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August 31, 2022

Ukraine - A Frontline Report - Vanishing Foreign Weapons

Some people ask why I read the New York Times and other such outlets of mostly 'western' propaganda. One obvious reason is to "know your enemy", to find out what the propaganda wants us to think. Another one is to find the gems that give a real picture of a situation which often sneak themselves into the coverage, though usually way below the headline.

Today there is a piece about Ukrainian military units which are trading weapons with each other.

A Frontline Shadow Economy: Ukrainian Units Trade Tanks and Artillery

Within the 93rd Mechanized Brigade, Zmei was not just a lowly sergeant. He was the brigade’s point man for a wartime bartering system among Ukrainian forces. Prevalent along the front line, the exchange operates like a kind of shadow economy, soldiers say, in which units acquire weapons or equipment and trade them for supplies they need urgently.

Most of the bartering involves items captured from Russian troops. Ukrainian soldiers refer to them as “trophies.”

Yes, sure, the Ukrainian units catch so many weapons from the Russians that there is a lively trade of those. However, read beyond the first 25 paragraphs of such heroic trade propaganda to get a picture of the real situation and mood at the front lines:

Alex is waiting for his own kind of repairs. He was shot in the right leg during a patrol in May. The bullet shattered his femur.

He and several other Ukrainian soldiers had been on a reconnaissance patrol in the gray zone — the area between Russian and Ukrainian front lines — when he was hit. The mission had carried two objectives, he said: to find Russian positions and to find abandoned equipment.

“We are losing tanks,” Alex said. “If this war goes the distance, sooner or later we’ll be out of Soviet equipment and other Soviet tanks, so we will have to switch to something else.”

Near his subterranean headquarters not far from the front line, Alex’s battalion commander, Bogdan, described the severity of his unit’s situation. The sound of incoming and outgoing artillery echoed in the fields beyond.

“We’re fighting with whatever we captured from the enemy,” Bogdan said, noting that 80 percent of his current supplies was captured Russian equipment.

“It’s no better in other battalions,” he added.

Bogdan’s unit of around 700 troops had arrived to replace Ukrainian forces worn down by casualties and equipment loss. Now, after six months of acting like a “firefighter” by rushing from one frontline hot spot to the next, his troops were facing a similar fate.

“We are losing a lot of men,” Bogdan said. “We can’t cope with their artillery. This, and airstrikes, are big problems.”

Asked about sophisticated, Western-supplied weapons that government officials say will be the big difference-maker, he said that in his brigade, “nobody has foreign equipment,” adding, “We have a great many questions as to where it goes.”

The 'counteroffensive' towards Kherson has cost the Ukrainians lots of equipment. At least some of the fifty lost tanks that can be seen in various videos were Polish T-72 with thermal optics. Other videos showed the wreckage of M-113 armored transport vehicles, apparently from the Netherlands. (Those sixty year old aluminum cans offer very little protection and should have been retired decades ago.)

So at least some of the 'western' delivered equipment actually makes it to the front lines. Its fate there though is already determined.

But where ALL of the 'western' stuff and ALL the money goes is really a great question.

A few weeks ago CBS showed a video report witch provided that only 30% of the 'western' military equipment that flows into Ukraine actually reaches the frontline. The rest is sold off to whoever is willing to pay for it. After the Zelenski regime protested against the report, CBS pulled the video to 'update' it with new information:

CBS tweeted on Monday that it had removed a video promoting the documentary that included a months-old quote saying most aid was not making it to Ukraine's front lines.

It said it was updating the documentary, called "Arming Ukraine," with "new information" about the delivery of military aid to Ukraine.

Among the material removed was a quote the founder of pro-Ukraine nonprofit Blue-Yellow, Jonas Ohman, who said in late April that only around 30% of aid was reaching the front lines in Ukraine.

CBS said that "Since that time, Ohman says delivery has improved." It also noted that the US had sent an official — Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon — to Kyiv specifically to monitor the use of military aid.

CBS also updated an article that had accompanied the original video report. It now has an editorial note attached to it which says:

Editor's note: This article has been updated to reflect changes since the CBS Reports documentary "Arming Ukraine" was filmed, and the documentary is also being updated. Jonas Ohman says the delivery has significantly improved since filming with CBS in late April. The government of Ukraine notes that U.S. defense attaché Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon arrived in Kyiv in August 2022 for arms control and monitoring.

The pulled video summarized reporting and facts gathered over several previous months. The update was published on August 7.  The defense attaché arrived in Kiev in early August, just a few days before the 'update' was made. If it is even possible to find out to where weapons are flowing in and from Ukraine, it will take him months to get a glimpse of it. His arrival is thus completely irrelevant for the original report. The edited original now says:

Jonas Ohman is founder and CEO of Blue-Yellow, a Lithuania-based organization that has been meeting with and supplying frontline units with non-lethal military aid in Ukraine since the start of the conflict with Russia-backed separatists in 2014. Back in April, he estimated that just "30-40%" of the supplies coming across the border reached its final destination. But he says the situation has significantly improved since then and a much larger quantity now gets where it's supposed to go.

What does it mean if the loss rate of 70-60%, which previously had NOT reaches the final destination, has now significantly decreased? It is now 45% or 50% of all deliveries that are flowing to where they are NOT supposed to end up?

How come that battalion commander Bogdan has seen none of the foreign supplies?

All those thousands of Stingers, Javelins and other man-portable weapons are of huge interest to various nefarious actors. The weapons that vanish in Ukraine to go somewhere will most likely reach places where they can and will be used against 'western' forces or interests.

Those who support the weapon transfers will say that the loss of some share of them does not matter in the big picture. Tell that to those who will die from them.

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I wouldn't really put much weight on the CBS report. IIRC it was concerning the humanitarian aid given by one charity.

And if it is indeed true. It certainly doesn't reflect well on the Russian side who claim that the reason for their molasses like advance is due to Russia being at war not against Ukraine alone but also NATO.

Is 30% of the fairly small NATO aid given to Ukraine really enough to give Russians a good fight? What would happen if Russia actually fought NATO then?

Posted by: Bernd | Aug 31 2022 10:11 utc | 1

They should assign a general to see if 30% of the truth makes it into the New York Times.

Posted by: Gerald | Aug 31 2022 10:13 utc | 2

In the beginning a lot of people thought that the western weaponry were all going to be destroyed before they reached the frontlines. It is credible that part of that was true and still is

I think we should distinguish between the types of aid and the kinds of diversion. Some types like financial can end up anywhere. small lethal and nonlethal aid , like javelins , may end up on the market or get hoarded near the battlefield by the more influential military for bartering on the battlefield. Heavy material will more easily end up in the hands of those who are ment to use it. Of course there are favored clients and small fry who end up at the end of the queue but it still gets used. That would mean 'unfair distribution' but not waste

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 31 2022 10:20 utc | 3

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the "offensive on Kherson" in the Mykolaiv and Krivoy Rog directions:

A battalion of the 57th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was defeated near the settlement of Sukhoi Stavki. Currently, the destruction of its remains is being completed.

To unblock the AFU units, 12 tanks supplied to the Kiev regime by Poland were transported across the Ingulets River.

Some of the tanks were destroyed by the powerful fire action of the Russian troops. Several tanks were blown up in their minefield during a disorderly withdrawal. Only five Ukrainian tanks were able to break back, deep into the territory controlled by the AFU.

During two days of unsuccessful attacks on Mykolaiv-Krivoy Rog and other directions, Ukrainian troops lost four combat aircraft: two Su-25, one Su-24 and one MiG-29. Three Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down in the air.

Russian troops destroyed 63 Ukrainian tanks, 59 infantry fighting vehicles, 48 other armored combat vehicles, 14 pickups with heavy machine guns and more than 1,700 Ukrainian servicemen.

Posted by: Kherson | Aug 31 2022 10:23 utc | 4

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of August 31, 2022

The attempt made by the Zelensky regime to resume offensive operations in the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih and other directions failed.

▪️During the unsuccessful attacks on the settlements of ARKHANGELSKOE, OLGINO and TERNOVIE PODY, the enemy suffered significant losses and was driven back by Russian troops.

A battalion of the 57th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was defeated in the area of ​​​​the settlement of SUKHOI STAVOK. Currently, the destruction of its remains is being completed.

▪️To release the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 12 tanks delivered to the Kyiv regime by Poland were transported across the Ingulets River.

Some of the tanks were destroyed by the powerful fire impact of the Russian troops. Several tanks in the course of a disorderly withdrawal were blown up in their minefield. Only five Ukrainian tanks were able to break back deep into the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

▪️During two days of unsuccessful attacks on Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih and other directions, Ukrainian troops lost four combat aircraft: two Su-25s, one Su-24 and one MiG-29. Three Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down in the air.

▪️Russian troops destroyed 63 Ukrainian tanks, 59 infantry fighting vehicles, 48 ​​other armored fighting vehicles, 14 pickup trucks with heavy machine guns and more than 1,700 Ukrainian servicemen.

🔻The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation in Ukraine.

▪️By strikes of high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces at the point of temporary deployment of units of the 10th mountain assault brigade in the area of ​​​​the settlement DRUZHKOVKA of the Donetsk People's Republic, up to 50 nationalists and nine pieces of military equipment were eliminated.

▪️A concentrated fire strike on the command post and ammunition depot of the 56th motorized infantry brigade in the area of ​​​​the settlement of KARLOVKA in the Donetsk People's Republic destroyed more than 40 Ukrainian servicemen and 12 units of special vehicles.

🔻The strikes by operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery on military facilities on the territory of Ukraine continue.

▪️During the day, ten command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of settlements: PERVOMAYSKOE, DOBRYANKA, BELOUSOVO, LOZOVOE, NOVOVORONTSOVKA of the Kherson region, ZELENODOLSK of the Dnipropetrovsk region, ARTYOMOVSK, SOLEDAR, ZAYTSEVO and MARYINKA of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 65 artillery units, manpower and Ukrainian military equipment in 153 districts.

▪️Three depots of rocket and artillery weapons were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of UKRAINKA, Kharkiv region, CHERKASSKOE and IVANO-DARIEVKA of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as the launcher of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near the settlement of DOBROVOLIE, Dnepropetrovsk region.

▪️Russian air defense systems shot down seven unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of CHAPLINKA, Kherson region, NOVOUKRAINKA, Zaporozhye region, BORSCHOVKA, PERVOMAISKOE, KAPITOLOVKA, IZYUM and RED, Kharkiv region.

In addition, 57 shells of HIMARS, Vilkha and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems were intercepted in the areas of settlements BOLSHIE KOPANI, BERISLAV, Kherson region, Antonovsky bridge and Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

🔻In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 280 aircraft, 151 helicopters, 1844 unmanned aerial vehicles, 371 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4592 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3360 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 5155 units of special military vehicles.

🔻The Kiev regime continued provocations throughout August 30 aimed at disrupting the work of the IAEA mission and creating a threat of a man-made disaster at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

During the shelling of the territory of the nuclear power plant by Ukrainian artillery, one shell hit the building of the solid radioactive waste processing complex.

The shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant was carried out from the firing position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikopol area on the opposite bank of the Kakhovka reservoir.

The artillery unit of the enemy in this area was suppressed by return fire.

The radiation situation at the Zaporozhye NPP remains normal. Regular personnel monitor the technical condition of the nuclear power plant and ensure its uninterrupted operation.

Posted by: Summary | Aug 31 2022 10:26 utc | 5

The MOD report is grim reading. I have family in Ukraine, and understand the Russian POV. The whole thing is heartbreaking.

My heart goes out to the conscripted UKR kids that have no weapons and no command support being ordered to attack entrenched combined arms forces. I would be furious if my child was there. Particularly is one has seen videos of the children of the connected Kiev elite partying like nothing wad going on, miraculously avoiding the draft.

Posted by: dask | Aug 31 2022 10:42 utc | 6

The take away from this for me
It's an obscene corrupt farce.
To make make armament and banking MNCs money.
Europe is finished economically and every other way.
The US is turning into a nuclear armed Brazil at best.
Just how long the butcher's bill continues is the only only question.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 31 2022 10:43 utc | 7

……“We’re fighting with whatever we captured from the enemy,” Bogdan said, noting that 80 percent of his current supplies was captured Russian equipment.…..

Any doubt that this unit is also looting civilian foodstuffs etc ?

Posted by: Exile | Aug 31 2022 10:54 utc | 8

1700 dead nazis in two days is fine but it was Ukr's mistake. When are the allied troops going to take the initiative? The slow speed turned into ultra-slow speed. And if that wasn't enough weirdness, the referendum was linked to the liberation of all republics.

Posted by: rk | Aug 31 2022 11:09 utc | 9

I gather a lot of this gear is going to Syrian rebels to fight Russia/Assad. That may well be part of the plan all along.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 31 2022 11:10 utc | 10

…“We’re fighting with whatever we captured from the enemy,” Bogdan said, noting that 80 percent of his current supplies was captured Russian equipment.…
AKA they are fighting with equipment from decimated Ukrainian units. Since the beginning of May when Russia changed tactics, the ability to capture Russian equipment slowed to a trickle.

Posted by: RJR | Aug 31 2022 11:16 utc | 11

Henry Kamens has a good article that could go along with Moon's . Let's not forget that this is Ukraine. Even Senator Obama went to Donetsk in 05 to do some " creative weapons disarmament" plans. Yes the майдан was planned decades before it happened.

Posted by: GMC | Aug 31 2022 11:17 utc | 12

"Jonas Ohman is founder and CEO of Blue-Yellow...", i.e. a typical propagandist and conman (and "CEO", no less; one of the easiest tells regarding corrupt NGOs is where you see them aping for-profit corporations in their terminology - you can bet they also imitate them in action).

No doubt he was paid to change his story, which was probably why he gave that low number in the first place, to angle for a bribe.

Meanwhile no doubt the real work of himself and his organization is to help "distribute" the foreign loot to the "right" places.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Aug 31 2022 11:59 utc | 13

I can also speculate that a lot of this "lost" equipment and munitions, plus cash is in deep storage in the countries bordering Ukraine and the Baltics countries. Stored there for the phase II operation against Russia after the Kiev surrender, which will either be a prolonged guerrilla war or the ensemble NATO ambush, if they can muster up the required cojones.

Posted by: DaVinci | Aug 31 2022 12:25 utc | 14

Lol the "ukraine is not nazi" rhetoric reminds me of the "Syrian rebels are not terrorists" junk. It has already been proven countless times that Ukranian government and armed forces are filled to the brim with neonazis. They even chant Bandera slogans on national tv. Can't seem to find one single image of ukranian soldiers without their SS badges.

And the Zelensky is jew thus impossible he is nazi is a sad point of view. In WW2 Germany had lots of nazi collaborators which were Jew. It's all documented.

And lastly the sillyness of saying US democrats cannot possibly support nazis. Well they supported Al Qaeda in Lybia and Syria. Armed and funded them. That's also all documented including Jake Sullivan snd Hillary then Sec of State saying that Al Qaeda is on their side in Syria.

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 31 2022 12:25 utc | 15

Posted by: Hegar | Aug 31 2022 11:24 utc | 16

IMO the whole "Ukraine", and like you say, "Azov", is a project similar to the ISIS caliphate. Both are fronts for a USA CIA sponsored geopolitical project to wage proxy war against adversaries. Like ISIS the Azov members use drugs to dampen senses, commit beheadings, mutilation and other atrocities.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2022 12:26 utc | 16

@Hegar makes a common argument that the Ukraine does not really have a Nazi problem, that it could not because Zelensky is a Jew. Welcome to the propaganda mill, Hegar. The West recognized Ukraine's "Nazi problem" right after the Maidan Coup, but all such references have been either deleted, minimized, or disappeared. No reasonable person can ignore the ultranationalist Bandera-loving neoNazi base of the Ukrainian state. It was founded by Nazis, Yanukovich was chased away by Nazis, its legal proclamations against ethnic Russians, its closing down of media and political parties, are fascist, i.e. Nazi. The murder of 40 some protesters against Kyiv in Odesa was done by Nazis; the persecutions of citizens throughout eastern and southern Ukraine were done by Nazis; the war against the Donbas and Crimea was a Nazi project.
As far as Jewish Zelensky-cannot-be-Nazi is concerned, you ignore Israel's fascist project against the Palestinian people, very much a Nazi scheme. In the terms of ideology, the western Ukrainians, mostly from Galicia, believe they are descended from Vikings and are superior to Slavs, whom they believe are polluted by Asian conquests. Rather than primarily hate Jews, these "heroes of Ukraine" turn their enmity on Slavs, particularly Russians. Over eight years, the Banderites have had time to promulgate their hateful ideology and convince many ordinary Ukrainians to turn against their Slavic ancestry, their Russian nature. To what extent most Ukrainians have also become Nazis will be a question for sociologists of the future, but remember that Nazis in Germany were relatively few, yet in truth, there were very few "good Germans."

Posted by: Tedder | Aug 31 2022 12:27 utc | 17

At 16: Ultra-Leftist Biden... Really? 🤦🏾‍♀️

Posted by: NoOne | Aug 31 2022 12:39 utc | 18

Ukraine is not armed by 30% of military aid. They were building up their military, including very heavy fortifications, for EIGHT YEARS. Ukraine has the largest army in Europe, bar none. The largest army armed for 8 years by the entire NATO. According to all official estimates Russia is fighting with a force of 130,000 people an army that has around 700,000 soldiers. And moving forward.

So to talk about "Russia won't be able to fight NATO" is basically underwriting your cluelessness affidavit.Russia never had its entire army in Ukraine. Russia never mobilized even those who are in reserve.

None of NATO countries in EU have anything close to what Ukraine has with regards to the numbers of soldiers as well as with regards to the amounts of tanks and other equipment that was sent to them. The equipment was NOT sold on black markets. However if you go to the black market sites, there is a lot of guns, Javelins, Nlaws, etc. being sold. Plus they resell bulletproof wests on internal markets in Ukraine.

They resell everything. Humanitarian aid is in their ATB and Silpo stores, they just caught a couple of ministers who sold several shiploads and several HUNDRED of trainloads of humanitarian aide, making millions. I have photos form different stores in Odessa, Kharkiv, Zaporizhye showing the aid being sold there. It's rampant. From what I can see I believe all the aid gets sold, laundered and converted into personal profit for those close to the local Napoleon of the Ukrainian Khaganate, Zelensky.

Posted by: Ku | Aug 31 2022 12:57 utc | 19

People just do not understand how the war is done. You cannot advance with no infantry. The infantry takes positions. You can shell and shell and shell trenches yet there will still be some people in them and you need infantry to take over the area and clean it up before you can move into it. Russia has an enormous territory they had taken. It only has 130,000 troops to control it and to defend it. So of course they are moving slow.

Posted by: Ku | Aug 31 2022 13:00 utc | 20

A lot of stupid people in the comments again. Biden is an ultra-leftist, etc. etc. Trying to explain to an American that "ultra-leftist" merely refers to "bourgeois liberal" is pointless, since they are echoing in their own parallel universe.

I dislike the conflation of "Nazi" with "fascist" or "chauvinist".

The Azov battalion and other elite units are Neo-Nazis, clearly. But they are rather a minority in the Ukraine.

Their presence relies on the basis of official national Ukrainian chauvinism, common to most CEE countries (the Balts being the most obnoxious examples).

This chauvinism was encouraged by the West to serve as an anti-communist front within and against the Soviet Union. It functions now to keep the untermenschen fighting each other instead of developing class consciousness.

So, to say all the UA army or citizenry are Nazis is simplistic.

There is a mix of fascists, chauvinists, naive patriotic idealists, and the press-ganged.

The real fascists are safely behind the front lines and are not the ones being "ploinked" in the trenches. Tragic state of affairs.

Finally, RIP Mikhail Gorbachev. A telling example of naivety and good intentions meeting sociopathic, implacable opportunists. You cannot let your guard down with capitalists (organised sociopaths) for a second. Something Stalin was aware of.

Posted by: moaobserver | Aug 31 2022 13:01 utc | 21

"The ultra-leftist Biden administration," Hegar? You have got to be joking. There is nothing about his administration that is more than center-left at best.

Posted by: Michael Lubin | Aug 31 2022 13:07 utc | 22

@DaVinci | Aug 31 2022 12:25 utc | 22

Kiev won't surrender. No one will reach them, it's perfectly safe. Or they may run to EU or US and have a fake government in exile with their terrorist bases all over EU, organizing nato-sponsored attacks on whatever remains inside the country. The number of Ukr soldiers alive is not important anymore, the regular war ended at least a month ago. All they do is shoot at civilian targets.
And Pushilin said today for TASS that 300km himars are already in Ukr.
Also on TASS they complain that the food export agreements aren't working. Only Ukr exports work, Russia's not. All restrictions remain. So the dumbo diplomats who signed those agreements are only helping nazis steal more money and EU/Turkey get more food because we already know only one ship went to Africa.

Posted by: rk | Aug 31 2022 13:10 utc | 23

pretzelattack | Aug 31 2022 13:04 utc | 26


Posted by: Ben D | Aug 31 2022 13:15 utc | 24

On the subject of Nazis in the USA, Neocons are in both the D & R Parties and infest the Deep State. Consider how the USA has behaved since the fall of the Soviet Union and Berlin Wall. Yet, after Communism ended in Russia, the USA/NATO continued aggressively expanding and antagonizing Russia who I don't see as a threat. The USA/NATO is the threat.

I'm ashamed. I was a Neocon dupe until I learned they are Nazis.

Posted by: Longtrail | Aug 31 2022 13:18 utc | 25

People on the "right" in America only claim that the opposition is "leftist" because they cannot find any other adjective to describe them. They call ultra, nationalist, economic carnivore Hillary a leftist for "Xts" sake. The opposite applies also to arch Democrats. This is all happens when you get your opinions from such intellectual fountains as Fox News and CNN. Double down stupidity.

Posted by: DaVinci | Aug 31 2022 13:19 utc | 26

it's such folly, the US may never learn. There are no "Leftist" gov't leaders. They are neo-liberal, hawks, far from Liberal. There is no liberal party in the US; Bernie could be called "liberal" The DNC has never been liberal, the Democratic establishment isn't liberal. National healthcare for all is good economics, not socialism; "Socialism" never existed, nor has "capitalism" (nor communism) that is a false dichotomy; every economy in the history of man has been blended; so you're entire worldview is rooted in a false dichotomy that never existed. There are levels of authoritarianism, levels of social support/investment; the two are not related.

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 31 2022 13:20 utc | 27

"Ultra-leftist Biden administration". Parallel universe stuff, like Hilary Clinton being a Communist.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 13:21 utc | 28

@Probuns | Aug 31 2022 13:06 utc | 33

US wants the hole planet to fight Russia and Russia shouldn't buy anything. If they do, it'll be a sign of weakness and collapse and bad Putin hides in his bunker.

Anyway, Zakharova said today that the story was spread by WaPo and that the drone "issue is not on the agenda of today’s talks". Which is sad, they clearly don't have enough drones.

Posted by: rk | Aug 31 2022 13:22 utc | 29

On weapons and using them a retired US General is calling on Ukraine to be allowed to use weapons to strike deep into Russia.

"The U.S. and NATO should provide Kiev with weapons to strike deep into Russia and allow Ukraine to carry out such attacks. Said on the air of "Channel 24" American Brigadier General (retired) Mark Arnold.
He called "a huge strategic mistake" the Demand of the West to Kiev not to use the weapons received from the allies against Moscow."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 31 2022 13:26 utc | 30

29 - Why only 130,000 troops, though? I can understand keeping some things back in case NATO gets frisky, but I have felt for a while that Russia is fighting with one hand tied behind its back while Ukraine and its NATO backers hit with everything they've got. Ukraine is still losing but it is a very slow process.

Either this conflict is existential for Russia, or it isn't.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 13:27 utc | 31

pretzelattack | Aug 31 2022 13:04 utc | 32

It is the leftist modus operendi. As B says, New York Times and other such outlets of mostly 'western' propaganda wish to tell us what to think. Bernd parrots the propaganda because leftists do not trust their own. They cannot be trusted to deviate from their master's script because they do not want thinking allies, only obedient servants. So yes, repeating anti russian NATO propaganda is a clear sign you are dealing with a leftist.

Posted by: Jacques D. | Aug 31 2022 13:27 utc | 32

(Was posted in last thread, but since it was right near the end, i am reposting here as it was worth sharing again with the many who likely missed it)

Scott Ritter's Show

I came across a new series presented by Scott Ritter, in cooperation with Solovyov Live from Russia, aimed at opening up frank dialogue and developing understanding between US and Russia, in a time when those employed to do it are more intent on closing doors and obfuscating things.

Both guests so far are former high ranking military and intelligence officers: - Episode 1 - Episode 2

I watched both and found them very interesting, Scott is a good host and his guests offer valuable insights in their areas of expertise and into the thinking of Russia's ruling class, in the context of their view of history and strategic thinking as they relate to the current situation in Ukraine and beyond.

I encourage MoA readers to add their support to the initiative by contributing more views to the new channel...

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 31 2022 13:28 utc | 33

rk | Aug 31 2022 13:22 utc | 42

I wish my drone was on Zakharova's agenda

Posted by: Probus | Aug 31 2022 13:30 utc | 34

If they haven't already been smuggled to the black market and sold.

"Some rockets for the HIMARS systems having a range of up to 300 kilometers have been delivered to Ukraine already, the leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, said on Wednesday.

"According to our sources, some of such rockets (with a range of up to 300 kilometers) have already been delivered to Ukraine. The allied forces are making attempts to destroy these weapons," he said on Russia’s TV Channel One."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 31 2022 13:31 utc | 35

pretzelattack | Aug 31 2022 13:20 utc | 40, 50

The leftist is awake this morning! Up is down and down is up and the New York Times is not leftist. LOL

Posted by: Ben D | Aug 31 2022 13:33 utc | 36

Posted by: Hegar | Aug 31 2022 11:24 utc | 16

Prove that those 1,700 were "nazis". No? You can't?

NATO had eight years to turn everyone in Ukraine under 20 into a Nazi. A Chechen commander explains how. (Video with English subtitles.)
Aliénor d’Aubigné 🇷🇸🇷🇺🇫🇷 @AlienorAubigne on Twitter, August 31, 2022

Daniil Martynov commander of the Chechen divisions, claims that there are large amounts of drugs and NATO equipment at each captured checkpoint 🇺🇦 and comments on the brainwashing of Ukrainian nationalists by the Kyiv regime.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 31 2022 13:34 utc | 37


Yes, he does not make much sense

Posted by: Jacques D. | Aug 31 2022 13:36 utc | 38

@Probuns | Aug 31 2022 13:06 utc | 33

A sufficient squadron of drones will be able to overwhelm the hidden targeting radars of Ukraine's surface to air missiles. Those targeting radars are only illuminated after a target has been identified by a US spyplane flying outside Ukraine's airspace.

Nullifying the US's extra-territorial radars would enable Russia to safely bomb Ukraine from altitude with larger and cheaper munitions than rockets.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 31 2022 13:41 utc | 39

Breaking news on German TV
EU has decided to completely suspend ALL visas for Russians, despite opposition from France and Germany

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 13:44 utc | 40

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 31 2022 13:31 utc | 51

And there you go. I knew this would happen eventually. Ukies and westoids don't even consider Crimea as part of Russia, which means they can strike there if they want. What a disaster.

Posted by: Midville | Aug 31 2022 13:45 utc | 41

Ya, time to stop with the "left/right" label gibberish, they are Weapons of Mass Distraction attempting to provide cover to justify the various forms/vectors of Totalitarianism on offer from the 0.001% banksters.

"All wars are bankers wars" "War is a racket" Smedley Butler

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 13:48 utc | 42

@Petri Krohn | Aug 31 2022 13:34 utc | 53

An inevitable surge of designer amphetamines is sure to spread from Ukraine.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 31 2022 13:50 utc | 43


Don’t waste your energy on these right-left divisive posters. “Left” and “right” are just labels like, say, “conspiracy theorist”.

These types of labels are used to stifle open debate and honest enquiry.

Posted by: echelon | Aug 31 2022 13:56 utc | 44

@ 60

Go back to HuffPo. This thread is about weapons in Ukraine.

Posted by: Jimmy | Aug 31 2022 13:57 utc | 45

Pretty soon like in the next 6-12 months, what is going to vanish is the Ukraine state as it is known today.

Ukraine will be parceled off to Russia and its neighbors.

Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 31 2022 14:06 utc | 46

Jimmy | Aug 31 2022 13:57 utc | 63

Seriously. I wish B would start deleting these election trolls. I know they'll be gone in November but still.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 31 2022 14:07 utc | 47

Getting back to vanishing weapons.

A reason for the relative slowness and lack of infantry to cover the entire front from the Russian side is likely to be - to some degree - "vanishing contract soldiers".

In some of the more corrupt units there are credible stories of commanders falsely reporting the number of soldiers actually enlisting and being trained properly in their units.

Thus, when units came to be sent to Ukraine, some units were 30-50% under their paper strength. Which must have come as an unpleasant surprise for the Stavka.

Similarly, (expensive) training was not done as it costs money to do so, money which can be pocketed by corrupt command staff instead.

Thus when units came to be sent into Ukraine, units were not trained to the expected standards.

No doubt the RF is slowly solving this issue, but it takes a lot of time to properly train the equivalent of 30 "missing" BTGs.

Another example of corruption flourishing under a capitalist regime, despite attempts to counter it. This is the obvious weakness of "Putinism", and a big reason the West is still convinced they will win, somehow.

Russians needs to wake up and take inspiration from the Communist Party of the most advanced state on the planet - China.

Posted by: moaobserver | Aug 31 2022 14:11 utc | 48

Ex US National Security Council official confirms citing "multiple former senior U.S. officials" that Russia & Ukraine agreed in April on peace deal framework of #Russia withdrawing to pre-war positions & #Ukraine promising not to seek #NATO membership. Deal was stopped by UK PM.

Ivan Katchanovski

Posted by: Sam S | Aug 31 2022 14:11 utc | 49

Either this conflict is existential for Russia, or it isn't.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 13:27 utc | 45

The conflict is existential but the main problem involves preventing the hegemon from suppressing growth of non-hegemon nations so to win this conflict they must change the hegemon's views and policies. For the latter to occur meaningfully there has to be more than mere foreign policy shifts but actual domestic policy change. The entire polity needs to drop the hegemonic outlook and praxis which means kicking out the political and other oligarchic networks which have parasitically infected the body politic.

Ukraine is not about Ukraine. It took years to get ready for this open conflict. Ending it quickly by ending the kinetics in Ukraine would waste all that investment of treasure, time and now blood. The longer this goes on the more certain is an internal collapse of the West leading to truly substantive regime change.

If the West can effect sane positive reforms great. If not they will be isolated and made poor so as to offer no more threat to the rest of the world with 99% of the population in virtual techno-fascist thralldom.

RF and her allies have no reason whatsoever to hurry this up or risk any more lives than necessary. A very Special Military Operation indeed...

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 31 2022 14:14 utc | 50

Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 13:48 utc | 59

On our side they are bankers war. On the other side they are defensive wars. Thinking about it, nazi Germany where no different to the ISIS caliphate. Proxie suckers that were exterminated fight for western interests.

Many Ukrainians, no different than the norms of humanity have been drawn into dying for the western empire.
Ukraine drafted a law to conscript females beginning start of August. That does not seem to be occurring. So long as Ukraine does not start press ganging females as cannon fodder, there will be a surplus ofd mail order brides.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 31 2022 14:18 utc | 51

Sorry for going off-topic here ..but I have just read an important article by Gilbert Doctorow

about the orchestrated Russophobia and massive discrimination and vilification with regard to Russian minorities especially in the Baltic States, Poland and - of course - Ukraine.

But there is one bit of "news" in this article which I found shocking (if not really surprising):

The overriding point was that the Russophobia and ‘cancel Russian culture’ movements that have swept Europe during 2022 mean that Russians are the Jews of today. They are what the Hitlerites called Untermenschen, against whom all manner of rights violations if not outright murder can be practiced. This arises in its worst form in Ukraine, where Russians as a people are systematically dehumanized in statements from the top leadership of the country. In Ukraine, the ultra-nationalists call Russians “Colorado,” a reference to the bugs that infest potato crops. These insects carry the orange and black colors of the St George’s ribbons that patriotic Russians wear. This is the same logic that made possible the biological weapons attack on Russian soldiers in the Zaporozhie that was carried out last week by Ukrainian forces, sending the victims to intensive care treatment for BOTULISM POISONING. That development probably did not get coverage in your daily newspaper.

Does anybody in this (usually well-informed) forum know anything about this alleged atrocity?

Posted by: Anna Karenina | Aug 31 2022 14:20 utc | 52

Price kwh electricity means at Eeon for private households new customers (after moving etc.) 1.26 € which corresponds to a monthly flat rate single household of 264.00 €!
Example my pension after 49 years of work = 876 €
Rent for 38 m2 apartment €330 cold + €170.00 additional costs + currently €75.00 energy which is not included in additional costs!
That leaves around €300.00 for groceries / internet / petrol...
I just wanted to show that as an example so you can get an idea of how cold winter gets!
Annotation :
From today on, the petrol discount and public transport will no longer be available!
Ergo we are in September with about 10% inflation in Germany which should actually be 14%
A pensioner from Germany!

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 14:23 utc | 53

"Ya, time to stop with the "left/right" label gibberish... "

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 13:48 utc | 59

Exactly. No longer meaningful terms because they mean too many different things. There are many other similar terms which are functionally outdated like:
Fascism, liberal, democracy, Nazi, feminism, conservative, monarchy, capitalist, communist and so on. They all mean too many different things to too many different people and thus can rightly now be called gibberish.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 31 2022 14:23 utc | 54

For Ukrainians, like in the collective West, this is a decisive moment. If thaynlose, the Ukrainian identity is gone forever. This is a reason they fight so brave against Russians and therefore 1700 or 170000 dead, that is not important for Ukrainian high comand and even for the families of the dead.

Posted by: mario2 | Aug 31 2022 14:24 utc | 55

"And if it is indeed true. It certainly doesn't reflect well on the Russian side who claim that the reason for their molasses like advance is due to Russia being at war not against Ukraine alone but also NATO.

Is 30% of the fairly small NATO aid given to Ukraine really enough to give Russians a good fight? What would happen if Russia actually fought NATO then?

Posted by: Bernd | Aug 31 2022 10:11 utc | 1"

The reason for the slow rate of advance is not because the weapons that Ukraine has, it is because the Ukrainians are dug in. They have heavily fortified dug outs and trenches and are also using civilians as cover. The Russians can't just blow the Ukrainians away if the civilian casualty rate would be enormous.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 31 2022 14:27 utc | 56

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 31 2022 13:34 utc | 53

> NATO had eight years to turn everyone in Ukraine under 20 into a Nazi. A Chechen commander explains how. (Video with English subtitles.)

That narrows down the work for FSB once country is taken.

Posted by: Abe | Aug 31 2022 14:39 utc | 57

@ Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 13:44 utc | 56

"Breaking news on German TV
EU has decided to completely suspend ALL visas for Russians, despite opposition from France and Germany"


A treaty between EU and Russia was cancelled, not the actual issuance of any visas.

It means presumably that Russians (and shortly Europeans from EU?) will most likely be met with possible restrictions or delays, more complicated applications and longer approval times, when seeking to visit each other's respective countries.

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 31 2022 14:46 utc | 58

Gepostet von: Et Tu | 31. August 2022 14:46 UTC | 79
Might be ?
However, the message on NTV and Welt was different, and is still running on NTV at the moment in the scrolling headlines!
EU completely bans visas for Russians!

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 14:54 utc | 59

mon3 | Aug 31 2022 14:54 utc | 80

this is why it is called fake news

Posted by: maerv | Aug 31 2022 14:56 utc | 60

The point of this war for NATO-aligned Europe and the US has been to destroy old military equipment and generate an excuse for its replacement by much more expensive weapon systems. The Eastern European countries which gave their old Soviet equipment to Ukraine to be blown up by Russian artillery will have some billions of dollars to spend annually on re-armament, money which will flow to American war contractors. I have no doubt that American war profiteers are instrumental in lobbying for continued NATO involvement in this conflict.

@ Posted by: dask | Aug 31 2022 10:42 utc | 6

The real heroes in this war are the civilians on both sides who resist conscription and refuse to die for a nationalist cause. To paraphrase Ernst Junger, life is too short and too beautiful to throw away for an idea.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 31 2022 14:58 utc | 61

Posted by: dask | Aug 31 2022 10:42 utc | 6

This is accurate. The US taxpayer has bourne this burden alone for too long. It is now time for the EU taxpayer to contribute instead of wasting money on social programs.

Posted by: Deng | Aug 31 2022 15:04 utc | 62

American war movies have changed over the decades.

Back when their audience was full of people who had fought in WW2, the 'typical' American war movie included someone in the unit who was a 'scrounger' or 'wheeler-dealer' for supplies. Radar O'Reilly from MASH might be the most famous, with his network of other sergeants and corporals whom he stayed in touch with either finding what his unit needed or trading away what other units needed.

Now that the Pentagon has script approval, you don't see this any more. But, since I grew up with those movies, back in the days when the definition of a 'Good Nazi' was one who was now with Satan, I don't find it as particularly unusual to learn that the Ukrainian military has the same sort of people. After all, the US Army in WW2 was the best supplied army in history (to that point) with a huge logistical 'tail' behind the fighting troops. And if in such a situation, it still required an internal, military black market to get units what they needed, then I'm not really surprised that Ukraine has a similar situation.

Besides, we are talking about a capitalist country here, and its hard to imagine capitalism without a black market. Its built into the ethics of the culture of any capitalist system.

Posted by: Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:06 utc | 63

82 - I had the impression Jünger somewhat glorified war. His approach is quite different from Erich Maria Remarque, whose most famous book All Quiet On The Western Front is certainly anti-war.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 15:11 utc | 64

Journal-NEO: What is the real objective of the US offence policy in Europe?

"The CIA/NED/Deep State has only one aim – to control Russia, so that it can control China. In spite of the plans in place, the degree to which US companies will profit from Ukraine is yet to be seen..."

"Moreover, many of the CIA-funded “volunteers,” – including anti-Russian Chechens, some of whom happen to be Georgian citizens, will suddenly be looking for a new cause, as were the moderate rebels from Syria. It is a given that the US and NATO need a base of operations close to Russia, and Ukraine is losing that function..."

"It does not take a PhD to connect the dots and see what is going on. Georgia is under now greater threat from the criminals in Ukraine than anything claimed to be coming from itsnorthern neighbour..."

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2022 15:18 utc | 65

84 - There was a two-volume graphic novel about war, with stories mostly set in WW2 but one was set in the Spanish Civil War. Garth Ennis was the author or compiler. In one story set towards the end of WW2 a US paratroop sergeant is about to be sent on a reconnaissance mission in Germany. He goes to the quartermaster sergeant to pick up ammunition. He wants .45 ammo for his own Thompson gun but the officers use it up taking potshots at bottles. The quartermaster sergeant hints that the paratroop sergeant takes the war too seriously and if he wants ammunition he is open to bribery. The other one, disgusted, punches him in the belly and walks off.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 15:19 utc | 66

"Fascism, liberal, democracy, Nazi, feminism, conservative, monarchy, capitalist, communist and so on. They all mean too many different things to too many different people and thus can rightly now be called gibberish."

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 31 2022 14:23 utc | 73
Modern American politics aggressively renames all such terms. A part of that is the loud redefinitions of opponents. Every candidate spends a lot of time shouting out definitions of an opponent. But it is also true in politicians who claim a label because the label will attract votes, even though their positions and actions are the opposite of that label.

Since I come from the left, I am most familiar with the degradation of the terms 'liberal' and 'progressive'. Both of which have moved far, far to the right of their earlier definitions. If you compare a 1960's 'liberal' to a Hillary Clinton 'liberal', they have nothing in common. For just one example, a 1960's liberal was anti-war, while the Liberal Hillary has never met a war she didn't like, always gives throws more money at the military to solve problems the military has created, and today obviously favors World War III and seems a bit depressed over the fact that she won't be the one to press the button. I still think former Rep Ron Paul had the best description of Hillary as "Lindsay Graham with a skirt". A different galaxy from a 1960's liberal.

The term 'progressive' has done the same, with it now meaning a center-right Bernie Sanders who as Chair of the Senate Budget Committee has a policy of $Trillions for corporations, $Billions for war and Ukraine corruption, with very little money going to help the American people. Compare that version of Progressive to say the late Sen Paul Wellstone, and the huge differences are obvious. The modern Progressives try to hide this by making loud statements at press conferences that deny this policy, and by a reactionary, right-wing Identity Politics movement where they can claim 'history' every time they appoint a right-wing official of a different gender or skin color.

And of course, we get the guy who was once named "The Senator from MasterCard", and who could well now be called "The President from MasterCard", being called a 'socialist'. It should be obvious to anyone that a politician who has been the tool of the bankers for his entire lifetime will never be a 'socialist'. Bankers and socialists are opposites, and any claim that one person is a part of both sets is obvious nonsense. Unless of course 'socialist' has been redefined as someone who is the tool of Wall Street and corporations. Consider that nationalizing the corrupt Wall Street banks would be platform item number one for any real socialist, and it becomes obvious that Biden, Sanders, AOC are probably closer to Reagan than to real socialists.

So, yeah, as a leftist with gray hair, I can fully agree that such terms become meaningless. But that this is not accidental as an apparently 'natural' part of an American political system that has largely stopped debating policies and programs but now focuses on name-calling and labels.

Posted by: Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:24 utc | 67

Waldorf | Aug 31 2022 15:11 utc | 85

"I had the impression Jünger somewhat glorified war."

Junger lived to be 100 and went through several literary stages, so no doubt one can cherry-pick any kind of quote one wants. But yes he's by far best-known for pro-war books like Storm of Steel.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Aug 31 2022 15:25 utc | 68

B is German and so seems to play up the threat from the far right in Europe (To the extent that far right ultra-nationalists can even work together to form a threat) but the reality is these weapons will be bought up by those who already have customers for it, it'll be sent to the Balkans where it'll also be easier to hide. It's likely to be bought by the same customers who are already buying, namely those with connections to the Albanian diaspora for the most part.

It's far more likely these weapons will fall into the hands of Islamist groups like how the Bataclan massacre was carried out by weapons bought from the Balkans and easily transported due to the expansion of the Schengen area back to Molenbeek in Brussels.

Otherwise some of the more crazed Albanian diaspora gangsters might buy some of the anti-tank weapons to shoot up a target's car.

But these weapons could easily be used to carry out assassinations of heads of states on planes from well within any security perimeter of an airport.

Posted by: Altai | Aug 31 2022 15:33 utc | 69

Posted by: Altai | Aug 31 2022 15:33 utc | 90

Earlier this year, there were reports in Swedish media from their police that anti tank weapons were somehow starting to pile up to Swedish, and probably Danish immigrant gangs. My guess is the weapons are leaking from Ukraine-Albania into far away places like Sweden. They all have good connections.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2022 15:39 utc | 70

Moa @ 30

"Press-ganged". Great term. Double-entendred, as I like it. Gonna use it myself as it goes so well with one I've been using for months while still a regular at Unz: So here's the double-dip: "Press-ganged media-mesmerized morons". Wraps them up in the proverbial nutshell, I think.

In the realm of informational warfare the use of a combination of humor and semantics may not be as powerful as the Bernays/Goebbels/Hollywood "repeat the big lie over and over and everywhere besides" strategy; but I do believe it registers in the subconscious, particularly if readers encounter the combo on a fairly regular basis.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 31 2022 15:49 utc | 71

If you compare a 1960's 'liberal' ...
@Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:24 utc | 88


Some of us must have lived through a different '60s.

Phil Ochs - Love Me I'm A Liberal ==>

Posted by: too scents | Aug 31 2022 15:52 utc | 72

Posted by: Ivan S | Aug 31 2022 14:31 utc | 76

"You may be correct but one of the side effects of an extended recession or actual depression is a sharp contraction or even collapse of the energy markets. That effects commodoties producers like Russia disproportionately and appears to be the strategy the United States is pursuing."

Good point and thanks for your reply. I respectfully - and for fun of course - beg to differ!

First one possibility is that this is a globally coordinated collapse with an appearance of being a titanic struggle. This is an unpopular view because it offends many who have invested in different narratives featuring their pet Good and Bad guys. But there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence, not to mention various public pronouncements and position papers from NGO's like WEF etc. to support its at least being considered seriously. (I suspect that along with elements coordinating internationally there are other agendas also in the mix.)

Second, China has been stockpiling huge food reserves for a couple of years now (sorry, cannot recall source) and has now perfected mass lock downs which might prove very helpful in time of war, especially one featuring widespread use of bioweapons. Further, in terms of food and energy Russia is the wealthiest per capita in the world meaning they will suffer far less than most in a world wide depression viz basic survival things such as food, housing and energy. And since they are now patriating that part of their manufacturing sector previously beholden to importing from abroads they might even have modest growth during any such slow down but if not at least far less decline. Witness that recent meeting with Putin and their expected growth of the airline manufacturing industry mainly from domestic demand caused by boycott of foreign made planes in their jurisdiction.

More importantly perhaps, both Russia and China now enjoy unusually strong polities right now with leadership and citizenry on the same page, mutually loyal, mutually proud sharing a positive vision of the future which they all have been witnessing unfold year after year with no end in sight. This makes them strong.

By contrast most Western nations are far more beholden to other countries for basics like food and energy which supplies are already under stress moreover compounded by mysterious fires in oil, gas and food processing facilities. Furthermore, most of their nations are experiencing confusion, hostility and decline with survey after survey of late showing majorities expecting their children and grandchildren to have lesser quality of life with fewer opportunities. This makes them weak.

So if this is a war of attrition, it seems the only big card the West has to play is MAD. If the Russians have an answer to that, which they say they do but one never knows, all the West has is a busted flush. And fairly soon their domestic populations may rise up to rattle them more than they are used to (which some believe the elites are actually working to incite - but that's another twist). Most likely Germany will be the first to offer resistance to their truly ghastly leadership none of whose decisions benefit the people they are ostensibly there to serve and protect.

Meanwhile, the current cabal running the US seems hell-bent on inciting mass resistance in response to which the Jan 6th arrests will seem like a playful training exercise. The military has been purged of conservative-friendly troops, the DOJ is weaponized, the Congress is no more than an impotent gabfest, and the Executive is a front for an Administrative State beholden to no elected representatives; so if 'they' want to engender riots and mass arrests it is going to be very hard to stop them, especially if the November elections are even more obviously jiggered than the 2020 ones. So America is looking super-vulnerable right now because it is already far more volatile and fractured than most European populations.

In any case, it's going to be one helluva winter...

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 31 2022 15:57 utc | 73

Russia withdrawing to pre-war positions & Ukraine promising not to seek NATO membership. Deal was stopped by UK PM.
Posted by: Sam S | Aug 31 2022 14:11 utc | 68

Hard to believe that Russia would go home based on some agreement that Ukr won't join nato, that could be broken at any moment in the future. UK was building bases there, many thousands of foreign "advisers", lots of weapons, biolabs. And no solution for Donbass attacks?
This is ultra fake news.

Posted by: rk | Aug 31 2022 15:58 utc | 74

"They should assign a general to see if 30% of the truth makes it into the New York Times.

Posted by: Gerald | Aug 31 2022 10:13 utc | 2"

Laugh to start the day! Thanks, Gerald.

Posted by: lindaj | Aug 31 2022 15:58 utc | 75

@Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:24 utc | 88

A confusing blend of obsolete political memes indeed!

The political class in the 'west', especially the USA stands for nothing except the self-interest of its members and their money men masters.

Political discourse is therefore functionally irrelevant. What passes for politics is industrial scale gas-lighting and choreographed obfuscation.

I see no remedy for this hopeless state of affairs. The political class is a members club so anyone that's already in it is compromised and anyone that is not compromised cannot join (no matter how rich or influential he/she may be).

The western political 'sphere' has been hollowed out of any real politics and what remains of Left-Right political posturing is nothing but the garbled echo of a past that no longer exists.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Aug 31 2022 16:00 utc | 76

On our side they are bankers war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 31 2022 14:18 utc

The only reason this particular "operation" is not a typical banker's war is because Russia and China booted the Rothschild/Blackrock-class out of their financial systems.

The list of countries that pried off the central banking/financial death-grip of the Rothschild/Blackrock-class is the same ones suffering endless sanctions and proxy wars. No wonder Russia and China are having little trouble signing up takers for the Belt-and-Road etc. business alliances.

WW2 was the last full-on "let's you and him fight" deftly orchestrated by the banksters Smedley Butler wrote so eloquently about.

If there is a WW3, I think we can be assured the Rothschild/Blackrock-class will be decimated in their beds worldwide. In the past, both sides thought (or at least propagandized) that, like "god", the banksters were "on their side". When the US-aristocrat names Bush, Kennedy, Rockefeller are shown to have been supporting the Hitler nazis as well, the spell is soon broken. They and the now preeminent Rothschild/Blackrock-class can't lurk in the shadows. They made the hubristic mistake of thinking their death-cult wrapped in slick WEF marketing would provide enough cover that the masses wouldn't figure out the eugenics game.

And sending virtually unarmed soldiers to the Russian front is genocide by any measure. It was in Napoleon' time, in both WWs as it is now.

We truly need a Nuremberg 2. Maybe this time the job gets done properly. hang the Rothschild/Blackrock-class bankers too.

Hoping Ukraine is the last time these parasites infest our world. For our children and grandchildren.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 16:02 utc | 77

scottindallas @39

Good take on the far as you take it. Both the DNC (not actually liberal) and the RNC (not truly conservative) are a part of the great old shell-game. They are effectually two peas in a pod. They represent a close analog to the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. It's all top-down and a significant element in the divide and conquer strategy which has worked so well agasint the better interests of a deliberately dumbed-down and a deeply divided populace.

Those central committees take their cues from major minions of the ruling financial elite. Have you a look at the ass-end of the "Federal" Reserve $1 note. Scan that pyramid and the all-seeing eye of Horus topping the works. At the top of the socio-political-economic pyramid with its 32 levels are the primary minions for the bosses. Those at the "zugspitze" (pinnacle) pass those orders along to those one step below them...and downward and downward.

The scheme is Egyptian and Babylonian. It's all about management policies by the Bank$ter owners. The DNC and RNC are fairly close to the upper rungs, but they take their orders and pass them on down. Now you have a précis on how the rulership control system operates.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 31 2022 16:03 utc | 78

thanks b, for doing the work and digging down into the details...

@ Anna Karenina | Aug 31 2022 14:20 utc | 71

that was in all the news a week or so back, but i haven't heard anything since..

Gerald | Aug 31 2022 10:13 utc | 2 - quote - great idea btw! i suppose the general assigned is, lol....

"They should assign a general to see if 30% of the truth makes it into the New York Times."

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2022 16:03 utc | 79

"So, yeah, as a leftist with gray hair, I can fully agree that such terms become meaningless. But that this is not accidental as an apparently 'natural' part of an American political system that has largely stopped debating policies and programs but now focuses on name-calling and labels."

Posted by: Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:24 utc | 88

Thank you for your post. It's a mess on the word salad level because it's a mess in the nation-state kitchen. But as a 'leftist with grey hair' I would be grateful if, in a paragraph or two, you could share what your ideal polity look like from top to bottom? This is not a trick question or anything, I am truly curious. I would also love to know what a 'conservative' American envisages (though I suspect there are many divisions there including pro-MIC and anti-MIC etc. - just as with 'the left' no doubt) because I really don't know any more. I get that people are shouting at each other, but have no idea what they are shouting about, what they are actually for and against, what they want to see happen.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 31 2022 16:05 utc | 80

...Weapons of Mass Distraction...

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 13:48 utc | 59

I don't know whether you coined that phrase, but I really like it.

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 31 2022 16:08 utc | 81


Precisely correct about the left-right, divide and conquer paradigm. People who feel they must be on one "side" or the other simply are incapable of thinking with both hemispheres of their brains. They are caught up in a type of dyslexia where everything must become polarized in order to meet their levels of comprehension.

Thanks for providing a bit of assistance for those who are desperately in need of being able to comprehend the entire forest and not getting caught up in identification of the species of particular trees.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 31 2022 16:10 utc | 82

Capturing Russian Weapons? That's impossible. Haven't we been told over and over again that Russian soldiers are forced to share broken AK-47s? There are no Russian weapons to take :-)

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Aug 31 2022 16:16 utc | 83

...Weapons of Mass Distraction...
Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 13:48 utc | 59

I don't know whether you coined that phrase, but I really like it.

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 31 2022 16:08 utc

Thanks, but the best I can claim is coincidental inspiration. It occurred to me when George W Stupid was lying about the WMDs in Iraq. I'm probably not the first to notice the irony.

There is an obscure 1997 movie with that title, not sure on the content of that.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 31 2022 16:17 utc | 84

"on ne fait pas tourner une machine à laver à 18 heures en plein hiver"

"you don't run a washing machine at 6 p.m. in the middle of winter"


Pauvre France...

Posted by: fabrice | Aug 31 2022 16:21 utc | 85

Some people ask why I read the New York Times and other such outlets of mostly 'western' propaganda. One obvious reason is to "know your enemy", to find out what the propaganda wants us to think.

I've been reading my enemy for 40 years. I know what they think. I don't need to waste any more time on them in any way, other than to get rid of a whole bunch of them when the time comes in the US. Which I hope is soon.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Aug 31 2022 16:22 utc | 86

Following up the development direction Kherson on Rybar. how on earth up to 100 ukro infantrymen with 6 tanks managed to breakthrough in the area of Kiselevka and expanded the zone of control at Sukhoi Stavka and, after occupying Kostromka, later reached the south-western edge of the village of Bruskinskoye, which supplies the group at Davydov Brod.
russian sources reporting of more then 2000 ukronazis destroyed tanks blablabla....Does anybody knows links where we can see the ukronazis causalties?

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 31 2022 16:23 utc | 87

I still beleive that the heavy weapons are going to the frontline NATO countries while they push their old Soviet gear out to the Ukraine. Small arms and some artillary systems make it in to some degree.

Europe better watch out this winter. Long power blackouts and small arms smuggeled in is paradise for criminal gangs. I see ATGM's being used to open banks at night and used to counter the police.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 31 2022 16:23 utc | 88

echelon @ 62

Thanks for your input, a common-sense approach: This "right-left" bullshit is exactly what is keeping the human liberation movement from really taking off. So long as those who are incapable of self-criticism to the point of questioning their own habitual, patterned belief-systems; do not take a deep breath and open their minds to true consciousness; they are, as Eldredge Cleaver pointed out in "Soul on Ice"..."If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem"

A great American independent thinker clear back in the 1840's noted that there is no sense hacking away at the branches of a problem when you need to grub out the roots. -Henry David Thoreau.

Insightful and informed individuals do not need to waste their time contending with others who simply remain stuck in those memes of divisiveness which, likely at a relatively tender age they happened to swallow, hook, line and stinker.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 31 2022 16:25 utc | 89

OSINT group Rybar is reporting a significant breakthrough:

I'm skeptical, but Rybar is very pro-RU so worth keeping an eye on. You can see how a development like this creates risks for both sides: to Russia, the risk of envelopment and to Ukraine, the risk that the deep & narrow salient gets cut off.

I found this to be quite a sleazy comment from @Peter AU1:

So long as Ukraine does not start press ganging females as cannon fodder, there will be a surplus ofd mail order brides.

Sadly, it's perfectly in character for Australia's dumbest bogan.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 31 2022 16:25 utc | 90

... left verses right?
Posted by: james | Aug 31 2022 16:18 utc | 106


Learn these terms to stay relevant: 白左 and 右派 .

Posted by: too scents | Aug 31 2022 16:28 utc | 91

That weapons and money going to the Ukraine are going to disappear is a given considering the corruption of that place. What I am interested in is what ever happened to all that money that Trump took (mostlly from the U.S. military) to build that "wall" on the border between the U.S. and Mexico. The money is gone, but the wall is not there. Maybe some savy journalist can shed some light on that........

Posted by: Robert Shule | Aug 31 2022 16:30 utc | 92

Posted by: Sonar O'Saliegh | Aug 31 2022 15:24 utc | 88

Haleluja! Thank you O’Saliegh for some sanity and reason. Missed very much in modern (progressive, heh) times where fefees are the alpha and omega of any interaction.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 31 2022 16:32 utc | 93

German companies related to production and electricity usage shutting down. EU industrial base adapting to the "new normal".

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2022 16:34 utc | 94

Posted by: Ku | Aug 31 2022 12:57 utc | 21

The early parts of your post are exactly what Scott Ritter was saying at the beginning of a long discussion hosted, I believe, by a German blogger some days back. (The other commenter was the host of Duran, Alexander Mercouris?)

My morning thought is that the main goal presently for Russia might seem to be depleting the weapons supply of the US, given that the one main avenue for profit other than finance here is weapons sales. So, those are the two areas Russia is actually targeting. And that effectively.

If any such are still getting through, it would be better for the Ukrainians to simply drive them to the front line, park them, and scuttle off. This war will be over sooner if they do.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 31 2022 16:43 utc | 95

sonar @ 82

Identities are altered over time and terminologies are altered to protect the insolent. It's all about information warfare and for those "in the know" about maintaining "on message". Today's pro$titicians are all owned (with the possible exception of Sen. Rand Paul and a very few others) and like NasCar drivers, should be obliged to wear the logos of corporate sponsors on their three-piece suits.

Everything is top-down now in the Di$trict of Corruption. It's all run by bribery and blackmail (consider McConnell and Graham). The duopoly parties are nothing more than a shall-game and a shell of their former identities. In my home state of Minnesota, the ruling party long was known as the "Democratic Farmer-Labor Party" and once even grudgingly supported the truly liberal (in the original sense) Paul Wellstone. Nowadays it is better described as the Democrat Former Labor Party. Capisce?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 31 2022 16:43 utc | 96

mon3 | Aug 31 2022 14:23 utc | 66

It's absolutely stunning. I had no idea it is THAT bad. I still enjoy Preisbindung until autumn next year, wonder what the rate will be like a year from now! 1.26, it's a fantastic number.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 31 2022 16:45 utc | 97

I will simply add my thanks to b for analyzing the NYT article. You need not apologize for reading the NYT. You do it so we don't have to, and as you say, nuggets are buried deep but they are there for those who dig. They are needing to cover the bases, even if they do so in a shady manner.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 31 2022 16:46 utc | 98

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 31 2022 16:25 utc | 94
What I see is the Perfect Trap, the Perfect Cauldron.
Lure a lot in there close the end!

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 16:47 utc | 99

That's what I meant by trap

Posted by: mon3 | Aug 31 2022 16:49 utc | 100

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