of seeing that blue and yellow flag stuck to just about everything.
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned of more severe attacks from Russia ahead of the country’s Independence Day as Russian forces continue to make rapid territorial advances across the war-ravaged country.
Urging vigilance, Zelensky claimed on Monday that Moscow may try "something particularly ugly" ahead of Wednesday, which marks Ukraine's 31st anniversary of independence from the former Soviet Union."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:45 utc | 26
Maybe off topic but have to say the bomb woman looks like she had collagen injected into her lips with a horse syringe. Evil but so stylish.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2022 15:50 utc | 27
Finally I wonder if you know how much your government gave to Ukraine, in Scotland Sturgeon the First Minister gave Ukraine £68 million pounds, and just last month the Ukrainian parliament gave themselves a wage rise of 70%.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 22 2022 15:52 utc | 28
@ Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 15:41 utc | 22
LOL i knew someone would have a go at me for that, to be honest it was one of the first links i found with a map similar to the one originally posted here @MoA. I know little of that part of history to have any strong opinion on the matter beyond the 1954 Crimea thing, to which i attribute Russia's claims as quite legitimate, so there you go...
The important thing is to ignore 80% of my posts and always call me a troll whenever i pose a question or say something that doesn't follow the echo chamber party line right? Now, who does that remind me of again... if not the attitude of the very people you're at war with..
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 15:53 utc | 29
Remember "The Americans" video series of a few years ago about a Soviet sleeper cell located in the Washington, D.C. area. If the USSR really did have sleeper cells in the US of A and if the RF is the successor state for those sleeper cells then now would be a good time of awaken the sleepers and put them to work. The US of A has lots of talk show hosts opposed to Russia and if Russia wants to retaliate against the norte Americanos now would be a good time to turn a team like Philip and Elizabeth loose. Maybe Russia even set up sleeper cells during the last few years in case the old USSR cells were shut down. After all, Putin is a pretty smart cookie and has KGB experience.
Posted by: Chas | Aug 22 2022 16:03 utc | 30
B said
The extremely stupid European sanctions against Russian energy have caused severe damage to European economies. This is already breaking the 'western' will for further support of Ukraine. During July none of the bigger European countries has promised and delivered more heavy weapons to Ukraine.
"Russia wins big because the sanctions backfired. The EU and the world economy had not only grown to depend on Russian commodities, but also on the good graces of Russia’s allies: China and the super powerful Arab monarchs who have so much control over the costs of the world economy. Russia had too many friends in high places to need to depend on the LIO. The plan was that the LIO oligarchy would intimidate the world into going along with the sanctions.
Obviously that would not work since China, the oil and gas rich Arab states, India, and so many others had developed close partnerships with the biggest Russian energy and other commodities companies in recent years. But the leading people of the LIO were ignorant of that, they were convinced by war profiteers that it would work out." From Servant Of Madness
Posted by: Baba | Aug 22 2022 16:04 utc | 31
Pretty quick work by Russia investigators, if true. And I don't doubt it, couldn't be more perfect evidence for the Russians and justifies labeling Ukraine as a 'terrorist' nation as the US is currently, with no success, trying to do to Russia.
Would like to hear from chief suspect as to the target. Remote controllers knew who was in which auto. Maybe all that matters is a 'win' from Ukraine side, never mind the red lines. We shall see. This all goes away if nuke plant goes up in flames.
Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 22 2022 16:06 utc | 32
Condolence message from Putin for Dasha's parents, strictly personal without a hint of actions to be taken.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/letters/69196
She looked like a bright nice lady, RIP.
Posted by: Paco | Aug 22 2022 16:08 utc | 33
thanks paco...
here is the english translation..
Dear Alexander Gelevich and Natalia Viktorovna,
Please accept our sincere condolences and words of support in connection with the most difficult, irreparable loss that has befallen you.
A vile, cruel crime ended the life of Daria Dugina - a bright, talented person with a real Russian heart - kind, loving, sympathetic and open. A journalist, scientist, philosopher, war correspondent, she honestly served the people, the Fatherland, she proved by deed what it means to be a patriot of Russia.
The memory of Daria Dugina will forever be preserved by relatives and friends, her like-minded people and associates.
Strength and courage to you in this mournful hour.
Vladimir Putin
Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 16:11 utc | 34
She must have had a back-office.
Shaban, ... links to Mossad? Same MO. Using SBU as cover?
Posted by: Darndil | Aug 22 2022 16:14 utc | 35
Natalya Vovk is back in Ukraine? I read that she fled across the border into Estonia.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 22 2022 16:15 utc | 36
sln2002@18
Secularism in a society with a Christian culture bears the marks of that culture. The same is true of the secularism in Islamic culture. and then, of course, there are the myriad variations within christian and islamic societies.
Islamic State, for example, seems to have been rooted in a wahhabi cult favoured by the CIA.
It is not a question to which I have much to contribute.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 16:17 utc | 37
Assume many have seen the new piece over at Grayzone. Pretty much in line with what has been the Ukranian narrative for eight years so very believable. Much of the aid is being siphoned off by profiteers.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/
Posted by: MEI | Aug 22 2022 16:24 utc | 38
b:
The killer, one Natalya Vovk, is associated with the Azov Nazis of Ukraine.
She wasn’t just “associated” with them. She served in the National Guard of Ukraine (which includes Azov Battalion) and lived in Mariupol where Azov Battalion was stationed (her father and cousin are still living there, here’s a short interview with the cousin). There’s a high likelihood that she actually served in the Azov Battalion.
Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 16:29 utc | 39
Konstantin Malofeev, patriotic Russian billionaire, has published Dugin’s first public statement on the assassination of his daughter:
As you all know, as a result of a terrorist attack carried out by the Ukrainian Nazi regime, on August 20, while returning from the Tradition Festival held near Moscow, my daughter Darya Dugina was brutally killed by an explosion before my eyes. She was a beautiful Orthodox girl, a patriot, a military correspondent, an expert invited to main TV channels, and a philosopher. Her speeches and reporting have always been profound, grounded and restrained. She has never called for violence or war. She was a rising star at the beginning of her journey. The enemies of Russia have dishonorably, sneakily assassinated her… But we, our people, cannot be broken even by such unbearable blows. They wanted to crush our will with bloody terror against the best and most vulnerable of us. But they won’t succeed in their plans.Our hearts are yearning for more than mere revenge or retribution. That’s too petty—not the Russian way. We need only our Victory. My daughter has laid her maiden life on its altar. So win, please!
We wanted to raise her to be smart and a hero. Let her inspire the sons of our Fatherland in their feats even now.
Farewell to Darya Dugina (Platonova) civil memorial service will be held on August 23 at the Ostankino Television Center at 10 AM.
Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 16:31 utc | 40
11, 14.
In 1919 there was no frontier between Tsarist/Soviet Russia and Poland.
That's why both sides asked the British and in December 1919 both states accepted the British proposal of the Bug river etc. as the between them demarcation line, the famous Lord Curzon Line. By the Treaty of Riga of March 1921 the Soviet land east of the Curzon Line was ceded to Poland. In 1939 SU got it back and in 1945 the Lord Curzon line became again the western frontier of USSR. There is abundant information with maps in Wikipedia. In those years (1917-1922) in Ukraine there was constant reshuffling of various states with socialist or nationalist ideologies (Wikipedia). Ceding the industrialised Donbas etc. to Soviet Ukraine helped the russian-speaking industrial proletariat to serve as a counterweight to the peasant nationalists, providing to Russia the excuse to have a say in Ukranian politics. Otherwise the West would monopolize the Ukrainian political scene. Most, if not all, elections and plebiscites in Ukraine after 1989 were won by the russian speaking majority. President Yanoukovich was elected by the russian speaking Ukrainians. Donbas became the legal cause (article 51? of UN) for Russia to intervene and save the world game. If there was no 1922, then Russia would have absolutely no say to what Ukraine was doing. So,''in wisdom hast thou made them all..!''
Posted by: ΚΓΨ | Aug 22 2022 16:31 utc | 41
oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 15:43 utc | 25
The Harley gets scrapped. The rock and roll record collection gets scrapped. Even the blue jeans go bye bye.
I assume that's hyperbole.
Posted by: john | Aug 22 2022 16:31 utc | 42
Chas, "The Americans" is literally written by a CIA agent. The Russian dialogue was done by the execrable Masha Gessen of Russiagate et al fame.
It was meant to paint Russians as inhumanly brutal, who relinquish their own desires and even offer their own children up the the Russian cause. It is elementary school propaganda with a blockbuster movie budget. It is anything but 'entertainment'
Posted by: Esme | Aug 22 2022 16:32 utc | 43
Vovk's daughter Sofia Shaban is reported to have fled with her mother into Estonia in the mother's car, presumably right after the murder.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 22 2022 16:33 utc | 44
I’ve posted my translation of Dugin’s public statement on the previous thread: link.
Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 16:33 utc | 45
"A photo ID of Vovk in the uniform of Ukraine’s National Guard was published in April on the Russian internet, as part of a dox of neo-Nazi Azov regiment members."
https://www.rt.com/russia/561318-dugina-suspect-vovk-video/
I might have to walk back my compliments to the FSB in my first post for now. I'm not sure how allowing a known Azov or Ukraine National Guard member into Russia is good practice during a war with Ukraine, particularly more so when Ukrainians are lobbying to ban Russian visas into the EU... as it turns out someone paid the ultimate price for what appears to be a preventable mistake.
Others may have even more cynical interpretations. Was she was allowed in as bait to catch bigger fish? Presumably the explosive device would have been supplied domestically, so whom did she meet with in Moscow?
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 16:41 utc | 46
Israel does not let international borders stop it from killing enemies of Israel, neither should Russia.
Posted by: nightdipper | Aug 22 2022 16:45 utc | 47
So did this bitch assemble, plant and detonate the explosives, all the while going undetected, or was she supported by a cadre of western agents?
Posted by: WTFUD | Aug 22 2022 16:48 utc | 48
Having followed Matthew Ehret for sometime, I do wonder if British Intelligence might have been involved over the Daria Dugina assassiation, the reasoning being now that Zelensky has reached his sell by date, he can now be taken out and for it to be blamed on Russia?
Any doubts of British duplicity can be shown that when FDR's son went to Moscow, he was told by Stalin that his father was killed on the orders of Churchill.
Posted by: Brian Eggar | Aug 22 2022 16:49 utc | 49
@ Posted by: the pair | Aug 22 2022 16:33 utc | 45
I dunno, seems like forming a database of undesirables and cross checking that list at the border would be Page 1 stuff for any border security organisation...
As for the rest of your comment... agreed 100%. Possibly did it for the price of the car sale alone, seems like her boyfriend or relative put it up for sale pretty fast, or was that the vehicle being purchased before the hit, maybe i got it wrong? Either way, life is cheap when you're broke and there is war going on.. 13,000 Euros is a good year's wages in Ukraine, not bad for a 'holiday' to Moscow with your daughter...
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 16:55 utc | 50
@oldhippie #3:
Lenin did not give anything to Ukraine. USSR drew boundaries that marked an administrative division called Ukrainian SSR.
Wrong. The Constitution of the Soviet Union gave each Soviet republic the right to secede from the Soviet Union. It was impossible under Stalin, of course, but legally the option was there, and it was invoked successfully under Gorbachyov. So Lenin did actually create a pseudo-independent “state” and insisted on giving it lands populated with Velikorussians and Malorussians with strong Velikorussian affinity. He also supported Galician “Ukrainian nationalist” (= Austrian General Staff) narrative of “horrible suppression of Malorussians under Velikorussians” (bullshit) and the idea of renaming Malorussians as “Ukrainians”. Yes, it was actually the Soviet Union that has succeeded in renaming Malorussians as “Ukrainians” (Ukrainian People’s Republic was too short-lived to achieve that).
Posted by: S | Aug 22 2022 16:55 utc | 51
Whoever wrote this blurb needs to have his head examined: 'Sanction packages and economic punitive measures are intended to exert pressure. The Russian economy is already taking a serious hit. The question is, will these bring about a change in behavior or not?'
Russia will not retreat one foot of what they already liberated, it is now Russian territory. Russia has made it clear they will not use nuclear weapons unless their statehood is threatened - but if that is the case, nukes will correct any misconception the West might still have where Russia draws their red lines.
But therein lies the rub - the West has already proven completely oblivious to the red lines Russia has drawn before, that is why this war is now playing out in the Ukraine. The only conclusion left is that the PTB full well knew how Russia would respond, yet they continued despite knowing such - this war was a desired outcome, they wanted this war to further their own gains!
Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Aug 22 2022 16:57 utc | 52
And who trained the Azov batt. Israel Azovs' used to sport Israeli weapons until someone noticed. Israel can come and go in Russia as easy as going to Ukraine or the USA. Dual Citizens run the US foreign policy - stop the cover up ......
Posted by: GMC | Aug 22 2022 16:57 utc | 53
Economic news
1) The Euro closes at below $1 US Dollar for the first time since 2002.
2) Electricity in Germany hits 700 €/MWh for delivery in August 2023. This 14 times the pre-crisis price. The total cost for Europe in inflationary pressure is almost 2 trillion Euros. (650 €/MWh in extra cost times 2776 TWh per year)
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 22 2022 17:01 utc | 54
"It's the system that is corrupt, I'm not accusing ordinary people. I think the entire West is beyond reform, sadly, and I think the evil empire that is the West will either collapse on its own or be defeated by an outside force."
Posted by: aquileia | Aug 22 2022 15:32 utc | 229
From the previous thread - still not off topic
If the ‘system is corrupt’ then so are the people, they are within and essential to that system – if you are corrupt you can only fault yourself, not your construct - it is not possible to state that the people of a system are outside the system – whether they like it or not it is their’s
Even when the US is defeated, once again, it will still be belong to those very same people : time and again it has been shown that this construct attempts to destroy other countries for benefit, and so far the US people have gone along with that, or have done nothing to alter
Insofar as seem likely – when this country is defeated this time round, it will survive in some degraded and mutilated form, which will produce an even worse end result for those very same people who lacked the courage to reform it
Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 22 2022 17:02 utc | 55
She and her family will be living in Canada within the Month - if we are not being fed some moree BS.
Posted by: GMC | Aug 22 2022 17:02 utc | 56
Kruschev in 1954 gave Crimea, which had been part of Russia, to the Ukrainian SSR for some reason, but there wasn't a Ukrainian state per se until the Soviet Union dissolved. The Donbas regions were willing to remain part of Ukraine, with autonomy, according to the vote taken in 2014, but that isn't the case now after 8 years of having perpetual war waged on them by Kiev, so part of Russia they will be, along with most of eastern and southern Ukraine.
Colonel Markus Reisner of the Austrian army seems to have the flawed assumption of the wonder weapon. The assumption being that Western arms are superior to Russian arms. As Brian Berletic of the The New Atlas has noted, Ukraine was armed to the proverbial teeth BEFORE the invasion. So what happened to all the equipment that has Ukraine begging for large amounts of arms? The Russians destroyed them. The good Colonel wants to sent state of the art weapons to the Ukrainians like German and US canons that break down shortly after their first heavy use? Brian in the case of HIMARS noted that look, the launcher is just a big truck. And you know, Russians know how to destroy trucks.
Posted by: Erelis | Aug 22 2022 17:05 utc | 58
john @ 41
Sure it is hyperbole. I will note that Dugin seems to have been wearing blue jeans when his daughter was killed. Point is the same. Russians are tired of this crap. They have no need for American culture and anything reminding them of it is on its way out. They will simply be safer when Western influence is gone.
This is not hyperbole: https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/8793
The speaker may be a bit angry, he is correct on every point.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 17:06 utc | 59
The current "news" is that the deed was actually done by Russian partisans, the "National Republican Army," also involving Ilya Ponomarev, an exiled ex-Russian MP who now resides in Ukraine.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 22 2022 17:13 utc | 60
Posted by: james | Aug 22 2022 16:11 utc | 34
Thanks james, and also Paco @ 33.
It is fitting.
Posted by: juliania | Aug 22 2022 17:17 utc | 61
S#39...I'd want to know if she's been in England within the past three months. That should be traceable.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 22 2022 17:21 utc | 62
Considering the MO perhaps Darya Dugina was the target? Kill the up and coming daughter - more shock value...
Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 22 2022 17:21 utc | 63
oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 17:06 utc | 60
They have no need for American culture and anything reminding them of it is on its way out
I disagree. Blues, jazz, and rock 'n roll are there to stay. The Russians are deeper thinkers than you allude, they understand this.
Posted by: john | Aug 22 2022 17:22 utc | 64
A video with the suspect, individual with unappealing look and awful retouched lips.
RIA is still banned here on html but it has a Telegram channel.
Posted by: Paco | Aug 22 2022 17:22 utc | 65
On the use of Nukes. That will not occur because of Russia's ability to deter an attack. What will and have already been employed are bioweapons. They cannot be easily deterred. The same is true for other chemical agents. The focus by the vast majority on nukes is the result of a feint. When you read between the lines of today's interview of Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov by Izvestia on the topic of nuclear weapon negotiations, that purpose can be seen. Here are some excerpts:
Question: On August 1 of this year, US President Joe Biden said that his administration is ready to promptly negotiate a new arms control system to replace START-3, and Russia must demonstrate its readiness for such work. Is Moscow ready to discuss this issue with Washington again?Ryabkov: We have repeatedly confirmed that we are fundamentally open to serious, pragmatic and result-oriented cooperation aimed at reducing tensions and risks, preventing dangerous escalation and an arms race, and strengthening strategic stability, including through arms control. We also remember well that the START Treaty is not indefinite and should ideally be replaced by a new agreement or arrangements.
At the same time, it remains to be seen whether the United States will change its deliberately destructive course and whether it will be ready to conduct a dialogue on the basis of equality and take into account our interests and concerns in the field of security, working together to create the foundations of a new, more just and stable architecture of international security....
Question: The dialogue on strategic stability received a new impetus after the extension of START-3 in 2021, when you had several meetings with your colleague, Us First Deputy Secretary of State William Sherman, in Geneva. By the beginning of 2022, they were transformed into negotiations on security guarantees – strategic stability became one of the main topics. After February 24 of this year, this dialogue was suspended at the initiative of the United States. Will the negotiations begin from the same positions from which they were frozen? How realistic is it to be able to reach agreements on nuclear issues at the same time as Russia conducts the SVO on the territory of Ukraine?
Ryabkov: Speculating about the prospects for a strategic dialogue with the United States, especially when the Americans have interrupted it, is a thankless task. Frankly speaking, the very possibility of its resumption is far from obvious, given the recklessly aggressive policy that Washington is pursuing towards Russia. Naturally, we are following some signals regarding the resumption of dialogue on start, but what is behind them is not yet clear. And in general, negotiations through the media are not conducted.
As for our vision of the framework for strategic dialogue and its desirable outcomes, all this is known and remains unchanged. Our idea is to develop a "new security equation" that would take into account all the factors affecting strategic stability. To that end, we seek to cover the full range of offensive and defensive, nuclear and non-nuclear weapons with strategic capabilities.
The staging of Mig-31s armed with hypersonics to Kaliningrad was done with much fanfare so NATO would surely notice. The flight time to 10 Downing Street or NATO HQ is only a few minutes. And they're unlikely to have nuclear warheads since they're simply not needed.
@Erelis | Aug 22 2022 17:05 utc | 59
MSM starts to report that weapons don't reach the soldiers, big corruption in Ukr, bad leaders and so on. Some mercenaries are quoted.
Which is true but they want to hide the failure of a large nato trained army and their bad weapons under the fake idea that Ukr aren't even using them at all. That is the new propaganda.
Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 17:27 utc | 67
No way the stupid Germans follow like sheep...
Here again the east forward Dresden live today
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https://www.facebook.com/ETVideoContent/videos/3333756453565315
Posted by: mac998 | Aug 22 2022 17:27 utc | 68
Should say "A target also" as the device was installed on her father's vehicle. Hard to say how much the perp knew ahead of time.
Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 22 2022 17:28 utc | 69
There’s no stalemate. Russia will accelerate when she feels the situation calls for it and she will relax when she needs to (resupply, troops rotation, etc…). Ukraine has no choice but to follow this tempo.
Posted by: Andrew Ho | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 70
S @ 52
If you want to torture logic and semantics that far you can prove anything. The faction that wants to prove Ukraine existed when it did not is alternately ridiculous and Nazi.
Ukrainian nationalism began in 1880s Chicago. New immigrants were asked where they were from. They were asked what their nationality was. They could respond by saying they were from somewhere on the border between the Emperor, the Tsar, and the Sultan. Or they could use the descriptive term "borderlands" as if it were the name of a country. Nothing more to it.
Those who said U kraina (borderlands) to describe their origin were not a nation. They came to that land from everywhere. It was new territory in the Russian Empire, the tsars wanted it populated. It had long been de-populated by Tatar/Ottoman slave raids. It was the Wild West and everyone was welcome. Making that diverse community a nation was a con job. You can join the con or you can read history.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 71
Odd... if a Ukrainian citizen with known Azov affiliations was living in a recently rented apartment next to a high profile citizen, you would think the FSB would be monitoring their activity 24/7.Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 15:07 utc | 5
You're presuming Dugin is a "high profile citizen".
All credible journalists who report about Russia say that Dugin was a fringe nutjob who gulled foreign news agencies with a totally unsubstantiated CV. Or, in other words: he spoke 30 languages and in each one claimed he had ties to the Kremlin even though he had no such ties.
Dugin's reputation has been entirely fantasized by the foreign press--the same press that persuaded this deluded Nazi bitch to blow up his entirely innocent daughter.
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 72
I reported on the rapidly deteriorating situation between Kosovo and Serbia yesterday. Today Serbia's FM is in Moscow meeting with Lavrov. Little's been released about their talks aside from Russia's support for Serbia and "the need for a settlement in the province on the basis of strict observance of the norms of international law, based on UN Security Council Resolution 1244, with full respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity, legitimate rights and interests of Serbia."
IMO, NATO will push Kosovo to attack Serbs which will launch a Serbian response that "justifies" NATO's intervention and hope for a second front.
You're presuming Dugin is a "high profile citizen"Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:31 utc | 73
Being a "nutjob" and exaggerating his own self importance do not preclude Dugin being "high profile". I expect most of western posters on this blog knew who he was and the basis of his philosophy before this event. That alone is enough to make him high profile.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 17:41 utc | 74
@karlof1, 74:
Good lord, I do hope you're wrong about that.
A Russian response to that does seem probable. The Serbs have been one of the few European holdouts refusing to come out in support of NATO. A NATO attack on Serbia, at this particular moment, could cue a full Russian response.
I suspect that NATO recognizes that, as well, and that alliance won't be so stupid as to open up a new front in a war it is losing.
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:44 utc | 75
Little's been released about their talks
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2022 17:38 utc | 74
"The sides discussed in detail issues of Russian-Serbian military and military-technical cooperation"
Posted by: rk | Aug 22 2022 17:45 utc | 76
> Being a "nutjob" and exaggerating his own self importance do not preclude Dugin being "high profile". I expect most of western posters on this blog knew who he was and the basis of his philosophy before this event. That alone is enough to make him high profile.
> Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 17:41 utc | 75
"High profile" generally means an high-ranking person within the political or military hierarchy of some governmental entity.
Dugin was in no way "high profile" within the Russian governmental (political, bureaucratic, or military) hierarchy.
He was a fringe nutjob that was tolerated by the government--nothing more.
Dugin is, in most regards, the Alex Jones of Russia.
Your insistence that he is more than that suggests that you are only either stupid or a paid liar.
Which one is it?
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:47 utc | 77
Global Drought https://www.drought.gov/international
In the U.S. are are having drought conditions that is/will impact production. Eyeballing the link I included, it looks like the EU, U.S., Ukraine, and South America is being this very hard (Africa is a given). But it also looks like Russia and China are experiencing normal conditions.
You will know that it is getting worse when the MSM Neocons start to claim drought is destroying Russia because Putin did not invest in infrastructure (:-) classic projection).
Posted by: Christian Chuba | Aug 22 2022 17:48 utc | 78
The rock and roll record collection gets scrapped. Even the blue jeans go bye bye.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 22 2022 15:43 utc | 25
Is this role playing or hyperbole? Have you ever been to Russia? I'm sitting in the Moscow metro writing this and half the men have blue jeans, including me. The shopping mall and cafes play western music like usual.
Americans need to shut their loud obnoxious mouths and let wiser people (the remainder of the world) speak. Be quiet for a few centuries and you might grow up to be adults. You lie so easily, it's unbelievable.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 22 2022 17:51 utc | 79
#46,
Specimens like the so aptly called vermin are more than likely to throw their own children in front of a bullet to save themselves. Here's hoping that scum gets captured, sent to trial and executed or sentenced to lifelong hard labor.
Posted by: Sumguy | Aug 22 2022 17:53 utc | 80
A nutjob might be off the mark.
Dugin and Limonov worked together during the chaotic 90's, so they knew each other well. I take Limonov's opinion about him even though they split ways long time ago. In the video Limonov qualifies Dugin not as a creative person with written books but more as a researcher erudite individual who can write in four languages and comprehend some more, this stated by Limonov who lived in the USA and France gives me more credence than any curriculum.
This excerpt from one of his many and excellent books starts thus
In the description, it should also be added that Dugin is a good family man and a deeply moral person.
http://imperium.lenin.ru/EOWN/eown7/dugin-limonov.html
-Limonov was indeed a creative book writer, too bad he is not around since his youth was lived in Kharkov, he knew very well the USA and Europe, and he had the sharpest eye in spite of his thick glasses-
Posted by: Paco | Aug 22 2022 18:00 utc | 82
I continue to be amazed at the utter insipidness of some writers who know better as with Diesen's new RT op/ed, "How 'Russophrenia' from supposedly smart people in the West has slowly led us towards a major European war."
Diesen heads one segment of his essay thusly, "The flawed narrative of Russian failure in Ukraine." And then he immediately proceeds to saying: "There is no doubt that Russia failed to achieve a swift victory in Ukraine. Russia stormed up to the outskirts of Kiev in the early stages, seeking to impose a settlement." I can see why Martyanov gets so annoyed. The man has clearly swallowed the Kool-Aid. He does finally get one thing correct at the end:
"For 30 years, NATO negotiated against a weaker Moscow, and the result was that the US-led bloc could act unilaterally and ignore Russian security interests. By abandoning pan-European security agreements, pan-European security collapsed."
The "weaker Moscow" disappeared in 2018. Now Moscow will issue the diktats as NATO collapses and Europe becomes moribund.
Your insistence that he is more than that suggests that you are only either stupid or a paid liar.Which one is it?
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 17:47 utc | 78
LOL - To follow-up to your first false dichotomy with a second along with a bonus self-serving definition of "high profile" is a reflection on you, not me.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/high-profile
If you were a professional, you would be dis-barred ;-)
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 18:02 utc | 84
George Galloway said on his radio show yesterday that there have been many casualties from chemical and/or biological weapons among the Russian soldiers in Ukraine.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 22 2022 18:03 utc | 85
QUESTION, Why can Russia not stop the shelling of the Nuclear Plant.? This could be a disaster for all of Europe...
Posted by: Sigmund, | Aug 22 2022 18:07 utc | 86
"Not even your average ISIS terrorist would take such a low step."
But we all know what type of lowlife global terrorists would take such a step, as Julian Assange is currently being tortured for exposing.
Posted by: Watching the Watcher | Aug 22 2022 18:08 utc | 87
i predict the daughter will be taken care of first; hopefully right in front of her whore mother.
Posted by: the pair | Aug 22 2022 16:33 utc | 46
Russians, unlike plenty of Americans, are not satanists. Begone with your filth.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 22 2022 18:09 utc | 88
Patrick Lawrence at Consortium News on the new world being born.
"...I’ve long been convinced that in the years following the 1945 victories, when scores of Asian and African nations in the “independence era” broke colonials bond and most of humanity aspired to and set out to build the very world order that Putin describes. The U.S. and its allies suppressed these remarkable aspirations with the onset of the Cold War. This was among the Cold War’s most significant features. When the West divided the community of nations into blocs, the effect was to force the non–West to choose one or the other side. In effect, an identity was imposed: Correspondents could write of “pro–Western Singapore” or “Suharto, a staunch American ally....
"...Russia stands at the forward edge of this historical movement, this longue durée. I am growing more confident that Russia, along with other non–Western leaders — Xi Jinping, yes, but not the Chinese president alone — will at last push the world through to an enduring world order with multipolarity as its core principle.
"I say this for a few reasons. Putin’s assertion that this new order will rest on “free and sovereign development based on their own distinct identity, traditions and values” is nothing but a restatement of Brodsky’s case against the post–Cold War American position.
"Going further back, Putin’s remarks reminded me of direct reference to the Five Principles Zhou Enlai proposed in the mid–1950s and which formed the basis of the 10 Principles the NAM articulated in Belgrade a half-dozen years later. This is the well from which I draw confidence...."
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/08/22/patrick-lawrence-putin-the-emerging-order/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 18:10 utc | 89
Nah, Dugin was important.
Old leftists just can't reconcile themselves to the idea that Russia is going backwards and not forwards and that Dugin was an out-and-out display of this spirit-advancement-towards-freedom.
You can not simultaneously hold the thoughts that both Dugin was meaningless in the grand scheme of things and that his daughter's death marks the end of the "war through a dream."
Pick one.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 22 2022 18:11 utc | 90
To follow-up to your first false dichotomy with a second along with a bonus self-serving definition of "high profile" is a reflection on you, not me.... If you were a professional, you would be dis-barred ;-)Opport Knocks | Aug 22 2022 18:02 utc | 85
Indeed, here is the definition you reference:
attracting a lot of attention and interest from the public and newspapers, television, etc.:
In Russia Dugin did not, in any way, attract "a lot of attention and interest from the public" via newspapers, television, nor the internet. The only places he attracted interest were foreign news agencies, where he was a shameless self-promoter who was seldom/never fact-checked. He likely didn't even have a following that rivaled the listeners of Alex Jones in the US--so are you arguing that a lesser man than Alex Jones represents a "high profile" individual that terrorist forces would be wise to target?
Your use of the "dis-barred" is interesting, as well. Do you think that you are a lawyer, arguing in a court against someone pretending to be a lawyer? First off, I reckon I know a LOT more about law than you do.
But more intriguingly, second off--your fantasies about what sort of work you think you are doing, here, is a dead giveaway: paid liar, right? You're someone paid to get on the Intertubes and spread disinformation--right? You pretend you're a lawyer on the Internet, dictating to the rest of the world what you're told is "true" but in truth you're just following some sort of script you're given by your superiors.
So you're clearly not just "stupid"--you're stupid (A high-school graduate? got A's in English? Scored high on Communications on the skills exam?) and also a paid liar, trying to obfuscate something your employers (the military) have told you to exaggerate. You have no personal interest in gleaning what is the actual truth, here; your only investment is the payday you get after successfully plonking down enough letters to fulfill your monthly duty obligations.
Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Aug 22 2022 18:20 utc | 91
"Sofia Shaban" ...
Shaban ... Hmmm.
Sounds like a Khazar name.
Funny how these Khazars keep turning up all the over the place ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 22 2022 18:24 utc | 92
Klaus @23
thank you for your heart warming update, klaus. many blessings to you and yours. brave souls.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Aug 22 2022 18:26 utc | 93
Say what you like about 'Old leftists' Nemesiscalling, but it is you who is fixated by this narrow and fruitless dogma that the world is 'returning' to its dependence on irrational superstition and slavish deference to power and hierarchy.
It isn't and Russia is not going backwards, any more than is China. Patrick Lawrence continues his piece:
"...Russia derives considerable influence from its vast store of resources, oil and natural gas chief among them. It has reached important energy agreements with China, India and Iran recently as steps towards the development of independent nations. But development cannot proceed without considering the question of climate change, the global environment and the future of humanity.
"The Western powers are not serious about addressing these questions. They are too driven by capital, by profit, by what probably counts as unprecedented corruption as measured by the conflicting interests of their political leadership. These people seem willing to let the earth burn as they count their ever-accruing wealth and sprinkle their lawns while their majorities are parched for drinking water.
"If global leadership is to pass to the non–West, this responsibility comes with it. Putin’s duty to the Russian people, Xi’s to China’s, the Iranian leadership’s to Iran, Cuba’s leaders to the Cuban people, and so on 190–odd times, is to help them achieve lives of dignity and to one degree or another prosperity.
"But the non-West would assume a responsibility to the rest of the earth’s population, too. This includes the citizens of the very nations, such as the U.S., that seek to sink the project. Western leaders and their “rules-based international order” have made it perfectly clear they will do nothing about climate change except at the inconsequential margins. Putin, Xi and other non-Western leaders must take the lead driving the thinking, the ideas and the policies.
"I would not like to be in their shoes. But how can we look forward to a new world order if those leading it fail to act in the world’s, that is, the whole world’s, favor?"
This is Yeats a century on: "A terrible duty is born.."
Multipolarity means cleaning up after empire and rampant greed. It means the rational discussion and concerted solution of the problems that have piled up in the past.
It was not a mission that Russia or China, Iran or anywhere else wanted to shoulder but a job that has to be done and in which the first step is the detention and sedation of a corrupt imperialism.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2022 18:29 utc | 94
The daughter Sofia Shaban who escaped into Estonia with her mother and who presumably was also with her mother at the time of the murder is 12 years old.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 22 2022 18:30 utc | 95
The killing of Darya Dugina would have been an insignificant event were it not for her father who will attract more following. Given that he's already a radical it will make it harder for the Russian leadership to remain prudent in its actions. It will also make it harder for the millions of Ukrainian refugees residing in Russia. This war won't end soon. Even if the EU vassals sign an agreement with Russia, the US will undermine it in every way possible. It would probably also mean CIA sponsored Gladio Operations all over Europe as in extremists from whatever brand (be it ISIS, be it far right) sowing death and terror as has been demonstrated in numerous countries around the globe that failed to sufficiently tow the US line. The EU should pursue its own course decoupled from the crumbling Anglosaxon empire which is in the same degenerative state as its nominal emperor Biden and should seek Eurasian integration.
Posted by: xor | Aug 22 2022 18:31 utc | 96
Here are those B52s leaving RAF Fairford, Glos., this morning, headed for "Ukraine duty" https://youtu.be/cv_GQ7MGh-g
Posted by: petra | Aug 22 2022 18:35 utc | 98
Listened to Fleetwood Mac's Albatros today. Found the song's mood very fitting for the sad occasion.
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juliania | Aug 22 2022 15:32 utc | 15
"It now walks like a duck and that is sufficient."
Thank you for those resolute and determined words! It means a lot coming from you. You've always struck me as a very gentle and considerate person. So your sentence full of determination regarding Ukraine surprised me a little, and I like it!
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Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 14:52 utc | 1
William Gruff | Aug 22 2022 15:19 utc | 9
"those FSB boys" & "Russia not being invasive and pervasive"
Come on, guys! You're talking about a country where you can't even buy a train ticket without giving your name and passport number. Foreigners entering the country may have to go through hours-long interviews with the FSB (some commenter here described it recently, when he went to Crimea). The same FSB which apparently missed the Ukrainian bimbo, from a dirt-poor country, who somehow was able to rent a flat in downtown Moscow just like that. Very smooth sailing for that refugee lady, I have to say.
It boggles the mind.
My bet is there will be reshuffles in the security apparatus because of the murder. If it can happen to a pretty low-key girl in the capital, it can happen to anybody anywhere in Russia. They screwed up big time, dozing at the wheel.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 22 2022 18:37 utc | 99
Brit journalist John Sweeney is in Bakhmut, giving us at least a hint of the work that was done after 2014 in entrenchments.
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1561739006546612224
He's also at the Artemovsk Winery (just off Patrice Lumumba Street) - which raises the point that this is salt mine country, so potentially a lot of deep shelter. From 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/eastern-ukraine-wine-tour-war-zone-artwinery
Despite the unrest, Yuri, who asks for his last name not to be used, continues to host connoisseurs and the curious around Artwinery, a maze of climate-controlled winemaking caves opened in honour of the then Soviet leader Joseph Stalin’s birthday in 1950. While below ground, the rumbling of armoured vehicles and artillery fire are audible, above, in Bakhmut, a salt-mining city of 80,000 people living 12 miles from the frontlines, the signs of war are omnipresent.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 22 2022 18:40 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Gotta hand it to those FSB boys, already got a video compilation of her entering Russia, driving with different plates, and outside the apartment in Moscow:
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/27788
Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 22 2022 14:52 utc | 1